Actually, it's quite simple: Tenors are special because they do something that the average person cannot. The only reason, I think, that bass singers are not just as popular is because they are much more rare, and because it is much more difficult to be dramatic and have flare when you sing very low. Anyone can sing in tenor ranges if he trains his voice properly.
This is the kind of thinking that has everyone thinking if they're not a tenor or soprano, that they've been demoted. It doesn't help that the thinking carries over to the roles where the lower voices such as baritones and basses are villains and mezzos are either witches, bitches or best friends, while the tenors are the heroes and the sopranos are virginal.
What vocal fach you are isn't influenced only by what notes you can sing. Much of it has to do with where where tessurita and passagio are as well as the overall quality (harmonics/overtones) of the voice. Just because you can sing C5, F5, or C6 doesn't make you a tenor necessarily and therefore typing your voice isn't placing limits on how high you can sing.
you are totally correct, I guess those who don't agree, and 90 per cent do I think, obviously has something wrong with their hearing. play anyone and then play pavarotti, and the superiority is immediately evident
@mooby12345 That is, my base range seems to be somewhere around A2 to F4. But with the proper vocal training, I can now hit a C5 with almost shrug-worthy ease, and I can consistently hit good F5. Now, just another year or so of training and I'll be worth listening to!
The excerpt is from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor. It's from the duet "Verranno a te sull'aure..." (The musical excerpt really starts at "Sulla tomba che rinserra...") Hope this helps! :-)
That's known as "timbre". you might want to look it up. Each "instrument" has a unique sound due to the fact that more or less frequencies exist for any given note or sound. Violins are bright, scratchy and midrangy because of their physical structure and the way the strings are played. timbre. A baritone singing deep has a more ROUND timbre. A tenor will have more high frequencies and some even more pronounced. "energy". hahahah
@FinalFrontier321 Thanks for the clarification. I'm pretty new at distinguishing the vocal ranges. And, shee, I'm also jealous of his voice. ha. It's one of the reasons why Rush is so epic overall. I'm a female contralto i believe, a petite one at that, and i can't even come close to holding down and owning a Bb5 like he does.
I'm not 49 years old. And what's hopeless is me trying to get you to understand that you're actually saying what I said in the first place but in different words.
he had a true love for mankind people might not know how much he gave to charity free concerts, concert proceeding, hospitals and schools he build, music centre. he sponsored a voice competition every year to help young singers, many of whom are singing today and give him credit for their careers. plus there are hundreds of stories of singular kindnesses he did for people as he encountered them on his way........an extraordinary man. @@Krezo200
That sounds more like dramatic tenors who sang down as baritones, rather than the reverse. Although, dramatic tenors have quite a bit of ring. I can't see a true baritone who signs in theater, at the volume of production needed, sustaining higher range. If they can, then they are more likely tenors who possess a dark sound with more on the bottom. Usually though, those tenors have less on the very top and shy away from certain pieces.
Yes he had a way of saying things, he was a very clever and charming man, I have heard one fellow say, Pavarotti was certainly not a good looking man, so wrong, ask any woman. He was incredibly appealing.Compelling.........
is a tenor. A baritone singing the same thing will sound much different than him singing the verse to Scientist. Remember , a good trained ear (voice training) should be able to tell if a tenor is a tenor without hearing notes above the tenor passage note. Try to understand what I'm trying to say before you give it a quick reply :) A tenor singing an E will sound different than a baritone singing an E or D or C# etc.. I agree with you all on the point that right now he can't deliver a high C
@FinalFrontier321 Is it because of his vocal range? Is he a tenor? Geddy Lee's timbre is one most people have to acquire a taste for. Fortunately, I acquired the taste. :) hehe
@brennanwalsh Also, when you get trained classically....That deals with your natural placement, meaning whatever is effortless, on pitch, resonant and powerful. You see, that would be the key. Bass-Baritones would go off pitch and and sound stressed and unnatural if they attempt the Tenor range and it would be better off in a falsetto. A vocal teacher I have had in high school and she even did vocal assessments with me told me this.
A true baritone singing grand opera can't sustain the tessitura of a tenor. Opera singers who sing in grand opera must sustain large volumes of resonance and sound throughout the voice. Now there are dramatic tenors who sound baritone or have deeper sound, but those are dramatic tenors and have the ability to hit higher notes, but even they have less top then say a light lyric.
I agree the tenor voice is supreme on the operatic stage, but not the pop stage, the baritone rules. Do you doubt it ? Look at this, Dean Martin, Nat King Cole, Vic Damone, Bing Crosby, Billy Eckstine, Matt Monro, Bobby Darin, Bobby Rydell, Al Martino, Sammy Davis jr., Jack Jones, Mel Torme, and of course, the most popular baritone of them all, Frank Sinatra!. There is not enough space to name all the popular baritones. Good Post.
Not by timbre of course normally a tenor/baritone are differentiated by their passage notes. Baritones start covering Es while Tenors Cover Gs. But what I meant to say is that Buble's technique/breath control is much better than Chris Martin's so a healthy comparison can't be made. But you can still tell that Chris Martin has a higher voice overall than Buble and Buble's a lyric baritone. If Chris Martin had good technique he'd be pushing Cs, C#s lol but that is to be seen.
@mooby12345 A tenor's high notes will generally sound more full than a baritone's high notes; whereas a baritone's low notes will sound more deep and rich than a tenor's low notes.
There is nothing to understand. Your point is wrong. She's not talking about CREATED frequencies but AMPLIFIED. And the human voice -especially the tenor voice- creates a huge bump of energy above 2500 Hz.
Here are some passagio points.The lyric tenor's zona passagio falls between D4 and G4, the baritenor between C4 and F4, and the lyric baritone between B3 and E4. No offense taken Phewson. My most recent voice teacher claims that I am a tenor who has been singing in the wrong vocal fach for the last 16 yrs. So at the time,I'm trying to make a transition from bari to tenor!. Have a good day.
Hi. Yes, it's from a benefit concert he gave for the New York philharmonic with Zubin mehta 1980. He is in absolute top form throughout, amazing stuff i assure you. When i get my disk drive working i will post the whole thing.
what exactly is the difference between baritones and tenors? if know it's not just range since there are plenty of baritones who can sing high C and above
continued, there are a few exception like Jonas Kaufmann, his voice is dark, but he has a very small voice. The flip side to that is Mario Del Monaco, who was dark but had the most brilliant middle register, who was Stentorian. He could be heard easily over 100 people. From people I talked to who seen him, his middle was Gigantic. But with that much power, how much can he be left with on the top? B natural? Maybe C? Not much though. He was not usually hitting the crazy top that often.
dammit. my bad. I forgot to give you the final say. So, this comment won't have anything of substance in it (I'm sure you can't wait to add - NOR DID YOUR PREVIOUS ONES!). So, I'm a nice guy but when someone challenges me and calls me ignorant about a topic I actually know a little about, it makes me want to reply. So, Pavarotti has more "bite" in his notes. Louder harmonics around 2-3k. more energy in that range THAN OTHER TENORS, not than other anything on earth. ok, i'll shut up now
It's my mistake wasting my time here .. but oh well. Noone is born with an operatic voice. An operatic tenor or baritone or whatever voice category is someone who's perfected their technique and strengthened their voice muscles (diaphragm etc) after years of constant exercise. So yes, Freddie was not an operatic tenor, but he could have been if he wanted/practiced for it. Please read twice before replying Inquisitive :) Thanks
I hate being a tenor. I absolutely despise how thin my voice gets when I take high notes without distortion. I want to be a high baritone man. Their voices sound much better on the high register/mix.
I'm not a singer. I just do it because I'm here alone. hehe But I can sing and I have noticed I can induce some odd resonance doing this or that. Pushing my volume louder I was able to add a little resonance that seemed to be due to that volume or the way I formed my throat along with the volume. I have a baritone voice so I can't really sing up in the tenor range much. I wish I had a higher voice but I have what I have. I'm a good guitar player and decent musician. singing not so much.
A tenor hitting an F will produce a very different sound than a baritone hitting F, and yes they may sound very close if the tenor's in bad shape but of course less powerful than a baritone would. So understand this : Barry Gibb is a tenor, with a terrible technique he can't cover high notes but that doesn' t make him a baritone he's still a tenor no matter what you're born with your voice range, how you use it is another story. You may call these guys tenors singing in baritone range .
The difference between a baritone and a Tenor is timbre and Range. Baritones can sing some tenor notes in their upper range and some bass notes on their lower range.
@brennanwalsh Normally, if there Bass-Baritones, they are told NOT to sing higher notes than F#4 or even G4 by vocal coaches. They would very likely squeeze, throat, strain and go off pitch simply because that is NOT where there NATURAL voice should be. Most Guys/Dudes/Men/Males that I know that sing are underneath that category and they don't bother going higher than that range...They just use a falsetto. I don't really know too many Tenors, lol.
I WANNA BE A TENOR but I'm a Countertenor says vocal coaches. They also say that there is nothing Tenor about me. It's totally impossible because I cannot belt and I have no belt voice as it seems.
Well, you cannot definitely determine ones voice type if you hadnt auditioned him. Wikipedia mentions that Freddy could sing sustained G2, it is quite low for a tenor.And his high notes wasnt so tenorish :), but it actually doesnt say anything, because some tenors doesnt have good high notes, but they still tenors. I dont know exactly is he a tenor, it is just my opinion. But if you have any links, that disprove - i'll be appreciate for it.
Typically, a pop singer doesn't create so as many overtones as an opera singer. This has much to do with the technique. The way that opera singers develop their sound positions their voice in such a way that the overtones come (essentially) automatically. Of course, Pavarotti had some physical advantages, mainly the fact that his head was so large that there was simply more room to put the air and more mass that could resonate.
most pop stars can barely carry a tune, pavarotti had simply put, the best natural normally beautiful voice, plus 7 years of training, plus unusually large resonating chambers only a few are in the face, the rest of the body, chest lungs throat etc., plus is concentration diction and control and technique. most of the pop stars that sang with him were backstage shaking in terror at singing with an obviously superior voice,
Id like to be a tenor, but you gotta work with what youve got, Ive extended my range by 5 semi tones since last year, so it is possible to sing tenor notes if your a bass/baritone, practice :)
@Phewson60 I'm sorry, but yes, some people are just born with an operatic talent. No one is going into training/learning/studying/perfecting if they have no sign of somewhat of an operatic voice. Most people, even with training, can become a good, natural sounding, opera singer.
Clapton is definitely a tenor, try having a lyric baritone sing Layla and see what happens to their voice :). I'm not trying to be rude or anything, it's just that I know what I'm talking about, I'm a tenor myself but that's another story. And sherom mate, I'm very sorry if I came across as mean or rude or anything I just thought that your statement "Baritones rule on the pop stage" was a bit too bold. I agree that not all important voices aren't tenors but let's not say baritones are better :)
You can't know that :) It is true he doesn't hit a forte above Ab, which could mean two things, he either can't hit a C because it's not in his mixed range (he's not a tenor) or he isn't using his voice/breath correct enough to hit a C which is in his actual range (he's a tenor). If you listen to him in Scientist, singing the verses and have your voice teacher (if you have one) listen to it, a good teacher will tell you that he is a tenor because you can tell from colour of his voice that he
@Taenyr Elvis Presley, Bing Crosby, Johnny Cash, Frank Sinatra, and Barry White as a bass. Obviously bassist are not popular because there are so few, but the other four are singing legends, and if you couldn't think of them, I don't know what to say.
I do understand you. But HOW those resonant frequencies are formed is one thing. WHAT they are and whether they exist in other sounds is another. Yes, I have done the same thing. PUsh the voice so hard it actually begins to create new frequencies that really are not coming from the vocal cords as much as the resonating of the entire throat. Those Tuvan throat singers are one example of how you can get really weird sounds with just a throat.
@MmetalworksS That's correct, it's about the colour of the voice and the agility in that range. But there are no baritones who can sing those notes(Milnes will give a B very rarely and even then with his crazy technique you can tell he's struggling)Freddie's not a baritone.. it's very obvious.
No I'm not joking. Hey listen Phewson, I ain't here to debate on topics and sublimate my repressed aggression. I am stating that there is other vocal categories other than the tenor , by showing there are a lot of great baritones as well as tenors. Have a good day.
@nicktabus1000 Talent is a very very different thing. But physically/technically anyone can sing opera if they study enough (10-15 years) they might not always be interesting of course but they can sing it.
the arias he sung only ever went from low C to the high D, or falsetto high F- however wouldn't surprise me if he could go further into the second octave and much higher with his falsetto, the F just sounds so easy and free
george tester I’ve heard Pavarotti exclaim (like a sports event kinda ‘wooo’ sound) up to a B5. So it is very possible he could control it. And his lowest note he has sang is a G2.
Philster, I really don't mean to be rude but I'm going to teach you something valuable now (If you're in the music business it'll be very handy). When you refer to a singer as tenor/baritone/bass, you're not talking about their singing range but their real voice . It's like blood, a physical thing you can't change. A tenor might not be hitting As because of terrible breathing/bad technique but he's still a tenor and you can tell that from his timbre while hitting Fs etc.
It's not about Pavarotti. It's about the vocal tract. When closing in at about 1/6th of its original length, it causes this weird phenomenon. It's not about music or harmonics or overtones. It's the excitement of the air molecules. It's clear physics-sound engineering. Nothing to do with produced frequencies or even music. It seems to be caused by the way the vocal apparatus is formed, causing the sound to bounce against your air cavities. Similar to a sperm whale's "click" device.
For the Hz they should have chosen something more, I mean Pavarotti had much powerful performance than that concert. In concert Pavarotti said you don't rest unlike in theater play you sing a powerful aria then you rest. We know concerts, you sing one song after another. That range or register could even be higher. And I hear some cracks cuz his voice fot tired already.
IMHO best voice is bass, but baritone is very close. I can't listen tenor voice long time (exept some peaces). It is matter of taste. Who says that tenor is number one voice in opera, do you have listened Mozart? Who is tenor in "Le nozze di Figaro" or "Don Giovanni"? For me no tenor (no one at all) can compete with beauty of Cesare Siepi's divine timbre. But there are many no tenor singer's voices that can compete (but in general, they lose) with it: Ghiaurov, Capecchi, Tibett, Warren, Hines, Shore, London... Many, many singers. And similar is my opinion about soprano/mezzo soprano.
May i share. As a vocal teacher let me say that tenor, baritone and bass are all classifications based on their respective lowest note to highest note. THERE IS NO SUPERIOR type of voice here. Even notes go in circles CDEFGABCEFGABC etc.. Its just the matter of which part you are in.
You're joking right ? Alright let's see.. Freddie Mercury, Stevie Wonder, Tom Jones, Bono, The Gibb Brothers, Paul McCarntney, Chris Cornell, David Coverdale, Michael Jackson, Al Green, Elton John, George Michael, Roy Orbison, Marvin Gaye, Tony Bennett, James Dean Bradfield, Chris Martin, George Harrison, Enrique/Julio Iglesias, Thom Yorke, Eric Clapton, Matthew Bellamy (yes I know he's annoying but still a tenor), Ozzie, Bruce Dickinson, James Labrie. And tons more. Now think again :)
when you look at ceasare siepi or leonard warren or franco corelli you will realize that the voice makes no difference because if you are a legend you can be a bass or a baritone or a tenor its really doesnt matter
+George Sofialidis It does matter-for 150 years or so the tenor voice is the source of excitement and the big bucks-didn't you listen to the piece? Corelli was, of course, a tenor-obviously two of the most famous singers in history-the 2 probably the only two known by the general public were Caruso and Pavarotti
you have obviously no idea about the world of opera .I am i an opera singer and i am a tenor and bielive me it doesnt matter if you are a tenor or a bass but only if you are a good singer .
+George Sofialidis You obviously didn't watch the video, or you just miss the whole point. And because you sing in the shower or something,doesn't mean your brain stops functioning. The point was even, baritones-Milnes-admit the appeal and excitement of the tenor voice. Why don't you even acknowledge that? Nobody said that other voice types aren't great singers and artists.....
+Labienus Milnes admit this because he is not a great baritone because there is no more excitement in tenor voice than the others . I have seen a performance of la boheme and the tenor was bad and all the applause was taken by the bass because with his last aria vecchia zimarra moved the audiance something the tenor didnt even though he was the leading role . And because i dont sing in the bath but i am a professional singer it have happened to take less money than the baritone in the opera because this baritone was famous on this role. Obviously you have not ever singed in a theater or you are not even a singer so i dont find a reason to convince you. Keep your thoughts....
+George Sofialidis If you are actually a singer you should be smart enough to understand the point here-I would guess you can but are just being silly. And saying you are means nothing here-it's what you actually say that counts. Milnes was a great baritone-at least for the first 14 years of his career. Today he would be a super star. *by the way I saw and heard Milnes during his great years at the Met-at least know what you are talking about.) What a silly example-obviously if the tenor was inadequate, of course others would get more applause I happen to like all voice types-but the fact is that sopranos and tenors are the biggest names and stars
It's the same with trumpet. The non educated public prefers the lead players with their loud and screaming high notes. That some classical trumpet players after long years studying can play pure, sweet, beautiful and flexible like a woodwind instrument, is not interesting.
Good point Tim, but I think he (Joseph Shore) would start to show problems trying to sustain a role like Radames in Aida, rather than singing certain pieces. Like Placido Domingo now, he could probably still sing a few arias like Nessun Dorma as a tenor, but he can't be a tenor in a role-- He wouldn't be able to sustain the role. Domingo can't as he is now a baritone. That is how I tend to define it. I can't see a true baritone singing an entire opera as a tenor. Who knows though.
So yes Barry Gibb, Elton John, Tony Benettt (jesus christ he's like a badass tenor how can you call him a baritone), Christ Martin (doesn't cover notes uses falsetto but still a tenor) these are all tenors. You need to learn to listen to the voice timber and if they're covering or not, listen to Michael Buble a perfect baritone and compare his voice with Chris Martin they sing around the same range, he will sound darker cause he's a baritone.
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Actually, it's quite simple: Tenors are special because they do something that the average person cannot. The only reason, I think, that bass singers are not just as popular is because they are much more rare, and because it is much more difficult to be dramatic and have flare when you sing very low. Anyone can sing in tenor ranges if he trains his voice properly.
This is the kind of thinking that has everyone thinking if they're not a tenor or soprano, that they've been demoted. It doesn't help that the thinking carries over to the roles where the lower voices such as baritones and basses are villains and mezzos are either witches, bitches or best friends, while the tenors are the heroes and the sopranos are virginal.
Mezzos are witches or bitches ... LOL 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why not work to gain those notes, to mix your voice?
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What vocal fach you are isn't influenced only by what notes you can sing. Much of it has to do with where where tessurita and passagio are as well as the overall quality (harmonics/overtones) of the voice.
Just because you can sing C5, F5, or C6 doesn't make you a tenor necessarily and therefore typing your voice isn't placing limits on how high you can sing.
Pavarotti is the best tenor of all times!!! I miss you Maestro!!!
Can hardly believe its 10 years since Pavarotti left us......
3:43 "This is all money" :D
The tenor voice is the best. And nobody is better then Pavorati !!
IF a tenor has a powerfull voice, a beautifull color,all the notes along with supreme technice HE IS THE BEST VOICE!
and that would be pavarotti best male voice of all time says Leone magi era, who really does know.
Did anyone catch Pav getting out of the Limo and The Baritone Dude getting off the train...
The shade..
That baritone dude is singing LEGEND Sherrill Milnes!
Sherill mills demonstrates what a great artist he is ,setting his own ego and truly great voice aside to deliver a balanced view ..
Thank you 🤗
There's nothing like a tenor voice is better or superior to the bass or baritone........ All voices, if singing freely, seem beautiful
Not on stage.
@@jorgemirandalopez3264 Ugh it's subjective man!
Amen to that! I speak simply. Anyone who does not think that Pavarotti, has the most beautiful voice, on this planet...has no soul. :-)
you are totally correct, I guess those who don't agree, and 90 per cent do I think, obviously has something wrong with their hearing. play anyone and then play pavarotti, and the superiority is immediately evident
@mooby12345 That is, my base range seems to be somewhere around A2 to F4. But with the proper vocal training, I can now hit a C5 with almost shrug-worthy ease, and I can consistently hit good F5. Now, just another year or so of training and I'll be worth listening to!
What a voice!
Even if this is certainly true, I swear that I'd have lost myself if I'd found Sherrill Milnes in the metro
The excerpt is from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor. It's from the duet "Verranno a te sull'aure..." (The musical excerpt really starts at "Sulla tomba che rinserra...")
Hope this helps! :-)
And we Basses are just the echo like! And of all of tenors Pavarotti is the "GOD".
That's known as "timbre". you might want to look it up. Each "instrument" has a unique sound due to the fact that more or less frequencies exist for any given note or sound. Violins are bright, scratchy and midrangy because of their physical structure and the way the strings are played. timbre. A baritone singing deep has a more ROUND timbre. A tenor will have more high frequencies and some even more pronounced. "energy". hahahah
True but songs help you get a general sense of the voice category usually.
@FinalFrontier321 Thanks for the clarification. I'm pretty new at distinguishing the vocal ranges. And, shee, I'm also jealous of his voice. ha. It's one of the reasons why Rush is so epic overall. I'm a female contralto i believe, a petite one at that, and i can't even come close to holding down and owning a Bb5 like he does.
I'm not 49 years old. And what's hopeless is me trying to get you to understand that you're actually saying what I said in the first place but in different words.
The look at 1:33 to 1:43.
Every woman over 21 wants to be looked at like that at least once in her life.
jenni claire he‘s very emotional during his singing
he had a true love for mankind people might not know how much he gave to charity free concerts, concert proceeding, hospitals and schools he build, music centre. he sponsored a voice competition every year to help young singers, many of whom are singing today and give him credit for their careers. plus there are hundreds of stories of singular kindnesses he did for people as he encountered them on his way........an extraordinary man.
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he had the moves, the lady that acted iwht him in his bad good movie said he was a great kisser hahahaha
That sounds more like dramatic tenors who sang down as baritones, rather than the reverse. Although, dramatic tenors have quite a bit of ring. I can't see a true baritone who signs in theater, at the volume of production needed, sustaining higher range. If they can, then they are more likely tenors who possess a dark sound with more on the bottom. Usually though, those tenors have less on the very top and shy away from certain pieces.
"....a little and sometimes not a little... a little more!" lol
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Grande Luciano!
Yes he had a way of saying things, he was a very clever and charming man, I have heard one fellow say, Pavarotti was certainly not a good looking man, so wrong, ask any woman. He was incredibly appealing.Compelling.........
yes I noticed that, the ultimate flirt.
The tenor voice matches the timbre with the TENOR SAXOPHONE!!!
the human voice is a far finer and more varied an instrument than any instrument man made/
is a tenor. A baritone singing the same thing will sound much different than him singing the verse to Scientist. Remember , a good trained ear (voice training) should be able to tell if a tenor is a tenor without hearing notes above the tenor passage note. Try to understand what I'm trying to say before you give it a quick reply :) A tenor singing an E will sound different than a baritone singing an E or D or C# etc.. I agree with you all on the point that right now he can't deliver a high C
I want to a great tenor , it going take my whole
Life
To be?
My god, my throat hurts just listening to this..
@FinalFrontier321 Is it because of his vocal range? Is he a tenor? Geddy Lee's timbre is one most people have to acquire a taste for. Fortunately, I acquired the taste. :) hehe
Yay tenors! Tenors rock.
But it must be a nice enough job,some days, sitting and listening to the most beautiful music in the world- if it doesn't spoil the magic for them.
@brennanwalsh Also, when you get trained classically....That deals with your natural placement, meaning whatever is effortless, on pitch, resonant and powerful. You see, that would be the key. Bass-Baritones would go off pitch and and sound stressed and unnatural if they attempt the Tenor range and it would be better off in a falsetto. A vocal teacher I have had in high school and she even did vocal assessments with me told me this.
A true baritone singing grand opera can't sustain the tessitura of a tenor. Opera singers who sing in grand opera must sustain large volumes of resonance and sound throughout the voice. Now there are dramatic tenors who sound baritone or have deeper sound, but those are dramatic tenors and have the ability to hit higher notes, but even they have less top then say a light lyric.
Dramatic tenors are just baritones who are wannabe tenors
Pavarotti was a tenor right?
I agree the tenor voice is supreme on the operatic stage, but not the pop stage, the baritone rules. Do you doubt it ? Look at this, Dean Martin, Nat King Cole, Vic Damone, Bing Crosby, Billy Eckstine, Matt Monro, Bobby Darin, Bobby Rydell, Al Martino, Sammy Davis jr., Jack Jones, Mel Torme, and of course, the most popular baritone of them all, Frank Sinatra!. There is not enough space to name all the popular baritones. Good Post.
@paulipaz Geddy Lee is a very high tenor C#2-Bb5 in full which is pretty epic. I'm pretty jealous of his voice:)
Not by timbre of course normally a tenor/baritone are differentiated by their passage notes. Baritones start covering Es while Tenors Cover Gs. But what I meant to say is that Buble's technique/breath control is much better than Chris Martin's so a healthy comparison can't be made. But you can still tell that Chris Martin has a higher voice overall than Buble and Buble's a lyric baritone. If Chris Martin had good technique he'd be pushing Cs, C#s lol but that is to be seen.
@mooby12345 A tenor's high notes will generally sound more full than a baritone's high notes; whereas a baritone's low notes will sound more deep and rich than a tenor's low notes.
There is nothing to understand. Your point is wrong. She's not talking about CREATED frequencies but AMPLIFIED. And the human voice -especially the tenor voice- creates a huge bump of energy above 2500 Hz.
It's Freddie not Freddy. And if he's not a tenor, noone is :) Well he is a counter-tenor but that still is a tenor.
Voice type depends not only on range, but also on passaggio and timbre. And the timbre is the most important sing in opera
Here are some passagio points.The lyric tenor's zona passagio falls between D4 and G4, the baritenor between C4 and F4, and the lyric baritone between B3 and E4. No offense taken Phewson. My most recent voice teacher claims that I am a tenor who has been singing in the wrong vocal fach for the last 16 yrs. So at the time,I'm trying to make a transition from bari to tenor!. Have a good day.
Great video I totally agree!
I AM A TENOR FOR MY SELF. AND I STUDY WITH THE GREAT MAESTRO ONE OF THEM IS GREAT CORELLI. I THINK TENORS ARE LUCKY .
Is this true? I mean is this also like this with the pop singers (please don't get off topic while commenting), or is this only for opera singers.
Milnes and Pavarotti=AWESOME
Hi. Yes, it's from a benefit concert he gave for the New York philharmonic with Zubin mehta 1980. He is in absolute top form throughout, amazing stuff i assure you. When i get my disk drive working i will post the whole thing.
what exactly is the difference between baritones and tenors? if know it's not just range since there are plenty of baritones who can sing high C and above
It’s timbre and the fact that baritones can’t reach that high with their chest voice.
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there are a few exception like Jonas Kaufmann, his voice is dark, but he has a very small voice.
The flip side to that is Mario Del Monaco, who was dark but had the most brilliant middle register, who was Stentorian. He could be heard easily over 100 people.
From people I talked to who seen him, his middle was Gigantic. But with that much power, how much can he be left with on the top? B natural? Maybe C? Not much though. He was not usually hitting the crazy top that often.
dammit. my bad. I forgot to give you the final say. So, this comment won't have anything of substance in it (I'm sure you can't wait to add - NOR DID YOUR PREVIOUS ONES!).
So, I'm a nice guy but when someone challenges me and calls me ignorant about a topic I actually know a little about, it makes me want to reply. So, Pavarotti has more "bite" in his notes. Louder harmonics around 2-3k. more energy in that range THAN OTHER TENORS, not than other anything on earth. ok, i'll shut up now
david phelps greatest tenor of the century. best tone, great power great range
It's my mistake wasting my time here .. but oh well. Noone is born with an operatic voice. An operatic tenor or baritone or whatever voice category is someone who's perfected their technique and strengthened their voice muscles (diaphragm etc) after years of constant exercise. So yes, Freddie was not an operatic tenor, but he could have been if he wanted/practiced for it. Please read twice before replying Inquisitive :) Thanks
I love the tenor voice...Pavorotti is the best ever. I love to sing check out my rendition of the Lord's Prayer
I hate being a tenor. I absolutely despise how thin my voice gets when I take high notes without distortion. I want to be a high baritone man. Their voices sound much better on the high register/mix.
I'm not a singer. I just do it because I'm here alone. hehe But I can sing and I have noticed I can induce some odd resonance doing this or that. Pushing my volume louder I was able to add a little resonance that seemed to be due to that volume or the way I formed my throat along with the volume. I have a baritone voice so I can't really sing up in the tenor range much. I wish I had a higher voice but I have what I have. I'm a good guitar player and decent musician. singing not so much.
4:30 to 4:55
And the look at 4:52 is priceless. :)
A tenor hitting an F will produce a very different sound than a baritone hitting F, and yes they may sound very close if the tenor's in bad shape but of course less powerful than a baritone would. So understand this : Barry Gibb is a tenor, with a terrible technique he can't cover high notes but that doesn' t make him a baritone he's still a tenor no matter what you're born with your voice range, how you use it is another story. You may call these guys tenors singing in baritone range .
The difference between a baritone and a Tenor is timbre and Range. Baritones can sing some tenor notes in their upper range and some bass notes on their lower range.
@brennanwalsh Normally, if there Bass-Baritones, they are told NOT to sing higher notes than F#4 or even G4 by vocal coaches. They would very likely squeeze, throat, strain and go off pitch simply because that is NOT where there NATURAL voice should be. Most Guys/Dudes/Men/Males that I know that sing are underneath that category and they don't bother going higher than that range...They just use a falsetto. I don't really know too many Tenors, lol.
I WANNA BE A TENOR but I'm a Countertenor says vocal coaches. They also say that there is nothing Tenor about me. It's totally impossible because I cannot belt and I have no belt voice as it seems.
Will someone please tell me what the song on 1:04 is the Act 1 duet from Lucia Di Lammermoor.
Well, you cannot definitely determine ones voice type if you hadnt auditioned him. Wikipedia mentions that Freddy could sing sustained G2, it is quite low for a tenor.And his high notes wasnt so tenorish :), but it actually doesnt say anything, because some tenors doesnt have good high notes, but they still tenors.
I dont know exactly is he a tenor, it is just my opinion. But if you have any links, that disprove - i'll be appreciate for it.
Typically, a pop singer doesn't create so as many overtones as an opera singer. This has much to do with the technique. The way that opera singers develop their sound positions their voice in such a way that the overtones come (essentially) automatically. Of course, Pavarotti had some physical advantages, mainly the fact that his head was so large that there was simply more room to put the air and more mass that could resonate.
most pop stars can barely carry a tune, pavarotti had simply put, the best natural normally beautiful voice, plus 7 years of training, plus unusually large resonating chambers only a few are in the face, the rest of the body, chest lungs throat etc., plus is concentration diction and control and technique. most of the pop stars that sang with him were backstage shaking in terror at singing with an obviously superior voice,
I can see that u know nothing. The tenor who lasts 30 years, is the most admired, and loved than any singer in the world.
Id like to be a tenor, but you gotta work with what youve got, Ive extended my range by 5 semi tones since last year, so it is possible to sing tenor notes if your a bass/baritone, practice :)
@Phewson60 I'm sorry, but yes, some people are just born with an operatic talent. No one is going into training/learning/studying/perfecting if they have no sign of somewhat of an operatic voice. Most people, even with training, can become a good, natural sounding, opera singer.
That is zona di passaggio... sorry for the incorrect spelling.
Clapton is definitely a tenor, try having a lyric baritone sing Layla and see what happens to their voice :). I'm not trying to be rude or anything, it's just that I know what I'm talking about, I'm a tenor myself but that's another story. And sherom mate, I'm very sorry if I came across as mean or rude or anything I just thought that your statement "Baritones rule on the pop stage" was a bit too bold. I agree that not all important voices aren't tenors but let's not say baritones are better :)
I want to show love for the other tenors. I’m a tenor myself.
You can't know that :) It is true he doesn't hit a forte above Ab, which could mean two things, he either can't hit a C because it's not in his mixed range (he's not a tenor) or he isn't using his voice/breath correct enough to hit a C which is in his actual range (he's a tenor). If you listen to him in Scientist, singing the verses and have your voice teacher (if you have one) listen to it, a good teacher will tell you that he is a tenor because you can tell from colour of his voice that he
@Taenyr Elvis Presley, Bing Crosby, Johnny Cash, Frank Sinatra, and Barry White as a bass. Obviously bassist are not popular because there are so few, but the other four are singing legends, and if you couldn't think of them, I don't know what to say.
And despite his voice type he is still great singer!
Fortunately I'm tenor ;)
It is wrong to judge of the voice by the singing a song. One can lighten its voice, or vice versa - darken it. One can use improper technique.
I do understand you. But HOW those resonant frequencies are formed is one thing. WHAT they are and whether they exist in other sounds is another. Yes, I have done the same thing. PUsh the voice so hard it actually begins to create new frequencies that really are not coming from the vocal cords as much as the resonating of the entire throat. Those Tuvan throat singers are one example of how you can get really weird sounds with just a throat.
Lol good one StratApple. Got me laughing real hard.
Baritones have better speaking voices. I'm a tenor and I would give everything to have a deeper voice.
what's the song that Luciano Pavarotti sing at 2:44 ??
anyone can help me ?
BryanSlashed Vesti la giubba
What Judge Judy did before she became a judge.
Thank you
@MmetalworksS That's correct, it's about the colour of the voice and the agility in that range. But there are no baritones who can sing those notes(Milnes will give a B very rarely and even then with his crazy technique you can tell he's struggling)Freddie's not a baritone.. it's very obvious.
Pavarotti asfalta tutti.
Is this from a larger documentary?
No I'm not joking. Hey listen Phewson, I ain't here to debate on topics and sublimate my repressed aggression. I am stating that there is other vocal categories other than the tenor , by showing there are a lot of great baritones as well as tenors. Have a good day.
@nicktabus1000 Talent is a very very different thing. But physically/technically anyone can sing opera if they study enough (10-15 years) they might not always be interesting of course but they can sing it.
david phelps greatest tenor of the century. best tone, great power great range. perfect vocal control. does anyone know what was pavarotti's range?
the arias he sung only ever went from low C to the high D, or falsetto high F- however wouldn't surprise me if he could go further into the second octave and much higher with his falsetto, the F just sounds so easy and free
george tester I’ve heard Pavarotti exclaim (like a sports event kinda ‘wooo’ sound) up to a B5. So it is very possible he could control it. And his lowest note he has sang is a G2.
I tought at beginning that i am on Symphony of Destruction video xD
Philster, I really don't mean to be rude but I'm going to teach you something valuable now (If you're in the music business it'll be very handy). When you refer to a singer as tenor/baritone/bass, you're not talking about their singing range but their real voice . It's like blood, a physical thing you can't change. A tenor might not be hitting As because of terrible breathing/bad technique but he's still a tenor and you can tell that from his timbre while hitting Fs etc.
It's not about Pavarotti. It's about the vocal tract. When closing in at about 1/6th of its original length, it causes this weird phenomenon. It's not about music or harmonics or overtones. It's the excitement of the air molecules. It's clear physics-sound engineering. Nothing to do with produced frequencies or even music. It seems to be caused by the way the vocal apparatus is formed, causing the sound to bounce against your air cavities. Similar to a sperm whale's "click" device.
@FinalFrontier321 Not singing in classical/opera technique. Obviously using falsetto?
For the Hz they should have chosen something more, I mean Pavarotti had much powerful performance than that concert. In concert Pavarotti said you don't rest unlike in theater play you sing a powerful aria then you rest. We know concerts, you sing one song after another. That range or register could even be higher. And I hear some cracks cuz his voice fot tired already.
IMHO best voice is bass, but baritone is very close. I can't listen tenor voice long time (exept some peaces).
It is matter of taste. Who says that tenor is number one voice in opera, do you have listened Mozart? Who is tenor in "Le nozze di Figaro" or "Don Giovanni"?
For me no tenor (no one at all) can compete with beauty of Cesare Siepi's divine timbre. But there are many no tenor singer's voices that can compete (but in general, they lose) with it: Ghiaurov, Capecchi, Tibett, Warren, Hines, Shore, London... Many, many singers.
And similar is my opinion about soprano/mezzo soprano.
May i share. As a vocal teacher let me say that tenor, baritone and bass are all classifications based on their respective lowest note to highest note. THERE IS NO SUPERIOR type of voice here. Even notes go in circles CDEFGABCEFGABC etc.. Its just the matter of which part you are in.
You're joking right ?
Alright let's see.. Freddie Mercury, Stevie Wonder, Tom Jones, Bono, The Gibb Brothers, Paul McCarntney, Chris Cornell, David Coverdale, Michael Jackson, Al Green, Elton John, George Michael, Roy Orbison, Marvin Gaye, Tony Bennett, James Dean Bradfield, Chris Martin, George Harrison, Enrique/Julio Iglesias, Thom Yorke, Eric Clapton, Matthew Bellamy (yes I know he's annoying but still a tenor), Ozzie, Bruce Dickinson, James Labrie. And tons more. Now think again :)
Tenors are cool yeah, but it sounds more impressive when baritones hit notes like G or Ab above middle C than when a tenor does it.
when you look at ceasare siepi or leonard warren or franco corelli you will realize that the voice makes no difference because if you are a legend you can be a bass or a baritone or a tenor its really doesnt matter
+George Sofialidis
It does matter-for 150 years or so the tenor voice is the source of excitement and the big bucks-didn't you listen to the piece? Corelli was, of course, a tenor-obviously two of the most famous singers in history-the 2 probably the only two known by the general public were Caruso and Pavarotti
you have obviously no idea about the world of opera .I am i an opera singer and i am a tenor and bielive me it doesnt matter if you are a tenor or a bass but only if you are a good singer .
+George Sofialidis
You obviously didn't watch the video, or you just miss the whole point. And because you sing in the shower or something,doesn't mean your brain stops functioning. The point was even, baritones-Milnes-admit the appeal and excitement of the tenor voice. Why don't you even acknowledge that? Nobody said that other voice types aren't great singers and artists.....
+Labienus Milnes admit this because he is not a great baritone because there is no more excitement in tenor voice than the others . I have seen a performance of la boheme and the tenor was bad and all the applause was taken by the bass because with his last aria vecchia zimarra moved the audiance something the tenor didnt even though he was the leading role . And because i dont sing in the bath but i am a professional singer it have happened to take less money than the baritone in the opera because this baritone was famous on this role. Obviously you have not ever singed in a theater or you are not even a singer so i dont find a reason to convince you. Keep your thoughts....
+George Sofialidis
If you are actually a singer you should be smart enough to understand the point here-I would guess you can but are just being silly. And saying you are means nothing here-it's what you actually say that counts.
Milnes was a great baritone-at least for the first 14 years of his career. Today he would be a super star. *by the way I saw and heard Milnes during his great years at the Met-at least know what you are talking about.)
What a silly example-obviously if the tenor was inadequate, of course others would get more applause
I happen to like all voice types-but the fact is that sopranos and tenors are the biggest names and stars
What I would do! To sing like that.
I'm pretty sure I'm a Tenor and it's annoying because people always seem to critique high notes the most.
It's the same with trumpet. The non educated public prefers the lead players with their loud and screaming high notes. That some classical trumpet players after long years studying can play pure, sweet, beautiful and flexible like a woodwind instrument, is not interesting.
Good point Tim, but I think he (Joseph Shore) would start to show problems trying to sustain a role like Radames in Aida, rather than singing certain pieces. Like Placido Domingo now, he could probably still sing a few arias like Nessun Dorma as a tenor, but he can't be a tenor in a role-- He wouldn't be able to sustain the role. Domingo can't as he is now a baritone. That is how I tend to define it. I can't see a true baritone singing an entire opera as a tenor. Who knows though.
how is it possible to compare caruso and pavarotti, we can only hear caruso courtesy of primitive recordings
So yes Barry Gibb, Elton John, Tony Benettt (jesus christ he's like a badass tenor how can you call him a baritone), Christ Martin (doesn't cover notes uses falsetto but still a tenor) these are all tenors. You need to learn to listen to the voice timber and if they're covering or not, listen to Michael Buble a perfect baritone and compare his voice with Chris Martin they sing around the same range, he will sound darker cause he's a baritone.