cant believe shorekeeper turned out to be such a disappointment, my Verina still feels better to use, my Baizhi also heals more and can resurrect while also giving an immediate dmg buff, im just disappointed, thought she gonna be cracked af...
Shorekeeper isn’t created to powercreep verina but to answer the problem of lack of sustain for tower runs. Basically its a tradeoff so both are still good to have. Verina is still good for Jinshi hypercarry team while shore cater for the rest of the main DPS like Jiyan and Encore
@@keepkarlm6771It's you who need to watch the video again... It's clearly stated that Shorekeeper-Changli-Encore is a solid team, the main reason for such a thing being that Changli's personal damage AND buffs offset the fact that Encore can be played in shorter rotations. The main thing to keep in mind when reading the chart is that it is only meant to tell you how long the rotation should last for and which character(s) are making it lag behind. Obviously, if only Shorekeeper is keeping you from rotating faster, that's an issue because her own personal damage may not be enough to compensate for the extra time. But otherwise, if the other character who is lagging behind brings a lot to the table (like Changli), then Shorekeeper is no longer the one dictating the pace of the rotation and it makes no sense to replace her.
@@TRak598 I never said encore changli shorekeeper is a bad team, I just commented on the fact that he said "rest of the main DPS" and stated 2 DPS that have teams where Verina is straight up better like jiyan mortefy and encore sanhua
I think it's also worth mentioning that 12.5 crit rate makes it noticeably more consistent (and less frustrating) playing damage dealers that rely on fewer, larger hits like especially Jinhsi but also Changli. It brings my Jinhsi to from 80 -> 92.5% which very impactfully effected the player experience for me, from (subjectivity) often missing crits to almost never missing. Personally, I did pull s2r1 and at that investment level she feels like a god, amping team damage by roughly twice the value of verina and the longer duration enabling more team rotations, such as double cycles in 2 of my most played comps and still being able to finish with the enhanced intro. (sk -> zhezhi -> jinhsi -> zhezhi -> jinhsi and sk -> sanhua -> zhezhi -> sanhua -> zhezhi) Anyway always enjoy hearing your in depth analyses, can't wait for the camellya literally everything (after 100hrs of work) 😂
This is one of the most in depth and detailed guides I've seen on youtube. I've been more or less been trying to explain this, which is why I felt shorekeeper was a worthwhile skip for my account since I already have verina and e6 baizhi. The game will eventually bring us a new better sustain. Hopefully a shielder then I will pull.
Rlly nice vid bro, your team sheet it's rlly nice. I saw yesterday a top 10 speedruns S0R1 in the past TOA vs Heron in Bilibili and Verina appeared 3 times and the second faster team used Verina. If you want to see the time and teams: 10º - Changli - Sanhua - Shorekeeper 35 sec 9º - Jiyan - Changli - Verina 34 sec 8º - Jiyan - Mortefi - Shorekeeper 32 sec 7º - Calcharo - Jinhsi - Verina 32 sec 6º - Xiangli Yao - Changli - Shorekeeper 32 sec 5º - Encore - Sanhua - Shorekeeper 31 sec 4º - Encore - Changli - Shorekeeper 31 sec 3º - Jinhsi - Zhezhi - Shorekeeper 30 sec 2º - Jinhsi - Changli - Verina 29 sec 1º - Xiangli Yao - Calcharo - Shorekeeper 28 sec (Yeap... calculator... 55 ping btw) (I saw other vid with Jinhsi - Changli - Shorekeeper with 28 secs but the persons didn't show the build so I don't know if it's S0R1) I'll leave the name of the vid, because YT don't like links: 【鸣潮0+1竞速统计】第三期--“群星静默，直至找到它们的路” 9.30~10.14
Thanks for the video man! I'm glad Kuro somehow made SK a bit different than Verina. And that's also why when I use SK, it depend on how fast can my sub-dps build concerto. I find SK better to be used with the likes of San Hua (for my Yao/changli team) or Mortefi (for my Jiyan). I prefer Baizhi or Verina for my Jinhsi.
good video, tbh we dont have enough of these types of educational showcases that goes a bit deeper, probably because the majority dont really care about these small nuances 😂 i also believe that verina can be just as good in some cases, but just a couple things i like to point out tho. 1. her liberation limitations doesnt really result in less buff uptime, just slightly longer warmup time(~5 secs most teams), u only need to tune your concerto into double intro scenario where u can quickly activate the golden aurora, whether its dual dps or hypercarry, its the same principle, thats what the warmup rotation is for, to setup your loop rotation. 2.her 25s CD is somewhat restricting in some cases, but because it lasts 30s, it also allows specific double burst opportunity windows, u can fit 2 xly/changli/jinhsi/encore/chixia burst windows in 1 SK liberation, u may not be able to loop these burst rotations, but u can put them at either the warm-up or last burst rotation for a final oomph to finish your opponent. this is not restricted to s1, u can do this on s0. 2.5. going off of that. 50k is nice, but like u mentioned it is just 5% of your total dmg, if u have to lose the intro to complete a double burst rotation, so be it, as long as its the tail end of your rotation and not your ur primary burst, the extra dmg often offsets the enhanced intro.
Great video! From my experience its S2 Verina >/= S0 SK > S0 Verina in settings like the Tower. Verina is noticeably better in the overworld however as she can get her whole kit out in any scenario where SK struggles especially if you kill anyways too fast and you dont have your lib for the next battle. Another thing I would like to add is Verina is much faster in the first rotation compared to SK. Second rotation onwards SK picks up as she needs one less attack string to build her outro due to introing.
For optimal use verina suits Jinshi more becoz of dast concerto and dmg amplifier and cordinated atk jinshi loves and put zhezhi in team jinshi skill dmg buff added another jinshi loves. While SK also very good with any other dps but i like to prefer SK run with Changli or YAO team. Its just matter of boss who you are facing. The new boss comepletely heavy spectro resistance so going with jinshi team is idiot choice. Same for inferno rider going changli is only delay finishing boss. Same for other element. So it just matter of where which team suits.
Still trying to understand ur rotation time spreadsheet but for verina encore sanhua team, the rotation should be less than 15 sec cuz we dont have to outro with verina each time (the outro buff lasts 30 sec), and verina can get her full concerto with 2 skills + 1 lib + variantion + 2 air atk (if low refined variation or no c2). That means verina has almost 0 field time and is significantly better than shorekeeper for that team (or any sanhua support team). Plus verina has a faster first rotation too.
This is true and a rotation I did not consider, since I opted for her Atk% buff every rotation and decided to just run her full rotation. I have not run the calcs on completely skipping Verina every other rotation, or just popping her in to re-proc the Atk% buff itself and nothing else.
@@AznvasionsII its a very popular rotation with many showcases. I'm surprised ppl still only look at and compare raw concerto charge spd from 0 to 100 (which is only matter on the first rotation). Verina is somehow underrated with the amount of Shorekeeper's glazing. Oh well, our conclusion is still the same tho, verina > shoekeeper
Don't know about all the theories, all I know i that any team that i put shorekeeper is able to beat every floor of the tower, and that is not true for verina
It's easier for me to get 6 crest in the middle hazard tower with a party of jinhsi, zezhi and verina than jinhsi, zezhi shorekeeper. Well maybe it's because I'm not used to the party rotation of jinhsi, zezhi and sk
For this week toa, i tried to use both paired with just jinshi on middle tower. Sk + jinshi = 5 sec left memphis level. Verina + jinshi = 30+ sec left memphis. Idk if i use sk wrong but i find verina + jinshi to be way stronger.
Tbh with you…I do feel like my Baizhi is better for my change/encore team than Shorekeeper, but I use shorekeeper anyway lol And Verina is leagues better for Jinshi
Shorekeepers big intro isnt that big of a deal, assuming the reason you didnt get it was because you kept your main dd in a bit longer. Heck sometimes it feels like a damage loss. If im playing her with Encore i am not at all sure that its worth it to swap her out until the stellarealm is gone. unless lots f mob. shorekeepers intro vs a bunch of targets is pretty huge. I think having a higher refine variation does give Verina an edge, especially if you also have her s2. her rotations will be lightning fast in those cases. she'll be in and out in a second. I also dont get why youre cycling off your Encore early. The point of shorekeeper/sanhua/Encore is to get Encore in asap and keep her on the field. you dont swap her out till the stellarealm is almost over, or is over. you also have the 6 second Shorekeeper concerto build, so technically its a 19-21 second rotation where you will have her ult ready by the time you have the concerto to do it.
As a f2p, not gonna funnel my savings into a support only to make her a bit better than the standard one. Maybe the meta tends to circle around SK in the future, maybe not, so I prefer to save for now
Quick question: In Encore - Sanhua team: If Encore end her rotation by swapping onto Sanhua, then supercharge Sanhua Forte before outro onto Shorekeeper, would it significantly reduce the death gap between the Encore - Sanhua "19s rotation" and Shorekeeper "25s requirement"? Since i have Verina Sc1(using a R1 Variation) and SK Sc0R1, and the clear-time seem pretty close to each other.
if your team already has a high crit rate wouldnt that make keeper more valuable? getting closer to 100% crit % and adding crit damage on top of that should add noticably more damage on a well built team ibwoukd think
The Verina team should have very similar damage, as Chixia Changli is typically roughly 20-21s already as Quickswap. Verina S2 brings this up to 22-23s, but needs 24s to cycle, whereas the SK variant would be about 25-26s. The Verina version would be easier to play, and also has more tolerance for dodges since you only need to complete the 22-23s rotation within 24s for optimal dps. It is possible the SK team might edge ahead, but this is a case where Verina is a lot more comfortable, and again, has the option to double Intro Changli to make things smoother.
I have both, and play Jiyan/Mortefi and Jinshi/Zezhi, I decided to put Shorekeeper on the Jiyan team for now. My rotations aren’t great so I didn’t even have downtime in the Jiyan team just playing how I usually do with Verina, also he has less crit stats. Ended up with 29/30, the missing star is actually Jiyan in the right tower. I was also wondering, would shorekeeper change what Echo Mainstats Jinshi wants? I know sig weapon pushes her towards an Atk 3-cost, and 44111 is also sometimes brought up, does that become less viable with shorekeeper?
The 44111 would still work but as usual be noticeably weaker by about 5% or so. With Shorekeeper on Jinhsi, the Atk% 3-cost is actually worth a tiny bit more, since it is no longer diluted by Verina’s 20% Atk buff, and of course, we don’t have to worry about SK’s crit buff being diluted, since there are so few sources of crit atm.
Even with her weapon 44111 is significantly worse than 43311 with 2 spectro 3 costs (unless your echos are REALLY bad like less than 1 crit roll per artifact), and yes, with Shorekeeper 44111 will be even worse and for 43311 the 3 costs being 1 spectro 1 atk will be even more relevant since you lose Verina's atk buff
@@clesilver220good to know thanks, do you know if S1 changes that? I always thought it was part of the generic damage buff, so an extra 80% dmg+, but if it's independent then that wouldn't make a difference (I got it kind of on accident)
@@clesilver220 what are you talking about? it is NOT worse in a jinshi team... watch maygi's video on the subject... on jinshi 44111 is actually BETTER than 43311
@@fluffygalaxy6 jinshi is actually better with 44111 you can watch maygi's video on the subject, but yes with shorekeeper and 44111 and her sig weapon and okay rolls you can overcap on crit rate and go beyond 100% which is bad
BRO, pls look my last video at last seconds (17:33) that was clear 20s rotation on ChangLi (with Shore), and previous (14:52) clean 20s with Verina u r not right in 24s
This video confuse me. Shorekeeper ult: Stage 1: blue color realm (no buff just heals) Stage 2: purple color realm (+12.5% crit) Stage 3: gold color realm (+12.5% crit AND +25% crit dmg) If 12.5% crit is approx. 42% attack If 25% crit dmg is approx. 42% attack Then 42% + 42% = 84% We are looking at Verina's 20% attack buff vs shorekeeper's 84% attack buff. In the video, u keep mentioning verina's 20% atk vs Shorekeeper's 42% atk buff, but shouldn't you be saying 84% atk buff instead? Shorekeeper does get both +12.5% crit AND +25% crit dmg buff at the same time, at gold stellar realm. Am I wrong or am I right? I need help....
@@AznvasionsIIthen what is this 1.7 times thing? can u explain a bit more on this? Do u mean 12.5% crit x 1.7 = 21.25%.... like this? More explanation would be appreciated thanks....
No hate against Verina (outside her drip), but I really don't give a fck she is 2s faster, when with Shorekeeper, I can nuke upwards of 400k using Jinhsi without echo god rolls. Same with any other dps I have, that extra 12.5 crit really adds up in the consistency, and I really feel the boost in the nukes with the crit damage. Honestly some of this sounds like cope, how in hell will crit rate and crit damage be diminishing returns when your account grows? Oh you will get characters that have more crit rate later... so you mean with Shorekeeper I could potentially guarantee 100% crit rate then, without sacrificing crit damage, plus boosting it, and that is going to be weaker than Verina? bs
Easy. Verina is better for short battles, Shorekeeper is better for longer battles. In short battles you usually cant make the intros to evolve her ulti to the max level so in the open world a lot of times it doesnt reach full power, but in long battles, Shorekeeper is way better. Her buffs are more powerful if you get her full buffs.
@@AznvasionsII got my verina to s2 and recently got shorekeeper to s1, so this guide is really interesting, I'm guessing verina s2 makes her better than shorekeeper most of the time since the rotation becomes almost less than a second
I don't know about optimal use and all that... but to me, Shopkeeper is much easier to use and heal better. I like the old "press skill > heal" thing.. and her healing field is very reliable. To be clear.. I am a very "uga bunga" type of player.
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@AznvasionsII Have you seen ken rurouni's encore shorekeeper rotation? What do you think about it?
cant believe shorekeeper turned out to be such a disappointment, my Verina still feels better to use, my Baizhi also heals more and can resurrect while also giving an immediate dmg buff, im just disappointed, thought she gonna be cracked af...
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Shorekeeper isn’t created to powercreep verina but to answer the problem of lack of sustain for tower runs.
Basically its a tradeoff so both are still good to have.
Verina is still good for Jinshi hypercarry team while shore cater for the rest of the main DPS like Jiyan and Encore
Did you watch the video? These are literally the DPSs that hate shorekeeper the most, aside from jinhsi
you have it in reverse, kinda. SK is okay for jinhsi hypercarry teams / great if S1, but they are wonky on quickswap / double carry setups.
@@keepkarlm6771It's you who need to watch the video again...
It's clearly stated that Shorekeeper-Changli-Encore is a solid team, the main reason for such a thing being that Changli's personal damage AND buffs offset the fact that Encore can be played in shorter rotations.
The main thing to keep in mind when reading the chart is that it is only meant to tell you how long the rotation should last for and which character(s) are making it lag behind. Obviously, if only Shorekeeper is keeping you from rotating faster, that's an issue because her own personal damage may not be enough to compensate for the extra time.
But otherwise, if the other character who is lagging behind brings a lot to the table (like Changli), then Shorekeeper is no longer the one dictating the pace of the rotation and it makes no sense to replace her.
She’s clearly better than verina especially if u have copies that Crit damage and crite rate helps a lot
@@TRak598 I never said encore changli shorekeeper is a bad team, I just commented on the fact that he said "rest of the main DPS" and stated 2 DPS that have teams where Verina is straight up better like jiyan mortefy and encore sanhua
Happi to have both, happi to use both, happi to build both, happi to see encore get stronk supports ❤
happi happi, surely powerpuff team soon yes?
Same here
@@AznvasionsII Rwaaaaaaah
I think it's also worth mentioning that 12.5 crit rate makes it noticeably more consistent (and less frustrating) playing damage dealers that rely on fewer, larger hits like especially Jinhsi but also Changli. It brings my Jinhsi to from 80 -> 92.5% which very impactfully effected the player experience for me, from (subjectivity) often missing crits to almost never missing.
Personally, I did pull s2r1 and at that investment level she feels like a god, amping team damage by roughly twice the value of verina and the longer duration enabling more team rotations, such as double cycles in 2 of my most played comps and still being able to finish with the enhanced intro. (sk -> zhezhi -> jinhsi -> zhezhi -> jinhsi and sk -> sanhua -> zhezhi -> sanhua -> zhezhi)
Anyway always enjoy hearing your in depth analyses, can't wait for the camellya literally everything (after 100hrs of work) 😂
Subbed! Thanks so much for the detailed analysis.
This is one of the most in depth and detailed guides I've seen on youtube. I've been more or less been trying to explain this, which is why I felt shorekeeper was a worthwhile skip for my account since I already have verina and e6 baizhi. The game will eventually bring us a new better sustain. Hopefully a shielder then I will pull.
I love your videos! Very helpful
Great video. thx! It help alot!
discovered your channel thru this video. it's so cool seeing high level play in wuwa (smn i will never achieve cuz fat fingers
Remember Verina S4 also boost spectro dmg bonus too
Rlly nice vid bro, your team sheet it's rlly nice. I saw yesterday a top 10 speedruns S0R1 in the past TOA vs Heron in Bilibili and Verina appeared 3 times and the second faster team used Verina.
If you want to see the time and teams:
10º - Changli - Sanhua - Shorekeeper 35 sec
9º - Jiyan - Changli - Verina 34 sec
8º - Jiyan - Mortefi - Shorekeeper 32 sec
7º - Calcharo - Jinhsi - Verina 32 sec
6º - Xiangli Yao - Changli - Shorekeeper 32 sec
5º - Encore - Sanhua - Shorekeeper 31 sec
4º - Encore - Changli - Shorekeeper 31 sec
3º - Jinhsi - Zhezhi - Shorekeeper 30 sec
2º - Jinhsi - Changli - Verina 29 sec
1º - Xiangli Yao - Calcharo - Shorekeeper 28 sec (Yeap... calculator... 55 ping btw)
(I saw other vid with Jinhsi - Changli - Shorekeeper with 28 secs but the persons didn't show the build so I don't know if it's S0R1)
I'll leave the name of the vid, because YT don't like links: 【鸣潮0+1竞速统计】第三期--“群星静默，直至找到它们的路” 9.30~10.14
Thanks for the video man! I'm glad Kuro somehow made SK a bit different than Verina. And that's also why when I use SK, it depend on how fast can my sub-dps build concerto. I find SK better to be used with the likes of San Hua (for my Yao/changli team) or Mortefi (for my Jiyan). I prefer Baizhi or Verina for my Jinhsi.
Great guide, also I'm happy I managed to make my shorekeeper cast her special intro that ticked at over 100k dmg haha
how bro
stats? and lvl 90 chara+weapon?
good video, tbh we dont have enough of these types of educational showcases that goes a bit deeper, probably because the majority dont really care about these small nuances 😂
i also believe that verina can be just as good in some cases, but just a couple things i like to point out tho.
1. her liberation limitations doesnt really result in less buff uptime, just slightly longer warmup time(~5 secs most teams), u only need to tune your concerto into double intro scenario where u can quickly activate the golden aurora, whether its dual dps or hypercarry, its the same principle, thats what the warmup rotation is for, to setup your loop rotation.
2.her 25s CD is somewhat restricting in some cases, but because it lasts 30s, it also allows specific double burst opportunity windows, u can fit 2 xly/changli/jinhsi/encore/chixia burst windows in 1 SK liberation, u may not be able to loop these burst rotations, but u can put them at either the warm-up or last burst rotation for a final oomph to finish your opponent. this is not restricted to s1, u can do this on s0.
2.5. going off of that. 50k is nice, but like u mentioned it is just 5% of your total dmg, if u have to lose the intro to complete a double burst rotation, so be it, as long as its the tail end of your rotation and not your ur primary burst, the extra dmg often offsets the enhanced intro.
remember, her intro also give 20 concerto on top of damage, can be crucial
@@teenagesilver6512 both intros give 20 concerto, im saying u dont have to obsess over the enhance 1
Got both because ToA can be unforgiving sometimes
Luckily you want to have both so it doesn't matter.
Awesome video!
Quick tip : if you're struggling with any hologram try a Hyper Carry (XY, H. Rover, Jiyan) with both Verina and Shorekeeper
Great video! From my experience its S2 Verina >/= S0 SK > S0 Verina in settings like the Tower. Verina is noticeably better in the overworld however as she can get her whole kit out in any scenario where SK struggles especially if you kill anyways too fast and you dont have your lib for the next battle.
Another thing I would like to add is Verina is much faster in the first rotation compared to SK. Second rotation onwards SK picks up as she needs one less attack string to build her outro due to introing.
I just got her to have a healer. But i will keep this in mind form the video ,faster rotations verina suits better for longer shorekeeper.
Not gonna lie S2 Verina is amazing and I pulled her while pulling for shore keeper
Same lol
I lost 50/50 to s1 verina now but no storekeeper, I want her soo badly...😭😭
@aniexch812 good luck on your pulls!! At least you have a guarantee ready
I use both in one team with Changli 🗿 an unkillable team period
For my weak teams shorekeepr and for my strong teams verina
Shorekeeper did replace my Vern
But Jianxin still has top all around support role for me.
Shorekeeper to Jianxin to DPS = Crazy Damage Shields
especially for holograms
Would be cool to see a video about running them both on the same team lol.
For optimal use verina suits Jinshi more becoz of dast concerto and dmg amplifier and cordinated atk jinshi loves and put zhezhi in team jinshi skill dmg buff added another jinshi loves. While SK also very good with any other dps but i like to prefer SK run with Changli or YAO team. Its just matter of boss who you are facing. The new boss comepletely heavy spectro resistance so going with jinshi team is idiot choice. Same for inferno rider going changli is only delay finishing boss. Same for other element. So it just matter of where which team suits.
Dude, I've been looking for you in warframe. I stopped playing because you stopped playing and now I see you in wuwa as I contemplate pulling for SK.
S2 shorekeeperrrrrrrr 🤤
Still trying to understand ur rotation time spreadsheet but for verina encore sanhua team, the rotation should be less than 15 sec cuz we dont have to outro with verina each time (the outro buff lasts 30 sec), and verina can get her full concerto with 2 skills + 1 lib + variantion + 2 air atk (if low refined variation or no c2). That means verina has almost 0 field time and is significantly better than shorekeeper for that team (or any sanhua support team). Plus verina has a faster first rotation too.
This is true and a rotation I did not consider, since I opted for her Atk% buff every rotation and decided to just run her full rotation. I have not run the calcs on completely skipping Verina every other rotation, or just popping her in to re-proc the Atk% buff itself and nothing else.
@@AznvasionsII its a very popular rotation with many showcases. I'm surprised ppl still only look at and compare raw concerto charge spd from 0 to 100 (which is only matter on the first rotation). Verina is somehow underrated with the amount of Shorekeeper's glazing. Oh well, our conclusion is still the same tho, verina > shoekeeper
I still find verina to be better even for my jiyuan team tbh. Needing two intros per rotation really slows things down.
I would want 2 intros anyway as the 2nd champ is also buffing my incoming dps
Don't know about all the theories, all I know i that any team that i put shorekeeper is able to beat every floor of the tower, and that is not true for verina
It's easier for me to get 6 crest in the middle hazard tower with a party of jinhsi, zezhi and verina than jinhsi, zezhi shorekeeper. Well maybe it's because I'm not used to the party rotation of jinhsi, zezhi and sk
For this week toa, i tried to use both paired with just jinshi on middle tower.
Sk + jinshi = 5 sec left memphis level.
Verina + jinshi = 30+ sec left memphis.
Idk if i use sk wrong but i find verina + jinshi to be way stronger.
Tbh with you…I do feel like my Baizhi is better for my change/encore team than Shorekeeper, but I use shorekeeper anyway lol
And Verina is leagues better for Jinshi
i prefer verina over sk in my jinhsi team since she can 0 to 100 her concerto rq, i always pop 2 dragon pew pew in my full rotation easily
Shorekeepers big intro isnt that big of a deal, assuming the reason you didnt get it was because you kept your main dd in a bit longer. Heck sometimes it feels like a damage loss. If im playing her with Encore i am not at all sure that its worth it to swap her out until the stellarealm is gone. unless lots f mob. shorekeepers intro vs a bunch of targets is pretty huge.
I think having a higher refine variation does give Verina an edge, especially if you also have her s2. her rotations will be lightning fast in those cases. she'll be in and out in a second.
I also dont get why youre cycling off your Encore early. The point of shorekeeper/sanhua/Encore is to get Encore in asap and keep her on the field. you dont swap her out till the stellarealm is almost over, or is over. you also have the 6 second Shorekeeper concerto build, so technically its a 19-21 second rotation where you will have her ult ready by the time you have the concerto to do it.
Wait till they introduce those non Atk scaling DD
man yall take the fun out of gaming lmao
Man, I was expecting a sizeable Verina upgrade from Shorekeeper, not sidegrade. Probably going to pull her on rerun if no better supports are added
Well this Is SK S0R0 you might buy waveplates without pull them and future new characters May prefer SK
As a f2p, not gonna funnel my savings into a support only to make her a bit better than the standard one. Maybe the meta tends to circle around SK in the future, maybe not, so I prefer to save for now
Quick question: In Encore - Sanhua team: If Encore end her rotation by swapping onto Sanhua, then supercharge Sanhua Forte before outro onto Shorekeeper, would it significantly reduce the death gap between the Encore - Sanhua "19s rotation" and Shorekeeper "25s requirement"? Since i have Verina Sc1(using a R1 Variation) and SK Sc0R1, and the clear-time seem pretty close to each other.
Well SK R1 buff your team of 14% more Attack It Is normal that the gap you have Is far less
I use shorekeeper, Verona and the dragon lady and destroy everything
if your team already has a high crit rate wouldnt that make keeper more valuable? getting closer to 100% crit % and adding crit damage on top of that should add noticably more damage on a well built team ibwoukd think
Verina easier to use overall while SK builded for quick swap team
frick rotations put verina and shorekeeper together with a DPS and hope for the best like always
When at s2 Shorekeeper, never
I lost 50/50 to verina on shopkeeper banner, pain.... 💀😭💔
Now i have s1 verina, is it worth it??
Can you try falacy of no return to verina? I'm planning to build sir..what can you say about that sir?
Pick Shorekeeper cause pretty and Waifu :3
based choice. Most wholesome one yet
Sadly she will have to continue her task in my main account
I've been running a Changli/Chixia for some time. Would S2 Verina be better than SK in this team?
Short answer, yes. Why? Bcuz Quickswap is more forgiving with Ver than SK.
I'm a Chixia main and I've played both extensively
The Verina team should have very similar damage, as Chixia Changli is typically roughly 20-21s already as Quickswap. Verina S2 brings this up to 22-23s, but needs 24s to cycle, whereas the SK variant would be about 25-26s. The Verina version would be easier to play, and also has more tolerance for dodges since you only need to complete the 22-23s rotation within 24s for optimal dps. It is possible the SK team might edge ahead, but this is a case where Verina is a lot more comfortable, and again, has the option to double Intro Changli to make things smoother.
I'm Not happy with kind slow rotation like this, i hope wuwa release another support with fast rotation,
I have both, and play Jiyan/Mortefi and Jinshi/Zezhi, I decided to put Shorekeeper on the Jiyan team for now. My rotations aren’t great so I didn’t even have downtime in the Jiyan team just playing how I usually do with Verina, also he has less crit stats. Ended up with 29/30, the missing star is actually Jiyan in the right tower.
I was also wondering, would shorekeeper change what Echo Mainstats Jinshi wants? I know sig weapon pushes her towards an Atk 3-cost, and 44111 is also sometimes brought up, does that become less viable with shorekeeper?
The 44111 would still work but as usual be noticeably weaker by about 5% or so. With Shorekeeper on Jinhsi, the Atk% 3-cost is actually worth a tiny bit more, since it is no longer diluted by Verina’s 20% Atk buff, and of course, we don’t have to worry about SK’s crit buff being diluted, since there are so few sources of crit atm.
Even with her weapon 44111 is significantly worse than 43311 with 2 spectro 3 costs (unless your echos are REALLY bad like less than 1 crit roll per artifact), and yes, with Shorekeeper 44111 will be even worse and for 43311 the 3 costs being 1 spectro 1 atk will be even more relevant since you lose Verina's atk buff
@@clesilver220good to know thanks, do you know if S1 changes that? I always thought it was part of the generic damage buff, so an extra 80% dmg+, but if it's independent then that wouldn't make a difference (I got it kind of on accident)
@@clesilver220 what are you talking about? it is NOT worse in a jinshi team... watch maygi's video on the subject... on jinshi 44111 is actually BETTER than 43311
@@fluffygalaxy6 jinshi is actually better with 44111 you can watch maygi's video on the subject, but yes with shorekeeper and 44111 and her sig weapon and okay rolls you can overcap on crit rate and go beyond 100% which is bad
if your dps have less than 70% crt rat then showerkeeper or whatever her name is better its that simple
BRO, pls look my last video at last seconds (17:33) that was clear 20s rotation on ChangLi (with Shore), and previous (14:52) clean 20s with Verina
u r not right in 24s
Verina’s rotation is easier i feel.
Listen to me rovers ,same concept,use whoever you love.
Verina is a better sustain healer for me. Shorekeeper has better sustain buffs.
This video confuse me.
Shorekeeper ult:
Stage 1: blue color realm (no buff just heals)
Stage 2: purple color realm (+12.5% crit)
Stage 3: gold color realm (+12.5% crit AND +25% crit dmg)
If 12.5% crit is approx. 42% attack
If 25% crit dmg is approx. 42% attack
Then 42% + 42% = 84%
We are looking at Verina's 20% attack buff vs shorekeeper's 84% attack buff.
In the video, u keep mentioning verina's 20% atk vs Shorekeeper's 42% atk buff, but shouldn't you be saying 84% atk buff instead?
Shorekeeper does get both +12.5% crit AND +25% crit dmg buff at the same time, at gold stellar realm.
Am I wrong or am I right?
I need help....
It’s 42% atk total, including both the CR and CD :) 21% each
@@AznvasionsIIthen what is this 1.7 times thing? can u explain a bit more on this? Do u mean 12.5% crit x 1.7 = 21.25%.... like this? More explanation would be appreciated thanks....
No hate against Verina (outside her drip), but I really don't give a fck she is 2s faster, when with Shorekeeper, I can nuke upwards of 400k using Jinhsi without echo god rolls. Same with any other dps I have, that extra 12.5 crit really adds up in the consistency, and I really feel the boost in the nukes with the crit damage. Honestly some of this sounds like cope, how in hell will crit rate and crit damage be diminishing returns when your account grows? Oh you will get characters that have more crit rate later... so you mean with Shorekeeper I could potentially guarantee 100% crit rate then, without sacrificing crit damage, plus boosting it, and that is going to be weaker than Verina? bs
That rotation is too slow. Its basic 3> quickswap > basic 1 >heavy>quickswap. It's 4.3s total not 6.2
Easy. Verina is better for short battles, Shorekeeper is better for longer battles. In short battles you usually cant make the intros to evolve her ulti to the max level so in the open world a lot of times it doesnt reach full power, but in long battles, Shorekeeper is way better. Her buffs are more powerful if you get her full buffs.
Which is kind of stupid because SK has a skill specifically for exploration
I have c1 verina is she better than c0 shorekeeper + her wepon?
Nahh her c1 isnt that good if u hav c2 then its better
@@blizzard_21-h9y ty
Just watch the video bro. Look at 15:55, who is better will depend on the team
@@keepkarlm6771 oh ty
Baizhi is hotter though
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Ayo
@@AznvasionsII got my verina to s2 and recently got shorekeeper to s1, so this guide is really interesting, I'm guessing verina s2 makes her better than shorekeeper most of the time since the rotation becomes almost less than a second
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I don't know about optimal use and all that... but to me, Shopkeeper is much easier to use and heal better. I like the old "press skill > heal" thing.. and her healing field is very reliable. To be clear.. I am a very "uga bunga" type of player.
Verina is incredibly unga bunga though...
Never, she is dead
Codes were fake when your content dropped lil bro
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