You know how hmg emplacements tell you there ammo capacity by becoming your guns mag in the hud imagine if the stamina bar became the health bar for the mech
- Double the ammo capacity OR - Give it durable damage values at least on par with the autocannon - Give all mechs Heavy armor - Allow mechs to trigger stratagems. This was already in HD1, why not here. - No reason whatsoever to forbid us to use both mechs in one build. Meme build sure, niche build probably, viable build definitely. Voilà, balancing done.
@@owo3632Are you okay? It already has 4, he just wants his "end game weaponry" in the form of a large target with inaccurate guns and weak armor, to actually not be garbage.
@@sampaint1338 that's exactly that. That's why, similar to the video I'm in favor of buffing it to autocannon standards. Cannon turret parameters would probably make this mech too strong, as the turret has a much better cannon than our autocannon (the turret can tri-headshot a Charger, the autocannon will never pierce it). Alternatively, why the heck not? Give us cannon-turret-like shells, cut the ammo in half at 40 rounds per arm, and you have a freakin' short-living panic-button killing machine that can clear any area in 2 minutes... That would actually make it a useful ace to have up anyone's sleeve.
Watching this you should definitely be using the left arm for inaccurate shooting like for groups or large targets. Right arm is much better. Because the left arm has the same problem as the patriot. Also alternating arms means that if an arm gets shot off then you won’t loose a full “mag”.
You can switch camera shoulders in mechs same as you do with your primaries ( aim and press mouse 4 ), to prevent yourself from shooting with the right arm, make aim toggle, not hold. That way you can aim very precisely with the left arm ( works for patriot rockets too )
this thing kinda rips on defense missions. should still be overall buffed, but I certainly don't have as much of a problem with it compared to other people
i played with it a little bit on both bug and bot missions and it felt good. like an autocannon sentry but you can aim it instead of relying on the terrible AI target prioritization. a little damage tradeoff for that is worth it imo
@@InvaderTroy fair but i think the damage trade off may be too much. autocannon sentry can destroy a charger in like 2 volleys and do way better against bile titans than the mech for whatever reason
@@barackobreezythat whatever reason is due to "durable damage" which is why it doesnt perform that well against the heaviest targets, but i agree i like where its at & think its way better than the previous mech
Lol eradicate missions. You gotta be kidding me. I can complete eradicate missions by using the secret orbital traitor barrage + a bunch of barrages only. So the fact that you're trying to salvage this junk mech is hilarious.
This mech is the same technology we used over 100 years ago in the first galactic war. Our outdated, weakest technology is on par with the strongest firepower that the automatons have.
@@Boamere completely forgot that HD1 mechs had a strategem launcher. It seems like we are using the weakest form of mechs ever made or we somehow lost access to the mechs after the first galactic war and or now trying prototype versions to "rediscover" them again
I feel like Mechs should be bonus Stratagems you can spend 500 Requisition Slips on to use twice in a mission. They are cool, but not cool enough to take one of my 4 (or 3) Stratagem slots.
I like this idea of adding starts at the cost of reqs. There really isn't anything to spend reqs on once you max out your strat purchases. You sit at max reqs while collecting samples for the final ship modual upgrades, and quickly top off once you buy one.
Counting the percentage kills, the two exosuits combined did 43% kills, with the two 380 mm barrages coming in at roughly 37%(with the latter doing 25%), and the remaining 20% being from primary/railgun and traitor bombardment. All in all, not all that OP of a performance if you only get 1 per solo eradicate mission, and even at near full ammo depletion, you can only count on ~20% kills with that strategem. Your primary/support weapon choice will likely still be what carries the mission.
@@CrazyRampageIt is odd but occasionally the dual gatlings on it's front will treat you the same as if you were holding the ballistic shield up to it, not firing on your mech and letting you focus solely on destroying it.
@@roboticrebel4092 This is a contested point of conversation apparently? Some people are saying that they never do, others say it's a glitch and that occasionally they'll open fire and shred it in seconds. Which would make sense since the mech had Medium armor on the chest and arms, and only light armor on the legs
You can bring both mechs right now, it's a glitch but u can do it, pick the mech for your first stratagem slot, pick 2 more that you want to bring, then for the last slot pick something random then swap it out for the other mech
The Emancipator has a use case where it's extraordinarily powerful. That being cleaning up the mid-low heavy range. It trivializes devastators, tanks, berserkers, and gunships. I've heard people say that it has a similar use case as the laser. It's your get out of jail free card when things get intense.
It’s not fantastic against gunships, but yes it can be used to take them on. Its biggest edge against gunships is that it won’t get ragdolled by the laser and rocket spam.
@@squeezyjibbs6643This implies you don't miss any shots, as well as not fighting more than 2. As soon as one gets behind you and you lose track of it, you die.
@@miemsliva4464 C'mon, if you're missing many shots with AC weapons, you're doing something wrong. Velocity of your shots is pretty dang high. Plus you get insane RoF without needing to reload, so you get some room for error. I can understand missing a couple shots with EAT or Recoiless when you're not used to them, cause projectile velocity is lower, but not AC. Though I give credit to players on PS5/Controller, tracking aim on fast moving targets with a controller is something that takes many hours of practice.
@@squeezyjibbs6643 Granted I was only intended like, a miss of one, two, maybe 3 shots because of the wonky aim on the left arm if you are aiming for the Gunships engines. I'm not saying it's horrible, it's just in this awkward spot where it feels like both enough and not enough at the same time.
I honestly love this in group play with the terminids. If you and all your teammates have them you can take down chargers and bile titans pretty quickly. Not to mention armored bile spewer worlds
I went in the discord and said “ AH needs to do a player poll on whether we should be able to use both mechs. That’d give us a good answer on player concensus.” I KNOW we all want to use both but I gotta at least let arrowhead think there’s a choice
You can already use both in a mission, pick mech for first slot, fill out ur other stratagems, then swap the last one for the other mech, but that will probably get patched lol
They are aware people want to use both at the same time. Yes, it's not intended to bring both right now, and will probably get patched, but they are looking into possibilities to make it possible and stable for everyone. The reason for that being, in their own words, that mechs require more game resources than most other stratagems, and many of them on the battlefield at the same time may cause issues, lags, crashes, disconnections etc. etc.
I still think this mech shines the most at bugs blitz missions. Like, literally the only stratagem you'd need to clear one, but 4 of these on eradicate missions for both factions also trivializes them
Same with defense missions, bring some mortar sentry's, camp each pad and just spray bug holes as they open, maybe bring an orbital or 500kg for biles and you're golden
There is currently a glitch where you can bring both. And I was able to try it. If you play smart, conserve ammo, and prioritize the objectives, you can make each Exo-suit last until the other suit's cooldown finishes, essentially allowing you to switch from one suit to another. Plus, wearing the shield generator backpack does allow you to be a little more durable
I dont know how it works, but I bought the new one, then entered a mission and picked both exo suits consecutively, when I arrived to the planet I called the new one and it arrived, but it didn't go on cooldown nor reduced the number of uses, I called in 3 exosuits instantly. (2 new, 1 old)
Not really a glitch, it’s glitching that it doesn’t let people sometimes. And automechs are given right now, so bring the other and you’ll have both no prob.
PSA: *To get accuracy on a mech's left arm use the 'Change Camera Side' button* (default is *Mouse4*); If you re-bound it and forgot where it is or if you want to rebind it, you can find it under Options >> Keyboard & Mouse >> Change Bindings >> 2 Combat >> Change Camera Side. That is all Apart from that... good video, Takibo!
One huge issue i take with the mech is that it attracts enemies from so far away. Ive seen enemies shoot at a moving mech from 120+ meters away. Thats insane. Tone that stealth debuff down!
The pelican dropping off the suit uses it cannon and is fairly effective add clear on its pass. The mech suit also has a higher viewpoint off the ground and lets you see POIs from really far off. I found it's not very accurate at medium to close range but its a laser at extreme range. Edit: it covers ground faster than on foot, fwiw.
This gives me a challenge idea, two actually. 1) Double mech build (wait, you can't do take both?). 2) no support weapon + backpack challenge (use what you find on the map). Hey, this mech doesn't die in 1 rocket shot O_O
The damage output for the mechs isnt great but they could make up for it for giving the mechs more health or armor because getting 1 or 2 shotted isnt it, it was waaaaay more tanky in the 1st game
I love them, but i hope they will allow us to take multiple as well, also making the sentry ship module upgrades apply to them ( and the hmg emplacement) would be insane given that stratagems that don't have upgrades are underpowered and less satisfying at the higher levels
People are basing their opinions on the Emancipator around us having a free mech call in. Once we only have 1 mech call in, their rose tinted glasses will come off and they'll see how it's not anywhere near good enough to warrant a 10 minute cooldown
It was pretty fun on 5-6 difficulty bug missions, but chargers took quite a bit of shots to kill. I was hesitant to play 7+ missions though. I'm hoping both mechs get a small buff
The new evacuate high priority missions (defend 8 launches) work great with the exosuits. Bring 3 turrets and the exosuit. Drop turrets, hop in suit and support them.
i think those rush missions to kill many bases or block out bug holes might be good - you are a bit faster on the robot after all as well going through the map
I think the Emancipator could benefit from three buffs: more ammo, more health, and separate reticles for the two arms. I don't know how meaningful it is to not allow bringing both suits. It doesn't seem good to have two suits over one suit and another stratagem, but it would be cool. The calldown also feels meaningless to be honest. The suit just isn't that amazingly powerful to justify the limitation.
I found that in missions where I pass the extraction spot, I’ll drop a suit, so when we extract I can call down an extra without waiting. Or someone else in the group can use it. You are right, it makes defending a breeze with multiple suits.
Idk personally I think this thing is pretty great one or two shots most things and has the ability to potentially kill any enemy and has a reasonable amount of ammo
I don't get why people are saying this thing is good and 'if you think it's bad it's a skill issue' Drop an auto cannon turret and fight next to it and you will deal far more damage than the mech can. Between your primary or a support weapon like the auto cannon or flame thrower? Then add in grenades and stratigems? The mech is getting out damaged, hard. But you can also call in a turret every 3 minutes vs 10 and ONLY 2, ever. Is it terrible? No. Is it good? Not really. It's fun but I'd take any of the good stratigems over it. The 2-only limit really kills any interest for me. It doesn't help that they seem to get damaged on delivery. I've called in maybe 8 total and 2 of them came missing an arm. In a totally open area, zero idea how it came in damaged. So this extremely expensive stratigem came missing half it's damage output and ammo.
I think you made the best of a bad situation (using the Emancipator), but not convinced it’s a superior option to bringing strats and a good secondary.
Can't lie, people have been talking about how the Emancipator isn’t good, but I've run it a few times on non-eradicate and I think it's pretty good. Tanks and turrets will still obliterate it, but I've never had it die to anything else. It tanks missiles pretty well, and I've been able to run it out of ammo before I die except when a cannon turret sees me. That said, could definitely use some more ammo, but aside from that I think its pretty good in honesty
yea mechs seem really inconsistent if they spam striders or chargers/titans and since u cant strategem you just have to get out ur mech or hope you kill them first
They really need to increase the vertical range of motion the arms have. I feel like I can’t look at something that’s at midrange because the arms are so stiff
Having a much lower durible damage at 60 Vs the hand hold autocannon at 160 durible damage and the sentry at 200. Shame really as it should feel powerful
If you didnt auto die when the mech is destroyed it might be worth taking. Thats a dumb mechanic they need to change. Maybe have it set you on fire as youre ejected, but auto death is dumb.
I love this thing. All they have to do is just make it a bit stronger. 4 shots to chargers and maybe 10 to bile titans. I only say that because no matter how armored bugs are, their armor IS NOT that strong to be taking heavy shells to the face over and over. Nature ain’t that op. The automaton walker is a perfect enemy while the bile titan makes no sense. The bile titan is honestly a lame enemy type if you think about it. Just one big spongy fast enemy type. It’s like they defy logic. They can eat rail canon strikes, missiles to the face ((that’s barely even armored if you really look at them)) can eat like 90% of a fucking laser that’s been beaming them for 20+ seconds. And there can be 2 plus of them on lvl 7 and above. Overall just a cheap enemy type. Granted I have no idea how to fix this enemy type so my arguing ain’t really worth shit lol.
Honestly the CD plus 2 charges are such a brainfart anyway. 10 minutes CD. (Higher even with the debuff?) Means at smaller missions with 12-15 minutes you barely even get both charges out in the first place. Then on big missions you could get both charges out, but even if it had no limit on the charegs you're just able to get a third out anyway, before the Super Destroyer is gone. Means even if it had unlimited charges, you can't ever have 4 with one Stratagem in the first place. So just because of ONE charge extra you could get on normal missions, the Limit was so fucking important, huh? Either lower the CD, so on smaller missions you are sure to be able to use your charges or get rid of the charges if you keep that huge CD, since one more Mech on a normal mission isn't going to change the game that much in the first place. And no. You can argue as much as you want. It's nothing but a god damn brainfart of Arrowhead to have both that massive CD and two charges. It makes absolutely no fucking sense.
Wait wait wait wasnt the whole point that they balanced things based on reality when it came to the hmg being absolute shit???? Then why is the autocannon mech not outright sentry style cannons???
BTW I guess you don't read these comments, but I and several others told you on your last video you can very easily take both mechs. All you have to do is pick one mech, pick another strat, pick 2nd mech. Although this is limited to PC and when not using a controller. Just taking two doesn't really solve anything though - they either need to be better or not be so limited in use/cooldown, and in either case the aiming needs fixed too.
by sheer dumb luck he gets to survive in his ONE Exosuit for a mere 2 min 47 of this 10 min 44 mission before he gets ROFL-stomped in it (the second suit call-in doesn't count since the free event one will like never come back and the glitch where we can bring both Mechs is clearly unintended ATM)... and he calls *that* pretty good for this mission type?? what have you been smoking today Takibo? no, sadly the Mechs aren't good - or even just mid - for this either. i'll still use them, of course, because they're Mechs - how could i not, right? but ATM i really shouldn't unfortunately.
Sad state of affairs when the channel I used to see proclaiming the endless victories of HD2 is now relegated to making excuses for the mediocre update items. Eh. It makes it easier to stay offline until my comrades in 170+ countries are allowed to play again. Hope ya'll have fun playing with your fellow traitors.
I think it could use a bit of a damage buff and a little more ammo but other than that it's fine. Of course it can't one shot everything so the internet is collectively losing its mind but what else is new?
Still no reason to use this over the AC sentry. Lower cooldown, higher damage, and you get to keep shooting things while it does its thing. Plus not being able to aim with 50% of the already too low ammo capacity is just the icing on this shit cake
Lol how folks trying to cope with bad strategems after bad strategems is just amazing. "Emancipator is not that bad", "you can use it for certain missions", "i dont have a problem with it". Bro, that's just coping with the fact that we havent got any good content for about a month now. We all know that they are going to make the game better. But trying to console ourselves that something isnt bad... well, I guess you are just living a fantasy.
After reading the comments on other videos about this mech I honestly think they could release an invincible mech suit that shoots hellbombs and there would still be people complaining about it being weak. This mech could use some tweaks to armor, a buff in damage (I think it should be the same as the handheld auto cannon), and the aiming could use work but it’s one-shotting devastators and two or three on a hulk and can take down drop ships, it’s not weak. Some people just want it to bulldoze everything and though that might be fun for a mission or two it would get boring fast. I watched one person doing a review on it who complained after the mech was destroyed but completely ignored a group of five or so devastators that were firing on them to shoot at a factory strider that wasn’t even facing them. I was sitting there thinking “ dude, you just passed up all those enemies focus firing you to fight something that posed no threat, it’s not the mech that’s bad!” Lol. I almost am convinced they did it purposely to make a video dumping on the new mech because videos hating on everything that comes out get a lot of views it seems. I’m all for videos being critical of new content and patches, but I prefer honest and balanced criticism, not all the reactionary overblown hyperbolic nonsense that a lot of people have been making. That’s why I appreciate videos like this one.
I don’t think people consider the safety aspect of things here, always complaining “it doesn’t do damage”… Without the two unfortunate deaths you literally unga bunga’ed, no sweat, no thinking and no struggle to 58% of the mission. You are absolutely right, last night with guys with 4 mechs, 0 deaths and on Lv9 eradicate mission, go to the outside of the walls, funnel the enemies, point and shoot. It’s that easy with the new mech… took down 5 factory striders, hulks as far as the battlefield could see, and extracted.
The Helldivers community has gotten really toxic. Everybody is so quick to complain that there were literally people complaining about it before we got it. I used it several times and I felt unstoppable almost every time, getting 60 kill streaks on bugs and bots alike
@@prabhav1788 7 and 8 but I dont see why it wouldn't work on 9. Especially with a group, but I did a few solo too and it works albeit in a more limited way as your mobility is restricted. Its a huge bonus to a group at extraction
Stop simping for this dev. This is a limited use, limited ammo, low hp, long cooldown disposable waste of a stratagem slot... Even if it was super strong you wouldn't take it ever because its a dead loadout slot for the majority of missions.
I think folks just expected it to perform like the other Autocannons. 25-40 shots for tanks and bile titans is really bad when we expect it to be 5 like the sentry.
Idk why people cry that much its made for the bots and its really good against them, you are not suppost too run around in that thing alllll game long, and its not made too one shot everything, it eats the devastators, it is very good against hulks(if you can aim), for tanks use your strategems and everyone who is crying that it cant easily destroy a factory strider is a dumbass imo, that thing is suppost too be tanky af, i think it is good how it is rn, cant have 4 people running around in unkillable machines with 2 of em per round but well nobody is using their brain
I fucking love the new mech. Idk why everyone’s full of complaints about a NEW TOY that does what it’s meant to, destroy MID armored enemies, and tons of buffs are about to happen?! It’s baffling to me.
i feel like niche things are simply not exciting for ppl. Like yeah it's kinda functional 5/10, not trash, can work in some missions. Kinda maybe. Imo something as theoretically cool as a mech shouldn't evoke lukewarm feelings.
Why should people take a stratagem that is worse than others? High cooldown, low dmg and you can only use it twice. Autocannon Turret is e.g. much better than a Mech. or almost any Eagle... xD
I’m feeling the exact same way Ryan. With the glitch (cough cough) you can run both mechs at the same time and it’s sooooo fun. My bug build is blitzer primary+Patriot+500KG+emancipator+ orbital railcannon Barring any unfortunate deaths to bile spew it does very well and I do not see all the justification for all the bitching. It’s not OP sure but it’s doable on the higher difficulties
@@judyfps5059 the mech is underwhelming and feels terrible to use MOST of the time. 150 shots is spent in about 2 3 minutes even if youre hitting your shots. the dmg is the same as the autocannon sentry without the durable damage which just means itll kill armored things slower, given the restrictions, no ammo refill, 2 uses, 10 minute cooldown and just the low ammo capacity i hope it gets durable damage increased so its equal to the sentry, more rounds and fix the fucking aiming on the left cannon
You know how hmg emplacements tell you there ammo capacity by becoming your guns mag in the hud imagine if the stamina bar became the health bar for the mech
- Double the ammo capacity
OR
- Give it durable damage values at least on par with the autocannon
- Give all mechs Heavy armor
- Allow mechs to trigger stratagems. This was already in HD1, why not here.
- No reason whatsoever to forbid us to use both mechs in one build. Meme build sure, niche build probably, viable build definitely.
Voilà, balancing done.
bro just give it two autocannons you ppl are crazy
@@owo3632Are you okay? It already has 4, he just wants his "end game weaponry" in the form of a large target with inaccurate guns and weak armor, to actually not be garbage.
Agreed, needs much higher durible damage. Maybe on par with the sentry as it's the same caliber, just feels like the mech autos are using sub par ammo
@@sampaint1338 that's exactly that. That's why, similar to the video I'm in favor of buffing it to autocannon standards. Cannon turret parameters would probably make this mech too strong, as the turret has a much better cannon than our autocannon (the turret can tri-headshot a Charger, the autocannon will never pierce it).
Alternatively, why the heck not? Give us cannon-turret-like shells, cut the ammo in half at 40 rounds per arm, and you have a freakin' short-living panic-button killing machine that can clear any area in 2 minutes... That would actually make it a useful ace to have up anyone's sleeve.
Watching this you should definitely be using the left arm for inaccurate shooting like for groups or large targets. Right arm is much better. Because the left arm has the same problem as the patriot. Also alternating arms means that if an arm gets shot off then you won’t loose a full “mag”.
You can switch camera shoulders in mechs same as you do with your primaries ( aim and press mouse 4 ), to prevent yourself from shooting with the right arm, make aim toggle, not hold. That way you can aim very precisely with the left arm ( works for patriot rockets too )
Won't loose the mag if you just tighten it beforehand.
this thing kinda rips on defense missions. should still be overall buffed, but I certainly don't have as much of a problem with it compared to other people
i played with it a little bit on both bug and bot missions and it felt good. like an autocannon sentry but you can aim it instead of relying on the terrible AI target prioritization. a little damage tradeoff for that is worth it imo
@@InvaderTroy fair but i think the damage trade off may be too much. autocannon sentry can destroy a charger in like 2 volleys and do way better against bile titans than the mech for whatever reason
@@barackobreezythat whatever reason is due to "durable damage" which is why it doesnt perform that well against the heaviest targets, but i agree i like where its at & think its way better than the previous mech
Lol eradicate missions. You gotta be kidding me. I can complete eradicate missions by using the secret orbital traitor barrage + a bunch of barrages only. So the fact that you're trying to salvage this junk mech is hilarious.
@barackobreezy yeah, I just don't get why emancipator only has 60 durable damage. That's like a liberator with big armor penetration.
Weakest super earth technology vs strongest automaton technology
Literally
This mech is the same technology we used over 100 years ago in the first galactic war. Our outdated, weakest technology is on par with the strongest firepower that the automatons have.
@@lucienmoolman8017 it's worse than the HD1 mech, can't shoot out stratagems, has less ammo and can't be repaired :)
@@Boamere completely forgot that HD1 mechs had a strategem launcher. It seems like we are using the weakest form of mechs ever made or we somehow lost access to the mechs after the first galactic war and or now trying prototype versions to "rediscover" them again
I feel like Mechs should be bonus Stratagems you can spend 500 Requisition Slips on to use twice in a mission. They are cool, but not cool enough to take one of my 4 (or 3) Stratagem slots.
I like this idea of adding starts at the cost of reqs. There really isn't anything to spend reqs on once you max out your strat purchases. You sit at max reqs while collecting samples for the final ship modual upgrades, and quickly top off once you buy one.
There should always be some random free stratagem during missions!
That is a fun idea imo. Some kind of system where you can extend samples or requisition for an advantage sounds great.
Expend**
Counting the percentage kills, the two exosuits combined did 43% kills, with the two 380 mm barrages coming in at roughly 37%(with the latter doing 25%), and the remaining 20% being from primary/railgun and traitor bombardment.
All in all, not all that OP of a performance if you only get 1 per solo eradicate mission, and even at near full ammo depletion, you can only count on ~20% kills with that strategem. Your primary/support weapon choice will likely still be what carries the mission.
On a level-9 eradicate SOLO mission
Definitely not op, but also a good contributor to the mission progress.
Now subtract the kills you'd get with your primary, tertiary + grenades if you weren't in the suit.
@@bernardomotard before or after you stopped ragdolling around?
@@bernardomotard … 57%? I fail to see the point
you can def get factory striders in this mission type and it will absolutely wreck your exosuit
There's a bug atm where striders don't shoot exosuit
@@opiniononion ? Happened to me the other day
@@CrazyRampageIt is odd but occasionally the dual gatlings on it's front will treat you the same as if you were holding the ballistic shield up to it, not firing on your mech and letting you focus solely on destroying it.
miniguns don't shoot mechs. just get under the main gun's arc of fire
@@roboticrebel4092 This is a contested point of conversation apparently? Some people are saying that they never do, others say it's a glitch and that occasionally they'll open fire and shred it in seconds.
Which would make sense since the mech had Medium armor on the chest and arms, and only light armor on the legs
I wish we could at least have first person view, it wouldn't be optimal but could look really cool
First person view with a zooming option for the very long range shots would be 👌
In the first game you could bring multiple of the same stratagem. I think it would be cool if you could do that with mechs in the second game.
You can bring both mechs right now, it's a glitch but u can do it, pick the mech for your first stratagem slot, pick 2 more that you want to bring, then for the last slot pick something random then swap it out for the other mech
So right now if you do that, you get the free mech, your stratagem mech and then the other mech
The Emancipator has a use case where it's extraordinarily powerful. That being cleaning up the mid-low heavy range. It trivializes devastators, tanks, berserkers, and gunships.
I've heard people say that it has a similar use case as the laser. It's your get out of jail free card when things get intense.
It’s not fantastic against gunships, but yes it can be used to take them on. Its biggest edge against gunships is that it won’t get ragdolled by the laser and rocket spam.
@GGBlaster not fantastic against gunships? 4-6 shells out of your 150 for one gunship is not good in your opinion?
@@squeezyjibbs6643This implies you don't miss any shots, as well as not fighting more than 2. As soon as one gets behind you and you lose track of it, you die.
@@miemsliva4464 C'mon, if you're missing many shots with AC weapons, you're doing something wrong. Velocity of your shots is pretty dang high. Plus you get insane RoF without needing to reload, so you get some room for error.
I can understand missing a couple shots with EAT or Recoiless when you're not used to them, cause projectile velocity is lower, but not AC.
Though I give credit to players on PS5/Controller, tracking aim on fast moving targets with a controller is something that takes many hours of practice.
@@squeezyjibbs6643 Granted I was only intended like, a miss of one, two, maybe 3 shots because of the wonky aim on the left arm if you are aiming for the Gunships engines.
I'm not saying it's horrible, it's just in this awkward spot where it feels like both enough and not enough at the same time.
I honestly love this in group play with the terminids. If you and all your teammates have them you can take down chargers and bile titans pretty quickly. Not to mention armored bile spewer worlds
I went in the discord and said “ AH needs to do a player poll on whether we should be able to use both mechs. That’d give us a good answer on player concensus.”
I KNOW we all want to use both but I gotta at least let arrowhead think there’s a choice
You can already use both in a mission, pick mech for first slot, fill out ur other stratagems, then swap the last one for the other mech, but that will probably get patched lol
@@abcdefgcdefg5178Yeah but that’s not intended tho. You aren’t supposed to be able to use both but people found a way
@@ThatsOk83 right. That's why I said it would probably get patched :)
They are aware people want to use both at the same time.
Yes, it's not intended to bring both right now, and will probably get patched, but they are looking into possibilities to make it possible and stable for everyone.
The reason for that being, in their own words, that mechs require more game resources than most other stratagems, and many of them on the battlefield at the same time may cause issues, lags, crashes, disconnections etc. etc.
I still think this mech shines the most at bugs blitz missions. Like, literally the only stratagem you'd need to clear one, but 4 of these on eradicate missions for both factions also trivializes them
Same with defense missions, bring some mortar sentry's, camp each pad and just spray bug holes as they open, maybe bring an orbital or 500kg for biles and you're golden
There is currently a glitch where you can bring both. And I was able to try it. If you play smart, conserve ammo, and prioritize the objectives, you can make each Exo-suit last until the other suit's cooldown finishes, essentially allowing you to switch from one suit to another. Plus, wearing the shield generator backpack does allow you to be a little more durable
I dont know how it works, but I bought the new one, then entered a mission and picked both exo suits consecutively, when I arrived to the planet I called the new one and it arrived, but it didn't go on cooldown nor reduced the number of uses, I called in 3 exosuits instantly. (2 new, 1 old)
Not really a glitch, it’s glitching that it doesn’t let people sometimes. And automechs are given right now, so bring the other and you’ll have both no prob.
@ryanlink8699 it's not intended to bring both the Patriot and the Emancipator at the same time. At least, not yet.
PSA: *To get accuracy on a mech's left arm use the 'Change Camera Side' button* (default is *Mouse4*); If you re-bound it and forgot where it is or if you want to rebind it, you can find it under Options >> Keyboard & Mouse >> Change Bindings >> 2 Combat >> Change Camera Side. That is all
Apart from that... good video, Takibo!
One huge issue i take with the mech is that it attracts enemies from so far away. Ive seen enemies shoot at a moving mech from 120+ meters away. Thats insane. Tone that stealth debuff down!
Which is really bad when a turret or tank can 1 shot you from very far.
If the exosuit/mech had built in jump packs for a little mobility would be dope!
Move your camera to your left shoulder when you're firing with your left gun. It should help with the angle. Great video
The pelican dropping off the suit uses it cannon and is fairly effective add clear on its pass. The mech suit also has a higher viewpoint off the ground and lets you see POIs from really far off. I found it's not very accurate at medium to close range but its a laser at extreme range. Edit: it covers ground faster than on foot, fwiw.
Glad to see folks warming up to it!
This gives me a challenge idea, two actually. 1) Double mech build (wait, you can't do take both?). 2) no support weapon + backpack challenge (use what you find on the map).
Hey, this mech doesn't die in 1 rocket shot O_O
The damage output for the mechs isnt great but they could make up for it for giving the mechs more health or armor because getting 1 or 2 shotted isnt it, it was waaaaay more tanky in the 1st game
I love them, but i hope they will allow us to take multiple as well, also making the sentry ship module upgrades apply to them ( and the hmg emplacement) would be insane given that stratagems that don't have upgrades are underpowered and less satisfying at the higher levels
People are basing their opinions on the Emancipator around us having a free mech call in. Once we only have 1 mech call in, their rose tinted glasses will come off and they'll see how it's not anywhere near good enough to warrant a 10 minute cooldown
It was pretty fun on 5-6 difficulty bug missions, but chargers took quite a bit of shots to kill. I was hesitant to play 7+ missions though. I'm hoping both mechs get a small buff
The new evacuate high priority missions (defend 8 launches) work great with the exosuits. Bring 3 turrets and the exosuit. Drop turrets, hop in suit and support them.
i think those rush missions to kill many bases or block out bug holes might be good - you are a bit faster on the robot after all as well going through the map
Takibo and sarge the only guys I watch when it comes to great helldiver gameplay . Ohdough is pretty funny to watch too though
Try PhacilGaming ;)
It's good on the easiest mission type, got it
I think the Emancipator could benefit from three buffs: more ammo, more health, and separate reticles for the two arms. I don't know how meaningful it is to not allow bringing both suits. It doesn't seem good to have two suits over one suit and another stratagem, but it would be cool. The calldown also feels meaningless to be honest. The suit just isn't that amazingly powerful to justify the limitation.
I found that in missions where I pass the extraction spot, I’ll drop a suit, so when we extract I can call down an extra without waiting. Or someone else in the group can use it. You are right, it makes defending a breeze with multiple suits.
Since you were mostly firing just one gun at a time, fire all your right gun bullets then change aiming shoulder and your left gun will be accurate :)
Idk personally I think this thing is pretty great one or two shots most things and has the ability to potentially kill any enemy and has a reasonable amount of ammo
You can bring both! You just have to separate them in the selection with another stratagem. I did it last night in a blitz.
You can actually equip both exosuits actually, you just have to replace a stratagem.
when you go traitor, you just need to make a 90 degree turn every 2 seconds and you can avoid every barrage
Me and 3 randos did the raise the flag mission with the mech and man did it feel good
I don't get why people are saying this thing is good and 'if you think it's bad it's a skill issue'
Drop an auto cannon turret and fight next to it and you will deal far more damage than the mech can. Between your primary or a support weapon like the auto cannon or flame thrower? Then add in grenades and stratigems?
The mech is getting out damaged, hard.
But you can also call in a turret every 3 minutes vs 10 and ONLY 2, ever.
Is it terrible? No. Is it good? Not really. It's fun but I'd take any of the good stratigems over it. The 2-only limit really kills any interest for me.
It doesn't help that they seem to get damaged on delivery. I've called in maybe 8 total and 2 of them came missing an arm. In a totally open area, zero idea how it came in damaged.
So this extremely expensive stratigem came missing half it's damage output and ammo.
Finally somebody agrees that the mech is good the thing is a submarine it swims in water
You got more views then the amount if HD2 players left
I think you made the best of a bad situation (using the Emancipator), but not convinced it’s a superior option to bringing strats and a good secondary.
I'm just happy I can solo these sorts of missions now.
Saw someone on a Reddit post mention that if you shoulder swap on a mech the reticle is accurate.
So its OK not good but OK at one mission. Yay?
Thank you for this video!
Helldiver fanboys trying not to hype up the most underwhelming updates challenge, *IMPOSSIBLE*
About as impossible as not complaining about literally every update too, right?
If theyd just make the durable damage 120 rather than 60 it would make it so much more worth running
Can't lie, people have been talking about how the Emancipator isn’t good, but I've run it a few times on non-eradicate and I think it's pretty good. Tanks and turrets will still obliterate it, but I've never had it die to anything else. It tanks missiles pretty well, and I've been able to run it out of ammo before I die except when a cannon turret sees me.
That said, could definitely use some more ammo, but aside from that I think its pretty good in honesty
yea mechs seem really inconsistent if they spam striders or chargers/titans and since u cant strategem you just have to get out ur mech or hope you kill them first
What if they added a second part to the mech stratagem where you can call down a mech specific resupply and then manually reload it
They really need to increase the vertical range of motion the arms have. I feel like I can’t look at something that’s at midrange because the arms are so stiff
It works well for Meridian as well
You should try double-mech build supported with a RR/Quasar and EAT
I don't like how you can't see the samples from inside the exosuit
Takibo! great video thank you
ngl it looks epic when 4 people bring the mech and shooting through the bugs
I was able to use both . Don't know why u can't 🤣✌️💯👀 Yes both exo suit. PS5 👀💯🤣🙏
Having a much lower durible damage at 60 Vs the hand hold autocannon at 160 durible damage and the sentry at 200. Shame really as it should feel powerful
Paired with a teammate rocking EATs or Quesar this mech shreds.
just using both would be sick. hope I can run that soon
If you didnt auto die when the mech is destroyed it might be worth taking. Thats a dumb mechanic they need to change. Maybe have it set you on fire as youre ejected, but auto death is dumb.
when all 4 players have their own mech these things shred through swarms
When two players have quasars and two have MGs they shred more effectively.
And without wasting time
@@arm6075 yeah but you aren’t shredding while piloting a mechanized battle suit with explosive cannons on it are you
And then for 10 mins, it’s a wasted stratagem. Use depends on mission I guess.
They hate fun. Obviously.
Yo takibo! Do you watch any helldivers content creators? If so, who are your favorites?
I love this thing. All they have to do is just make it a bit stronger. 4 shots to chargers and maybe 10 to bile titans. I only say that because no matter how armored bugs are, their armor IS NOT that strong to be taking heavy shells to the face over and over. Nature ain’t that op. The automaton walker is a perfect enemy while the bile titan makes no sense. The bile titan is honestly a lame enemy type if you think about it. Just one big spongy fast enemy type. It’s like they defy logic. They can eat rail canon strikes, missiles to the face ((that’s barely even armored if you really look at them)) can eat like 90% of a fucking laser that’s been beaming them for 20+ seconds. And there can be 2 plus of them on lvl 7 and above. Overall just a cheap enemy type.
Granted I have no idea how to fix this enemy type so my arguing ain’t really worth shit lol.
I don't get what people want out of thing it's basically souped up autocannons not like it's rocking anti-tanks on each arm
I would love if they nerfed the mechs health BUT added a built in shield
It’s so dumb that we can’t bring double exp suits. I swear the devs just really don’t want anyone to have fun playing this game.
Honestly the CD plus 2 charges are such a brainfart anyway.
10 minutes CD. (Higher even with the debuff?)
Means at smaller missions with 12-15 minutes you barely even get both charges out in the first place.
Then on big missions you could get both charges out, but even if it had no limit on the charegs you're just able to get a third out anyway, before the Super Destroyer is gone.
Means even if it had unlimited charges, you can't ever have 4 with one Stratagem in the first place. So just because of ONE charge extra you could get on normal missions, the Limit was so fucking important, huh?
Either lower the CD, so on smaller missions you are sure to be able to use your charges or get rid of the charges if you keep that huge CD, since one more Mech on a normal mission isn't going to change the game that much in the first place.
And no. You can argue as much as you want. It's nothing but a god damn brainfart of Arrowhead to have both that massive CD and two charges. It makes absolutely no fucking sense.
It's not all bad, but it's not good enough to consider in a normal loadout. If only there was more ammo or a shorter cooldown!
AH said that they are limiting it to one mech cause its to demanding to have 2 mechs selected.
what does that mean all my teammates had 3 mechs yday and it was fine
Pre nerfed mech called it.
Yes it is. Do they pay you or something? Just baffling to defend stuff like this. I can't figure it out.
Wait wait wait wasnt the whole point that they balanced things based on reality when it came to the hmg being absolute shit???? Then why is the autocannon mech not outright sentry style cannons???
Heard the Emancipator is really good against bots but shit against bugs.
BTW I guess you don't read these comments, but I and several others told you on your last video you can very easily take both mechs. All you have to do is pick one mech, pick another strat, pick 2nd mech. Although this is limited to PC and when not using a controller. Just taking two doesn't really solve anything though - they either need to be better or not be so limited in use/cooldown, and in either case the aiming needs fixed too.
by sheer dumb luck he gets to survive in his ONE Exosuit for a mere 2 min 47 of this 10 min 44 mission before he gets ROFL-stomped in it (the second suit call-in doesn't count since the free event one will like never come back and the glitch where we can bring both Mechs is clearly unintended ATM)... and he calls *that* pretty good for this mission type??
what have you been smoking today Takibo? no, sadly the Mechs aren't good - or even just mid - for this either. i'll still use them, of course, because they're Mechs - how could i not, right? but ATM i really shouldn't unfortunately.
Takibo there is a glitch right now that lets you bring both mechs just so u know
man the accuracy on those shots is just awful. they really need to fix that first and foremost if they plan on fixing this at all
Sad state of affairs when the channel I used to see proclaiming the endless victories of HD2 is now relegated to making excuses for the mediocre update items. Eh. It makes it easier to stay offline until my comrades in 170+ countries are allowed to play again. Hope ya'll have fun playing with your fellow traitors.
I think it could use a bit of a damage buff and a little more ammo but other than that it's fine. Of course it can't one shot everything so the internet is collectively losing its mind but what else is new?
You could try running the shield & the exosuit..
Still no reason to use this over the AC sentry. Lower cooldown, higher damage, and you get to keep shooting things while it does its thing. Plus not being able to aim with 50% of the already too low ammo capacity is just the icing on this shit cake
But its more fun than a sentry tho
@@jamesdarling3706 is it, though?
Ac sentry is made of paper and dies super fast
@druidicdwarf So does the mech and you only get 2 of them 😂
@@loganberkheimer1857 lol yeah because a mech dies to a few bug melee hits or two bots blasting at it like the ac sentry does. Stay delusional.
I've seen people saying you can bring both exosuits, you just cant choose the stratagems in a row
yeah if you call one in they both share the same cooldown
@@alexfrideres1198don't. No they dont
Lol how folks trying to cope with bad strategems after bad strategems is just amazing.
"Emancipator is not that bad", "you can use it for certain missions", "i dont have a problem with it". Bro, that's just coping with the fact that we havent got any good content for about a month now. We all know that they are going to make the game better. But trying to console ourselves that something isnt bad... well, I guess you are just living a fantasy.
Seems decent on bots but it sucks against bugs. Weird. Takes like 20 shots against a Bile Titan. That’s bad
After reading the comments on other videos about this mech I honestly think they could release an invincible mech suit that shoots hellbombs and there would still be people complaining about it being weak.
This mech could use some tweaks to armor, a buff in damage (I think it should be the same as the handheld auto cannon), and the aiming could use work but it’s one-shotting devastators and two or three on a hulk and can take down drop ships, it’s not weak. Some people just want it to bulldoze everything and though that might be fun for a mission or two it would get boring fast. I watched one person doing a review on it who complained after the mech was destroyed but completely ignored a group of five or so devastators that were firing on them to shoot at a factory strider that wasn’t even facing them. I was sitting there thinking “ dude, you just passed up all those enemies focus firing you to fight something that posed no threat, it’s not the mech that’s bad!” Lol. I almost am convinced they did it purposely to make a video dumping on the new mech because videos hating on everything that comes out get a lot of views it seems.
I’m all for videos being critical of new content and patches, but I prefer honest and balanced criticism, not all the reactionary overblown hyperbolic nonsense that a lot of people have been making. That’s why I appreciate videos like this one.
I personally like both suits they can't be op cause then it would be too easy
Your aim is unreal lol. I guess aim is probably easier on PC vs. PS5
So it's pretty good on the easiest mission type. Ok
Fixed it🎉
I don’t think people consider the safety aspect of things here, always complaining “it doesn’t do damage”… Without the two unfortunate deaths you literally unga bunga’ed, no sweat, no thinking and no struggle to 58% of the mission. You are absolutely right, last night with guys with 4 mechs, 0 deaths and on Lv9 eradicate mission, go to the outside of the walls, funnel the enemies, point and shoot. It’s that easy with the new mech… took down 5 factory striders, hulks as far as the battlefield could see, and extracted.
It wasn’t -1
The Helldivers community has gotten really toxic. Everybody is so quick to complain that there were literally people complaining about it before we got it. I used it several times and I felt unstoppable almost every time, getting 60 kill streaks on bugs and bots alike
Difficulty?
@@prabhav1788 7 and 8 but I dont see why it wouldn't work on 9. Especially with a group, but I did a few solo too and it works albeit in a more limited way as your mobility is restricted. Its a huge bonus to a group at extraction
Stop simping for this dev. This is a limited use, limited ammo, low hp, long cooldown disposable waste of a stratagem slot...
Even if it was super strong you wouldn't take it ever because its a dead loadout slot for the majority of missions.
Big respect for the positivity
I'm not sure why there is so much hate for this exosuit. It does pretty much exactly what I expected it to do.
I think folks just expected it to perform like the other Autocannons. 25-40 shots for tanks and bile titans is really bad when we expect it to be 5 like the sentry.
The aiming is terrible... as well as the damage...
Idk why people cry that much its made for the bots and its really good against them, you are not suppost too run around in that thing alllll game long, and its not made too one shot everything, it eats the devastators, it is very good against hulks(if you can aim), for tanks use your strategems and everyone who is crying that it cant easily destroy a factory strider is a dumbass imo, that thing is suppost too be tanky af, i think it is good how it is rn, cant have 4 people running around in unkillable machines with 2 of em per round but well nobody is using their brain
meh
I fucking love the new mech. Idk why everyone’s full of complaints about a NEW TOY that does what it’s meant to, destroy MID armored enemies, and tons of buffs are about to happen?! It’s baffling to me.
i feel like niche things are simply not exciting for ppl. Like yeah it's kinda functional 5/10, not trash, can work in some missions. Kinda maybe. Imo something as theoretically cool as a mech shouldn't evoke lukewarm feelings.
Why should people take a stratagem that is worse than others?
High cooldown, low dmg and you can only use it twice.
Autocannon Turret is e.g. much better than a Mech. or almost any Eagle... xD
I’m feeling the exact same way Ryan. With the glitch (cough cough) you can run both mechs at the same time and it’s sooooo fun. My bug build is blitzer primary+Patriot+500KG+emancipator+ orbital railcannon
Barring any unfortunate deaths to bile spew it does very well and I do not see all the justification for all the bitching. It’s not OP sure but it’s doable on the higher difficulties
@@judyfps5059 the mech is underwhelming and feels terrible to use MOST of the time. 150 shots is spent in about 2 3 minutes even if youre hitting your shots. the dmg is the same as the autocannon sentry without the durable damage which just means itll kill armored things slower, given the restrictions, no ammo refill, 2 uses, 10 minute cooldown and just the low ammo capacity i hope it gets durable damage increased so its equal to the sentry, more rounds and fix the fucking aiming on the left cannon
@@xyes57derb28because it's hell fun ?
Who cares about meta or sub tier stuff if it's hell fun. Big guns on a mech. It's all boys wet dreams.
18s and no likes ? Fell off.