Good info on Windows Defender being updated through 2028. I just resurrected a WIN10, non compliant computer when the hard drive failed. I put in an SSD, more memory, reloaded WIN10 and it was like a heart transplant. I hope it's good for a few more years as a backup computer.
Excellent, thorough, and easily understandable explanation. Thank you, Leo! I have a single Windows 10 machine and can easily afford the (slightly more than) 8 cents a day for the extended security protection program, so - for now - that's my plan.
According to Wikipedia, Windows 10 was released in 2015, nine years ago. Since the initial release, there have been numerous updates issued, to presumably fix bugs and address discovered security issues. Presumably, each of these updates make Windows more bug-free and more secure. Intuitively, you'd think that the Windows 10 of today is _much_ more secure and contains _much_ fewer bugs than the Windows of 2015. If Microsoft continued to support Win 10, for years and years, would they not eventually eliminate every single bug, and every single security flaw? Aren't the remaining bugs and security issues getting harder and harder for hackers to find and exploit? And what about the newly-released Windows 11? Are we supposed to believe that today's Win 11 is more secure and more bug-free than today's Win 10, which has had the benefit of nine years of updates and improvements?
If you worked with DECs, ICLs, Primes and Fujitsus and that kind of thing, that's what they did. It's what they still do with Unix. I won't say Linux 'cos it's a dog's dinner all those "flavour of the month"s (Mint currently). Most of these companies are bust now. Personally, I'd have been very very happy had they stuck with XP (including the Office version associated with it), and then done exactly what you've just said. Think of all that training revenue and those consultancy fees, not to mention paying for the next super-duper version (with shite that you never asked for and don't want), that would be lost. No more Microsoft. Shame. It also means that the original version of Win 10 had more holes in it than a sieve. You wouldn't sell anything else like that (I don't think). Can you imagine "Car 10" version 22H2, essential update to add brakes.
No, in software you will never eliminate every single bug or security issue, it is unrealistic. Take Facebook for example, or even UA-cam, they have been around for a long time and still have bugs and security issues Windows 11 should have all features that Microsoft has implemented over the years, so no, Windows 10 isn't more secure than Windows 11
@@LightningSnake I'm afraid I have to agree with you, however with certain systems (VAX/VMS for example) the technical security was excellent, it was more a case of PEBKAC.
@@LightningSnakeno you don't but still he has an interesting point which is that the longer an operating system has been tweaked the better condition it's. Kind of like a medicine that have been on the market longer have a much wider sample size of data and therefore are more reliable than new drugs.
@@GeorgesDupont-do8pe Microsoft figured out that given the base code that Windows is using, there simply is no way to make it secure in software, so they dropped back and punted and now require hardware to be the gatekeeper on your machine. Secure Boot and TPM (required to run Windows 11 officially and supported) are hardware ways to deal with issues that Microsoft was never going to fix.
I have been dual booting between windows 11 and linux mint on my new machine and windows 10 and mint on my older machines. Mint is actually more like windows than some of the older versions of linux. It is a bit of a learning curve but with three older machines that are not used for financial stuff I think I will make it work. I don't want to spend the money to update these older computers that work just fine.
@@aperson1181 I bought an inexpensive 1 terabyte external hard drive that I have Linux on while I am learning it. I had read about issues that some have had with dual booting from the same hard drive that, anecdotally, were caused by Windows updates. I didn't want to take the chance and all seems to be working well.
The product when it is sold is ready for sale and is supposed to be complete. Updates are supposed to be an opportunity to gain more features. And security is never supposed to be an issue. Would you buy a car that would unlock for anyone who passed by?
you do know that updates have bean a thing for windows computers for a long time well before windows 10. stuff breaks their are new threats to the os what do you expect them to do ignore them.hackers are a thing viruses are a thing without updates we would have a very insecure os.and before you say Linux does not have that problem. linux does not have that as much but windows is a more popular operating system thus viruses are created more for that os than linux. a car does not have to worry about viruses like a computer does.
@supersaiyaman11589 It's absurd that they can't make an OS system! That wouldn't need updating! Since they make an OS with a function that allows program changes, hackers and other programs have the ability to change it at all! Can you imagine a physical calculator that can be controlled remotely, or read what's written on it online? Of course not! Physical calculators have chips and processors that are completed and programmed to a certain point and put on the market as a finished product! Any defects in the program or material require the law to return the product and money in the event of physical damage to the user when using it correctly, the manufacturer is responsible. Why then does society allow such exceptions to programs here? In the old days, you only got programs for hardware components in physical form, and this also ensured that hackers had no opportunity to analyze the programs and look for flaws. But manufacturers, due to competition or drunkenness from too much profit, started releasing programs with flaws that required lawsuits or even the closure of companies. At this point they avoided responsibility by promising to put an update on the internet and everyone could fix the bugs and they would continue to receive profits. In reality, they and their employees would have to go from client to client and listen to the criticisms of the clients while they were fixing and eliminating their bugs, which would lead them to bankruptcy! So who is the hypocrite here?
Maybe at that cut-off time when Microsoft realizes that more than half of Windows 10 users haven't switched or bought new Windows 11 computers, they may say, hmmmm ???? 😄
@3:17 -- Microsoft is still doing that, for Windows 7. "Security Intelligence Update for Windows Defender Antivirus" and "Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool" updates continue to be updated, regularly. @5:00 -- Well, not really. There are people that have no clue on how malware gets into their computer. They see a message to update [fill in the blank], and they just go ahead and do it. They see a message that [fill in the blank] will speed up their computer, so they do so. They visit some site and see a message that claims that 14 threats have been identified, and they click, click, click. Even with updates, those people get hit with malware. But it will be all-the-worse, when updates cease. I still have a Windows 7 box that I often use. I never do anything risky, so all is well. But I am proficient with computers. The general public is not in the bubble that we computer enthusiasts are in, and are at risk if they use an unsupported version of Windows.
Good points. The general user doesn't know, how malware gets on their computers, hence not how to mitigate the risks. Therefore having a "secure" operating system, is almost as important for them, as it is for Enterprise users. Meenwhile, just like you, I still used Windows 7 until recently (this year). This on my main/daily driver, as well as the 2 computers, that my kids use. I only changed my operating systems on these. Because of Steams shenanigans, of making Windows 7 unusable, with my 1000+ game library. I didn't want to go through hoops, to make steam still work. Only for the workarounds to stop working suddenly. Having to then spend precious time, I possibly wouldn't have. But I also don't want the Windows 10/11 forced telemetry and Meta data, sent to Microsoft and sold to god knows who. Again there are workarounds, that might suddenly not work. So I've finally taken up Linux. Mint for the kids. And I'm still testing others on mine. So far, I'm not completely happy with the Distros tried. So still on the lookout. All of them are "fine", but all have had some small annoyances. Mint has been OK for the kids though. I have worked in IT for many years. And have used Linux professionally. I've only ever fiddled with it at home. While I have pet projects, when I get home. I just want my daily driver to work. Troubleshooting Linux, at least in the past, has been to much like work. It looks like, it has gotten better though.
Yes, it's so frustrating having to deal with these regular Joe's and Jane's, especially if your business is to provide them tech support. No matter how many times you tell them, they can't help but click on things they see on websites or go fishing for things that they don't need or think that can make them more secure. Then inevitably I get a phone call or text. Then all I can say is I told you so..... so many times. Someone once actually told me that they thought they could save the money they pay me by downloading all these various free "helpful apps" to keep their computer safe, you know the "apps" that scares them by showing it found 129 + vulnerabilities in their computer and it could fix them all. Can't win.....
@@MegaSunspark same story. they get malwared with or without updates. there is no update that can keep them from harming themself. even if they know me for 20 fucking years, they trust rather someone else...
Thank you for the very clear information. My 12 year old Dell Inspiron 7720 has an early Core i7 i7-3630QM CPU @ 2.40GHz 2.40 GHz & 1 T hard drive has a 17 inch screen and a built in DVD CD drive. I stream TV, edit audio, and do everything with it. Thank you again.
Those with corporate licenses are familiar with the Extended Security Updates that have kept Windows 7 viable to this very day. Offering ESU's for Windows 10 Home and Professional licensees is a welcome expansion of this well-established program. There is no technical justification for terminating this program after only one year.
Q: "Should You Sign Up for Extended Security Updates for Windows 10?" A: No, you should not. You should instead delete every part of the Microsoft spyware ecosystem--OneDrive, Windows, Edge, MS Account, etc:, and install Linux.
Not everyone can do that. Many people have to run software that will only run on Windows, so they are stuck. And no, they are not going to jump through hoops to try making them run on Linux.
$30 is not a bad price for a year. But it's ridiculous that they're only providing consumer extended support for one year, while other user types are getting 3 years.
Now, now Terry. Remember - some American judge declared years ago, that MS *didn't* have a monopoly. That judge is probably a very rich person now, complements of MS.
@@martinbynion1589 Perhaps not in the strict definition but it sure feels like it. Apple's market share is tiny compared to MS and Linux isn't even in the running....YET 🤣. Fingers crossed.
Since Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be the last Windows OS ever, they should be sued. I recommend Linux Mint to newbies. There is a bit of a learning curve, and you do not have to use the terminal. Everything the average user needs can be done in the GUI. Added benefit, no more MS BS
Ha I just said this on a another video. I believe this is bad business from a monopoly company. Class action suit should be started. They get away with this because we let them.
@@johngreene6783 The economy is crap, people aren't buying things they don't absolutely need. So what do they do? Create a crisis so we have to buy something. We can't conduct business personal or otherwise without a computer now and it gets worse all the time. And they know most average people do not have or want the skills to get around this sort of thing. This is why monopoly was busted up back when. Really is there no other company ready to jump in and say simple is better and we are here. It would be a good time for it.
I’m 82 years old, and do not want to buy a new computer that will likely outlive me. I run a complete Norton Security package on my Windows 10… so will the extension protect me? My computer will not handle Windows 11 upgrade because the chip is too old.
@ My computer is about 15 years old and runs Windows 10. I use it to do online videos, do art and photography and editing. It gets cranky when running BIG Adobe programs, but according to my wife it then matches my personality. Combined with an external drive it’s handling 4 terabytes of memory.
Yes, because antivirus is just one part of good cybersecurity best practices. Security patches/updates address new vulnerabilities at the kernel level of the operating system and are a must on systems that are actively used and connected to the internet. An analogy I would use is that the antivirus is like an airbag and the system updates are like a seatbelt.
I think some viewers may be confused regarding the difference between "security updates" versus "Windows security" (i e. Windows Defender). As Leo mentions, the former will end in Oct 2025 whereas the latter will continue at least into 2028. But what are specific examples of "security updates" that will be ending in Oct 2025?
Vunlerabilities within the operating system discovered by hackers, from which the defender cannot protect. Every system is vulnerable to some extend and we need to keep on top of things. Those hackers have nothing better to do than looking for vulnerabilities and possibly exploiting them. Based on the severity of these vulnerabilities, patching up some of them took years as Windows (or Linux community, or Apple) didn't consider them too hot to focus on. Some are too dangerous and they issue patches within hours or days.
I bought my HP laptop windows 10 about 7 1/2 years ago, still running fine. I'll keep using it til it quits. When my dell desktop windows XP no longer received updates I kept using it till a hardware failure forced the new laptop purchase I'm now using. I skipped and never used Windows 7 and whatever came before Windows 10.
Microsoft should be required to take all the money paid for extended support of Windows 10 and put it into an account to pay every landfill across the nation for the massive amount of e-Waste that will be created when millions of perfectly working PCs that can't run Windows 11 get dumped.
@@askleonotenboom No, no one is "required" to dump their PCs but many will. I run CAD software that creates files that are not backwardly compatible with older versions. Going forward, current versions of programs like Solidworks will not run on Windows 10, so I'll HAVE to buy a new PC if I want to keep working and sharing files with others. Not my choice.
I'm going to wait until summer 2025 to see if Microsoft will just give people free extended support for Win 10 instead of charging money. So many people still on Win 10. If all else fails I'll take my chances with the Win 10 LTSC version or switch to Linux.
Antivirus is built into Win10 in the form of Defender. Don't conflate kernel-level security updates with antivirus scans, because they're not the same thing.
Already got myself Win11 laptop, second hand, business class, for £240. Yet I switched it to Linux, just because. Win11 runs in a virtual machine and I have a clone ready to restore the system if it broke for some reason (which I actually did, twice already, restored it within 10 minutes). I'll do sensitive stuff on Linux and play on Windows what doesn't run on Linux. The same can be done with Win10 for years and years to come. Be careful with your data and enjoy the best of both worlds. You don't need to fork out a grand of your hard earned cash for new computer to satisfy the bully.
Don't want extended updates or pay for it. I prefer to keep using Windows 10 after end of life, but the possibility of exploits does bother me. But, what if I used a VM at all times when online? Would that and careful what I download be enough to take care of exploits?
I only have 1 laptop that uses W10 because it's from 2017. It's old and it's basically just a web browser now. It's not worth $30 a year so I've decided to put Linux Mint on it and then reinstall Edge, log into my Windows account, put all my extensions back on, and continue like nothing happened.
Interesting. I have a lovely Surface Pro 6 that isn't upgradeable. I look forward to having this option for my lovely little 2-in-1 tablet. Thank you. 💙🌻💙
I have an HP laptop that isn't all that old. It runs fine. It's SSD is fast. Microsoft says the processor isn't supported, so it can't be upgraded to Windows 11. I don't like how one single company gets to decide what is supported and what isn't.
Had to replace my old desktop a year ago October and got a refurbished Dell Optiplex, a 7 year old i5 based SFF and it came with Windows 11. It's been mostly trouble free and it's really more than fine and not enough different than 10 in basic operations. I, however, do have a retail copy of 10 sitting on a shelf that was for the old SFF Dell Optiplex, though a 4th gen i5 model that had 10 (also bought refurbished), but it threw a code that said mainboard failure (turned out to be the CMOS battery having died, but finding out after the fact and the upgrade had already taken place). Mind you, the SFF was NOT my first choice for the present computer, wanted to get the mini tower instead but the place only had the SFF, with NVME no less for $170 so that's what I have currently. Saving up the funds for a total replacement in the coming year, like going ahead with the new 15th gen Core 7, likely the Ultra as it's what's available at the moment. So with that, will build it from scratch and initially put Win 10 and then do a free upgrade to 11.
@@9852323 In this case, the old dell was one, a 10 year old PC, running a 4th gen Intel i5 processor, and 2, it sprung a code for mainboard failure, turned out, AFTER the fact to be the CMOS battery needed replacing, but the newer PC was already purchased, and has NVME. I hope to replace this present PC by next year with something more robust than a 7 YO core i5, SFF from Dell. Both were purchased refurbished locally, the older PC was in 2019, and only meant to be for the short term because of dying hard drive and it's had many other parts replaced since I bought it new in 2009, first gen Core i7 that was then getting quite long in the tooth, but 4 years in, still on it... It ran an older Ferni based Nvidia GT 610, now deprecated, so it would not work with 11 due to no support for DX X 12 of which 11 requires. This was all in 2023. At that time, support ended for both Ferni and Keplar, Maxwell was still under support, as is Pascal. So now run a GT 1030 as it was one of the very few cards that'll work with the 188W PSU and the confined space of a SFF desktop. I hope to go all the way to the 15th gen Core 7 and Z890 chipset as LGA 1700 is at end of life for upgrading as it stops at the 14th gen Core series CPU's. This will give me an upgrade path, should I need it going forward. Not for gaming, but for content creation.
I mean, I would consider upgrading to Windows 11, but Microsoft is blocking me from installing it due to the lack of availability of TPM2.0 on my motherboard.
honestly even after end of support i cant see there being any problem for the average user staying on windows 10 unless you get something that requires win11. ive just tried win11 pro and it needed rebooting every 2 days compared to win10pro that i usually rebooted every month or so. besides other problems. win10pro for me untill i REALLY REALLY need win11 crap. After saying that i think there will be that many people staying on win10 MS might have to change their policies on Win10 updates :)
This might be good for for those using older business or workstation PCs as Dell OptiPlex and Precision, Lenovo ThinkCentre and ThinkStation, or HP EliteDesk with like 6th and 7th gen Intel CPUs or Xeon E-* series CPUs that otherwise works fine with even recent gen NVidia or AMD GPUs even in latest games, but are officially left out being unable to run Windows 11 at all. 💫
@@firstlast5350 I used IBM PC DOS until a few months ago, but the university demanded that I "upgrade" to Win 3.0 and now 3.1. I miss my Norton Commander.
for the average consumer windows updated should not be a deal breaker if they cant get it. that is for the average person i plan on using windows 10 for 5-10 years past its end of life date.
Leo, if we upgrade to the version of Windows 11 that runs on a non-TPM machine (all of ours are that), can we keep the 'local user' account and not allow MS OneDrive to suck our data up onto the Microsoft cloud? I am a novelist and my wife a digital artist. We do not want Microsoft to scrape our work.🙄
Updates shouldn't affect the local accounts. Even if OneDrive is on the machine (which is UNrelated to whether you're using a local account or not), all you need to do is make sure your work is never placed within a folder which is within the OneDrive folder. That's it. OneDrive is not involved at all in that case. (And you can change the default save locations in apps like Word so as to save elsewhere as well.)
I have a different, effective plan. At the end of support, going on using Windows 10 indefinately, but fully offline. Before that, finally starting to use Linux on a laptop and doing all my online business over that. Once I am getting used to Linux, transitioning away from Windows. Until 10, Windows was tolerable. W11 is not, and we can expect it to only get worse.
Windows 11 brings my decades of Windows experience to a halt. Switching to Linux Mint in 2025. No to buying a new CPU to install spyware and a not so friendly OS.
@@greybeard5774 their is always the option of not getting windows 11 don't get it unless it comes pre installed on a new computer. the consumer needs to ask themselves why do i need this new os if the answer is i have no clue than you probably are better off staying with what you have.
Here is a Question for you i am paying Norton for Computer Protection every yr and its about 130 bucks a Yr for up to 5 Phones or Computers what are they Protecting me from?
Sounds like 'making money by menaces'. Force me out, I go elsewhere. Who's losing, me or you? Or Who's hurt the most, me or you? The shop next-door is nearly always cheaper.
This episode calls a "spade a spade" correctly. Anyway, I am using Microsoft Windows 11 Professional, and it worked out fine for me, without any security problems. I would not urge everyone to switch to Windows 11, because some people can and others cannot make the change. There is nothing that people make is perfect.
Toss a coin, I guess? $30 doesn’t buy you a lot of anything, anywhere, so maybe it's not so outrageous? (Although it may not be $30 outside in the US....in Australia, I'm expecting a higher cost because of exchange rates and, we just seem to pay more because we are a small market). That said, by paying the $30, are we ultimately just deferring a decision for 12 months? Our needs are mostly fairly basic. At this point, I'm inclined to move over to Linux. We had Linux (Ubuntu) for some years, after Windows 7 stopped being supported. I'm not a techy person, but quite liked telling people I used Linux. 😂
No you should just make frequent backups, not store any information that is private, and restore from backups when it gets trashed, same as you would normally do with any supported windows system because under the best of circumstances, the supported versions aren't secure. Better yet, install Linux and get out from under corporate extortion.
I've just started with it on my oldest computer. I figure that way back when I managed to learn DOS so I should be able to figure out Linux eventually. Wish me luck.
Question: what activities and exercises would you recommend so that I can increase my capacity for hating Microsoft? When Microsoft brought out Windows 10, they promised it was the last version but then they came out with Windows 11, which is terrible and not seeming to get much better and they’re also coming out with Windows 12 and what is clear is that we were catfish. So, I think all of us who use Windows 10 should be exercising and practicing so that our hatred of Microsoft can burn as bright as the sun for longer than the age of the universe.
Don't have an answer for more hate, but I do want to clarify: Microsoft did not claim 10 was the last Windows. One random marketing guy apparently said it, and it was blown all out of proportion. More here: askleo.com/did-microsoft-lie/ (There's also been no official word on 12, everything I've seen has been completely unsubstantiated rumor.)
@@askleonotenboom Well, I'm certainly glad (and sad) to hear that Microsoft (so far as of 4:20PM EST on December 14, 2024) has not officially announced Windows 12. I'm glad to hear that Microsoft (officially) is not distracted from trying to finish (fix?) Windows 11. I'm sad that there is no Windows 12 coming that might fix Windows 11 issues. As far as my level of MICROSOFT HATE is concerned, I have no doubt that Microsoft will help me (and 100s of millions of other people around the world) increase our level of hate through its many ill-considered money grubbing activities leading up to the Windows 10 end-of-free-support date. In that regard, we can ALWAYS count on Microsoft!
I haven't updated my Windows in 83 years! Microsoft really kicking my butt to switch to Linux lol. Gotta try out Linux on one of my spare computers before next year.
@@askleonotenboom I have Windows 11 on my work Dell laptop. The 24H2 update has been forced on me twice this week and in both cases I've had to uninstall the update because the network adapters wouldn't start. I actually want 24H2 for some of the features like sudo but it's useless if I can't connect to any network.
None of my three machines can run Windows 11 officially. I'll likely pop the $30 for ONE year for my best PC, but I'll put Linux Mint on my other ancient PC. For my laptop, I'm going to use Rufus to force install Windows 11 and see how it goes.
This is the first time Microsoft has offered extended security updates to home users. It is currently only for one year and we don't know If Microsoft will extend it. SInce Windows XP, Microsoft has supported Windows for 10 years
A better solution: remove your internet connection. Lose10 will install and work just fine without it, no need for security updates ever again. Get a miniPC (~$120) and Linux ($0) and use that for the internet.
No. Update to W11 or if Microsoft won't support your hardware install Linux or maybe even ChromeOS. If you're not an enterprise user there's no need to waste money on paying for extended support.
lol, nope. Not continuing to get dragged further into MS' increasingly terrible business model and privacy dumpster fire that is Win11. (Keyloggers?? Data vacuuming turned on by default?? No wonder I'm old and grumpy.) My wife just retired, no one is paying us to use Windows. Linux or Apple from now on. (yeah, I know, I know, but f*ck MS). Just received a little N100 mini pc I'm using as a client for a video display. It came with Win11 Pro pre-installed, which led to an interesting question: Which do I trust less, MicroSoft or a Win11 install from a random company in mainland China? The answer was a quick boot-up check with no networking access, then a Debian install. Works great.
I'm glad my main computer is macOS. I do have 2 old Windows computers running Win 10 that can't upgrade to Win 11. I will not be getting the Extended Security, instead I'll be switching both Windows computers over to Linux. No more Windows for me! 😉
@askleonotenboom Maybe not paranoid, but maybe you're naive? If Win10 met your requirements, as previous versions probably met the same requirements, why would you happily move over? Microsoft is constantly putting out updates which too many times need fixes? The fixes usually cause more problems? And usually the next version ( win11 ) is designed to fix all the previous faults? By stopping updates and fixes Microsoft hopes you will be tempted to move up, and by coincidence accept recall? Do you seek recall? Do you have a choice?
@@stephenmason5682 I've often advised that people need not move on. Not sure what your point is. (And yes, Recall is a choice, not a requirement. I have a video/article on that as well.)
Leo, EFF Microsoft where the Sun don't shine! I am getting comfortable with Linux Mint Debian. The biggest problem with it is the pathetic performance of Zoom on Linux. It's hit or miss. Other than that I'll be more than happy to leave Windows in the history bin...
I ain't going to pay Microsoft anything. I am not buying Windows 11 for my new rig. I am going Linux, folks! I will use my old rig for gaming, period. To hell with Redmond Microsoft. (How's that for attitude, huh?)
i dont think you should if you can avoid it like upgrading to windows 11 or switching to free and open source operating systems such as linux or any of the bsd family of operating systems. could also upgrade hardware components to make switching to windows 11 possible and enable bios features which are needed for windows 11. you shouldnt have to pay to keep receiving security fixes because the operating system introduced the vulnerability and you already paid a license fee to use it. if it was a new feature i wouldnt mind so much if there was a cost attached to it. as a whole i diagree with SaSS where you have to keep making a repeated payment to use the software. it should be a one-time cost or free
Individuals stuck on Windows 10…. Just update to 11. Yea use something like the Rufus memstick maker to get it installed if on an older device. Or buy something new; they are faster with their nvmes, newer hardware and faster ram.
Unless you just don't like Windows 11, for whatever reason, there are many ways to bypass the processor and tpm requirements and install it on any computer. Windows 10 had more issues than 11 did when it first came out.
Steam OS makes it nearly impossible to develop on. You can... _Barely_ And it's a PITA to get working. Sandboxing everything is only a solution if you don't do anything serious on your PC.
@@askleonotenboom Yes I used Win Defender, and then when I used Avast and Malware Bytes, and they found 50 or so malware that Win Defender did not find.
HMMMM ,lets think a little . Keep using as is , orrrrr let Microsoft have my bank account info . I don't even use Microsoft Defender ( DISABLED ) . I have been using these since the birth of 10 Panda Dome and Malwarebytes . Never a problem with either one . Just a money scam from good ol' Microsoft in my opinion .
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A good question is do Updates cause more problems than they fix?
Good info on Windows Defender being updated through 2028. I just resurrected a WIN10, non compliant computer when the hard drive failed. I put in an SSD, more memory, reloaded WIN10 and it was like a heart transplant. I hope it's good for a few more years as a backup computer.
Excellent, thorough, and easily understandable explanation. Thank you, Leo!
I have a single Windows 10 machine and can easily afford the (slightly more than) 8 cents a day for the extended security protection program, so - for now - that's my plan.
My man just switch to Windows 10 Enterprise 2021 IoT LTSC and get updates till 2032. You can easily download and activate it with open source scripts.
According to Wikipedia, Windows 10 was released in 2015, nine years ago. Since the initial release, there have been numerous updates issued, to presumably fix bugs and address discovered security issues. Presumably, each of these updates make Windows more bug-free and more secure. Intuitively, you'd think that the Windows 10 of today is _much_ more secure and contains _much_ fewer bugs than the Windows of 2015. If Microsoft continued to support Win 10, for years and years, would they not eventually eliminate every single bug, and every single security flaw? Aren't the remaining bugs and security issues getting harder and harder for hackers to find and exploit? And what about the newly-released Windows 11? Are we supposed to believe that today's Win 11 is more secure and more bug-free than today's Win 10, which has had the benefit of nine years of updates and improvements?
If you worked with DECs, ICLs, Primes and Fujitsus and that kind of thing, that's what they did. It's what they still do with Unix. I won't say Linux 'cos it's a dog's dinner all those "flavour of the month"s (Mint currently). Most of these companies are bust now. Personally, I'd have been very very happy had they stuck with XP (including the Office version associated with it), and then done exactly what you've just said. Think of all that training revenue and those consultancy fees, not to mention paying for the next super-duper version (with shite that you never asked for and don't want), that would be lost. No more Microsoft. Shame. It also means that the original version of Win 10 had more holes in it than a sieve. You wouldn't sell anything else like that (I don't think). Can you imagine "Car 10" version 22H2, essential update to add brakes.
No, in software you will never eliminate every single bug or security issue, it is unrealistic.
Take Facebook for example, or even UA-cam, they have been around for a long time and still have bugs and security issues
Windows 11 should have all features that Microsoft has implemented over the years, so no, Windows 10 isn't more secure than Windows 11
@@LightningSnake I'm afraid I have to agree with you, however with certain systems (VAX/VMS for example) the technical security was excellent, it was more a case of PEBKAC.
@@LightningSnakeno you don't but still he has an interesting point which is that the longer an operating system has been tweaked the better condition it's. Kind of like a medicine that have been on the market longer have a much wider sample size of data and therefore are more reliable than new drugs.
@@GeorgesDupont-do8pe Microsoft figured out that given the base code that Windows is using, there simply is no way to make it secure in software, so they dropped back and punted and now require hardware to be the gatekeeper on your machine. Secure Boot and TPM (required to run Windows 11 officially and supported) are hardware ways to deal with issues that Microsoft was never going to fix.
I have been dual booting between windows 11 and linux mint on my new machine and windows 10 and mint on my older machines. Mint is actually more like windows than some of the older versions of linux. It is a bit of a learning curve but with three older machines that are not used for financial stuff I think I will make it work. I don't want to spend the money to update these older computers that work just fine.
I was thinking about this but can you install Linux on the same hard drive as windows? I hear windows may not like this
@@aperson1181 I bought an inexpensive 1 terabyte external hard drive that I have Linux on while I am learning it. I had read about issues that some have had with dual booting from the same hard drive that, anecdotally, were caused by Windows updates. I didn't want to take the chance and all seems to be working well.
The product when it is sold is ready for sale and is supposed to be complete. Updates are supposed to be an opportunity to gain more features. And security is never supposed to be an issue. Would you buy a car that would unlock for anyone who passed by?
you do know that updates have bean a thing for windows computers for a long time well before windows 10. stuff breaks their are new threats to the os what do you expect them to do ignore them.hackers are a thing viruses are a thing without updates we would have a very insecure os.and before you say Linux does not have that problem. linux does not have that as much but windows is a more popular operating system thus viruses are created more for that os than linux. a car does not have to worry about viruses like a computer does.
@supersaiyaman11589 It's absurd that they can't make an OS system! That wouldn't need updating! Since they make an OS with a function that allows program changes, hackers and other programs have the ability to change it at all! Can you imagine a physical calculator that can be controlled remotely, or read what's written on it online? Of course not! Physical calculators have chips and processors that are completed and programmed to a certain point and put on the market as a finished product! Any defects in the program or material require the law to return the product and money in the event of physical damage to the user when using it correctly, the manufacturer is responsible. Why then does society allow such exceptions to programs here? In the old days, you only got programs for hardware components in physical form, and this also ensured that hackers had no opportunity to analyze the programs and look for flaws. But manufacturers, due to competition or drunkenness from too much profit, started releasing programs with flaws that required lawsuits or even the closure of companies. At this point they avoided responsibility by promising to put an update on the internet and everyone could fix the bugs and they would continue to receive profits. In reality, they and their employees would have to go from client to client and listen to the criticisms of the clients while they were fixing and eliminating their bugs, which would lead them to bankruptcy! So who is the hypocrite here?
@@supersaiyaman11589I use windows XP and 7 and don’t have those problems. It’s overblown.
Just wait until october 2025 to find what to do
Maybe at that cut-off time when Microsoft realizes that more than half of Windows 10 users haven't switched or bought new Windows 11 computers, they may say, hmmmm ???? 😄
Yeah it’s a bit early to even be taking about this tbh..
@3:17 -- Microsoft is still doing that, for Windows 7.
"Security Intelligence Update for Windows Defender Antivirus" and "Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool" updates continue to be updated, regularly.
@5:00 -- Well, not really. There are people that have no clue on how malware gets into their computer. They see a message to update [fill in the blank], and they just go ahead and do it. They see a message that [fill in the blank] will speed up their computer, so they do so. They visit some site and see a message that claims that 14 threats have been identified, and they click, click, click.
Even with updates, those people get hit with malware. But it will be all-the-worse, when updates cease.
I still have a Windows 7 box that I often use. I never do anything risky, so all is well. But I am proficient with computers. The general public is not in the bubble that we computer enthusiasts are in, and are at risk if they use an unsupported version of Windows.
Interesting!
Your Windows 7 still goes to the Internet regularly?
Good points. The general user doesn't know, how malware gets on their computers, hence not how to mitigate the risks. Therefore having a "secure" operating system, is almost as important for them, as it is for Enterprise users.
Meenwhile, just like you, I still used Windows 7 until recently (this year).
This on my main/daily driver, as well as the 2 computers, that my kids use.
I only changed my operating systems on these. Because of Steams shenanigans, of making Windows 7 unusable, with my 1000+ game library.
I didn't want to go through hoops, to make steam still work. Only for the workarounds to stop working suddenly. Having to then spend precious time, I possibly wouldn't have.
But I also don't want the Windows 10/11 forced telemetry and Meta data, sent to Microsoft and sold to god knows who.
Again there are workarounds, that might suddenly not work.
So I've finally taken up Linux. Mint for the kids. And I'm still testing others on mine.
So far, I'm not completely happy with the Distros tried. So still on the lookout.
All of them are "fine", but all have had some small annoyances. Mint has been OK for the kids though.
I have worked in IT for many years. And have used Linux professionally. I've only ever fiddled with it at home.
While I have pet projects, when I get home. I just want my daily driver to work. Troubleshooting Linux, at least in the past, has been to much like work. It looks like, it has gotten better though.
Yes, it's so frustrating having to deal with these regular Joe's and Jane's, especially if your business is to provide them tech support. No matter how many times you tell them, they can't help but click on things they see on websites or go fishing for things that they don't need or think that can make them more secure. Then inevitably I get a phone call or text. Then all I can say is I told you so..... so many times. Someone once actually told me that they thought they could save the money they pay me by downloading all these various free "helpful apps" to keep their computer safe, you know the "apps" that scares them by showing it found 129 + vulnerabilities in their computer and it could fix them all. Can't win.....
@@MegaSunspark same story. they get malwared with or without updates. there is no update that can keep them from harming themself. even if they know me for 20 fucking years, they trust rather someone else...
Yeah as long as you don’t do that stupid crap you’ll be fine. I use XP and 7 and I’m fine. I don’t see the big deal.
Thank you for the very clear information. My 12 year old Dell Inspiron 7720 has an early Core i7 i7-3630QM CPU @ 2.40GHz 2.40 GHz & 1 T hard drive has a 17 inch screen and a built in DVD CD drive. I stream TV, edit audio, and do everything with it. Thank you again.
Back when win 7 went off support, the security patches were readily available to anyone with a little effort.
I suspect the same will be true with 10.
Those with corporate licenses are familiar with the Extended Security Updates that have kept Windows 7 viable to this very day. Offering ESU's for Windows 10 Home and Professional licensees is a welcome expansion of this well-established program. There is no technical justification for terminating this program after only one year.
Q: "Should You Sign Up for Extended Security Updates for Windows 10?"
A: No, you should not. You should instead delete every part of the Microsoft spyware ecosystem--OneDrive, Windows, Edge, MS Account, etc:, and install Linux.
Not everyone can do that. Many people have to run software that will only run on Windows, so they are stuck. And no, they are not going to jump through hoops to try making them run on Linux.
$30 is not a bad price for a year. But it's ridiculous that they're only providing consumer extended support for one year, while other user types are getting 3 years.
Sounds like a good time to switch to Linux and be done with this gigantic world-wide monopoly.
Now, now Terry. Remember - some American judge declared years ago, that MS *didn't* have a monopoly. That judge is probably a very rich person now, complements of MS.
It's not a monopoly. Never heard of Apple ot Linux?
@@martinbynion1589 Perhaps not in the strict definition but it sure feels like it. Apple's market share is tiny compared to MS and Linux isn't even in the running....YET 🤣. Fingers crossed.
@@martinbynion1589 You're right. I should have said oligopoly. Not much practical difference though.
Since Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be the last Windows OS ever, they should be sued.
I recommend Linux Mint to newbies. There is a bit of a learning curve, and you do not have to use the terminal. Everything the average user needs can be done in the GUI. Added benefit, no more MS BS
Eh, LMDE is better than the Ubuntu-based Linux Mint, as its more stable, has a more modern kernel, and has the same GUI as Linux Mint Cinnamon.
@@TNTMusic5757 Can't argue with that. I run both of those OS's on different computers. Although LMDE is currently on 6.1.0-28 and Mint is on 6.8.x
Ha I just said this on a another video. I believe this is bad business from a monopoly company. Class action suit should be started. They get away with this because we let them.
@@trishjordan8859 Agreed
@@johngreene6783 The economy is crap, people aren't buying things they don't absolutely need. So what do they do? Create a crisis so we have to buy something. We can't conduct business personal or otherwise without a computer now and it gets worse all the time. And they know most average people do not have or want the skills to get around this sort of thing. This is why monopoly was busted up back when. Really is there no other company ready to jump in and say simple is better and we are here. It would be a good time for it.
I’m 82 years old, and do not want to buy a new computer that will likely outlive me. I run a complete Norton Security package on my Windows 10… so will the extension protect me? My computer will not handle Windows 11 upgrade because the chip is too old.
how old is your computer what do you use it for yes if you have norton antivirus as long as you keep it updated that should be fine.
@ My computer is about 15 years old and runs Windows 10. I use it to do online videos, do art and photography and editing. It gets cranky when running BIG Adobe programs, but according to my wife it then matches my personality. Combined with an external drive it’s handling 4 terabytes of memory.
Yes, because antivirus is just one part of good cybersecurity best practices. Security patches/updates address new vulnerabilities at the kernel level of the operating system and are a must on systems that are actively used and connected to the internet. An analogy I would use is that the antivirus is like an airbag and the system updates are like a seatbelt.
@@blinddog1212 i personally will be staying on windows 10 and wene the eol comes i will still be on windows 10.
dont install thing from internet. that is what protect you. not microsoft and their promises
Microsoft should be prosecuted for falsely advertising 10 as the last windows.
They did not do that. Please read this: askleo.com/did-microsoft-lie/
Very helpful
I think some viewers may be confused regarding the difference between "security updates" versus "Windows security" (i e. Windows Defender). As Leo mentions, the former will end in Oct 2025 whereas the latter will continue at least into 2028. But what are specific examples of "security updates" that will be ending in Oct 2025?
Vunlerabilities within the operating system discovered by hackers, from which the defender cannot protect. Every system is vulnerable to some extend and we need to keep on top of things. Those hackers have nothing better to do than looking for vulnerabilities and possibly exploiting them. Based on the severity of these vulnerabilities, patching up some of them took years as Windows (or Linux community, or Apple) didn't consider them too hot to focus on. Some are too dangerous and they issue patches within hours or days.
"whereas the latter will continue at least into 2028." I've been unable to find confirmation of this. Various searches suggest this is not true.
You will get a new product key to enter in activation to continue for 1 year for one PC only.
I bought my HP laptop windows 10 about 7 1/2 years ago, still running fine. I'll keep using it til it quits. When my dell desktop windows XP no longer received updates I kept using it till a hardware failure forced the new laptop purchase I'm now using. I skipped and never used Windows 7 and whatever came before Windows 10.
Microsoft should be required to take all the money paid for extended support of Windows 10 and put it into an account to pay every landfill across the nation for the massive amount of e-Waste that will be created when millions of perfectly working PCs that can't run Windows 11 get dumped.
Particularly since they don't need to be dumped. No one is required to purchase a new computer.
@@askleonotenboom No, no one is "required" to dump their PCs but many will. I run CAD software that creates files that are not backwardly compatible with older versions. Going forward, current versions of programs like Solidworks will not run on Windows 10, so I'll HAVE to buy a new PC if I want to keep working and sharing files with others. Not my choice.
I'm going to wait until summer 2025 to see if Microsoft will just give people free extended support for Win 10 instead of charging money. So many people still on Win 10. If all else fails I'll take my chances with the Win 10 LTSC version or switch to Linux.
I used the extended support for windows 7 and would like to use a very good antivirus software instead of the Extended support
Antivirus is built into Win10 in the form of Defender. Don't conflate kernel-level security updates with antivirus scans, because they're not the same thing.
Already got myself Win11 laptop, second hand, business class, for £240. Yet I switched it to Linux, just because. Win11 runs in a virtual machine and I have a clone ready to restore the system if it broke for some reason (which I actually did, twice already, restored it within 10 minutes). I'll do sensitive stuff on Linux and play on Windows what doesn't run on Linux. The same can be done with Win10 for years and years to come. Be careful with your data and enjoy the best of both worlds. You don't need to fork out a grand of your hard earned cash for new computer to satisfy the bully.
Don't want extended updates or pay for it. I prefer to keep using Windows 10 after end of life, but the possibility of exploits does bother me. But, what if I used a VM at all times when online? Would that and careful what I download be enough to take care of exploits?
I only have 1 laptop that uses W10 because it's from 2017. It's old and it's basically just a web browser now. It's not worth $30 a year so I've decided to put Linux Mint on it and then reinstall Edge, log into my Windows account, put all my extensions back on, and continue like nothing happened.
Interesting. I have a lovely Surface Pro 6 that isn't upgradeable. I look forward to having this option for my lovely little 2-in-1 tablet. Thank you. 💙🌻💙
I'm surprised you did not mention that Linux (Mint, Ubuntu) is free forever.
I have an HP laptop that isn't all that old. It runs fine. It's SSD is fast. Microsoft says the processor isn't supported, so it can't be upgraded to Windows 11. I don't like how one single company gets to decide what is supported and what isn't.
There are many ways around the TPM and Processor requirements of Windows 11. Windows 11 can be installed on any PC.
Had to replace my old desktop a year ago October and got a refurbished Dell Optiplex, a 7 year old i5 based SFF and it came with Windows 11. It's been mostly trouble free and it's really more than fine and not enough different than 10 in basic operations.
I, however, do have a retail copy of 10 sitting on a shelf that was for the old SFF Dell Optiplex, though a 4th gen i5 model that had 10 (also bought refurbished), but it threw a code that said mainboard failure (turned out to be the CMOS battery having died, but finding out after the fact and the upgrade had already taken place). Mind you, the SFF was NOT my first choice for the present computer, wanted to get the mini tower instead but the place only had the SFF, with NVME no less for $170 so that's what I have currently.
Saving up the funds for a total replacement in the coming year, like going ahead with the new 15th gen Core 7, likely the Ultra as it's what's available at the moment. So with that, will build it from scratch and initially put Win 10 and then do a free upgrade to 11.
I would’ve just upgraded to 11 or kept using 10. There are ways around the fake requirements. There is honestly no need to get a whole new computer.
@@9852323 In this case, the old dell was one, a 10 year old PC, running a 4th gen Intel i5 processor, and 2, it sprung a code for mainboard failure, turned out, AFTER the fact to be the CMOS battery needed replacing, but the newer PC was already purchased, and has NVME.
I hope to replace this present PC by next year with something more robust than a 7 YO core i5, SFF from Dell.
Both were purchased refurbished locally, the older PC was in 2019, and only meant to be for the short term because of dying hard drive and it's had many other parts replaced since I bought it new in 2009, first gen Core i7 that was then getting quite long in the tooth, but 4 years in, still on it... It ran an older Ferni based Nvidia GT 610, now deprecated, so it would not work with 11 due to no support for DX X 12 of which 11 requires. This was all in 2023. At that time, support ended for both Ferni and Keplar, Maxwell was still under support, as is Pascal.
So now run a GT 1030 as it was one of the very few cards that'll work with the 188W PSU and the confined space of a SFF desktop.
I hope to go all the way to the 15th gen Core 7 and Z890 chipset as LGA 1700 is at end of life for upgrading as it stops at the 14th gen Core series CPU's. This will give me an upgrade path, should I need it going forward.
Not for gaming, but for content creation.
Will you have to be logged in with a Microsoft account to get the updates?
Unclear. They haven't said, but I would expect it to be likely.
@@askleonotenboomDealbreaker
I mean, I would consider upgrading to Windows 11, but Microsoft is blocking me from installing it due to the lack of availability of TPM2.0 on my motherboard.
honestly even after end of support i cant see there being any problem for the average user staying on windows 10 unless you get something that requires win11. ive just tried win11 pro and it needed rebooting every 2 days compared to win10pro that i usually rebooted every month or so. besides other problems. win10pro for me untill i REALLY REALLY need win11 crap. After saying that i think there will be that many people staying on win10 MS might have to change their policies on Win10 updates :)
For $30 it saves the cost and bother of a new PC for another year. I will be signing up.
Exactly HOW does one maintain proper security? what's actually involved here? What do you have in mind, I wonder?
A quick search would send you to my most important article: askleo.com/internet-safety/ - which includes a video.
This might be good for for those using older business or workstation PCs as Dell OptiPlex and Precision, Lenovo ThinkCentre and ThinkStation, or HP EliteDesk with like 6th and 7th gen Intel CPUs or Xeon E-* series CPUs that otherwise works fine with even recent gen NVidia or AMD GPUs even in latest games, but are officially left out being unable to run Windows 11 at all. 💫
I'm still struggling as to whether I want to give up Windows 3.0 for 3.1. I wish I would have stayed with OS/2.
Windows for Workgroups FTW
Windows 3 eh. Wasn't DOS good enough for you?
@@firstlast5350 I used IBM PC DOS until a few months ago, but the university demanded that I "upgrade" to Win 3.0 and now 3.1. I miss my Norton Commander.
My laptop can not hold windows 11. Nor can it large updates. It isnt that old
This is MSFT's way of getting customers primed for another FEE "service." Another sneaky ripoff in the offing. Shame, shame, MSFT.
So Students and Business users get a 3 year tier for Extended Updates but the ordinary user only gets 1 year.. nice one Microsoft so kind of you
for the average consumer windows updated should not be a deal breaker if they cant get it. that is for the average person i plan on using windows 10 for 5-10 years past its end of life date.
They keep putting reintroducing a new version of Linux Mint but never anything special. Keep working on it
As of today, there is NOT any information from MS on where or how to purchase their $30.00 ESU😡
That's because while it's announced, they've explicitly said there'll be nothing until much closer to the end of service date.
Leo, if we upgrade to the version of Windows 11 that runs on a non-TPM machine (all of ours are that), can we keep the 'local user' account and not allow MS OneDrive to suck our data up onto the Microsoft cloud? I am a novelist and my wife a digital artist. We do not want Microsoft to scrape our work.🙄
Updates shouldn't affect the local accounts. Even if OneDrive is on the machine (which is UNrelated to whether you're using a local account or not), all you need to do is make sure your work is never placed within a folder which is within the OneDrive folder. That's it. OneDrive is not involved at all in that case. (And you can change the default save locations in apps like Word so as to save elsewhere as well.)
i might get Sign Up for Extended on my 5 year old acer desktop just 1 year even my pc does suropts windows 11
But some financial will not let you log on with an not supported systems.
Then they are stupid. It’s not their job to intrude about that type of thing.
yea ill be doing that for sure its $30 a year only unfortunatly
That's the price now
@@simonfrederiksen104 yes will pay the 30 for sure not a bad price can affored here
30 dollars for a year is not much if you are just doing one machine.the unfortunate thing is they don't give an option for 3 years for home users.
@@supersaiyaman11589 yes after 1 year you gonna have to use opatch website they offer 3 years if im not mistaken
I've been wondering what it would cost. As you say $30 is not a huge amount, but on the other hand you can "buy" a lot of Linux distros for $30. 😀
not everyone wants linux that is a personal choice.
Linux for anyone not reliant on non-window specific programs.
I have a different, effective plan.
At the end of support, going on using Windows 10 indefinately, but fully offline. Before that, finally starting to use Linux on a laptop and doing all my online business over that. Once I am getting used to Linux, transitioning away from Windows. Until 10, Windows was tolerable. W11 is not, and we can expect it to only get worse.
Windows 11 brings my decades of Windows experience to a halt. Switching to
Linux Mint in 2025. No to buying a new CPU to install spyware and a not so
friendly OS.
Just remove the TPM restriction and let it install on older hardware. With a warning that some features may not work.
ya removing the tmp requirement would make too much sense but than again even without tpm i would not be getting windows 11.
I think everyone knows by now how to remove tpm and cpu requirements when creating windows installation media.
@@greybeard5774 their is always the option of not getting windows 11 don't get it unless it comes pre installed on a new computer. the consumer needs to ask themselves why do i need this new os if the answer is i have no clue than you probably are better off staying with what you have.
Here is a Question for you i am paying Norton for Computer Protection every yr and its about 130 bucks a Yr for up to 5 Phones or Computers what are they Protecting me from?
Supposedly malware (viruses and the like). You might want to read this one: askleo.com/security-software-recommend/
thank you. my world is overwhelmed by openai's o1 pro 200USD/mo plan. MS dont have the influence as in the past.
Updates will end , but, if you pay me you can have an extra year. So the updates are still available!!! SCAM!!!
Sounds like 'making money by menaces'.
Force me out, I go elsewhere.
Who's losing, me or you?
Or
Who's hurt the most, me or you?
The shop next-door is nearly always cheaper.
This episode calls a "spade a spade" correctly. Anyway, I am using Microsoft Windows 11 Professional, and it worked out fine for me, without any security problems. I would not urge everyone to switch to Windows 11, because some people can and others cannot make the change. There is nothing that people make is perfect.
Microsoft is a complete control system
I have Windows 10. The only updates that are worth the fuss are the security updates. The feature updates aren't all that great.
Produce a nightmare OS and charge people for continued support of the old one... Brilliant!
Shades of Vista and Win8. Had no issues with win7!
Toss a coin, I guess?
$30 doesn’t buy you a lot of anything, anywhere, so maybe it's not so outrageous? (Although it may not be $30 outside in the US....in Australia, I'm expecting a higher cost because of exchange rates and, we just seem to pay more because we are a small market).
That said, by paying the $30, are we ultimately just deferring a decision for 12 months?
Our needs are mostly fairly basic. At this point, I'm inclined to move over to Linux. We had Linux (Ubuntu) for some years, after Windows 7 stopped being supported. I'm not a techy person, but quite liked telling people I used Linux. 😂
No you should just make frequent backups, not store any information that is private, and restore from backups when it gets trashed, same as you would normally do with any supported windows system because under the best of circumstances, the supported versions aren't secure. Better yet, install Linux and get out from under corporate extortion.
Leaning hard towards Linux, no windows spying .
I've just started with it on my oldest computer. I figure that way back when I managed to learn DOS so I should be able to figure out Linux eventually. Wish me luck.
All spying can be blocked, and you stay away from Windows 11
Question: what activities and exercises would you recommend so that I can increase my capacity for hating Microsoft? When Microsoft brought out Windows 10, they promised it was the last version but then they came out with Windows 11, which is terrible and not seeming to get much better and they’re also coming out with Windows 12 and what is clear is that we were catfish. So, I think all of us who use Windows 10 should be exercising and practicing so that our hatred of Microsoft can burn as bright as the sun for longer than the age of the universe.
Don't have an answer for more hate, but I do want to clarify: Microsoft did not claim 10 was the last Windows. One random marketing guy apparently said it, and it was blown all out of proportion. More here: askleo.com/did-microsoft-lie/ (There's also been no official word on 12, everything I've seen has been completely unsubstantiated rumor.)
@@askleonotenboom
Well, I'm certainly glad (and sad) to hear that Microsoft (so far as of 4:20PM EST on December 14, 2024) has not officially announced Windows 12. I'm glad to hear that Microsoft (officially) is not distracted from trying to finish (fix?) Windows 11. I'm sad that there is no Windows 12 coming that might fix Windows 11 issues.
As far as my level of MICROSOFT HATE is concerned, I have no doubt that Microsoft will help me (and 100s of millions of other people around the world) increase our level of hate through its many ill-considered money grubbing activities leading up to the Windows 10 end-of-free-support date. In that regard, we can ALWAYS count on Microsoft!
Should I sign up ? NO, I will dump Windoze finally and go for Linux, probable Linux Mint.
Fifteen minutes from now you could be looking back at all this and laughing.
as home user..... NO!
but might consider to continue on w$10 IF m$ pays subscription...
...to me of course...
Move to Linux if Microsoft is gonna have such strict requirements for Windows 11.
I guess that means their updates won't break my machine anymore. Cool!
No. Nobody needs it, I still use 7 and I’m fine.
I haven't updated my Windows in 83 years!
Microsoft really kicking my butt to switch to Linux lol. Gotta try out Linux on one of my spare computers before next year.
can i keep Windows 11 23h2 and never upgrade to 24h2?? once i can i will upgrade to Linux
I think at some point Windows will force that update. 24H2 is fine for most folks
i dont get what the big deal is is just keep on using windows 10 if you don't like or cant get windows 11.
@@askleonotenboom I have Windows 11 on my work Dell laptop. The 24H2 update has been forced on me twice this week and in both cases I've had to uninstall the update because the network adapters wouldn't start. I actually want 24H2 for some of the features like sudo but it's useless if I can't connect to any network.
@@askleonotenboom thr problem with 24h2 is they remove the win10 taskbar and recall
Considering the fact that I have not activated my copy of Windows 10, it is highly unlikely I will pay for this service.
😂😂
None of my three machines can run Windows 11 officially. I'll likely pop the $30 for ONE year for my best PC, but I'll put Linux Mint on my other ancient PC. For my laptop, I'm going to use Rufus to force install Windows 11 and see how it goes.
This is the first time Microsoft has offered extended security updates to home users. It is currently only for one year and we don't know If Microsoft will extend it. SInce Windows XP, Microsoft has supported Windows for 10 years
Not for me.
A better solution: remove your internet connection. Lose10 will install and work just fine without it, no need for security updates ever again. Get a miniPC (~$120) and Linux ($0) and use that for the internet.
I recommend linux insteed
No. Update to W11 or if Microsoft won't support your hardware install Linux or maybe even ChromeOS. If you're not an enterprise user there's no need to waste money on paying for extended support.
Do NOT upgrade to Windows 11!!! It is embedded with AI!
At this point might as well move to Linux on older hardware
linux is not meant for the average user period unless you are literate in Linux i would not recommend using it.
@ Not necessarily though, Chrome OS Flex is a Linux distro that is very simple to use for basic tasks
@@Edmundostudios chrome os flex might no longer happen as chrome os is being depreciated for a android with a laptop user interface
lol, nope. Not continuing to get dragged further into MS' increasingly terrible business model and privacy dumpster fire that is Win11. (Keyloggers?? Data vacuuming turned on by default?? No wonder I'm old and grumpy.) My wife just retired, no one is paying us to use Windows. Linux or Apple from now on. (yeah, I know, I know, but f*ck MS).
Just received a little N100 mini pc I'm using as a client for a video display. It came with Win11 Pro pre-installed, which led to an interesting question: Which do I trust less, MicroSoft or a Win11 install from a random company in mainland China? The answer was a quick boot-up check with no networking access, then a Debian install. Works great.
Data vacuuming is not turned on by default. Not sure what keyloggers you refer to.
I wouldn't. Just install Windows 10 LTSC if you really need to have windows and find Windows 11 a dumpster fire
I am NOT going to W11. End of story.
I'm glad my main computer is macOS. I do have 2 old Windows computers running Win 10 that can't upgrade to Win 11. I will not be getting the Extended Security, instead I'll be switching both Windows computers over to Linux. No more Windows for me! 😉
How do we know Microsoft isn't causing these problems?
Because we're not paranoid? Seriously, that's a rabbit hole that just doesn't make any sense.
@askleonotenboom Maybe not paranoid, but maybe you're naive? If Win10 met your requirements, as previous versions probably met the same requirements, why would you happily move over? Microsoft is constantly putting out updates which too many times need fixes? The fixes usually cause more problems? And usually the next version ( win11 ) is designed to fix all the previous faults? By stopping updates and fixes Microsoft hopes you will be tempted to move up, and by coincidence accept recall? Do you seek recall? Do you have a choice?
@@stephenmason5682 I've often advised that people need not move on. Not sure what your point is. (And yes, Recall is a choice, not a requirement. I have a video/article on that as well.)
Leo, EFF Microsoft where the Sun don't shine! I am getting comfortable with Linux Mint Debian. The biggest problem with it is the pathetic performance of Zoom on Linux. It's hit or miss. Other than that I'll be more than happy to leave Windows in the history bin...
I ain't going to pay Microsoft anything. I am not buying Windows 11 for my new rig. I am going Linux, folks! I will use my old rig for gaming, period. To hell with Redmond Microsoft. (How's that for attitude, huh?)
Linux better pick one mager favorite distro & run with it. I pick mint
Pfff. No. Unless you're an enterprise. In which case do the decent and cost effective thing and move to AS-400 (joke).
Windows 11 is bad...Will pay a year then 2026 will be the year i'll learn Linux...
i dont think you should if you can avoid it like upgrading to windows 11 or switching to free and open source operating systems such as linux or any of the bsd family of operating systems. could also upgrade hardware components to make switching to windows 11 possible and enable bios features which are needed for windows 11.
you shouldnt have to pay to keep receiving security fixes because the operating system introduced the vulnerability and you already paid a license fee to use it. if it was a new feature i wouldnt mind so much if there was a cost attached to it. as a whole i diagree with SaSS where you have to keep making a repeated payment to use the software. it should be a one-time cost or free
I'm still getting win7 security updates LOL for FREE
Individuals stuck on Windows 10…. Just update to 11. Yea use something like the Rufus memstick maker to get it installed if on an older device. Or buy something new; they are faster with their nvmes, newer hardware and faster ram.
Unless you just don't like Windows 11, for whatever reason, there are many ways to bypass the processor and tpm requirements and install it on any computer. Windows 10 had more issues than 11 did when it first came out.
Just install steam os when it comes out or Linux
Steam OS makes it nearly impossible to develop on. You can... _Barely_ And it's a PITA to get working. Sandboxing everything is only a solution if you don't do anything serious on your PC.
NO !!!!!
I don't use Win Defender, it's garbage.
Care to back that up?
@@askleonotenboom Yes I used Win Defender, and then when I used Avast and Malware Bytes, and they found 50 or so malware that Win Defender did not find.
HMMMM ,lets think a little . Keep using as is , orrrrr let Microsoft have my bank account info . I don't even use Microsoft Defender ( DISABLED ) . I have been using these since the birth of 10 Panda Dome and Malwarebytes . Never a problem with either one . Just a money scam from good ol' Microsoft in my opinion .
I would absolutely not advise people to continue using Windows 10 after the EOL date without extended security updates.
hell no i cant wait for updates to run out!! so sick of microsoft dipping into my computer!!
Gnu Linux