@@Defianthuman better that it never goes down. I have 3 UPS units in my home to protect various electronics. My systems are protected for 10-15 minutes, more than enough time for the NG generator to come online. Even better for those times the power 'chatters', nothing loses power during the chattering so can't lose power while it's rebooting from the previous dropout.
The delay in reconnecting to the grid might be a feature and not a bug. Sometimes the grid goes on and off a few times before coming on steady, and the delay might help save your system from line surges.
Nah its a glitch, mines 20ms(says this in manual/specs). Someone did something wrong. My lights barely flicker let alone go off. Yes power flickers on and off, but the system just flickers with it so u dont even notice the power. I feel there is something wrong with his system, but hes renting, to spend that much and set up this system is crazy but hell make it all back from this video lol...
As someone who built a house years ago, they don't generally "finish" the garage walls in new builds except for the shared walls with the interior of the house in order to enclose insulation. I had to pay extra to fully finish and insulate my garage.
The shared walls are finished because they need to be fire rated, so the house occupants have time to escape in the event of a fire starting in the garage. Holding the insulation in is just a bonus, but you can install insulation without the drywall...
coils are so you can feed 240 V and have a center tap to get 120 V circuits. 240 VAC is fed on each end, with a center tap to get you 2 120 V AC circuits. This is normally supplied by the pole transformer, but since that is disconnected when running off the Cybertruck, this is needed.
Yep exactly. Cybertruck only outputs 240v single phase. No neutral. The backup gateway has a neutral forming transformer. Really similar to Enphase sunlight backup as enphase solar micro-inverters only output 240v too.
My guess is that it's a split-phase downstep transformer from 240 volts to 120, and the center tap is the common neutral?. Since the coils looked like a transformer. Sorry, I have a basic understanding of how split phase works in terms of obtaining a 240 VAC circuit. And while my father was a lineman we never talked about the nomenclature of a transformer. So this is the first time I've ever heard the term Center Tap. At least the post explained how the Gateway worked. Until now I was assuming it just back fed the electricity to the circuit breaker box. So at least my understanding is vastly improved in terms of how it works.But it's a shame the post didn't go into more details about how it converts single phase to a split phase service. Or the load power sharing function of the EVSE. And I was a little confusing since they used the term power sharing in two different contexts.
As a fyi, I have telsa gateway and 2 powerwall 3s batteries and time to switch from grid to back power is instantaneous, so fast its not even noticeable and wifi doesn't go down
The solution I want is a house battery, like a PowerWall, that is supplemented by the vehicle's battery. The house battery could be 5 to 10 kWh, long enough to keep the lights and fridge on, and when a vehicle is plugged in it would enable power to the other larger breakers, and top up the house battery.
Look at a company called point guard energy. They have a home battery modular stack and advertise a 12.5 or 25kw EV DC bidirectional charger. It doesn't seem to be available yet though, and I haven't been able to find any vehicles it actually works with.
This is exactly why I built my Victron system. Keeping it small with just 1 5kWh battery for now and a portable power station too. Just need to figure out EVSEs that will integrate and if I need to get another inverter to do 240V or if I can stay with single phase. No problems running our whole home off a 5KVA multiplus for now. No EV yet😁
Can totally do what you want by adding a PowerWall to Kyle's setup and it would do this seamlessly. Or if handy you could go DIY with a more manual supplanting. Just need a car with V2L capability - to connect to a charger for your battery inverter.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneythanks for the hard work and large expense. New subscriber due to this vid. 15,000 mi already.how about a series of projects about CT operations like videos on the owner’s manual?
Great detail in this video, thanks so much. And thanks to Tom and State Of Charge for the Ford system explanation. Our old home got a generator power outage backup system at about $14K. And it has to run once a week just to keep seals lubed, etc. It was propane fed so that's another ongoing cost. So I think the $10K is comparable but I agree it should be less given no genset motor etc. We now have a battery backed system controlled by SolArk with batteries by Micro Grid and it cost about $14K but it's integrated with our existing solar system. It switches over to battery in about 250ms which blows my mind but we tested it and yes, it's back up and running the home in 250ms! We don't even notice it. With grid tie and solar power, we hardly see any grid charges but that will change when we hit the winter here in Durango. Cheers and thanks again.
Love the video Kyle and Tom (love the cameo). Kyle one point on your setup, only thing I would say is that I think most homes even with 2 cars would probably be able to suffice with one EVSE. We are currently running one EV and one ICE vehicle and I have found that we only need to charge the EV 1-2 a week. I think our household would manage being able to share one EVSE across 2 vehicles. I would be interested to hear what other peoples experience is. Maybe a poll?
$600 to install the wall connector from a panel that's less than 10 ft away seems awfully steep. This isn't the price of the wall connector, that's just the labor rate. It's maybe a 90 min job. If you were coming out for just one thing, yeah maybe I get it, but this is on top of another 4k install.
His cost is only $1500 and he'll make multiple videos on it more than paying for the install. Plus nothing says he can't pull the hardware when he moves out.
22:15 they wrote stuff in Sharpie on the Gateway? Why don't they have some sort of label maker to just label it so you can peel them off if you need to make adjustments to your system at a later date?
I like the delay when grid is restored. Many times, there is a huge spike and a dirty signal when power comes back. I have UPS units on a lot of equipment to protect from that. I'd rather wait several minutes to ensure the power is stable before switching.
That's a standard feature of backup generators. You want a delay to show steady power is restored. For seamless transfer back to utility power the CT would need to synch phases with the utility before transferring. Very impressed with the 2 second transfer time compared to the Ford system.
You're absolutely correct about them taking you for a ride on the price to maximize the Tesla credit. I had an electrician in Boulder county install my Rivian EVSE with dedicated 60amp breaker for $510 out the door. I paid the city permit directly which was < $100 as well.
I agree, but I do wish he would’ve given us an itemized bill from the company. They did have to bring in supplies like wire and conduit. The other thing is is they did have to move the wires for the AC and neither charger were close to the panel. So hard to tell, but my gut tells me you were taken for a ride.
Great video! There is a lower budget alternative with the Ford and GM (and Tesla?) trucks. While the automatic switchover in a minute or less is cool, most people would be happy just to be able to manually switch over their house to their giant truck battery and keep the essentials going for a few days. Just install a transfer switch and sub-panel with the essentials ($1.5 to 2K). Then buy a big cable ($250) to run from the truck’s 240V AC output to the transfer switch/subpanel. In case of an outage, plug the cable from the truck to the house, then manually flip the transfer switch.
Kyle, great video! We had our PowerShare installed about a month ago and absolutely love it. However, I wonder if anyone else has run into a sporadic data capture glitch during CT charging. I can see issues where the power consumption that should be attributed to the CT actually erroneously shows up as being consumed by the house. I just noticed right now that while I was charging, the data was showing up as being drawn by the house, so I went into the app and reduced the amperage to the truck down to 30 amps and the glitch seemed to resolve. I forwarded all this data to the Tesla support group and they acknowledged they were looking at the data. Just wondering if this has been encountered by anyone else. Thanks again for the great evaluations your channel produces. 😊😊😊
The return of grid power wouldn't trigger the Telsa gateway to restore the connection to the grid unless it detects continuous power for more than 5 minutes. Typically this is done to avoid switching back to the grid while it is still unstable. Seems like the same functionality of the Gateway along with Powerwalls. The 2 second delay is disappointing. Should be seamless.
I think that Tesla can't know when the ac is synced. It would need more tech to the house side. And a more robust communication system than just wlan? 🤔
This is the most critical feature. The only time I've ever had anything damaged by the grid was during power restoration. Now I physically turn my main breaker off during an outage and give it 15 minutes or so after restoration before I turn my main breaker back on.
@@Jako1987 Seams is easy for an AC-connected inverter. But the inverter in the Cybertruck isn't connected to the grid AC, only the load AC. Which means it cannot sync to it unless the gateway sends sync data over the data connection. Also, backfeed prevention code may specify a minimum transfer time. That kind of regulation is aimed at mechanical switches and is a bit outdated now that electronic switches can do it within a half-wave.
Agreed with Kyle about the cost of the installation on the PowerShare. Our neighborhood is rarely get power outages anyway. In case of emergency we can run couple of long power cords and 2 power strips from our truck.
We have 3 Powerwalls and it takes about the same time to swap, unless you tell the gateway to do it even while the battery starts taking the load. The 5 minutes to go back on grid is the same as powerwall and we don't see a small outage when going back on-grid. We rolled 3 powerwalks with gateway, and we did put in solar at the same time so costs are not comparable. We can charge our Model Y off 'solar only' when it is available to keep down the use of grid power. I hope the Juniper has bidirectional charging.
Thanks for allowing me to geek out with you Kyle. I live in an apartment building that has absolutely no home charging whatsoever. I offered to pay out of pocket to install an EVSE, management said no, if they allowed me to do it then they'd have to let everyone do it. (and I'm thinking... what's the problem) So I live off of public charging, and I also have level 2 charging at work. So I don't get to play with all of these cool toys. Wish you well with your new digs brother. 😊
The way that is wired, you can run the dryer and whatever else and charge cars. They spliced the Tesla control unit in-between the utility meter and your 150amp main braker. So, you have 200amp service to the Tesla wall connectors and the a/c unit. (but with lower value breakers for safety) The Tesla control unit then connects to the main breaker in the garage. Very well designed.
No, all power goes through the 150 amp main disconnect before it is connected to the Tesla Gateway. That's how he simulated the power failure, by turning off the 150 amp main disconnect.
@@hallcrash It is the main disconnect switch, but upstream of that switch must be a 150A main fuse to limit the installation. Otherwise you could draw whatever you want from the grid instead of the 150A you pay for.
One of the reasons the long delay isn’t necessarily a bad thing is that it gives time to know if it’s an actual outage or just a power “flash”. I could see the Tesla system getting very confused if it’s ready to react at a moment’s notice during grid power flashes.
Yeah I got tired of the inflated estimates. They literally made no sense. My father in law (retired electrician) and I installed Hubbell 14-50, about five feet of 8 gauge, double throw 50 amp for a total cost of about $450 ($150 of that was the Hubbell. BTW the professionally installed quotes were made using a $10 Home Depot 14-50 yet they wanted $1300.00. 😅
@@smartlifesystems Awfully expensive labor. Took us about 2 hours. LOL Of course there were two of us. Moving a circuit around to make room for the double throw took the most time.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC I do not count your hours. I count company which have to be licensed, insured, come to your house, buy, maintain and insure vehicle for that, hire certified employee, have all the tools and equipment.....the list is much longer. If your hour wage is $50 (and you won't find electrician for hire for $50/hour at least in NY where I live). Company has to charge at least $250 to keep afloat if not doing shortcuts and breaking laws. I am not even counting big profits or backup/grow money.
I totally agree with your assessment, that the charges for installation were far too high. This is my top of head opinion and without any research. Over $10000 for bidirectional charging makes it unobtainable for most people. Thank you for your commitment and efforts to put this in front of the public, so we can all become aware of challenges in the energy transition and then more intelligently be able to apply pressure to help make things better for everyone.
An amazing amount of time that Kyle was actually not wearing his trademark hoodie. Also need to factor in the cost of a truck necessary for this to work. Will be nice if a SUV EV can power the house one day too.
I agree these electric co's that partner with Qmerit and similar charge way more than a local electrician because they know your getting so much $$$ from the OEM. I am also shocked that your new home only has 150 amp service in this day of age. And in Colorado and no insulation the garage? I had so much trouble with Qmerit installers, I went with my own electrician and still saved money.
It's a small rental home. New construction is all about minimizing costs and 150A service is plenty for most people. I can almost guarantee nobody else in the neighborhood will ever come close to drawing as much power as Kyle's house.
When you do end up buying a house, span panel my guy. I did 11.75 kWh solar array with 2 PW3, Tesla UWC, and Span Panel. You can stretch the battery of a cyber truck ~45 days of intenernet and refrigerator lol. This is assumed no sun is seen for 45 days. Absolutely crazy. The Ford implementation is already a dinosaur. Fingers crossed I'll use my M3 and MY as power walls on wheels. Only time will tell.
Great video Kyle, excited to have this capability when I can get the CT. I currently have solar and a powerwall for my home and the switch over during a grid outage is even quicker, near instantaneous, so fast that appliance clocks don't get messed up. Cool technology and added value to the CT for sure!!
The fact that Tesla got that down into one box is impressive engineering. That really simplifies the installation. Very short delay too. Looking forward to seeing what Rivian comes up with. It's still expensive but a lot of that is Qmerit being greedy.
when you do go to learn about your electricity consumption highly reccomend the emporia energy vue.. super sweet to see all your consumption for each breaker.
Great video Kyle, best of luck with the new home, I would love a series on this, what about a single Powerwall (or maybe 2 are required) for seamless transition from grid to battery + Cybertruck.
So basically your main panel is outside and your sub-panel is inside, adding a 50amp plug is basically what you are doing for $5.5k with a smart panel like the Anker panel for like $1.5k yeah way too expensive for something basic. Still 90% of that is free so good for you very cool.
We went with a roughly 8.5kW solar system with a Tesla Powerwall and gateway so provide power for the house when there's a power outage. The Tesla app really makes it easy to manage and see where all the power is going. Great video Kyle!
Auto makers could have AC V2H be optional when buying the vehicle. There could be a single design for the onboard charger, with the optional components left unpopulated as needed.
Depending on where the electrical panel is, it is pretty simple to set up a sub panel to provide a convenient way to handle multiple EV chargers as well as making it easy upgrade some of the equipment in the future. Furthermore with DIY, you can often go above and beyond the electrical code and still have things be cheaper than having a company do the work. When I did an extra circuit in my home, since it was in the garage, I did some outlets closer to the standard used for medical facilities, complete with isolated grounds, thicker gauge wires to minimize voltage drop across the line. While prices have gone up over time, the equipment cost is a small portion of the cost when an electrician is hired to do work, as long as you can work safely and follow all safety rules and guidelines, you can use the savings to go above and beyond.
Big benefit of using a cyber truck over a power wall is the size of the battery. Cyber truck is probably 100 plus kilowatt. A power wall I think is 13 kW. The output from the Cyber truck is much higher than the power wall as well. The bad thing about the two second or four second startup is that your electronics will do a reboot and your clocks will need to be reset. I have a 24 kilowatt neo Volta backup system which is similar to the power wall. I run my entire house except for 220 volt circuits on the neo Volta and when I switch off the grid there is not even a blink, so none of the clocks internet or anything else needs to be reset. Actually we had a power outage and we didn't even know it and my neighbors said my house was lit up when everything else was black. Cyber truck has four times the capacity which should be very beneficial for long-term power outages.😅
Anecdotal experience, the Powerwall and gateway when reconnecting to the grid is seamless, so perhaps because its new the 2-3 seconds of outage when reconnecting back to the grid will be fixed and unnoticable in a coming update. I can confirm that when there is a grid outage, there is a 2-3 second delay for the Powerwall to kick in so I think its working "within spec" :)
The powerwall can run AC-coupled as it's also a solar inverter (i.e. it is allowed and able to feed while the grid is up). The inverter inside the Cybertruck cannot, it's running as an independent backup generator that must be disconnected from the system before grid connection can be reestablished. Also, the split-phase transformer (that makes 2x120V from the Cybertruck's 1x240V) cannot be connected to the system at the same time as the grid transformer, and to disconnect it it must first be discharged.
Two things… The “partial finish” in the garage is to code. In most jurisdictions you need a fire rated finish (the drywall) on the shared walls to an attached garage to the living space. The extra fee is the pro-rated labor for having home owner present and asking question.
Great video Kyle. Thanks for sharing your experience. I like a way to power my home during a grid failure but, as you mentioned, $10k (plus the cost of the truck) is just way, way too much. I'll stick with my generator (under $1k) for now.
Man this would be game changing for the house. The price does need to go down. Combo this with a small battery backup for when you need to use the car and your golden
The transfer is commonly referred to as “open transfer”, you will always have some amount of dead time with the transition. “Closed transfer” exists but is much more complex and wouldn’t be used in non mission critical applications. Granted, 2 seconds is pretty great
10:11 definitely want to see a full send one day. Solar + batties. Full electrical home, heat pump cloths drier, heat pump water heater, ground source geothermal heat pump home heating and cooling. Quite possible to technically never have to pull from the grid if you if you have the correct insulation in your home and energy efficient appliances.
..and you could keep your internet and a few other small things up with some individual UPS's on those items. I do that with my cable modem and router and my desktop PC because I work from home and we lose power (briefly) a LOT...
Kyle, the power surge and disconnect during the night may have been electric heat.. during summer the mountains can did low enough to trigger it or another heating device. It would depend on your heat type or electric water heater type.. or 2nd car trying to charge.. NICE install though.. too bad it is a rental. Congrats. The inverter located in the vehicle make sense because the AC DC inversion is just being reversed. The charging cables stays AC whether it goes to or from the vehicle. Ford sends AC to the vehicle, converts it to DC for storage, then when needed in the home, sends DC to the home using the cables that usually send AC and requires another inverter in the home. Ford adds more complexity, components and takes longer to disconnect then confirm that lines are not powered before switching the power type. Tesla did a far better job, even if it requires every car to have these components to support it. Ford charges more to do less energy but with more complexity and opportunity for failure. Is Tom related Robert DeNiro? Every time I see him I can't help but notice the resemblance..
Mines swinging in around $6300. Garage on the other side of the house detached from the panel. Need to run some comm wires so the wall connector can talk to the gateway. I’m still scratching my head on it. It’s hard when you don’t see a huge amount of materials and pure labor. I’m in tech, I don’t make 4K a day lol
Having spoken to numerous electricians about the Powershare program / credit for Cyberbeast owners, all have said that Qmerit is charging outrageous prices, and that the $4k credit should in reality cover the entirety of just about any typical job. They are allegedly fleecing Tesla / Cybertruck owners.
I have a Rivian and heard Rivian will have a bidirectional wall connector soon. In the meantime, I have a EcoFlow Delta Pro 3 that gives me 4,000 watts of power. I'm suppose to be able to charge it from my Rivian while it supplies power to the house. But haven't got that to work yet. I think I need a transfer switch.
What channel is this? State of Charge? Lol. Excellent video as usual. My Chevy Bolt came with a wall outlet installation with a credit of up to a thousand dollars. My need was pretty basic. They installed the outlet right next to the breaker box in the garage and they also did a breaker upgrade. Didn't cost me a dime. I got an Emporia unit which I'm super happy with. I drive a jalopy to work 4 days a week and I drive the Bolt the rest of the week. I didn't really need the installation, but I know one day that my jalopy would shut down for good and I didn't want to be caught short. I keep the old 110 charger in the back of the Bolt just in case I may need it for something. Awesome vid. 🚙🇺🇸⚡🔌
Oof doing stuff like that to rented places. Now own my home so now I can comfortably do this. Solar Tesla powerwall 3 incoming. Having them install the same wall charger in my garage. PowerShare ftw Get a ups for the network equipment to avoid WiFi loss during this time. 30-100 per vehicle for this is a no brainer
Family member has F150L and uses extension cord to a pre existing generator panel in his garage to power the house (30a). Yea can't power all of it but will power mission critical stuff for days. The Pro power setup will be installed in his new house.
@@FullSpectrumWarrior next EV I buy will have bi direction or at minimum V2L. We had a major storm last month. My sister lost power and had her Model 3 in thedriveway but couldn’t use it to power the pump..
I was considering getting the Tesla universal wall connector now that my parents have and EV making us a whole EV household. I ended up going with the GrizzlE Duo instead out of simplicity. It’s being doing a great job keeping our 3 EVs charged but I do wish it was smart. If they ever release a smart version of it I would probably upgrade to that. I miss the nerd data.
That's looks like a good open floor plan house and I think it's good experiment for powering your house with Tesla cybertruck and it's cool the owner of the house let you upgrade their garage since your renting
Why would the rental owner want the unit removed? It will leave a hole in the siding (damage to the unit) and reduces the potential rental base for future occupants.
For a landlord it's really of no use because most people don't have EVs, it's another thing to break, and it would be too complicated if you didn't understand how it worked and needed to fix it. They don't really care about holes in the wall, landlord will just fill it with spray foam and call it a day.
So based upon this what I think is happening is that the Truck is outputting 240V not split...and the coil in that transfer for this is creating 120V. That is almost certainly what is happening
I agree with you about AC V2H but if rivian can pull off 24 kw DC V2V in addition to V2H, it’ll be worth it for power sharing between vehicles out on the trails.
The wallboard in the garage is probably due to code. Most States require wall board for any structure connected to an inside wall of the house. The wallboard on the outside wall would be because of the meter on the outside of the house.
This is an example of either having too much money, bufoonery or both. I remember when Kyle first started doing YT videos, and he has gotten very intelligent when it comes to this type of technology. But to do this to a home you are renting and then have to pay for removal and repair to the property shows his intelligence is specific to this type of thing!
The reason they only finished some of the walls in the garage with sheetrock is because it is code to have the sheetrock on shared walls of the interior of your home. They save money by not doing the other walls.
Solar+batteries (powerwalls) still a great way to avoid paying peak rates for energy. You wouldn't want to drain your vehicle battery every day during peak hours just to recharge at a Supercharger for a premium (vs residential rates).
A full service change is going to be $4,000. Plus they're going to have to run a new drop from the utility. At that point you put in a 400 amp service l and never do it again. That's big $ for little ROI.
Come to my house in Gilbert Arizona, have a solar roof and batteries. Would love to see how it works with my system. Wish I could use my model y that way as well!
The only thing you're missing is a UPS for your wifi.
Wifi and CCTV NVR. I have a NG generator and the UPS's are great for the change over.
It doesn't take long for a router to reboot
@@Defianthuman but better Never to .. Asia has many basic 12v batteries inline for this
@@Defianthuman better that it never goes down. I have 3 UPS units in my home to protect various electronics. My systems are protected for 10-15 minutes, more than enough time for the NG generator to come online. Even better for those times the power 'chatters', nothing loses power during the chattering so can't lose power while it's rebooting from the previous dropout.
@@genelane2243I agree with you. If you have a pure sine wave UPS, even better.
The delay in reconnecting to the grid might be a feature and not a bug. Sometimes the grid goes on and off a few times before coming on steady, and the delay might help save your system from line surges.
Nah its a glitch, mines 20ms(says this in manual/specs). Someone did something wrong. My lights barely flicker let alone go off. Yes power flickers on and off, but the system just flickers with it so u dont even notice the power. I feel there is something wrong with his system, but hes renting, to spend that much and set up this system is crazy but hell make it all back from this video lol...
As someone who built a house years ago, they don't generally "finish" the garage walls in new builds except for the shared walls with the interior of the house in order to enclose insulation. I had to pay extra to fully finish and insulate my garage.
The shared walls are finished because they need to be fire rated, so the house occupants have time to escape in the event of a fire starting in the garage. Holding the insulation in is just a bonus, but you can install insulation without the drywall...
depends on where you live. My AZ new build had the entire garage drywalled. No insulation though.
coils are so you can feed 240 V and have a center tap to get 120 V circuits. 240 VAC is fed on each end, with a center tap to get you 2 120 V AC circuits. This is normally supplied by the pole transformer, but since that is disconnected when running off the Cybertruck, this is needed.
Yep exactly. Cybertruck only outputs 240v single phase. No neutral. The backup gateway has a neutral forming transformer. Really similar to Enphase sunlight backup as enphase solar micro-inverters only output 240v too.
@@ColeBlack2 double yep, the coils provide a function referred to as an autotransformer.
Yes, and they probably also work to reduce common mode voltage from the Cybertrucks inverter and provide ground isolation.
My guess is that it's a split-phase downstep transformer from 240 volts to 120, and the center tap is the common neutral?. Since the coils looked like a transformer.
Sorry, I have a basic understanding of how split phase works in terms of obtaining a 240 VAC circuit. And while my father was a lineman we never talked about the nomenclature of a transformer. So this is the first time I've ever heard the term Center Tap.
At least the post explained how the Gateway worked. Until now I was assuming it just back fed the electricity to the circuit breaker box. So at least my understanding is vastly improved in terms of how it works.But it's a shame the post didn't go into more details about how it converts single phase to a split phase service. Or the load power sharing function of the EVSE. And I was a little confusing since they used the term power sharing in two different contexts.
@@nc3826well that bothered me, too, until I ordered another boilermaker.
As a fyi, I have telsa gateway and 2 powerwall 3s batteries and time to switch from grid to back power is instantaneous, so fast its not even noticeable and wifi doesn't go down
Is it worth getting powerwall(s) for that reason? In my mind, just having a cybertruck is all I would need since it has such a high battery capacity.
The solution I want is a house battery, like a PowerWall, that is supplemented by the vehicle's battery. The house battery could be 5 to 10 kWh, long enough to keep the lights and fridge on, and when a vehicle is plugged in it would enable power to the other larger breakers, and top up the house battery.
An EG4 12KPV and either a server rack battery or two or their wall mount battery would be perfect for this (and most people's setups)
Look at a company called point guard energy. They have a home battery modular stack and advertise a 12.5 or 25kw EV DC bidirectional charger. It doesn't seem to be available yet though, and I haven't been able to find any vehicles it actually works with.
This is exactly why I built my Victron system. Keeping it small with just 1 5kWh battery for now and a portable power station too. Just need to figure out EVSEs that will integrate and if I need to get another inverter to do 240V or if I can stay with single phase. No problems running our whole home off a 5KVA multiplus for now. No EV yet😁
Can totally do what you want by adding a PowerWall to Kyle's setup and it would do this seamlessly. Or if handy you could go DIY with a more manual supplanting. Just need a car with V2L capability - to connect to a charger for your battery inverter.
This is the setup I have and will have once the CT arrives. Near perfect.
About the time it took for Tom to start his timer is all the Tesla needed to get the power back up 😅
Are you complimenting the Tesla system for being fast or mocking me for being slow?😑
@@anton_grahn nice alliteration 😵💫
The Tesla option is a requirement, for the short attention span generation.
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@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneythanks for the hard work and large expense. New subscriber due to this vid. 15,000 mi already.how about a series of projects about CT operations like videos on the owner’s manual?
It’s really nice of the homeowner to allow you to install all of this.
Would definitely love to see this system be able to augment an existing backup setup with powerwalls, basically act as an additional battery source.
Great detail in this video, thanks so much. And thanks to Tom and State Of Charge for the Ford system explanation. Our old home got a generator power outage backup system at about $14K. And it has to run once a week just to keep seals lubed, etc. It was propane fed so that's another ongoing cost. So I think the $10K is comparable but I agree it should be less given no genset motor etc. We now have a battery backed system controlled by SolArk with batteries by Micro Grid and it cost about $14K but it's integrated with our existing solar system. It switches over to battery in about 250ms which blows my mind but we tested it and yes, it's back up and running the home in 250ms! We don't even notice it. With grid tie and solar power, we hardly see any grid charges but that will change when we hit the winter here in Durango. Cheers and thanks again.
100% need to do the one month power share challenge! Use up those super charging credits 😂
Love the video Kyle and Tom (love the cameo). Kyle one point on your setup, only thing I would say is that I think most homes even with 2 cars would probably be able to suffice with one EVSE. We are currently running one EV and one ICE vehicle and I have found that we only need to charge the EV 1-2 a week. I think our household would manage being able to share one EVSE across 2 vehicles. I would be interested to hear what other peoples experience is. Maybe a poll?
im a contractor just next door in Utah and in my opinion those numbers are right on. they don't seem inflated at all.
$600 to install the wall connector from a panel that's less than 10 ft away seems awfully steep. This isn't the price of the wall connector, that's just the labor rate. It's maybe a 90 min job.
If you were coming out for just one thing, yeah maybe I get it, but this is on top of another 4k install.
Wow, installing an entire bidirectional integration system into a rental house that you don't own. That's an incredible benefit for the landlord!
His cost is only $1500 and he'll make multiple videos on it more than paying for the install. Plus nothing says he can't pull the hardware when he moves out.
Yes but I can't believe that the rental company is going to make them take it all out when they leave
@@sirgardensalot No chance (hadn't watched the whole video when I made this comment. That's insane...)
About 23 minutes into the video, Alyssa joins in and she actually says they MUST strip everything down and take it with them when (/if) they move.
Wasn't clear if Kyle had to take out everything or just the EVSEs? But it's crazy the landlord would wanted any of it removed.
22:15 they wrote stuff in Sharpie on the Gateway? Why don't they have some sort of label maker to just label it so you can peel them off if you need to make adjustments to your system at a later date?
One can wipe off the sharpie with a solvent such as IPA, and add a label at a later date as needed.
Too lazy sharpen a pencil
I think brake cleaner will remove a sharpie as well. But yea, a simple label maker would look more professional.
Agree, electricians may use terminology different than yours. Personalize it because it’s your money paying for it.
I thought the same thing when I saw that, it would’ve bugged me big time.
32:05 Chomper 🤣🤣🤣 I love it!
I like the delay when grid is restored. Many times, there is a huge spike and a dirty signal when power comes back. I have UPS units on a lot of equipment to protect from that. I'd rather wait several minutes to ensure the power is stable before switching.
That's a standard feature of backup generators. You want a delay to show steady power is restored. For seamless transfer back to utility power the CT would need to synch phases with the utility before transferring. Very impressed with the 2 second transfer time compared to the Ford system.
You're absolutely correct about them taking you for a ride on the price to maximize the Tesla credit. I had an electrician in Boulder county install my Rivian EVSE with dedicated 60amp breaker for $510 out the door. I paid the city permit directly which was < $100 as well.
I agree, but I do wish he would’ve given us an itemized bill from the company. They did have to bring in supplies like wire and conduit. The other thing is is they did have to move the wires for the AC and neither charger were close to the panel. So hard to tell, but my gut tells me you were taken for a ride.
This is precisely what every EV needs to do!
no
I love when you collab with Tom
Great video! There is a lower budget alternative with the Ford and GM (and Tesla?) trucks. While the automatic switchover in a minute or less is cool, most people would be happy just to be able to manually switch over their house to their giant truck battery and keep the essentials going for a few days. Just install a transfer switch and sub-panel with the essentials ($1.5 to 2K). Then buy a big cable ($250) to run from the truck’s 240V AC output to the transfer switch/subpanel. In case of an outage, plug the cable from the truck to the house, then manually flip the transfer switch.
Kyle, great video! We had our PowerShare installed about a month ago and absolutely love it. However, I wonder if anyone else has run into a sporadic data capture glitch during CT charging. I can see issues where the power consumption that should be attributed to the CT actually erroneously shows up as being consumed by the house. I just noticed right now that while I was charging, the data was showing up as being drawn by the house, so I went into the app and reduced the amperage to the truck down to 30 amps and the glitch seemed to resolve. I forwarded all this data to the Tesla support group and they acknowledged they were looking at the data. Just wondering if this has been encountered by anyone else. Thanks again for the great evaluations your channel produces. 😊😊😊
The return of grid power wouldn't trigger the Telsa gateway to restore the connection to the grid unless it detects continuous power for more than 5 minutes. Typically this is done to avoid switching back to the grid while it is still unstable. Seems like the same functionality of the Gateway along with Powerwalls. The 2 second delay is disappointing. Should be seamless.
Yeah seamless shouldn't be too difficult for Tesla inverter? 🤔
I think that Tesla can't know when the ac is synced. It would need more tech to the house side. And a more robust communication system than just wlan? 🤔
works best with battery in line
This is the most critical feature. The only time I've ever had anything damaged by the grid was during power restoration. Now I physically turn my main breaker off during an outage and give it 15 minutes or so after restoration before I turn my main breaker back on.
@@Jako1987 Seams is easy for an AC-connected inverter. But the inverter in the Cybertruck isn't connected to the grid AC, only the load AC. Which means it cannot sync to it unless the gateway sends sync data over the data connection.
Also, backfeed prevention code may specify a minimum transfer time. That kind of regulation is aimed at mechanical switches and is a bit outdated now that electronic switches can do it within a half-wave.
Agreed with Kyle about the cost of the installation on the PowerShare. Our neighborhood is rarely get power outages anyway. In case of emergency we can run couple of long power cords and 2 power strips from our truck.
Agreed, With the EV Trucks having multiple outlets, just run extension cords the rare times power is out for a few hours.
We have 3 Powerwalls and it takes about the same time to swap, unless you tell the gateway to do it even while the battery starts taking the load. The 5 minutes to go back on grid is the same as powerwall and we don't see a small outage when going back on-grid. We rolled 3 powerwalks with gateway, and we did put in solar at the same time so costs are not comparable. We can charge our Model Y off 'solar only' when it is available to keep down the use of grid power.
I hope the Juniper has bidirectional charging.
Thanks!
Thanks for allowing me to geek out with you Kyle. I live in an apartment building that has absolutely no home charging whatsoever. I offered to pay out of pocket to install an EVSE, management said no, if they allowed me to do it then they'd have to let everyone do it. (and I'm thinking... what's the problem) So I live off of public charging, and I also have level 2 charging at work. So I don't get to play with all of these cool toys. Wish you well with your new digs brother. 😊
The way that is wired, you can run the dryer and whatever else and charge cars. They spliced the Tesla control unit in-between the utility meter and your 150amp main braker. So, you have 200amp service to the Tesla wall connectors and the a/c unit. (but with lower value breakers for safety) The Tesla control unit then connects to the main breaker in the garage. Very well designed.
No, all power goes through the 150 amp main disconnect before it is connected to the Tesla Gateway. That's how he simulated the power failure, by turning off the 150 amp main disconnect.
@ericjorgensen4826 that dosen't look like a breaker. It appears to be just a switch.
It could be🤷♂️. But it looks like a switch to me.
@@hallcrash It is the main disconnect switch, but upstream of that switch must be a 150A main fuse to limit the installation. Otherwise you could draw whatever you want from the grid instead of the 150A you pay for.
One of the reasons the long delay isn’t necessarily a bad thing is that it gives time to know if it’s an actual outage or just a power “flash”. I could see the Tesla system getting very confused if it’s ready to react at a moment’s notice during grid power flashes.
They need to have this on other model as well. My wife model Y is at home all the time and it can use for this purpose!
Yeah I got tired of the inflated estimates. They literally made no sense. My father in law (retired electrician) and I installed Hubbell 14-50, about five feet of 8 gauge, double throw 50 amp for a total cost of about $450 ($150 of that was the Hubbell. BTW the professionally installed quotes were made using a $10 Home Depot 14-50 yet they wanted $1300.00. 😅
one word...labor
@@smartlifesystems Awfully expensive labor. Took us about 2 hours. LOL Of course there were two of us. Moving a circuit around to make room for the double throw took the most time.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC I do not count your hours. I count company which have to be licensed, insured, come to your house, buy, maintain and insure vehicle for that, hire certified employee, have all the tools and equipment.....the list is much longer. If your hour wage is $50 (and you won't find electrician for hire for $50/hour at least in NY where I live). Company has to charge at least $250 to keep afloat if not doing shortcuts and breaking laws. I am not even counting big profits or backup/grow money.
A very informative video Kyle. The system looks amazing. Looking forward to future videos on this backup system.
I totally agree with your assessment, that the charges for installation were far too high. This is my top of head opinion and without any research. Over $10000 for bidirectional charging makes it unobtainable for most people.
Thank you for your commitment and efforts to put this in front of the public, so we can all become aware of challenges in the energy transition and then more intelligently be able to apply pressure to help make things better for everyone.
An amazing amount of time that Kyle was actually not wearing his trademark hoodie. Also need to factor in the cost of a truck necessary for this to work. Will be nice if a SUV EV can power the house one day too.
The coil in the gateway is auto transformer. The vehicle is making 240vac and you need to make two legs of 120v. Auto transformer.
Yep, auto transformers have been around since the early days of Mr Westinghouse & Edison.
I agree these electric co's that partner with Qmerit and similar charge way more than a local electrician because they know your getting so much $$$ from the OEM. I am also shocked that your new home only has 150 amp service in this day of age. And in Colorado and no insulation the garage? I had so much trouble with Qmerit installers, I went with my own electrician and still saved money.
It's a small rental home. New construction is all about minimizing costs and 150A service is plenty for most people. I can almost guarantee nobody else in the neighborhood will ever come close to drawing as much power as Kyle's house.
Top 5 most favorite OOS videos (behind old school M3P cross country vids ;)
1:50 start
2:35 bidirectional using Cybertruck
4:15 foundation Series
23:00 dual chargers
A Deal of a Lifetime. Best Truck Ever.
Th truck to rule all trucks
Bidirectional power, Solar and battery wall. This is the future/present.
When you do end up buying a house, span panel my guy. I did 11.75 kWh solar array with 2 PW3, Tesla UWC, and Span Panel. You can stretch the battery of a cyber truck ~45 days of intenernet and refrigerator lol. This is assumed no sun is seen for 45 days. Absolutely crazy. The Ford implementation is already a dinosaur. Fingers crossed I'll use my M3 and MY as power walls on wheels. Only time will tell.
Do you use evcc for management? I highly recommend!
I don’t see how you can use m3 & mY as powerwalls because they don’t have hardware, software, firmware to accomplish it.
Possibly DC2DC to the Powerwall 3? @@johnpoldo8817
I noticed the installer had a SPAN hat, was thinking Kyle should ask about that for his next house!
the ford system is good nothing to hate about dummy.
Great video Kyle, excited to have this capability when I can get the CT. I currently have solar and a powerwall for my home and the switch over during a grid outage is even quicker, near instantaneous, so fast that appliance clocks don't get messed up. Cool technology and added value to the CT for sure!!
Why is the Polestar bumper messed up?
I don't think it's messed up, if you look closely it has the same gap as the body panel behind the whee has, but at first I had the same reaction.
Elon.... Please put Power Share on the new Model Y!!! Great video.... Stay safe, Tim
The fact that Tesla got that down into one box is impressive engineering. That really simplifies the installation. Very short delay too. Looking forward to seeing what Rivian comes up with. It's still expensive but a lot of that is Qmerit being greedy.
Thank You Everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste
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when you do go to learn about your electricity consumption highly reccomend the emporia energy vue.. super sweet to see all your consumption for each breaker.
The owner of the electric ⚡️ company pops the champagne 🍾 cork from his million dollar home each time one of these installs come in😊
Try the ecoflow Delta pro 3 it will give level 2 charging from the AC adapter
Great video Kyle, best of luck with the new home, I would love a series on this, what about a single Powerwall (or maybe 2 are required) for seamless transition from grid to battery + Cybertruck.
So basically your main panel is outside and your sub-panel is inside, adding a 50amp plug is basically what you are doing for $5.5k with a smart panel like the Anker panel for like $1.5k yeah way too expensive for something basic. Still 90% of that is free so good for you very cool.
We went with a roughly 8.5kW solar system with a Tesla Powerwall and gateway so provide power for the house when there's a power outage. The Tesla app really makes it easy to manage and see where all the power is going. Great video Kyle!
Auto makers could have AC V2H be optional when buying the vehicle. There could be a single design for the onboard charger, with the optional components left unpopulated as needed.
Kyle can you do a cybertruck garage fit test in your new house?
I believe the coils are necessary to balance the 220v output from the truck to 120v loads in the house.
Depending on where the electrical panel is, it is pretty simple to set up a sub panel to provide a convenient way to handle multiple EV chargers as well as making it easy upgrade some of the equipment in the future. Furthermore with DIY, you can often go above and beyond the electrical code and still have things be cheaper than having a company do the work. When I did an extra circuit in my home, since it was in the garage, I did some outlets closer to the standard used for medical facilities, complete with isolated grounds, thicker gauge wires to minimize voltage drop across the line. While prices have gone up over time, the equipment cost is a small portion of the cost when an electrician is hired to do work, as long as you can work safely and follow all safety rules and guidelines, you can use the savings to go above and beyond.
Big benefit of using a cyber truck over a power wall is the size of the battery. Cyber truck is probably 100 plus kilowatt. A power wall I think is 13 kW. The output from the Cyber truck is much higher than the power wall as well. The bad thing about the two second or four second startup is that your electronics will do a reboot and your clocks will need to be reset. I have a 24 kilowatt neo Volta backup system which is similar to the power wall. I run my entire house except for 220 volt circuits on the neo Volta and when I switch off the grid there is not even a blink, so none of the clocks internet or anything else needs to be reset. Actually we had a power outage and we didn't even know it and my neighbors said my house was lit up when everything else was black. Cyber truck has four times the capacity which should be very beneficial for long-term power outages.😅
31:32 Kyle’s dog is wearing a collar that says “zero fucks” 😂
Anecdotal experience, the Powerwall and gateway when reconnecting to the grid is seamless, so perhaps because its new the 2-3 seconds of outage when reconnecting back to the grid will be fixed and unnoticable in a coming update.
I can confirm that when there is a grid outage, there is a 2-3 second delay for the Powerwall to kick in so I think its working "within spec" :)
The powerwall can run AC-coupled as it's also a solar inverter (i.e. it is allowed and able to feed while the grid is up). The inverter inside the Cybertruck cannot, it's running as an independent backup generator that must be disconnected from the system before grid connection can be reestablished. Also, the split-phase transformer (that makes 2x120V from the Cybertruck's 1x240V) cannot be connected to the system at the same time as the grid transformer, and to disconnect it it must first be discharged.
Nice CanExel siding on your new house. Good choice, guys! 🇨🇦
Two things…
The “partial finish” in the garage is to code. In most jurisdictions you need a fire rated finish (the drywall) on the shared walls to an attached garage to the living space.
The extra fee is the pro-rated labor for having home owner present and asking question.
Great video Kyle. Thanks for sharing your experience. I like a way to power my home during a grid failure but, as you mentioned, $10k (plus the cost of the truck) is just way, way too much. I'll stick with my generator (under $1k) for now.
Man this would be game changing for the house. The price does need to go down. Combo this with a small battery backup for when you need to use the car and your golden
The transfer is commonly referred to as “open transfer”, you will always have some amount of dead time with the transition. “Closed transfer” exists but is much more complex and wouldn’t be used in non mission critical applications. Granted, 2 seconds is pretty great
So excited about this video!
10:11 definitely want to see a full send one day. Solar + batties. Full electrical home, heat pump cloths drier, heat pump water heater, ground source geothermal heat pump home heating and cooling. Quite possible to technically never have to pull from the grid if you if you have the correct insulation in your home and energy efficient appliances.
..and you could keep your internet and a few other small things up with some individual UPS's on those items. I do that with my cable modem and router and my desktop PC because I work from home and we lose power (briefly) a LOT...
Kyle, the power surge and disconnect during the night may have been electric heat.. during summer the mountains can did low enough to trigger it or another heating device. It would depend on your heat type or electric water heater type.. or 2nd car trying to charge.. NICE install though.. too bad it is a rental. Congrats.
The inverter located in the vehicle make sense because the AC DC inversion is just being reversed. The charging cables stays AC whether it goes to or from the vehicle. Ford sends AC to the vehicle, converts it to DC for storage, then when needed in the home, sends DC to the home using the cables that usually send AC and requires another inverter in the home. Ford adds more complexity, components and takes longer to disconnect then confirm that lines are not powered before switching the power type. Tesla did a far better job, even if it requires every car to have these components to support it. Ford charges more to do less energy but with more complexity and opportunity for failure.
Is Tom related Robert DeNiro? Every time I see him I can't help but notice the resemblance..
Mines swinging in around $6300. Garage on the other side of the house detached from the panel. Need to run some comm wires so the wall connector can talk to the gateway. I’m still scratching my head on it. It’s hard when you don’t see a huge amount of materials and pure labor. I’m in tech, I don’t make 4K a day lol
Having spoken to numerous electricians about the Powershare program / credit for Cyberbeast owners, all have said that Qmerit is charging outrageous prices, and that the $4k credit should in reality cover the entirety of just about any typical job. They are allegedly fleecing Tesla / Cybertruck owners.
I have a Rivian and heard Rivian will have a bidirectional wall connector soon. In the meantime, I have a EcoFlow Delta Pro 3 that gives me 4,000 watts of power. I'm suppose to be able to charge it from my Rivian while it supplies power to the house. But haven't got that to work yet. I think I need a transfer switch.
What channel is this? State of Charge? Lol. Excellent video as usual. My Chevy Bolt came with a wall outlet installation with a credit of up to a thousand dollars. My need was pretty basic. They installed the outlet right next to the breaker box in the garage and they also did a breaker upgrade. Didn't cost me a dime. I got an Emporia unit which I'm super happy with. I drive a jalopy to work 4 days a week and I drive the Bolt the rest of the week. I didn't really need the installation, but I know one day that my jalopy would shut down for good and I didn't want to be caught short. I keep the old 110 charger in the back of the Bolt just in case I may need it for something. Awesome vid. 🚙🇺🇸⚡🔌
We just bought our new home. I want to do the exact same thing, our new garage is 22’ x 22’ so it can finally fit the cyber truck and our model Y.
Oof doing stuff like that to rented places.
Now own my home so now I can comfortably do this. Solar Tesla powerwall 3 incoming. Having them install the same wall charger in my garage.
PowerShare ftw
Get a ups for the network equipment to avoid WiFi loss during this time.
30-100 per vehicle for this is a no brainer
Family member has F150L and uses extension cord to a pre existing generator panel in his garage to power the house (30a). Yea can't power all of it but will power mission critical stuff for days. The Pro power setup will be installed in his new house.
@@simplygregsterev seen a video of that in action when lightning just came out.
@@FullSpectrumWarrior next EV I buy will have bi direction or at minimum V2L. We had a major storm last month. My sister lost power and had her Model 3 in thedriveway but couldn’t use it to power the pump..
I'im guessing to do seemless switching you would need to sync the phase to the grid, which would be more money for equipment
Enphase and NEP are able to do it with their solar micro inverters, the total cost that product is $150. That can't be the expensive part.
The difference in switchover time was not what I expected!
I was considering getting the Tesla universal wall connector now that my parents have and EV making us a whole EV household. I ended up going with the GrizzlE Duo instead out of simplicity. It’s being doing a great job keeping our 3 EVs charged but I do wish it was smart. If they ever release a smart version of it I would probably upgrade to that. I miss the nerd data.
Excellent information. Thank you! After seeing this, I think I will get the install done with my truck next month.
I wonder if it’s seamless if you added a power wall. Either way, slick setup!
Yes. Also don't need the 3V gateway. Just wait for software update.
Heck yeah! Power the house from the cyber for a month!!
That's looks like a good open floor plan house and I think it's good experiment for powering your house with Tesla cybertruck and it's cool the owner of the house let you upgrade their garage since your renting
Very cool i hope other Teslas will be able to do that
Why would the rental owner want the unit removed? It will leave a hole in the siding (damage to the unit) and reduces the potential rental base for future occupants.
Improve property value
They probably don’t want to deal with renters that don’t understand all this stuff and them having to maintain when it fails.
Agreements are usually written such that you leave the property in the same state as when you moved in.
For a landlord it's really of no use because most people don't have EVs, it's another thing to break, and it would be too complicated if you didn't understand how it worked and needed to fix it. They don't really care about holes in the wall, landlord will just fill it with spray foam and call it a day.
I do wonder why they didn't put the Tesla gateway on the inside of the garage, would have been much better.
This should be a standard across all evs
34:08 a small correction there, the Renault Zoe does not offer bidirectional charging but the Leaf does.
So based upon this what I think is happening is that the Truck is outputting 240V not split...and the coil in that transfer for this is creating 120V. That is almost certainly what is happening
Yep, it's not possible since the nacs connector is only two conductor. I wonder if that gateway transformer is sized to handle the full 50 amps.
@@andrewt9204 Yeap it's how all older EU solar Internter I would keep this totally grid and make a off grid with transfer switch
Some call it a Neutral Forming transformer. Also it's not required with a PowerWall.
@@bluedrew that's fair description. I wonder if th 240V output works this way that would be very interesting to understand.
That means each leg would have a limit than in theory
I agree with you about AC V2H but if rivian can pull off 24 kw DC V2V in addition to V2H, it’ll be worth it for power sharing between vehicles out on the trails.
Hope you have a battery backup on that garage door. Going to need to open that with a dead house when you arrive home to a power outage.
You would need a UPS like system to have a seamless transition, also get a UPS for your WIFI so you get real time data while transfer.
The wallboard in the garage is probably due to code. Most States require wall board for any structure connected to an inside wall of the house. The wallboard on the outside wall would be because of the meter on the outside of the house.
Hope they let all Tesla's (at least the newer ones) to be able to do powershare bidirectional in the near future. I'd seriously look at doing it.
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This is an example of either having too much money, bufoonery or both. I remember when Kyle first started doing YT videos, and he has gotten very intelligent when it comes to this type of technology. But to do this to a home you are renting and then have to pay for removal and repair to the property shows his intelligence is specific to this type of thing!
The reason they only finished some of the walls in the garage with sheetrock is because it is code to have the sheetrock on shared walls of the interior of your home. They save money by not doing the other walls.
Wild to do all this work on a rental
I really enjoyed this video Kye.
Solar+batteries (powerwalls) still a great way to avoid paying peak rates for energy. You wouldn't want to drain your vehicle battery every day during peak hours just to recharge at a Supercharger for a premium (vs residential rates).
Thanks for the video. I thnik you should have had him just put in a 200 Amp panel while he was there with all the charging you do.
A full service change is going to be $4,000. Plus they're going to have to run a new drop from the utility. At that point you put in a 400 amp service l and never do it again. That's big $ for little ROI.
@@otm646 damn that seems high. I had mine done for 2500 to go from 200 to 400
Great information.keep up the great videos
Come to my house in Gilbert Arizona, have a solar roof and batteries. Would love to see how it works with my system. Wish I could use my model y that way as well!