Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge | BBC News
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Boeing has agreed to plead guilty to a criminal fraud conspiracy charge after the US found the company violated a deal meant to reform it after two fatal crashes by its 737 Max planes that killed 346 passengers and crew.
The Department of Justice (DoJ) said the plane-maker had also agreed to pay a criminal fine of $243.6m (£190m).
However, the families of the people who died on the flights five years ago have criticised it as a "sweetheart deal" that would allow Boeing to avoid full responsibility for the deaths.
The settlement must now be approved by a US judge.
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So they plead guilty, pay a fine and no one is held accountable. What BS.
It is BS
the M.I.C. rules
@lw1zfog yea exactly. Boeing are huge part of it
Boeing fined 263 million after criminal fraud case resulting from 2 plane crashes and many lives lost
Donald Trump fined 363 million after civil fraud case "alleging" he "overstated" the value of some assets.
Boeing fined 263 million after criminal fraud case resulting from 2 plane crashes and many lives lost
Donald Trump fined 363 million after civil fraud case "alleging" he "overstated" the value of some assets.
Unless you put executives responsible in prison, nothing will ever change.
American is a full-blown capitalist system. In such a political system, rich people rarely get held responsible. Even if this had gone to trial, the people at the top making the decisions would not have been punished. It would have been those lower down copping the blame and the executives walking away, slapping themselves on the back and giving themselves bonuses for getting away with it.
It’ll change bc they get rid of the incompetent leaders. It’s not like this is a common or chronic problem.
Untill CEOs are put in jail
They wont listen 😊
SHAREHOLDERS, NOT CEOS!!!!
They build MANY military planes, satellites, helicopters, missiles to the US military.
I don’t think locking up the CEO will have the outcome you think it will.
This “fine” is just imaginary. It doesn’t get paid ever and we move on and forget all about it.
That’s how this works.
Same for Northrop, Lockheed and all the others. It’s called good buisness.
@@TheRealEtaoinShrdluAll of them should go
And the armies of evil middle managers too tbh
Absolutely
criminal activity that kills 346 people should be jail time not a fine
Yea they got fined the same as a lottery win.
That's not even a fine. Boeing already made that money back by selling just TWO planes.
Oh look. Hundreds are dead because greedy CEO's wanted to make more money. Are they going to prison? No? Of course not. Prison is for 'little' people who nick sandwiches from Walmart.
Companies don't make decisions; company CEO's do.
This isn't justice if people avoid going to prison.
CEO's are beholden to the board of directors, opposed the board get deposed as CEO. Blame the board
@@ndbangling7332 blame all of them. They *all* care more about lining their pockets than the safety of people.
How is there no criminal conviction for a criminal justice case?
The cost of the next Boeing military contract will cover that fine nicely.
You need a part for an Apache helicopter you say?
We just had price adjustments so let me get my calculator. That bolt was $10 but now it’s $40. You still want it?
See how these things work? That’s also now a $40 bolt to TAXPAYERS!
They also paid $2.5b in 2021 for the max incidents.
Just paid $440m to airlines for loss of business.
They bought Spirit airlines for $4b
They seem to have more than enough money to not cut corners in the first place FFS 😂
@@jamm8284 A homeless person thinks you have more than enough money too.
TERRIBLE ANALOGY. Try again 👍
Define “more than enough money” to a CEO and a homeless person. Go ahead, do it.
what are you fighting about idiot you were attacking boeing and now youre defending them. the cro and board should be put in prison
Got away with it then. Pay £250m for decisions that probably saved them 10x that.
Boeing was once the pride of America ! It is now a HUGE EMBARRASSMENT ! 🤨🤨🤨🤨
Thanks to McDonall Douglas
Boeing fined 263 million after criminal fraud case resulting from 2 plane crashes and many lives lost
Donald Trump fined 363 million after civil fraud case "alleging" he "overstated" the value of some assets.
Indeed.
@@stuartd9741 yes indeed
What about charges for the silenced whistle blowers?
Hopefully some justice there.
Avoid flying Boeing aircrafts if you can. If you have a choice, book your flight on an Airbus.
The Ethiopian and Indonesian pilots did not follow decades-old standard procedures which would have allowed them to avoid crashing the planes. The safety statistics about Boeing planes completely disprove any alarmist nonsense.
@@robroilen4441bs!
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That's exactly what I do now. I fly between Scotland and South Africa and since there is no direct flight I often have to connect via Paris, Frankfurt, London, Amsterdam etc and usually that short flight is either a 737 or an Airbus A320 and when i can I go for the flight with the A320. The 737 puts the fear of god in me. Always😢😭😭
The old lady of the skies the 747 is still awesome and luckily Air France and Lufthansa still use 747s on the South Africa route
@@robroilen4441 Is your life so worthless that you want to gamble with Boeing's credibility?
@@robroilen4441 there's more to it than that. There are clear and unresolved quality control and culture problems at Boeing.
Deaths resulted from Boeing decisions, the chain of executives (Inc non-executive directors) involved in those decisions should be jailed. Tough at the top...if you want the money you take responsibility to. JAIL!
What a spit in the face
Convenient how the company just pays money and the individual people responsible for all of this are allowed to do it again and again.
...and the dead whistleblowers?🤨
I wonder where that money goes. Definitely not to victim families
Boeing is not ‘a plane maker’
It’s an aerospace and defence company, they make lots of military equipment too
In America, "all corporations are created equal,” and of course a “government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations.” Screw the people.
Must be nice to be able to buy your way out of jail after the deaths of HUNDREDS of people, and 2 whistleblowers.
so will the CEO and board of directors during that time face prison? that is the only retribution
The Ethiopian and Indonesian pilots did not follow decades-old standard procedures which would have allowed them to avoid crashing the planes.
@@robroilen4441Enough with the lies.
Keep in mind that just selling TWO 737 MAX planes make Boeing more money than that fine.
The cost will be passed down to the taxpayer in military contracts, dont worry. I thought the whole reason CEOs got top dollar is because the buck stopped with them, i.e., jail
So who pleads guilty? How can a company but no individual be held accountable like that?
There is something they don’t want to be a public knowledge.
It's crazy no criminal charges were made. For a company that has an annual revenue of $77.794B, $246million in fine is nothing. They got off way to easy.
Made in USA > Greed > Tragedy > BUT no one is held accountable or sent to jail, what utter injustice and corruption!!! Whereas, in some other countries, no one is above the law, flies or tigers, they all get jail time or even death sentence for crimes of this nature.
@@angec.4757 true yes
Where does the fine go? What does it get spent on?
That's the important question sir. Where does the money go indeed. How is that justice when the victims don't see one red cent
@@southernafricanboy4148 It’s just something that had never occurred to me before. Does it pay for prison staff, prison food, police, or is it just swallowed up by the machine
Political theatre.
To the government...then back to boeing on the next contract!
I don’t think they had any choice to plead anything else
I bet the £250M is tax deductible too
😢dis is wat u get from deregulation 💔
And multiple accounts of murder, don't forget that as well.
Keep well clear of the 737Max and the 787 … their own engineers have stated these planes have serious safety issues.
So the department of payday exploits the situation to ensure they get their money, then what? Where’s the justice? What about criminal charges and prison time for murder?
The fine they pay will that goes to the victim's family?
So basically they’re over the bad press and went and cut a “deal” with the DOJ
Whatever country your in, flood you aviation authority with emails. Remind them of there legal obligation of fit for purpose aircraft in your airspace.
Pay a criminal fine…loaded context that one
Any idea of what happened to the FAA employees who were involved?
The fine should be much much higher! They're pretty much getting a slap on the wrist there...
Screw the fine…It’s the only reason the DOJ gets involved in the first place - exploiting the situation for a payday rather than doing anything meaningful like pursueing criminal prosecution for murder!
As a retired aircraft engineer / inspector, I am furious with Boeing. They have not only brought themselves into disrepute, they have also probably done a massive amount of damage to the reputation of aircraft quality assurance and control world wide. Way to go Boeing!
The last plane I flew on was poorly maintained. The engines were rusted and the wings were Boeing
If a company is responsible for the deaths, people within that company made decisions that directly led to those deaths must have SOME personal responsibility - culpable deniability must not be allowed as an excuse, and just paying a fine (which does not reflect on those executives pay and bonus payments) is clearly not sufficient to address the underlying issues here.
That should be more like a 2.3 Billion $ fine!!!
so sad that this case has been so public with lots of outcry on social media and whistleblowers and they are still not being held accountable
The fine is laughable, fines are ment to force change in behaviour and scare others. a $200B fine would be a good start for boeing
$245M is basically nothing to someone who sells wide body and military aircraft. US corporations are immune from meaningful prosecution since about 1999 when the Clinton administration updated the guidelines for use of Deferred Prosecution Agreements. Basically, any large US corporation can agree to say they were wrong, avoid more serious chargers and "agree to improve standards". The same has been true in the UK since 2013. However, the reality is, this just allows the executive to avoid prosecution. Enforcement of the improvements is fairly non-existent and it's basically an agreement to not get caught for between three to five years. Just look up HSBC and cartel money.
Boeing sticking to the classic Howard Hughes playbook on how not to run an airline. Surprise, surprise.
No whistleblowers were harmed In This reporting
Get out of jail if you got the money.
Fraud? They should be charged with the murder of 2 whistle-blowers as well.
I believe that at least two whistleblowers have also died in suspicious circumstances. If this outgoing CEO is not held criminally responsible he should, at the very least, be required to forgo his "golden parachute" and possibly re-pay his salary, bonuses and stock options for the years in question. And the Board of Directors should also face a criminal investigation and possible financial penalties as well. These activities are occurring too often to allow such a prominent company to slip away from its responsibilities this easily.
What about the metal they’re planes are spraying in the sky ?
How about the murders? 🤦🏽♂️
Americans :If we cannot compete ,we cheat or move the goal pole ,or even accuse the other side has cheated ,if we were found out the company just pay a fine ,no one is responsible or put in jail , both the prosecution and the offenders are happy ,justice is appeared to be done 👍😂
Please pull out all those flights that did not meet standard
And that's still before their Chinesium delays and leaving two astronauts stranded on the ISS.
Who knew that John Strickland of JLS Consulting was born yesterday?
This is where passengers voices should be heard, I for one will be looking for non Boeing flights even if it means going the long way round. I worked in construction safety and QC since 1985 till my retirement in 2015.
I'm sure some junior low level employee will get fired and the CEO and his mates will all keep their jobs.
They should end Boeing business licence.
Max penalty, criminal negligence on former ceo and board , more rules with 3rd party outsourcing, as well as current culture of lack of training, hidden corruption, accountability, video recording of all work that can be traced for 365 days instantly as well as archive for 3 years
For those in Europe/UK using Ryanair who did not know - the airIine company known for their penny pinching strategies purchased aImost an entire set of produced 737 Max to make it one singIe aircraft modeI to run and service for the company. They made a rebranding of the modeI to avoid negativity. I recentIy made some fiIghts using that aircraft - first time I reaIised by googIng the modeI and then reading about this by aIready being onboard and preparing for take off. Scary.
OT!!
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It is in the US interest for beoing to not be held accountable and so are in a better position to out compete airbus. They know they could of fined them 5x the amount and Boeing would of payed it in a heartbeat to avoid a trial.
Smoke and mirrors. Again.
Everyone seems to be at it. Is anyone trustworthy nowadays?
In other words, we still can fly with that felon / Boeing, and the government is still conducting business with that same felon. That's a great idea.
What you mean it wasn't DEI policies?
Because the money is going to families, their lawyers will make sure it's tax deductible. They won't feel anything, business as usual.
Didn’t they kill a whistleblower too?
You mean 2 whistle-blowers, not just one
Wow
Corporate greed
Plane Maker...?? Aircraft manufacture. I don't expect you all to have same accent BBC, but how about not letting a five year old write up for the auto que... :D
Boeing is no good
This is the opportunity that Airbus should capitalise on, airlines across the world take note of Boeings wilful attitude towards passenger safety and see the difference between them and the European Airbus.
Пресса делает свое дело
As it should
ok
Nope. They recommended that the DOJ bring, not brings, charges.
A culture -- or company -- that can't handle the subjunctive no long has the intelligence to handle its outer limmbs, as Auntie Beeb demonstrates here.
Who is going to the pen? I think I can guess!
The airline company Boeing has to pay 240 billion dollars and a lawsuit for the death of 400 people due to the decision of the branches of aircraft control in America.
I think it will bring disaster in air travel!!!
Aircraft manufacturer Boeing announced on Monday that it has settled with the US Department of Justice over two tragic Boeing 737 MAX accidents. It was reported by the BBC. The company will have to pay a fine of more than 240 million dollars.
"We have reached agreement in principle on the terms of the settlement with the Department of Justice," the firm said in a statement. The settlement came after prosecutors concluded that Boeing breached a previous agreement following two tragic plane crashes in Ethiopia and Indonesia that killed 346 people.
We Boeing are just going to give you some pennies
Interesting if milk producer make mistake in production and kills someone they fill face criminal charges. If it is Boeing they're not charged. Shows that they paid a lot of money to superpacks lobby
The Ethiopian and Indonesian pilots did not follow decades-old standard procedures which would have allowed them to avoid crashing the planes.
What about the Whistleblower they murdered allegedly 🤔
Nhs and avon police next
Terrible Boeing plane made in USA
Just like the bankers that caused the financial crisis. Selective justice 😢
Just a fancy way to extort money. Goes around in circles. Trying to make stupid people believe their is some sort of justice. ALL LIES.
My sincere thanks for sharing it.
West is so stupid..boeing pled guilt....but who goes to jail?
Boing😂
Now the lawsuits start. Boeing is going bankrupt. Get your 401k and shareholding’s out.
They provide our military with many useful expensive things.
You don’t punish a company you are dependent on!
You also don’t tell your wife she looks fat in that dress. See the similarities?
How old are you btw?
Also by settling this, the lawyers put in a clause to avoid civil lawsuits. I don’t know where that’s ever NOT been the case.
The OxyContin lawsuit recently went to SCOTUS over that.
You don’t know how stuff works do you?
@jules263 Boeing is going bankrupt? Are you kidding ?
@@guybeingaguy Stop crying Boeing will still exist. Just not in its current form. It’s the investors that lose out.
@@jules263 Taxpayers will pay FAR more money than investors.
You never did say how old you are. I’m guessing teenager to mid 20’s by your lack of how shit really works.
How old are you?
@@guybeingaguyOk boomer. Watch while your fave files for chapter 11 in a years time. You obviously missed economics at school 😂
Boeing,,, Am not going 😈🇺🇸😈
The Chinese also sanctioned them for producing missiles forTaiwan.
Corporations always get a slap on the wrist, that's how you know western countries are not democracies, but in fact are oligarchies.
the old boys an take a hit once in a while, recall what Dodgy Dave sCamoron did for HSBC right before he scarpered
bbc, who will make military aircrafts?
The Ethiopian and Indonesian pilots completely failed to follow decades-old standard procedures which would have allowed them to avoid crashing the planes. Boeing even explicitly reminded all 737 operators of these procedures after the Lion Air crash. The angle of attack sensor on the Indonesian plane was installed incorrectly by a Lion Air maintenance worker who then falsified the repair report. The angle of attack sensor on the Ethiopian plane was most likely hit by a bird during takeoff, but the Ethiopian investigation didn't even look for bird remains where the plane would have been, and tried blaming some sort of electrical fault which they had no evidence for. Please stop listening to the insane sensationalist mainstream media.
Do we have boeing bots now along with russian, chinese and isreali bots?
@@johanness.9925 These are not my opinions, these are the results of the official accident reports which conveniently never appear in mainstream reports
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DEI ain’t it great