You know, it's one thing that Denise Crosby regretted her early exit. There are many actors that have rejected or ended roles and later regret it. It's quite another that, as a team, the TNG production was willing to accept her back, and ended up crafting one of the best seasons long plots of the show, starting with one of the best episodes of the show.
I had such a crush on her at around 13/14. I remember the shock when the character died. I think it was perfect writing that it was a meaningless, stupid death. Not everyone gets a huge, dramatic, heroic death. However much they may deserve one.
I remember when Yar died, I was a little kid so this blew my mind. Got to meet Denise probably 10, 11 years ago.The fact that she helped create Sela blew my mind yet again.
@Cliven Longsight oh, I know the story behind it, I mean, what is on imdb of course. Still, at the time it felt rushed, even me as a kid realized it. And then suddenly they manage to bring her for so many nice episodes that is really great to see it
Picard sounds so much more stressed and tired in this timeline. Defeated, even. There were times when he raised his voice in the prime timeline, but there it was always with purposeful energy.
In this warzone timeline he KNOWS what the higher ups wont say - the federation is on the brink of collapse in mere months. The war is going very badly. Picard must be very stressed.
The look on Picard’s face at the very end when she walks out it priceless! He realizes that one of his officers isn’t just asking to die…… they are asking that their life have meaning! Power stuff right there and you can see it on his face!
Sad thing is listening to her daughter talking about it Yar's death was still hollow. Taken as basically a sex slave by a Romulan General and then when she tried to escape she was betrayed by her own daughter.
Given what Picard told Capt Garrett about the state of the war, I don't understand why he'd tell Tasha that she'll live a for a long while in this timeline. Either the Enterprise-D would be destroyed in battle, or she'd be a slave of the Klingons. Might as well send her back.
"Guinan says I died a senseless death... I didn't like the sound of that." Considering that largely happened because of the producers' actions in season 1, it seems the season 3 producers (Berman, Piller, etc.) are speaking through Tasha at that moment.
There's that great moment right after Guinan says they're not supposed to know each other at all. You can see Tasha's thought process: "Wait, what do you mean we're not...Oh"
Bang on until, ya know, they decided to write that she was captured, turned into a sex slave, and murdered by the romulan who made her into his concubine for trying to escape with her daughter. Oof.
I say this without hyperbole, but this is one of the best scenes in ST history, subtle and powerful with top-notch acting....DISCO and Picard writers please take note
To this day I am convinced that the Enterprise should have beaten all three Klingon ships. She would have been heavily damaged perhaps, but she should have won.
@@williampaz2092 They were outnumbered three to one and pinned down defending the Enterprise C. More, the Federation was losing the war. It's never stated, but I think that the Enterprise was carrying hastily repaired battle damage that had been accumulated over months and years. They were nowhere near their full strength, nor did they have their normal power reserves and ammunition stocks. Picard's tactics were very careful and deliberate, conserving his resources for later, when the Enterprise would retreat. When it became obvious that there was no escape, Picard let loose with everything that he had left. The Enterprise D of the prime timeline, in pristine condition and fully stocked, could've overwhelmed the Klingons. The war-weary Enterprise of the war timeline, damaged and with limited reserves, was outmatched.
@@Cailus3542 You also have to figure teh Klingon Weapons and skill levels in the War Time line were a bit better then normal timeline because they were winning
Man, I miss TNG. I miss old school Star Trek. Yes, it could be hit and miss at times, but there was a certain integrity, honesty, intelligence, wisdom and sincerity about its writing and its characters.
There's a timeless truth about it. It's as if we sense the craving for this moral and honest future, we need the hope that it's possible. It represents the best of humanity, while still being human, and the perseverance to solve/beat nearly insurmountable odds while sticking to truth and principle as we see it best fit. In a sense each of us command our own enterprise, our bodies, selves, steer the soul kinda thing. This show had an effect of helping us make a formation of a sort, one where the prime directive AND the command of our own vessel is respected. We seek a flock we haven't seen manifest yet, but strive for. TNG is awesome. Literally, awe inspiring. I'm glad that it exists and that we have something like this as a reminder that integrity of the people is something that IS worth accomplishing
@@GaryCameron Because they wouldn't have existed without it. This temporal incident is a fix point in time and a causal necessity for the survival of the Federation.
When Captain Picard gave Lt Yar permission to transfer to Enterprise “C” and she stood back up, she knew - she KNEW(!) - she had just signed her own death warrant. The look of resignation, acceptance and even fear on her face was heart-rendering. Even worse, she knew her new-found love was also going to die. And she would have to watch that and be unable to help him…
However, it turned out differently, Tasha was not killed - she survived. She fell into captivity, but aroused the pity of a Romulan general, who saved her life and married her. Then in 2345 their daughter Sela was born. In 2348 she tried to escape from Romulus together with Sela. Though, the child screamed so loudly on purpose that the escape failed. Sela could not cope with the betrayal of her mother, because she wanted to stay on Romulus and with her father. Tasha was then executed. With her mother's execution, everything human in Sela died, the only thing that remained was - as she later says herself - Romulan.
Crosby leaving was the best thing for her career at that time. She would still be saying hailing frequency open if she stayed. Troi, Crusher, Geordie didn't get much development or screen time. When she did return she got better written roles.
@@mcmlxxxviimcmxcvi8641 i mean makes sense for what little of a career she had outside of this, and i imagine that the fact that she stepped out just before it was getting good is pretty regretful.
@Jim Well she did survive in that battle to later die on A Romulan Planet..... betrayed by her daughter. Who grows up to interfere in the Klingon civil war
I would love a little more backstory on the El-Aurians... how are they so sensitive to changes in the space/time continuum, why are the Q (pretty much gods) wary of them? And as badass as the Borg are, how were they able to assimilate and destroy a race that the Q wouldn't fuck with!? Or is it only some El-Aurians who have that sort of power? Since Soren didn't seem all that special...?
It's not all El-Aurians, as it is suggested by Guinan that the Q did indeed visit her home world in the past and terrorize it's people. Guinan's power seems derived from the Nexus, something her and a few other select El-Aurians were able to experience. What makes Guinan and Soran different, is Guinan accepted and moved on from her desire to return to the Nexus. Not only that, but it is very heavily implied that she actually possesses some control over her Nexus echo, evidenced by her ability to give the echo memories from outside the Nexus. This control would also imply she is also able to receive things from the Nexus as well. Soran on the other hand, allowed himself to become consumed by his desire to return to the Nexus, essentially, allowing it to control him, rather than him control it.
The third El-Aurian, Martus Mazur (implied to be one of Guinan's sons) never displays any of Guinan's special abilities, aside from "listening". Guinan is unique.
"I do know it was a death without purpose"........... The reminds me of the movie "The 7 Faces of Dr. Lao" in one scene he tells an older woman of her terribly lonely future with the ending "It will be as though you never were born".......
Tasha Yar was so poorly written that I didn't care that she died.....until this episode. Then I was pissed they'd wasted the potential of the character.
@@teemusid Sometimes you meet a person so stupid who says such a stupid thing in a such a self-assured way that it's impossible to respond to them. You're that person today.
Tasha's death may actually be the single greatest development of her character. It gave us episodes like this. In the beginning, it was too many characters without any real direction(writing wasn't at it's prime in the first two season although there are definitely good episodes in each). Although you could imagine what could've been, that in itself should be enough, the show did fine otherwise. One of the best finales imho.
I get your point, but I’ve always felt that Guinan just couldn’t explain In words to a human how she knew and so she went with the “It’s a feeling” route.
It's not exactly a trope. Imagine being an entity that exists outside the normal flow of time, and with an acute knowledge and understanding of the flow of space-time and the timeline you're supposed to be in. Now, imagine you suddenly remember something else, something that doesn't sit right in the brain. When you look around, things are right but not. To Guinan, she can't explain what she doesn't know, but she knows what she knows isn't right.
Imagine someone you know and trust, through some temporal anomaly, tells you that you're not supposed to be alive or at least in the picture and that, in order to fix everything, you have to die or at least go away. Your parents, siblings, friends, significant other, children, pets? No more.
In this Timeline the War is going very badly for the Federation, which is within months of collapse and utter defeat. They have to have lost thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, minimum, and they have to know what the Klingons will do to anyone captured alive who didn't die an "Honourable" death in combat. Picard is an explorer and diplomat at heart, forced by circumstance into a situation where the blood of who knows how many Klingons is on his hands as Captain of the Enterprise, the Federation flagship. There's no telling how many ugly truths or horrors he knows about he's had to keep from his crew, and take note the only person he confides in is the Captain of the Enterprise C. He even argues with Riker and verbally slaps him down, which he never does in the normal timeline. Then Guinan tells him that not only are things not meant to be this way, but that if they manage to reset the Timeline all the death and sacrifice they have suffered through will be for nothing? No wonder he seems so angry and bitter, his whole life has been taken from him in a cause which should never have been. Plus, he's sending the Enterprise C and her crew to their deaths on a suicide mission. Then his Tactical officer volunteers to join the suicide mission on the basis Guinan says she's dead in the "normal" Timeline... Then Tasha's Daughter shows up in the normal Timeline, and it turns out there was never a "normal" to get back to...
Who also screws over the ancient Iconians during time travel, which causes them to supernova Romulus in revenge and then wage a terrible war across the whole galaxy (at least in the STO-Timeline)
It was great to Tasha again and got a better send-off here. She probably could have developed into a decent character had she stayed particularly the legacy episode.
There is so much going on in these short but powerful scenes. This is the ultimate redemption story for Tasha, who heroically and willingly sacrifices her life to save the federation. From dying a senseless death in the former timeline to dying the most honourable death in the new timeline. Yar, Picard, & Castillo acting was masterful. Easily one of the best episodes in all the star treks. This is a keeper scene ❤
How awesome it would have been when Tasha leaves the Ready Room for Picard to say "Au revior, Natasha" like he did when she died in the original timeline.
Tasha Yar's character was terribly written. Deal with it. She didn't know that the show would hire better writers later, but even then, Yar didn't have that much to do and she was kind of a 'story dead end'. The Show was BETTER without her (not because Crosby was bad) but because the writers had no idea what to do with Yar in the first Seasons.
@@Frankie2012channel Rumor back then in 1987 was that Crosby's "indiscretions" ( an adult type film or playboy spread. I cant remember which) did not please Gene Roddenberry, so she was written out of the show. And killed off 5 minutes into her final episode. Her coming back was after Roddenberry's death. Note, this was the rumor at the time.
@@Ellros Never heard that before. I heard that Roddenberry let her out of the contract because she was not satisfied with the role. He understood her concerns and let her out of the contract. If he was not as involved it would have been a different story. I doubt the studio would have allowed her out of the contract.
And then, at that Klingon outpost the Romulans are like "The heck, that weird federation ship we just kicked the shit out of is suddenly back to ~90%. Disable her again and capture any remaining crew." And they also picked up a Starfleet admiral from the year 2409, because the 1701-C made a little detour and got caught by Tholians. Although Sela thought them dead, the surviving crew of the Enterprise C were kept alive on a prison colony until unstable temporal anomalies started killing people.
There are a number of stories around why DC left. Some accounts say it was because she felt the character wasn't getting enough development and she wasn't being listened to, others say it was due to her naked photos she had done with Playboy, and I believe went back to for a time after her stint on TNG. Meh, who knows!
i think she mentioned they gave her just a limited role, just 1 or 2 lines, or just as a background feature. thats why she left, and also she saw the series wasnt going in a good direction, she underestimated how well the series turned out.
4:42 In my opinion, there was a huge missed opportunity to have Tasha dressed in the uniforms of that period, so she would blend in with all the other C crew. Why, you might ask? In the event of capture, surely questions would be asked as to the vastly different uniform…and information about the future and its tech, even from a different temporal universe, might be extremely useful to the Romulans. An earlier uniform could have easily and quickly been fashioned for her by a replicator.
Her uniform isn't super high tech clothing for the period. If anyone survived, they'd be captured and tortured. The Romulans have no reason to suspect she is extremely special.
they could have had her daughter as part of the regular cast and find redemption for what she did to her mother by being a prisoner with the Federation. that would have been a good story
Yeaaaa but she survived in that battle to later die on A Romulan Planet..... betrayed by her daughter. Who grows up to interfere with the Klingon civil war
@@mahaffer71 yeah a very weird twist, especially to think her mother had been raped and stockholm syndrome'd into that position, her daughter even kills her for trying to escape, thats just fucked.
As soon as Enterprise-C gets back to their time, Lt. Yar would vanish, as the restoration of the original timeline would return her to the state of being dead, removing her from that existence.
Natasha Yar claims a senseless death in the other timeline. Let’s avoid the discussion of all death being “senseless” briefly. In this televised account of the journey of the starship enterprise, Tasha Yar was portrayed as having died while confronting a being that was hostile to her crewmates and others. She is now arguing that joining the crew of the Enterprise C would be less “senseless”. I admire her courage and goals. Yet I also recognize that her previous hypothetical death was not “senseless” within the framework of this educational scenario.
If dead or death is " senseless" than life is " senseless" . if I die i hope people will remember me opf my doing, my beeing, and think of the message i spread to all in my life. Be honest, don't lie, don't steal and above all enjoy life
So much of this whole episode would have been so much better fodder for S2 of ST:Picard. How the rift, though dealt with, sent a ripple through the universe that fractures time 30 years later, leading to a multiverse including many more of the characters we've come to know and love. Thats the B story - the A story being the real reason why Q was always mindful of humanity and the real reason Q and Guinan had the relationship they did - the El Aurians were an ancient offshoot of humanity that came from Earth but erased all traces of their mark on that world. Q knew humans had the ability to become like Guinan and her people, and so did Guinan. But they never revealed it until S2 of Picard...ah well.
Gianan creating a temporal incursion while she’s teaching picard how to repair one. Romulan commander Sela is not supposed to exist. Commander Sela obviously influenced events between major galactic powers.
She knew she would die. However, it turned out differently, Tasha was not killed - she survived. She fell into captivity, but aroused the pity of a Romulan general, who saved her life and married her. Then in 2345 their daughter Sela was born. In 2348 she tried to escape from Romulus together with Sela. Though, the child screamed so loudly on purpose that the escape failed. Sela could not cope with the betrayal of her mother, because she wanted to stay on Romulus and with her father. Tasha was then executed. With her mother's execution, everything human in Sela died, the only thing that remained was - as she later says herself - Romulan.
HOT TAKE: I don't believe Denise Crosby regretted her decision to leave TNG. Why? - Because she was frustrated with the lack of screentime and character development that was not being offered to her. Despite repeatedly airing her concerns to the powers that be, nothing was done. And given that the producers did not fight her on this decision to go (and they agreed to let her out of her contract), it was clear the actress was aware that nothing was coming down the pipeline for her on the show hence why she departed the series. Look at it from this perspective, if she were important to the show and its future storylines, they would never have let her leave as she was under contract. Crosby has stated that what she missed was no longer working with her fellow castmates who had all bonded with each other, but she also made it clear that creatively she wasn't fulfilled on TNG.
Truth be known, she made a far bigger impact being killed off and then "brought back" as Tasha's daughter Sela than if she had stayed on to begin with. This created a far more interesting storyline than I'm guessing the writers could have come up with had she stayed.
@@napnip - Had she chosen to continue, I imagine a point would have been reached where either her character or Worf's would have been written out This much is certain, Troi would have been axed after season one as Roddenberry and co were already looking at trimming down the cast feeling that there were too many characters in the show's lineup. Tasha remaining on the show would mean Worf would not have come into prominence like he did since that only happened AFTER she left. In short, Tasha and Worf were too similar to have co-existed side by side for the entire length of TNG's run with one or both characters being impacted. In all probability, Yar would not have made it beyond the end of season two.
I first saw this episode around the year 2000. I kept expecting Lieutenant Shooter McGavin to reveal his treachery at some point. Just a hard face to trust.
At 3:30 I can not tell if there was logic or not in her request. Honestly due to what was know now her choice to go may have helped the federation win the dominion war.
Something I always liked was the idea that hearing that Tasha died was difficult but hearing that she died for nothing was unbearable. Leaving for Enterprise-C wasn’t about living or dying, it was about making a difference.
@@glenndallas7171 I never said Guinan was wrong. I was only referring to alternate timelines being of interest to those interested in the Mandela Effect.
I'm sure a security officer might be more intimately familiar with the ship they are assigned to, but equally sure they'd have adequate knowledge of all the systems on any ship. There has to be contingencies for transfers during wartime or other emergencies where they don't have time to teach someone from the ground up.
Ambassador class starships like the Enterprise C were still widely used and even newly made in the era of TNG and DS9. Barclay had even transferred from one (the NCC-26136 USS Zhukov) to the Enterprise D. It's reasonable to assume her training or service would have required her to be familiar with one at some point.
If only Worf was still tactical officer onboard the Enterprise D in the alternate timeline despite the war with the Klingons, he could've given the Enterprise C crew vital tactical information regarding "ramming speed" to take out at least one of the Romulan warbirds.....the only tactical info Tasha Yar is providing is how to suck face with Lt. Castillo. _"Perhaps today _*_IS_*_ a good day to die!"_
YEa he didnt get that far, but a Romulan did and made her his slave to later die on A Romulan Planet..... betrayed by her daughter. Who grows up to interfere with the Klingon civil war
You know, it's one thing that Denise Crosby regretted her early exit. There are many actors that have rejected or ended roles and later regret it. It's quite another that, as a team, the TNG production was willing to accept her back, and ended up crafting one of the best seasons long plots of the show, starting with one of the best episodes of the show.
She also guest starred to play her own daugther the Romulan commander Sela.
She may regret it but she does not need to. Her portrayal of Natasha Yar made a huge mark on the Star Trek multiverse and will never be forgotten.
I had such a crush on her at around 13/14. I remember the shock when the character died. I think it was perfect writing that it was a meaningless, stupid death. Not everyone gets a huge, dramatic, heroic death. However much they may deserve one.
I got out of that rape gang.
Im glad she left she was horrible and i hated every second of her screentime.
Tasha: "I'd like my death to count for something."
I bet that was Denise Crosby talking about her character, too.
I remember when Yar died, I was a little kid so this blew my mind. Got to meet Denise probably 10, 11 years ago.The fact that she helped create Sela blew my mind yet again.
Gotta love what the writers did with her character after her death. Really well done
@@SusaVile At a time when good writers were the standard.
@Cliven Longsight oh, I know the story behind it, I mean, what is on imdb of course. Still, at the time it felt rushed, even me as a kid realized it. And then suddenly they manage to bring her for so many nice episodes that is really great to see it
She wasn't comfortable with this role and it showed. She would not have been the first actor to have difficulties coping with science-fiction series.
Picard sounds so much more stressed and tired in this timeline. Defeated, even. There were times when he raised his voice in the prime timeline, but there it was always with purposeful energy.
War is hell
Patrick Stewart gave a great performance in this one. Picard is clearly the same person, but shaped differently by a life of harsher experiences.
Yeah his voice changed immediately when the timeline did. Great acting
He sounds so tired of giving those speechs.
In this warzone timeline he KNOWS what the higher ups wont say - the federation is on the brink of collapse in mere months. The war is going very badly. Picard must be very stressed.
The look on Picard’s face at the very end when she walks out it priceless! He realizes that one of his officers isn’t just asking to die…… they are asking that their life have meaning! Power stuff right there and you can see it on his face!
He’s like, “How can I possibly say no.”
Sad thing is listening to her daughter talking about it Yar's death was still hollow. Taken as basically a sex slave by a Romulan General and then when she tried to escape she was betrayed by her own daughter.
Given what Picard told Capt Garrett about the state of the war, I don't understand why he'd tell Tasha that she'll live a for a long while in this timeline. Either the Enterprise-D would be destroyed in battle, or she'd be a slave of the Klingons. Might as well send her back.
This episode always haunted me, its the look in her eyes about the realisation that she is supposed to be dead.
They don’t make TV shows like this anymore, where you feel like a better human being after watching.
"Guinan says I died a senseless death... I didn't like the sound of that." Considering that largely happened because of the producers' actions in season 1, it seems the season 3 producers (Berman, Piller, etc.) are speaking through Tasha at that moment.
Agreed. It's a pretty sick burn.
"This is Captain Shooter McGavin of the USS Enterprise..."
I eat shit like you you Klingons for breakfast!
He never did like losing that game of golf, he even ran off with the jacket. And then he has to deal with his son and the faculty.
@@johnroscoe2406 You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?
There's that great moment right after Guinan says they're not supposed to know each other at all.
You can see Tasha's thought process:
"Wait, what do you mean we're not...Oh"
The era of great script writing
This scene with Guinan has always gotten me in the gut. Perfectly played by both.
What a powerful moment, one of the ones from STNG that actually made me cry.
Is most def was, tashas story ark was very well written and performed. The writers got this one bang on.
Bang on until, ya know, they decided to write that she was captured, turned into a sex slave, and murdered by the romulan who made her into his concubine for trying to escape with her daughter.
Oof.
I say this without hyperbole, but this is one of the best scenes in ST history, subtle and powerful with top-notch acting....DISCO and Picard writers please take note
Good writing was effortless in those days. Now they can't get it right no matter how hard they try
4:45 "Lt. Tasha Yar, reporting for duty sir.."
"Lieutenant, report to my quarters..."
We have an hour while the phaser banks are charging, let me show you my torpedo and I will inspect your rack
See how it lights up 😀!
Absolutely
@MJW tasha?"that is a very small torpedo capt. Where's data time for toys again,like the good old days."
@@williammorris4327 lololol
Apparently the Enterprise-D needed Tasha Yar at tactical given how the final battle went. Riker was a C-student in the honors course.
To this day I am convinced that the Enterprise should have beaten all three Klingon ships. She would have been heavily damaged perhaps, but she should have won.
@@williampaz2092 They were outnumbered three to one and pinned down defending the Enterprise C. More, the Federation was losing the war. It's never stated, but I think that the Enterprise was carrying hastily repaired battle damage that had been accumulated over months and years. They were nowhere near their full strength, nor did they have their normal power reserves and ammunition stocks. Picard's tactics were very careful and deliberate, conserving his resources for later, when the Enterprise would retreat. When it became obvious that there was no escape, Picard let loose with everything that he had left.
The Enterprise D of the prime timeline, in pristine condition and fully stocked, could've overwhelmed the Klingons. The war-weary Enterprise of the war timeline, damaged and with limited reserves, was outmatched.
@@Cailus3542 You also have to figure teh Klingon Weapons and skill levels in the War Time line were a bit better then normal timeline because they were winning
Enterprise was ment to be battle damaged and look warn out. They in a fighting retreat as Klingons push in.
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Man, I miss TNG. I miss old school Star Trek. Yes, it could be hit and miss at times, but there was a certain integrity, honesty, intelligence, wisdom and sincerity about its writing and its characters.
There's a timeless truth about it. It's as if we sense the craving for this moral and honest future, we need the hope that it's possible. It represents the best of humanity, while still being human, and the perseverance to solve/beat nearly insurmountable odds while sticking to truth and principle as we see it best fit.
In a sense each of us command our own enterprise, our bodies, selves, steer the soul kinda thing. This show had an effect of helping us make a formation of a sort, one where the prime directive AND the command of our own vessel is respected. We seek a flock we haven't seen manifest yet, but strive for.
TNG is awesome. Literally, awe inspiring. I'm glad that it exists and that we have something like this as a reminder that integrity of the people is something that IS worth accomplishing
And with one transfer approval, Picard caused the Klingon civil war years later.
DriftZ TwoSeven Half Human, Sela was Tasha’s daughter
But that decision likely prevented the war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.
I'm amazed crewman Daniels and others from the temporal integrity commission weren't showing up at that moment to stop it.
@@GaryCameron Because they wouldn't have existed without it. This temporal incident is a fix point in time and a causal necessity for the survival of the Federation.
... wait a sec, wouldn’t they have extracted a ton of info about the future from her? Was that explained in the episodes with Selu?
When Captain Picard gave Lt Yar permission to transfer to Enterprise “C” and she stood back up, she knew - she KNEW(!) - she had just signed her own death warrant. The look of resignation, acceptance and even fear on her face was heart-rendering. Even worse, she knew her new-found love was also going to die. And she would have to watch that and be unable to help him…
However, it turned out differently, Tasha was not killed - she survived. She fell into captivity, but aroused the pity of a Romulan general, who saved her life and married her. Then in 2345 their daughter Sela was born. In 2348 she tried to escape from Romulus together with Sela. Though, the
child screamed so loudly on purpose that the escape failed. Sela could not cope with the betrayal of her mother, because she wanted to stay on Romulus and with her father. Tasha was then executed. With her mother's execution, everything human in Sela died, the only thing that remained was - as she later says herself - Romulan.
There are worse things than dying for a purpose
@@NeilCWCampbell what purpose is that? producing Sela, a nuisance for the federation for years to come?
@@zedzed5276 when you've seen the relevent episodes get back to me
A symbol of faith for all. The captain of the Federation’s flagship trusting the word and advice of a bartender. That’s who we want to be.
I love the chords of the soundtrack at 1:34 , also the look of "SHIT" on Picard's face when she says "I'm not supposed to be here, sir" at 2:04
Crosby leaving was the best thing for her career at that time. She would still be saying hailing frequency open if she stayed. Troi, Crusher, Geordie didn't get much development or screen time. When she did return she got better written roles.
2:03 That silent scream. Just so many thoughts trying to come out at once.
Definitely one of the best episodes
She was a better actress than what I remembered her for.
Now she mostly appears drunk on conventions... 😬
@@mcmlxxxviimcmxcvi8641 i mean makes sense for what little of a career she had outside of this, and i imagine that the fact that she stepped out just before it was getting good is pretty regretful.
How can the Romulans possibly withstand both Tasha Yar and Shooter McGavin?
@Jim Well she did survive in that battle to later die on A Romulan Planet..... betrayed by her daughter. Who grows up to interfere in the Klingon civil war
@Jim He eats pieces of shit like you for breakfast ;-)
@@kylepederson9420 He eats shit for breakfast?!
@@johnroscoe2406 .....NO!!!
I would love a little more backstory on the El-Aurians... how are they so sensitive to changes in the space/time continuum, why are the Q (pretty much gods) wary of them? And as badass as the Borg are, how were they able to assimilate and destroy a race that the Q wouldn't fuck with!?
Or is it only some El-Aurians who have that sort of power?
Since Soren didn't seem all that special...?
It's not all El-Aurians, as it is suggested by Guinan that the Q did indeed visit her home world in the past and terrorize it's people. Guinan's power seems derived from the Nexus, something her and a few other select El-Aurians were able to experience. What makes Guinan and Soran different, is Guinan accepted and moved on from her desire to return to the Nexus. Not only that, but it is very heavily implied that she actually possesses some control over her Nexus echo, evidenced by her ability to give the echo memories from outside the Nexus. This control would also imply she is also able to receive things from the Nexus as well. Soran on the other hand, allowed himself to become consumed by his desire to return to the Nexus, essentially, allowing it to control him, rather than him control it.
@@ishiioutcasts "They say Time is the fire in which we burn."
The third El-Aurian, Martus Mazur (implied to be one of Guinan's sons) never displays any of Guinan's special abilities, aside from "listening".
Guinan is unique.
@@MikinessAnalog only if were just physical beings... But we are not
Was Soren an El-Aurian?
One of my all time favorite episodes.
And by going back she created an evil half-Romulan hybrid that shows up later!!!
Great lighting on Tasha's face when talking to Picard.
I agree, it makes her look only half as ugly.
@@jl-fy3zj wtf
Imagine Guinan telling you you’re supposed to be dead, & your death was an “empty death, one without purpose”.
One of the best scenes in all of star trek.
"I do know it was a death without purpose"........... The reminds me of the movie "The 7 Faces of Dr. Lao" in one scene he tells an older woman of her terribly lonely future with the ending "It will be as though you never were born".......
Seeing Tasha is bittersweet.
Tasha Yar was so poorly written that I didn't care that she died.....until this episode. Then I was pissed they'd wasted the potential of the character.
It was Denise Crosby's own fault.
@@johnroscoe2406 She was a writer for the show? it's strange seeing as how her IMDB page doesn't list a writing credit.
@@teemusid Sometimes you meet a person so stupid who says such a stupid thing in a such a self-assured way that it's impossible to respond to them. You're that person today.
@@johnroscoe2406 Can you read? Go back and read my original comment. Then look in the mirror.
@@teemusid Denise Crosby decided she needed to be written out of the show because she was mad. Stop being a f****** moron.
Tasha's death may actually be the single greatest development of her character. It gave us episodes like this. In the beginning, it was too many characters without any real direction(writing wasn't at it's prime in the first two season although there are definitely good episodes in each). Although you could imagine what could've been, that in itself should be enough, the show did fine otherwise. One of the best finales imho.
@ryanbaker979 the death of Tasha gave us a new chief of security, Worf. :)
Absolutely. This episode (and those after) made her character great.
4:03 Picard: "lieutenant"... (Oh, nothing I say is going to changer her mind) "Permission granted."
I felt that as well.
She would have gone anyway
1:30 Guinan "but I do know it was an empty death; a death without purpose."
SUBTLE AS A TWO BY FOUR TO THE BRIDGE OF YOUR NOSE THERE yo
That was a low-key jab at Denise.... For that b.s. she did ....
Yeah, I really don’t like how on the nose Guinan manages to be with her vague feelings and premonitions.
@@mrBasketcase69 uh, not really. She wasn't the one that wrote the death.
This always felt like a pretty direct apology for how they killed her off the first time haha.
@@FFKonoko Yup, Denise wrote her own death into the show.
Tasha Yar.. one of my childhood crushes.... her death was so needless!
Such an amazing and powerful show.
I don’t like how Guinan’s “vague feelings” manage to be so on the nose.
I get your point, but I’ve always felt that Guinan just couldn’t explain In words to a human how she knew and so she went with the “It’s a feeling” route.
I think Spike Lee described the trope perfectly.
It's not exactly a trope. Imagine being an entity that exists outside the normal flow of time, and with an acute knowledge and understanding of the flow of space-time and the timeline you're supposed to be in. Now, imagine you suddenly remember something else, something that doesn't sit right in the brain. When you look around, things are right but not. To Guinan, she can't explain what she doesn't know, but she knows what she knows isn't right.
@@valkrae4876 as Spike Lee said, "magic" !
She's a good listener
Imagine someone you know and trust, through some temporal anomaly, tells you that you're not supposed to be alive or at least in the picture and that, in order to fix everything, you have to die or at least go away. Your parents, siblings, friends, significant other, children, pets? No more.
This episode popped up on my recommended yesterday so I ended up having to watch the full episode later that night...
AND SHE SURVIVED THAT BATTLE TO DIE ON A Romulan Planet..... betrayed by her daughter. Who grows up to interfere with the Klingon civil war
In this Timeline the War is going very badly for the Federation, which is within months of collapse and utter defeat. They have to have lost thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, minimum, and they have to know what the Klingons will do to anyone captured alive who didn't die an "Honourable" death in combat. Picard is an explorer and diplomat at heart, forced by circumstance into a situation where the blood of who knows how many Klingons is on his hands as Captain of the Enterprise, the Federation flagship. There's no telling how many ugly truths or horrors he knows about he's had to keep from his crew, and take note the only person he confides in is the Captain of the Enterprise C. He even argues with Riker and verbally slaps him down, which he never does in the normal timeline.
Then Guinan tells him that not only are things not meant to be this way, but that if they manage to reset the Timeline all the death and sacrifice they have suffered through will be for nothing? No wonder he seems so angry and bitter, his whole life has been taken from him in a cause which should never have been. Plus, he's sending the Enterprise C and her crew to their deaths on a suicide mission. Then his Tactical officer volunteers to join the suicide mission on the basis Guinan says she's dead in the "normal" Timeline...
Then Tasha's Daughter shows up in the normal Timeline, and it turns out there was never a "normal" to get back to...
@@Creasy5678 Talk about having a bad day in space. But we love Star Trek regardless.
Her daughter had to choose her father or mother, one of them was being betrayed, she chose her father and home.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark well i dont think she was willing to have a child. Was a prisoner of war and probably turned into a slave
Who also screws over the ancient Iconians during time travel, which causes them to supernova Romulus in revenge and then wage a terrible war across the whole galaxy (at least in the STO-Timeline)
0:05 Transporter chief standing there like …
The WRITING though!! Fuck this dialogue is like crack!
It was great to Tasha again and got a better send-off here. She probably could have developed into a decent character had she stayed particularly the legacy episode.
Do you know how?
Yeah some slime thing zapped you for a laugh
I love great writing to tell a great story!
There is so much going on in these short but powerful scenes. This is the ultimate redemption story for Tasha, who heroically and willingly sacrifices her life to save the federation. From dying a senseless death in the former timeline to dying the most honourable death in the new timeline. Yar, Picard, & Castillo acting was masterful. Easily one of the best episodes in all the star treks. This is a keeper scene ❤
That Cool Show and that Great Episode my friends. Thanks.
The makers of new Trek should watch this episode and hang their heads in shame.
1:06 That facial expression alone… oof.
Denise Crosby also played Tasha's daughter.
Coolest plot twist in Star Trek ever.
This timeline was probably not going to have a Dominion War? 😂
How awesome it would have been when Tasha leaves the Ready Room for Picard to say "Au revior, Natasha" like he did when she died in the original timeline.
Picard in this timeline didn't have the luxury of being sentimental.
Crosby killed it in this episode.
This time Shooter McGavin gets the girl.
SHOOTER!
God Dammit Denise why'd you have to quit the show
Tasha Yar's character was terribly written. Deal with it. She didn't know that the show would hire better writers later, but even then, Yar didn't have that much to do and she was kind of a 'story dead end'. The Show was BETTER without her (not because Crosby was bad) but because the writers had no idea what to do with Yar in the first Seasons.
Work constantly got his ass handed to him, probably a woman in that position would have been written to beat up the bad guys.
Worf was a better security officer anyway
@@Frankie2012channel Rumor back then in 1987 was that Crosby's "indiscretions" ( an adult type film or playboy spread. I cant remember which) did not please Gene Roddenberry, so she was written out of the show. And killed off 5 minutes into her final episode. Her coming back was after Roddenberry's death. Note, this was the rumor at the time.
@@Ellros Never heard that before. I heard that Roddenberry let her out of the contract because she was not satisfied with the role. He understood her concerns and let her out of the contract. If he was not as involved it would have been a different story. I doubt the studio would have allowed her out of the contract.
Such a good episode
And then, at that Klingon outpost the Romulans are like "The heck, that weird federation ship we just kicked the shit out of is suddenly back to ~90%. Disable her again and capture any remaining crew."
And they also picked up a Starfleet admiral from the year 2409, because the 1701-C made a little detour and got caught by Tholians. Although Sela thought them dead, the surviving crew of the Enterprise C were kept alive on a prison colony until unstable temporal anomalies started killing people.
...all because Denise Crosby regretted bailing on TNG in season 1.
There are a number of stories around why DC left. Some accounts say it was because she felt the character wasn't getting enough development and she wasn't being listened to, others say it was due to her naked photos she had done with Playboy, and I believe went back to for a time after her stint on TNG. Meh, who knows!
@@bobpage6597 when she left TNG was pretty lame and didn't show ANY sign of becoming a classic series someday. i really don't blame her for bailing.
Kevin Thomas
I certainly didn’t like the series at the time. You’re right
Benjamin Knotts TNG is considered one of the greatest sci fi shows of all time today BUT it didn’t start out that way!
i think she mentioned they gave her just a limited role, just 1 or 2 lines, or just as a background feature. thats why she left, and also she saw the series wasnt going in a good direction, she underestimated how well the series turned out.
4:42 In my opinion, there was a huge missed opportunity to have Tasha dressed in the uniforms of that period, so she would blend in with all the other C crew. Why, you might ask? In the event of capture, surely questions would be asked as to the vastly different uniform…and information about the future and its tech, even from a different temporal universe, might be extremely useful to the Romulans. An earlier uniform could have easily and quickly been fashioned for her by a replicator.
Her uniform isn't super high tech clothing for the period. If anyone survived, they'd be captured and tortured. The Romulans have no reason to suspect she is extremely special.
@@DesignIncase except for the high-tech subspace transciever and computer pinned to her chest...
Meh, what are the chances that she would be captured alive by the Romulans... :p
@@chinareds54she was though. A sympathetic Romulan married her and produced Sela, a daughter who betrayed her and wanted to destroy the Federation
@@JohnS-il1dr I *thought* I made my sarcasm obvious but I guess tone is hard to communicate in text. :p
they could have had her daughter as part of the regular cast and find redemption for what she did to her mother by being a prisoner with the Federation. that would have been a good story
We all know too well it is Shooter Mcgavin's fault.
Such a good episode. Redeemed what they did to Tasha.
Yeaaaa but she survived in that battle to later die on A Romulan Planet..... betrayed by her daughter. Who grows up to interfere with the Klingon civil war
@@mahaffer71 yeah a very weird twist, especially to think her mother had been raped and stockholm syndrome'd into that position, her daughter even kills her for trying to escape, thats just fucked.
Only for it to later be revealed by Sela that she ultimately STILL died for nothing.
I never new Tasha had such a cute voice in English.
As soon as Enterprise-C gets back to their time, Lt. Yar would vanish, as the restoration of the original timeline would return her to the state of being dead, removing her from that existence.
Natasha Yar claims a senseless death in the other timeline. Let’s avoid the discussion of all death being “senseless” briefly. In this televised account of the journey of the starship enterprise, Tasha Yar was portrayed as having died while confronting a being that was hostile to her crewmates and others. She is now arguing that joining the crew of the Enterprise C would be less “senseless”. I admire her courage and goals. Yet I also recognize that her previous hypothetical death was not “senseless” within the framework of this educational scenario.
She was got in the back for the fun of it by some oil-creature...
If dead or death is " senseless" than life is " senseless" . if I die i hope people will remember me opf my doing, my beeing, and think of the message i spread to all in my life. Be honest, don't lie, don't steal and above all enjoy life
So much of this whole episode would have been so much better fodder for S2 of ST:Picard. How the rift, though dealt with, sent a ripple through the universe that fractures time 30 years later, leading to a multiverse including many more of the characters we've come to know and love. Thats the B story - the A story being the real reason why Q was always mindful of humanity and the real reason Q and Guinan had the relationship they did - the El Aurians were an ancient offshoot of humanity that came from Earth but erased all traces of their mark on that world. Q knew humans had the ability to become like Guinan and her people, and so did Guinan. But they never revealed it until S2 of Picard...ah well.
I guess I picked the wrong day to quit chopping onions.
Shooter jealous of that Gold Jacket
Tasha was an awesome character--she was just not given too many opportunities to show it--just like Wesley. This and Sela shows what could have been.
This one makes me feel like ensign Ro was almost what Tasha's role was supposed to be
Shooter !!! Gettin some on the Enterprise.....
Gianan creating a temporal incursion while she’s teaching picard how to repair one. Romulan commander Sela is not supposed to exist. Commander Sela obviously influenced events between major galactic powers.
She knew she would die. However, it turned out differently, Tasha was not killed - she survived. She fell into captivity, but aroused the pity of a Romulan general, who saved her life and married her. Then in 2345 their daughter Sela was born. In 2348 she tried to escape from Romulus together with Sela. Though, the
child screamed so loudly on purpose that the escape failed. Sela could not cope with the betrayal of her mother, because she wanted to stay on Romulus and with her father. Tasha was then executed. With her mother's execution, everything human in Sela died, the only thing that remained was - as she later says herself - Romulan.
HOT TAKE: I don't believe Denise Crosby regretted her decision to leave TNG. Why? - Because she was frustrated with the lack of screentime and character development that was not being offered to her. Despite repeatedly airing her concerns to the powers that be, nothing was done.
And given that the producers did not fight her on this decision to go (and they agreed to let her out of her contract), it was clear the actress was aware that nothing was coming down the pipeline for her on the show hence why she departed the series. Look at it from this perspective, if she were important to the show and its future storylines, they would never have let her leave as she was under contract.
Crosby has stated that what she missed was no longer working with her fellow castmates who had all bonded with each other, but she also made it clear that creatively she wasn't fulfilled on TNG.
Truth be known, she made a far bigger impact being killed off and then "brought back" as Tasha's daughter Sela than if she had stayed on to begin with. This created a far more interesting storyline than I'm guessing the writers could have come up with had she stayed.
@@napnip - Had she chosen to continue, I imagine a point would have been reached where either her character or Worf's would have been written out
This much is certain, Troi would have been axed after season one as Roddenberry and co were already looking at trimming down the cast feeling that there were too many characters in the show's lineup.
Tasha remaining on the show would mean Worf would not have come into prominence like he did since that only happened AFTER she left.
In short, Tasha and Worf were too similar to have co-existed side by side for the entire length of TNG's run with one or both characters being impacted. In all probability, Yar would not have made it beyond the end of season two.
I first saw this episode around the year 2000. I kept expecting Lieutenant Shooter McGavin to reveal his treachery at some point. Just a hard face to trust.
yeah, i agree his is a hard face to trust. also, rumor has it that guy eats pieces of shit for breakfast.
I never noticed that he didn't have a com badge the entire episode
Who?
Castillo: You're not part of my crew.
Tasha: I am now.
First Officer Mcgavin.
At 3:30 I can not tell if there was logic or not in her request. Honestly due to what was know now her choice to go may have helped the federation win the dominion war.
This episode always makes me cry. It must be because of dying for a greater good.
I just realized. Watching these clips is better than watching Picard.
Slamming your hand in a car door is better than Picard.
Something I always liked was the idea that hearing that Tasha died was difficult but hearing that she died for nothing was unbearable.
Leaving for Enterprise-C wasn’t about living or dying, it was about making a difference.
Natasha Yar Said she supposed to be dead
1:55 "Whatchoo talkin bout now?" LOL
The origin of Sela.
Yesterday's Enterprise is a great episode for Star Trek fans interested in the Mandela Effect.
Why? Guinan wasn't wrong. I don't think the Mandela Effect applies here.
@@glenndallas7171 I never said Guinan was wrong. I was only referring to alternate timelines being of interest to those interested in the Mandela Effect.
When Star Trek was meaningful and was about characters and philosophy. Long time ago.
It still is if you bother to actually pay attention.
1:27 Guinan Q... playing with the peons, manipulating the stage!
Then she realizes she is completely unfamiliar with that ship.
Isn't there a throwaway line in the episode where she implies she knows how to handle the controls?
I'm sure a security officer might be more intimately familiar with the ship they are assigned to, but equally sure they'd have adequate knowledge of all the systems on any ship. There has to be contingencies for transfers during wartime or other emergencies where they don't have time to teach someone from the ground up.
Ambassador class starships like the Enterprise C were still widely used and even newly made in the era of TNG and DS9. Barclay had even transferred from one (the NCC-26136 USS Zhukov) to the Enterprise D. It's reasonable to assume her training or service would have required her to be familiar with one at some point.
BRYLCREEM CREATINE AND A BAG OF COL KAI EINE
He walked up to her and the end of that clip like he was about to eat her.
Happy Gilmore will NOT be pleased 🏌♂️
If only Worf was still tactical officer onboard the Enterprise D in the alternate timeline despite the war with the Klingons, he could've given the Enterprise C crew vital tactical information regarding "ramming speed" to take out at least one of the Romulan warbirds.....the only tactical info Tasha Yar is providing is how to suck face with Lt. Castillo. _"Perhaps today _*_IS_*_ a good day to die!"_
Imagine running your own ship, and your bartender convinces someone to kill themself. And you're like "OK, permission granted."
best episode of TNG
Looks like this is "Shooter's Tour".
Shooter McGaven scores with Tasha Bang Bang!
YEa he didnt get that far, but a Romulan did and made her his slave to later die on A Romulan Planet..... betrayed by her daughter. Who grows up to interfere with the Klingon civil war
Everybody was in love with Tasha Yar. How could you not be, if you were a guy in those days?
happy Gilmore that's where he is from
Tasha decided to go with them, and at that moment the captain knew it was finally Shooter's turn.