The STUPIDEST VOTING in NL Rookie of the Year HISTORY
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2023
- In 1987, Philadelphia Phillies left fielder Chris James, after hitting .293 in nearly 400 plate appearances, got honored by receiving some votes for NL Rookie of the Year, being named one of the top newcomers in all of baseball. The only problem? You guessed it- James was not a rookie, and was not even the slightest bit eligible for this award. This is the story behind how something like this was even possible
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It’s good to see a video about the Phillies
Agree!!
I agree. I hope we'll see videos about their 1964 collapse, or the time their fans threw batteries at J.D. Drew.
Edinson Volquez was fourth in NL ROY voting in 2008 despite it being his fourth season. He had played the previous three seasons for the Rangers where he racked up 80 innings (has to be under 50 to remain eligible
JG9 doing a video on my Phillies. This is going to be a great day!
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How about a video on Rafael Palmeiro winning a good glove while primarily being a DH
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Oddly enough baseball reference states James exceeded rookie eligibility limits in 1987, not 1986.
Safe to say Chris James wouldn’t like the new time clock lol he enjoyed before hitting prep
Sure the Phillies were second in 1986-a full 21.5 games out (marking the first time since 1902 that a division or pennant race was decided by more than 20 games). The Phillies, like the rest of the NL East that year, was laid to waste by the Mets..it was only when injuries and Doc Gooden’s rehab that the Mets came back to the pack in ‘87.
The 1987 Phillies also had this guy named Mike Schmidt. He was 37 and still the best player on the team.
He should have got rookie of the year
@@zachbernheisel2239 Many rookies have 500 career HRs | lol
Chris James WAS eligible as a rookie in '87. He was on the DL which does not count towards being on the ACTIVE 25-man roster.
Same happened with Sandy Alomar Jr. He played for the Padres in 88 & 89 before he got traded to the Indians for Joe Carter and Sandy won AL Rookie Of The Year in 1990
Sandy did play on those years but only for a few games and four at bats. MLB rookie eligibility is weird but less than 45 days on the roster, 50 innings pitched, or 130 at bats and you're still a rookie
@Jay Gaston I know what you mean and I have Sandy 89 Topps Rookie & Donruss 1990 Rookie Cards LOL
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As an aside, I thought perhaps you'd raise the question of whether Ichiro should have been considered a rookie in 2001.
Anyone should be considered a rookie in their first MLB season (minimum 45 games, 50 innings pitched, or 130 at-bats)
A journalist doesn't know what they hell they're doing? Color me shocked.
I have to wonder. Was this a "stupid vote," or a vote by a voter who was ignoring a stupid rule?
Chris James was a rookie in 1987. He played 20 games and had 48 plate appearances in '86. By any standard of common sense, he was a rookie in '87. Benito Santiago had basically the same amount of playing time in '86, actually had a few more PAs, and yet he was eligible.
Santiago deserved to win either way. But James should have been able to receive votes.
A truly dumb happenstance of the "service time" rules came in 1988 and 1989, when Gregg Jefferies was called up by the Mets in late August of '88 and went right into the lineup and played fantastically, and got enough support for ROY to finish sixth, even though he would still technically be a rookie in 1989. He then played the '89 season and finished third in the balloting that season!
Yeaaaah... BUT, this was pre-internet days, access to information was more limited back then, I could see some sportswriter looking at the Sporting News seeing James's stats for 1986 and thinking he was still eligible... This would fall onto the guy who didn't validate it and get back to the writer to tell him he slipped up.
He is eligible to me. I say count the vote.
I'm not gonna jump all over that writer. I've seen more glaring mistakes made. I'm not sure it's quite that deep.
Wrong.... According ro BBREF James exceeded his rookie status in 1987.
Rookies are considered eligible in the MLB if they have under 130 at-bats, under 50 innings pitched, and have less than 45 days on the active roster. The service time does not include days on the injured list.
Yeah, I was going to say, you have to start with a discussion of how rookie eligibility works in MLB, how players can make their major league debuts and still be considered rookies the next year, and how due to only regular season at-bats/innings counting, you can even get players winning postseason awards prior to their rookie year, like Randy Arozarena winning the 2020 ALCS MVP and Babe Ruth Award and then winning AL RotY in 2021, or K-Rod tying the record for wins in a single postseason in 2002 and then being a rookie in 2003.
He explains it, he was on the DL during 1986 and he cleared 100 days on the roster. It would negate his rookie eligibility
@@jamesgaston2745I mean, back in the day they were probably more focused on the ab’s then the time on the roster
@@jamesgaston2745 did the 100 days include the time on the DL?
@@Joey_PSU yeah, you're on the roster if you're on the DL
Frank Thomas was ineligible for ROY in 91 because he too many plate appearances, because he was a 1990 call up in Auganst of 1990.
Fun Fact: Phillies Closer Steve Bedrosian won the NL Cy Young Award that year.
The competition was ass that year.
Ya it should went to Nolan Ryan
'87 was a year of a possibly-juiced ball. It was very much a preview of the late '90s. Wade Boggs hit 24 home runs and only hit double-digits one other year in his career before or after. So no one really came off as an elite pitcher.
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But Mel Farr Superstar got a far better deal.
Im sorry man, but you have to do more research before putting this content out. Being on the DL makes you part of the expanded 40 man roster, however not a part of the active 24 man roster (now 26 man)
Chris James is no 5 time W.C,C.W ROY Playboy Gary Young
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But what if I want to vote for Ronald Reagan for President? You didn't mention any problem with that.
Zombie Reagan is probably a better choice than the field at this point TBH.
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