We have to remember, they're misunderstanding scripture, and have become deceived. In a way, they're victims, but then they're victimizing others with a false gospel of works salvation. For instance, Ray Comfort preaches works-salvation, but it's likely because he misunderstood the meaning of "repentance" to be saved, and his belief system has cemented as he's aged. It's with good intentions, but false gospel still exists, and is harmful.
Me too Elizabeth, it makes me mad, but I do hope they come to the knowledge of the Truth, which is Jesus and His perfect sacrifice for our Salvation. Thank You Lord Jesus.
These passages(particularly Hebrews 4) used to haunt me because of those teachings. But thank God I now understand. With that said, I am constantly attacked by love one’s & friends for standing on the principle of Eternal Salvation in Christ Alone forever. So thank you for this video and God bless.
Marvel not Brother if the World hates you, it hated Jesus First. Matthew 10:34-40 King James Version 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
I was so thrilled, full of love for Jesus and hope when I was born again in March. Seeking to learn everything I could and yearning to know the truth finally, I turned to Christians on UA-cam. Listening to preachers like these was terrifying and joy destroying. I'm so grateful for you, thank you!!❤
@ steff1522 , Some other CHRIST Centered Preacher 's , Pastor. Ralph Yankee Arnold , Charles Lawson , Michael Youssef , the late J.Vernon mc.Gee * Although he's now , Absent from the body in the presence of The LORD.---- Sister Renee Roland ,( she's NOT a Preacher , she's a sheep as we are. ) ------ ** Tragically MANY do mix up the Scriptures / BIBLE , thus reading out of Context !! Salvation is nothing to do with Service. thus Two separate Issues !! --------- *
I've studied this belief system for the last year, and some of us came up with a term for their belief system. We call it "Loss of Salvation Theology" (LOST). This LOST belief is dividing the church today even more than Calvinism. The problems with LOST: 1. LOST imposes a philosophical lens on top of scripture. It says that if you can believe and be saved, you can un-believe and be un-saved. This is simply a negative inference fallacy, because the opposite is not always true. 2. The LOST view engenders a doctrine of continued faithfulness to maintain salvation (ie. works, but called "continued faith"). It's no different than the Calvinist "Perseverance of the Saints," which is works-salvation. They just replace the 'works' with "faithfulness," but it's still works. This makes LOST 1 point Calvinism. 3. LOST implies that Jesus did not die for all our sins, or His sacrifice was insufficient to save. 4. LOST implies belief/faith itself has saving power (they call it "saving faith"), which it doesn't. Belief itself doesn't save; God's grace via Jesus Christ saves us. Belief is just the means through which we are saved. 5. LOST ignores scripture. This is the big problem here. Scripture tells us we are saved, have eternal life, are sealed, are co-heirs with Christ, that no one can snatch us from God's hand, and that God will never forsake us. Also, we're children of God. Like Calvinism, LOST is not Christian. It's a false gospel of works-salvation, so please warn others against this LOST. Many anti-Calvinists and newer Christians fall into LOST, so please remind them they have eternal life and are saved eternally once they believed.
@@BibleLine Sure thing, and thanks. My wife and I spent the last year studying both their theology and behavioral traits (they can be incredibly horrible), and a lot of what we do now is help believers avoid being deceived by LOST. There's a lot of people who are new Christians or just got out of Calvinism who can fall right into this LOST deception.
@@jedimasterham2really loved reading what you typed there, but I'm confused on something... You said that belief doesn't save us? You said that up in the beginning I forget if it was number one or number two but anyway can you explain what you meant by that? I think you said that belief/faith doesn't have the power to save, I know that Christ is the reason but without belief you cannot be saved and if you do believe you are saved so I'm just trying to understand😊
People! Do you not know what eternal life is?! Eternal is forever. I love this! This is clear Bible teaching. Don’t conflate salvation with discipleship.
People who believe you can lose your salvation DO NOT believe that ALL of their sins were paid for and forgiven. They are doing good works to pay for their sins. 💯
Did you know the Bible commands us to literally be careful & diligent to maintain good works so that we can be acceptable to God & walk worthy of our calling? Yes, to be acceptable & worthy!
@@roseannemaye9263 Luke 3:3 KJV [3] And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; Vs8 says' bring forth fruits worthy of repentance' to the pharisees. Repentance is changing your mind and trusting on the atonement for right standing with God. We are found righteous by being baptized in the blood of Christ. Now if a saved person wants to be a workman studying to show him self APPROVED unto God 2 Tim 2:15 WORTHY of his calling 2 Thess 1:11, the holy spirit can then produce fruit and that man can be a living sacrifice to God for use in the great commission. He will have reward but his toiling never earned the blood of Christ Galatians 2:16. Only perfection enters into that holy city. Isaiah 64:6 ... all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;... Do you sin? We all do. Even Christians. If you trust in your ability to never sin you will never make it, your works will never be perfect enough. Especially if you're doing it to earn right standing, that's the wrong motivation. 1 Corinthians 3:1, 11-17 [1] And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ... [11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as by fire. [16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy(IN THIS LIFE GOD CORRECTS THOSE HE LOVES); for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. You have to read all of scripture and it interprets itself. If you lose the promise of salvation then God is a liar. And we know that he is not!
Thank you for rightly dividing the word of God so that people can have peace around their salvation again. I’m sick and tired of these false teachers spreading wrong information because they’re not rightly dividing. It’s so frustrating. And they will have to answer to God for all the children of God they confused.
Thank you for letting me use your platform to give your viewers scriptures. May the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ continue to bless you and your family.
When debating someone against eternal security, try this argument.... Can we agree that God knows what happens in the future ? If so, he'd know if when you die you're saved or not. So, do you stop being one of his children periodically if you can lose salvation ? Can I sin my way out of it today, gain it back tomorrow, then lose it next week ? The argument against eternal security makes no sense......
This is a true argument to bring forth, in the same sense bring forth the parable of the prodigal son. Notice how the prodigal son lost his inheritance but never lost his sonship. Sure he fell into sin and suffered dearly for it but notice how he never lost his father's love and his position as a son even while laying in pigs mud. The moment he came back to his father he gained his inheritance back and a celebration came with that, there is a clear difference in the lose of inheritance and the so called " lose of salvation " it's illogical to make an argument against the promise of eternal life that was given and not earned by ourselves, it was earned by jesus christ it's saying his work is not enough it's not an insult to us it's an insult to the lord himself
QUESTIONS for those who believe one who is saved can stop being saved: 1) what must that christian do or not do to stop being saved? 2) is not that doing or not doing a sin? 3) if not, why? 4) if a sin, why is that sin not covered by the blood of Christ ?
Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. The use of the word "faith" is key in receiving the grace that leads to salvation. Without it, there is no hope for redemption.
If you conceited you will be cut off. Yes it is a sin, the reason it is not covered by the blood of Christ this is effectively uncovering yourself of the blood, the hebrews painted the blood on their doors they were saved whilst inside but if they stepped outside… pretty self explanatory. Whilst you can argue you are sealed with a guaranterr, the word which is god then argues you can be cut off because you are merely grafted. Of course it would be better if you were sealed unconditionally but we must trust god who is perfect, and his perfect reasoning he chose to merely graft you in… for all the reasons you aforementioned. Of course while I’m in the house I’m sav3d by the blood, not by works and my salvation is guaranteed. True true and true. God plainly stated the reason why he cuts so you’ve got to ask the question… why can’t you answer your own question. Seems bizarre. We are in a sad state whe. Everyone treats their salvation like a coin being lost down the back of a couch. Very petty very vain. We are talking about the shedding of his righteous blood for our sins. It is not an unconditional guarentee. He even goes to great lengths to remind us what it does cover… highest mountain, deepest valley so we shouldn’t be like “ oh that guarantee is easily broken”. On the other hand we should be careful. Very careful indeed because if god promises to cut you off you can be sure he will . If he didn’t he’d be a mere mortal. Those that argue it’s unbelievers or apostates are imposing a false dycotamy. There is nothing in the text that even remotely justifies that arguement. It all seems based on wanting to “rest securely” rather than actually engaging on what god is saying. Jesus actuallly instructed his disciples to “stay awake” . The reasoning to have a safe secure salvation whilst justified, is a human one not a divine one. Human justification under stable… but will fully sinful and ungodly. Of course I don’t want god to but he keeps his promises, he surely will cut me off if I get so conceited. Towards that end I earnestly pray for all, not just myself.
We cannot lose salvation sealed and batized into the body of Crist in the moment we believe in Jesus and trust in his perfect blood shed on the cross to forgive our sins past presente and future
Amen brother ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED 1 John 5:13 KJV ❤✝️🙏🏼 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (Jesus Christ). Everyone is a sinner since the beginning. Although avoiding sin will improve our spiritual walk with God and here on Earth, there are No repenting of sins, no false teachings like work for your own salvation, no false signs needed to know Jesus Christ has shed His blood for all and offers the gift of eternal life to anyone who believes on him. Know you are going to Heaven today by simply believing and trusting Jesus Christ, its as simple as drinking water. ❤ He is the propitiation for the sins of the world and no other, the Gospel = Good News ❤
God has the sovereign right to give eternal life as well as to recall it. This is what Paul meant to say to true believers like the GALATIANS in GAL.5.19-21. This Ptr Jesse is just explaining away the true meaning of the Spirit anointed apostle.
@@erickanter tell that to apostle Paul. You should be ashamed for not accepting at face value this stern warning of Paul. Jesus has the sovereign right to dictate His terms in regard to inheriting God's kingdom. He did it thru apostle Paul regardless of what you prefer it to be.
Ive done everything wrong, even as a believer. Theres literally no other hope than Jesus because without Him, we wouldnt make it. Learned alot about this as a student under andrew wommack here in woodland park. I always used the bible in things i didnt understand to condemn myself and feel like im not worthy but it is being in Christ that i am the righteousness of God. Still crazy to me but i believe
John 3:36 - “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” it doesnt say he that believeith on the Son hath temporary life based on performance. I just look at John 3:36 when I run into any scripture that sounds hard to understand.
That second 'believe' is a Greek word meaning to obey. The Bible says the Holy Spirit is given to those who OBEY God. It also says Jesus is the author of salvation to those who OBEY. The Bible says we are justified by faith & works BOTH. The Bible it's not faith alone that is a saving faith. Faith without works is a dead faith, the faith of devils.
@@roseannemaye9263so what works do you have to do to be saved? The works you do? Or the works that a priest does ? Are you doing enough works? You should write out a list of works you have to do to earn salvation! You seem to know , so enlighten the rest of us oh holy one of God! Thanks much appreciated
@@roseannemaye9263John 6: 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
@@roseannemaye9263Romans 10:16-18 King James Version 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
@@roseannemaye9263Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
The primary issue is these new translations. They make it much more difficult if not impossible to determine what the correct doctrine is. Great video yet again brotha
An eye opening understanding that I got from watching Yankee Arnold was when he explained that not every time the terms salvation, saved, saving is used in scripture always refers to the soul and its eternal destiny. And differentiating justification ( salvation) from discipleship. That cleared up so much confusion for me even though I knew that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and that salvation cannot be lost ever. It is so very sad how the plain gospel of grace has been hijacked and twisted leaving many unsure of their salvation or undo, maybe not even have salvation at all. I can’t thank this channel enough and people like Yankee and Tom Cucuzza for their commitment and continual videos on the biblical gospel message as they try to teach people who are either caught up in the misrepresentation of it and those that are lost and need the truth before they hear the lies. What I hear a lot in those that teach loss of salvation regarding John 10:28 is , “ well you can jump out of God’s hand “ which totally negates that he marks us as his, gives us the Holy Spirit and is faithful to the end when we at one point placed our trust in him for his free gift. And in I Corinthians 6:9-11 they misuse that as a litmus test to prove one is saved if they don’t do those sins any more or say if you do those you weren’t really saved because you didn’t change . They fail to understand that this passage is referring to our identity and how after we have believed in Christ , we are not identified as those things but used to be. We are now a new creation BUT STILL HAVE THAT OLD FLESH NATURE. I am so grateful to the good Lord for leading me to these channels In approximately 2020 so I can live in a security in Christ like I’d never known even though at that point I’d been born again for 39 years.
@@Wukles by abiding in Christ. I would say go read Sauls story in 1st samuel. Or ezekiel. Im not coming at you with pride but trying to share some verses to show we cant go live however we feel like and expect to be saved. The parable of the servant that was forgiven is a good example. He was forgiven, he didnt forgive, and the forgiveness he was given was taken away. Romans 11:16-25 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Hebrews 12:2-11 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
We have a role and responsibility in our relationship - salvation with Jesus and that is to receive (Matthew 10:40) and remain (John 15:4) in Jesus. To receive a gift is not works. To remain with someone is the definition of a relationship.
YES! Thank you for mentioning Moses not making it to the promise land. He lost a reward there by DOUBTING what God said. Being a prime example of why we should BELIEVE Jesus’ words when He said He gives us everlasting life. I have thought about this but it’s true no one likes to talk about that particular event with Moses. Anyway good show man, you’re spreading Truth. YAH bless you and your ministry🩵
Exactly there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus! My favorite verse! I actually was raised in a pentecostal Arminian church and I cried every Sunday knowing I was never good enough. I knew something was off. Glad I left and now I have peace in Christ! I now grieve over my sin in a more healthy way, knowing his spirit guides me helps me to deny the flesh way better than under false teaching. Life is terribly hard at least it is for me, so my question at the time was why did pastors heap even more burden on the congregation when they are already at the breaking point... I knew It didn't make sense. I broke down overwhelmed and almost was done with going to any church for the hypocrisy that I saw and my poverty was what made me resent it more. It probably was Satan's tactics to make me dislike the church in general. God knew why I went through it all to make me see I depend solely on Jesus for salvation. And I should have the same grace towards others like me now that I AM SAVED!
@@jameswilson9361 Everytime someone tells me salvation can be lost I tell um stop putting brethren under condemnation an its literally one the most powerful verses we have to our defense it shuts up alot or they deflect right from me after I tell um couple times
"Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." ~John 8:36 These guys are pretty much calling Jesus a liar if they think we can lose our salvation! I've listened to Good Fight Ministry for a while, but not as often after I started hearing more of Joe Schimmel's false teachings on this very important subject. The first time I heard him talking about it, I had to play it back through to make sure I heard him correctly, because I was shocked he took this stance on it. It's literally cult-like theology!
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOREVER them that ARE sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is NO MORE offering for sin.
I have always understood the branches as being fruit bearing, from works. And we cut ourselves off from bearing fruit or walking in the works He has for us, when we choose to separate ourselves by indulging in flesh-fulness/worldliness/sin. Even as someone who once feared losing salvation, reading this passage any other way made no sense, since it states a person can be grafted back in. I never thought anyone could jump in and out of salvation, but I use to think that a person could walk away, but that’s not Good News. The Good News is all we need to do is believe, because it’s all we can do and it’s the revelation of this Good News that draws us to believe! I was saved when I was four and struggled harshly with false teachings throughout my 46 years. It’s truly amazing how the joy and peace of the Good News takes away desires to sin.
Its a hard documentary to get through with so much heresy but thankful these responses came out. Hebrews is a really encouraging book unless you believe what these guys are saying.
If we can lose the FINISHED work Jesus accomplished and imputed it to us as righteousness ---- that's an INSULT to HIS FINISHED work. We ARE ALL lost NOW if these angels of light ARE correct
Thank God his word is the final authority not man. God said it and that settles it. One is either saved or they're lost no such thing as being once saved and then you can be lost. Jesus Christ saves us forever, it not dependent, based on us but totally dependent on the finished work of Christ, he died was buried and rose again, the debt has been fully paid for all our sin debt (past, present, future) by the precious blood of Jesus, the spotless, sinless, righteous Lamb of God.
We certainly pray and desire that all believers endure, but the old flesh nature often gets in the way. Praise God our salvation is in Jesus Christ and not in our endurance! - Trent
Jesse, I really appreciate your ministry. I can count on one hand the people I know that believe in once saved always saved no matter what! And yes, I’m only referring to spirit filled believers. John3:3 (followers of Christ) can I make it any clearer? I think one reason many people don’t believe in eternal security. They don’t understand what’s going to happen at the judgment seat of Christ. God‘s not running a great commune in the sky. We are going to give an account for what we did with our time here on planet Earth.
They are doing nothing but gaslighting. It's spiritual abuse. They all say the same thing "The first verse says the Jews were cut off corporately, and the next verse says you personally will be cut off too." Wat?
Ive been studying this exact subject for years and thank God, Jesus gave me and others understanding, and I am 100% fully persuaded, in One Saved Always Saved. Once a believer really gets that down-pat, a lot of other mysteries of the Bible are unlocked. Because your faith soars. And you must approach Jesus with faith, and the word of God with Faith. Jesus Christ is in every page of the word because Jesus is the Word. You begin to see Jesus Christ, and the gospel, everywhere in the bible.....it is the key....Once Saved Always Saved....Hallelujah
The question I have for these people about 1 Corinthians 9 is do they think eternal life is a reward? In verse 17 and 18 Paul talks about preaching the Gospel to receive a reward, verse 19-23 he explains what he’s doing to receive this reward, verse 24-27 he gives a analogy of running a race to receive a “prize” and how if he doesn’t continue to run this race he won’t get his “prize” he’ll be disqualified from receiving a “prize/reward”. I emphasize prize and reward because Romans 5:11,15-18 and Romans 6:23 to name a few say that eternal life/justification/righteousness/atonement are free gifts so if there free gifts then how can they be a reward or prize?
They say the we willfully sin and it can lead to destruction. Is it wilfully sinning to deny the Gospel? They believe they are right and we who put our trust in Jesus are condemned. There is no Condemnation in Christ!
Hello Jesse and Trent, do you know about Provisionism? I found out it's one of the doctrines of salvation, it looks like Free Grace, what's the main difference between them?
This is an outstanding video that easily refutes the dangerous doctrines in the documentary film. It’s staggering how out of context they are! Just simple cherry picking without considering whole paragraphs with preceding and following verses.
I would just question the motive for wanting once saved always saved to be true; is it so you can serve the Lord in confidence without fear of losing faith, or is it to have license to sin? If the goal is license to sin then that motive shows a false faith. God sees your heart and knows why you really want it to be true.
We really and truly don’t “want it to be true,” but we truly believe it is true. Scriptures such as Romans 3, 4, 8, Ephesians 1, John 6 and others show us this doctrine is true. The very point regarding eternal life being eternal life is the main reason we believe in eternal security. It is not temporary, probationary or life until you sin again. - Trent
im not too sure if that is what 1 Corinthians 9:27 is talking about. i think it was more so about Paul setting an example for others, so that when he preaches the Word or the Gospel to anyone(even if he includes life style changes), his preaching would hold weight. if you were to tell others about the Good News and about how much Jesus changed you, yet you were still living a wild and non-convicted life style, your testimony would lose it’s validity. that is why he says "lest i myself be disqualified". i dont think these passages have anything to do with rewards, but more so to do with hypocrisy; a.k.a. practicing what you preach.
I have a genuine question that has come up as I am listening to them talk. Are they truly saved since they are not believing they are saved by grace through faith? Is this an essential doctrine where they are missing the mark or are they still saved and Jesus will just deal with that aspect when they come before him? Or will it be more of a “depart,I never knew you” type of thing since they are getting it so wrong? I hope that makes sense bc this is something I’m honestly wondering.
@@Ginabritt7 The panel of pastors and theologians didn't even speak to verses that support what it takes for one to be saved. So it's a fine line of not knowing if they believe whether their salvation was obtained through grace alone, faith alone, Christ alone. One must believe in Jesus and His redemptive finished work at the cross but none spoke to how one obtains salvation just how one can lose it. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18 There are many that claim to believe in the Gospel but they either frontload it with their own works for salvation and/or they add works to preserve their salvation. Either Christ paid 100% of our death penalty or they believe Christ died 90% and they have to finish the rest. Christ paid it all; that's the Good News!! For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Eph 2:8-9 Their fruits are what they believe, which is that their good works must be added to Christ's finished work.With that said, it is possible some of the pastors on the panel were saved as believers and yet now, they are erring in their doctrinal interpretation and falling away from the truth. The ones who entered the door by believing in Christ's finished work (death, burial and resurrection) would be saved but will endure chastening here on earth and loss of rewards in heaven. God's gifts are irrevocable; salvation is a gift that cannot be lost. I hope this helps. Hopefully Trent will weigh in! May God bless!
@@Ginabritt7 Matt 7:21-23 is speaking to those who did not believe in Christ's finished work but who trusted in their own works. I think of Prosperity Gospel preachers and Mormons as examples.
Put simply, our salvation depends solely on the person and work of Jesus Christ. As we continue to trust in him, we will experience the power of the Holy Spirit at work in our lives to make us more like Jesus. When we see this happening, our assurance that we truly are one of God's children grows. The Holy Spirit living in you is who guides us to our purpose in Jesus. We must possess the Holy Spirit to be saved. He is necessary for salvation. He is the seal of God, and its the Holy Spirit that brings us into a relationship with the Lord. He transforms your heart and mind, and conforms you into the character of Christ. When the Holy Spirit comes to live inside of you upon salvation, we become a temple for the Holy Spirit, or the temple of God. He becomes your helper and teacher, as well as the power and strength to avoid temptations. The Holy Spirit is your evidence you have been Born Again. 1John 2:27 says, But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true-it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ.
And my other question which pertains to this subject matter what if I am already saved because I have believed the gospel, what if I happen to be alive in the great tribulation and took the mark of the beast would I lose salvation?
That’s one way we know the rapture/resurrection of the Body of Christ will be pre-Tribulation ~~ We have been given everlasting life and SHALL NEVER perish. So, we cannot be put into a situation where we may do something that damns ALL who do it.
Have a real question if you see this says there is now no condemnation then why does I heard someone say I think it was the apostle which the preacher will have the greater condemnation
Can the proponents of working to maintain salvation explain this the apostle Paul" To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Don't anyone say I condone believers going full bore into a sin lifestyle because I am not." My question to you workers for salvation do you ever sin.?
Thank you sir for you input into this, God bless you. I think we need to establish somethings, when people say OSAS is not true, we aint saying: 1. You work for your salvation. 2. You should live in fear of going to hell as a beliver 3. You can earn your Salvation 4. You are condemned if you sin. I believe our Salvation is eternal, and that whatever God does from Gods standpoint its forever, But the problem and biases is that we only look at it from Gods standpoint, Yes God didnt need our cooperation before salvation, Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. But when we come into Christ we become a part and a player, and thats why we have our responsibilities, you would see things like walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh, this is speaking to us as participant. So I want us to establish that we are players who have our parts. A genuine believer should not live in fear of going to hell, I think our place of consensus should be that every believer grow, this argument of loosing ones faith will not even come in the first place if we channel this to believers growth. Wether you believe in OSAS or not we are brethrens and this shouldnt bring strife as it is already especially in the part of the world I came from. if we place more emphasy on growing believers, this matter wont be up in the first place. Thank you.❤
hiya Pastor Jesse and @bibleline... May I know your stand on christians who are saved (which they think they are, and visibly working on God's kindom like evangelizing and witnessing, etc.), yet undergoing mental issues, then sadly committed suicide? what is your thoughts on this? Are they still saved, or does that display an unbelief in God? I have read some articles that commits this because of mental issues. Is this the same case with Judas or not?
judas was never saved/ 1s john 5/4 kjv for whatsover is born of god overcometh the world . and this is the victory and this is the victory that overcometh the world,. EVEN OUR FAITH god cant deny himself, he said he would never leave us or forsake us, any question you may have , the answer is in the bible
All these men who claim to be teachers have failed miserably at answering this one important question; What is the level of obedience and work one needs to do in order to have assurance of salvation? Show me the example in a sinful believer that meets the minimum requirements for Christs acceptance of them based on their obedience and sanctification? Then we will all KNOW just how good to be so we too can be assured of our salvation? 🤔 does that sound like the gospel?
@@BibleLinecommon grace. How does a person, who has no affinity toward God, place his confidence in someone he doesn't believe? Can you force yourself to love onions if you naturally hate them? Can you force yourself to believe in flat earth if you don't a bent toward conspiracy theory stuff? It just doesn't make sense that a person can will themselves into believing something they hate.
The command to be saved is not to love God, it’s not to work for God, it isn’t to obey God, and it isn’t to try and please him in some way. The only thing a person must do to be saved is believe in Jesus Christ for the full payment of their sin. God died for all people, and he gives all people the opportunity to believe. 1 John 2:1-2 - death for all. John 16:8-11 - conviction upon all Romans 3:20-28 - grace unto all, but salvation/justification is to those who believe. Remove the illustration of man made thinking, and the scripture is clear. - Trent
@@BibleLinePlease, to clarify. I will make it short. I trusted God everything depended on Him, then what happen was Baptism just like Jesus received in Jordan, or rather(not to blaspheme) like Paul received on the road to Damascus. But in half an hour I had my wildernesses moment, with demons roll in on me, and I flunked it, got deceived. Am I considered saved? I didn’t put my trust in Grace I had received to rebuke the devil. So am I saved still? What would happen to us if Jesus had flunked the wilderness testing? If dispensattionalism is a lie, is me failing the wilderness moment an apostasy? Why Jesus said that if a man lets old demons come back into him - it’s going to be worse than before and He doesn’t even mention a cure for it 😢?
Question... Are these people simply in error? Or do they not actually believe the gospel? I know this might sound like a dumb question. But, aren't these that Paul warns us about- those who bring another gospel? How am I to understand these men? Are they believers in error, or wolves? How do I tell the difference?
It’s hard to know if they have ever believed the truth because we can’t see faith. They could be saved because they may have believed the true gospel as a child (God knows). We have to go according to their message (the words they speak). They believe salvation can be lost in one of two ways (essentially). 1) If you continue in a lifestyle of sin and 2) If you stop believing in Christ. They reject eternal security which is crucial to the gospel message. If you’re not saved eternally, then Jesus did no good; your hope is in nothing really. Hope this helps some. We are careful to say “they’re unsaved” or “they’re saved.” We cannot truly know aside from what people say. - Trent
@BibleLine if you are not saved eternally Jesus did no good;your hope is in nothing really, you said. It's the opposite of your contention. By nonmeritorious faith Jesus will save you after which by nonmeritous faith His grace and Spirit will cause you not to walk in the flesh and not back to a sinful lifestyle. When you sin, all you need to do is acknowledge it and He gives you the grace of forgiveness. Your need of His grace is lifelong and His grace provision is for a lifetime. So your hope in Him is really for a lifetime. Unlike your concept of a gracious Savior.
Your concept of eternal salvation is of a powerless,non transforming event that is far removed from those instances of regeneration after people believed the word preached/taught by Jesus and His disciples. ex. Zaccheus LK.19.8-9 ex. 3000 people ACTS 2.41-42 Moreover your concept could not reconcile with passages of scripture that deal with the possibility of losing salvation such as GAL.5.19-21,ROM.8.1,5-6,13 So what you do is to explain away the clear meaning of these scriptures.
@CesarDanao it is by God's grace that we are transformed. I'm empowered to be obedient because it is God's grace that trains obedience in those who belong to Him. Jesus only gives one kind of life. That's eternal life. And if you believe on the Son alone for salvation, you will be saved.
@ShamelesslyRed God gave eternal life to the Galatian believers 1.2 being members of Christ's church in Galatia. Like any believer they were saved by grace and faith. EPH.2.8-9 But later on in GAL.5.19-21 they were warned as before that believers who practice such things (as listed above)will not inherit God's kingdom.5.21 Therefore believers ought to continue receiving grace by means of faith to maintain a righteous lifestyle.
If you don't believe once saved always saved...I truly believe that these people are true narcissists. .who seem to think that they are secured for heaven...but the rest of us are not....pride....ego...has gone to their heads...and I can't be convinced otherwise...
Their linguistic gymnastics are truly astounding. Paul wrote a letter to the church in Rome. It is one continuous narrative. I wonder what Paul would say to these people who are literally cherry-picking individual sentences of his and completely misrepresenting what he said to mean the exact opposite. Like you said, if you JUST READ IT, there is no confusion. I can cherry-pick words and sentences out of the Emancipation Proclamation and make Lincoln sound like he hated the black race and wanted to exterminate them. This is the clearest example of the textbook definition of gaslighting that I have ever seen. These people are truly "deceiving and being deceived." I pray that this line of thinking will not ultimately end with them standing before Christ proclaiming "Lord, Lord..." only to have him say, "I never knew you." Their twisting of the plain and clear truth of the gospel is really disturbing.
27:34 He was using the interpretation of corporate election and applying that to an unbeliever of that corporate group, because he thinks that the "they" is talking to believers because of the "faith" in the other verse. So then he sets up an unfair straw man of the passage, saying that an unbeliever would not just be "cut off" because it says that the "they" had "faith." The "they" is talking about corporate Israel, period. This has sub groups of believers and unbelievers. The sub groups are irrelevant. Therefore, the corporate group of Gentiles can also be cut off. Also, when read entirely and properly, the passage rightfully opposes supersessionism (i.e. the reformer doctrine that God replaced Israel with the Church) because there were gentile BELIEVERS who thought that they were "better" than ethnic Israel because of God's revelation being spread to the Gentiles, i.e. the rest of the world. Its all about how God chooses to reveal Himself through people groups, and has nothing to do with eternal salvation. Great video!
37:56 - who’s taking a laissez faire attitude toward sin if it isn’t to one who thinks any level of sin is acceptable when attempting to earn your way into Heaven?
@@VincentDavito so I've heard, I have friends in America and they told me about the blue bunny ice cream 🍦 apparently it is good. Oh wow, how cool, Perth is on the other side of the country from where I live. I have heard Perth is beautiful. Have a great night. God bless.
Jesus told the thief on the cross he'd be with him in heaven. Now if between the time Jesus told him that and the time the thief died the thief lost his salvation and ended up in hell that would have made Jesus a liar, either that or it would have meant Jesus didn't know what he was talking about. When we are born again we are assured by the holy spirit that we have eternal life. If between the time the Holy Spirit assured us that we were saved and the time that we died we lost our salvation that would have made God himself a liar
I think it’s pretty simple. In my opinion, most people that believe you can lose your salvation. Believe this because they don’t have the assurance of the Holy Spirit living within them. John3:3 Which means their lost, and on their way to hell. The rest of them are on their way to heaven. They’re just believing a lie.
IN CHRIST, it’s impossible to “return to the world”. It’s not talking about our flesh, what it does or does not do. Being either baptized into Christ or in the world (unsaved) is a Spiritual position. Nothing to do with our actions in this mortal flesh.
@@krissyyoung9264 In my opinion you are not discerning the scriptures correctly. So what you are implying is that once you are saved you can just go on sinning with no consequences?
@@marshallgiles6255 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: if you think you can sin and there no consequences then you do not read your Bible. Rewards are lost & won, NOT salvation.
Let check John 6, verse 53-58 n our saviour’ last supper He called the disciples to partake. Flesh n blood of Christ to sustain our walk of righteousness from partaking Christ flesh n blood over n over again to make us in Him n Christ- father in us. HolySpirit in control mortifying deed of flesh n renewing our soul- mind given our Spirit hid in Christ in God safely at right hand if our Father in Christ. Hope this is helpful from Our HolySpirit inspiring me to share
Because they have lie about it. I posted to a guy on HisChannel103 and asked how do you argue that? He still came back with verses and basically said Jesus is a liar, he was right.
I think I can answer my second question. It was because the Bible says mark their names are not written doesn’t make any sense. I’m a true believer. I would literally lose my salvation.
in Hebrews 6:4, I believe when it begins saying it is impossible i believe he is saying that the whole situation described afterward is impossible. That if hypothetically, you could lose your salvation you wouldnt be able to get it back, if that were true. In the view of the men in the documentary, It would have to mean, that backsliders cant return to the Lord either. And most of them dont believe that. They believe backsliding is loss of salvation but that they can return. Most that I know at least believe that. I believe a christian can backslide but I dont think that equals loss of salvation. The Lord will discipline you and if He doesnt take you home He will eventually bring you back(see Isaiah 57:14-19)... Also in context the writer of hebrews is trying to let christians know that they need to essentially graduate from the elementary principles of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God aka Salvation. As many christians often, especially as brand new converts have a tendency to believe that every time we sin we can believe we need to repent and get saved again. There does come a point that we need to grow and get rid of that mindset, move forward, and then plainly lets us know in verse 4 that losing your salvation is impossible.
Hebrews 6:6 refers to those who have "fallen away" from their faith, and Hebrews 10:27 says they should expect "a fearful expectation of judgment". It says that a hard heart towards God's teachings, without repentance, can lead to a slow death of faith. I believe if a person just carefully reads the book of Hebrews, with as few preconceptions as possible, they will conclude a person can turn from Christ, become a non-believer, and forfeit salvation. Other New Testament books also teach this sobering truth. (2 Peter 2:20-22) If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
I can't help but instantly get angry when I hear them. I pray that they will turn from this wickedness and believe the Gospel.
We have to remember, they're misunderstanding scripture, and have become deceived. In a way, they're victims, but then they're victimizing others with a false gospel of works salvation. For instance, Ray Comfort preaches works-salvation, but it's likely because he misunderstood the meaning of "repentance" to be saved, and his belief system has cemented as he's aged. It's with good intentions, but false gospel still exists, and is harmful.
Me too Elizabeth, it makes me mad, but I do hope they come to the knowledge of the Truth, which is Jesus and His perfect sacrifice for our Salvation.
Thank You Lord Jesus.
Amen.
They're warning people to be faithful to God. That makes you angry? You may want to ask God to help you understand why this evokes anger in you
@@FollowingJesus129 they're warning people to work for salvation and yes, that makes me very angry.
Thanks Jessie... keep preaching against their false gospel... kingdom is blessed to have you
These passages(particularly Hebrews 4) used to haunt me because of those teachings. But thank God I now understand. With that said, I am constantly attacked by love one’s & friends for standing on the principle of Eternal Salvation in Christ Alone forever. So thank you for this video and God bless.
Marvel not Brother if the World hates you, it hated Jesus First.
Matthew 10:34-40
King James Version
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
God. bless thia channel. You are amazing preacher.
I was so thrilled, full of love for Jesus and hope when I was born again in March. Seeking to learn everything I could and yearning to know the truth finally, I turned to Christians on UA-cam. Listening to preachers like these was terrifying and joy destroying. I'm so grateful for you, thank you!!❤
@ steff1522 , Some other CHRIST Centered Preacher 's , Pastor. Ralph Yankee Arnold , Charles Lawson , Michael Youssef , the late J.Vernon mc.Gee * Although he's now , Absent from the body in the presence of The LORD.---- Sister Renee Roland ,( she's NOT a Preacher , she's a sheep as we are. ) ------ ** Tragically MANY do mix up the Scriptures / BIBLE , thus reading out of Context !! Salvation is nothing to do with Service. thus Two separate Issues !! --------- *
Always awesome to learn from a real christian❤
I've studied this belief system for the last year, and some of us came up with a term for their belief system. We call it "Loss of Salvation Theology" (LOST). This LOST belief is dividing the church today even more than Calvinism. The problems with LOST:
1. LOST imposes a philosophical lens on top of scripture. It says that if you can believe and be saved, you can un-believe and be un-saved. This is simply a negative inference fallacy, because the opposite is not always true.
2. The LOST view engenders a doctrine of continued faithfulness to maintain salvation (ie. works, but called "continued faith"). It's no different than the Calvinist "Perseverance of the Saints," which is works-salvation. They just replace the 'works' with "faithfulness," but it's still works. This makes LOST 1 point Calvinism.
3. LOST implies that Jesus did not die for all our sins, or His sacrifice was insufficient to save.
4. LOST implies belief/faith itself has saving power (they call it "saving faith"), which it doesn't. Belief itself doesn't save; God's grace via Jesus Christ saves us. Belief is just the means through which we are saved.
5. LOST ignores scripture. This is the big problem here. Scripture tells us we are saved, have eternal life, are sealed, are co-heirs with Christ, that no one can snatch us from God's hand, and that God will never forsake us. Also, we're children of God.
Like Calvinism, LOST is not Christian. It's a false gospel of works-salvation, so please warn others against this LOST. Many anti-Calvinists and newer Christians fall into LOST, so please remind them they have eternal life and are saved eternally once they believed.
Wow, that’s a great explanation and categorization. I’ll share this with Jesse 🤣
- Trent
That was a great read 👍
Well done presented clear even I got the meaning without getting mixed up
God bless you sir
@@BibleLine Sure thing, and thanks. My wife and I spent the last year studying both their theology and behavioral traits (they can be incredibly horrible), and a lot of what we do now is help believers avoid being deceived by LOST. There's a lot of people who are new Christians or just got out of Calvinism who can fall right into this LOST deception.
@@jedimasterham2really loved reading what you typed there, but I'm confused on something... You said that belief doesn't save us? You said that up in the beginning I forget if it was number one or number two but anyway can you explain what you meant by that? I think you said that belief/faith doesn't have the power to save, I know that Christ is the reason but without belief you cannot be saved and if you do believe you are saved so I'm just trying to understand😊
Excellent points made.
Man, you're fantastic at sharing the truth. You should have far more followers. Love your videos.
People! Do you not know what eternal life is?! Eternal is forever. I love this! This is clear Bible teaching. Don’t conflate salvation with discipleship.
This has been a blessing. If I was in Florida, I would be at this church….
Amen, Pastor Jesse and Trent!
Y'all are exceptional teacher's of the one true Gospel of Jesus Christ!🙏🏻
I thank the lord for me stumbling on this page i have not been able to shut it off since , God bless you pastor jessie.
Thank you so much for the work you are doing to spread the truth ❤️🙏
People who believe you can lose your salvation DO NOT believe that ALL of their sins were paid for and forgiven. They are doing good works to pay for their sins. 💯
Did you know the Bible commands us to literally be careful & diligent to maintain good works so that we can be acceptable to God & walk worthy of our calling? Yes, to be acceptable & worthy!
@@roseannemaye9263wrong
@@roseannemaye9263 That’s for Christian growth and discipleship. NOT for salvation.
@@roseannemaye9263 Luke 3:3 KJV
[3] And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Vs8 says' bring forth fruits worthy of repentance' to the pharisees.
Repentance is changing your mind and trusting on the atonement for right standing with God. We are found righteous by being baptized in the blood of Christ.
Now if a saved person wants to be a workman studying to show him self APPROVED unto God 2 Tim 2:15 WORTHY of his calling 2 Thess 1:11, the holy spirit can then produce fruit and that man can be a living sacrifice to God for use in the great commission.
He will have reward but his toiling never earned the blood of Christ
Galatians 2:16.
Only perfection enters into that holy city.
Isaiah 64:6 ... all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;...
Do you sin? We all do. Even Christians. If you trust in your ability to never sin you will never make it, your works will never be perfect enough. Especially if you're doing it to earn right standing, that's the wrong motivation.
1 Corinthians 3:1, 11-17
[1] And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ...
[11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as by fire. [16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy(IN THIS LIFE GOD CORRECTS THOSE HE LOVES); for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
You have to read all of scripture and it interprets itself. If you lose the promise of salvation then God is a liar. And we know that he is not!
Amen 🙏
Thank you for rightly dividing the word of God so that people can have peace around their salvation again. I’m sick and tired of these false teachers spreading wrong information because they’re not rightly dividing. It’s so frustrating. And they will have to answer to God for all the children of God they confused.
Thank you for letting me use your platform to give your viewers scriptures.
May the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ continue to bless you and your family.
Fantastic video Pastor Jesse. I need to go back and watch the first part. Many people confuse God's favor with salvation. Thanks for the content.
Thank you so much dear Pastor Jesse. I learn so much & get established what I believe already. ❤️🙏❤️💯✨️ God's richest blessings.
Love your teaching! Always good stuff!
When debating someone against eternal security, try this argument.... Can we agree that God knows what happens in the future ? If so, he'd know if when you die you're saved or not. So, do you stop being one of his children periodically if you can lose salvation ? Can I sin my way out of it today, gain it back tomorrow, then lose it next week ? The argument against eternal security makes no sense......
Amen so true
@@Billy-Brown Amen brother !!!!
Really good points.
@johnconstantine2754 thanks, I think so, too. The opponents of eternal security think you have to keep being born again......
This is a true argument to bring forth, in the same sense bring forth the parable of the prodigal son. Notice how the prodigal son lost his inheritance but never lost his sonship. Sure he fell into sin and suffered dearly for it but notice how he never lost his father's love and his position as a son even while laying in pigs mud. The moment he came back to his father he gained his inheritance back and a celebration came with that, there is a clear difference in the lose of inheritance and the so called " lose of salvation " it's illogical to make an argument against the promise of eternal life that was given and not earned by ourselves, it was earned by jesus christ it's saying his work is not enough it's not an insult to us it's an insult to the lord himself
Double blessed!. Saved by God's grace and Puerto Rican! 😃
The only scriptures these people don't twist are the ones they never mention.
QUESTIONS for those who believe one who is saved can stop being saved:
1) what must that christian do or not do to stop being saved?
2) is not that doing or not doing a sin?
3) if not, why?
4) if a sin, why is that sin not covered by the blood of Christ ?
Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The use of the word "faith" is key in receiving the grace that leads to salvation. Without it, there is no hope for redemption.
If you conceited you will be cut off. Yes it is a sin, the reason it is not covered by the blood of Christ this is effectively uncovering yourself of the blood, the hebrews painted the blood on their doors they were saved whilst inside but if they stepped outside… pretty self explanatory. Whilst you can argue you are sealed with a guaranterr, the word which is god then argues you can be cut off because you are merely grafted. Of course it would be better if you were sealed unconditionally but we must trust god who is perfect, and his perfect reasoning he chose to merely graft you in… for all the reasons you aforementioned. Of course while I’m in the house I’m sav3d by the blood, not by works and my salvation is guaranteed. True true and true. God plainly stated the reason why he cuts so you’ve got to ask the question… why can’t you answer your own question. Seems bizarre. We are in a sad state whe. Everyone treats their salvation like a coin being lost down the back of a couch. Very petty very vain. We are talking about the shedding of his righteous blood for our sins. It is not an unconditional guarentee. He even goes to great lengths to remind us what it does cover… highest mountain, deepest valley so we shouldn’t be like “ oh that guarantee is easily broken”. On the other hand we should be careful. Very careful indeed because if god promises to cut you off you can be sure he will . If he didn’t he’d be a mere mortal. Those that argue it’s unbelievers or apostates are imposing a false dycotamy. There is nothing in the text that even remotely justifies that arguement. It all seems based on wanting to “rest securely” rather than actually engaging on what god is saying. Jesus actuallly instructed his disciples to “stay awake” . The reasoning to have a safe secure salvation whilst justified, is a human one not a divine one. Human justification under stable… but will fully sinful and ungodly. Of course I don’t want god to but he keeps his promises, he surely will cut me off if I get so conceited. Towards that end I earnestly pray for all, not just myself.
@@Madcow7777 well said. I agree. Blessings.
Hebrew 10:26
Thank you brother. Struggle sometimes with certain verses. This helps a lot. God bless
I see what your saying now, im gonna listen more to your channel, good explanation you did
Another great video brother. Clear and thorough. Also the editor is very talented. God bless everyone over there. Keep it up. ❤️
Amen to that my brother in Christ forever 👍 ❤️ 🙏 🙌 💙
If you are in Christ you are secure!
We cannot lose salvation sealed and batized into the body of Crist in the moment we believe in Jesus and trust in his perfect blood shed on the cross to forgive our sins past presente and future
Amen brother ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
1 John 5:13 KJV ❤✝️🙏🏼
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (Jesus Christ).
Everyone is a sinner since the beginning.
Although avoiding sin will improve our spiritual walk with God and here on Earth, there are No repenting of sins, no false teachings like work for your own salvation, no false signs needed to know Jesus Christ has shed His blood for all and offers the gift of eternal life to anyone who believes on him. Know you are going to Heaven today by simply believing and trusting Jesus Christ, its as simple as drinking water. ❤ He is the propitiation for the sins of the world and no other, the Gospel = Good News ❤
salvation is a gift of God the gifts of God are irrevocable if you could lose the gift of salvation God would be a liar
So much pride.
Does anyone have Pastor Jesse’s email address?
Yes how can we get in touch please?
If we could lose our salvation, none of us would make it.
God has the sovereign right to give eternal life as well as to recall it. This is what Paul meant to say to true believers like the GALATIANS in GAL.5.19-21. This Ptr Jesse is just explaining away the true meaning of the Spirit anointed apostle.
@@CesarDanao Shame on you!!!!!!! You are saying Christs sacrifice on the cross failed or at the very least needs our help.
@@erickanter tell that to apostle Paul. You should be ashamed for not accepting at face value this stern warning of Paul. Jesus has the sovereign right to dictate His terms in regard to inheriting God's kingdom. He did it thru apostle Paul regardless of what you prefer it to be.
Ive done everything wrong, even as a believer. Theres literally no other hope than Jesus because without Him, we wouldnt make it.
Learned alot about this as a student under andrew wommack here in woodland park.
I always used the bible in things i didnt understand to condemn myself and feel like im not worthy but it is being in Christ that i am the righteousness of God. Still crazy to me but i believe
Andrew Wommack is a word of faith prosperity teacher. Stay away from that stuff. I used to be in it and realize how UNbiblical it is.
i watch andrew wommack every day , and support him. recomend his teaching.
Between these strange doctrines, prosperity gospel, Hebrew Roots, and Calvinism I don't know how any Evangelical can find the truth on the internet.
Sound doctrine channels are few and far between, for sure! I encourage prayer, asking the Lord for discernment and to guide us to them. He will!
Great explanation of Romans 9 - 11
John 3:36 - “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” it doesnt say he that believeith on the Son hath temporary life based on performance. I just look at John 3:36 when I run into any scripture that sounds hard to understand.
That second 'believe' is a Greek word meaning to obey. The Bible says the Holy Spirit is given to those who OBEY God. It also says Jesus is the author of salvation to those who OBEY. The Bible says we are justified by faith & works BOTH. The Bible it's not faith alone that is a saving faith. Faith without works is a dead faith, the faith of devils.
@@roseannemaye9263so what works do you have to do to be saved? The works you do? Or the works that a priest does ? Are you doing enough works? You should write out a list of works you have to do to earn salvation! You seem to know , so enlighten the rest of us oh holy one of God! Thanks much appreciated
@@roseannemaye9263John 6: 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
@@roseannemaye9263Romans 10:16-18
King James Version
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
@@roseannemaye9263Ephesians 2:8-9
New International Version
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
The primary issue is these new translations. They make it much more difficult if not impossible to determine what the correct doctrine is. Great video yet again brotha
An eye opening understanding that I got from watching Yankee Arnold was when he explained that not every time the terms salvation, saved, saving is used in scripture always refers to the soul and its eternal destiny. And differentiating justification ( salvation) from discipleship.
That cleared up so much confusion for me even though I knew that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and that salvation cannot be lost ever.
It is so very sad how the plain gospel of grace has been hijacked and twisted leaving many unsure of their salvation or undo, maybe not even have salvation at all.
I can’t thank this channel enough and people like Yankee and Tom Cucuzza for their commitment and continual videos on the biblical gospel message as they try to teach people who are either caught up in the misrepresentation of it and those that are lost and need the truth before they hear the lies.
What I hear a lot in those that teach loss of salvation regarding John 10:28 is , “ well you can jump out of God’s hand “ which totally negates that he marks us as his, gives us the Holy Spirit and is faithful to the end when we at one point placed our trust in him for his free gift.
And in I Corinthians 6:9-11 they misuse that as a litmus test to prove one is saved if they don’t do those sins any more or say if you do those you weren’t really saved because you didn’t change .
They fail to understand that this passage is referring to our identity and how after we have believed in Christ , we are not identified as those things but used to be. We are now a new creation BUT STILL HAVE THAT OLD FLESH NATURE.
I am so grateful to the good Lord for leading me to these channels In approximately 2020 so I can live in a security in Christ like I’d never known even though at that point I’d been born again for 39 years.
Ever notice that these pastors always talk of other people losing their salvation but they are somehow exempt? Religious pride.
😂yes I wondered what they think about their own souls.They ought to be terrified!!!😮
Im certain Joe doesnt believe he is exempt. Thats slander
@@Jesusisnumberone5740how does he sleep at night then?
Ever notice the ones who teach that salvation can be lost? They teach from hate & pride.
@@Wukles by abiding in Christ. I would say go read Sauls story in 1st samuel. Or ezekiel. Im not coming at you with pride but trying to share some verses to show we cant go live however we feel like and expect to be saved. The parable of the servant that was forgiven is a good example. He was forgiven, he didnt forgive, and the forgiveness he was given was taken away.
Romans 11:16-25 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Hebrews 12:2-11 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Nice breakdown!!!
Anticipating taking Roman's class soon with FBC! Great debate! God bless and thank Jesse for keeping proper Hermenuetics! Context is king!
We have a role and responsibility in our relationship - salvation with Jesus and that is to receive (Matthew 10:40) and remain (John 15:4) in Jesus.
To receive a gift is not works.
To remain with someone is the definition of a relationship.
YES! Thank you for mentioning Moses not making it to the promise land. He lost a reward there by DOUBTING what God said. Being a prime example of why we should BELIEVE Jesus’ words when He said He gives us everlasting life.
I have thought about this but it’s true no one likes to talk about that particular event with Moses.
Anyway good show man, you’re spreading Truth.
YAH bless you and your ministry🩵
1st Timothy Chp 4 vs 1, end of discussion.
Free Grace, and free will.
These guys believe the brethern can come back undercondemnation if you can loose ur salvation that means youd have to come back under condemnation
Exactly there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus! My favorite verse!
I actually was raised in a pentecostal Arminian church and I cried every Sunday knowing I was never good enough. I knew something was off. Glad I left and now I have peace in Christ!
I now grieve over my sin in a more healthy way, knowing his spirit guides me helps me to deny the flesh way better than under false teaching.
Life is terribly hard at least it is for me, so my question at the time was why did pastors heap even more burden on the congregation when they are already at the breaking point... I knew It didn't make sense. I broke down overwhelmed and almost was done with going to any church for the hypocrisy that I saw and my poverty was what made me resent it more. It probably was Satan's tactics to make me dislike the church in general.
God knew why I went through it all to make me see I depend solely on Jesus for salvation. And I should have the same grace towards others like me now that I AM SAVED!
@@jameswilson9361 Everytime someone tells me salvation can be lost I tell um stop putting brethren under condemnation an its literally one the most powerful verses we have to our defense it shuts up alot or they deflect right from me after I tell um couple times
"Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." ~John 8:36 These guys are pretty much calling Jesus a liar if they think we can lose our salvation! I've listened to Good Fight Ministry for a while, but not as often after I started hearing more of Joe Schimmel's false teachings on this very important subject. The first time I heard him talking about it, I had to play it back through to make sure I heard him correctly, because I was shocked he took this stance on it. It's literally cult-like theology!
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOREVER them that ARE sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is NO MORE offering for sin.
I have always understood the branches as being fruit bearing, from works. And we cut ourselves off from bearing fruit or walking in the works He has for us, when we choose to separate ourselves by indulging in flesh-fulness/worldliness/sin. Even as someone who once feared losing salvation, reading this passage any other way made no sense, since it states a person can be grafted back in. I never thought anyone could jump in and out of salvation, but I use to think that a person could walk away, but that’s not Good News. The Good News is all we need to do is believe, because it’s all we can do and it’s the revelation of this Good News that draws us to believe! I was saved when I was four and struggled harshly with false teachings throughout my 46 years. It’s truly amazing how the joy and peace of the Good News takes away desires to sin.
Its a hard documentary to get through with so much heresy but thankful these responses came out. Hebrews is a really encouraging book unless you believe what these guys are saying.
10:17 is this Zac Poonen?
Yes
- Trent
@ thought I knew that voice. I used to really follow him.
Rules feel safe 😅
If we can lose the FINISHED work Jesus accomplished and imputed it to us as righteousness ---- that's an INSULT to HIS FINISHED work.
We ARE ALL lost NOW if these angels of light ARE correct
Thank God his word is the final authority not man. God said it and that settles it. One is either saved or they're lost no such thing as being once saved and then you can be lost. Jesus Christ saves us forever, it not dependent, based on us but totally dependent on the finished work of Christ, he died was buried and rose again, the debt has been fully paid for all our sin debt (past, present, future) by the precious blood of Jesus, the spotless, sinless, righteous Lamb of God.
@@stanleywest2619 thank you thank you for such a faithful word to ALL
@@stanleywest2619 What you said WAS the truth of Paul's gospel given to him by Jesus himself --- the FINISHED work for salvation
The true born again believer endures.
We certainly pray and desire that all believers endure, but the old flesh nature often gets in the way. Praise God our salvation is in Jesus Christ and not in our endurance!
- Trent
Love u bro it's in their doctrine if u believe LOST U ARE LOST 😢
Jesse, I really appreciate your ministry. I can count on one hand the people I know that believe in once saved always saved no matter what! And yes, I’m only referring to spirit filled believers. John3:3 (followers of Christ) can I make it any clearer? I think one reason many people don’t believe in eternal security. They don’t understand what’s going to happen at the judgment seat of Christ. God‘s not running a great commune in the sky. We are going to give an account for what we did with our time here on planet Earth.
They are doing nothing but gaslighting. It's spiritual abuse.
They all say the same thing "The first verse says the Jews were cut off corporately, and the next verse says you personally will be cut off too."
Wat?
Ive been studying this exact subject for years and thank God, Jesus gave me and others understanding, and I am 100% fully persuaded, in One Saved Always Saved. Once a believer really gets that down-pat, a lot of other mysteries of the Bible are unlocked. Because your faith soars. And you must approach Jesus with faith, and the word of God with Faith. Jesus Christ is in every page of the word because Jesus is the Word. You begin to see Jesus Christ, and the gospel, everywhere in the bible.....it is the key....Once Saved Always Saved....Hallelujah
The question I have for these people about 1 Corinthians 9 is do they think eternal life is a reward? In verse 17 and 18 Paul talks about preaching the Gospel to receive a reward, verse 19-23 he explains what he’s doing to receive this reward, verse 24-27 he gives a analogy of running a race to receive a “prize” and how if he doesn’t continue to run this race he won’t get his “prize” he’ll be disqualified from receiving a “prize/reward”. I emphasize prize and reward because Romans 5:11,15-18 and Romans 6:23 to name a few say that eternal life/justification/righteousness/atonement are free gifts so if there free gifts then how can they be a reward or prize?
EPH:4/30 Do not grieve the holy spirit of God for which you were sealed until the day of redemption
Acts 2 vs 41. Over three thousand souls saved.
They say the we willfully sin and it can lead to destruction. Is it wilfully sinning to deny the Gospel? They believe they are right and we who put our trust in Jesus are condemned. There is no Condemnation in Christ!
What is your position on Dwight Moody? Pros and con?
I need someone to help me: why should I believe in ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED and what happens if I don't?
Believe in Jesus
@@RyanTheRedeemed Correct. Believe in Jesus because Jesus never said anything like that.
Hello Jesse and Trent, do you know about Provisionism? I found out it's one of the doctrines of salvation, it looks like Free Grace, what's the main difference between them?
This is an outstanding video that easily refutes the dangerous doctrines in the documentary film. It’s staggering how out of context they are! Just simple cherry picking without considering whole paragraphs with preceding and following verses.
I want some UA-cam shorts of Trent's reaction when you do react videos 🤣
I would just question the motive for wanting once saved always saved to be true; is it so you can serve the Lord in confidence without fear of losing faith, or is it to have license to sin? If the goal is license to sin then that motive shows a false faith. God sees your heart and knows why you really want it to be true.
We really and truly don’t “want it to be true,” but we truly believe it is true. Scriptures such as Romans 3, 4, 8, Ephesians 1, John 6 and others show us this doctrine is true.
The very point regarding eternal life being eternal life is the main reason we believe in eternal security. It is not temporary, probationary or life until you sin again.
- Trent
@@BibleLine I know I just mean a true believer is relieved with these verses to serve God in confidence, a false believer will use them as license.
It does not make or negate their faith. They believed or they didn’t believe.
- Trent
im not too sure if that is what 1 Corinthians 9:27 is talking about. i think it was more so about Paul setting an example for others, so that when he preaches the Word or the Gospel to anyone(even if he includes life style changes), his preaching would hold weight. if you were to tell others about the Good News and about how much Jesus changed you, yet you were still living a wild and non-convicted life style, your testimony would lose it’s validity. that is why he says "lest i myself be disqualified". i dont think these passages have anything to do with rewards, but more so to do with hypocrisy; a.k.a. practicing what you preach.
I have a genuine question that has come up as I am listening to them talk. Are they truly saved since they are not believing they are saved by grace through faith? Is this an essential doctrine where they are missing the mark or are they still saved and Jesus will just deal with that aspect when they come before him? Or will it be more of a “depart,I never knew you” type of thing since they are getting it so wrong? I hope that makes sense bc this is something I’m honestly wondering.
I’m a pretty new Christian of almost 6 months.
@@Ginabritt7
The panel of pastors and theologians didn't even speak to verses that support what it takes for one to be saved. So it's a fine line of not knowing if they believe whether their salvation was obtained through grace alone, faith alone, Christ alone. One must believe in Jesus and His redemptive finished work at the cross but none spoke to how one obtains salvation just how one can lose it.
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18
There are many that claim to believe in the Gospel but they either frontload it with their own works for salvation and/or they add works to preserve their salvation. Either Christ paid 100% of our death penalty or they believe Christ died 90% and they have to finish the rest. Christ paid it all; that's the Good News!!
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Eph 2:8-9
Their fruits are what they believe, which is that their good works must be added to Christ's finished work.With that said, it is possible some of the pastors on the panel were saved as believers and yet now, they are erring in their doctrinal interpretation and falling away from the truth. The ones who entered the door by believing in Christ's finished work (death, burial and resurrection) would be saved but will endure chastening here on earth and loss of rewards in heaven. God's gifts are irrevocable; salvation is a gift that cannot be lost.
I hope this helps. Hopefully Trent will weigh in! May God bless!
@@Ginabritt7
Matt 7:21-23 is speaking to those who did not believe in Christ's finished work but who trusted in their own works. I think of Prosperity Gospel preachers and Mormons as examples.
@@lai7527 thank you so much for your reply! It was very helpful! 🙏❤️
Put simply, our salvation depends solely on the person and work of Jesus Christ. As we continue to trust in him, we will experience the power of the Holy Spirit at work in our lives to make us more like Jesus. When we see this happening, our assurance that we truly are one of God's children grows. The Holy Spirit living in you is who guides us to our purpose in Jesus. We must possess the Holy Spirit to be saved. He is necessary for salvation. He is the seal of God, and its the Holy Spirit that brings us into a relationship with the Lord. He transforms your heart and mind, and conforms you into the character of Christ. When the Holy Spirit comes to live inside of you upon salvation, we become a temple for the Holy Spirit, or the temple of God. He becomes your helper and teacher, as well as the power and strength to avoid temptations. The Holy Spirit is your evidence you have been Born Again. 1John 2:27 says, But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true-it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ.
And my other question which pertains to this subject matter what if I am already saved because I have believed the gospel, what if I happen to be alive in the great tribulation and took the mark of the beast would I lose salvation?
That’s one way we know the rapture/resurrection of the Body of Christ will be pre-Tribulation ~~ We have been given everlasting life and SHALL NEVER perish. So, we cannot be put into a situation where we may do something that damns ALL who do it.
Have a real question if you see this says there is now no condemnation then why does I heard someone say I think it was the apostle which the preacher will have the greater condemnation
Can the proponents of working to maintain salvation explain this the apostle Paul" To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Don't anyone say I condone believers going full bore into a sin lifestyle because I am not." My question to you workers for salvation do you ever sin.?
Thank you sir for you input into this, God bless you.
I think we need to establish somethings, when people say OSAS is not true, we aint saying: 1. You work for your salvation.
2. You should live in fear of going to hell as a beliver
3. You can earn your Salvation
4. You are condemned if you sin.
I believe our Salvation is eternal, and that whatever God does from Gods standpoint its forever, But the problem and biases is that we only look at it from Gods standpoint, Yes God didnt need our cooperation before salvation, Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. But when we come into Christ we become a part and a player, and thats why we have our responsibilities, you would see things like walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh, this is speaking to us as participant.
So I want us to establish that we are players who have our parts. A genuine believer should not live in fear of going to hell, I think our place of consensus should be that every believer grow, this argument of loosing ones faith will not even come in the first place if we channel this to believers growth.
Wether you believe in OSAS or not we are brethrens and this shouldnt bring strife as it is already especially in the part of the world I came from. if we place more emphasy on growing believers, this matter wont be up in the first place.
Thank you.❤
hiya Pastor Jesse and @bibleline... May I know your stand on christians who are saved (which they think they are, and visibly working on God's kindom like evangelizing and witnessing, etc.), yet undergoing mental issues, then sadly committed suicide? what is your thoughts on this? Are they still saved, or does that display an unbelief in God? I have read some articles that commits this because of mental issues. Is this the same case with Judas or not?
judas was never saved/ 1s john 5/4 kjv for whatsover is born of god overcometh the world . and this is the victory and this is the victory that overcometh the world,. EVEN OUR FAITH god cant deny himself, he said he would never leave us or forsake us, any question you may have , the answer is in the bible
Pastor Joe has great work which exposes the occult in music, too bad he misses the grace message.
All these men who claim to be teachers have failed miserably at answering this one important question;
What is the level of obedience and work one needs to do in order to have assurance of salvation? Show me the example in a sinful believer that meets the minimum requirements for Christs acceptance of them based on their obedience and sanctification? Then we will all KNOW just how good to be so we too can be assured of our salvation? 🤔 does that sound like the gospel?
3:50 Translation: you can receive Grace, but not put your trust in it. Can’t you?
Yes. All receive grace from God in that he died for all sin. The problem is that not all believe.
- Trent
@@BibleLinecommon grace. How does a person, who has no affinity toward God, place his confidence in someone he doesn't believe?
Can you force yourself to love onions if you naturally hate them? Can you force yourself to believe in flat earth if you don't a bent toward conspiracy theory stuff?
It just doesn't make sense that a person can will themselves into believing something they hate.
The command to be saved is not to love God, it’s not to work for God, it isn’t to obey God, and it isn’t to try and please him in some way. The only thing a person must do to be saved is believe in Jesus Christ for the full payment of their sin.
God died for all people, and he gives all people the opportunity to believe.
1 John 2:1-2 - death for all.
John 16:8-11 - conviction upon all
Romans 3:20-28 - grace unto all, but salvation/justification is to those who believe.
Remove the illustration of man made thinking, and the scripture is clear.
- Trent
@@BibleLinePlease, to clarify. I will make it short.
I trusted God everything depended on Him, then what happen was Baptism just like Jesus received in Jordan, or rather(not to blaspheme) like Paul received on the road to Damascus. But in half an hour I had my wildernesses moment, with demons roll in on me, and I flunked it, got deceived.
Am I considered saved? I didn’t put my trust in Grace I had received to rebuke the devil.
So am I saved still? What would happen to us if Jesus had flunked the wilderness testing?
If dispensattionalism is a lie, is me failing the wilderness moment an apostasy?
Why Jesus said that if a man lets old demons come back into him - it’s going to be worse than before and He doesn’t even mention a cure for it 😢?
Question...
Are these people simply in error? Or do they not actually believe the gospel? I know this might sound like a dumb question. But, aren't these that Paul warns us about- those who bring another gospel?
How am I to understand these men? Are they believers in error, or wolves? How do I tell the difference?
It’s hard to know if they have ever believed the truth because we can’t see faith. They could be saved because they may have believed the true gospel as a child (God knows).
We have to go according to their message (the words they speak). They believe salvation can be lost in one of two ways (essentially). 1) If you continue in a lifestyle of sin and 2) If you stop believing in Christ. They reject eternal security which is crucial to the gospel message. If you’re not saved eternally, then Jesus did no good; your hope is in nothing really.
Hope this helps some.
We are careful to say “they’re unsaved” or “they’re saved.” We cannot truly know aside from what people say.
- Trent
@BibleLine if you are not saved eternally Jesus did no good;your hope is in nothing really, you said. It's the opposite of your contention. By nonmeritorious faith Jesus will save you after which by nonmeritous faith His grace and Spirit will cause you not to walk in the flesh and not back to a sinful lifestyle. When you sin, all you need to do is acknowledge it and He gives you the grace of forgiveness. Your need of His grace is lifelong and His grace provision is for a lifetime. So your hope in Him is really for a lifetime. Unlike your concept of a gracious Savior.
Your concept of eternal salvation is of a powerless,non transforming event that is far removed from those instances of regeneration after people believed the word preached/taught by Jesus and His disciples. ex. Zaccheus LK.19.8-9 ex. 3000 people ACTS 2.41-42 Moreover your concept could not reconcile with passages of scripture that deal with the possibility of losing salvation such as GAL.5.19-21,ROM.8.1,5-6,13 So what you do is to explain away the clear meaning of these scriptures.
@CesarDanao it is by God's grace that we are transformed. I'm empowered to be obedient because it is God's grace that trains obedience in those who belong to Him.
Jesus only gives one kind of life. That's eternal life. And if you believe on the Son alone for salvation, you will be saved.
@ShamelesslyRed God gave eternal life to the Galatian believers 1.2 being members of Christ's church in Galatia. Like any believer they were saved by grace and faith. EPH.2.8-9 But later on in GAL.5.19-21 they were warned as before that believers who practice such things (as listed above)will not inherit God's kingdom.5.21 Therefore believers ought to continue receiving grace by means of faith to maintain a righteous lifestyle.
If we had anything to do with our salvation, we would definitely lose it. But, 👈👈salvation is not set up that way.
Strongs concordance 1 Cor 9:27
Castaway- reprobate, rejected, also unapproved, worthless. Please help me understand.
If you don't believe once saved always saved...I truly believe that these people are true narcissists. .who seem to think that they are secured for heaven...but the rest of us are not....pride....ego...has gone to their heads...and I can't be convinced otherwise...
@Bob.55 keep on trying to convince yourself. No one else is buying it, well, your buddy Enrique Moure.
Their linguistic gymnastics are truly astounding. Paul wrote a letter to the church in Rome. It is one continuous narrative. I wonder what Paul would say to these people who are literally cherry-picking individual sentences of his and completely misrepresenting what he said to mean the exact opposite. Like you said, if you JUST READ IT, there is no confusion. I can cherry-pick words and sentences out of the Emancipation Proclamation and make Lincoln sound like he hated the black race and wanted to exterminate them. This is the clearest example of the textbook definition of gaslighting that I have ever seen. These people are truly "deceiving and being deceived." I pray that this line of thinking will not ultimately end with them standing before Christ proclaiming "Lord, Lord..." only to have him say, "I never knew you." Their twisting of the plain and clear truth of the gospel is really disturbing.
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He was using the interpretation of corporate election and applying that to an unbeliever of that corporate group, because he thinks that the "they" is talking to believers because of the "faith" in the other verse. So then he sets up an unfair straw man of the passage, saying that an unbeliever would not just be "cut off" because it says that the "they" had "faith."
The "they" is talking about corporate Israel, period. This has sub groups of believers and unbelievers. The sub groups are irrelevant. Therefore, the corporate group of Gentiles can also be cut off.
Also, when read entirely and properly, the passage rightfully opposes supersessionism (i.e. the reformer doctrine that God replaced Israel with the Church) because there were gentile BELIEVERS who thought that they were "better" than ethnic Israel because of God's revelation being spread to the Gentiles, i.e. the rest of the world. Its all about how God chooses to reveal Himself through people groups, and has nothing to do with eternal salvation.
Great video!
37:56 - who’s taking a laissez faire attitude toward sin if it isn’t to one who thinks any level of sin is acceptable when attempting to earn your way into Heaven?
Do you agree with Zane Hedges? I miss him.
I do wonder if the people who are teaching incorrectly are doing it knowingly or because they are themselves deceived and thereby deceiving others?
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I live in Australia. 😆
@@TheBlubunni 😮😮😦😦😯😯🥴🥴My bad, but it is some of the best in the world. I have been to Perth. Very clean and beautiful. But that was way back when.
@@VincentDavito so I've heard, I have friends in America and they told me about the blue bunny ice cream 🍦 apparently it is good.
Oh wow, how cool, Perth is on the other side of the country from where I live. I have heard Perth is beautiful.
Have a great night.
God bless.
@@TheBlubunni God Bless you Blu and your family, see ya in Heaven.😁😁
Minute 28 = Hebr. 6:4-6
On the screen i says Hebr. 4....
👀☠️ whoops!
Shhhh it’s a secret. Jk, my thinking must’ve been backwards when typing 😬
Thanks!
- Trent
@@BibleLine 😂 Make my day, bro 🌴
We just accept the fact, not all Protestants shared the same interpretation/views.
Not too many other than Baptists believe in OSAS. Baptists were never in the Catholic religion. That means they were never Protestant.
Jesus told the thief on the cross he'd be with him in heaven.
Now if between the time Jesus told him that and the time the thief died the thief lost his salvation and ended up in hell that would have made Jesus a liar, either that or it would have meant Jesus didn't know what he was talking about.
When we are born again we are assured by the holy spirit that we have eternal life.
If between the time the Holy Spirit assured us that we were saved and the time that we died we lost our salvation that would have made God himself a liar
endure to the end? that is saying don't die or get killed
Has there ever been someone who forfeited their salvation??
No
No. We cannot unbirth ourselves or take ourselves out of Christ.
I think it’s pretty simple. In my opinion, most people that believe you can lose your salvation. Believe this because they don’t have the assurance of the Holy Spirit living within them. John3:3 Which means their lost, and on their way to hell. The rest of them are on their way to heaven. They’re just believing a lie.
Why dont they ever attempt to explain the verses that OSAS use to prove it is true?
We do you just don't pay attention
Anyone who is saved and willingly returns to the world, that individual is not saved . 2nd Peter Chp 2, 20-22.
IN CHRIST, it’s impossible to “return to the world”. It’s not talking about our flesh, what it does or does not do.
Being either baptized into Christ or in the world (unsaved) is a Spiritual position. Nothing to do with our actions in this mortal flesh.
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In my opinion you are not discerning the scriptures correctly. So what you are implying is that once you are saved you can just go on sinning with no consequences?
@@marshallgiles6255 It is you who is NOT discerning the scriptures.
Who is Peter speaking about in 2 Peter 2? The entire subject does not change.
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2nd Timothy Chp 3 vs 16.
@@marshallgiles6255 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
if you think you can sin and there no consequences then you do not read your Bible. Rewards are lost & won, NOT salvation.
Let check John 6, verse 53-58 n our saviour’ last supper He called the disciples to partake. Flesh n blood of Christ to sustain our walk of righteousness from partaking Christ flesh n blood over n over again to make us in Him n Christ- father in us. HolySpirit in control mortifying deed of flesh n renewing our soul- mind given our Spirit hid in Christ in God safely at right hand if our Father in Christ. Hope this is helpful from Our HolySpirit inspiring me to share
How do those anti OSAS pastors reconcile John 6:37 with what they’re saying?
…….and him that cometh to me I will IN NO WISE cast out.
Because they have lie about it. I posted to a guy on HisChannel103 and asked how do you argue that? He still came back with verses and basically said Jesus is a liar, he was right.
I think I can answer my second question. It was because the Bible says mark their names are not written doesn’t make any sense. I’m a true believer. I would literally lose my salvation.
You cannot lose something that is not yours.
in Hebrews 6:4, I believe when it begins saying it is impossible i believe he is saying that the whole situation described afterward is impossible. That if hypothetically, you could lose your salvation you wouldnt be able to get it back, if that were true. In the view of the men in the documentary, It would have to mean, that backsliders cant return to the Lord either. And most of them dont believe that. They believe backsliding is loss of salvation but that they can return. Most that I know at least believe that. I believe a christian can backslide but I dont think that equals loss of salvation. The Lord will discipline you and if He doesnt take you home He will eventually bring you back(see Isaiah 57:14-19)...
Also in context the writer of hebrews is trying to let christians know that they need to essentially graduate from the elementary principles of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God aka Salvation. As many christians often, especially as brand new converts have a tendency to believe that every time we sin we can believe we need to repent and get saved again. There does come a point that we need to grow and get rid of that mindset, move forward, and then plainly lets us know in verse 4 that losing your salvation is impossible.
Hebrews 6:6 refers to those who have "fallen away" from their faith, and Hebrews 10:27 says they should expect "a fearful expectation of judgment". It says that a hard heart towards God's teachings, without repentance, can lead to a slow death of faith. I believe if a person just carefully reads the book of Hebrews, with as few preconceptions as possible, they will conclude a person can turn from Christ, become a non-believer, and forfeit salvation. Other New Testament books also teach this sobering truth.
(2 Peter 2:20-22) If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”