makes me wonder who this is aimed for, you get the slim form factor, and (the very limited upgrade path) of a laptop without the portability/ease of use of one.
@@RandomGaminginHDAfter watching the video I was wondering if it is quieter than a comparable gaming laptop. Do you have an estimation of some sort in this regard?
I sell computers for a living and this is how I feel about all-in-one desktop PCs. People who aren't computer savvy think they will get the same performance as a true desktop tower and save money by not having to buy a separate monitor, so I make sure to tell them that all-in-ones almost always have laptop-grade CPU, RAM, and other components and that it's more practical to just buy a laptop at that point. The only practical use case I can see for an all-in-one is a doctor's office as they can have very little desk space and will never need to be taken home anyway.
moslty for those asian countries were the only way of livin is a small room of a cramped appartment building where a standard pc will take a lot of space, and also youre not allowed to consume more than 400 watts. but you still dont want the hassle or portability of a laptop.
I like the thin profile, but one of my main issues with laptops is the fact that the gpu and cpu share the same heatpipes. So, while the gpu temps might be alright, cpu temps will be the same at lower power consumption or higher to the point of throttling due to a smaller die, leading to louder fan noise.
i agree that 8 ain’t enough and 12 or 16 should be standard but there’s a big chunk of ppl playing older titles or esports titles in mainly 1080 or 1440 that don’t face the problem so they can get away with it
@@PREDATEURLT I suggest you look better. I got my brother a brand new $600 laptop (after tax) with RTX 2050 and i5 12450H, and I can assure you it can do much better than web browsing and Minecraft. That was a year ago, too.
If it was 20% cheaper it'd be a genuinely good deal imo. It's too close to what an equivalent gaming laptop costs though, I'll be shocked if they sell any of them at the non-limited time early bird price though, paying £1,100 more for that thing sounds insane.
I think it would be cool if cases like these could be sold as “kits.” Like, something that can help convert your gaming laptop to something like that :D
That would be very difficult because of how many differences there are in laptop motherboard designs, such as where the screws go, or what direction the heatsinks exhaust in.
The only similar thing i know of is the Framework Laptop. Those laptops have the ability to be removed from the casing and slimmed down into a small form factor desk top.
Hey RGiHD, have you thought about reviewing any of the modular Framework laptops? More specifically, they advertise reusing older chassis internal components in 3D printed cases for HTPC, light gaming, home servers, etc. Sort of a DIY NUC, seems like a neat way to avoid throwing away old laptops.
@@HunterTracks Except that Framework is rather unique in that when you replace the internal motherboard/CPU/RAM/GPU with something new, you keep the existing screen, keyboard, etc., so you have to create a shell/case for the old chipset. So you're basically converting the guts of your laptop into a NUC, not simply using the entire laptop as a server, etc.
@@nathanddrews I don't mean using the whole laptop as a server, I mean taking out the motherboard, sizing it up, making a 3D model and printing a new case for the internals. It's admittedly a pretty time-consuming process, especially if you're new to 3D modelling, but it can definitely be done regardless of model.
I remember seeing an all-in-one PC/monitor type gaming computer being showcased on LinusTechTips, and I thought it was really cool. I bet there could even be a market for a super-thin gaming PC, even if it was non-modular, with decent cooling and a repurposed laptop board. I have no Idea why this thing costs as much as an equivalent gaming laptop with Identical hardware though!
Great review, shame about the pricing. They're getting these OEM boards with Raptor Lake mobile SKUs for next to nothing at this point. Minisforum has waited for major brands to move on to newer generation SKUs in their laptops, then buying at the tail end for their mini PC.
Wrong. It is not playing in the same league as a laptop. This is for those who want a REAL option for using a PC for gaming in your living room. Set it up with Steam Big Picture Mode, and you have a PC-Console, much more powerful than a ps5 or ps5 pro. I have the previous model and it's absolutely amazing.
And then you did not even run Cyberpunk 2077 with DSR enabled... Dynamic Super Resolution. As you know, this enables you to set the in-game resolution to 4K. A resolution that approaches 4k versus native 2k. This makes a lot of difference (I mean, like a LOT). In the end of 2022 I bought the NUCXi7. I then bought CP2077. I got over 30 fps with RTX and DSR enabled. Without my really realizing it, I was enjoying 4K resolution on my 1440p display without my much realizing it. I had a great time playing that game. In the end of 2023, several patches/updates further down the road, the game was unplayable with these settings. I suddenly had to play on native 1440p with DLSS on performance and RTX turned off. One, pixellated mess. Especially when it rains. When looking out of a window on the topmost floor of a building, I would believe I was seeing a picture on the wall if I didnt know better. The sense of depth was suddenly gone. Debloating my GPU Driver (thank you Panjno) enabled me to go from performance mode to balanced, but that was it. Still a far cry from the visuals I enjoyed in the beginning of 2023 (DLSS on Quality, DSR plus RTX). I did not want to play the game with the 'optimizations' merely to get a solid 30 fps. The 8Gb vram was, of course, the bottleneck. And it is 2024 and... Minisforum will bring up the frame gen. feature that the 4070 offers. I get your decision not to use DSR. This is not a 4K system. But why could the NUCXi7 from 2022 handle it? Then DSR is not really 4K. It takes a desktop grade GPU to run CP2077 on a 4K panel (I at first accidentally typed '$K' panel). Anyone picking up this AtomMan G7 Ti (and is interested in CP2077, which anyone is who care to buy a computer like this) will play, not the 2.0 version of the Game, but version 2.13.... It was while typing an e-mail for friend in which I recommend the AtomMAn, when it suddenly hit me: I cannot, in all fairness, recommend this thing to him.
things like this are actually really neat ! that would be great for someone like me who tends to bring their entire desktop PC to friends houses so we can LAN party, and that’s starting to get really heavy 😂 so something like this to use for that would be amazing. but to think a machine like this in the footprint it’s in wouldn’t have even been possible say like 5-6 years ago is wild to me we’ve come a long way in a short amount of time
Cool product that most people do not comprehend. This has the most powerful mobile CPU currently available and quite a beast. You will only find these in very high end gaming laptops, probably 2500$+. And Lenovo, Dell and HP will sell you mobile workstations with these for 3000$+. With that form factor you can choose your keyboard and screen with the advantage of a portable very powerful box. People that want this form factor for various reasons and with some money will be excited by this product. Though I wished they made a version without dGPU to lower the price if you don't need it. Also people do not realize that the only NVIDIA mobile GPU with 16GB VRAM is the 4090 which costs a fortune
Whut? 13900hx or 14900hx are constantly paired with 4060 or 4050 laptops, there are a metric ton of them out there. And most flagship 3080M laptops packed 16 GB vram.
This brings an interesting topic, for the same price can you build a proper desktop PC that performs as well, or even better? If not, what's the minimum cost to build one that matches the G7 Ti performance.
The more relevant question is can you build one the same size woth the same massively efficient power usage. You can build a pc cheaper, you cant make anything remotely like this product full stop though (you would have to convert a preexisting laptop, the price would be around the same but with vastly higher risks and no warranty).
i've got something similar, the omen x compact, though it actually has a reason for use laptop components, it's designed to play vr fully wirelessly from the wall...
14900HX is overkill for my gaming needs, while the "4070" laptop is underwhelming. I would prefer some R5 7500f and a stronger gpu chip, but what do I know...
I wonder how much of the price of a gaming laptop is the screen, keyboard, touchpad, battery etc that makes it a laptop. Judging by this device less than 10%?
I think this thing exists for same reasons as asus gaming NUC. To obtain some patents and technologies, companies often do not buy them outright(it's pretty hard to buy intel) , but enter into production contracts or buy out divisions of other companies. As a result, they, along with the technologies, have some obligations to buy out and use a certain percentage of the boards produced, or obligations to continue developing and manufacturing a certain number of devices. But since Asus and Miniforum really only need the patents, they put minimal effort into these devices.
The nuc runs awful tho under heavy load it runs like 95 degrees cpu temp even if the component are built to last in that heat I'd be surprised if the lasted a year
I was having the same issues with fortnite. Go to settings, click gear icon and scroll to the bottom, disable the two energy savings options and the stutters should go away.
A very nice... 69! That bit cracked me up, great video. Such a cool little product. It always surprises me what you can get in such a small package these days
It's like one of them cheap gaming computers with the built in keyboard from the '80s and early '90s, but without the advantage of being cheap. The reason those old computers were so cheap is 'cause they were passively cooled. It was just a single board, a few connectors and a plastic case cheaply slapped together. The only cooling you'd need was some vents in the top, maybe a heatsink or two, but once you needed fans etc. the engineering required to get everything to fit inside a tiny plastic case put the price up a few tiers and the people who wanted them(people who can't afford high end rigs) couldn't afford 'em anymore and they disappeared around '94 or '95. Seems to be making an odd comeback lately, but yeah, machines like this should probably stay in the past where they belong IMO.
I like Mini PC but consider the price is $2100 AUD barebone (after $50 USD discount pre-order plus Tax), it isn't appealling at all. A mini ITX PC Build would certainly bigger than this but it can use full desktop hardwares and the ability to upgrade. If I want portability, I would go with Laptop which somewhat similar in price and come with screen to use when I am out and about.
I just never see the point of these systems, I'm sure there's a market for them but you could get a mini-ITX case and put together a system that's only slightly larger for half the price. And, you can upgrade it later.
Depends on power limits. At 140W, it trounces the 4060 (laptop and desktop are basically on parity), and gets closer to the 4060 TI. However, the 4070 capped to a much lower power limit (80W or so) falls back to 4060(115W) performance. So up to the 4060, you’re maintaining close parity, as the desktop parts of this tier aren’t power hungry, but above about 140W, the gap gets progressively wider with higher tier parts. The larger chips can crank out more performance per clock, but clocks also need to come way down to stay within power budget, and at low enough clocks, the efficiency gains probably aren’t worth the additional cost of implementation (hence why the AD102 chip never came to laptops).
@@Lauren_CHe's not wrong though, it uses the same 4060 Ti AD-106 die, with the same bus width and same VRAM capacity. Of course laptop variants are better binned to be more power efficient, they have to be. But you can't completely ignore the scummy naming.
I really like this idea, but having it cost very close to the same as a comparable laptop is a bit much. I love the idea of making of of these out of a busted laptop (screen broken but internals work etc) to get some more life out of it.
This is basically the worst of both worlds: Lack of portability of a desktop, limited upgradability of a laptop. There must be a market though as they're still making them. I wonder who buys them
Two things stop me from buying this PC. 1. I have no money. 2. Intel 14th gen inside. I would prefer it with Ryzen or even Intel 12th gen. I just don't trust Intel's 13th and 14th gen CPUs any more. Otherwise I think they have a very good product there I would definitely buy. I like the form factor and not having the unnecessary keyboard, screen, battery. I really like this. I hope they keep improving it (love the cooling btw), and provide other options for CPU. I will still not be able to afford one, but at least I will feel bad for not being able to. Thanks for the video and for trying raytracing.
Great and informative video! If you had to choose, which Mini PC would you choose/recommend, and why? A: Minisforum AtomMan G7 PT B: Minisforum AtomMan G7 Ti
An i9 in such a model is simply nuts and not in a good way. A fourteenth gen. i7 paired with a mobile RTX 4080 (with 12 GB) for the same price Minisforum now asks for the AtomMan G7 Ti. That would have been so nice.
Minisforum has some cool stuff, but most of it, is not intended for actual usage by normal people it's meant more as an art piece or something that content creators will use since these things are way too god damn expensive, like that Ryzen Powered Tablet of their, it's 3000$
For that price I'd rather build SFF PC. You'll get more powerful hardware than the laptop one and you can also pick and choose what kind of parts you want to include in the PC. You'll also get a lot more ports and it won't take that much more space on your desk and if you shop around, it will be cheaper too. Or I would just buy a laptop. This is probably for people who don't know any better and just see the specs on paper not realizing that laptop components even with same name are weaker than desktop parts.
So this product is for people that love small desktop PC-s, don't need strong components and money is not an issue. I don't know who else would buy this overpriced Displayless laptop.
The main problem with gaming laptops and this as well is the soldered on CPU and CPU. When it fails (not if, when) the thing is only good for the bin. With a desktop individual things can be swapped out. Gaming laptops are working on borrowed time and will all fail and the funny part is most people who have them don't actually need them. Most people nowdays don't even need a PC at all and can do all their simple tasks on a phone.... at least in my country there's a lot of people with only 2 brain cells lol
I've never liked gaming laptops due to the under powered nature of them plus the insane price. £1,249 ($1,655.99 USD) is crazy to me considering for that price you could buy a micro ATX desktop for that price with more power and yes while It wouldn't be as portable, you'd get more longevity with better price for performance. (also does anyone else see the vanoss owl for the logo?)
IKR? I often hear reviewers say that efficiency doesn't matter for desktop users. And sure, it doesn't for many, but I live in Puerto Rico. We import our oil. Our power is expensive! I bought a mac mini secondhand just so that I could have a low power desktop that I could use 24/7, so that my gaming rig could be powered off most of the time.
Desktop cards lately tend to push clock speeds very high even if it's only slightly faster than running at a marginally lower clock speed with drastically different power consumption. Power consumption and performance don't usually scale consistently with clock speed.
I was looking into this mini PC world but i think laptops are still winning. If you buy a laptop you get a mini PC with screen and keyboard and a useless mouse. lol Mini PC is mostly viable for businesses or people who don't want to game just have a small workstation for excel and stuff and for movies.. If you travel a laptop is easier to handle and you only need a mouse the keyboard is not so crucial if you travel with mini PC you need a portable monitor 100-150 dollars at least.. and a keyboard and a mouse. Lots of cable and space compared to laptops..
Ehm are the mobile variants of GPUs getting worse and worse every generation? Like my 3060 Ti has almost the same performance without me overclocking it and that makes no sense.
it's kinda neat and i like the form factor of a gaming console... still i would rather have the zotac magnus one with desktop components in a very tiny (8l) case. if i just could buy the actual version (14.gen) here in europe for an acceptable price. i dont like full/mid size tower pc in my living room... looks ugly even more with lots of rgb lighting, but thats just my taste.
Using the name AtomMan is pretty dumb of them, because at first glance, many people are going to look at it and make the assumption that it uses an Atom processor, especially given its NUC/nettop form factor.
makes me wonder who this is aimed for, you get the slim form factor, and (the very limited upgrade path) of a laptop without the portability/ease of use of one.
Yeah I think it’s cool but makes me wonder if most people would just go down the laptop route instead
@@RandomGaminginHDAfter watching the video I was wondering if it is quieter than a comparable gaming laptop. Do you have an estimation of some sort in this regard?
I sell computers for a living and this is how I feel about all-in-one desktop PCs. People who aren't computer savvy think they will get the same performance as a true desktop tower and save money by not having to buy a separate monitor, so I make sure to tell them that all-in-ones almost always have laptop-grade CPU, RAM, and other components and that it's more practical to just buy a laptop at that point. The only practical use case I can see for an all-in-one is a doctor's office as they can have very little desk space and will never need to be taken home anyway.
moslty for those asian countries were the only way of livin is a small room of a cramped appartment building where a standard pc will take a lot of space, and also youre not allowed to consume more than 400 watts. but you still dont want the hassle or portability of a laptop.
either multimedia office or classroom lab
they usually has cramped space
The fact this most likely cost the same or higher than a laptop baffles me even more
That was almost a sentence
@@KYSMO huh?
English brother.
your comment makes 0 sense@@UltraVegito-GodKiller-1995
@@Chevelle3_ I literally just said that this cost the same or more than a laptop with the similar specs
I like the thin profile, but one of my main issues with laptops is the fact that the gpu and cpu share the same heatpipes. So, while the gpu temps might be alright, cpu temps will be the same at lower power consumption or higher to the point of throttling due to a smaller die, leading to louder fan noise.
8GB of VRAM is gonna get old quick.
Yeah I had no idea the laptop version had just 8GB until I tested this
i agree that 8 ain’t enough and 12 or 16 should be standard but there’s a big chunk of ppl playing older titles or esports titles in mainly 1080 or 1440 that don’t face the problem so they can get away with it
@@WaterDuckzz People playing eSports titles in 1080p don't need a mobile 4070, a $500 gaming laptop will generally do just fine.
@@HunterTracks i was just saying in general about vram
@@PREDATEURLT I suggest you look better. I got my brother a brand new $600 laptop (after tax) with RTX 2050 and i5 12450H, and I can assure you it can do much better than web browsing and Minecraft. That was a year ago, too.
All the portability of a desktop with the power of a laptop. Nice!
Considerably more portable than my mate's full towers.
wow, just this morning i was looking at minisforum g7 ti waiting for see some decent review.
Thanks!!
Hope this helps!
The design is evolving
Just backwards...
If it was 20% cheaper it'd be a genuinely good deal imo.
It's too close to what an equivalent gaming laptop costs though, I'll be shocked if they sell any of them at the non-limited time early bird price though, paying £1,100 more for that thing sounds insane.
That "thing" is absolutely awsome. If I didn't already have the previous version with an rtx 3070 from last year, I would buy it. Totally worth it.
you forgot that has an i9 cpu...its a good price for its specs
Wait that i9 would still be dying at some point.
And its cooking itself
It's a shitty 1.5K PC, and I can't believe he promoted this garbage.
I'm leaving.
@@ZERARCHIVE2023Bye then.
This PC is amazing.
I think it would be cool if cases like these could be sold as “kits.” Like, something that can help convert your gaming laptop to something like that :D
Yeah that would be pretty cool tbh
That would be very difficult because of how many differences there are in laptop motherboard designs, such as where the screws go, or what direction the heatsinks exhaust in.
The only similar thing i know of is the Framework Laptop. Those laptops have the ability to be removed from the casing and slimmed down into a small form factor desk top.
@@londongrace5784 Every laptop has the ability to do that, but you'd need to design and 3D print the new case yourself.
We technically can but it's not profitable 🙃
Hey RGiHD, have you thought about reviewing any of the modular Framework laptops? More specifically, they advertise reusing older chassis internal components in 3D printed cases for HTPC, light gaming, home servers, etc. Sort of a DIY NUC, seems like a neat way to avoid throwing away old laptops.
To be fair, you can reuse any old laptop as a home server, you'd just need to model the new case yourself.
@@HunterTracks Except that Framework is rather unique in that when you replace the internal motherboard/CPU/RAM/GPU with something new, you keep the existing screen, keyboard, etc., so you have to create a shell/case for the old chipset. So you're basically converting the guts of your laptop into a NUC, not simply using the entire laptop as a server, etc.
@@nathanddrews I don't mean using the whole laptop as a server, I mean taking out the motherboard, sizing it up, making a 3D model and printing a new case for the internals. It's admittedly a pretty time-consuming process, especially if you're new to 3D modelling, but it can definitely be done regardless of model.
despite my plans already to get one eventually and being well aware of it, I'd still love to see a review of it here
@@HunterTracks Yes, it can be done, but Framework does all the hard work of designing and printing the case for you.
If this ever goes on sale, i will 100% use this as a workstation
I remember seeing an all-in-one PC/monitor type gaming computer being showcased on LinusTechTips, and I thought it was really cool. I bet there could even be a market for a super-thin gaming PC, even if it was non-modular, with decent cooling and a repurposed laptop board. I have no Idea why this thing costs as much as an equivalent gaming laptop with Identical hardware though!
Great review, shame about the pricing. They're getting these OEM boards with Raptor Lake mobile SKUs for next to nothing at this point. Minisforum has waited for major brands to move on to newer generation SKUs in their laptops, then buying at the tail end for their mini PC.
I would go for a framwork laptop.
Framework laptops have weak GPUs.
@@CZRWK not if you spec them correctly
Terribly over-priced laptop without a screen or keyboard etc.
Wrong. It is not playing in the same league as a laptop. This is for those who want a REAL option for using a PC for gaming in your living room. Set it up with Steam Big Picture Mode, and you have a PC-Console, much more powerful than a ps5 or ps5 pro.
I have the previous model and it's absolutely amazing.
@@paulocardoso3078you have a pt?? I’m looking at getting a Ti SE😊
@@HP-rc7jh No, I have the previous model, the NUCXI7. With a rtx 3070 laptop gpu. Bought it last year. No regrets. 😀
Nice review.
Can we appreciate the cinematic camera work from a mobile in the backyard of flowers.
And then you did not even run Cyberpunk 2077 with DSR enabled... Dynamic Super Resolution. As you know, this enables you to set the in-game resolution to 4K. A resolution that approaches 4k versus native 2k. This makes a lot of difference (I mean, like a LOT). In the end of 2022 I bought the NUCXi7. I then bought CP2077. I got over 30 fps with RTX and DSR enabled. Without my really realizing it, I was enjoying 4K resolution on my 1440p display without my much realizing it. I had a great time playing that game. In the end of 2023, several patches/updates further down the road, the game was unplayable with these settings. I suddenly had to play on native 1440p with DLSS on performance and RTX turned off. One, pixellated mess. Especially when it rains. When looking out of a window on the topmost floor of a building, I would believe I was seeing a picture on the wall if I didnt know better. The sense of depth was suddenly gone. Debloating my GPU Driver (thank you Panjno) enabled me to go from performance mode to balanced, but that was it. Still a far cry from the visuals I enjoyed in the beginning of 2023 (DLSS on Quality, DSR plus RTX). I did not want to play the game with the 'optimizations' merely to get a solid 30 fps. The 8Gb vram was, of course, the bottleneck. And it is 2024 and... Minisforum will bring up the frame gen. feature that the 4070 offers. I get your decision not to use DSR. This is not a 4K system. But why could the NUCXi7 from 2022 handle it? Then DSR is not really 4K. It takes a desktop grade GPU to run CP2077 on a 4K panel (I at first accidentally typed '$K' panel). Anyone picking up this AtomMan G7 Ti (and is interested in CP2077, which anyone is who care to buy a computer like this) will play, not the 2.0 version of the Game, but version 2.13.... It was while typing an e-mail for friend in which I recommend the AtomMAn, when it suddenly hit me: I cannot, in all fairness, recommend this thing to him.
You can buy a laptop with a broken screen and put it on its side for way less.
And it won't be the same as this. At all...
Ouch. This oddity makes even less sense with Intel's silicon problems on 13th and 14th gen high-end parts.
things like this are actually really neat ! that would be great for someone like me who tends to bring their entire desktop PC to friends houses so we can LAN party, and that’s starting to get really heavy 😂 so something like this to use for that would be amazing. but to think a machine like this in the footprint it’s in wouldn’t have even been possible say like 5-6 years ago is wild to me we’ve come a long way in a short amount of time
today i got it. now my desk setup is complete. This is not for GAMERs . This is people for love gaming with a slick desk setup.
Cool product that most people do not comprehend. This has the most powerful mobile CPU currently available and quite a beast. You will only find these in very high end gaming laptops, probably 2500$+. And Lenovo, Dell and HP will sell you mobile workstations with these for 3000$+. With that form factor you can choose your keyboard and screen with the advantage of a portable very powerful box. People that want this form factor for various reasons and with some money will be excited by this product. Though I wished they made a version without dGPU to lower the price if you don't need it. Also people do not realize that the only NVIDIA mobile GPU with 16GB VRAM is the 4090 which costs a fortune
Whut? 13900hx or 14900hx are constantly paired with 4060 or 4050 laptops, there are a metric ton of them out there.
And most flagship 3080M laptops packed 16 GB vram.
This brings an interesting topic, for the same price can you build a proper desktop PC that performs as well, or even better? If not, what's the minimum cost to build one that matches the G7 Ti performance.
The more relevant question is can you build one the same size woth the same massively efficient power usage.
You can build a pc cheaper, you cant make anything remotely like this product full stop though (you would have to convert a preexisting laptop, the price would be around the same but with vastly higher risks and no warranty).
@@wyterabitt2149Efficiency wise, you simply power limit the CPU and GPU (with the added benefit of desktop level cooling).
I actually do this
Welcome to Laptopiss
Laptoplet.
i've got something similar, the omen x compact, though it actually has a reason for use laptop components, it's designed to play vr fully wirelessly from the wall...
Only one HDMI out feels a bit... tricky. Not even two?
Just like on laptops, you can use the usb-C for a second display.
19 seconds. Now this is being early. Always there for RandomgaminginHD!
Thanks for watching!
14900HX is overkill for my gaming needs, while the "4070" laptop is underwhelming.
I would prefer some R5 7500f and a stronger gpu chip, but what do I know...
I repoted 3 AI comments, can't wait to have AI annoying me when playing pc games in a few years.
the 4070 laptop gpu can push about 60 fps if you enable frame gen in cyberpunk if you prefer so
What resolution and frequency does USB 4 DP support?
I can do with one of this but me have no money time to put in the work and nice video by the way
I wonder how much of the price of a gaming laptop is the screen, keyboard, touchpad, battery etc that makes it a laptop. Judging by this device less than 10%?
I think this thing exists for same reasons as asus gaming NUC. To obtain some patents and technologies, companies often do not buy them outright(it's pretty hard to buy intel) , but enter into production contracts or buy out divisions of other companies. As a result, they, along with the technologies, have some obligations to buy out and use a certain percentage of the boards produced, or obligations to continue developing and manufacturing a certain number of devices. But since Asus and Miniforum really only need the patents, they put minimal effort into these devices.
The nuc runs awful tho under heavy load it runs like 95 degrees cpu temp even if the component are built to last in that heat I'd be surprised if the lasted a year
Thought you would be hauling arse in World of Warcraft, new expansion went live last nite, looks lush :D
I was having the same issues with fortnite. Go to settings, click gear icon and scroll to the bottom, disable the two energy savings options and the stutters should go away.
A very nice... 69! That bit cracked me up, great video. Such a cool little product. It always surprises me what you can get in such a small package these days
Have you had any issues with 14th gen Intel CPUs? It doesn’t look like it from your videos.
Do you know the motherboard manufacturer by chance? I know the NucXi7 was by intel I'm wondering if this is the same.
The only advantage I can think of is a better Cooling angle.
It's like one of them cheap gaming computers with the built in keyboard from the '80s and early '90s, but without the advantage of being cheap.
The reason those old computers were so cheap is 'cause they were passively cooled. It was just a single board, a few connectors and a plastic case cheaply slapped together. The only cooling you'd need was some vents in the top, maybe a heatsink or two, but once you needed fans etc. the engineering required to get everything to fit inside a tiny plastic case put the price up a few tiers and the people who wanted them(people who can't afford high end rigs) couldn't afford 'em anymore and they disappeared around '94 or '95.
Seems to be making an odd comeback lately, but yeah, machines like this should probably stay in the past where they belong IMO.
I like Mini PC but consider the price is $2100 AUD barebone (after $50 USD discount pre-order plus Tax), it isn't appealling at all. A mini ITX PC Build would certainly bigger than this but it can use full desktop hardwares and the ability to upgrade. If I want portability, I would go with Laptop which somewhat similar in price and come with screen to use when I am out and about.
This form factor looks perfect for a desktop i9 14900k and desktop rtx 4090
Can you please test the MEGAMINI G1 .
the first water-cooled mini Pc from GEEKOM
If only they worked with a company like Framework, so you can upgrade it in the future...
I just never see the point of these systems, I'm sure there's a market for them but you could get a mini-ITX case and put together a system that's only slightly larger for half the price. And, you can upgrade it later.
I don't understand the form factor here. Wouldn't this thing just run cooler if it were a little bigger and not board-shaped?
no forza benchmarks this time?
And please, if it is possible to test some GEEKOM products i will be very grateful!
How tall exactly is it?
A laptop 4070 is a a desktop 4060.
Depends on power limits. At 140W, it trounces the 4060 (laptop and desktop are basically on parity), and gets closer to the 4060 TI.
However, the 4070 capped to a much lower power limit (80W or so) falls back to 4060(115W) performance.
So up to the 4060, you’re maintaining close parity, as the desktop parts of this tier aren’t power hungry, but above about 140W, the gap gets progressively wider with higher tier parts. The larger chips can crank out more performance per clock, but clocks also need to come way down to stay within power budget, and at low enough clocks, the efficiency gains probably aren’t worth the additional cost of implementation (hence why the AD102 chip never came to laptops).
@@Lauren_CHe's not wrong though, it uses the same 4060 Ti AD-106 die, with the same bus width and same VRAM capacity.
Of course laptop variants are better binned to be more power efficient, they have to be.
But you can't completely ignore the scummy naming.
@@KimBoKastekniv47 Yeah, the naming is still scummy AF. Though it’s been a hot decade since the naming really meant anything.
you should go for a raspberry pi if you really like mini PC's :)
A laptop without battery n built-in display, a desktop but can't upgrade. So what is this thing 🤔, what the reasons why they make this?
I really like this idea, but having it cost very close to the same as a comparable laptop is a bit much.
I love the idea of making of of these out of a busted laptop (screen broken but internals work etc) to get some more life out of it.
call me old but i never like thin pc/laptop because i question it temp
Same
Especially when it's intel we're talking about lmao
The temps I've seen in reviews look pretty decent especially on heavy load
This is basically the worst of both worlds:
Lack of portability of a desktop, limited upgradability of a laptop.
There must be a market though as they're still making them. I wonder who buys them
With your comment ihope people just buy a laptop instead of this
How on earth does this "lack portability"? You can literally lift it with one hand!
Two things stop me from buying this PC.
1. I have no money.
2. Intel 14th gen inside. I would prefer it with Ryzen or even Intel 12th gen. I just don't trust Intel's 13th and 14th gen CPUs any more.
Otherwise I think they have a very good product there I would definitely buy. I like the form factor and not having the unnecessary keyboard, screen, battery.
I really like this. I hope they keep improving it (love the cooling btw), and provide other options for CPU. I will still not be able to afford one, but at least I will feel bad for not being able to.
Thanks for the video and for trying raytracing.
There's similar products out there that use AMD processors.
@@Zerbey Hmm, similar yes. As good no. The cooling alone is better than anything else.
Not bad if what you need is a slimline machine. But that price... ouch.
Great and informative video! If you had to choose, which Mini PC would you choose/recommend, and why?
A: Minisforum AtomMan G7 PT
B: Minisforum AtomMan G7 Ti
An i9 in such a model is simply nuts and not in a good way. A fourteenth gen. i7 paired with a mobile RTX 4080 (with 12 GB) for the same price Minisforum now asks for the AtomMan G7 Ti. That would have been so nice.
*Very sophisticated looking grater!*
Lot of non gaming laptops have DGPU too luckily
OMG ... that price! :))) ... I use a small laptop with a i5-13500H + RTX3050 6Gb + 16Gb RAM for all my needs :))))) it was
And it is not comparable to this, which is was more powerul and mostly for gaming on a TV...
Thanks bro
Dang I got in early for once. Gonna be annoying and comment before I watch the video.
Haha thanks for watching :)
Minisforum has some cool stuff, but most of it, is not intended for actual usage by normal people
it's meant more as an art piece or something that content creators will use
since these things are way too god damn expensive, like that Ryzen Powered Tablet of their, it's 3000$
I wish I had one tbh. I always dig mini PCs. Though I do have a RTX 4070 Laptop with the Acer Predator 14.
For that price I'd rather build SFF PC. You'll get more powerful hardware than the laptop one and you can also pick and choose what kind of parts you want to include in the PC. You'll also get a lot more ports and it won't take that much more space on your desk and if you shop around, it will be cheaper too.
Or I would just buy a laptop. This is probably for people who don't know any better and just see the specs on paper not realizing that laptop components even with same name are weaker than desktop parts.
having such a beast of a cpu with such a puny gpu is like having the biggest muscles on earth with the tiniest pp.
30th like , 3 mins and saw this on my page
So this product is for people that love small desktop PC-s, don't need strong components and money is not an issue. I don't know who else would buy this overpriced Displayless laptop.
But this won’t die like a laptop tho
Thank you.
try gtx 980 ti extreme edition windforce with turbo mod
Nice machine but the price would put me off .I would rather build a budget pc I do like the compact case design and it performed well for it size .
Weird form factor. Would have preferred something that isn't laptop hardware. I've seen similar designs but with desktop hardware.
its the same GPU as my laptop but mine is a AMD R9 CPU
The main problem with gaming laptops and this as well is the soldered on CPU and CPU. When it fails (not if, when) the thing is only good for the bin. With a desktop individual things can be swapped out. Gaming laptops are working on borrowed time and will all fail and the funny part is most people who have them don't actually need them. Most people nowdays don't even need a PC at all and can do all their simple tasks on a phone.... at least in my country there's a lot of people with only 2 brain cells lol
Would make sense if it was $700
try rx 5600 xt
Seems to be about double the price the hardware justifies.
Interesting 😅❤🎉
I've never liked gaming laptops due to the under powered nature of them plus the insane price. £1,249 ($1,655.99 USD) is crazy to me considering for that price you could buy a micro ATX desktop for that price with more power and yes while It wouldn't be as portable, you'd get more longevity with better price for performance. (also does anyone else see the vanoss owl for the logo?)
This Intel Gen chip seems a bad choice for an already hot system with its well documented recent issues!
It's not disguised as anything. It's a laptop without the other half lol. The real question is, is it any cheaper without the screen and keyboard.
The price is in the video, so no
why can't desktop chips be this efficient?! i'd pay everything for this power consumption and perfomance!
IKR? I often hear reviewers say that efficiency doesn't matter for desktop users. And sure, it doesn't for many, but I live in Puerto Rico. We import our oil. Our power is expensive! I bought a mac mini secondhand just so that I could have a low power desktop that I could use 24/7, so that my gaming rig could be powered off most of the time.
Desktop parts are so much better never take any notice of the naming of the GPU/CPU it will be cut down to buggery.
@@xKynOx It's not about performance now, but efficiency. Mobile chips use a significant amount less power but are not too much slower
Yeah they're basically the best bins
Desktop cards lately tend to push clock speeds very high even if it's only slightly faster than running at a marginally lower clock speed with drastically different power consumption. Power consumption and performance don't usually scale consistently with clock speed.
I was looking into this mini PC world but i think laptops are still winning. If you buy a laptop you get a mini PC with screen and keyboard and a useless mouse. lol Mini PC is mostly viable for businesses or people who don't want to game just have a small workstation for excel and stuff and for movies.. If you travel a laptop is easier to handle and you only need a mouse the keyboard is not so crucial if you travel with mini PC you need a portable monitor 100-150 dollars at least.. and a keyboard and a mouse. Lots of cable and space compared to laptops..
seems cool but it's neither laptop nor desktop pc, it's basically taking the worst of both worlds and putting them into single, small package.
It's the opposite: the best of both worlds! You can take it anywhere, hook it to any tv easily, and enjoy powerful pc gaming sitting on your couch.
Good review, but if I go somewhere I don't want to carry extra crap with me. I would just rather carry a gaming laptop.
at least it has dlss going for it
Ehm are the mobile variants of GPUs getting worse and worse every generation? Like my 3060 Ti has almost the same performance without me overclocking it and that makes no sense.
Damm they be scamming hard with this one in open daylight they ain't providing any screen or keyboard or trackpad? That's crazy
it's kinda neat and i like the form factor of a gaming console... still i would rather have the zotac magnus one with desktop components in a very tiny (8l) case. if i just could buy the actual version (14.gen) here in europe for an acceptable price. i dont like full/mid size tower pc in my living room... looks ugly even more with lots of rgb lighting, but thats just my taste.
i am not hating or ripping on the game play but that csgo footage made me happy i don't play the game . id rage so damn hard over just dying that fast
Its half a laptop with a stand lol
Yeah I guess it is haha
I would buy one of these for my gf
Using the name AtomMan is pretty dumb of them, because at first glance, many people are going to look at it and make the assumption that it uses an Atom processor, especially given its NUC/nettop form factor.
wow, a desktop computer with all the drawbacks of a laptop.
seriously, wtf is that pricing.
Imagine paying nearly $1800 just to get a rtx 4070 8gb