Too Much Protein Is Bad For You!?
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"how can you go through your life not jacked?"
That got a hearty chuckle out of me.
Yesssss this dude is hilarious lol
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"The answer is pretty normally"
Pics if genitals
I got some blood work done for a company checkup. At the review the Dr said “hmm Urea and creatinine is raised”. Yep, I’m eating 175g protein per day, says I. “Any chance you could eat less?” He says. I reply: Nope. Got to get huge. He takes a pause, then says: “fair enough. Drink a bit more water and have at it!”. It’s nice to find a Doctor that understands 😂
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Bro Same haha. I got some blood work done at the police-doctor of my Departement and got the same results as you. Though she doesn’t know how to do her job - I had to go to the nephrologist otherwise I would get problems in terms of „ability to work“.
Luckily, the nephrologist knew that the high protein diet causes a higher creatinine level. But I had all that stress and time effort because a studied medical (!) said the high creatinine is harming my body…
Sams here lol I'm happy that I'm not the only one. I see a few on here with the same thing.
I started going to the gym again a year ago or so and eat a LOT of protein now and take creatine, and for the first time in MANY years all my blood levels are excellent!
My doctor told me theres no reason for a blood test unless im using steroids, and to stop taking the steroids i dont take. Haven't been back to that doctor.
My family often complained that I was eating to much protein and doing the "workout with too heavy weights". Years later when their hips and knees are failing and cannot get themselves off the floor, guess who they call? Me, the heavy weight lifter guy...
They don’t care until it’s too late and they are forced to
Why bother helping when they’ve got it all figured out 🤷🏻♂️
Fantasizing about your family being incapacitated is something you should talk about with a licensed therapist.
@@markpozsar5785 Hu? That is a wild take on what he said.
All the seniors that I know that have their hips, knees and other joints messed up are in fact the weight lifters. Gardeners and berry pickers have no trouble moving at 80+ though.
For those that are worried about their kidneys, next time on your bloodwork get what is called a cystatin-C test. It is an excellent kidney function test and best of all it is not really affected by training, diet, supplements, or muscle mass and will give you the most accurate estimate of how your kidneys are functioning regardless of other factors.
I did not know this! I’ll take your word for it as of rn
@@yodamaster757 😂😂
I actually came on here to make this comment. Great job!
You can also ask for them to test for microalbumin. It’s an add-on to a standard urinalysis, checking to see if there are small molecular pieces of proteins filtering through your urine, which would be an early sign of kidney dysfunction that would precede any changes in standard blood testing. It’s covered by most insurances, and it’s a fairly common test.
Creatnine
people saying protein is bad for kidney or liver probably drink alcohol regularly but won't see a problem with that
Probably so, although we really do not need as much of it as we like to think sometimes. It's also not helpful for inflammation/arthritis, which I'd be more concerned with personally than kidneys or liver. My kidneys and liver are fine, my joints not so much lol.
Yea like i get lectured about my food from someone who smokes 5 cigarettes every break. Damn care for yourself. 😅
Imagine I don't drink alcohol..so now what? Lol. You a fool
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 depends what kind of protein. eggs and beef helped my inflammation. i always eat beef rare or med.
Most people don't even work on their own diet but then come up with tips from some tik tok video
I'm 42, I was born with one kidney. I see my nephrologist once a year and my bloodwork always looks good. At my last appointment I told her I had been supplementing whey protein to achieve 1gr per pound of weight. She said that was fine. Its worth mentioning she wieght trains 6 days a week and understands what protein means to people like us
She also said creatine would be safe. For the last 3 months I've had my bloodwork checked to see what the combination of creatine and higher protein would do to my kidney. Everything looks good. Kidney function is normal and I feel great. Thanks for the BS videos, there awesome!!!
Thanks for sharing! Great to hear and super helpful to know. That’s a good nephrologist you have.
I have 1 healthy kidney, and the other had been atrophied since childhood. My doctor asked me to not go over 110g to be safe. I weigh 90 kg.
@Fen That's really dependent on body weight. If you weigh 140 lbs, sure.
To be fair. Bloodwork will only show kidney damage if it's relatively late stage. One would need a urinary analysis to really see what's going on.
I also get a urinalysis every month. My lab work is always pristine
I found this channel about 2.5 years ago and immediately turned the notifications on - it has absolutely, drastically changed my life for the better.
Have you received those pictures yet ? 🥴
@@jackiealv6547 No, I think you have to be on the forum for that, and I think that costs money. Tax returns coming up though.... 😃
@@shmuckling I’ll pass on that 😁
Same
Watching this while eating a kidney killing level of protein.
Watching this while eating a bowl of kidney beans
@Hani wait. So kidney beans aren't the kidneys of tiny hobbit people? I've been lied to.
@@pureruckuspower2165 no, they are the tiny kidneys of the tiny cows of the tiny hobbit people. Why would we eat the tiny people? That sounds totally crazy.
@@akbananachucker2441is that actually short pig?
Look up the symptoms of too much protein.
That liver impression is pretty accurate I have admit ,had me Rollin 😂😂😂
honestly it killlled me hahaha
Seth rollin
“I remember when Mike was putting out tons of great content on RP and his Making Progress channel was getting started. Those were the good days.”
It’s hard to recognize how great something is/ was until it’s beyond its peak. I don’t see how things can get any better, so I’m just going to appreciate them now. Even if things stay basically the same, Mike will soon be too popular to read our comments. I’m grateful for what we have and I want you all to be too.
Imagine if he read this just to make a shitpost about comments?
I don’t understand your comment. Sure there’s only so many things to talk about for a given topic but the content is still great.
An online audience is a moving crowd, and even then, people who’ve been around for a while can still often find points that were covered in the past useful reminders
@@eagleeyemind4800 The quotes are someone speaking in the future. I got a little too artistic with it. Sorry.
It will be a sad day when the channel gets cancelled for saying it's safe to eat animal products as the world continues to lose its mind in ideology, and we end up all hanging out with Shawn Baker, Layne Norton and Dom D'Agastino together wondering what went wrong as King Gregor reigns supreme.
@@imsorrythankyouplease7613 you spelled autistic wrong
Your sense of humor is spectacularly dry and unexpected. The information you present is fabulous too, but the delivery of facts and ironic humor at the same time is pure gold. I look forward to every video.
With all my health problems I'd look like a zombie without all the protein and I definitely wouldn't be able to train at all.
Which is what?
@@epicbehavior What specific question are you asking?
@@Jamie0175 Health problems.
@@epicbehavior Mast cell syndrome; lactose and maltose intolerance; xanthomatosis. It's like being allergic to everything. Being tired all the time. There's about 9 things left I can eat and I still get symptoms. Without lactose free milk and whey-isolate powder, I'd be done for.
@@Jamie0175 Sorry to hear that, are there immunosuppressants you take?
The issue is, the people that are giving the ''prOteiN BaD'' advice, always look like they need more protein!
Make sense. Thay not educated in nutrition and probably in exercise so they missing important part of "healthy lifestile" so thay look like that.
@@Flahtort for sure.
2. My doctor told me - most doctors and nurses receive VERY little education on nutrition as part of their programs in school. And most of what they'll tell you is stuff that's been disproven by modern studies...like fat and protein are bad for you, eat carbs, etc.
Or things like "Insulin is what makes you fat." It has nothing to do with over-eating.
It's true. Most general doctors don't know shit about macros /serving sizes/ supps, etc.
I'll bet that a top bodybuilding coach knows more about nutrition than a doctor
Haha not even a top. Unless they make it there mission to learn but most don’t
@@Ryan_DeWitt Even bodybuilders still repeat this today
My father is a diabetic and has dialysis 3 times a week due to kidney failure. He has to have a special blend smoothie every morning with a product called Nepro HP (complete renal nutrition), which is basically a high protein multivitamin drink added to the smoothie.
I believe that drink restores 50 Hit Points
@@DILFDylF pfft 😂
Hey Mike, love the content you put out there. May I ask you a question you don't typically get..
I'm sure you've heard about Rich Piana's “feeder workouts”. While I definitely don't agree with everything he had to say, I think he does have some good points with this one and tons of people swear it works. What I'm referring to, is hitting a muscle with very light weight (less than 30% of your 1RM) for 50+ reps for a couple of sets once or twice per day, preferably after meals, in order to improve nutrient uptake and speed up recovery. Keeping in mind that only a 10 minute walk after a meal drastically improves insulin sensitivity inside the muscle cells, this could have some legitimate benefits for weak body parts, provided that all other variables like training, nutrition and pharmacology are all in place and you're not overstimulating the muscles so you don't actually impede recovery.
Obviously, there aren't any studies done on this topic, so everything's just theory, but I'd like to know your thoughts.
For someone who's trying to optimize everything he can, it's just hard to believe that the best thing you can do after having a meal is to sit down and do nothing.
Maybe you can make a video about it. I'm sure others are interested as well
I feel like it has something to do with fascia.
@@user-he4ef9br7z what makes you think it has something to do with fascia? Are you thinking about Hany Rambod’s fascia stretch training aka FST-7?
Hey, Dr. Mike. In the recent past, I completed a Protein Sparing Modified Fast (I needed to lose 10+ BMI to qualify for a Birmingham Hip Resurfacing - saved my life!) According to my bariatric surgeon, this diet must be supervised by a physician and a nutritionist. At first, he refused to prescribe the PSMF because people can't stay with it, but I convinced him that I was different and totally committed to the process (my hip was KILLING me) I was restricted to 800 calories of lean protein, a day. I could also consume leafy greens and low sugar dressing. I was permitted to use low calorie flavor enhancers. I had to take prescription amounts of potassium, as well as supplements of magnesium, calcium and vitamin D, in addition to drinking at least 64 ounces of electrolyte water daily.
This process induced benign dietary ketosis and I lost 80 pounds in 90 days.
How is this different than the protein consumption you are discussing in this video?
Asking for a friend...
Love you and Renaissance Periodization!
Congrats! 80 pounds is amazing in any amount of time, but in 90 days is even more amazing! Do you happen to remember the amounts of potassium, magnesium, calcium, and vitamin D you had to take each day? And/or the electrolyte recipe? Would appreciate it a lot :)
0:28 - "Im eating a lot of protein so i can build muscle and have more friends" 😂😂😂
I subbed to this channel when it had 40k subscribers, some 3 years ago and now it's almost 500k. I'm really glad to see it got the recognition it truly deserves and hope it will go beyond 1 mil.
Also, doc Mike is hilarious as always.
that's a fine example of exponential growth.
For the metrically inclined: 1kg = 2.2 lbs. so 1g/pound = 2.2g/kg. Or just 2g/kg to simplify
So the .6-.7g suggestion is just like 1.5g/kg
For maximum longevity the research would indicate that it's not just lower protein intakes but actual calorie restriction that is key. The way to live the longest life possible - assuming you don't die from malnutrition or physical trauma - seems to be simply being the skinniest you can be. And I don't mean leanest, I mean skinniest. Low protein, low carbs, low fat, low IGF-1, low mTOR it seems like the research is pointing at all of those in a nutshell if maximum longevity is the goal.
To each his own but I'd rather live till 80 strong and fit than live 'till 90 and be a scrawny weakling my whole life.
That liver accent! 😆 🤣 😂 @ 2:12
I just had like 200 g of black beans and a grilled chicken sandwich. My kidneys will hate me
At this point, Dr Mike is THE smartest, THE funniest youtuber, not just with respect to the fitness community but in totality. Awesome!
Agreed, I can’t think of anyone else at his level of mastery on the subject. Mike shared so much great info I’d even say he’s almost too kind for his own good. I’m very grateful to him and RP, will be donating when finances are in order
I aspire to have someone praise me this hard
He’s just logical and uses actual data and evidenced based information and breaks it down into absorbable bits… it’s the professor in him! I absolutely love him
No homo but maybe
Not if he keeps pushing his 3 reps from failure for gains BS.
@@jamesrobertson5370What is wrong with it?
I had this discussion so many times. I tell people the truth about how I eat, and they make stupid comments about how unhealthy eating that much protein is. These people do drugs in the clubs every weekend and it sweets all day, they haven't done ANY sports for years. Meanwhile I don't do drugs, barely have a drink every couple weeks, and I eat really healthy, sure alot of meat, but also loads of greens and fruit. Btw I'm not even enhanced, so there is nothing unhealthy about my lifestyle. IT'S INFURIATING.
Reminds me of my sister's stupid scrawyn vegetarian friends back in high school who for some reason expected me to look sickly when they heard that I ate almost only meat. "Uh you're the ones who look like a strong breeze would break your spines."
Most people don't care about facts or the truth. It sucks but that's how most people are.
It's pretty tough to know if you're doing everything right nowadays. So many chemicals and pesticides and other junk. I just eat healthy and workout regularly. Not focused on gaining tons of mass, just like to get some sweat and autophagy in everyday. Figure that'll help my liver get rid of the bad stuff in the food I eat.
Give up the drink, drugs are better for you and they don't fuck your recovery like drink does. (Drug dependent ofc)
to be fair, if you're getting 120+ grams of protein from meat then you are probably taking in too much saturated fat, if it's red or processed meat then it is also not the healthiest choice
I just found you recently and I'm enjoying the fact that someone with your expertise is coming in and actually picking apart the non-sense that we've been told in our lives. So much bad advice out there with no backing.
I often find the people who said their doctor said it was bad actually just asked their doctor and the doctor said potentially if you eat too much. Then the patient just said ah yes so high protein is bad because they didn’t bother to ask how much is too much
instructions unclear, i just ate my own liver.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Protein is needed to make glutathione, the most powerful antioxidant in the body, hence mechanistically a higher protein diet should IMPROVE longevity.
Plus, the older you get, the more protein you need to coax the body to stop breaking down muscle. A LOT of old people become so frail and insulin resistant from lack of protein and exercise
Too much can cause cancer.
@@gilberttorres8 maybe, but its a hypothesis I can get behind, it makes sense to me. I don't believe its fact just yet though.
There's more that'll kill you than just those oxidants. Don't hate on the oxidants, they aren't THAT bad ☺
@@gilberttorres8 lmfao ok dude
Love your videos brother! Funny & super informative
_The thing is that good kidneys can become bad kidneys_ - my doctor.
Protein intake is overrated, and I find Stanford professor Chris Gardner’s thumb rule much more compelling: to gain 10kg of pure muscle in one year (about the best case even for a newbie) that is known to be 70% water, you need 3000 grams of amino acids, which is less than 10 grams/day above maintenance, or ~20 additional grams/day if we round it up generously to account for repair of damaged muscle fibers.
I don’t know how to explain RCTs that show small gains in hypertrophy even well beyond ~0.8 grams/day/lb body weight, but those gains are small anyway and probably relevant only to advanced lifters if at all.
I think a very interesting video topic would be strength training for other sports (basketball, wrestling etc). Ie how to make a program to increase general strength, but not to have it tire you so much you cant do your primary sport well. And also what exercises would be good, and the rep ranges
I think experts are now saying the longevity loss is rewarded with a higher longevity gain because muscle mass is such a powerful predictor of longevity more so that excess protien is a negative. Loose 1 point gain 4 kind of deal.
Jersey Liver 😂😂
Having grown up in New Jersey, this is an accurate rendition
Your humor is awesome. Never change 👍
Would be interested in Dr. Mike's take on longevity studies, where protein, especially methionine and lysine, are speculated to being potentially detrimental to long term health.
“Potentially detrimental to long term health”. That’s the nebulous bullshit. Let me guess, kidneys and liver, just something to do with them in general and your health just gets worse
Like he said, just eat less protein if you’re worried about it. Personally I don’t eat as much as he recommends simply because I don’t force feed. I eat for pleasure. For me that ends up being about 0.7g per pound of body weight per day. At 42 years old I’m the most jacked dude in my cohort so I guess that’s plenty.
He talks about it around 5 min
Came for the information, stayed for the improve! Masterful!
PLEASE do a video on the raw fruitarian people who claim "protein is a myth"
Id like to see this too. It's mostly fruitarians that say protein is bad.
Dr. Mike I need an impersonator video, your many accents are cool AF and so damn accurate 😂😂😂 the Russian, Irish, Boston and Jersey accents are my favs ❤
I had to read some wildland firefighting Material recently. Had me cracking up in the nutrition section reading stuff like overdosing on protein hurting your liver and never eating red meat two days in a row
About the mTOR I'd say if you don't have enough muscle mass yet, then getting muscle mass and a heathy bulking diet adds more to longevity and health (hormones, better life and mood, and don't forget AMPK activation with training which is another important longevity pathway, and also Sirtuin 1-7 activation with training and certain foods).
After having sufficient muscle mass, a strict intermittent fasting strategy down-regulates mTOR decently, but in order to get the full effect of inactive mTOR occasionally you need to fast for 2-3 days. It's impossible to do for most people, that's why people who want to get both longevity and muscle gain benefits, tend to experiment with fasting-mimicking diets like keto. But being on keto and training requires a unique mindset, lifestyle and training program to follow. Huge calorie intake, mostly fats, max 3x a week resistance training, but the optimal for longevity is 2x which results in a very slow muscle growth or stagnation. Conclusion: an average person probably can't do 'huge gains fast' and longevity together, prioritize one.
Doesn’t protein utilization/ uptake decrease in older adults(55-90)? would it benefit these people to take in slightly more protein in order to maximize anabolism?
Yes.
Maximizing anabolism lowers longevity.
@@soonahero Even if it did slightly I would rather live a bit shorter, quality life vs a long and less quality life.
@@Ryan_DeWitt that’s because you’re a loser
Mostly agree but isn’t there more merit to higher protein in old age to retain muscle which is associated with improved longevity. If anything you would want to eat low protein when young and increase it as you age to maximise longevity.
Almost no doctors in the US have any nutritional training. Most students of human medicine in the US take no classes in human nutrition at all. Zero, zip, nada. We are always counseled to "talk to your doctor", but, in all seriousness, from the standpoint of acquiring useful nutrition and other lifestyle information, talking to your doctor is not all that different from talking to your cat, except, of course, for the expense. Talking to your cat provides even greater benefit because it's free.
The month I turned 60 (years ago) I wanted a personal fitness challenge, and I decided to do 200 pushups a day for a month. During a checkup I mentioned this to my family physician and he told me not to do it. I was too old. I would ruin my shoulders and elbows. I was almost three weeks into doing those 200 pushups a day with no undesirable affects. His response was just more evidence that, in general, aside from acute conditions, doctors are of little benefit to healthy fit people. Chatting with your doctor about your diet and your activity/exercise/workout regimen is, most often, a waste of time. Nonetheless, we are still constantly told to consult them when changing our diets or beginning an exercise routine.
Dying at 85 and jacked, or die at 95 looking like Ghandi.
85 jacked I don’t want to be 95 lol
If you're 85 and jacked you're probably also having a lot of fun in your life
Why…😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly, at 85 I probably wouldn't care am I jacked or not, lol. Just healthy as possible is a goal
You mentioned that being jacked and eating a lot of protein may have a small negative impact on longevity. Can you make a video about that specifically?
The main impact against longevity is from animal protein. ua-cam.com/video/GoEpGwAJZNA/v-deo.html
Well, im a healthy indivudual with 2 functioning kidneys. Got mulitple blood tests done since i started lifitng, and after a while the indicators for kindeyfunctions and health has been pushed to the upper limit, directly correlating with my protein intake. Granted, i was on a harsh cut and 2.1g/kg of total bodyweight (not lean), so I was pushing the envelope a bit, but still nowhere an unreasonable amount. Dialed back my protein intake to 1.6g/kg lean mass, and currently waiting for the next bloodwork results to come in. So I do think high amount of protein, over a long period of time (in my case 6 months) influences the kindneys in a way. Just would stick 2.0g/lean kg as the upper limit for myself from now on. No beneftits beyond that anyways, which most studies i have ssen so far confirm.
2 livers? Cool.
Upd
Oh you talked about kidneys i guess
@Flahtort thanks for the heads up :) meant kidneys of cause^^ he was on the liver topic in the video while writing that.
Also, all other biomarkers where absolutely golden, just the kidneys stood out to me
@@Caffeine.And.Carvings , also! Maybe it because not of protein intake but about "harsh cut" you mentioned? And your organism basically need to adapt to new bodyewight.
same, big jump in protein intake in the last year and creatine supp as well... few months later my eGFR is down 20% and creatinine levels up 20% ... i cut back on protein and stopped creatine, ima do next bloodwork in a few weeks to see if any changes, very interesting and annoying lol
egfr does not account for high amount of muscle mas so it will always show out of range - its like the BMI - limited
Regarding the liver, if you have cirrhosis (I do) you actually need to have a lot of protein in your diet. Love your videos my dude.
Someone's been drinking too much
@@theunicornbay4286 Before I was diagnosed I had a beer once a month or so. There are quite a few ways to get Cirrhosis of the liver.
I swear doc Mike packs more jokes in every time
EVERYTHING is and/or can be bad for you
With the fact that our DNA and our cells are in constant decay, I would say too many people are protein deficient and would benefit from more protein and more creatine, even if they aren't exercising
Dr Mike, great explanation and love ur odd sense of humor !
It’s cringe but funny because he is like super educated this is how smart people joke lol
Hey Dr Mike, would we be able to get a video on rep range variance within mesocycles for example: on weeks one and two is it viable to train compounds within the 12-10 rep range, then weeks three and four to train compounds in the 8-6 rep range, and if there is any overall benefit from this variance? I suppose for isolation you could say for example using 15-20 rep range then 10-15 rep range. It is it best to stay within specific rep rangers per meso cycle and changing them as per meso cycle or can they be mixed up every two weeks or so? Thanks
Already exists.
Probably already exists
god damn people actually worry about minutia like this?
@@dessertstorm7476 Sure are and they are usually the ones that are lacking in progress.
@@Ryan_DeWitt lmao fr like just eat a good amount of food , train hard but not hard enough to affect your next workout ,make sure youre getting plenty of sleep and youd be good
The liver skit just killed me 😂
“Jersey liver” 😂
Liver? Yes 👍 with some fava beans and a nice chianti 😅
I've tried many different 'diets' over the years. After 6 months on an extremely low carb, high protein diet, I developed gout and had blood in my urine. I dunno, maybe my kidneys weren't 'healthy' to start, cause there certainly was a 'too high' level for me. So YMMV, and not everybody has 'healthy kidneys' I guess.
Been consuming above 2g per kg bodyweight, more close to 3g, for over 2 years now, and have been wondering if it’s bad or not, so I’m glad you uploaded this!
2kg per bodyweight is the BEAR minimum. I would say 3g per kg or 1,5g/lbs is ideal.
processed protein is questionable.
There is a video on this channel on the lower boundary of optimal protein intake and as far as I know the science is still up-to-date. 1,6g/kg is absolutely enough.
It won't hurt you at all. However, it isn't going to get you any better muscle gains than a bit less.
how in tf u even doing that ☠️
Seems like the answer, as always, is: depends. Every situation is different. I had a buddy with a kidney disorder and excessive protein consumption did him no favors.
I stopped eating protein and now I'm healthier than ever, even my cancer got cured.
Youre joking right?
Lmao when someone connects shit with cancer , 9 out of 10 times its dumb bs
What about acidic foods? High protein from beans is health promoting, but high protein from meat isn't. The kidneys need to buffer this acidic food which causes damage. It is called hyper filtration
On the wall of my regular Doctor's office is a poster with "most people get too much protein!" On the heading. It then goes into saying all these things about the dangers of too much protein.
I find the narrative around protein to be the most contradictory and confusing from health professionals, to the point where sometimes I just don't know what to believe. At this point, I’ve basically just settled into what "feels right" and makes me feel good.
I once had a GNC employee tell me that anymore than 40 grams of protein a day is too much cant be disgested and will give me liver problems than produced to try to sell me there “special “ blend protein powder that will prevent that. I laughed in his face and got butt hurt and kicked me out the store lmao never again going to gnc
I mean... it sounds kinda silly to discourage people from eating protein while selling it.
@@Flahtort exactly they're marketing scams.
I think i might be an outlier. I took protein supplements for decades and at since point noticed i was waking up everyday with bilateral kidney pain. I didn't associate it with the protein, just figured i was getting older and this might be my new normal. Then for some reason i went off the protein shakes and the kidney pain went away. Also my body comp didn't change at all without protein supplementation. There are numerous strength athletes who found the same thing, that their bodies and strength didn't change at all with or without protein supplementation (Omar Isuf being one of them). I haven't had my kidney function checked but just because high protein may be ok for most people doesn't necessarily mean it's ok for you, you might be an exception, especially when there might be absolutely no benefit from it.
Yeah it's pretty awful dude makes a video like this and then doesn't address any of the science behind the claims of high / animal protein and oxalate kidney stone correlation.
What about Mikalah and Jordan Peterson eating ONLY red meat and not necessarily working out that much. Is that a healthy diet? Surly it would be healthier to eat an occasional fruit or vegetable at least no?
Misleading advice: too much protein can increase risk of kidney stones as well as osteoporosis because of urinary calcium leeching; and there is some evidence also for protein elevating mToR signaling that is known to be correlated with cancer risk.
Correct. The fact that there’s no current long term evidence that supports that the consuming high protein diets doesn’t cause long term issues is really important to note. Given the fact that the popularity of consuming such high protein diets in the US is fairly new means that’s no one at this point can truly and definitively say that consuming such high protein isn’t harmful.
The data we do have SO FAR does show there is indeed some form of negative effects to the kidneys whether you already have kidney disease or not(glomerular hyperfiltration leading to an increase in albuminuria and an initial rise, subsequent decline in GFR, a number of metabolic complications, etc).
I’ve been on a MOSTLY and some lengths of time exclusively carnivore diet for almond 3 years. When I was eating chicken and rice I was pissing a gallon every 15 minutes -not even exaggerating here! When I went carnivore that all stopped including back pain knee and hip and shoulder pain all went away. Mood improved along with focus and energy.
Dont diss us Europeans. We should be the ones making fun of you for mixing grams and pounds 😂
😂😂😂
Lmao imperial system has to go
I made the mistake of eating too much protein, but I have type 1 diabetes and stage 3 kidney disease at 46 years old. Nice thing was my nephrologist understood I am weightlifting and had me switch to yellow pea protein powder since it’s easier on my kidneys. Throw those two factors in plus I have celiac disease eating has its challenges.
This channel is hilariously informative. Thank you for producing this informative content. Its been nice hearing some good information through sarcasm and brutal honest truth.
As far as I know, the only way protein affects your kidneys is if it enters your bloodstream as whole protein. In that case, you'll die of acute kidney failure very quickly unless you receive immediate treatment. But the only way that generally happens is with rhabdo or some other injury-induced condition that dumps a bunch of protein into your blood. Dietary protein doesn't enter your bloodstream as whole protein molecules. It gets broken down into sections of 1, 2 or 3 aminos, then absorbed by your intestines. So the molecules are MUCH smaller than the sort that would clog your kidneys. One thing to note--you actually can induce rhabdo by working out too hard, and people have died from it. So it never hurts to be careful, but that said, dietary protein is zero risk to your kidneys.
As far as your liver, from what I've read, even if your bloodstream is full of aminos, your liver will just let them pass right through if it doesn't have immediate capacity to process them, and if they hang around in the blood for too long, your kidneys will just filter them out. So worst case scenario, for a healthy person, is that you'll just pee out a bunch of the protein you ate. So if you eat too much, it might end up going to waste, but it's not going to damage your liver either.
eh.. just had a discussion with my elderly dad about that, I was suggesting higher proteins in his diet since he wasn't eating much and starting to be more active. he was going off about report he heard to much proteins blah blah. I was replying about probably a lot/excessive proteins intake for those studies. but normal increase is still healthy. I wasn't telling him to starting doing proteins shakes etc.. but mainly have a chunk of cheese for snack.. with some sliced ham etc.. instead of just a slice of toast for breakfast.
I really appreciate the evidence-based approach, but ACTUALLY providing the evidence (i.e. links to the articles, studies etc) would be great!
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7460905/ - Here's one. A review, dated 2020
When you have WLS you are told you must eat more protein and to eat that first. It helps prevent hair loss your first post op weeks and keeps you feeling fuller longer.
I am a100kg male and I had high cholesterol with abnormal liver function.
I was borderline having to start taking tablets but chose not too.
So started weight training and eating 200g of protein a day while eating my maintenance of 2300 calories a day.
Less than 8 months later all back to normal.
Respect from Canada. 🤜🤛
Hey Dr Mike, can you do a topic of Barefoot minimalist shoes? Like what are the benefits, and cons for wearing them.
My understanding is that execive low fat protein can be processed into sugar in your liver and can actually spike your insulin levels which can lead to other problems such as sleep disorders. Fatty protein is better for you. This also depends on your age and especially your mobility and exercise habits. If you are a hard core weight lifter than you definitely need a little more protein than the average couch potato. Suger does destroy the kidneys and it also Spikes your insulin which can lead to insulin resistance leaving you with diabetes. Your stomach,liver and kidneys have to break down all of that protein with bile acids that are produced in the pancreas and liver. Even in the healthiest of people these organs can only produce a certain amount of these biles that are needed to break down proteins sugar and starches. The amount of stomach acid you produce also matters, some people do not have enough to fully help in the breaking down process of proteins. The protein that is not broke down in the stomach and liver has to be broken down in the kidneys and this extra protein can clog up the filters in the kidnies. This is what causes kidney damage from excessive protein. It can also cause problems in your lower intestines. Starchy food like potatoes and rice will be converted into sugar in the liver anyway and most will be stored as fat in the body. Sugar is a kidney killer. Protein is an essential food source especially fatty protein such as steak, pork, salmon and even chicken. Chicken is better with the skin on because the skin contains the fat. Dark chicken is better than white chicken because it contains more fat. Not all fats are good though, don't eat highly processed vegetable oils they are poison to the body. Use avocado oil, extra virgin olive oil, real butter not margarine. Even the forbidden lard is better than vegetable. I believe most people need a good helping of protein but it does vary for each individual especially if you already have liver, kidney or gallbladder problems.
My guess is it is not the protein itself that is bad for you but the sodium often applied to the red meat containing the protein.
High sugar, salt, fat, caloric intake, and low activity levels combine to make a bad situation for your kidneys, liver, and heart.
I’ve just had my bloods done. My creatinine levels were 106 and apparently normal for a woman is 45-85. I explained my job is a personal trainer / I’m active. Weight lift 3-5 x a week and eat about 100-130g protein a day.
And I’ve been told I may need to reduce my exercise and eat less protein I’ve been told I’m eating too much protein. However I’ve been eating this way for years I have no idea how to eat any different 😅🙈
I'm 38, have a family of my own and my mom is still concerned I will once "over-protein" myself :) I guess this is something similar as: don't sit on a cold stone or shit like that
I'd watch a season or two of The Jersey Liver, that was the best Harvey Firestein impression I've ever heard
The investigators studied a group of 10 bodybuilders who took anabolic steroids for years. All developed protein leakage into the urine and severe reductions in kidney function. Kidney biopsies revealed that the bodybuilders had developed a condition called “focal segmental glomerulosclerosis,” a type of scarring within the kidneys. This disease typically occurs when the kidneys are overworked. The kidney damage in the bodybuilders has similarities to that seen in morbidly obese patients, but appears to be even more severe.
Vivette D'Agati, M.D. When the bodybuilders discontinued steroid use, their kidney abnormalities improved, with the exception of one individual with advanced kidney disease who developed end-stage kidney failure requiring dialysis. The single patient who resumed steroid abuse developed a severe clinical relapse.
Mike, love your work, hilarious 👍
This is actually true for people who have chronic kidney disease with decreased kidney function. Other then that, as long as you're getting regular exercise in, you're ok. That said, it's probably not a good idea to go overboard with your protein intake, as any thing in gross excess is generally not good for you.
2:10 HAHAHAHA that impression was spot on!
Very nice escape from the lover problems and proteins:) :
Protein is an essential nutrient for your body, but too much protein can have negative effects on your liver. According to some studies, eating a high amount of animal protein, especially from red meat, may increase the risk of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), which is a condition where fat builds up in the liver and impairs its function12. NAFLD can lead to inflammation, scarring, and even liver failure if left untreated. This risk may be higher for older or overweight people3.
However, not all sources of protein are the same. Some studies suggest that vegetable-based proteins, such as soy, beans, nuts, and seeds, may have a protective effect on the liver and reduce the risk of NAFLD1. These plant proteins also contain other beneficial nutrients, such as fiber, antioxidants, and phytochemicals, that may help prevent or reverse liver damage. Additionally, branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs), which are found in dairy products, eggs, fish, and poultry, may also help improve liver function and prevent muscle wasting in people with cirrhosis1.
The amount of protein you need depends on your age, weight, activity level, and health status. The recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for protein is 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight per day for adults. However, some people may need more or less protein depending on their individual needs. For example, people with liver disease may need more protein to prevent malnutrition and muscle loss1. However, they should also consult with their doctor to determine the best type and amount of protein for their condition.
To summarize, eating too much protein can be bad for your liver if it comes from animal sources that are high in fat and cholesterol, especially red meat. However, eating moderate amounts of protein from plant sources or lean animal sources that are rich in BCAAs may help protect your liver and improve your health. You should always check with your doctor before making any changes to your diet or taking any supplements.
Mike workshopping a Harvey Fierstein impression (raspy voice dude in Mrs. Doubtfire) is something I didn’t realize I needed in my life until now.
What I was taught at biochemistry is that too much meat increases the risk of gout but that's because of high purine content which is metabolized into uric acid. Might be the cause why people think too much protein is bad if they mix it up, they think too much protein = too much meat, while that does not have to be the case.
Perfect! That's all I'm after, VALUE! Thanks Dr Mike!
Been 95% carnivore for almost 2 years. Every year during my physical I tell doctor about died and his response is if my blood work is good keep doing it as it's working.
250 grams protein vast majority of says roughly 1.5 grams per pound of weight. 0 kidney issue
But Joe Rogan said.....
For the last 3 years I've been creating kidney stones. My doctor has been saying it's because of my protein intake. I did Keto for 2 years and never had kidney problems, but they wouldn't listen.
Long story short, narrowed it down to Coke Zero of all things. For some reason my kidneys can't break down whatever is in it.
Sometimes when I urinated there was protein left in the toilet even after flushing. But I did a urine test and they didn’t find much protein but I also didn’t consume any protein before doing the urine test.
But I don’t know I think since I am doing more cardio and eating egg based protein instead of whey I don’t see the protein in the toilet after urinating anymore. Maybe it was a different cause.
There is the problem of gout so be careful if you eat a lot of meat/red meat so i recommend to do uric acide tested two times a year
I do a carnivore diet and I don't look at how much protein I eat but I think around 3% and I have no problems at most it's the fats that lead to problems with eating too much such as diarrhea or floating stools which is why I eat high proteins and medium fats and I'm fine
Dr said that I have to avoid purine rich foods like pulses, red meat, organ meat, sea food etc to reduce my uric acid levels
The doctor told me to cut protein cause of fatty liver disease and did it for 2 years and nothing got better . Then i started lifting and eating a high protein diet, and all the weight started coming off, and my blood work looked way better
I recently had my creatinine levels checked and also asked the lab to do a cystatin-C test to be on the safe side. Both results came out negative, which means that I do not have any kidneys and therefore my protein intake is irrelevant. So now I can supplement with 8000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 grams of protein per lbs of bodyweight and enjoy all the health benefits.
I agree I have eaten 5-10 grams per pound of protein(Natural) my entire life while not being overweight . I'm in my 50s weigh 195lbs and I stand 6'. However what should be getting heat isn't protein but what they make it from. For one Soy Protein Isolates are very bad for your liver. Another liver damaging substances is Maltodextrin and is this put in many Protein products. Another problem is consuming too much protein and no fat that is also very bad for your liver and your body.
JERSEY LIVER 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I Had a mouth full of food Dr. Mike you almost killed me!!