I was a good friend of the Amumu player. She sent me the same message that she had demoted to Iron 1 and was done with ranked forever. I'm a long time listener of the podcast and for some reason I think that made me unable to give sympathy in her situation. I responded that she needs to seperate her results from her desire to have fun and improve at the game and that really upset her. I even suggested she can't expect to win a ranked game after taking a month long break from it. The conversation ended in us ending the friendship. It's has had me thinking a lot about the consequences and difficulty of balancing a desire to be compettive at the game, and to understand the issues that more casual players face. I will say that she is surrounded by people who are ranked higher, and advocate for this podcast. I think the end result was a combination of pressure from people watching her progress and a "mortal fear" of iron. She spent nearly the entirety Season 13 in Iron IV and that affected her journey and mental overall. It turned into various Stage IV issues. I wish her the best, regardless.
@@yGKeKeIt ended because her response to what I was saying was "The BBC and its principles are fucking bullshit, and will never help me." I pushed back on that because frankly I owe my life to Curtis and Nathan after discovering them a year and a half ago. I found my self-worth thanks to them.
Hey it's Jeffrey/JUICEcde the Wukong player. Thanks for the shoutout. I felt everything the Amumu guy felt. "I suck, Wukong sucks, I wanna quit, I'm just Bad". What helped a lot was accepting my level of play. "I'm probably just an iron level player right now and that's okay." And also I had a conversation with myself "I'd rather be in Iron than have this be one more thing in my life that I gave up on, there is a solution here even if I just don't see it." I'm currently back to where I started LP wise but as a very different and more confident player. Edit: I actually had the opposite problem yesterday where I got a little complacent after my crazy win streak lol. Back to the basics of looking at my learning objectives. I learned a lot from my crazy loss streaks and win streaks but I'm hoping my future games can be a little bit more stable lol.
Noodle (noodledaddy) here and I absolutely got COOKED here, and rightfully so. Before this episode when I had the original conversation with Curtis, it was real big wakeup call. In the MLS I had been famously stubborn with my choice of champ, when I joined I climbed from Bronze to about S1 with Seraphine and I felt very tired of her. I picked up Hwei and surprisingly enough got to Gold with him. But I only think I could have done this because of my time on Seraphine and I failed to realize this until the conversation with Curtis. As an update, because Seraphine was no longer an approved champion, I am now committed to Lux due to her similarity to Hwei. I'm struggling a bit, and find myself missing Hwei but I know I need to learn the fundamentals of the game through clearer reference points. Sometimes, the hardest path is not the most beneficial. As they say: work smarter, not harder. I'll go back to Hwei when I'm ready. tdlr: If you're like me, sometimes accepting that you are not a god is okay and you gotta drop the ego. Simple champions have plenty of depth even if it doesn't seem like it. Those simple champions can teach you a lot, and if you're below plat you should definitely try them and they will help your game holistically. Hwei or any other harder champ is not going anywhere, and once you've conquered the basics you can return!
Hey man, I climbed to diamond as an ADC after being hard stuck plat/emerald for like 7 years, and it was because I finally stuck to a semi-easy champion with clear reference points for the first time ever. I used Tristana. Her all in potential pretty much only gets played 1 way, she cannot freeze waves at all, and she's pretty clear cut most of the time in what she's going to do. While it can be telling to the enemy, there are still people that fall for it all the time and if you get good at that one thing, it can carry you so long as you're consistent with it. I think I learned faster and grew far more confident using her over Cait, or Vayne, or some other difficult champ botside. It's purely mental stack growth, and playing an easier champ allows more room to focus on what you don't know and absorb each experience more fully. It isn't until you've mastered the champion to where you can do it either. Believe in the process, cuz what they're saying is pretty legit, just hard to explain until you've experienced it yourself.
@@garrettbillington7230 yeah absolutely! i just had to learn this lesson the hard way. if I'm not stubborn i can use the wonderful resources available to me!
It amazes me how just watching random episodes answers so many questions that have been popping up in my journey. Just like that Ekko, I too am a people pleaser, to the point where it actively gets in my way. I play ADC, and I do my best to faithfully follow my support's calls, even if I am 99% sure they won't work. Lately I've been questioning this habit because I have learned that sometimes my supports are just bad, but I feel bad about muting them when they start to complain. But these two are totally right: hit that mute button, stop worrying, and just follow your own calls, because the only thing worse than a bad support feeding the enemy a kill is giving them another one for free.
I wanted to share my experience with my journey going from top to jungle in emerald. I joined Saltu school and was admittedly a little disappointed that there were "approved" champions. I really wanted to play Elise. I decided to give nocturne a shot because I think he has a pretty cool character design and after 25 games, I really fell in love with the champion. I realized how different playing nocturne was in reality than it was in my mind. I was pleasantly surprised with the difficulty of the champion, even though he has clear reference points. Playing a champion sooo different than what I'm used to (Jax/Zac top laner xd) taught me new things about the game. TL;DR: don't underestimated "simple" champions, give them a try first.
I looked at the Saltu approved champion list and I'm wondering why warwick and xin zhao aren't included but champions that I consider similar but slightly harder, briar and trundle, are? I'm not criticizing the decision, I'm genuinely wondering if there's something difficult or gimmicky about ww / xz that would be bad for learning the game. Personally I like the ability to have strong 1v1 so that's why I gravitate towards ww / xz, but I don't like trundle because I get kited easier and teamfighting is weird. Also I'm not dedicated enough to league to want to buy coaching but I like watching BBC & curtis & mott to help me climb through bronze.
in my first season (last year) i played Garen to climb from iron to platinum. At 30 games you might think you know everything and the only problem is learning matchups. Every 30 games i would think to myself "damn i know nothing". at 200k mastery points i thought "okay i finally know the basic theory". i could write a book about the nuances of playing Garen and i'm still missing more than half the picture or i wouldn't be platinum.
Hey I think it would be really fun if you guys did a “guess the elo” segment or something like that where you look at the first 5-10 minutes of a game and try to guess what rank it is. Love the content! Keep it up.
I have reached 1.5millions PTS on Ahri and become top 15 at server as well as I got my diamond rank after not progressing for many years, but your show helped me get the right mindsets
23:40 This point articulates something I've been feeling as I've been trying to learn new skills (drawing, LoL, whatever). With the way that we get information spat at us through youtube or any other algorithm, it's really easy to get overwhelmed with the sheer amount of new information you can learn. It would take an inhuman level of insight for a beginner of anything to intentionally only practice the one new thing they learned. Practice is boring, there isn't really any way around it. And learning about a new concept is really fun. You have to change your mindset in order not to be trapped in an infinite loop of learning too many concepts without actually practicing anything your learning. Having a good coach or a mentor who can save you from yourself is a godsend. If you trust them and trust the process.
38:30 I don’t see the issue, Curtis really good at describing the scene, I always watch on UA-cam but I almost never look at the screen, I like this new segment
I agree with the sentiment about self improvement focus. The wording of many League-related tools and services is all about the "climb" - the implicit and misleading assumption is that the viewers/readers/customers are "better" than their elo. There is usually little emphasis on improvement in their marketing - and more "avoiding bad teammates" or similar factors that are out of the player's control.
On the Ahri clip: I think you might have actually been aiming at the wrong target. The correct move might have been to charm the Miss Fortune when she stops to auto you, leading to maybe killing both botlaners.
21:09 the topic at this time hits me hard. This happened to myself. I love playing Akali but when it comes down to it, I’ve hit gold a few times but climbing back through silver to gold was quite difficult. I’ve played league on and off since season 2. As long as I have a champion I love playing i can keep going but I had to swap to get results due to mechanical mistakes. I started playing Diana more and there were matches that I knew if I played Akali i would be playing on hard mode. The previous split I had hit my goal of achieving Gold again for the first time in a few seasons. The current split I’m gold 4 but I’m a gaming connoisseur and too many amazing games have come out for me to spend time on league. Good luck to everyone else in their journeys.
Regarding the specific example about teaching mids to swap with bots at 23:30, in my own journey it was always what people did and so I just did it without knowing why. But as champion mastery progresses and my mental stack is less overwhelmed and more pieces of the puzzle came together, the reason for swapping became intuitive. I think this is something people need to understand about comments like “there isn’t a point in explaining it now because you won’t get it. It’s important to tell clients that the reason is on (for example) step 9 or 10 in their journey, and they just cant be skipping steps. We need to trust the process sometimes.
People paying for coaching before they play on their own are gonna be a lot more likely to be looking to get instant 6 pack abs. It doesnt suprise me they insta rage quit after losing a 3 block
I got coaching from Perryjg, worth btw. He immediately pointed out that I have sub 20 games per season. However, it was still beneficial to hear what the journey is going to be like and what to expect. I also got a lot out of it. I’d love to see what Coach Curtis has to say if the MLA ever opens up a spot.
One thing that really helps my mental is having two accounts. One account I "peak" on. So for example on one account i got to diamond 4. Now im playing my second account until i get to diamond 3 and then ill go back to the diamond 4 account until its diamond 2. it helps my mental to not take LP losses too seriously because i always have my ego in the other account
I love this myself. Have a second account to play champs i want to learn and the ones that are strong in the current meta with no repercussions on my main account. Sometimes I'll even go through phases of playing a different role. Also nice when I'm going through a rough patch and want to get work in on a champ I'm maining but just not having a good week on.
@65:00 I treat league matches now like a sport, where I really only play blocks of 1 or 2 games but at super high focus. I think it's an age thing as I'm 40 this year and struggle to stay focused for that long with that level of intensity.
I've recently found your content, absolutely love it and always try remember your lessons when playing league. Will be hitting you up for a jungle coaching session soon!
Two things: first, I feel like I have the opposite problem that many MLS or low elo players have - I’m a Swain OTP and I have such a hard time playing other champs. I get anxious, I don’t have fun and I’m constantly thinking how I’m throwing the game not being on my main, even though there are games I KNOW would be much better on a different champ. Getting out of my OTP rut is a struggle. Secondly, so many problems appear due to not having enough games and I realize after this episode that this split I have not been climbing for a big reason simply because I haven’t been putting in the ranked games this split. Thanks for the mental boost guys!
I can understand the demoted to iron guy. Being on the cusp of a rank below you is a mental hurdle that eats at you if you don't realize it for what it is. Bronze 4 to iron 1 is literally 1 LP difference. Dont let the visual rank fool you. You are still within the same elo range that you were in for bronze 4. It took me until this year to deal with that and not care if i demote a visual rank.
To yalls point at the 1:02:00 mark. I feel like I can play 1 high intensity game at a time before I take a break. I can do 2 if the first one was super easy. But overall games in general take a toll on my mental prowess and I Def need a break in between most
Hey Mr. Coach and Mr. Coach! I have a question for you or anyone who reads this :) I know this is super niche and you won't have a definitive answer, but I just wanted someone's thoughts. I have aphantasia which means I don't have a "mind's eye". There's no visual component to my thoughts. Do you think this would affect my ability to jungle track / keep track of my own jungler's position? When I glance at the mini map and see the enemy jungler ganking mid, the moment I stop looking at the mini map the fact that he was mid is still in my memory, but I can't visualize where he is right after the gank, 10 seconds after, 30 seconds after, etc. I know conceptually that he's on the side of the map that he exited mid through, and I can guestimate how long it would take him to reach top or red buff or whatever I think he'll do next. But until I see him on the map again, there's no position of where he probably is in my mind. I've tried to compensate for this by setting a timer in my mind for when I think he'll reach x objective/lane since I can easily keep track of time. I guess my question boils down to: do proficient jungle trackers "see" enemies' potential positions in their mind? Is it a handicap for me since I can't do this? If so, could this have some actionable impact on my gameplay? Thanks for reading if anyone does read this :) Edit: ~1/30 people have aphantasia, so this may be more relevant than you'd think to some viewers
funnily enough it doesn’t matter. just having the idea of “jungles is topside” is enough. other information is vital - did he use sums, is he healthy, is any obj up. generally just “jungle is topside at 5:50” is enough. in my mind that area is dangerous (I visualize it in my mind as a danger ping at everything topside, camps, objs, enemy half of the lane)
It's really hard to conceptually think this through as I'm somewhat unaware of what that would feel or be like. For me as an ADC player who plays afraid of everything, I kind of go purely by feel and time overall. I might go, my jungler has full cleared and they're over in this place on the map, and then I can kind of assume the enemy jungler is in the same place mirrored across the map instead, so I'll adjust to warding a different bush, or hugging a wall due to possible ganks, or something along that line. In terms of champion movement however, perhaps I do imagine their movement speed values and I visualize them moving in a certain direction and aim a skill shot in a bush towards that way. It's some combination of mental visualization as well as movement-to-time calculation at the same time though. I don't understand what it would be like to not do both simultaneously however as my brain functions this way in fractions in a second and has the ability naturally, if that makes sense? The more important one is knowing what COULD happen based off time and knowledge, especially when you have not seen the target at all. I call it trusting my gut. Knowing a gank is likely coming or that a nautilus is sitting over a wall with hexflash or maybe in a bush with a hook. The 2nd part would be like guessing where someone is somewhat visually as well as mentally because you can picture their movement possibly as they travel in the fog of war or into a bush somewhere, and that requires having seen them already and predicting where they are going. I think for a jungler it's more important to know timers and look at current map states and player intentions. I don't really visualize a champ ganking, I kind of just know they're going to gank because of minion wave state or health bars, or level ups to lvl 6 before the enemy laner, etc. I might be able to visualize which direction they're coming from and how I might pre-flash in a certain direction moments before, but I cant even do that if I don't know it's coming first. That's pretty much the only hindrance I would see.
I think it would be interesting if you guys would make an episode focusing on exercise, you both look shredded so I wonder what gym tips you have and how that affects your league journey, I have suffered from wrist injuries myself so I would also like to know what your experience with injuries are!
24:00 ish - You have to adapt to the student. Not everyone learns the same way. Some people can see results just doing the thing because they were told to. Others will get more out of understanding the thing. Using sidelaning as an example, what happens when the mid laner decides to go bot lane without TP 10 seconds before Baron spawn just because you told him he has to side lane lane and let his ADC have mid? There are absolutely situations where the correct play is for the mid laner to just sit in a god damn bush and over top/mid and leave the bottom wave stew for a while, or occasionally to even help shove out mid WITH the ADC. We all know everything in league is situational and IF you have a student who thinks critically enough to work with the REASONING behind switching to bot lane, you're only going to stiffle them with the "Shut up and do it" approach. Hardest part of coaching is figuring out both what your clients actual capabilities are and what they actually need from you as a coach...as well as accepting the fact that some people just don't have the innate capacity to exceed a certain point.
Regarding the "trust me" approach. this is for topics that are common and not important in the interim. I think one thing you could do is list all these topics down as you encounter them and then hold a short seminar with all your students at once to discuss the reasoning. it's good that they are curious WHY lane assignments shake out the way they do. fostering and feeding that curiosity is good for the mental health of their journey to keep them curious. this way you don't tax each session with common topics but you can explain them in a class setting for everyone at once. bit if both worlds "just trust me on this and if you really want to understand attend the class on x date"
I fully subscribe to this suggestion of not letting the details get in the way of understanding the topic at hand in the first place. Imho, this is a must when you are teaching something: you can get into the details once the foundations are established, and can make connections between topics so they stick more. Moreover, a few rules of thumb are good to avoid massive blunders during lull states, so you can get quick, visible results (and thus keep motivation high until you need to get into the details). On the other hand, people going "full LS mode" kept me interested in the game, I don't really enjoy being spoonfed techniques if I don't understand how they work at all or the big picture behind them (be it in League, chess, math, music or language learning, I can learn a rule or execute a set of instructions, but if I don't understand it, I might apply it ill-advisedly, or not even remember it a few weeks in...), so it really sounds like best of both worlds. (sorry for my grammar, I'll keep trying)
When talking about the "New Coaching Technique" I feel like this is in line with the coaching philosophy described in 'The Inner Game of Tennis', you guys have reviewed that, no? I first ran into this coaching technique in the Valorant community where some coaches found this extremely helpful in guiding players through feeling rather than explanation. Of course there is difference in League macro concepts and lane assignments and, say, aiming in FPS or hitting a perfect stroke in Tennis, but I can definetely see the parallels. It helps the player to connect with the game on a more immediate level than mediated through logic and excplanation.
There is a huge difference between the inability to explain muscle memory into someone's body, and just assuming that a student cant understand lane assignment, so refusing to explain it to them.
@@gman1515 Sure, agreed. But there is somethig to be said about trying concepts and it needing to click with it physically for you to actually understand it. You can usually explain two alternative macro concepts in the same moment in a way that makes sense logically even if one of them is in the end correct and the other wrong - and you actually have to try it out to see the effect it has on your gameplay. And this is usually the thing that makes a difference in improvement where you can make up different contradicting hypotheses (either with logic or by being told what to do) and then being able to try them out and feel the difference it has on your gameplay.
@@AsirIset you can't "try out" a macro concept without some level of understanding. If the enemy doesn't do the response that you expect, but you just blindly play out the idea without knowing why it should have worked, then you end up losing. Split pushing to make room for specific objectives is a good idea. If the enemy takes the objective in a 5v4 because you didn't have tp, and you didn't even have time to get any real gold advantage before they collapse on you then you've failed the macro despite doing what you were told. Macro is entirely about understanding why a concept works and knowing when/how to apply it.
@@gman1515 Well that's not really true, is it. Say, you are in a coaching session with Curtis and he says "okay after the first bot turret goes down you need to swap lane assignments and start side laning, just try it out". And then you start to "magically" see things happen after trying it out, say 5-10 times. You can feel the difference: your bot destroys mid turret in a couple of waves opening the map, your support Nautilus goes to dive top lane with jungler and your team gets 4v3 rift fight where your Jinx gets a triple kill. You get fed from the side lane farm, not sharing exp and gold, and getting some camps and finally getting solo T2 gold. You don't need to necessarily have a full understanding of these effects but you feel it. Then maybe you play a game after where bot refuses to swap with you and you stay mid and you notice that the map does not open up in the same way, you cant kill mid turret, your bot gets cross mapped while you go take rift since their turret is down, their support is stuck laning to protect the adc etc etc. Here you learn only by trusting your feelings and making a well informed principle only after, having now seen the effect of the macro play you were told to perform. And I'm not saying this is necessarily simple to do.
@@AsirIset if you are in low elo, there is a good chance you will go quite a few games without bot being willing to switch, or they just won't actually take advantage of mid properly, or you won't do well in the side lane (because the enemy bot lane stayed) and negativity bias is going to ruin the "feeling" of that unexplained lane assignment.
This episode shows sooo much that people have completely unrealistic expectations regarding ranks. Would love to see an episode where you focus on the percentage playerbase on the elos and how hard it is to even get silver nowadays as a new player!
5:57 : Low elo players often expect to have quick results, problem is it's low elo so games are much more chaotics as people mostly don't know what they do. People who have tried enought have pushed through the hard times. If you are low elo it's can because you don't have enough love for the game and your expectations are way to high, or maybe you do'nt have enough time to invest. You will lose games where you played almost perfectly and you will win games that you inted from start to finish. Low elo players often play fewer games and put more inphases into their outcome My compasion for low elos is sometimes to just be hard on them; yes league is hard and if you can't stomp games in silver to low diam you probably have no special talents and need to work hard. Unless you can smurf you way to master you probably have a shit load of work to do on yourself before you focus on wins and losses that much. If you don't enjoy the journey, you will neither clinb nor get better, league if a beautifull game and you cannot cheat the game :D and that's why we love this game so much because our hard work efforts and thinking over time shows the results of earned succes.
I like the comment Curtis has about Champ pool cycling. I've been playing a lot of Lillia, and I really like the champion, but I feel like I'm getting a bit lost in the sauce at this point, having played her for 135 games in SoloQ already this season. I think playing a different champion would make the game feel a bit more fresh and fun, and then when I get to play Lillia again I can do so with a fresh mindset and with clarity about the fundamentals
52:00 This isn't an issue about "league educational content being everywhere and players getting better" no. It's an issue with the game where your skill matters less as the time goes on. If youre a challenger player in top lane smurfing in masters, the odds of you losing (the lane, losing game as top laner isn't that rare lol) depend on what your opponent plays. Simple counterpicks or abusing certain champs/items goes a long way. :)
How do you keep yourself from getting bored on ur champ? I find myself needing to play something new every 20 ish games, regardless of win rate. I had a great win rate on Ezreal 3 yrs ago, around 73% over 112 games, but I haven’t played him since, too boring now. Idk how to stop the need to play something new every week, makes it real hard to get past plat 1/emerald 4 range
Re: challenger smurf struggles - When pekinwoof started his off role climb last year he had a negative winrate in gold/plat elo for a while before he eventually climbed to challenger on that account.
it’s a signal in the game that lets you know what you should be doing - on the class of champion you play. can be micro or macro dragon coming up in 1 minute? support should be pathing to ward. orianna should save her ult for the skirmish. team fight? malzahar should R the strongest enemy. those are reference points. basically knowing what your champion should do at any moment. this is why some champs have easy decisions macro and micro wise (malz) some have hard macro reference points (TF) some have hard Micro ref points (hwei, riven) and some have hard both. (nidalee, yasuo)
I'm a 7 year iron/bronze player. I was thinking of swapping roles and trying a ranked climb. I'm not confused about why my rank is what it is. Embrace your iron/bronze, you have work ahead of you but it's not hard, it's fun! People pay good money for smurf accounts, something you have loaded with skins already! 😂 and when you start getting good you'll go 10 and 0 smashing folks. DON'T BE AFRAID OF BEING IRON/BRONZE, EMBRACE IT!
I think a lot of players are stuck in the "It's so over" state of mind. They need to shift into thinking "we're so back". Even if things aren't unrecoverable they are stuck thinking "it's so over" so they just end up in despair anyway. You have to think "we're so back", it's the only way you can get anywhere. A lot of this is fueled by the "go next" mentality where one minor setback makes players give up.
Oh man, I'm at that Ekko clip and it could go so much more differently with a slightly different W placement and spamming back off from Ekko. They had technically won the pressure trade once Azir fled the scene but Naut forced the issue hard.
I’m surprised there is not a BBC episode on autofilling. I tried to find an episode on it because it has been my biggest issue in Ranked. I no longer play PC but am on WR and got hardstuck Master on 50 percent WR overall despite having 60 percent win rate as a jungler. If I had no autofill games I would be challenger already doing the math on all my matches but I get autofilled about 30 percent of my games and have not gone well in them. I think autofilling is a lot more prevalent in WR than PC because of the smaller ranked player base in the west.
The ekko VS Azir clip, with the people pleaser ekko. He could’ve done a few micro things better, think longer about his w and aim it somewhere useful, check your R cooldown before going in. He has 3 seconds left on R when dying.
Hey guys, been having trouble in ranked mentally and I don't want to take the game as seriously right now. Can I still learn and improve my game in quickplay, or am I basically just practicing muscle memory? On the other hand, should I just continue to play ranked and try, but not give as much mental weight to the result? Just want some perspective, thanks. :D
22:56 this segment 23:30 Curtis says he wants to help them by simplifying it, then why not just simplify it? "mids go side lane and swap with bot because bot is safer mid" this way you at least gave them an explanation (a simplified one) while not just straight up going " I'm not gonna tell you, just do it" cause like with my scenario you DID at least explain it, whether they want to accept it or not, and if they want to dive deeper you can just say no like my sentence I wrote takes like 8 seconds to say out loud, not even. you could also add in "having more members mid like bot and supp is just better because they're closest to both top and bottom can rotate and now you have easier number advantage" and boom that's it. curtis is talking like he spends minutes or hours explaining it, but if he wants a 15 second short way he could just ACTUALLY simplify it, rather than simplifying it by omitting the reason. but maybe curtis considers the 15 seconds too long or hasn't thought of a simple way to explain it idk thoughts? I'd love a reply by curtis himself XD
Man I’m waiting to enter the midacademy just to see if it’s really gonna help me climb, I feel like I am following all of your advice and I’m still hard stuck emerald 2…
Is there a way to send you guys a msg without being in a programm or something? Would love to heir your opinion about my situation especially with amateur level competitive gameplay being half of my focus / other one is solo q. Especially with champ mastery conflicts and some other conflicts
When you made that Mandarin comment, haha. I am learning Mandarin myself since 2 weeks ago or so slowly ramping up the amount of time I put in, and yeah, if you only studied 1 day a week you'll get almost nowhere tbh. xD
As someone who’s peak is silver 2 and who’s average rank has been bronze 2 over the last 10 years. I feel this person, I don’t think I’m ever getting good at league in this lifetime. I just feel too stupid.
scared of what? demoting? that's normal, everyone demotes sometimes. stop expecting to always go up in rank. that is what is poisoning your mind. once you let go of that, the fear of demoting gets let go as well. if you want to get a high rank you need to play ranked to improve. improve and the rank will follow after some time. imagine you were afraid to play in gold for fear of getting silver? then you would have never peaked platinum. don't rob yourself of emerald in that same way.
The discussion about not wanting to explain the “why” feels a bit counterintuitive for cultivating a curious approach and getting into the details. At the same time it’s very easy to get distracted by aspects that are unimportant and lose focus of the gameplay fundamentals.
im currently on a sabbatical from league, havent played since January after leaving the MLS for personal reasons But i think people in low rank care far more about rank than higher elo players is because low ranks constantly get memed on in the league sphere, definetly if youre new and milling about iron/bronze and trying your best and all you see in the league community is 'lol youre iron? Have you tried turning your monitor on' it can get very draining to be told that climbing out of bronze/iron is 'easy' and anyone can do it with a few games of ranked, while youre struggling to the point it builds a complex of 'I MUST CLIMB OUT NOW' because you almost feel like youre viewed as an incompetent idiot until you do
the reason people wanna play more difficult champs is cuz it makes them feel smarter climbing playing a simple champ to climb makes people feel like there stupider on their climb cuz they might know they are smart irl or with other games other than league they usually play on hard mode or hardcore mode in other games so think they can in league, in my opinion
both times i recieved massive increases in LP s4-g1 p3-e4 was when i was spamming games. never in my 10 years of the game did i get there with a 3 block a day lol. those guys gotta play damn near perfect to climb on low games, needs a much higher winrate to do so. you need more than 25 lp a day to climb fast, and thats assuming 3 games/day on a 67& winrate. i dont think ive ever hit a winrate that high in higher games played, but playing more games seems to be the only way to climb, not being good. being good without the 100 games to let rito know, just doesn't seem to work. you just would get tilted doing that, and having a god complex. if you are really good, spam it down with intention, you get YOUR rank YOU belong in. I feel most people just want to feel they belong in their rank.
How come your OPGGs have only played like 30 games between the both of you, on your main accounts? You dont have time to play yourself because you are full-time coaching? Game changes and you have to feel it yourself to provide the best for your clients? Love the pod
I am an ADC main and I play Xayah. I am hard stuck silver 4 and playing Xayah feels like I’m ego lifting but I can’t bring myself to play anything else. I think it’s time to be honest with myself and come back to Xayah later
Man, I keep dumping my LP after 2am on the weekend when the draft queue closes. Stop being anxious. The only difference between norms and ranked is that your LP is visible and in ranked, it's actually easier because you don't get dunked by 5-man premades.
24:00 this whole section is hilarious to listen to about just telling people to do the right thing and not explaining it all. It's fun to watch secular people figure out biblical structures and why they work slowly. You show them and tell them to copy. Overloading them with the why ends up being useless.
Personally, I feel like after 9 p.m., I get the best games. The majority of players during that time are trying their hardest to win and arnt making as many mistakes. I'm climbing silver rank
ngl kinda funny that Curtis was like "okay loser here's how you throw challenger charms" and then showed 2 clips where he missed I get the point, but it's still funny
The part where you say "play selfishly" and "don't be a people pleaser". What I like to do is use what I call the "my bad" method. Every time you do what you want to do and someone gets mad over it, just type "MB" and enter it in chat, even if you don't even mean it. Usually that's enough that they'll write it off as some mistake you made, and they'll say nothing else, and just move on. It's extremely stupid but it keeps your teammates from tilting and rage typing even while you may be playing properly. Easy bandaid fix to dealing with players.
@@tristan6773 it can be since i play to learn top since September I think. But the lp gains since 2 weeks seems not correct. I was the whole early season higher than b4 0 lp and suddenly got -30 lp + 20 lp in b3 b4 i1 i2 anf now iron 3. Means 50 % win rate over 20 games i lose 100 lp. but i was never longer than 10 days in iron in the last 4 years.
Season 1 normals player. Starting to take ranked seriously after coming across your podcast this season. Check out my op gg. Previously SpeedHunter#NA0. I changed my name recently so it should be Mr Jax Off#NA0.
Please tell me you guys have dropped the "new coaching technique" Its a technique used by lazy parents and teachers who see their kids/students as incapable. If you cant acknowledge the students curiosity and break it down to a level they can understand, thats a failing on you as a teacher, and the student shouldn't be made to feel stupid for that. "Dont bother asking why, just do what I tell you" is the most dehumanizing and demoralizing way to be taught something.
I was a good friend of the Amumu player. She sent me the same message that she had demoted to Iron 1 and was done with ranked forever. I'm a long time listener of the podcast and for some reason I think that made me unable to give sympathy in her situation. I responded that she needs to seperate her results from her desire to have fun and improve at the game and that really upset her. I even suggested she can't expect to win a ranked game after taking a month long break from it. The conversation ended in us ending the friendship. It's has had me thinking a lot about the consequences and difficulty of balancing a desire to be compettive at the game, and to understand the issues that more casual players face. I will say that she is surrounded by people who are ranked higher, and advocate for this podcast. I think the end result was a combination of pressure from people watching her progress and a "mortal fear" of iron. She spent nearly the entirety Season 13 in Iron IV and that affected her journey and mental overall. It turned into various Stage IV issues. I wish her the best, regardless.
Good on her for leaving a bad game with rigged matchmaking.
Was never a friendship if it ended because she doesn't want to play ranked anymore.
@@yGKeKeIt ended because her response to what I was saying was "The BBC and its principles are fucking bullshit, and will never help me." I pushed back on that because frankly I owe my life to Curtis and Nathan after discovering them a year and a half ago. I found my self-worth thanks to them.
The rare and insurmountable Stage Five issue that will prevent you from escaping Iron: being a woman.
@@Evan-fh2zg you're the reason social media needs to be banned for kids
Hey it's Jeffrey/JUICEcde the Wukong player. Thanks for the shoutout. I felt everything the Amumu guy felt. "I suck, Wukong sucks, I wanna quit, I'm just Bad". What helped a lot was accepting my level of play. "I'm probably just an iron level player right now and that's okay." And also I had a conversation with myself "I'd rather be in Iron than have this be one more thing in my life that I gave up on, there is a solution here even if I just don't see it." I'm currently back to where I started LP wise but as a very different and more confident player. Edit: I actually had the opposite problem yesterday where I got a little complacent after my crazy win streak lol. Back to the basics of looking at my learning objectives. I learned a lot from my crazy loss streaks and win streaks but I'm hoping my future games can be a little bit more stable lol.
Love it
Noodle (noodledaddy) here and I absolutely got COOKED here, and rightfully so. Before this episode when I had the original conversation with Curtis, it was real big wakeup call. In the MLS I had been famously stubborn with my choice of champ, when I joined I climbed from Bronze to about S1 with Seraphine and I felt very tired of her. I picked up Hwei and surprisingly enough got to Gold with him. But I only think I could have done this because of my time on Seraphine and I failed to realize this until the conversation with Curtis.
As an update, because Seraphine was no longer an approved champion, I am now committed to Lux due to her similarity to Hwei. I'm struggling a bit, and find myself missing Hwei but I know I need to learn the fundamentals of the game through clearer reference points. Sometimes, the hardest path is not the most beneficial. As they say: work smarter, not harder. I'll go back to Hwei when I'm ready.
tdlr: If you're like me, sometimes accepting that you are not a god is okay and you gotta drop the ego. Simple champions have plenty of depth even if it doesn't seem like it. Those simple champions can teach you a lot, and if you're below plat you should definitely try them and they will help your game holistically. Hwei or any other harder champ is not going anywhere, and once you've conquered the basics you can return!
Hey man, I climbed to diamond as an ADC after being hard stuck plat/emerald for like 7 years, and it was because I finally stuck to a semi-easy champion with clear reference points for the first time ever. I used Tristana. Her all in potential pretty much only gets played 1 way, she cannot freeze waves at all, and she's pretty clear cut most of the time in what she's going to do. While it can be telling to the enemy, there are still people that fall for it all the time and if you get good at that one thing, it can carry you so long as you're consistent with it. I think I learned faster and grew far more confident using her over Cait, or Vayne, or some other difficult champ botside. It's purely mental stack growth, and playing an easier champ allows more room to focus on what you don't know and absorb each experience more fully. It isn't until you've mastered the champion to where you can do it either. Believe in the process, cuz what they're saying is pretty legit, just hard to explain until you've experienced it yourself.
@@garrettbillington7230 yeah absolutely! i just had to learn this lesson the hard way. if I'm not stubborn i can use the wonderful resources available to me!
Love it
Lux is freelo and so simple u can get plat or emerald with lux if u got gold with hwei
i think i'drather k myself than play lux but consequences of being a mage player i guess
It amazes me how just watching random episodes answers so many questions that have been popping up in my journey. Just like that Ekko, I too am a people pleaser, to the point where it actively gets in my way. I play ADC, and I do my best to faithfully follow my support's calls, even if I am 99% sure they won't work. Lately I've been questioning this habit because I have learned that sometimes my supports are just bad, but I feel bad about muting them when they start to complain. But these two are totally right: hit that mute button, stop worrying, and just follow your own calls, because the only thing worse than a bad support feeding the enemy a kill is giving them another one for free.
I wanted to share my experience with my journey going from top to jungle in emerald. I joined Saltu school and was admittedly a little disappointed that there were "approved" champions. I really wanted to play Elise. I decided to give nocturne a shot because I think he has a pretty cool character design and after 25 games, I really fell in love with the champion. I realized how different playing nocturne was in reality than it was in my mind. I was pleasantly surprised with the difficulty of the champion, even though he has clear reference points. Playing a champion sooo different than what I'm used to (Jax/Zac top laner xd) taught me new things about the game.
TL;DR: don't underestimated "simple" champions, give them a try first.
Same, I was an Ekko player before Saltu and I'm having an absolute blast on Wukong.
I looked at the Saltu approved champion list and I'm wondering why warwick and xin zhao aren't included but champions that I consider similar but slightly harder, briar and trundle, are? I'm not criticizing the decision, I'm genuinely wondering if there's something difficult or gimmicky about ww / xz that would be bad for learning the game. Personally I like the ability to have strong 1v1 so that's why I gravitate towards ww / xz, but I don't like trundle because I get kited easier and teamfighting is weird. Also I'm not dedicated enough to league to want to buy coaching but I like watching BBC & curtis & mott to help me climb through bronze.
in my first season (last year) i played Garen to climb from iron to platinum. At 30 games you might think you know everything and the only problem is learning matchups. Every 30 games i would think to myself "damn i know nothing". at 200k mastery points i thought "okay i finally know the basic theory". i could write a book about the nuances of playing Garen and i'm still missing more than half the picture or i wouldn't be platinum.
Hey I think it would be really fun if you guys did a “guess the elo” segment or something like that where you look at the first 5-10 minutes of a game and try to guess what rank it is. Love the content! Keep it up.
High elo vs low elo segment is pretty dope
I have reached 1.5millions PTS on Ahri and become top 15 at server as well as I got my diamond rank after not progressing for many years, but your show helped me get the right mindsets
23:40 This point articulates something I've been feeling as I've been trying to learn new skills (drawing, LoL, whatever). With the way that we get information spat at us through youtube or any other algorithm, it's really easy to get overwhelmed with the sheer amount of new information you can learn. It would take an inhuman level of insight for a beginner of anything to intentionally only practice the one new thing they learned. Practice is boring, there isn't really any way around it. And learning about a new concept is really fun. You have to change your mindset in order not to be trapped in an infinite loop of learning too many concepts without actually practicing anything your learning. Having a good coach or a mentor who can save you from yourself is a godsend. If you trust them and trust the process.
my body is ready
38:30 I don’t see the issue, Curtis really good at describing the scene, I always watch on UA-cam but I almost never look at the screen, I like this new segment
ngl this podcast always takes be out of my biggest mindset plateaus and tilts. Keep up the good work lads!!
I agree with the sentiment about self improvement focus. The wording of many League-related tools and services is all about the "climb" - the implicit and misleading assumption is that the viewers/readers/customers are "better" than their elo. There is usually little emphasis on improvement in their marketing - and more "avoiding bad teammates" or similar factors that are out of the player's control.
On the Ahri clip: I think you might have actually been aiming at the wrong target. The correct move might have been to charm the Miss Fortune when she stops to auto you, leading to maybe killing both botlaners.
21:09 the topic at this time hits me hard. This happened to myself. I love playing Akali but when it comes down to it, I’ve hit gold a few times but climbing back through silver to gold was quite difficult. I’ve played league on and off since season 2. As long as I have a champion I love playing i can keep going but I had to swap to get results due to mechanical mistakes.
I started playing Diana more and there were matches that I knew if I played Akali i would be playing on hard mode. The previous split I had hit my goal of achieving Gold again for the first time in a few seasons. The current split I’m gold 4 but I’m a gaming connoisseur and too many amazing games have come out for me to spend time on league.
Good luck to everyone else in their journeys.
Regarding the specific example about teaching mids to swap with bots at 23:30, in my own journey it was always what people did and so I just did it without knowing why. But as champion mastery progresses and my mental stack is less overwhelmed and more pieces of the puzzle came together, the reason for swapping became intuitive. I think this is something people need to understand about comments like “there isn’t a point in explaining it now because you won’t get it. It’s important to tell clients that the reason is on (for example) step 9 or 10 in their journey, and they just cant be skipping steps. We need to trust the process sometimes.
People paying for coaching before they play on their own are gonna be a lot more likely to be looking to get instant 6 pack abs. It doesnt suprise me they insta rage quit after losing a 3 block
I got coaching from Perryjg, worth btw. He immediately pointed out that I have sub 20 games per season. However, it was still beneficial to hear what the journey is going to be like and what to expect. I also got a lot out of it. I’d love to see what Coach Curtis has to say if the MLA ever opens up a spot.
One thing that really helps my mental is having two accounts. One account I "peak" on. So for example on one account i got to diamond 4. Now im playing my second account until i get to diamond 3 and then ill go back to the diamond 4 account until its diamond 2. it helps my mental to not take LP losses too seriously because i always have my ego in the other account
I love this myself. Have a second account to play champs i want to learn and the ones that are strong in the current meta with no repercussions on my main account. Sometimes I'll even go through phases of playing a different role. Also nice when I'm going through a rough patch and want to get work in on a champ I'm maining but just not having a good week on.
@65:00 I treat league matches now like a sport, where I really only play blocks of 1 or 2 games but at super high focus. I think it's an age thing as I'm 40 this year and struggle to stay focused for that long with that level of intensity.
I've recently found your content, absolutely love it and always try remember your lessons when playing league. Will be hitting you up for a jungle coaching session soon!
Two things: first, I feel like I have the opposite problem that many MLS or low elo players have - I’m a Swain OTP and I have such a hard time playing other champs. I get anxious, I don’t have fun and I’m constantly thinking how I’m throwing the game not being on my main, even though there are games I KNOW would be much better on a different champ. Getting out of my OTP rut is a struggle.
Secondly, so many problems appear due to not having enough games and I realize after this episode that this split I have not been climbing for a big reason simply because I haven’t been putting in the ranked games this split.
Thanks for the mental boost guys!
I havnt been this excited for an episode in a while
I can understand the demoted to iron guy. Being on the cusp of a rank below you is a mental hurdle that eats at you if you don't realize it for what it is. Bronze 4 to iron 1 is literally 1 LP difference. Dont let the visual rank fool you. You are still within the same elo range that you were in for bronze 4. It took me until this year to deal with that and not care if i demote a visual rank.
This is especially true since promos were removed
To yalls point at the 1:02:00 mark. I feel like I can play 1 high intensity game at a time before I take a break. I can do 2 if the first one was super easy. But overall games in general take a toll on my mental prowess and I Def need a break in between most
Hey Mr. Coach and Mr. Coach! I have a question for you or anyone who reads this :) I know this is super niche and you won't have a definitive answer, but I just wanted someone's thoughts.
I have aphantasia which means I don't have a "mind's eye". There's no visual component to my thoughts. Do you think this would affect my ability to jungle track / keep track of my own jungler's position? When I glance at the mini map and see the enemy jungler ganking mid, the moment I stop looking at the mini map the fact that he was mid is still in my memory, but I can't visualize where he is right after the gank, 10 seconds after, 30 seconds after, etc. I know conceptually that he's on the side of the map that he exited mid through, and I can guestimate how long it would take him to reach top or red buff or whatever I think he'll do next. But until I see him on the map again, there's no position of where he probably is in my mind.
I've tried to compensate for this by setting a timer in my mind for when I think he'll reach x objective/lane since I can easily keep track of time.
I guess my question boils down to: do proficient jungle trackers "see" enemies' potential positions in their mind? Is it a handicap for me since I can't do this? If so, could this have some actionable impact on my gameplay?
Thanks for reading if anyone does read this :)
Edit: ~1/30 people have aphantasia, so this may be more relevant than you'd think to some viewers
funnily enough it doesn’t matter. just having the idea of “jungles is topside” is enough.
other information is vital - did he use sums, is he healthy, is any obj up.
generally just “jungle is topside at 5:50” is enough. in my mind that area is dangerous (I visualize it in my mind as a danger ping at everything topside, camps, objs, enemy half of the lane)
It's really hard to conceptually think this through as I'm somewhat unaware of what that would feel or be like. For me as an ADC player who plays afraid of everything, I kind of go purely by feel and time overall. I might go, my jungler has full cleared and they're over in this place on the map, and then I can kind of assume the enemy jungler is in the same place mirrored across the map instead, so I'll adjust to warding a different bush, or hugging a wall due to possible ganks, or something along that line. In terms of champion movement however, perhaps I do imagine their movement speed values and I visualize them moving in a certain direction and aim a skill shot in a bush towards that way. It's some combination of mental visualization as well as movement-to-time calculation at the same time though. I don't understand what it would be like to not do both simultaneously however as my brain functions this way in fractions in a second and has the ability naturally, if that makes sense?
The more important one is knowing what COULD happen based off time and knowledge, especially when you have not seen the target at all. I call it trusting my gut. Knowing a gank is likely coming or that a nautilus is sitting over a wall with hexflash or maybe in a bush with a hook. The 2nd part would be like guessing where someone is somewhat visually as well as mentally because you can picture their movement possibly as they travel in the fog of war or into a bush somewhere, and that requires having seen them already and predicting where they are going.
I think for a jungler it's more important to know timers and look at current map states and player intentions. I don't really visualize a champ ganking, I kind of just know they're going to gank because of minion wave state or health bars, or level ups to lvl 6 before the enemy laner, etc. I might be able to visualize which direction they're coming from and how I might pre-flash in a certain direction moments before, but I cant even do that if I don't know it's coming first. That's pretty much the only hindrance I would see.
I have the same thing myself, as a top laner what I do is ill just think jg should be top around this time, atlhough I wont see it myself
I think it would be interesting if you guys would make an episode focusing on exercise, you both look shredded so I wonder what gym tips you have and how that affects your league journey, I have suffered from wrist injuries myself so I would also like to know what your experience with injuries are!
I only listen to the podcast and you guys paint the picture well so the clips are a great segment
The hardest part is the lumpy distribution of games it’s hard to look at the bigger picture like over 100 games haha
24:00 ish - You have to adapt to the student. Not everyone learns the same way. Some people can see results just doing the thing because they were told to. Others will get more out of understanding the thing. Using sidelaning as an example, what happens when the mid laner decides to go bot lane without TP 10 seconds before Baron spawn just because you told him he has to side lane lane and let his ADC have mid? There are absolutely situations where the correct play is for the mid laner to just sit in a god damn bush and over top/mid and leave the bottom wave stew for a while, or occasionally to even help shove out mid WITH the ADC. We all know everything in league is situational and IF you have a student who thinks critically enough to work with the REASONING behind switching to bot lane, you're only going to stiffle them with the "Shut up and do it" approach.
Hardest part of coaching is figuring out both what your clients actual capabilities are and what they actually need from you as a coach...as well as accepting the fact that some people just don't have the innate capacity to exceed a certain point.
Regarding the "trust me" approach. this is for topics that are common and not important in the interim. I think one thing you could do is list all these topics down as you encounter them and then hold a short seminar with all your students at once to discuss the reasoning.
it's good that they are curious WHY lane assignments shake out the way they do. fostering and feeding that curiosity is good for the mental health of their journey to keep them curious.
this way you don't tax each session with common topics but you can explain them in a class setting for everyone at once. bit if both worlds
"just trust me on this and if you really want to understand attend the class on x date"
or just have a shortish video talking about those very specific topics
I fully subscribe to this suggestion of not letting the details get in the way of understanding the topic at hand in the first place. Imho, this is a must when you are teaching something: you can get into the details once the foundations are established, and can make connections between topics so they stick more. Moreover, a few rules of thumb are good to avoid massive blunders during lull states, so you can get quick, visible results (and thus keep motivation high until you need to get into the details).
On the other hand, people going "full LS mode" kept me interested in the game, I don't really enjoy being spoonfed techniques if I don't understand how they work at all or the big picture behind them (be it in League, chess, math, music or language learning, I can learn a rule or execute a set of instructions, but if I don't understand it, I might apply it ill-advisedly, or not even remember it a few weeks in...), so it really sounds like best of both worlds.
(sorry for my grammar, I'll keep trying)
56:23 I got to the point where i danger ping 6x and visibly walk away that way EVERYONE on my team KNOWS for a fact that I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT
When talking about the "New Coaching Technique" I feel like this is in line with the coaching philosophy described in 'The Inner Game of Tennis', you guys have reviewed that, no? I first ran into this coaching technique in the Valorant community where some coaches found this extremely helpful in guiding players through feeling rather than explanation. Of course there is difference in League macro concepts and lane assignments and, say, aiming in FPS or hitting a perfect stroke in Tennis, but I can definetely see the parallels. It helps the player to connect with the game on a more immediate level than mediated through logic and excplanation.
There is a huge difference between the inability to explain muscle memory into someone's body, and just assuming that a student cant understand lane assignment, so refusing to explain it to them.
@@gman1515 Sure, agreed. But there is somethig to be said about trying concepts and it needing to click with it physically for you to actually understand it.
You can usually explain two alternative macro concepts in the same moment in a way that makes sense logically even if one of them is in the end correct and the other wrong - and you actually have to try it out to see the effect it has on your gameplay.
And this is usually the thing that makes a difference in improvement where you can make up different contradicting hypotheses (either with logic or by being told what to do) and then being able to try them out and feel the difference it has on your gameplay.
@@AsirIset you can't "try out" a macro concept without some level of understanding. If the enemy doesn't do the response that you expect, but you just blindly play out the idea without knowing why it should have worked, then you end up losing.
Split pushing to make room for specific objectives is a good idea. If the enemy takes the objective in a 5v4 because you didn't have tp, and you didn't even have time to get any real gold advantage before they collapse on you then you've failed the macro despite doing what you were told.
Macro is entirely about understanding why a concept works and knowing when/how to apply it.
@@gman1515 Well that's not really true, is it. Say, you are in a coaching session with Curtis and he says "okay after the first bot turret goes down you need to swap lane assignments and start side laning, just try it out". And then you start to "magically" see things happen after trying it out, say 5-10 times. You can feel the difference: your bot destroys mid turret in a couple of waves opening the map, your support Nautilus goes to dive top lane with jungler and your team gets 4v3 rift fight where your Jinx gets a triple kill. You get fed from the side lane farm, not sharing exp and gold, and getting some camps and finally getting solo T2 gold. You don't need to necessarily have a full understanding of these effects but you feel it. Then maybe you play a game after where bot refuses to swap with you and you stay mid and you notice that the map does not open up in the same way, you cant kill mid turret, your bot gets cross mapped while you go take rift since their turret is down, their support is stuck laning to protect the adc etc etc. Here you learn only by trusting your feelings and making a well informed principle only after, having now seen the effect of the macro play you were told to perform. And I'm not saying this is necessarily simple to do.
@@AsirIset if you are in low elo, there is a good chance you will go quite a few games without bot being willing to switch, or they just won't actually take advantage of mid properly, or you won't do well in the side lane (because the enemy bot lane stayed) and negativity bias is going to ruin the "feeling" of that unexplained lane assignment.
Nathan’s intro gives me life
This episode shows sooo much that people have completely unrealistic expectations regarding ranks. Would love to see an episode where you focus on the percentage playerbase on the elos and how hard it is to even get silver nowadays as a new player!
5:57 : Low elo players often expect to have quick results, problem is it's low elo so games are much more chaotics as people mostly don't know what they do.
People who have tried enought have pushed through the hard times. If you are low elo it's can because you don't have enough love for the game and your expectations are way to high, or maybe you do'nt have enough time to invest.
You will lose games where you played almost perfectly and you will win games that you inted from start to finish. Low elo players often play fewer games and put more inphases into their outcome
My compasion for low elos is sometimes to just be hard on them; yes league is hard and if you can't stomp games in silver to low diam you probably have no special talents and need to work hard.
Unless you can smurf you way to master you probably have a shit load of work to do on yourself before you focus on wins and losses that much.
If you don't enjoy the journey, you will neither clinb nor get better, league if a beautifull game and you cannot cheat the game :D and that's why we love this game so much because our hard work efforts and thinking over time shows the results of earned succes.
I like the comment Curtis has about Champ pool cycling. I've been playing a lot of Lillia, and I really like the champion, but I feel like I'm getting a bit lost in the sauce at this point, having played her for 135 games in SoloQ already this season. I think playing a different champion would make the game feel a bit more fresh and fun, and then when I get to play Lillia again I can do so with a fresh mindset and with clarity about the fundamentals
I think you guys should have the video intensive segments at the end, it makes it easier for spotify listeners, since you don't have timestamps there
52:00 This isn't an issue about "league educational content being everywhere and players getting better" no. It's an issue with the game where your skill matters less as the time goes on. If youre a challenger player in top lane smurfing in masters, the odds of you losing (the lane, losing game as top laner isn't that rare lol) depend on what your opponent plays. Simple counterpicks or abusing certain champs/items goes a long way. :)
How do you keep yourself from getting bored on ur champ? I find myself needing to play something new every 20 ish games, regardless of win rate. I had a great win rate on Ezreal 3 yrs ago, around 73% over 112 games, but I haven’t played him since, too boring now. Idk how to stop the need to play something new every week, makes it real hard to get past plat 1/emerald 4 range
Re: challenger smurf struggles - When pekinwoof started his off role climb last year he had a negative winrate in gold/plat elo for a while before he eventually climbed to challenger on that account.
can someone explain what curtis means what he talks about reference points
it’s a signal in the game that lets you know what you should be doing - on the class of champion you play. can be micro or macro
dragon coming up in 1 minute?
support should be pathing to ward.
orianna should save her ult for the skirmish.
team fight? malzahar should R the strongest enemy.
those are reference points. basically knowing what your champion should do at any moment.
this is why some champs have easy decisions macro and micro wise (malz)
some have hard macro reference points (TF)
some have hard Micro ref points (hwei, riven)
and some have hard both. (nidalee, yasuo)
Does anyone know what episode they talk about how the LoL ranked system is the best of any game and mention engagement based ranked systems?
I'm a 7 year iron/bronze player. I was thinking of swapping roles and trying a ranked climb. I'm not confused about why my rank is what it is. Embrace your iron/bronze, you have work ahead of you but it's not hard, it's fun! People pay good money for smurf accounts, something you have loaded with skins already! 😂 and when you start getting good you'll go 10 and 0 smashing folks. DON'T BE AFRAID OF BEING IRON/BRONZE, EMBRACE IT!
do you have any suggestions for ADC coaching?
I think a lot of players are stuck in the "It's so over" state of mind. They need to shift into thinking "we're so back". Even if things aren't unrecoverable they are stuck thinking "it's so over" so they just end up in despair anyway. You have to think "we're so back", it's the only way you can get anywhere. A lot of this is fueled by the "go next" mentality where one minor setback makes players give up.
Oh man, I'm at that Ekko clip and it could go so much more differently with a slightly different W placement and spamming back off from Ekko. They had technically won the pressure trade once Azir fled the scene but Naut forced the issue hard.
Wait didnt this clip was already shown on another clip corner??
Where can I find your proven list of champs?
I’m surprised there is not a BBC episode on autofilling. I tried to find an episode on it because it has been my biggest issue in Ranked. I no longer play PC but am on WR and got hardstuck Master on 50 percent WR overall despite having 60 percent win rate as a jungler. If I had no autofill games I would be challenger already doing the math on all my matches but I get autofilled about 30 percent of my games and have not gone well in them. I think autofilling is a lot more prevalent in WR than PC because of the smaller ranked player base in the west.
The ekko VS Azir clip, with the people pleaser ekko. He could’ve done a few micro things better, think longer about his w and aim it somewhere useful, check your R cooldown before going in. He has 3 seconds left on R when dying.
just tuning in, great stuff, got a sub from me. what do you mean by the blocks?
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Hey guys, been having trouble in ranked mentally and I don't want to take the game as seriously right now. Can I still learn and improve my game in quickplay, or am I basically just practicing muscle memory? On the other hand, should I just continue to play ranked and try, but not give as much mental weight to the result? Just want some perspective, thanks. :D
keep playing ranked and just have simpler smaller goals
You shouldn’t give any weight to the result. That’s the entire point bruh. You focus only on learning
22:56 this segment
23:30 Curtis says he wants to help them by simplifying it, then why not just simplify it? "mids go side lane and swap with bot because bot is safer mid" this way you at least gave them an explanation (a simplified one) while not just straight up going " I'm not gonna tell you, just do it"
cause like with my scenario you DID at least explain it, whether they want to accept it or not, and if they want to dive deeper you can just say no
like my sentence I wrote takes like 8 seconds to say out loud, not even. you could also add in "having more members mid like bot and supp is just better because they're closest to both top and bottom can rotate and now you have easier number advantage" and boom that's it.
curtis is talking like he spends minutes or hours explaining it, but if he wants a 15 second short way he could just ACTUALLY simplify it, rather than simplifying it by omitting the reason. but maybe curtis considers the 15 seconds too long or hasn't thought of a simple way to explain it idk
thoughts? I'd love a reply by curtis himself XD
If you give an explanation, the student will question the explanation and you are back where you started.
@@CrystalArrow-r2z but you gave one instead of none. you can just stop it after the 15 second explanation
No you can't. Try it out sometime they want more.@@mysticflow467
Man I’m waiting to enter the midacademy just to see if it’s really gonna help me climb, I feel like I am following all of your advice and I’m still hard stuck emerald 2…
Is there a way to send you guys a msg without being in a programm or something? Would love to heir your opinion about my situation especially with amateur level competitive gameplay being half of my focus / other one is solo q.
Especially with champ mastery conflicts and some other conflicts
Maybe I can help you, what ELO are you ?
@@ApoloGuard diamond 3
When you made that Mandarin comment, haha. I am learning Mandarin myself since 2 weeks ago or so slowly ramping up the amount of time I put in, and yeah, if you only studied 1 day a week you'll get almost nowhere tbh. xD
As someone who’s peak is silver 2 and who’s average rank has been bronze 2 over the last 10 years. I feel this person, I don’t think I’m ever getting good at league in this lifetime. I just feel too stupid.
Hit plat and now I’m scared to hit ranked, just been spamming quick plays
twin. got plat this morning
i’ll just Q up and demote to gold again
scared of what? demoting? that's normal, everyone demotes sometimes. stop expecting to always go up in rank. that is what is poisoning your mind. once you let go of that, the fear of demoting gets let go as well.
if you want to get a high rank you need to play ranked to improve. improve and the rank will follow after some time. imagine you were afraid to play in gold for fear of getting silver?
then you would have never peaked platinum.
don't rob yourself of emerald in that same way.
@@Cube__TV
"Everyone gets demoted"
*Gets flamed for demoting*
The discussion about not wanting to explain the “why” feels a bit counterintuitive for cultivating a curious approach and getting into the details. At the same time it’s very easy to get distracted by aspects that are unimportant and lose focus of the gameplay fundamentals.
im currently on a sabbatical from league, havent played since January after leaving the MLS for personal reasons
But i think people in low rank care far more about rank than higher elo players is because low ranks constantly get memed on in the league sphere, definetly if youre new and milling about iron/bronze and trying your best and all you see in the league community is 'lol youre iron? Have you tried turning your monitor on' it can get very draining to be told that climbing out of bronze/iron is 'easy' and anyone can do it with a few games of ranked, while youre struggling to the point it builds a complex of 'I MUST CLIMB OUT NOW' because you almost feel like youre viewed as an incompetent idiot until you do
the reason people wanna play more difficult champs is cuz it makes them feel smarter climbing playing a simple champ to climb makes people feel like there stupider on their climb cuz they might know they are smart irl or with other games other than league they usually play on hard mode or hardcore mode in other games so think they can in league, in my opinion
both times i recieved massive increases in LP s4-g1 p3-e4 was when i was spamming games. never in my 10 years of the game did i get there with a 3 block a day lol. those guys gotta play damn near perfect to climb on low games, needs a much higher winrate to do so. you need more than 25 lp a day to climb fast, and thats assuming 3 games/day on a 67& winrate. i dont think ive ever hit a winrate that high in higher games played, but playing more games seems to be the only way to climb, not being good. being good without the 100 games to let rito know, just doesn't seem to work. you just would get tilted doing that, and having a god complex. if you are really good, spam it down with intention, you get YOUR rank YOU belong in. I feel most people just want to feel they belong in their rank.
How come your OPGGs have only played like 30 games between the both of you, on your main accounts? You dont have time to play yourself because you are full-time coaching? Game changes and you have to feel it yourself to provide the best for your clients? Love the pod
Man I love BBC, proud to be a BBC'er
I am an ADC main and I play Xayah. I am hard stuck silver 4 and playing Xayah feels like I’m ego lifting but I can’t bring myself to play anything else. I think it’s time to be honest with myself and come back to Xayah later
I'd get to high plat then go back to Xayah.
Thanks.
Man, I keep dumping my LP after 2am on the weekend when the draft queue closes.
Stop being anxious. The only difference between norms and ranked is that your LP is visible and in ranked, it's actually easier because you don't get dunked by 5-man premades.
Welcome bbcs is crazy
how does opgg get these informations in the first place? are they partners with riot? i mean how could you even have all that information
24:00 this whole section is hilarious to listen to about just telling people to do the right thing and not explaining it all. It's fun to watch secular people figure out biblical structures and why they work slowly.
You show them and tell them to copy. Overloading them with the why ends up being useless.
Who are mls approved mid laners??
As a aspiring Sion Support, whom rushes titanic->hullbreaker; I find this very offensive.
Personally, I feel like after 9 p.m., I get the best games. The majority of players during that time are trying their hardest to win and arnt making as many mistakes. I'm climbing silver rank
ngl kinda funny that Curtis was like "okay loser here's how you throw challenger charms" and then showed 2 clips where he missed
I get the point, but it's still funny
The part where you say "play selfishly" and "don't be a people pleaser". What I like to do is use what I call the "my bad" method. Every time you do what you want to do and someone gets mad over it, just type "MB" and enter it in chat, even if you don't even mean it. Usually that's enough that they'll write it off as some mistake you made, and they'll say nothing else, and just move on. It's extremely stupid but it keeps your teammates from tilting and rage typing even while you may be playing properly. Easy bandaid fix to dealing with players.
got in 15 days from bronze 4 to iron 3 and lose 29 lp on a loss in iron3 xd.
you are the worst bracket of player. good news is you can only improve
@@tristan6773 it can be since i play to learn top since September I think. But the lp gains since 2 weeks seems not correct. I was the whole early season higher than b4 0 lp and suddenly got -30 lp + 20 lp in b3 b4 i1 i2 anf now iron 3.
Means 50 % win rate over 20 games i lose 100 lp.
but i was never longer than 10 days in iron in the last 4 years.
low elo clients have made Curtis a much angrier coach
understanding neace more and more everyday
he honestly does not sonds mad but fair enough lol
Can you guys do a podcast where you speak more in detail about ADC? I feel like u guys always kinda skip over it
first comment!
Season 1 normals player. Starting to take ranked seriously after coming across your podcast this season. Check out my op gg. Previously SpeedHunter#NA0. I changed my name recently so it should be Mr Jax Off#NA0.
Please tell me you guys have dropped the "new coaching technique"
Its a technique used by lazy parents and teachers who see their kids/students as incapable. If you cant acknowledge the students curiosity and break it down to a level they can understand, thats a failing on you as a teacher, and the student shouldn't be made to feel stupid for that.
"Dont bother asking why, just do what I tell you" is the most dehumanizing and demoralizing way to be taught something.
Feel free to roast mine. It's boring af though haha
But still important
No, my op.gg is boring to look at. That's what I meant
lmao weak ass subject, I got demoted to iron 4
NA account
henristan
Feel free to have a crack at my OPGG. SilverFang#4999 on the na server.