I've had a 2.0T and a 3.6 and for me it's virtually a toss up as both are great engines. However, I think if I personally had to choose between those 2, I narrowly prefer the 3.6 for 2 reasons. First, I always felt obligated to run 93 octane gas in my 2.0T. I know the manual says you can run 87, but I've seen many say the longevity and performance of a turbo engine will be improved running higher octane gas so that's the way I leaned with it. However, I have no problem running 87 octane in the 3.6 so it saves me a few bucks on gas. Secondly, the 3.6 to me just sounds better. When I was driving my turbo, at times almost sounded like a high powered golf cart or something lol. But when I drive the 3.6, it just sounds like I'd expect an engine to sound. Either way though, no sure you can go too wrong with either one.
I was in your shoes. My 2021 JLU with Ecodiesel spent 6 months out of two years at the dealership. Constant issues with the engine and constant lack of parts to fix. Selling it back to the dealership as a lemon in a week. Next time I'll buy only 3.6 V6. It's much more common, so parts should not be such a problem.
I went with the 4xe. As much torque as the 392, but can still manage 20+mpg on gas. I can commute to work and back home in pure EV mode. Instant cabin heat in winter with no wait for a engine to warmup.
We have had a 2.0 Turbo for 2.5 years and it has been great. Very reliable and we have done a decent amount of towing. I'm thinking my next will be a diesel though due to the range and amount of towing we do.
Ive owned 3.6, 3.0 ecoD, and have experience with the 2.0, currently own the 392. The ecodiesel is the most unreliable. Great sound, torque and mpg. When they break no one knows how to work on it and the emission add ons add complexity and unreliability, and Im sure will affect resale long term. A lot of them leak oil. The 3.6 and 6.4 have been around the longest and are low stress and simple engines. Great video love your channel and content.
I've always said, the diesel emission standards killed the diesel engine. I get that they might be necessary... but long gone are the days of tractor reliability out of a diesel engine.
@@skystunner7207check out the JLWranglerForums, there are tons of threads on the topic. So much so that it's like beating a dead horse at this point. I personally went with the 3.6, but there are many considerations to make when choosing. Edit: you can also factory order for a pretty substantial discount
4xe is awesome. I've gone 1400 miles without using any gas. The 28 mile range is great, it costs $1.50 in electricity to that 28 miles vs 1.5 gallons of 93 octane at $4/gallon.
'22 4xe Rubicon here in Canada. Bought it brand new and drove it more than 40,000 kms. With my lifestyle - its a daily driver, I get ~4.5l/100 kms or ~52 mpg. I have raced it, towed RVs with it, camping, trails, off-roading etc - this thing is rock solid. Never disappoints and is incredibly fun to drive. It's quick, reliable, capable, and efficient. 4xe all the way! Downside? Lookup the latest recall about potential batteries catching on fire :( It's unlikely but there's a chance. Hopefully Stellantis fixes it soon and offers compensation for screwing up so bad.
As the proud owner of the EcoDiesel, I see a lot of long term viability with the engine. Yes, there are manufacturing flaws that can lead to an early demise in some circumstances, largely in part due to the obnoxious emissions systems that literally choke it to death. But, as soon as Chrysler stops warrantying engines and people turn to the aftermarket for rebuild kits and reman engines, there will be solutions to the flaws and the rebuilt engines will be everything we expect from a Diesel engine! In the forums and Facebook groups there are already companies sourcing bearings and parts for bullet proof rebuilds. Scat is already working on a new crankshaft and connecting rods. I always said, as soon as the Jeep community gets the EcoDiesel, we will see a surge in aftermarket support for the 630T VM Motori 3.0L Diesel. But I love this truck! I love the way I can just lean in maybe just a tad beyond 1/4 throttle and it just pulls! Especially at highway speeds, this thing has all the torque and power for passing, something always left to be desired for Jeeps in my 20 years owning Jeeps. And to get upwards of 30 mpg, it’s incredible! I would let FCA replace this engine 3 times before I lived with the daily disappointment and poor performance of the 3.6L V6 gas engine.
Yep, every vehicle has issues if you don't take care of then..... except toyota, bullet proof. Love the eco diesel over the 6 and 4 turbo..... I've had all three. The 6 had Cracked head and had to be warrantees. No issues yet with diesel and great torque.
The diesel added with the Banks I dash and pedal monster is pretty neat. Keep up the expensive maintenance though. Just wish I can remove the EGR. It’s killing the engine. It’s like a Olympic sprinter smoking a big cigar while running.
@@RichieWo1f1999 Banks products definitely make a performance difference but at what cost? Banks is merely fooling factory signals from sensors to the engine computer. A friend used to have a 5.9 Cummins 3rd Gen Ram 2500 with a Banks kit. Worked great until the injectors fried from being pushed beyond their duty cycle. The safest way to improve performance is a true computer tune flashed directly to the engine computer. SOME tuners can shut the EGR off entirely, however this is illegal in the United States due to EPA regulations and violation can result in hefty fines and other unreasonable consequences, but this is the country we live in, proceed at your own risk if you choose to. But, those that do safe tuning of the EcoDiesel and can offer changes that improve the life of the engine (EGR off), can be found in the country to our North. I would say more but the government stooges monitor the internet.
Just purchased a '23 Rubicon with the 3.6, E tourque. The best improvement is the simplicity if you have to ever jump start it. Even with the dual battery system you can jump it with a quality jump box on the main battery.
Ben, l want to buy a used eco-diesel Wangler. It will see about 5,000 miles a year under my ownership. How many miles on the used Wangler is acceptable? Keep it under....... Steve
I went with the 2023 4xe rubicon. 20k miles so far and it has been great. If I had it to do again, I would have bought the 392 only due to Chrysler discontinuing it. However, the 4xe has more torque earlier in the rpms than the 392 and the 4xe weight distribution is better. Both of which make it better for off roading. 392 is cool for mall crawlers.
I have owned a Rubicon 4xe for 3 months and put over 2000 miles on it with mostly in city driving. I charge at home and at work, and of the 2000 miles only 800 miles are on the gas engine running in hybrid. Most of the gas/hybrid miles are when I have taken it off roading and camping. Also most of the low mileage trade in’s are people that just want the tax credit. I only put gas in it when I take it off roading.
@@RealEstateClub- No issues so far. I follow quite a few 4xe owners, and only a few 2021 owners reported issues. And of that few the most common problem was the fuses were not pressed in hard enough, causing the 4xe to start throwing error codes, and a few were left stranded, till they pressed the fuses in correctly. Also a few users reported failure of a device that heats the coolant to the battery. It is new tech, but that drivetrain had millions of testing miles before its release in the US. Also look at from a reliability perspective. The 2.0T engine (when running) is constantly being assisted by 2 electric motors, which is going to help with the longevity of the gas motor. Also the braking is Hybrid, meaning when you press the brake petal, the 4xe is doing Regen first before engaging the mechanical brakes. Now on the other hand the diesel imo has more warranty issues than the 4xe. All the UA-cam’r I follow with Diesels have had issues with check engine lights, limp mode, and emissions component failures.
Eco diesel all the way! Put a tuner on it and bam.... smokes everything and gets better mileage... oh and the " extra cost" of the diesel means absolutely nothing because it carries a higher resale value and let's be honest.... you are not gonna have it forever and if you do it will cost less in the long run... I have one and love it
The 3.6 Pentastar is definitely the most proven powertrain. Relatively cheap to fix, parts are abundant and many jeeps with 300,000 miles rocking this engine.
In my opinion, the 2T, 2-door sport accelerates from 0-100 km/h with a hard top in 5.8 seconds, this is an amazing result and it still consumes little fuel, the gearbox is amazing, for me it is number 1
In too few words: V6 - Most reliable, but inefficient & underpowered in every possible way. Undoubtedly the least fun option but cheap upfront. I4T - Only good on gas around town (with questionable reliability) but fun at low speeds. It’s the best mall crawler option. EcoDiesel - Best fuel economy real-world by a long shot, however its an expensive upgrade with pricy fuel. Decent reliability with insanely good performance all throughout the power band. 4xE - Best on paper, but the least consistent in the real world. Struggles to match the I4T on the streets and the Diesel on the freeway. Already the most traded in and least reliable (however that partly due to parts availability). It’s quick 0-60 and can be good on gas in ideal condition… but it’s easily the biggest gamble of the lineup, especially given the price.
@@RealEstateClub- TLDR: The 4xe exists new for tax and emissions purposes. It exists used because customers are either unhappy with the performance or wait times for warranty work and dealers STILL make money after accepting the trades at cost. I asked 4 different dealers in 2 different states why their lots were full of them (used) when they had hardly any other vehicles period during the height of the covid shortages. They unanimously said that the 4xe was mostly produced and purchased due to tax incentives (for both the manufacture and customer) and they were traded in on a vast short basis for two main reasons. The first was people didn’t get anywhere close to the MPGe that was advertised in most real life driving scenarios, which is very unlike most modern hybrids. Second, whenever they had issues with the powertrains it took over three months in most cases to even get the part to fix the problem (assuming they diagnosed it properly to begin with). The reason for the problems and delays was that it was a new powertrain and not widely manufactured yet. This was compounded by the fact that the manufacturer only got their tax & emissions credits for full units (entire vehicles produced/sold) so there was no incentives to make spare parts. Most production was going to new cars not replacement parts. Due to warranty laws this basically forced the manufacturer to either lemon the car or accept it back as a trade at no loss to the customer. On the surface that might not make sense but with how insane used car prices were it actually MADE PROFIT for the dealers so they were happy to facilitate this process.
in my opinion the eco diesel is by far the best but it has to be a gen 3. The gen 1s and 2s were riddled with problems but the gen 3 got an 80 percent re-design and they addressed all of the issues. Gen 3 are great engines!
I'd have to go with the diesel hands down. I understand there's a premium and diesels generally are more spendy on maintenance as well, but I have to buy 7 qts of oil whenever I do an oil change for mine and my wife's '04 Durango (5.7l V8), and get 16 (not 8) sparkplugs when the 30k service is due anyways, so it'd be worth it in my thoughts. Also, I like how they setup the dash on these newer jeeps. They kind of remind me of them ol' HMMWVs, without that gutless 6.2/6.5l n/a diesel, lol. 😂
that's what I just got. the eco-diesel. They are pricey. But I'm in it for the long haul. won't be able to get them in 2024. Word is they are discontinued in jeep wranglers. Still get them in Ram Trucks and other makes like Durango's etc. But not in Wranglers. Not enough demand. Demand at present is the 392, and ex. Mine is a 2022 new. Had to search and search to find mine. Drives better than you would ever imagine. And low-end torque and she will jump with the turbo. Very happy with her. She gets great mileage too. If you want an all around the Diesel is the way to go. We get snow here in Va. and my driveway is a 1/4 mile long. Then it's a good ways to get to town. So we have always had jeep wranglers. Mine had #302 miles on her when I drove her off the lot. I suspect i'll have her till they shovel dirt in my face. To me spending the extra to get a Diesel is really the smart way if you plan on keeping her. She really drives like a dream. And I just love the sound she makes idling. I went to the auto part store and told the guy I needed some D.E.F. for my jeep. And he was like for what?? He had no clue Wranglers came in Diesel. That's how rare they are...!!! They are disappearing as we speak.
V-6 My 2012 Jeep Liberty (3.7L)🗽 in new condition have 154,000 miles with a rebuilt transmission. 🤗 She can tow about 5,000 lbs. I got you beat. My Liberty gets 14 mpg city 🏙️ and about 24 highway 🛣️ I love the classic box 📦 style. My next Jeep would be a Wrangler 4xe 🤗
2.0T all day 3.6 sucks I have a 2.0T I love every bit of it I've worked on so many 3.6 pentastar V6s it's annoying with them going through oil coolers, knock sensors and eating their own cam lobes and chewing up rockers
I accidently ran my drop top Wrangler into the sidewall in the parking garage. Now I can only use my Cadillac coupe and Lamborghini for the weekend now. I'm now calling different repair shops for estimates that I have to pay out of pocket True story. Happened yesterday
For the Gladiator: The 3.6 . I hear a bunch of issues on the EcoDiesel in the Gladiator forums. Also, the Gladiator is a truck, not a dragster. If I want acceleration, I drive my other much lighter V8 vehicle. For the Wrangler: 392 or 4xe for the torque.
Weight is a HUGE factor with engines as well when talking about Jeeps. If it's just a mall crawler it doesn't matter. Off road on the other hand it definitely matters.
I’ve been considering selling my 5.7 Tundra and downsizing into a 4 door later model JK or JL and I’ve been on the fence for 2 years now. It’s the reliability trade offs for me, and I like to hold onto a vehicle for a long time. From my experience, extensive road tests, and owner/friend feedback, this where I’m at… 1) 3.6 Pentastar: over 10 million produced, many common issues stemming from inconsistent manufacturing processes and fragile plastic components. Lots of plastic. But, despite the lack of recalls and redesigned equipment (especially effecting the first few years of 3.6 production), the 3.6 is an incredibly smooth, powerful, efficient, and generally reliable power plant given its compact dimensions and weight. 2) 2.0 T: blast to drive in a 2 door; okay in a 4 door. I didn’t like having to buy premium in the only turbo vehicle I had 20 years ago. It’s just a minor but constant annoyance. Long term reliability is questionable, but I’d be curious. 3) Eco Diesel: Big expense. Lots of power. Lots of common issues, especially earlier on. Friend had it in a JL Rubicon. Hardly ever drove it because it was too nice and expensive to have it get scratched up on the rugged gravel roads where he lived. Oxymoronic yes. But others had gladly dealt with the costly repairs to have the Wrangler of their dreams that can pull a trailer as well as the best half ton trucks out there. 4) 4xe: Great when brand new. Great for the city, great for repairs and frustrations at dealerships, and there’s a bunch of them with low miles at lots. The blue tow hooks are cute. 5) 392: Full beast mode. If you can afford it, go on ahead. Enjoy the juice of the V8 fruit while you can. Not overly unreliable or complicated at all, just crammed into a small vehicle. Add bumpers, a quality suspension upgrade and lots of “overlanding glampwear” and you’re rolling around on a $100k look at me missle of fun. If I can get a 4 door JL Rubicon in Purple Rain or Bikini Blue with a 3.6 and a 6 speed manual, I may go for it.
Fewer things to break, engine with more than 10 years in market, any mechanic can fix most comum problems, can buy a used engine for 2k in any scrap yard...
392 and ecodiesel. I really don't see the point of any other power train. I've owned every PT except 4xe so I cannot speak on that one. Out of all, the 392 and 3.0 are BY FAR the best options IMHO. Thank you for another bdass review Ben.
Thank you for the great video! I currently have a ‘17 jk rubicon, looking to replace it soon, I am considering the eco diesel or the 4xe. Jeep doesn’t have the eco diesel option on their build page. Does that mean you can only get whatever is on the dealer lot?
I have the eco with a banks tuner..... it's pretty fast for what it is..... but that is not what it's really for... almost keeps up with a 392 but gets 25 mpg
My bet is on the 392, the pentastar and the ecodiesel. Diesels tend to be more reliable than most gasoline engines, they make more torque, use less fuel, need less maintenance... The v6 is the base engine in all mopar vehicles for a reason. It has been perfected and if you don't abuse it it will last a very long time. And the 392... it is a tried and true engine and it is like telling the hulk to work as bar security and worry about him being okay. The wrangler is very light for the 392 and it is supposed to be used as a crawler, so the 392 shouldn't be reving high constantly either (we all know it lives in the red). So the 3 engines should be just fine. The turbo and the hibrid though... 2.0 T for a wrangler on 35's going offroading is not gonna last. And then you add hibrid tech into that, I mean... A wrangler is supposed to be dependable, reliable, durable... plugin hibrid means 7 years for the batteries on a system that breaks often and depends on electricity tonoperate at its top capacity (tell me in which trail you expect to get plugged after 2 days of expedition or what bear could have a charger installed in his cave).
The 4xe is terrible. Leased one, returned it way early cause it sucks. It's a scam. So expensive to charge, and worse gas mileage after the battery dies. You will NEVER get thr full claimed 22 miles of electric range either. NEVER.
Nice video explaining the different power plants. Have the 3.6 in my JT just because it was available. If I’d had a choice it would of been a toss up between it and the turbo. Thanks for the video!
I was on the fence about getting a 4xe, even have a custom order in (amidst the strike) and I’ve decided against in now. I’ve been weary of switching to hybrid/electric and after watching this video, I think I will have to pass on it.
Stay away from the 2.0 and the plug in hybrid. Forced induction, while cool for sport cars has no place in an SUV with a 4 banger, especially the plug in Hybrid which weighs over 6,000 pounds. This is the reason these Jeeps will not hold their value and you are seeing the plug ins really deprecate. Also look at the train wreck Ford has with the Bronco? They are putting these tiny engines in them and still drinking gas like a V8 without the reliability. What kind of resale market are you going to have in 5 years with a 2.0 liter with 130k miles on it?
[X] Reliability [X] Jeeps Pick one, you can't have both. I bought an EcoDiesel last year, after 14 months of nothing but issues I got rid of it (fortunately didn't lose too much money). Worst piece of crap vehicle I ever owned, I highly recommend anyone remotely thinking on getting a Diesel Jeep to go look at the Wrangler forums and see the clownshow of issues that vehicle is.
I try to watch because I like your content, but your speech affectations are annoying. Maybe try to speak at a regular conversational cadence? Sometimes youspeakreallyquicklyandcan'tbeunderstood. Where. As. Sometimes you draw. Out. Your. Words. Somuchthat. It. Hurts. To....Listen.
I've had a 2.0T and a 3.6 and for me it's virtually a toss up as both are great engines. However, I think if I personally had to choose between those 2, I narrowly prefer the 3.6 for 2 reasons. First, I always felt obligated to run 93 octane gas in my 2.0T. I know the manual says you can run 87, but I've seen many say the longevity and performance of a turbo engine will be improved running higher octane gas so that's the way I leaned with it. However, I have no problem running 87 octane in the 3.6 so it saves me a few bucks on gas. Secondly, the 3.6 to me just sounds better. When I was driving my turbo, at times almost sounded like a high powered golf cart or something lol. But when I drive the 3.6, it just sounds like I'd expect an engine to sound. Either way though, no sure you can go too wrong with either one.
Eco diesel is my next wrangler. I'm beyond agitated that they are discontinuing it.
I got the gladiator diesel best thing ever
I ordered the FarOut edition. Still waiting for it to arrive..
I was in your shoes. My 2021 JLU with Ecodiesel spent 6 months out of two years at the dealership. Constant issues with the engine and constant lack of parts to fix.
Selling it back to the dealership as a lemon in a week.
Next time I'll buy only 3.6 V6. It's much more common, so parts should not be such a problem.
It doesn't meet even Chrysler's low standards for reliability. I am a diesel lover, but this thing struggles to live.
I'm a level 3 dodge technician the eco diesel is a F@&king horrible engine i see them all the time junk
I went with the 4xe. As much torque as the 392, but can still manage 20+mpg on gas. I can commute to work and back home in pure EV mode. Instant cabin heat in winter with no wait for a engine to warmup.
You chose wright..” I had my 4xe almost a month and I still have the gas from the Dealership they filled it up with, this is crazy! 😅
hows the electric charging? is it costly?
@@XXXXBossXXXX In my area, it is .14 cents per Kwh, so an extra $25 on my monthly bill.
@@mowcowbell wow! thats amazing!😭😭😭 might have check the 4xe out then! thanks mate!
I have a 4xe also. The torque is actually much better than the 392 because the 4xe hits peak torque much lower in the rpms.
My wife’s new 23 Rubicon has the Eco diesel. Absolutely love it, glad we got the diesel before they’re gone.
Love My 2021 Ecodiesel…!!!
Rubicon, Sting Gray, Tan Top, Tan Leather…!!!
We have had a 2.0 Turbo for 2.5 years and it has been great. Very reliable and we have done a decent amount of towing. I'm thinking my next will be a diesel though due to the range and amount of towing we do.
Every manufacturer seems to have a 1.5 or 2 liter turbo for a reason. Here at high altitude, the 2.0 blows away the 3.6 for power and fuel economy.
Does the 4xe have regenerative breaking or do u HAVE to charge it
Ive owned 3.6, 3.0 ecoD, and have experience with the 2.0, currently own the 392. The ecodiesel is the most unreliable. Great sound, torque and mpg. When they break no one knows how to work on it and the emission add ons add complexity and unreliability, and Im sure will affect resale long term. A lot of them leak oil. The 3.6 and 6.4 have been around the longest and are low stress and simple engines. Great video love your channel and content.
Would you recommend to buy 3,6? I'm choosing between 3.0 and 3.6 for a while
I've always said, the diesel emission standards killed the diesel engine. I get that they might be necessary... but long gone are the days of tractor reliability out of a diesel engine.
@@skystunner7207check out the JLWranglerForums, there are tons of threads on the topic. So much so that it's like beating a dead horse at this point. I personally went with the 3.6, but there are many considerations to make when choosing.
Edit: you can also factory order for a pretty substantial discount
Good to hear. I recently (aggressively) steered my parents-in-law towards ordering their Ram 1500 with the EcoDiesel.
I actually like how fast you speak, I know some ask you to slow down. Keeps me on my toes listening and I get more info quicker. Thx.
2 liter turbo. 270hp 295ftlbs torque. Stock. Bigger intake for the turbo...better blow off valve. Race Chip tune...beast mode.
I am going try that
4xe is awesome. I've gone 1400 miles without using any gas. The 28 mile range is great, it costs $1.50 in electricity to that 28 miles vs 1.5 gallons of 93 octane at $4/gallon.
'22 4xe Rubicon here in Canada. Bought it brand new and drove it more than 40,000 kms. With my lifestyle - its a daily driver, I get ~4.5l/100 kms or ~52 mpg. I have raced it, towed RVs with it, camping, trails, off-roading etc - this thing is rock solid. Never disappoints and is incredibly fun to drive. It's quick, reliable, capable, and efficient. 4xe all the way! Downside? Lookup the latest recall about potential batteries catching on fire :( It's unlikely but there's a chance. Hopefully Stellantis fixes it soon and offers compensation for screwing up so bad.
As the proud owner of the EcoDiesel, I see a lot of long term viability with the engine. Yes, there are manufacturing flaws that can lead to an early demise in some circumstances, largely in part due to the obnoxious emissions systems that literally choke it to death. But, as soon as Chrysler stops warrantying engines and people turn to the aftermarket for rebuild kits and reman engines, there will be solutions to the flaws and the rebuilt engines will be everything we expect from a Diesel engine! In the forums and Facebook groups there are already companies sourcing bearings and parts for bullet proof rebuilds. Scat is already working on a new crankshaft and connecting rods. I always said, as soon as the Jeep community gets the EcoDiesel, we will see a surge in aftermarket support for the 630T VM Motori 3.0L Diesel. But I love this truck! I love the way I can just lean in maybe just a tad beyond 1/4 throttle and it just pulls! Especially at highway speeds, this thing has all the torque and power for passing, something always left to be desired for Jeeps in my 20 years owning Jeeps. And to get upwards of 30 mpg, it’s incredible! I would let FCA replace this engine 3 times before I lived with the daily disappointment and poor performance of the 3.6L V6 gas engine.
Well said
Yep, every vehicle has issues if you don't take care of then..... except toyota, bullet proof. Love the eco diesel over the 6 and 4 turbo..... I've had all three. The 6 had Cracked head and had to be warrantees. No issues yet with diesel and great torque.
The diesel added with the Banks I dash and pedal monster is pretty neat. Keep up the expensive maintenance though. Just wish I can remove the EGR. It’s killing the engine. It’s like a Olympic sprinter smoking a big cigar while running.
@@RichieWo1f1999 Banks products definitely make a performance difference but at what cost? Banks is merely fooling factory signals from sensors to the engine computer. A friend used to have a 5.9 Cummins 3rd Gen Ram 2500 with a Banks kit. Worked great until the injectors fried from being pushed beyond their duty cycle. The safest way to improve performance is a true computer tune flashed directly to the engine computer. SOME tuners can shut the EGR off entirely, however this is illegal in the United States due to EPA regulations and violation can result in hefty fines and other unreasonable consequences, but this is the country we live in, proceed at your own risk if you choose to. But, those that do safe tuning of the EcoDiesel and can offer changes that improve the life of the engine (EGR off), can be found in the country to our North. I would say more but the government stooges monitor the internet.
The Jeep Wrangler 2.0L Turbo But The Gladiator Needs It But I Loved The EcoDiesel.
Just purchased a '23 Rubicon with the 3.6, E tourque. The best improvement is the simplicity if you have to ever jump start it. Even with the dual battery system you can jump it with a quality jump box on the main battery.
How in the world do you get 16 mpg with your 392? I get 12. I get the same with my 3.6 Mojave on 35’s. I get 13 on the freeway.
Ben, l want to buy a used eco-diesel Wangler. It will see about 5,000 miles a year under my ownership. How many miles on the used Wangler is acceptable? Keep it under....... Steve
Great video 📼 analysis of the various powertrains Ben. I prefer the 2.0L four-cylinder engine.
لانه تيربو بدون التيربو هو محرك عادي
Just bought a 2.0 E Torque 2 door today.
I went with the 2023 4xe rubicon. 20k miles so far and it has been great. If I had it to do again, I would have bought the 392 only due to Chrysler discontinuing it. However, the 4xe has more torque earlier in the rpms than the 392 and the 4xe weight distribution is better. Both of which make it better for off roading. 392 is cool for mall crawlers.
I have owned a Rubicon 4xe for 3 months and put over 2000 miles on it with mostly in city driving. I charge at home and at work, and of the 2000 miles only 800 miles are on the gas engine running in hybrid. Most of the gas/hybrid miles are when I have taken it off roading and camping. Also most of the low mileage trade in’s are people that just want the tax credit. I only put gas in it when I take it off roading.
I know it's only 2K miles, but have you had any reliability issues? Or have you read about a lot of people having reliability issues with the 4xe?
@@RealEstateClub- No issues so far. I follow quite a few 4xe owners, and only a few 2021 owners reported issues. And of that few the most common problem was the fuses were not pressed in hard enough, causing the 4xe to start throwing error codes, and a few were left stranded, till they pressed the fuses in correctly. Also a few users reported failure of a device that heats the coolant to the battery. It is new tech, but that drivetrain had millions of testing miles before its release in the US. Also look at from a reliability perspective. The 2.0T engine (when running) is constantly being assisted by 2 electric motors, which is going to help with the longevity of the gas motor. Also the braking is Hybrid, meaning when you press the brake petal, the 4xe is doing Regen first before engaging the mechanical brakes. Now on the other hand the diesel imo has more warranty issues than the 4xe. All the UA-cam’r I follow with Diesels have had issues with check engine lights, limp mode, and emissions component failures.
Eco diesel all the way! Put a tuner on it and bam.... smokes everything and gets better mileage... oh and the " extra cost" of the diesel means absolutely nothing because it carries a higher resale value and let's be honest.... you are not gonna have it forever and if you do it will cost less in the long run... I have one and love it
The 3.6 Pentastar is definitely the most proven powertrain. Relatively cheap to fix, parts are abundant and many jeeps with 300,000 miles rocking this engine.
In my opinion, the 2T, 2-door sport accelerates from 0-100 km/h with a hard top in 5.8 seconds, this is an amazing result and it still consumes little fuel, the gearbox is amazing, for me it is number 1
In too few words:
V6 - Most reliable, but inefficient & underpowered in every possible way. Undoubtedly the least fun option but cheap upfront.
I4T - Only good on gas around town (with questionable reliability) but fun at low speeds. It’s the best mall crawler option.
EcoDiesel - Best fuel economy real-world by a long shot, however its an expensive upgrade with pricy fuel. Decent reliability with insanely good performance all throughout the power band.
4xE - Best on paper, but the least consistent in the real world. Struggles to match the I4T on the streets and the Diesel on the freeway. Already the most traded in and least reliable (however that partly due to parts availability). It’s quick 0-60 and can be good on gas in ideal condition… but it’s easily the biggest gamble of the lineup, especially given the price.
Where did you find stats about the 4xe being the most traded in?
@@RealEstateClub- TLDR: The 4xe exists new for tax and emissions purposes. It exists used because customers are either unhappy with the performance or wait times for warranty work and dealers STILL make money after accepting the trades at cost.
I asked 4 different dealers in 2 different states why their lots were full of them (used) when they had hardly any other vehicles period during the height of the covid shortages. They unanimously said that the 4xe was mostly produced and purchased due to tax incentives (for both the manufacture and customer) and they were traded in on a vast short basis for two main reasons. The first was people didn’t get anywhere close to the MPGe that was advertised in most real life driving scenarios, which is very unlike most modern hybrids. Second, whenever they had issues with the powertrains it took over three months in most cases to even get the part to fix the problem (assuming they diagnosed it properly to begin with). The reason for the problems and delays was that it was a new powertrain and not widely manufactured yet. This was compounded by the fact that the manufacturer only got their tax & emissions credits for full units (entire vehicles produced/sold) so there was no incentives to make spare parts. Most production was going to new cars not replacement parts. Due to warranty laws this basically forced the manufacturer to either lemon the car or accept it back as a trade at no loss to the customer. On the surface that might not make sense but with how insane used car prices were it actually MADE PROFIT for the dealers so they were happy to facilitate this process.
@@TheDiameter Thanks for the info
3.6 V6 FTW
in my opinion the eco diesel is by far the best but it has to be a gen 3. The gen 1s and 2s were riddled with problems but the gen 3 got an 80 percent re-design and they addressed all of the issues. Gen 3 are great engines!
I'd have to go with the diesel hands down. I understand there's a premium and diesels generally are more spendy on maintenance as well, but I have to buy 7 qts of oil whenever I do an oil change for mine and my wife's '04 Durango (5.7l V8), and get 16 (not 8) sparkplugs when the 30k service is due anyways, so it'd be worth it in my thoughts.
Also, I like how they setup the dash on these newer jeeps. They kind of remind me of them ol' HMMWVs, without that gutless 6.2/6.5l n/a diesel, lol. 😂
that's what I just got. the eco-diesel. They are pricey. But I'm in it for the long haul. won't be able to get them in 2024. Word is they are discontinued in jeep wranglers. Still get them in Ram Trucks and other makes like Durango's etc. But not in Wranglers. Not enough demand. Demand at present is the 392, and ex. Mine is a 2022 new. Had to search and search to find mine. Drives better than you would ever imagine. And low-end torque and she will jump with the turbo. Very happy with her. She gets great mileage too. If you want an all around the Diesel is the way to go. We get snow here in Va. and my driveway is a 1/4 mile long. Then it's a good ways to get to town. So we have always had jeep wranglers. Mine had #302 miles on her when I drove her off the lot. I suspect i'll have her till they shovel dirt in my face. To me spending the extra to get a Diesel is really the smart way if you plan on keeping her. She really drives like a dream. And I just love the sound she makes idling. I went to the auto part store and told the guy I needed some D.E.F. for my jeep. And he was like for what?? He had no clue Wranglers came in Diesel. That's how rare they are...!!! They are disappearing as we speak.
do you have one with a toyota powertrain, not into fiat junk
I gonna perfur all 4 different vehicles Ben.
What a beautiful sight to wake up to.
V6 for sure!
Yes, that and the 6.4 will have good resale values, you will not see that with the plug in hybrid and 2.0.
V-6
My 2012 Jeep Liberty (3.7L)🗽 in new condition have 154,000 miles with a rebuilt transmission. 🤗
She can tow about 5,000 lbs.
I got you beat. My Liberty gets 14 mpg city 🏙️ and about 24 highway 🛣️
I love the classic box 📦 style.
My next Jeep would be a Wrangler 4xe 🤗
Was thinking about the turbo but in the end might just go with the v6
2.0T all day 3.6 sucks I have a 2.0T I love every bit of it I've worked on so many 3.6 pentastar V6s it's annoying with them going through oil coolers, knock sensors and eating their own cam lobes and chewing up rockers
I accidently ran my drop top Wrangler into the sidewall in the parking garage.
Now I can only use my Cadillac coupe and Lamborghini for the weekend now.
I'm now calling different repair shops for estimates that I have to pay out of pocket
True story.
Happened yesterday
Wow
4xe is the best for the money and power and do it all
For the Gladiator: The 3.6 . I hear a bunch of issues on the EcoDiesel in the Gladiator forums. Also, the Gladiator is a truck, not a dragster. If I want acceleration, I drive my other much lighter V8 vehicle.
For the Wrangler: 392 or 4xe for the torque.
I have a eco with 0 problems........ only 24k on it and sunk it in the river but not an issue
Which do you like better Ben Bronco or wrangler ? I’m trying to make a decision if the bronco is really worth the wait or not ..
Weight is a HUGE factor with engines as well when talking about Jeeps. If it's just a mall crawler it doesn't matter. Off road on the other hand it definitely matters.
I’ve been considering selling my 5.7 Tundra and downsizing into a 4 door later model JK or JL and I’ve been on the fence for 2 years now. It’s the reliability trade offs for me, and I like to hold onto a vehicle for a long time. From my experience, extensive road tests, and owner/friend feedback, this where I’m at…
1) 3.6 Pentastar: over 10 million produced, many common issues stemming from inconsistent manufacturing processes and fragile plastic components. Lots of plastic. But, despite the lack of recalls and redesigned equipment (especially effecting the first few years of 3.6 production), the 3.6 is an incredibly smooth, powerful, efficient, and generally reliable power plant given its compact dimensions and weight.
2) 2.0 T: blast to drive in a 2 door; okay in a 4 door. I didn’t like having to buy premium in the only turbo vehicle I had 20 years ago. It’s just a minor but constant annoyance. Long term reliability is questionable, but I’d be curious.
3) Eco Diesel: Big expense. Lots of power. Lots of common issues, especially earlier on. Friend had it in a JL Rubicon. Hardly ever drove it because it was too nice and expensive to have it get scratched up on the rugged gravel roads where he lived. Oxymoronic yes. But others had gladly dealt with the costly repairs to have the Wrangler of their dreams that can pull a trailer as well as the best half ton trucks out there.
4) 4xe: Great when brand new. Great for the city, great for repairs and frustrations at dealerships, and there’s a bunch of them with low miles at lots. The blue tow hooks are cute.
5) 392: Full beast mode. If you can afford it, go on ahead. Enjoy the juice of the V8 fruit while you can. Not overly unreliable or complicated at all, just crammed into a small vehicle. Add bumpers, a quality suspension upgrade and lots of “overlanding glampwear” and you’re rolling around on a $100k look at me missle of fun.
If I can get a 4 door JL Rubicon in Purple Rain or Bikini Blue with a 3.6 and a 6 speed manual, I may go for it.
Don't trade in, just sell it . Then get the one that has the best motor. Reliable
Is extreme recon gone for 2023? Thanks
Being able to get a manual transmission alone, I would get the V6.
V6 affidabiliti ?????
V6 pentastar. Most reliable 👍🏻
Fewer things to break, engine with more than 10 years in market, any mechanic can fix most comum problems, can buy a used engine for 2k in any scrap yard...
392 and ecodiesel. I really don't see the point of any other power train. I've owned every PT except 4xe so I cannot speak on that one. Out of all, the 392 and 3.0 are BY FAR the best options IMHO. Thank you for another bdass review Ben.
I wanted to get a Rubicon but 3.6 v6 minivan motor for over 60k? Never mind I'll just get a truck
Thank you for the great video! I currently have a ‘17 jk rubicon, looking to replace it soon, I am considering the eco diesel or the 4xe. Jeep doesn’t have the eco diesel option on their build page. Does that mean you can only get whatever is on the dealer lot?
Rented a Sort S with 4 turbo and averaged high 20s mpg. Sounded a bit whiney but good power.
The premium fuel requirement is a huge consideration on the 392. It's an incredible vehicle but requires premium
392 is probably my favorite lol. Ecodiesel would be second assuming its been deleted and tuned properly.
I have the eco with a banks tuner..... it's pretty fast for what it is..... but that is not what it's really for... almost keeps up with a 392 but gets 25 mpg
My bet is on the 392, the pentastar and the ecodiesel. Diesels tend to be more reliable than most gasoline engines, they make more torque, use less fuel, need less maintenance...
The v6 is the base engine in all mopar vehicles for a reason. It has been perfected and if you don't abuse it it will last a very long time.
And the 392... it is a tried and true engine and it is like telling the hulk to work as bar security and worry about him being okay. The wrangler is very light for the 392 and it is supposed to be used as a crawler, so the 392 shouldn't be reving high constantly either (we all know it lives in the red). So the 3 engines should be just fine.
The turbo and the hibrid though... 2.0 T for a wrangler on 35's going offroading is not gonna last.
And then you add hibrid tech into that, I mean... A wrangler is supposed to be dependable, reliable, durable... plugin hibrid means 7 years for the batteries on a system that breaks often and depends on electricity tonoperate at its top capacity (tell me in which trail you expect to get plugged after 2 days of expedition or what bear could have a charger installed in his cave).
Towing?
The Wranglers to be clear 😂🤣😂🤣
You can supercharge the V6
392 all the way as far as price you get what you pay for
Lol, if money is no object I guess you’re right.
All the way
The 4xe is terrible. Leased one, returned it way early cause it sucks. It's a scam. So expensive to charge, and worse gas mileage after the battery dies. You will NEVER get thr full claimed 22 miles of electric range either. NEVER.
great job!
I swear by the diesel gladiator
Diesel best engine to get in any 4×4 vehicles just saying
Too bad diesel fuel is 2X as expensive as gasoline.
Nice video explaining the different power plants. Have the 3.6 in my JT just because it was available. If I’d had a choice it would of been a toss up between it and the turbo. Thanks for the video!
You can only get the v6 and the diesel in the jt...................
I was on the fence about getting a 4xe, even have a custom order in (amidst the strike) and I’ve decided against in now. I’ve been weary of switching to hybrid/electric and after watching this video, I think I will have to pass on it.
My pretty stock 4xe Rubicon only gets like 18.5 mpg if I don’t charge
If anyone wants gas mileage don’t buy a wrangler lmfao but I’m looking into a JL tho my Jk was pretty cool 😅
Stay away from the 2.0 and the plug in hybrid. Forced induction, while cool for sport cars has no place in an SUV with a 4 banger, especially the plug in Hybrid which weighs over 6,000 pounds. This is the reason these Jeeps will not hold their value and you are seeing the plug ins really deprecate. Also look at the train wreck Ford has with the Bronco? They are putting these tiny engines in them and still drinking gas like a V8 without the reliability. What kind of resale market are you going to have in 5 years with a 2.0 liter with 130k miles on it?
you talk way too fast! slow it down. it's just not enjoyable to listen to you presenting information.
doesnt matter. They all are way over priced
4xe is the best of both worlds
If only it was as good in the real world as it claimed to be on paper.
It is better in the real world than it is on paper.
[X] Reliability
[X] Jeeps
Pick one, you can't have both. I bought an EcoDiesel last year, after 14 months of nothing but issues I got rid of it (fortunately didn't lose too much money). Worst piece of crap vehicle I ever owned, I highly recommend anyone remotely thinking on getting a Diesel Jeep to go look at the Wrangler forums and see the clownshow of issues that vehicle is.
You lie! lol. 2.0 T owner. 19.5 in town , 20 - 21 hwy. 22 Rubi XR pkg. So 1.5 in lift.
Duh
Talk faster
I try to watch because I like your content, but your speech affectations are annoying. Maybe try to speak at a regular conversational cadence? Sometimes youspeakreallyquicklyandcan'tbeunderstood. Where. As. Sometimes you draw. Out. Your. Words. Somuchthat. It. Hurts. To....Listen.
The 3.6 penta is OK. The rest is junk including the Italian made diesel 🤢🤪🤙💩🇨🇦
The 4xe is above the rest in every aspect. 🤎
Eco diesel is my next wrangler. I'm beyond agitated that they are discontinuing it.