I Found the Most Efficient Propeller Design - Competition Ep. 3

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  • @danielcaigou
    @danielcaigou Місяць тому +4066

    Props to this guy....

  • @user-rn3mi4dk9h
    @user-rn3mi4dk9h Місяць тому +1401

    The honorable mention for this video is the bird who bombed you in stealth mode.

    • @dadsfriendlyrobotcompany
      @dadsfriendlyrobotcompany Місяць тому +25

      Yeah, he should find it and model a prop from it. Silent but deadly

    • @ataboo
      @ataboo Місяць тому +39

      @@dadsfriendlyrobotcompany That bird has surely mastered laminar flow.

    • @52Quantum
      @52Quantum Місяць тому +5

      That's nothing. I once saw a kid put his rucksack in a dog shit, then proceeded to put it on his back. His reaction was the funniest thing I've ever seen!

    • @BadwolfFPV
      @BadwolfFPV Місяць тому +3

      better the back than the head

    • @alant779
      @alant779 Місяць тому +5

      It was the duck he bullied a while back.

  • @contrail52
    @contrail52 Місяць тому +256

    It was so much fun having a chance to design my prop for this competition and flex some of the aero engineering muscles from uni. Can't wait for round 2 :). Most of the bugs in my design workflow and software were ironed out during this round, so there is nothing stopping me from placing top 3 next time! Congratulations to Spanmaxxing, Bigger (Diameter) is better, and Prandtl-DAE!!!

    • @DC_DC_DC_DC
      @DC_DC_DC_DC Місяць тому +9

      You should start testing irl yourself and send your footage to be featured!!

    • @contrail52
      @contrail52 Місяць тому +6

      @@DC_DC_DC_DC While it would be a fun project and a fantastic video idea, the lakes near me have a visibility of -2 feet and my free time right now is being eaten up by another RC project. I'll give it some thought though! Thanks

    • @dominiq4343
      @dominiq4343 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@contrail52would you be intrested in making videos of your projects? I would love to see your ideas.

    • @contrail52
      @contrail52 Місяць тому +3

      @@dominiq4343 I'm not opposed to it. It would be my first time making videos of any sort. And I would have to work around a full time job. Though, it might help to keep me working on my projects with some level of consistency lol.
      BTW, the project I'm attempting right now is to design and build a scale model F-18 HARV from scratch (flight controller too, down to the pcb).

  • @BenjiMeisterDK
    @BenjiMeisterDK Місяць тому +559

    i like the side story about the drone owner

    • @Toolingabout
      @Toolingabout Місяць тому +54

      Odds that it was stolen?

    • @vegasu9418
      @vegasu9418 Місяць тому +26

      ​@@Toolingabouti mean that was a black guy so what do you expect

    • @dmitryplatonov
      @dmitryplatonov Місяць тому +21

      ​@@Toolingabout I'd say pretty high.

    • @squidikka
      @squidikka Місяць тому +8

      @@vegasu9418 lmao

    • @0x0michael
      @0x0michael Місяць тому +93

      ​@@Toolingabout Racist

  • @Powertampa
    @Powertampa Місяць тому +229

    That the toroidal is so much quieter while matching the performance of the baseline is actually a big positive if you think about it. Reducing noise and thus potentially vibrations could be quite the big implication for some applications.

    • @BarackLesnar
      @BarackLesnar Місяць тому +32

      It's good for the fishies too

  • @Project-Air
    @Project-Air Місяць тому +216

    A showdown for the ages 🙌

    • @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio
      @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio Місяць тому +5

      You could do similar testing but on air instead of water

    • @WesleeHoffman-me3cw
      @WesleeHoffman-me3cw Місяць тому +1

      Yeah that would be a really cool video because your view can participate

    • @johnsmith-jq1uc
      @johnsmith-jq1uc Місяць тому

      real, if possible it would be cool to see you do a verison of this.

    • @drewharrison6433
      @drewharrison6433 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@UnapersonaconunmicroscopioThe conclusion of this series was that each propeller has to be optimized for the power source and speed of the vessel. If James did this test, it would be for a particular motor and aircraft. It seems a bit pointless. If you ask me, I want James to do more speed record attempts!

    • @therealistmccoy6237
      @therealistmccoy6237 Місяць тому +1

      Oh shit it’s project air!

  • @mdsign001
    @mdsign001 Місяць тому +101

    Can't believe I'm actually excited to see a THIRD episode on propellers!

    • @flat-earther
      @flat-earther Місяць тому

      hi mdsign, have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watching _Level with Me (2023)_ by Hibbeler Productions

    • @flat-earther
      @flat-earther Місяць тому

      hi mdsign, have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest viewing the 13 part series _what on earth happened_ in my about to learn how the earth is not a globe

    • @dosendaring
      @dosendaring Місяць тому +1

      @@flat-earther that's an old theory, I have a new one, THE EARTH IS CYLINDRICAL SHAPE.... !!!! That is both flat and round at the same time. Think about it.....cars have cylinders. Mindblowing.....

    • @talon9639
      @talon9639 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@dosendaringwhat the fuck is going on😂

    • @carpediemarts705
      @carpediemarts705 Місяць тому

      I've been watching the computer fan showdown for 4 years now. Never thought that would have so much pull!

  • @N330AA
    @N330AA Місяць тому +128

    33:50 Military ships often have variable pitch propellers. Arleigh Burke class for example, and the props are huuuuge. And they have a bubbler system too to mask prop noise.

    • @Kenionatus
      @Kenionatus Місяць тому +26

      Great example of needing to run at different speeds, I guess. I imagine that sometimes they want to move somewhat efficiently so they don't guzzle their oilers empty too quickly and sometimes they need to haul ass to dodge that torp or get somewhere yesterday stat.

    • @namibjDerEchte
      @namibjDerEchte Місяць тому +5

      @@Kenionatus Actually, at least for planes, also because airstream velocity cancels out blade pitch to an extend.

    • @Stormcrow_1
      @Stormcrow_1 Місяць тому +8

      Back in the day the Type 42 destroyer used to have CPP. One of the reasons we had cpp was to allow reverse thrust, without having to make a gearbox able to reverse the shafts.

    • @user-mv6gm4sz5x
      @user-mv6gm4sz5x 23 дні тому

      To reduce hull friction

    • @N330AA
      @N330AA 23 дні тому

      @@user-mv6gm4sz5x Nah, they're called Prairie Maskers which make ships sound more like rain to submarines. You are thinking of hull ventilation which is used on some extremely fast boats.

  • @RubenKelevra
    @RubenKelevra Місяць тому +209

    Variable pitch propellers are actually kinda common on fish trawlers, which need to operate at two speeds efficiently: The travel speed and the harvesting speed. This also helps with maneuvering, as they can seamlessly switch between forward and backward operating in fractions of a second and thus can keep the boat stationary at a certain location (if they got a bow thruster).
    So deep sea diving boats have also often also have variable pitch propellers, which can sometimes freely rotate.
    But the pinnacle of maneuverability - sometimes used on tug boats - is clearly the Voith Schneider Propeller. But it's also pretty inefficient - for obvious reasons. *BUT* they have a low acoustic signature - as they don't have any cavitation, as they don't have tips (there's a thrust plate at the bottom). :)

    • @kecuthbertson
      @kecuthbertson Місяць тому +3

      They're also common on larger motor-sailing yachts where they will vary the pitch to maximize the amount of power they can get from the sails whilst still maintaining a reasonable speed, or they can feather them entirely whilst using only sail power.

    • @valentinguz
      @valentinguz Місяць тому +2

      Such cool different design

    • @TlalocTemporal
      @TlalocTemporal Місяць тому +6

      Voith Schneidy propeller?
      * Furious typing *
      Cyclorotor‽ Wow!

    • @BiscuitWaite
      @BiscuitWaite Місяць тому +3

      They are also used on gas turbine ships. Since turbines only spin in one direction, the only way to get reverse is to reverse the pitch of the prop. Ask me how I know what's it like when the pump fails on that blade and the turbine is spun up to full power.....

    • @agentcrm
      @agentcrm Місяць тому +3

      Those Voith props would break many peoples mind. Especially when they're used to to move the thrust around the tug.

  • @gunnarblomquist5108
    @gunnarblomquist5108 Місяць тому +110

    Thanks for testing my poorly proposed prop! Nice touch with the Sea shanty lyrics

    • @WigglesMcMuffin
      @WigglesMcMuffin Місяць тому +1

      Obligatory "that's not really a sea shanty, because it doesn't have the work/rest structure". Wellerman is still an awesome song though

    • @humanityeliteschool9407
      @humanityeliteschool9407 18 днів тому

      the reason why Fibonnacci prop came at bottom is that it is designed to generate max energy from flow, meaning it's a generator, turbine prop not the thruster prop. if you put that golden ratio prop on boat and replace sail with that it will generate max amount of energy per sqm. and if you connect it directly to the shaft of water prop then you will have the fastest most energy efficient wind boat that can outperform any standard sailboat(nonfoil). 100% I am building that!

  • @HolbrookAerospace
    @HolbrookAerospace Місяць тому +63

    Great episode! Thanks Daniel for using our template, helping expose the HAVF airfoil format, and being so patient with our first foray into marine propellers! I love the content!

  • @Aperson156
    @Aperson156 Місяць тому +302

    This tickles a tism I didn't know i had.

    • @Sandux930
      @Sandux930 Місяць тому +1

      whats the A stand for?

    • @nikkiofthevalley
      @nikkiofthevalley Місяць тому +3

      ​@@Sandux930'tism is a shortening of "autism", the 'a' isn't short for anything.

    • @sunfishensunfishen2271
      @sunfishensunfishen2271 Місяць тому +2

      Literally same here

    • @zachmoyer1849
      @zachmoyer1849 Місяць тому +2

      every guy loves a boat

    • @nikkiofthevalley
      @nikkiofthevalley Місяць тому

      @@zachmoyer1849 Autistic people aren't necessarily guys

  • @okami220
    @okami220 Місяць тому +154

    38 min video to kick off the friday, Daniel you know the way to a man's heart

  • @riipper666
    @riipper666 Місяць тому +19

    As a maritime engineer with experience on model tests of propellers, this is very interesting. The different aspects of propeller design are nicely shown and discussed here. As for the cavitation, the large propellers are more prone to it due to the high tip speeds. When doing model tests with roughly similar sized propellers than tested here, the pressure of the test section is lowered to 20-40% of the atmospheric pressure to match the cavitation of a full-scale propeller.

    • @reyalPRON
      @reyalPRON Місяць тому

      This is interesting indeed, i miss a traditional hub variable pitched version in the line-up. Pretty sure that is the way to go, as one does need a gearbox for reverse as the blades are just flipped.

  • @williamfraser
    @williamfraser Місяць тому +19

    You can isolate the propeller efficiency from the rest of the system by using shaft power as the metric. Torque times rotational velocity. Torque is proportional to current so using phase amps x rpm will give better prop comparisons. You also eliminate losses in the esc this way.

  • @BongoBaggins
    @BongoBaggins Місяць тому +59

    I know far more about propellers than I ever wanted to know, and my life is immeasurably better for it

  • @CameronDickson-fe5uj
    @CameronDickson-fe5uj Місяць тому +117

    This confirms he is using us to make the most efficient solar tug boat yet

  • @bolbyballinger
    @bolbyballinger Місяць тому +35

    I think there's a few problems with tubercles.
    In nature they're strongest on the side fins rather than the tail fin, which often won't even have any. Essentially they're more useful on the whale's "rudder" than the whales "propeller". Which might key us in to their actual purpose.
    Further, whales are not speedsters. While a blue whale CAN hit 30mph they're usual pace is 4-12 mph. While the boat in these tests is within that range, the propellers are moving fast enough to "reverse" in the camera meaning they're rotating at a pretty serious clip.
    So the tubercles that are usually on the steering part of a slow animal are being placed on a high speed propulsion part. Somewhere nature simply never intended them to be.
    Even more, they're not made for this kind of motion in nature. Even when the whale is zooming the tubercles on the tail are going up and down (changing direction) with slow downs and even stops. But on a propeller it's just a constant rotation in one direction.
    If tubercles do offer an advantage to boats it'll probably be on the body or the rudder.

    • @TlalocTemporal
      @TlalocTemporal Місяць тому +2

      I think there has been some success with the tubercles as a wavy leading edge on plane wings, specifically in that it makes it harder to stall. The idea is that the wing has a variable chord so the stall happens gradually across the wing instead of suddenly from one end. This is the same reasoning behind Dog Teeth (or Leading Edge Cuffs) and Wing Washout (or an axial twist) on some planes, which actually just has a different stall speed on different parts of the wing, so stall happens on just one part of the wing and more evenly between wings.
      Also a feature of Dog Teeth, and often added to normal wings, are Vortex Generators and Wing Fences, which can prevent a stall from propagating along the wing, and also help spanwise flow separation in swept back wings.
      All of these anti-stall techniques may be generated with tubercles, and it makes sense that the flippers get more of them; in order to manoeuvre quickly, you need a high amount of possible lift in several directions, and a sustained reliable amount because taking another stroke takes a long time. The tail can be angled to prevent a stall, but the flippers need every degree of angle to turn quickly.
      In conclusion, I fully agree with the sentiment that tubercles don't belong on propellers and instead belong on manoeuvring surfaces. I had though I had seen a helicopter with wavy leading edges on it's rotors, but I can't find it. F1 cars nearly use this in their wings, very interesting look nonetheless.

  • @3gunslingers
    @3gunslingers Місяць тому +25

    Wow! Brilliant research series!
    You are just casually uploading videos with _far_ more research content than many bachelor thesis out there.

  • @algawura2
    @algawura2 Місяць тому +16

    Thanks for these videos. I tried out spanmaxxing for a DIY aquarium flow pump and was blown away with how much water flow was being produced. Fewer flow pumps can be used now to support the live corals in the aquarium. Thanks again for sharing.

  • @ericsynchrona5495
    @ericsynchrona5495 Місяць тому +380

    "Next I've got these human growth propellers from a science lab, these were actually designed on the backs of real human beings."

    • @NOTNOTJON
      @NOTNOTJON Місяць тому +17

      Thought Imporium has entered the chat

    • @speedstrn
      @speedstrn Місяць тому +5

      It's too bad there aren't any living organisms with propellers to have natural selection choose the best design. Maybe we need a mad scientist to get on that and we can check in on the results a few million years from now... We may need a time machine for that.

    • @aleksihiltunen7063
      @aleksihiltunen7063 Місяць тому +5

      @@speedstrn We can run genetic algorithms on our computers still although they don’t always result in the most optimal solution in real life as shown in the video

    • @NetAnon
      @NetAnon Місяць тому

      @@aleksihiltunen7063 Yeah, evolutionary algorithms only really select for the nearest best not the absolute best.

    • @connosaurus
      @connosaurus Місяць тому +3

      Island of Dr. Moreau enters the chat

  • @PatrickHoodDaniel
    @PatrickHoodDaniel Місяць тому +7

    The acapella at the end is 🔥!

  • @WildHair1
    @WildHair1 Місяць тому +18

    @32:20 Daniel's Thoughts From A Weird Vehicle is my new favorite segment.

  • @thomasvnl
    @thomasvnl Місяць тому +21

    The sound analysis was really cool, and one would think that a less noisy propellor with a good integral efficiency must be a result of less cavitation/bubbles. Spanmaxxing sounded rather clean

    • @SpeedyGwen
      @SpeedyGwen Місяць тому +1

      the thing am curious about is how much sound there is depending on the angle, like, its probably a radically different volume between in front of the ship or from the size or behind it

  • @6n-thorus945
    @6n-thorus945 Місяць тому +32

    Contender-25 is realy intresting one, same diameter with baseline, but as big top speed as spanmaxxing is great result
    i think if there will be another competition, you should limit maximum diameter at baseline propellers diameter, so it will be competition of form, not size

    • @contrail52
      @contrail52 Місяць тому +14

      Contender-25 did have the greatest efficiency at higher speeds than the other 34 designs I tested, which is the main reason that it beat out the others. Though, I never considered 2 blade props, I only stuck with 3, so I was kicking myself when I saw the other 2 blade props lol. But seeing that top speed in the results was a great feeling. If there is a second propeller competition, most of the bugs are worked out in my design workflow and software, and I have new ideas :)

  • @RoofAndAMeal4UsAll
    @RoofAndAMeal4UsAll Місяць тому +32

    Yep I've got a 3 blade R/C aircraft prop on the 55lb thrust trolling motor on my electrified paddle/pedal boat. Increases current draw, doubles speed. I appreciate this channel, however I should point out that the ads are louder than the baseline audio gain, you might want to bump up your audio gain in order to lessen the jarring effect on the viewer of the noticeably louder ads.

    • @nealstephensonhiro72
      @nealstephensonhiro72 Місяць тому +2

      Hiya! For science would you share the exact prop ( maker, diameter and pitch) please

    • @RoofAndAMeal4UsAll
      @RoofAndAMeal4UsAll Місяць тому +6

      @@nealstephensonhiro72 sure made by Windsor Propeller Company it is a 3 blade pusher, T3871P is stamped on it, also T15704. The blades measure 7 1/2" to center, it is large. It is in their catalog. Wiring should be better than 10g. At low power settings it is efficient and fast. Running it at max power things heat up and curiously do not result in more speed. Your mileage may vary - I'll share it for 'pseudoscience' let's say as any wind has a pronounced effect on my big square craft making precise measurements suspect. Snow Crash! :)

    • @nealstephensonhiro72
      @nealstephensonhiro72 Місяць тому +1

      @@RoofAndAMeal4UsAll thanks for your reply! Yes loved Snow Crash ages ago and it influenced my YT name choice haha

  • @ruftime
    @ruftime Місяць тому +9

    Awesome stuff!
    I come for the video……and stay for the outro song❤

  • @johncarter5576
    @johncarter5576 Місяць тому +3

    I owned a 21' open bow boat used for pulling skiers, tubers, wake boarders, & knee boarders. It had a "Torque Shift" variable pitch prop the was great for getting skiers out of the water fast & a much faster cruise than a lower pitch prop could provide. It's only problem was exactly what you stated, living underwater the shift mechanism was constantly needing to be cleaned. Thanks for providing me with even more items I feel like I need to 3D print!

  • @Chris-oj7ro
    @Chris-oj7ro Місяць тому +3

    This has been amazing! Thanks to you and the people who made submissions. It's been a great contribution to the vidnet!

  • @Th33M4rksman
    @Th33M4rksman Місяць тому +2

    i honestly know literaly nothing about design, engineering, mechanics, and watercraft, but these have been so entertaining and informative that it doesnt really matter much. i want to see you review rc dirigible propellers now. and im aware those probably dont exist. but if they did, id love for you to review them.

    • @moki123g
      @moki123g Місяць тому

      If you like this style of engineering content (even if you don't fully understand it) search on UA-cam for: this old tony, applied science, and nile red. There are many others, but that is a good start.

  • @BrekRND
    @BrekRND Місяць тому +7

    Grew up racing planing hull boats, and we always ran the centerline of the prop around 12-18mm below the water. The best explanation I have is due to drag of the gearbox and fin. Also running at 100mph.

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc Місяць тому +1

      It depends heavily on the type of boat/hull what is the best height. Yes, it is indeed done as good as exclusively because of lessening drag. Some boat classes have a regulation height of prop shaft measured from bottom of the hull.

    • @martindinner3621
      @martindinner3621 Місяць тому

      And this introduces surface piercing props!

  • @appa609
    @appa609 Місяць тому +6

    Thank you for helping us validate our design methodology with this real world test. Hopefully the next one flies (soon)

    • @contrail52
      @contrail52 Місяць тому +2

      Congrats! Hopefully I'll get to see another one of your designs in a possible round 2.

  • @connelly6375
    @connelly6375 Місяць тому +6

    Blesa that man's heart who taught his brother an important life lesson, never sell when you're desperate

  • @jamesbramlett5407
    @jamesbramlett5407 Місяць тому +1

    SUCH a good series! I bet you're sooooo happy this is over and done with. We really appreciate the countless hours of work you've put in.

  • @sam1812seal
    @sam1812seal Місяць тому +6

    Not only are ship props designed for a set speed, their bows are too. The bulbous bow is designed to decrease bow inefficiency at a set speed. Outside of that speed the bow might actually increase inefficiency.
    Maybe the next design competition is bow shape?

    • @SigFigNewton
      @SigFigNewton Місяць тому

      Rocket nozzles are optimized at a specific altitude

    • @SigFigNewton
      @SigFigNewton Місяць тому

      Well. Ambient air pressure

  • @hmoxh
    @hmoxh Місяць тому +3

    Kamewa has made variable pitch propellers for like 80 years and they are considered very reliable. We had them on some boats when i did my military service.

  • @scottcrawford3745
    @scottcrawford3745 Місяць тому +2

    We had 3 different props for our 18 foot Starcraft Aluminum fishing boat, running a Johnson 115 hp outboard.
    1) "Power" prop: This one was a full diameter shallow pitch 3-blade prop, designed to give a great "hole shot" to get the boat up out of the water quickly and onto plane as fast as possible. We used it for water skiing to get people up out of the water in deep water starts, and for the most efficient trolling for downrigger fishing.
    2) Standard prop: this was a full diameter standard pitch 3-blade prop with slightly "fatter/ wider" blades that came with the motor as OEM fitment. It was only okay at everything, but made it a lot of work to lift out a skiier and trolled slightly too fast at lowest (idle) engine rpm. Once we had the other 2 props, this became the "backup/ rock " prop in case of emergencies and was left in the stowage locker on board.
    3) "Speed" prop: Dad bought this smaller diameter 4-blade prop with a steep pitch and aggressive cut-profile blades for going to northern lakes with long arms/ inlets/ distant bays for fishing , i.e. Lake Temagami, Ontario. Hardly any trolling except for shallower water fish that were fast and aggressive, and a terrible "hole shot" ( we all used to have to stand at the very front of the floor at the console to help it finally plane-out... but top speed was easily 10 mph faster than the power prop, which got him to and from fishing holes in less time. It was almost impossible to ski behind, unless you liked being dragged to the point of muscle collapse before you got out of the water on your ski(s). We had hoped it would give us enough speed to barefoot ski...but, based on the numerous hilarious and somewhat painful or embarrassing wipeouts we all experienced in tryring, it just couldn't get us up to the required speed. Also, if we were slalom skiing, if you pulled back against the boat hard enough, you could slow it down... a lot... Definitely not the case with the "Power Prop"... it just kept on going forward like you were barely there.
    Loved this series of videos. Thanks so much for doing these. So many surprises, and a few " Called-it"'s too. Many cool designs. Keep up the good work and the science of it all.

  • @swingsloth
    @swingsloth Місяць тому +9

    Just when I say I'm going to turn in and go to sleep. Looks like I'm up for another half hour.

  • @tyler4306
    @tyler4306 Місяць тому +7

    Maybe the whales have evolved to hate the sounds of propellers, if they fear the sound of propellers they will avoid getting hit by one.

  • @Highspeedfutzi
    @Highspeedfutzi Місяць тому +6

    We need a crossover with the Fan Showdown from Major Hardware! 😁

    • @contrail52
      @contrail52 Місяць тому +5

      If it's any consolation, I've had a prop here and a fan over on Major Hardware. Contender-25 here, and the Tick-Tock Clock fan that he showed in a special episode lol.

    • @tomallo99
      @tomallo99 5 днів тому

      @@contrail52 Oh, it was so cool! Umm, what can I say, thanks for your contributions, major props to you, I'm a big fan :D

  • @innercityprepper
    @innercityprepper Місяць тому +1

    Seriously one of the best channels on youtube if you like learning stuff, and also learning how to learn stuff.

  • @kenselleck2414
    @kenselleck2414 Місяць тому +2

    Loved the whole series of tests but the cherry on top is the song at the end!

  • @TheoriginalQward
    @TheoriginalQward Місяць тому +3

    Great series, Onto self-guided submarine!

  • @egret203
    @egret203 Місяць тому +7

    This whole series has been *fascinating!* Thank you for putting in all the effort. And congrats to all contestants and the winners.
    Also, your humor is right up my alley! I laughed my arse off with the massive birdshit incident and the super quick "I'm peeing" cut. lol

  • @blakebrady9002
    @blakebrady9002 Місяць тому +2

    US Navy ships use variable pitch propellers, they pitch all the way around allowing the propeller to achieve forward and reverse thrust while only spinning one direction

  • @mkkls
    @mkkls 7 днів тому

    A naval architect here … thank you for a very entertaining and educational test series. You had your facts straight, pretty well understood and clearly explained. Also nice to hear about people eager test their own ideas with openfoam and other cfd tools.
    I cant help thinking about the six digit price figure that a professional test facility would have charged for a similar test campaign.😅

  • @DitchWizardry
    @DitchWizardry Місяць тому +9

    The 'mist' from the cavitation on the APC propeller is probably residual gases other than H2O which are staying in solution with the water as gas when the H2O vapor collapses. That's my theory -- dissolved atmospheric N2, O2, etc., failing to redissolve instantly. You've shaken some of the tiny amount of natural fizz out of the water. 'Fish hate this one trick.'

    • @martindinner3621
      @martindinner3621 Місяць тому +1

      Sounds like a solid theory!

    • @DitchWizardry
      @DitchWizardry Місяць тому +1

      @@martindinner3621 I wanna say it was something the Slowmo Guys or Hydraulic Press Channel were doing with cavitation where I saw the effect, or maybe Mythbusters twenty years ago??

  • @NeverlandSystemZor
    @NeverlandSystemZor Місяць тому

    What I love about this is that it's ingenuity and playing around with ideas by people- THIS is the testing and innovation every hardware should have from passionate and interested users.

  • @solandri69
    @solandri69 Місяць тому +2

    Interesting that the top prop (Friendship Systems x Airshaper) matched my first gut instinct when you started all this. Straight blade near the center where the blade speed relative to the water was slower, swept blade near the tips where the relative speed is higher.
    Also, most of us are used to car motors, where we (mostly) don't have to worry about the motor's peak efficiency RPM. Because it's connected to a transmission that tries to keep the motor in or near that peak RPM range regardless of load or speed. So a boat motor (or plane or RC vehicle motor) introduces new variables which we're not used to from driving a car.

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc Місяць тому

      Funny you should say that, because even with the transmission, car motors are rarely kept at the best fuel efficency range. Throttle opening is much too low and the rpm is also also not optimal, if one thinks about least fuel consumer per watt output. The ECU does what it can of course, but there are significant gains to be had. However, because of how people drive cars and customer demands, there really is little other choice. In general a much smaller capacity engine would be beneficial.

  • @ramble3539
    @ramble3539 Місяць тому +3

    Would be nice to see these props tested on more powerful motors

  • @LB-vf2hm
    @LB-vf2hm Місяць тому +3

    Man, good timing

  • @ktmwalt9430
    @ktmwalt9430 Місяць тому +1

    Appreciated the Battleship New Jersey pic @25:05

  • @MikeyMobes
    @MikeyMobes Місяць тому +4

    i love the b-plot

  • @yoloswaggins2161
    @yoloswaggins2161 Місяць тому +3

    That dude low balled his brother for a drone wtf?

  • @sfllaw
    @sfllaw Місяць тому

    33:40 A legitimate marine application for "variable" pitch propellers are the folding propellers used on sailboats. These unfold when under power, but fold under sail to reduce drag.

  • @KingofArsenal
    @KingofArsenal Місяць тому +1

    Hey there, we are back! This series took me by surprise, but I absolutely love its practical nature. Thanks a lot, this is really awesome!!

  • @higfny
    @higfny Місяць тому +2

    Thanks for a very interesting video.
    A sidenote: I've been involded in some research into noice and marine life. You're correct in saying that most marine mammals don't like noice and might be harmed or driven to beaching (though sonar is way worse), quite a lot of fish is actually attracted to it.
    That does not mean it's healthy for the fish, so the noice should ofc be minimised.
    Oh, and one more thing: We assumed that seismic mapping would be the most harmful to marine life. Turned out it wasn't that big of a deal and produced less response than propellers. Though again, it's easier to test on fish than mammals - my guess is that it will affect mammals, but we did not find ill effects in our studies.

  • @tullgutten
    @tullgutten Місяць тому

    The underwater noise of the props is just amazing how silent some where after the first ones!

  • @we4selradio591
    @we4selradio591 Місяць тому

    the 3d view of those swirls around swirls around swirls all intertwined in motion at 21:55 is beautiful.

  • @terenceblakely4328
    @terenceblakely4328 Місяць тому +1

    Impressed with how much work went into this video, kudos.

  • @reedreamer9518
    @reedreamer9518 Місяць тому

    What's most impressive here is the development of your instrumentation and testing methodology. Very well done.

  • @goldenmongoose1717
    @goldenmongoose1717 Місяць тому

    what I love is that you keep going above and beond with your testing

  • @pauljones9150
    @pauljones9150 Місяць тому +1

    21:30 some of the prettiest underwater prop footage I've seen yet!

  • @cadsonmikael9119
    @cadsonmikael9119 2 дні тому

    Man, this is an amazing series. Like just getting the sense of what is most efficient, low noise and all other fundamentals beginning designing propellers. We had a 10kW motor with a b-series prop on test. I started designing a prop very like the spanmaxxung but with 5 blades and whoa, the system efficiency just went up by 30% on our first try! Now we "just" need to get rid of some apparent tvc.

  • @runescapebanker
    @runescapebanker 2 дні тому

    The lengths you go to w the testing, esp the noise, is truly great. These are awesome vids!

  • @fastmatt711
    @fastmatt711 Місяць тому

    Super fun to watch! I really enjoyed seeing the variety of props tested as well as your commitment to capturing good data.
    I’d love to see a series about ducted props (Kaplan propellers and kort nozzles), as well as submarine style props, which must have some wild engineering and would be cool to explore in detail.

  • @robertstark3326
    @robertstark3326 Місяць тому

    Once again, you have out done yourself. This was such a huge amount of work that you did. I love your ability to see the beauty in those vortices. I used to be involved in this collegiate solar/electric boat competition called Solar Splash. There was a boat from Kanazawa Institute of Technology, Japan that was a hydrofoil. A truly amazing design and its propeller was very much like an airplane prop. They won the competition that year.

    • @YarikJoestar
      @YarikJoestar Місяць тому

      I had no idea I had a tism until this tickles it.

  • @othernaturenate
    @othernaturenate Місяць тому

    Any video with a sea shanty gets my like. Keep up the great soundtracks!

  • @alveolate
    @alveolate Місяць тому

    omg that sea shanty at the end was perfection!
    37:28

  • @StormBurnX
    @StormBurnX Місяць тому

    I think that autonomous solar powered tugboat was one of the first videos I saw from this channel. Absolutely loved it.... even though I live in a desert!

    • @HuierWone
      @HuierWone Місяць тому

      Whoa! Outstanding sequence of research! You are only posting films on a casual basis that include significantly more study than many bachelor theses combined.

  • @vosechu
    @vosechu Місяць тому +2

    Love the exit music!

  • @th3welfarewarrior
    @th3welfarewarrior Місяць тому

    the amount of work for a 30 minute video. Wow. Congratulations.

  • @BeardRubEnjoyer
    @BeardRubEnjoyer Місяць тому +1

    I don't 3D print or use anything with pellers and I couldn't be more excited for these results.

  • @PetePeterson-t6e
    @PetePeterson-t6e Місяць тому +1

    My new favorite part is Daniel's Thoughts From A Weird Vehicle, which airs at @32:20.

  • @GohanKanor
    @GohanKanor Місяць тому +1

    This proves he is working with us to create the most advanced solar-powered tugboat to date.

  • @tomasreznicek8086
    @tomasreznicek8086 Місяць тому +2

    Ah man, the bending! The bane of my existence!
    Maybe 4 blades would work better, to split the load between them and reduce the bending, but whether it would be more or less efficient would probably depend on the motor. But no matter, this was the first time I did this kind of CFD, and I learnt a lot! Luckily, thanks to this competition, I have plenty of data to validate my CFD against, which will allow me to fine-tune my simulations further, and next time I'm coming back for revenge! ... maybe you could get a metal 3d printer for the next round? :)
    Anyway, this comp really was a blast, and I couldn't wait for each episode. I really hope there's more to come in the future, there's more than just my reputation on the line!

  • @TheFudorin
    @TheFudorin Місяць тому

    I am not a RC or boat enthusiast, but I really enjoyed this series! Snagged me with the thumbnail on the first episode!

  • @aaronlocher7059
    @aaronlocher7059 Місяць тому

    I love your videos. Currently finishing my bachelor in material science and engineering and coming across some of the phaenomena you are dealing with. I am so happy to see the somewhat scientific approach you take and explain the different topics and aspects. Looking forward to your next videos and maybe I might be able to submit to the next competition.

  • @fxm5715
    @fxm5715 Місяць тому +1

    Always love your bespoke RCTestflight tunes. Sweet harmony.

  • @ammerudgrenda
    @ammerudgrenda Місяць тому

    I’m an aerospace engineer and commercial pilot…and I give this video 5 stars!
    Keep up the good work 👍

  • @MrStupidPantsEv
    @MrStupidPantsEv Місяць тому +1

    That hole to prevent cupping made me think what would happen if you could let water flow out of that to maybe try to prevent stagnation bubbles behind the hub

  • @CrazyManuel94
    @CrazyManuel94 Місяць тому

    okay the outtro was on another level of cool

  • @emiledwards620
    @emiledwards620 Місяць тому

    Cavitation has a very large effect on sound output from a propeller, and is a function of the blade tip shape and its speed generating enough low pressure to turn water into vapor. The toroidal props and the one with bends at the prop tips are much better at suppressing blade tip cavitation/vortices, which is why they're significantly quieter.
    Cavitation bubbles also eats away at the prop as these vapor bubbles collapse from the surrounding pressure. This can generate small bursts of high heat, which will pit the prop blade.
    Finally, with reduced cavitation, there's fewer higher-pitched tones coming from the propeller, keeping things lower-frequency and closer to the frequency of the prop. This not only makes things quieter overall, but impacting less of the sound spectrum -kind of like a bright red laser vs a full-spectrum search light.
    So it's very cool to get sound tests with these props.

  • @anoirbentanfous
    @anoirbentanfous Місяць тому

    Please continue this approach; I believe it can lead to the development of the most efficient propeller, potentially revolutionizing maritime transportation.

  • @leoarc1061
    @leoarc1061 Місяць тому

    A great lesson showing that there are no magic bullets for efficiency.
    A gentle, high AR design is still the way to go.

  • @SeansLittleBayofHorrors
    @SeansLittleBayofHorrors Місяць тому

    I use an APC 11x8 on my old canoe trolling motor. The lowest setting feels like a strong extra paddler. Perfect when you misjudge the wind.

  • @Mondo_Monchi
    @Mondo_Monchi Місяць тому

    Cool to see this on the #25 trending on UA-cam! This is a kickass series haha

  • @martynridley3671
    @martynridley3671 Місяць тому +1

    I've really enjoyed watching the whole test and your songs are fantastic!

  • @titusm9837
    @titusm9837 Місяць тому

    I watched the competition with lots of hope. This type of content has lots of potential. I consider testing some of the propellers on my airboat

  • @cgsrtkzsytriul
    @cgsrtkzsytriul Місяць тому

    this has become my favorite series on UA-cam

  • @jojo-._.
    @jojo-._. Місяць тому

    That drone guy is awesome!
    Edit: Man I ran out of time yesterday and only watched to like 31 minutes. I think the tug boat tour is the most surpreme form of narrating and giving thoughts, while Daniels POV was very cool to see!

  • @zutai1
    @zutai1 Місяць тому +1

    use the handles on the float as tie points for a short run of rope. in the middle of the short run, tie off a longer run to the boat itself. should pull you straight. adding the solar panels back on with the winning prop for your planned speeds, means you can go out for relaxing runs, and record it for b roll, for your projects :P breaks are important.

  • @sea2side
    @sea2side Місяць тому

    I have no rc experience but like your presentation and science... this prop test series was educational and kinda fun, thankyou

  • @dootanator_
    @dootanator_ Місяць тому +1

    Duel bladed props cause a lot of drag from creating vortexes from the large gat in between the blades.

  • @Giraffe1100uk
    @Giraffe1100uk Місяць тому

    The shanty at the end is on point

  • @coryernewein
    @coryernewein Місяць тому +1

    I would rework the hull to accomodate the camera internally with a window.
    I totally agree that your little camera rig is totally adding drag and changing the images vs the test results.
    Awesome series🤙

  • @atomikvenum
    @atomikvenum Місяць тому

    i have not a shit clue about anything about propellers or boats, but damn if i wasnt glued to the screen for ep 1 and 2, as soon as i saw 3 it was a must watch! thank you for the time and energy you put in these videos dawg you deserve success frfr (my neighbors can hear me audibly cheering for propellers that beat the base lmao)

  • @securus777
    @securus777 Місяць тому

    Your videos are awesome man. Thanks to everyone who worked hard on the designs. Thank you for being so committed to getting as accurate results as you can, even to the point of rerunning tests and discarding what was probably hours of work (the underwater sound). Thank you!

  • @florentinvonfrankenberg7102
    @florentinvonfrankenberg7102 Місяць тому

    As the video was approaching the end I was thinking rather mournfully that you probably wouldn't do more custom music in your videos again. Then I was rewarded with that delightful shanty!

  • @JRDavison
    @JRDavison Місяць тому

    The shanty at the end is sick. Love it.