Timestamps! 00:00 Intro 00:55 Benchmark settings and explanation 03:02 Cinebench R20 03:57 WinRAR 5.71 (64-bit) 04:16 7-Zip 04:37 Premier Pro 2019 (4K 60FPS YT Export) 04:56 V-Ray Benchmark 05:16 Corona 1.3 Benchmark 05:28 Blender Open Data 05:40 System power consumption 06:11 AC: Odyssey 06:50 Battlefield V 07:19 Shadow of the Tomb Raider 07:43 The Division 2 08:10 Far Cry New Dawn 08:31 World War Z 08:56 Rage 2 09:13 Hitman 2 09:36 Total War: Three Kingdoms 09:58 Stock vs. PBO vs. OC 10:38 Temperatures 11:42 Value / Cost per frame 12:51 Conclusion and final thoughts
Ryzen 5 3600 cost just $200 while Ryzen 7 3700x cost $330 That extra $130 isn't justified for the gaming so Ryzen 5 3600 is the best budget gaming CPU in 2019!!
In Poland ryzen 5 3600 costs 242$. I bought yesterday r5 2600 for 151$ and I am very happy with the performance in pair with gtx 1070ti. 2nd gen ryzen is much much faster than my old pentium g4560.
@@luismvg11 The 2600 and 1600 both seem to offer excellent value, especially on the used market in the case of the 1600. I would be very curious to know what these benchmarks with the 1600 or 2600 vs. 3600 would be like when running a GPU like a 5700, 1070 ti, Vega 56, 2060 super, etc., as these seem like the class of cards most likely to be paired with a 3600 (though the 3600 is obviously good enough to pair with even a 2080 ti). Personally, I just bought a used 1070 ti because I found an amazing price which beat anything you can find new by a wide margin.
@@AcerTheRed Why not? Navi 5700XT is ~1080Ti performance for $400. That's a great deal. It's only 2% behind the 2070 Super, for $100 less. Best value GPU right now.
@@AcerTheRed check this review, amd smoked nvidia rtx 2080 at certain games and beating their new rtx 2070 super www.techspot.com/review/1870-amd-radeon-rx-5700/
I was planning on going to the 8 cores, but this is unbelievable! The money saved doesn't go to gpu or anything similar, it goes to the vacation budget!
@@masonsmart1999 I think yes because PCI 4.0 is fully compatible with PCI 3.0 and X570 also supports Ryzen 2 generation. Additionally, this next generation board might even be compatible with the next Ryzen generation Zen2+. So you have downgrade ability, likely upgradeable, higher RAM specs supported and next generation GPUs will most likely all be PCI 4.0 + a new generation of SSDs is right aroung the corner. I would only buy X470 or lower if I can safe a lot. Which I don't see at the moment. Most of the X570 boards I would like are between 30 and 100 bucks more expensive. That's nothing if it prepares me for the future hardware.
@@zombeesama1169 The 3600 offers better gaming performance than the 2700X, slightly lower productivity performance, and better efficiency. The 2700 is just a slightly slower version of the 2700X. I see no reason to opt for the 2700 over the 3600.
@@morganandcars It's been amazing. I ended up with a 3600 and a RTX 2060 SUPER, games run buttery smooth and at max settings. Rendering videos is also fast, especially using CUDA cores.
@@Hardwareunboxed can you please test 3600x and 3600 on a msi b450 tomahawk and show us the results i really want to see how it performs on a b450 motherboard since i am considering to buying it also will my corsair tx 550 watt good enough to run 3600x with a rx 580 8gb , thanks for this review really appreciate it
uP-Andre The 9400f wins only in certain cases though, and that’s when you have no other programs running except the game itself. In a real world scenario, you’ll have multiple programs running, like chrome, Spotify, etc while you play. That’s where the 3600 healthily beats the 9400f
@uP-Andre right, I agree on that too. But then we can still compare it with the I7 8700 non K which basically is the I7 8700K stock, and it still has higher price. About the case of I5 9400f pure gaming may be it win on 2 3 games. However that is too small and still no bios update for Ryzen. Overall, the R5 3600 is way too value for people who do mix thing. Like Streaming while gaming then they edit that video which is so valuable. Another point, if we do OC then we have to add the cost of mainboard + cooler. Basically compare 2 whole systems, and yes!! I7 8700K will win in game but still not win in p/p.
@rockn roll future proofing boy, And also if you want to do something in the background while playing a game is something ryzen can simply do better than intel
The 3600 is awesome but it is $315 in Australia and the 2600 has just gone down to $200! Id have to say that the 2600 is hands down the best value chip at the moment!
@@zeemonkeyman1 No that's not the point. you just seemed to imply that the 3600 is more expensive in Australia and i wanted to let you know that. Simple information sharing :)
abd bach Nah I was just comparing it to the 2600x in Australia. If I hadn’t mentioned Australia I would’ve had even more comments stating how it’s $220 not $315 etc etc
I've actually just replace my old 2600x for the 3600. So far really happy with the puchase, didn't expect a noticable difference, but it's definetely a lot faster. Runs at around 4Ghz all core under heavy load, sometimes dips to 3950mhz. Temps maxed out for me around 72C, but I'm using an aftermarket aircooler. Glad to see amd back in the saddle
@Productivity if he plays any competitive game or has a high refresh rate monitor it is worth the upgrade. I have a 1600 but only upgrading next year if Cyberpunk2077 benefits from it which it probably will
@@mikeramos91 yeah my mate Brough a 2600x couple weeks ago and said he wanted to upgrade to a 3600x. I said to him you're not gonna notice much. 2600x is at 249.00 aud atm which is cheap Af. No better time than now to build last gen haha.
@@mikeramos91 i agree. if he paired it with a high end graphic card, the difference might be noticeable. but anything below 2070 super, not worth it imho
3600 vs 3600x vs 2600 vs 2600x please. Interesting to see, since 2600 and 2600x are now much cheaper, so is performance bump worth the cost difference?
Aren't they just the same chip with different clock speeds (making the difference in naming schemes pretty confusing)? In both cases you're probably going to see a 5% bump in speeds across the board.
@@techbuildspcs and 2700x is only $10 more. Great time to be a PC enthusiast! If I wasn't currently in the process of buying a house I'd be building another system for sure.
I am still getting the r5 2600 at $140 on Amazon because that deal is still the best :) But this new 3600 is a nice improvement over the older Ryzen R5 2600.
AMD is doing great at the moment. Next build is definitely going to be a 3600 with a 5700XT graphics card. Good job AMD and great reviews as always Hardware Unboxed
Winter Charm never thought I’d see the day I’d buy all red team but you can’t argue with the value you get with AMD right now. And I’d happily give them my money now so they can innovate more in the future
@@khoado2060 No, I am saying the i5 outperforms the Ryzen 3900X ! That is a little Intel 6 core CPU outperforming a twice as expensive AMD 12 core, 24 thread 'elite gaming' cpu..... Remember if you buy entry level CPUs, you are going to have to upgrade sooner and that can be more expensive.
Every time Steve uploads a new video and the notification pops up it's an *instant click.* We all need to the appreciate the attention to detail in his reviews that we rarely find nowadays.
@@WonderfulMiwasak b450 gaming plus, b450 tomahawk or b450m mortar. but you should get one of the new max versions because those have special bios for 3rd gen ryzen.
@@soraaoixxthebluesky its something u set on Windows so a given program will only be executed on certain cores In ryzen case, setting the game to run only on multiples cores physically close to each other improves performance
RIP intel i5 series. This is good for consumer for better performance over price. Now only GPU is the problem. Hope AMD do something with NGREEDIA card
Great review! As for us 2600 (and even 1600) owners, it would be cool to see a 2600 vs 3600 video with budget RAM (16GB) and B450 boards, as well a 1440p card like the RTX 2060 super or the 5700XT. This would make us see if the upgrade is worth it.
A higher base clock does not matter. Most motherboards will run all core overclocks at 4 GHz or greater on all X sku CPU's either way. No matter what your base clock is it can't give you better performance than a higher clock speed.
Awesome, just swapping out my 1700X for the 3600 now. Can't wait for that better IPC and clock speed, all with a much more friendly TDP. Hooray AMD! EDIT: Did an evening's worth of gaming etc, with a Coolermaster 120mm AIO she sits at a constant 4.2GHz without a sweat and effortlessly maxes out my heavily overclocked 1070Ti. Utilization is about 20 to 30% at 1080p Ultra. Awesome!
@@blitzwing1 this is a big part for me. I remember the clock-speed wars of the late 90' and early 2000's, and reading about hyperthreading as 'an interesting new theory' - exciting times! I loved my 1700X but it was under-utilised in my application and often buggy due to power spikes and multi-core switching. I just installed the 3600 after updating the bios on my X370-I ROG Strix and everything seems great so far. The TDP and efficiency is a big deal for my application as its an ITX build and generally used for 2 to 5 hours an evening in a quiet environment. In my experience it's more effective to swap out hardware when the old stuff still has some value on the used market - I'll likely be able to sell the 1700X for close to what I bought it for after the Ryzen 2nd gen release.
@Ivan Dobrev Depends entirely on what you do with your computer. For example since Photoshop likes clock speed and IPC more than a lot of cores it will be noticeable improvement because of the better IPC and clocks even with 2 less cores. Same for Lightroom and maybe even Premiere. Plus if you are doing a lot of compression or decompression it will also be a decent upgrade.
Wow the competition is not even with i5 Intel processors but Ryzen 5 3600 is head to head with core i7 This is amazing. AMD have come so much far with Ryzen CPUs. The most amazing thing is they cost way less than Intel. WOW
Hell yeah. I ordered this CPU 5 minutes after the release because I knew from leaked benchmarks and from what we already know about 6 core 12 thread Ryzen parts. And it looks like I couldn't have been more right in my purchase decision :) Price/performance king! Really appreciate you Steve going out of your way to buy this 3600 and review it straight away. This is the first review I've seen where we can see how it compares to the 3700X. I wanted to know if the higher binned 3700X would provide higher framerates in any significant way and thankfully, what I suspected was true. Almost neck and neck with the 3700X since after 6c12t you get diminishing returns in gaming, at least for now.
Could you make a benchmark video R5 3600 vs i5 9600K with a 5700XT on cheaper mainboards? B450 vs a cheap Z370. There are again rumors about Ryzen performing better with AMD cards on PCIe 3 platforms vs Intel (unlike benchmarks with a 2080Ti)
@uP-Andre with the non K parts people would complain why they don't use the K parts... as even in stock they have higher frecuencies... people will complain everytime.
@uP-Andre you are copying and pasting your same comments in different parts of the video commentary (in reply to other peoples comments.) To answer your question, even if the 9400 was faster in gaming (it will lose badly everywhere else) it would only be slightly here and there, and would lose slightly in some games. Platform? DEAD. Nowhere else to go. Why would anyone buy that? Maybe there are scenarios (like you have a motherboard already and need a chip.) For 99% of the public, Ryzen for the win. Honestly, it's not even close. Not an AMD shrill either. I have owned plenty of Intel and AMD systems in my time.
@Keelan Steve already did a video competing 9400f and 2600x and they're about the same performance, sometimes the 9400f did win but by a very small margins, that is clear enough indication that the 3600 is simply faster than 9400f.
mihai avram assuming you want to game and only game, yes. Even having programs open in the background can change the outcome, these Ryzen chips aren’t fazed by running everything but the kitchen sink in the background
@@mihaiavram5160 Yeah and to OC the 8700k to 5.1ghz, you are going to spend 3 times the money a 3600+212evo combo needs. And all this to gain 5% more fps in 1080p and in few cases 1440p? Not worth, no matter how you look at it.
Are you going to test with 5700XT on Ryzen vs Intel? L1Tech and several others found that NV GPUs is not playing nice on the new Ryzens (again!), especially DX12 Tomb Raider and Metro.
@@LuisSantos-mk5se 5700xt is too weak as a gpu to do cpu comparisons effectively, you'd have to drop settings or resolution to push into a cpu limited scenario. The whole point of using a 2080ti is to remove the gpu bottleneck.
@@SicariusKun ok, I was exaggerating a little, but generally speaking, using the fastest GPU available is a good idea when doing CPU reviews. I guess they could go with a radeon vii, it's still AMD's fastest card, and being a bit more mature, it has fewer driver issues and bugs that could skew the results. The state of launch drivers would put me off from using a 5700xt. Review numbers have shown it coming close to a 2080ti in some games and barely matching a 2060 in others, that's a bit to wide of a margin to ensure the GPU bottleneck is removed reliably.
Since you have to have a video card to game, here are the fps per $1000 of the CPUs with the price of a 2080Ti included (cost $1210 on Newegg): 3600.....92.20 9600K...89.70 8700K...88.13 3700X...87.01 2600X...85.41 2700X...84.46 2600.....83.82 1600X...83.39 1600.....81.20 1800X...80.27 The 3600 is still better, but only by 3% and 5% over the 9600K and 8700K.' What the 3600 does give you is extra money to spend on a GPU by having the cheaper CPU. So if you compared equal dollars spent the 3600 would come out way ahead in most comparisons.
The R5 3600 is 14% faster single core and 18% faster multi core than my i7 6850k from just 3 years ago with similar cores and threads. At 30% of the original price! 7nm really helps. Finally we're making progress in the CPU market again. Thank you AMD.
Time to say goodbye to my i5 3570K, hoping that this will be a suitable replacement.Not sure if the GTX1060 is worth hanging onto to or whether to just replace everything. I'm not sure if the RTX videocards are worth the upgrade, although I like the look of the RTX 2070 super
I guess something like a Asus Crosshair VI will be enough for the 16 core behemoth as well and it has bios flashback as well so no need for older AM4 chips. Glad to see AMD hitting Intel where it hurts
I did the cost per frame math at 1440p. 3600 is 106 frames for $1.88 per frame, and 3700X is 108 frames for $3.04 per frame. 3600 seems pretty obvious for my 1440p gaming system, then. And because AMD actually has an _upgrade path_ (imagine that, Intel!), if 6 cores is not enough, I can get a 4700X later. Thanks for all the crazy fast benchmarking Steve, very useful! 😁 Side note, huge thanks to TechSpot's people in charge for not forcing the review article to be multiple pages to generate more ad views. Made scrolling through the charts to do the math very easy.
Yes and no, will it get faster? No. Will it get faster in comparison to 6 core 6 thread intel cpu's? Yes, but that is due to i5 9600k slowing down in future games due to 6 cores 6 threads.
First off - I'll say the 3600 is a better value than the 9600k, hell even the 2600 was already. But here's some food for thought: 1. Why didn't you overclock the 8700k/9600k in this comparison? People generally overclock these chips if they buy into the "k tax". The "other Steve" tested the new chips against an overclocked 9600k...and by and large the 9600k won by considerable margins in games. Is it because the new Zen 2 chips have almost no overclocking capability? This doesn't make the Zen 2 chips bad at all, but omitting OC results is a bit.....odd if you get my meaning. It would have been better to test this against non K chips, in that case, as with the way Intel is doing their SKUs there's no real world difference between a K and not K chip at stock settings. 2. The selling point of "AMD lets you upgrade, so if you bought a 1600 you can gain x%" is kind of silly. Your tests here show it being on par with a stock 8700k (not real world since almost everyone OCs this chip), which if you bought 2 years ago the net cost would have been less (1600 cost+ 3600 cost) and you would have had a better performer for the last 2 years. I have a 1600 overclocked to 4ghz, and I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade because of its application, which is 1080p/60 gaming. If I wanted high refresh I would have got an 8700k to begin with, as thelat chips performance 2 years ago is still better than the 3600 today when set up accordingly. I know you guys are excited about these new chips, and they're quite impressive, but this is how you get people accusing you of being shills.
For now the 9600k imo is the best price performance CPU for gaming if you buy it with a decent mobo and OC it well. I might be wrong but even with the 3600 costing only 200 USD, don't all X570s cost an absurd amount? Like over 200 USD? Maybe in the future when they drop I'll agree, but for now you can't simply take the CPU price, you need a mobo as well.
@@59ikm because all the new ryzens OC like dogs, it doesn't really matter that much. The B450/X470 of decent quality seem to get you nearly equal performance to X570 even on the 3900x. You just losing out on pcie4(useless for GPUs rn but helpful for SSD) and some other new features.
@@Fishingishard I see, but don't you need a bios update on B450 and X470 to use Ryzen 3000s? Not exactly great when you don't have a ryzen 2000 lying around.
@@tony001212 yeah but was pondering if it is better binned since it can clock higher... maybe boost better/more cores higher than the other one (dunno) for gaming I don't expect much difference really but I use my machine for so much more than just gaming :D
Wow, I guess I have no doubts now whats gona replace my old i5 3570. Is finally time to go back to my roots, AMD Ryzen 3600 welcome home you Performance/Price/Power Beast ! Thanks for another smooth review, full with important and well measured data.
I still feel that I did good by upgrading my 10 year old i7 930 rig to a Ryzen 2600 back in 2018. Maybe I'll go for the 4600 when that drops next year.
3600 points on R20... Not bad! I was tempted, then I ran R20 on my R5 1600 (4.0Ghz 1.36v) and it scored 3008 points... That's about 83% the performance of the 3600... I guess I'll be sticking to my 1600 for a bit longer! Great video
While I am tempted to replace my R5 1600 with one of these chips, I know that my system is most likely held back by the GPU (RX 480). What I don't know is whether my existing CPU can keep up with something like a Radeon RX 5700 XT or if I will need to upgrade the CPU at the same time. Upgrade fever - an expensive ilnesses that is particularly virulent in the tech community.
I went to vega 56 from rx480. Big increase. Bigger leap yet from 480 to 5700. I recommend waiting for an AIB 5700 for you and forget the CPU. Personally, that’s what I’d do. I won’t upgrade my Vega 56 and 1700 combo.
Heynow Steve Pleased to say that i'm back on the AMD bandwagon 🎮 butt still with Nvidia when it comes to graphics cards as i put together a Ryzen 5 3600 + 16gb ddr4 3000 + Rtx 2060 8gb Super + Asrock b450m Pro4 gaming mobo + Evga 600w 80+ gold & my Very first Intel Mvne M.2 ssd + deepcool tempered glass 4xfan Case, etc ..... after five days i can say at 1080p = beast !! haven't even tried to Overclock anything yet as Performance has just been impressive. Either way Thanx for Posting 🇵🇹
honestly, buying a four core intel processor after mid 2017 makes one the ultimate tool. They deserve all the mockery they get. AMD FX owners deserve less shame. BUT MUH CS:GO NUMBERS! Like any one but a tool cares about +200fps on an extremely intel optimised intel compiled old game. Sadly that prior fact slowly fading from the gaming market will bury intel buyers further as time goes on. Intel needs a new uArch, and a secure too for once.
When I bought the 7600K I had (and still do have) a meh GPU in a GTX Titan, which is why I wanted to maximize gaming performance compared to the then young 1000 series. In hindsight I should've gone for the 7700K but I didn't feel like I needed it. In any case my setup has served me well enough these last 2 years, and should continue to do so until a GPU upgrade next year and probably AM5 the one after.
GREAT review. This is exactly what I was looking for! Coincidentally, I ordered the MSI B450 Tomahawk a week ago to replace my H270 Tomahawk and was on the fence about ordering a Ryzen 7 2700 or Ryzen 5 3600. I ended up ordering the 3600 yesterday based on other reviews, and after seeing this review, I'M SO GLAD I DID. Looking forward to some great gaming experiences with these two components paired together. Keep up the great work and thanks again!
Can't wait... I have a 3600 coming for my daughters machine and a 3900X coming for me. So looking forward to upgrading my 2400G I bought as a stop gap last December. :)
I have a Gigabyte AB350M motherboard and Ryzen 5 1400. Now I can upgrade it to Ryzen 5 3600! I try to be objective about AMD vs Intel but AMD got me, I'm an AMD fanboy now.
Thank you for making a Ryzen 5 video. All of the bigger youtubers are making videos on the 3700x and 3900x even though the majority of viewers have a budget in mind.
It would be very interesting to see an all AMD set up ( CPU and GPU ) against Intel and Nvidia combo with regards to systems power draw and overall performance.
Cris Meman no one cares about power draw. a good psu can handle mac daddy hardware. i dont understand why people bring up power draw as an argument. if you game often its gonna cost more on your electricity bill regardless.
TWITCHIE224 right all these people worrying about spending like 3$ in electricity more every year when they spending like 300 more on the hardware. So stupid
@@twitchie2245 I live in a topical country where summer last for 4months with average of 34-35deg on a regular basis during this season electricity bill almost double the average usage so power draw is important to me.
averages are fine but the lows really matter imo. Seen some digital foundry video and they was comparing an fx to intel and the fx was holding the fps while the scenes got more intensive and the intel the fps was lower than the fx even though it was higher before when it was less intensive. The minimums erm its a give or take but the low fps yeah that matters the most. The lows can look terrible when a game is loading in and the benchmark has started before its finished properly loading in.
8700k at 5 ghz blows the 3600 away, especially in gaming. zen 2 can't overclock - www.eteknix.com/amd-theres-little-overclocking-potential-in-the-ryzen-3000/
Dear Steve, I'll start by saying that I love your benchmarks and they are one of the best in UA-cam, if not the absolute best. Having said that, I still need to point out the necessity to switch over to relative price/performance comparison. First, because as I've stated in a previous video, averaging frame rates between different games will give you the wrong results, as it places more importance (weight) on games with faster frame rates (which are less complex), and less importance on games that run slower (and are more complex, possibly more CPU demanding). Second, I've noticed that you didn't do a price/performance comparison in the productivity area, as in this case it's absolutely impossible to average the scores between productivity benchmarks, since they measure completely different things (some measure time to completion, some measure calculations per second, etc). One way to do this, is to do what you did in previous videos, which is selecting one specific benchmark and comparing those results; however, this is very flawed as it doesn't include more than one particular result, which may not reflect actual performance. So, the solution to all of these problems is to simply do a relative performance comparison. This, in the case of games, gets rid of the uneven weights placed on different games, and in the case of productivity, it allows you to average the performances in all these applications. The calculations are very simple: define a 100% baseline with the processor you're reviewing, and then calculate the performance relative to this processor (you already know how to do this) for all the other processors. Then, you can average these relative performances between different applications, even if they measure wildly different metrics. I'm more than willing to lend you a hand with these calculations if you want, just let me know! Cheers!
Hey Steve, thanks for the review! I have to disagree somewhat with your conclusion, as the 3600 seems to have roughly the same gaming performance as the i5 9400F (which currently sells for roughly 25% less). It would be silly to purchase a 9600K (and a cooler), only to run it at stock. Meanwhile, as you pointed out, OCing the 3600 is ill-advised since the gains are so minimal compared to the cost of a high-end cpu cooler. I assume in a couple years the 3600 will provide higher frame rates than a OC'd 9600k, as new games better take advantage of the extra threads, but we're not there yet.
@@genio8820 yeah without factoring aftermarket cooler/liquid cooling ofc . ryzen 5 3600 doesn't even need aftermarket cooler as it includes stock cooling . yours prolly cost more than 300 bucks and that is not even close to ryzen 5 3600 price, keep dreaming dudes .
@@genio8820 everything was stock ryzen beated 9600k stock vs stock most times and decimated 9600k in productivity. After overclock the difference would be low.
no, definitely not. I have currently GTX 1080 and Ryzen 5 1600 and the bottleneck couldn't be more painful, especially in games like BFV where I get like 50fps on 1080p XD (16gb 3200mhz ram dc)
@@socketbyte5348 to be precise i'd say there is prominent difference in games like bfv, wd2, pubg or whtw, but barely any difference in games like metro or witcher. so depending on what you gonna play...
G'day Steve, Just to get in before the Fans, This test is unfair as the R5 had PCIe4 bandwidth for the RTX2080Ti improving performance, you should redo this test with the R5 in the Intel Motherboard & the i5 in the X570 Motherboard to enable PCIe4 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 does that sound like an average Intel Fanboy complaint when AMD performs better?
At the start of the video : Comparing Ryzen 3600 with 9600/K First 5 minute : 9600/K "Why am I ever mentioned Welp. Turn out he did compare them in gaming benchmark
@@erfgthygreas1709 at what cost? While You pay a lot for z390 mobo+ AIO liquid cooler to overclock, lemme spend them on a 3600 with a b450 and a better gpu, then compare ;)
it's where the market SHOULD be, had Intel not been greedy fucks... Now we just need the same to happen in graphics... The pricehike is brutal there... 250-300 should bring you a VERY nice modern card but currently it's pretty meh (maybe Navi with a proper cooler for 300 can do it... let's see what happens.
@@LiLBitsDK The days of a GPU that price are leaving us, the price of components are going up per card each gen, example 8GB of DDR6 is over $100, a 7nm wafer is about 2K more than a 12nm wafer and so on, along with rising production and logistics cost, all this is out of AMDs hands, for an example of how a much a GPU can cost to make AMD is selling the VII at close to cost.
@Hardware Unboxed 8:20 in the video, the i7 8700k is gaining fps when moving from 1080p to 1440p in Far Cry New Dawn. Both 1% lows and avg' is higher at 1440p. All though avg only increase a slight bit, the 1% lows rise by about 10%. Margin of error stuff? edit: Forgot to say a big Thank You for the great reviews you keep doing. My go to channel for tech reviews
The only difference people don't talk about is if u were gonna build a computer with these CPUs is that if ur not a gamer then the Ryzen CPUs would require u buy a graphics card. Idk I just think it's something people should think about when u factor in a price comparison. 🤷 Awesome review none the less though 👍
The real performance champ here... is you Steve!
Thanks for all your hard work and time you put in all these videos.
Ouch...you leave a nice brown-noser comment and you still get no love from Steve-O
@@goodstuffohhyeah lol what's that supposed to mean?
Videos are so professional it’s always great
“ hard work”
Ok...
Timestamps!
00:00 Intro
00:55 Benchmark settings and explanation
03:02 Cinebench R20
03:57 WinRAR 5.71 (64-bit)
04:16 7-Zip
04:37 Premier Pro 2019 (4K 60FPS YT Export)
04:56 V-Ray Benchmark
05:16 Corona 1.3 Benchmark
05:28 Blender Open Data
05:40 System power consumption
06:11 AC: Odyssey
06:50 Battlefield V
07:19 Shadow of the Tomb Raider
07:43 The Division 2
08:10 Far Cry New Dawn
08:31 World War Z
08:56 Rage 2
09:13 Hitman 2
09:36 Total War: Three Kingdoms
09:58 Stock vs. PBO vs. OC
10:38 Temperatures
11:42 Value / Cost per frame
12:51 Conclusion and final thoughts
thank you for time stamps
You are a good man.
Not all heros wear capes!
What a hero!
Even if you was Fidel Castro's grandson i'd be grateful.
Lisa Su: *Snaps*
Intel: I don't feel so good
Nvidia: *_reeee_*
I9 9900k: i am... the inevitable
Every Zen 2 cpus ever: and i... am... Ryzen *snap*
This is on of the best comments ive ever seen
Soon return to kick some ass ?
*disintegrates half of intel's product stack*
Ryzen 5 3600 cost just $200 while Ryzen 7 3700x cost $330
That extra $130 isn't justified for the gaming so Ryzen 5 3600 is the best budget gaming CPU in 2019!!
No, ryzen 2600 is the best budget cpu
SIMO but if you go with the 3600 for the extra 50 bucks you’re even more future proof.
You can overclock the i5. It's performs better then
@@irvingpereyra4095 in my country its 75$ and thats not worth it
for gaming - not; for your status - yes
In Poland ryzen 5 3600 costs 242$. I bought yesterday r5 2600 for 151$ and I am very happy with the performance in pair with gtx 1070ti. 2nd gen ryzen is much much faster than my old pentium g4560.
I like your profile picture
That's a very good purchase, the second generation of ryzen does very well with gtx 1080 and below
@@luismvg11 The 2600 and 1600 both seem to offer excellent value, especially on the used market in the case of the 1600. I would be very curious to know what these benchmarks with the 1600 or 2600 vs. 3600 would be like when running a GPU like a 5700, 1070 ti, Vega 56, 2060 super, etc., as these seem like the class of cards most likely to be paired with a 3600 (though the 3600 is obviously good enough to pair with even a 2080 ti). Personally, I just bought a used 1070 ti because I found an amazing price which beat anything you can find new by a wide margin.
Interesting, in Germany the 3600 is even cheaper. (approx. 200€)
Everything is faster than a pentium... however, i must agree. 2600x is a very good choice(for the cache)
You guys are blazing fast! Just amazing.
As Mr Tech Deals says, this is "The Deal™"
Everyone go watch his 3600 video too, it's great.
hope you got all amd new ryzen cpu :D
@@0Wayland tech deals was a 3600 x
I've read it with his voice lol
_Tech Deals_ : *I understand that reference*
WOW AMD IS ON FIRE! competing with Nvidia & Intel simultaneously ! CRAZYYY!
Imo I dont think theyre doing that well on the GPU front
@@AcerTheRed Why not? Navi 5700XT is ~1080Ti performance for $400. That's a great deal. It's only 2% behind the 2070 Super, for $100 less. Best value GPU right now.
@@WinterCharmVT and that's before driver optimization and after market coolers
@@AcerTheRed check this review, amd smoked nvidia rtx 2080 at certain games and beating their new rtx 2070 super www.techspot.com/review/1870-amd-radeon-rx-5700/
true amd is on fire, i love this company and what is has achieved
I was planning on going to the 8 cores, but this is unbelievable!
The money saved doesn't go to gpu or anything similar, it goes to the vacation budget!
Same.
I'll guess I go for 3600 and use the 100 bucks saved for an X570 board instead of X470. 😊
Fᴇᴜᴇʀʙʟᴜᴛ [RAGEMODE] that’s been my exact thought. Doesn’t it make sense to get the x570 just in terms of upgradability?
@@masonsmart1999
I think yes because PCI 4.0 is fully compatible with PCI 3.0 and X570 also supports Ryzen 2 generation.
Additionally, this next generation board might even be compatible with the next Ryzen generation Zen2+.
So you have downgrade ability, likely upgradeable, higher RAM specs supported and next generation GPUs will most likely all be PCI 4.0 + a new generation of SSDs is right aroung the corner.
I would only buy X470 or lower if I can safe a lot. Which I don't see at the moment. Most of the X570 boards I would like are between 30 and 100 bucks more expensive. That's nothing if it prepares me for the future hardware.
i was planning for R7 2700 which is $200 in amazon.... i really wanna see the test vs. the R5 3600 cause they have the same price point for now..
@@zombeesama1169 The 3600 offers better gaming performance than the 2700X, slightly lower productivity performance, and better efficiency. The 2700 is just a slightly slower version of the 2700X. I see no reason to opt for the 2700 over the 3600.
So glad that I bought 3600 over 2600x, I'm going to assemble my first PC in a few days!
How did it go
@@morganandcars It's been amazing.
I ended up with a 3600 and a RTX 2060 SUPER, games run buttery smooth and at max settings.
Rendering videos is also fast, especially using CUDA cores.
Davide_Russo thats great!
Davide_Russo im hoping to get one soon
@@morganandcars Good luck then :)
Steve pls do 3700x on b350 performance vs b450 vs x570 when u get the chance.
That's tomorrows video mate ;)
I love you steve :')
@@Hardwareunboxed Thank You
@@Hardwareunboxed Thank you so much for that!
@@Hardwareunboxed can you please test 3600x and 3600 on a msi b450 tomahawk and show us the results i really want to see how it performs on a b450 motherboard since i am considering to buying it also will my corsair tx 550 watt good enough to run 3600x with a rx 580 8gb , thanks for this review really appreciate it
Another day, another ryzen review. :)
nick12233 😂😂😂
uP-Andre The 9400f wins only in certain cases though, and that’s when you have no other programs running except the game itself. In a real world scenario, you’ll have multiple programs running, like chrome, Spotify, etc while you play. That’s where the 3600 healthily beats the 9400f
@@Screamintatatots Also B450 supports overclocking and doesn't cap RAM speeds.
@uP-Andre right, I agree on that too. But then we can still compare it with the I7 8700 non K which basically is the I7 8700K stock, and it still has higher price. About the case of I5 9400f pure gaming may be it win on 2 3 games. However that is too small and still no bios update for Ryzen. Overall, the R5 3600 is way too value for people who do mix thing. Like Streaming while gaming then they edit that video which is so valuable.
Another point, if we do OC then we have to add the cost of mainboard + cooler. Basically compare 2 whole systems, and yes!! I7 8700K will win in game but still not win in p/p.
@uP-Andre Shitting in others comment, nice!
This felt more like you were comparing 3600 with 8700k 😂😂😂🤘
@@Catalina._ it's a hundred dollars cheaper than the 9600k, at least where I live.
@@Catalina._ 9600k is even more expensive than the R5 3600.
Makes sense since they're both 6 core parts.
@@Catalina._ Don't forget that you have to add a cooler on that.
@uP-Andre everything was at stock, so how was that misleading? Showing out of the box performance is fair play for all CPUs.
The king is dead, long live the king! his Majesty Ryzen 5 3600
@rockn roll gaming performance is pretty much the same.
Productivity gains with ryzen is on whole another level
@rockn roll future proofing boy,
And also if you want to do something in the background while playing a game is something ryzen can simply do better than intel
@Aria next gen consoles are using ryzen 3rd gen. Basically a downclocked ryzen 7
The 3600 is awesome but it is $315 in Australia and the 2600 has just gone down to $200! Id have to say that the 2600 is hands down the best value chip at the moment!
315 Australian dollars are about 220 USD
abd bach
And 200 Australian dollars is 140USD! What’s your point?
@@zeemonkeyman1 No that's not the point. you just seemed to imply that the 3600 is more expensive in Australia and i wanted to let you know that.
Simple information sharing :)
abd bach
Nah I was just comparing it to the 2600x in Australia. If I hadn’t mentioned Australia I would’ve had even more comments stating how it’s $220 not $315 etc etc
@@zeemonkeyman1 ok then! so if you're aware then there are no worries :)
Benchmark season with Steve and a cold beer, is there anything better?
Two beers.
Fishing season and several cold beers😁
🤣👍🏻, totally agreed!
#grab_popcorn
Yes, give Steve one. He deserved it :)
I've actually just replace my old 2600x for the 3600. So far really happy with the puchase, didn't expect a noticable difference, but it's definetely a lot faster.
Runs at around 4Ghz all core under heavy load, sometimes dips to 3950mhz. Temps maxed out for me around 72C, but I'm using an aftermarket aircooler.
Glad to see amd back in the saddle
nada not gonna say that upgrade was pointless, but it was unnecessary
What GPU are you coupled with?
@Productivity if he plays any competitive game or has a high refresh rate monitor it is worth the upgrade.
I have a 1600 but only upgrading next year if Cyberpunk2077 benefits from it which it probably will
@@mikeramos91 yeah my mate Brough a 2600x couple weeks ago and said he wanted to upgrade to a 3600x. I said to him you're not gonna notice much. 2600x is at 249.00 aud atm which is cheap Af. No better time than now to build last gen haha.
@@mikeramos91 i agree. if he paired it with a high end graphic card, the difference might be noticeable. but anything below 2070 super, not worth it imho
Please do 3600 vs 3600x and 3700x vs 3800x comparisons!
3600 vs 3600x vs 2600 vs 2600x please. Interesting to see, since 2600 and 2600x are now much cheaper, so is performance bump worth the cost difference?
Really looking forward to 3600x vs 3700x in games.
the 3800x is garbo, it is literally the dame thing as the 3700x, just more money
And with 1overclocked result
Aren't they just the same chip with different clock speeds (making the difference in naming schemes pretty confusing)? In both cases you're probably going to see a 5% bump in speeds across the board.
Microcenter in the US has the R5 2600 for $119.99. As much as I'd love to go 3rd gen, I simply can't pass that up.
DrFeelgood 2700 is now $150 new.....
@@techbuildspcs and 2700x is only $10 more. Great time to be a PC enthusiast! If I wasn't currently in the process of buying a house I'd be building another system for sure.
@@DefenderTIM yep. Unfortunately I can only afford the 2600 now. Should I have up and go for the 3600? Thinking for waiting for black Friday sells.
I am still getting the r5 2600 at $140 on Amazon because that deal is still the best :) But this new 3600 is a nice improvement over the older Ryzen R5 2600.
AMD is doing great at the moment. Next build is definitely going to be a 3600 with a 5700XT graphics card. Good job AMD and great reviews as always Hardware Unboxed
Yeah, thanks to AMD, you can finally build a decent PC under $1000 again.
Winter Charm never thought I’d see the day I’d buy all red team but you can’t argue with the value you get with AMD right now. And I’d happily give them my money now so they can innovate more in the future
@@WinterCharmVT i can send you 1000$ pc build pc part picker list if you want
@@WinterCharmVT pcpartpicker.com/list/PYGBw6
@@Saigonas I love how you put an Intel SSD in the build, it's like inviting the weird kid in the group so he does not feel left out. :P
Intel: hey have the same CPUs again in a "different platform", for higher prices!!
AMD: cowabunga it is
Hang ten.
To be fair, you can use 9th gen in z370. Too bad not a single 9th gen 6 core cpu has hyper threading.
Rubbish. An intel i5 at HALF the price of a new AMD Ryzen CPU out performs AMD in Battlefield 5.
@@khoado2060 No, I am saying the i5 outperforms the Ryzen 3900X ! That is a little Intel 6 core CPU outperforming a twice as expensive AMD 12 core, 24 thread 'elite gaming' cpu..... Remember if you buy entry level CPUs, you are going to have to upgrade sooner and that can be more expensive.
@@khoado2060 static.techspot.com/articles-info/1869/bench/BFV_1440p.png
Every time Steve uploads a new video and the notification pops up it's an *instant click.*
We all need to the appreciate the attention to detail in his reviews that we rarely find nowadays.
3600 + cheap mb + used 1080ti = best price performance pc ever
Well matched! Agree.
Exactly what I did!
x570 gaming plus is a cheap mb for you? :') but i still got a used 1080 ti
Noooo....b450 tomahawk
@@WonderfulMiwasak b450 gaming plus, b450 tomahawk or b450m mortar. but you should get one of the new max versions because those have special bios for 3rd gen ryzen.
1 moment of silence for ubisoft's optimization
For which processor
@@Rawat-nn2yq also 1 minute silence for any epic games game optimization (im looking at you gta)
@@webblit754 what does epic games have to do with GTA? They just made it free for 1 week
Also 1 minute of silence for the Corona 1.3 Benchmark.
Linus from LTT noticed that Ryzen 3900x performs better in BFV when core affinity is used, maybe something you could also explore.
I think it was Anthony who noticed:)
Yeah pls
What is core affinity? Pls enlighten me
@@soraaoixxthebluesky its something u set on Windows so a given program will only be executed on certain cores
In ryzen case, setting the game to run only on multiples cores physically close to each other improves performance
can you compare different RAM speeds with the Ryzen 3600?
please!
Check his 3900x,3700x review video
the 3rd gen CPU's don't rely on memory speed that much anymore
@@cjbowlan yeah,,even i'm using A320+DDR4 2400MHz still achieve high performance, very little performance compare to X570 with DDR3200
RIP intel i5 series. This is good for consumer for better performance over price. Now only GPU is the problem. Hope AMD do something with NGREEDIA card
AMD already did go see Rx 5700 xt review here on this channel.
9600KF RYZEN KILLER HE HE
@@alexoliversantos7285 want more jokes like this😂
I5 9600k mempunyai harga yang sama yang sama seperti ryzen 3600x. Saya menunggu ulasan 9600KF sebelum membuat keputusan.
Great review! As for us 2600 (and even 1600) owners, it would be cool to see a 2600 vs 3600 video with budget RAM (16GB) and B450 boards, as well a 1440p card like the RTX 2060 super or the 5700XT. This would make us see if the upgrade is worth it.
I want to see this too!
1600 against 3600 please for me
Yaass! Running B350+2200G now, very interesting to see how the 3600 fares on the 1st gen chipset.
PLEASE compare the 3800X. Im curious how the higher clock base compares to the others.
BTW: Keep it up and thank you
None has this yet
Agreed, but it looks like AMD has only been sending out 3900x, 3700x, and 3600.. Likely because they represent the best value at each product level.
@@giggyolly In both reviews of 3600 I've seen the CPUs weren't sent by AMD.
@@giggyolly I'm very curious about the 3800X. Based on the specs it looks like very bad value compared to the 3700X.
A higher base clock does not matter. Most motherboards will run all core overclocks at 4 GHz or greater on all X sku CPU's either way. No matter what your base clock is it can't give you better performance than a higher clock speed.
Awesome, just swapping out my 1700X for the 3600 now. Can't wait for that better IPC and clock speed, all with a much more friendly TDP. Hooray AMD! EDIT: Did an evening's worth of gaming etc, with a Coolermaster 120mm AIO she sits at a constant 4.2GHz without a sweat and effortlessly maxes out my heavily overclocked 1070Ti. Utilization is about 20 to 30% at 1080p Ultra. Awesome!
@@blitzwing1 this is a big part for me. I remember the clock-speed wars of the late 90' and early 2000's, and reading about hyperthreading as 'an interesting new theory' - exciting times!
I loved my 1700X but it was under-utilised in my application and often buggy due to power spikes and multi-core switching. I just installed the 3600 after updating the bios on my X370-I ROG Strix and everything seems great so far. The TDP and efficiency is a big deal for my application as its an ITX build and generally used for 2 to 5 hours an evening in a quiet environment.
In my experience it's more effective to swap out hardware when the old stuff still has some value on the used market - I'll likely be able to sell the 1700X for close to what I bought it for after the Ryzen 2nd gen release.
no offense but thats a horrible decision
@Ivan Dobrev Depends entirely on what you do with your computer. For example since Photoshop likes clock speed and IPC more than a lot of cores it will be noticeable improvement because of the better IPC and clocks even with 2 less cores. Same for Lightroom and maybe even Premiere. Plus if you are doing a lot of compression or decompression it will also be a decent upgrade.
@@RonaldoFan-zz9rk you're an Intel shill though aren't you. Name rings a bell sorry
@matej nemec the 3600 at stock levels is better than my 1700X ever was at any time. Its also a bargain - another reason I bought it.
Here i have it!! Finally, I'm so happy.
Much thanks for all the graphs that make this a easy buy.
Wow the competition is not even with i5 Intel processors but Ryzen 5 3600 is head to head with core i7
This is amazing. AMD have come so much far with Ryzen CPUs.
The most amazing thing is they cost way less than Intel. WOW
Hell yeah. I ordered this CPU 5 minutes after the release because I knew from leaked benchmarks and from what we already know about 6 core 12 thread Ryzen parts. And it looks like I couldn't have been more right in my purchase decision :) Price/performance king!
Really appreciate you Steve going out of your way to buy this 3600 and review it straight away. This is the first review I've seen where we can see how it compares to the 3700X. I wanted to know if the higher binned 3700X would provide higher framerates in any significant way and thankfully, what I suspected was true. Almost neck and neck with the 3700X since after 6c12t you get diminishing returns in gaming, at least for now.
Could you make a benchmark video R5 3600 vs i5 9600K with a 5700XT on cheaper mainboards? B450 vs a cheap Z370. There are again rumors about Ryzen performing better with AMD cards on PCIe 3 platforms vs Intel (unlike benchmarks with a 2080Ti)
@uP-Andre / copy paste? Yeah don't stress that too much.
Some Intel chips can't even do 4.8 stable, stupid silicon lottery screws us all.
@uP-Andre with the non K parts people would complain why they don't use the K parts... as even in stock they have higher frecuencies... people will complain everytime.
@uP-Andre you are copying and pasting your same comments in different parts of the video commentary (in reply to other peoples comments.) To answer your question, even if the 9400 was faster in gaming (it will lose badly everywhere else) it would only be slightly here and there, and would lose slightly in some games. Platform? DEAD. Nowhere else to go. Why would anyone buy that? Maybe there are scenarios (like you have a motherboard already and need a chip.) For 99% of the public, Ryzen for the win. Honestly, it's not even close. Not an AMD shrill either. I have owned plenty of Intel and AMD systems in my time.
@Keelan Steve already did a video competing 9400f and 2600x and they're about the same performance, sometimes the 9400f did win but by a very small margins, that is clear enough indication that the 3600 is simply faster than 9400f.
anything below an 8700k seems fodder to the 3600 just to much performance at 200
I7 8700k easy overclock 5-5.1ghz is faster in games and single core,beats any ryzen 3000 IN GAMES!!
@@mihaiavram5160 how much tho?🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
mihai avram assuming you want to game and only game, yes. Even having programs open in the background can change the outcome, these Ryzen chips aren’t fazed by running everything but the kitchen sink in the background
@@mihaiavram5160 For 50% more price, require more expensive motherboard and no cooler out of the box, yeah, i'll stick to AMD THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
@@mihaiavram5160 Yeah and to OC the 8700k to 5.1ghz, you are going to spend 3 times the money a 3600+212evo combo needs. And all this to gain 5% more fps in 1080p and in few cases 1440p? Not worth, no matter how you look at it.
Are you going to test with 5700XT on Ryzen vs Intel? L1Tech and several others found that NV GPUs is not playing nice on the new Ryzens (again!), especially DX12 Tomb Raider and Metro.
THIS! Please use the latest 5700XT to compare the 3600 and 8700k/9600k so we can see what's going on!
@@LuisSantos-mk5se 5700xt is too weak as a gpu to do cpu comparisons effectively, you'd have to drop settings or resolution to push into a cpu limited scenario. The whole point of using a 2080ti is to remove the gpu bottleneck.
@@cmdrflint9115 it's true that the 2080ti is the best GPU but the 5700xt is no slouch. It'll do just fine on these tests.
well it does almost match a 1080ti and that gpu is fine @1080p
@@SicariusKun ok, I was exaggerating a little, but generally speaking, using the fastest GPU available is a good idea when doing CPU reviews.
I guess they could go with a radeon vii, it's still AMD's fastest card, and being a bit more mature, it has fewer driver issues and bugs that could skew the results.
The state of launch drivers would put me off from using a 5700xt. Review numbers have shown it coming close to a 2080ti in some games and barely matching a 2060 in others, that's a bit to wide of a margin to ensure the GPU bottleneck is removed reliably.
Since you have to have a video card to game, here are the fps per $1000 of the CPUs with the price of a 2080Ti included (cost $1210 on Newegg):
3600.....92.20
9600K...89.70
8700K...88.13
3700X...87.01
2600X...85.41
2700X...84.46
2600.....83.82
1600X...83.39
1600.....81.20
1800X...80.27
The 3600 is still better, but only by 3% and 5% over the 9600K and 8700K.'
What the 3600 does give you is extra money to spend on a GPU by having the cheaper CPU. So if you compared equal dollars spent the 3600 would come out way ahead in most comparisons.
The R5 3600 is 14% faster single core and 18% faster multi core than my i7 6850k from just 3 years ago with similar cores and threads. At 30% of the original price! 7nm really helps. Finally we're making progress in the CPU market again. Thank you AMD.
Time to say goodbye to my i5 3570K, hoping that this will be a suitable replacement.Not sure if the GTX1060 is worth hanging onto to or whether to just replace everything. I'm not sure if the RTX videocards are worth the upgrade, although I like the look of the RTX 2070 super
I'm doing the same thing mate, my 3570k has served me well all these years but it just doesnt cut it anymore. 3700 seems like an excellent replacement
Same to my old 2500k :)
hey, i5 3570k club! Have been thinking of getting a zen2 cpu too, not really sure which one though.
Same finally letting the i5 3570k rest after running at 4.6ghz for many years ;( Going with the Ryzen 3600!
I'm here for the retired 3570k send off party.
Basically confirming I'll get the 3700x at this point. Next stop, AIB Navi
C'mon Sapphire. Gimme dat Pulse and Nitro+ models for the 5700 and 5700XT.
I guess something like a Asus Crosshair VI will be enough for the 16 core behemoth as well and it has bios flashback as well so no need for older AM4 chips. Glad to see AMD hitting Intel where it hurts
I did the cost per frame math at 1440p. 3600 is 106 frames for $1.88 per frame, and 3700X is 108 frames for $3.04 per frame.
3600 seems pretty obvious for my 1440p gaming system, then. And because AMD actually has an _upgrade path_ (imagine that, Intel!), if 6 cores is not enough, I can get a 4700X later.
Thanks for all the crazy fast benchmarking Steve, very useful! 😁
Side note, huge thanks to TechSpot's people in charge for not forcing the review article to be multiple pages to generate more ad views. Made scrolling through the charts to do the math very easy.
yep with this price it demolish Intel to pieces :)
It's really nice seeing both companies push each other to keep raising the bar for consumer computing in general. This is a good time to be into PC's.
Sold my 1700x to get this :) Can't be happier!
are u a premedonna? u jsut got a cpu last year
Remember that the ryzen 3600 might get faster with new updates like ryzen 1000 series did.
Yes and no, will it get faster? No. Will it get faster in comparison to 6 core 6 thread intel cpu's? Yes, but that is due to i5 9600k slowing down in future games due to 6 cores 6 threads.
First off - I'll say the 3600 is a better value than the 9600k, hell even the 2600 was already.
But here's some food for thought:
1. Why didn't you overclock the 8700k/9600k in this comparison? People generally overclock these chips if they buy into the "k tax". The "other Steve" tested the new chips against an overclocked 9600k...and by and large the 9600k won by considerable margins in games. Is it because the new Zen 2 chips have almost no overclocking capability? This doesn't make the Zen 2 chips bad at all, but omitting OC results is a bit.....odd if you get my meaning. It would have been better to test this against non K chips, in that case, as with the way Intel is doing their SKUs there's no real world difference between a K and not K chip at stock settings.
2. The selling point of "AMD lets you upgrade, so if you bought a 1600 you can gain x%" is kind of silly. Your tests here show it being on par with a stock 8700k (not real world since almost everyone OCs this chip), which if you bought 2 years ago the net cost would have been less (1600 cost+ 3600 cost) and you would have had a better performer for the last 2 years. I have a 1600 overclocked to 4ghz, and I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade because of its application, which is 1080p/60 gaming. If I wanted high refresh I would have got an 8700k to begin with, as thelat chips performance 2 years ago is still better than the 3600 today when set up accordingly.
I know you guys are excited about these new chips, and they're quite impressive, but this is how you get people accusing you of being shills.
Exactly, the 9400f should've been put against the 3600 if you're not overclocking the the 9600k
For now the 9600k imo is the best price performance CPU for gaming if you buy it with a decent mobo and OC it well. I might be wrong but even with the 3600 costing only 200 USD, don't all X570s cost an absurd amount? Like over 200 USD? Maybe in the future when they drop I'll agree, but for now you can't simply take the CPU price, you need a mobo as well.
@@59ikm No one's gonna use a 3600 with a x570. The majority will probably use it with b450 and such.
@@59ikm because all the new ryzens OC like dogs, it doesn't really matter that much. The B450/X470 of decent quality seem to get you nearly equal performance to X570 even on the 3900x. You just losing out on pcie4(useless for GPUs rn but helpful for SSD) and some other new features.
@@Fishingishard I see, but don't you need a bios update on B450 and X470 to use Ryzen 3000s? Not exactly great when you don't have a ryzen 2000 lying around.
You and gamers Nexus, if I want extremely technical info, are the 2 best channels I've found. Thank you for being so thorough!
Glad to see this channel growing steadily
Thank you for all the hard work that yield results which we’re always anticipating!
5:23 Good to know it can fight viruses.
came all the way down to find a comment abt this
@@nathanaguilar9642 same
Wow, I was looking for a comment like this
#HUB any chance for 3600 vs 3600X ? worth the extra price/tdp etc.? or better to go up to 3700X and skip 3600X or is 3600 fine? :D
The 3600X is only 3-5% faster than the 3600 but costs 25-30% more, not worth in my opinion
Overclock 3600 and get 3600X.
The unique difference is in frequency, 200mhz, so in my opinion it isn't worth paying the extra 50 bucks, already got the 3600 to use with my b450 mb
@@jb2zero0six5 I can't be bothered with OC, I just want stuff to WORK and pref as cool n quiet as possible but delivering GOOD performance.
@@tony001212 yeah but was pondering if it is better binned since it can clock higher... maybe boost better/more cores higher than the other one (dunno) for gaming I don't expect much difference really but I use my machine for so much more than just gaming :D
Wow, I guess I have no doubts now whats gona replace my old i5 3570. Is finally time to go back to my roots, AMD Ryzen 3600 welcome home you Performance/Price/Power Beast ! Thanks for another smooth review, full with important and well measured data.
I still feel that I did good by upgrading my 10 year old i7 930 rig to a Ryzen 2600 back in 2018. Maybe I'll go for the 4600 when that drops next year.
Great review Steve! Keep it up!
Ryzen 5 3600 vs Intel i7 2600K vs Ryzen 5 2600x and I7 8700k and I5 9400F Next Benchmark please :)
Steve can you test ryzen vs intel with amd GPUs?
Some numbers seem weird and I wonder if Nvidia drivers work well with ryzen 3000.
Блин, ребят, вы один из самых классных техноблогеров Ютуба!) Спасибо за обзор
3600 points on R20... Not bad! I was tempted, then I ran R20 on my R5 1600 (4.0Ghz 1.36v) and it scored 3008 points... That's about 83% the performance of the 3600... I guess I'll be sticking to my 1600 for a bit longer! Great video
While I am tempted to replace my R5 1600 with one of these chips, I know that my system is most likely held back by the GPU (RX 480). What I don't know is whether my existing CPU can keep up with something like a Radeon RX 5700 XT or if I will need to upgrade the CPU at the same time.
Upgrade fever - an expensive ilnesses that is particularly virulent in the tech community.
Fuck it! If you dont do streaming for a living or doing job that requires better hardware,just wait for major proce drops
I went to vega 56 from rx480. Big increase. Bigger leap yet from 480 to 5700. I recommend waiting for an AIB 5700 for you and forget the CPU. Personally, that’s what I’d do. I won’t upgrade my Vega 56 and 1700 combo.
Just keep it like this and save in for a better gpu and cpu so yoi can buy them at the same time
You'll be bottle necking your card if you get a rx5700XT. I think the non XT version should be fine though.
@@Klust413 my bad forgot about that bit. i see you've covered for me though
Unless there may be future performance, I think it might be efficient to undervolt the 3600 instead!
Best buy, period.
Yeah i shop there too
I’ll buy it from Best Buy
Heynow Steve Pleased to say that i'm back on the AMD bandwagon 🎮 butt still with Nvidia when it comes to graphics cards as i put together a Ryzen 5 3600 + 16gb ddr4 3000 + Rtx 2060 8gb Super + Asrock b450m Pro4 gaming mobo + Evga 600w 80+ gold & my Very first Intel Mvne M.2 ssd + deepcool tempered glass 4xfan Case, etc ..... after five days i can say at 1080p = beast !! haven't even tried to Overclock anything yet as Performance has just been impressive. Either way Thanx for Posting 🇵🇹
Just got this! Been waiting all week for my mobo to get in and today is the day!
Rubbing the salt into the folks who bought 7600ks even more. RIP
honestly, buying a four core intel processor after mid 2017 makes one the ultimate tool. They deserve all the mockery they get. AMD FX owners deserve less shame.
BUT MUH CS:GO NUMBERS! Like any one but a tool cares about +200fps on an extremely intel optimised intel compiled old game. Sadly that prior fact slowly fading from the gaming market will bury intel buyers further as time goes on. Intel needs a new uArch, and a secure too for once.
When I bought the 7600K I had (and still do have) a meh GPU in a GTX Titan, which is why I wanted to maximize gaming performance compared to the then young 1000 series. In hindsight I should've gone for the 7700K but I didn't feel like I needed it.
In any case my setup has served me well enough these last 2 years, and should continue to do so until a GPU upgrade next year and probably AM5 the one after.
OUCH!
@Jeff T But wasn't the big selling point of current Ryzen is massive IPC gains by memory optimizations, Ryzen's sore point?
@@anasevi9456 FX is trash nothing you can said good about it
Great works! Will there be any video about overclocking 3rd gen ryzen with B450 motherbaord soon?
Will you be doing a video on the new zen+ apu's?
I'd love to see some 3400G graphics tests
GREAT review. This is exactly what I was looking for! Coincidentally, I ordered the MSI B450 Tomahawk a week ago to replace my H270 Tomahawk and was on the fence about ordering a Ryzen 7 2700 or Ryzen 5 3600. I ended up ordering the 3600 yesterday based on other reviews, and after seeing this review, I'M SO GLAD I DID. Looking forward to some great gaming experiences with these two components paired together. Keep up the great work and thanks again!
Can't wait... I have a 3600 coming for my daughters machine and a 3900X coming for me. So looking forward to upgrading my 2400G I bought as a stop gap last December. :)
Here, the 3600 is 215€ and 2600 130€.... Ill choose 2600 as upgrade for my 1400....
Fantastic product! I am going to buy AMD stock!
3rd gen ryzen: *exists*
AMD to intel: *shame
I have a Gigabyte AB350M motherboard and Ryzen 5 1400. Now I can upgrade it to Ryzen 5 3600! I try to be objective about AMD vs Intel but AMD got me, I'm an AMD fanboy now.
Thank you for making a Ryzen 5 video. All of the bigger youtubers are making videos on the 3700x and 3900x even though the majority of viewers have a budget in mind.
It would be very interesting to see an all AMD set up ( CPU and GPU ) against Intel and Nvidia combo with regards to systems power draw and overall performance.
Cris Meman no one cares about power draw. a good psu can handle mac daddy hardware. i dont understand why people bring up power draw as an argument. if you game often its gonna cost more on your electricity bill regardless.
TWITCHIE224 right all these people worrying about spending like 3$ in electricity more every year when they spending like 300 more on the hardware. So stupid
@@twitchie2245 I live in a topical country where summer last for 4months with average of 34-35deg on a regular basis during this season electricity bill almost double the average usage so power draw is important to me.
6:10 It's only me that only check min 1% and dont care abouut average fps?
Fuck yeah i do the same dude, 200fps are useless if you have micro stutters
@@Gonbatfire exactly!
@@Gonbatfire then again an average of 7fps wouldn't be great, stutter or not 😂
@@robbiejames1466 Nothing here is getting 7fps averavage though. But some chips are dipping into the 30's due to 100% cpu usage.
averages are fine but the lows really matter imo. Seen some digital foundry video and they was comparing an fx to intel and the fx was holding the fps while the scenes got more intensive and the intel the fps was lower than the fx even though it was higher before when it was less intensive. The minimums erm its a give or take but the low fps yeah that matters the most. The lows can look terrible when a game is loading in and the benchmark has started before its finished properly loading in.
Looks like AMD has found their i5 2500k .
except the 2500k is dogshit compared to the 3600
@@zebrad Well the 2500k is 11 years old.
@@zebrad That's... not the point.
@@zebrad price to performance duhh
lovin my 8700k's right bout now. nice of you to leave it on the list.
8700k at 5 ghz blows the 3600 away, especially in gaming. zen 2 can't overclock - www.eteknix.com/amd-theres-little-overclocking-potential-in-the-ryzen-3000/
Dear Steve, I'll start by saying that I love your benchmarks and they are one of the best in UA-cam, if not the absolute best. Having said that, I still need to point out the necessity to switch over to relative price/performance comparison. First, because as I've stated in a previous video, averaging frame rates between different games will give you the wrong results, as it places more importance (weight) on games with faster frame rates (which are less complex), and less importance on games that run slower (and are more complex, possibly more CPU demanding).
Second, I've noticed that you didn't do a price/performance comparison in the productivity area, as in this case it's absolutely impossible to average the scores between productivity benchmarks, since they measure completely different things (some measure time to completion, some measure calculations per second, etc). One way to do this, is to do what you did in previous videos, which is selecting one specific benchmark and comparing those results; however, this is very flawed as it doesn't include more than one particular result, which may not reflect actual performance. So, the solution to all of these problems is to simply do a relative performance comparison. This, in the case of games, gets rid of the uneven weights placed on different games, and in the case of productivity, it allows you to average the performances in all these applications. The calculations are very simple: define a 100% baseline with the processor you're reviewing, and then calculate the performance relative to this processor (you already know how to do this) for all the other processors. Then, you can average these relative performances between different applications, even if they measure wildly different metrics. I'm more than willing to lend you a hand with these calculations if you want, just let me know!
Cheers!
The only thing Intel has going for it is basically inertia at this point.
Why oh why you did not benchmark the most important game for testing CPUs' capabilities - CSGO!?
Very true
csgo is heavily favoring intel by the way the game was coded
@@asitonph except some other bench marks shower that AMD beat Intel
Still enjoying my FX-8350. 😀👍
Can´t wait to get my Sample on Friday!
Keep on the great vids Steve our Benchmarkking!
Hey Steve, thanks for the review! I have to disagree somewhat with your conclusion, as the 3600 seems to have roughly the same gaming performance as the i5 9400F (which currently sells for roughly 25% less). It would be silly to purchase a 9600K (and a cooler), only to run it at stock. Meanwhile, as you pointed out, OCing the 3600 is ill-advised since the gains are so minimal compared to the cost of a high-end cpu cooler.
I assume in a couple years the 3600 will provide higher frame rates than a OC'd 9600k, as new games better take advantage of the extra threads, but we're not there yet.
Absolutely no need to buy another i5 again.
Please no more Ryzen 3000 review. Intel CPU already dead.
I agree with the first part
9600KF RYZEN KILLER HE HE
Lol tell that ti my 9600k running at 5ghz with no sweat, it costed me about the same of a 3600 and makes about 20fps more in every game
@@genio8820 yeah without factoring aftermarket cooler/liquid cooling ofc . ryzen 5 3600 doesn't even need aftermarket cooler as it includes stock cooling . yours prolly cost more than 300 bucks and that is not even close to ryzen 5 3600 price, keep dreaming dudes .
@@genio8820 everything was stock ryzen beated 9600k stock vs stock most times and decimated 9600k in productivity. After overclock the difference would be low.
without 2080ti you can barely detect reallife ingame difference between 3600 and 1600 ryzens.
no, definitely not. I have currently GTX 1080 and Ryzen 5 1600 and the bottleneck couldn't be more painful, especially in games like BFV where I get like 50fps on 1080p XD (16gb 3200mhz ram dc)
@@socketbyte5348 to be precise i'd say there is prominent difference in games like bfv, wd2, pubg or whtw, but barely any difference in games like metro or witcher. so depending on what you gonna play...
Intel still gaming king ! Price to performance is only for budget gamers !
i was waiting for your review and i was not disappointed
damn that 3600 is a beast
thank you man for all of your work
your fan from middle east :D
G'day Steve,
Just to get in before the Fans, This test is unfair as the R5 had PCIe4 bandwidth for the RTX2080Ti improving performance,
you should redo this test with the R5 in the Intel Motherboard & the i5 in the X570 Motherboard to enable PCIe4 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
does that sound like an average Intel Fanboy complaint when AMD performs better?
ROFL
At the start of the video : Comparing Ryzen 3600 with 9600/K
First 5 minute : 9600/K "Why am I ever mentioned
Welp. Turn out he did compare them in gaming benchmark
Febri Eka Setyawan overclock the 9600 k and it’s game over
@@erfgthygreas1709 at what cost? While You pay a lot for z390 mobo+ AIO liquid cooler to overclock, lemme spend them on a 3600 with a b450 and a better gpu, then compare ;)
Andrei Rusea you can overclock with a z370 motherboard. U can get a cheap 120mm liquid cooler
@@erfgthygreas1709 man, every z370 is more than b450 and every cooler is more than none
What happens when you can get an 9600k for $200 and you already have a cooler
crazy CPU, for $199 it is a "budget" CPU but I wouldn't consider it's performance budget tbh
it's where the market SHOULD be, had Intel not been greedy fucks... Now we just need the same to happen in graphics... The pricehike is brutal there... 250-300 should bring you a VERY nice modern card but currently it's pretty meh (maybe Navi with a proper cooler for 300 can do it... let's see what happens.
I5 9600f only $150 with same performance for gaming
@@LiLBitsDK $400 for rx 5700xt is good deal for me
@@LiLBitsDK
The days of a GPU that price are leaving us, the price of components are going up per card each gen, example 8GB of DDR6 is over $100, a 7nm wafer is about 2K more than a 12nm wafer and so on, along with rising production and logistics cost, all this is out of AMDs hands, for an example of how a much a GPU can cost to make AMD is selling the VII at close to cost.
@Hardware Unboxed
8:20 in the video, the i7 8700k is gaining fps when moving from 1080p to 1440p in Far Cry New Dawn. Both 1% lows and avg' is higher at 1440p. All though avg only increase a slight bit, the 1% lows rise by about 10%.
Margin of error stuff?
edit: Forgot to say a big Thank You for the great reviews you keep doing. My go to channel for tech reviews
Thanks for the video. You have helped me choose the 3600 on my new gaming rig build! Was so close to overspending on a 9600k
We did it boys, Intel is no more
lol
This is not even the X version which have a much higher clock freq.
In practice the X model is barely faster than the non-X thanks to PBO.
i5/i7 were already bad choice. They are now irrelevant products.
@Rommie Samboski yup I agree
This is unbelievable performance plain and simple.
The only difference people don't talk about is if u were gonna build a computer with these CPUs is that if ur not a gamer then the Ryzen CPUs would require u buy a graphics card. Idk I just think it's something people should think about when u factor in a price comparison. 🤷 Awesome review none the less though 👍
True. But I can get a Radeon 550 or 560 for $100.