JJF won the Eddie, Triple Crown and WSL in the same year. A couple of years ago he had a paddle session at an outer reef that was the most impressive surfing I've ever seen.
Thanks for reminding me of the movie 'Maps of Home' ua-cam.com/video/n3NS9bPa5qY/v-deo.html with the outer reef session and the Haleiwa section with Jack Robbo. Gotta watch that again!
JJF is the man at any wave that people actually care about. His edits from Hawaii every season are legendary, when the surf is cranking, Toledo is nowhere to be found. His Olympic performance at chopes was nothing short of shameful. Teenage girls were charging harder than him. JJF has no weak areas, Toledos weaknesses are glaring.
JJF is a way better surfer than Philipe , no question. It poses the question , does the WSL tour reward small wave surfers ? For me the fact the championship is run at Trestles says a definite yes .
If the WSL tour has small waves during the season then advantage Filipe, but with some good swell at the events it opens up the competition. Fortunately there's no more Trestles Final and the Final 5 will battle it out at Cloudbreak in Fiji. That seems to be more of an advantage for John, Robbo, Yago and Gabriel (and let's not forget last year's winner Erin Brooks).
@@OldSurfDad it’s not advantage Filipe, it’s advantage to everyone including the 18 year old wildcard, if it’s held in 12+ the flipping and spinning and getting the lucky 2 foot wave out of a heat of 1.5 footers is gone. You only have to look at the data, wsl in small waves the ratings are way down, and the UA-camrs surfing 15foot cloud break are getting all the views, they need a better event model or they’ll keep haemorrhaging
Well analyzed guys! Perhaps closer than one thinks, although Tbone nailed it - "not enough waves of consequence on Tour". Plus your conclusion. Good show 🤙
Good discussion, Filipe has john in the small gutless kinda waves with his extreme speed and reliability to land reverses and snaps, but anything in decent size, waves of consequence and perfect powerful points john has it all the way, also i believe Filipe has also won Brazil at least 3 or 4 times rather than none, the tour 100% favours smaller wave surfers like fil but the otherworldly ability and skill of surfers like john and medina is ultimately clear to the people throughout the year
At J-Bay, Filipe is the best surfer of all time, hands down, and John John doesn’t even come close. You gonna tell me J-Bay isn’t a wave of consequence? Hahaha!
Yes, you are correct - Filipe has won 3 times in 2018, 2019 and 2022. I was thinking of Gabriel Medina who has not won there yet. Let's hope there's swell at most of the events that will level the playing field!
@@Carlosmm53 You could certainly make the argument that Filipe is the best competitive surfer at J-bay with 3 impressive wins there, but Kelly and Mick each have 4 wins and higher heat win percentages. As far as J-Bay being a wave of consequence, I wouldn't put it in the same category as Tahiti and Pipe because it lacks a shallow reef although the rocks at J-Bay are pretty gnarly and barnacle encrusted. I hope to see pumping swell at J-Bay this year and see some epic surfing. Yew!
@@OldSurfDad Fanning and Slater have competed in a lot more events, and let’s not forget that Filipe missed 3 events (2020, 2021, and 2024) during his prime years. Plus, when he lost there (aside from his rookie year), it was to opponents who had to put up insane performances to beat him (like Ítalo in 2018, who never reached that level in J-Bay again), or when he came off three straight finals the month before and was clearly just there to fill the schedule (2022). After all that, the level of surfing Filipe showed at J-Bay-no disrespect to GOAT Slater or the legendary Mick Fanning-is an evolution of everything that's been done there.
@@Carlosmm53 Respect. Solid take. Yes, Kelly has way more events than Filipe (and Anyone ever, Haha). Filipe started his career in 2013 I believe and that number is getting close to the time Mick was on tour. And, yes, Fil had injuries as did Mick and John John. I think when Filipe's career is over we'll be able to compare more easily, but your point is well taken.
It's funny because Felipe has won at good sized Bells, Margaret's, J Bay and Portugal and sunset beach but anything over 8ft jjf has it hands down. But you've got guys like Kelly and Mick and any other pro that's being honest saying Felipe is hands down the best surfer on the planet 6ft and under with room to improve still. And like Pottz said years ago if he wants it he's got the talent to be good in big stuff to but then what would everyone else do for the next 8yrs on your when he just smokes everyone at That point. Those were Pottz words not mine but I do agree. he's lightning fast and style is solid as it gets! I've never seen anyone maintain the speed he does and his rail game at high speed is f-ing amazing. But that being said Jjf is hands down the best all around guy for sure! Like they said 1ft to 30ft he's an all terrain ripper that's just a beast so I think they both have their places in history secured in the upper echelon of surf history.
Great points. Filipe has won in bigger surf at several locations, but I think his achilles heel is shallow reef (Tahiti and Pipe). You're right to say that if he mastered that he would be nearly unbeatable, but thankfully we get to have these debates about who is better! Ha :)
No mystery here. Toledo is better in performance waves up to 10 feet (or 12, if it’s J-Bay or a similar wave), while John is better in barrels and big waves. The thing is, John is much closer to Filipe in turns than Filipe is to John in barrels and heavy water. The real rivalry is between Gabriel and John. If we’re talking about a typical CT scenario, I’d still go with Medina because I think the gap between them in rippable lefts (in Medina’s favor) is bigger than any advantage John might have over Gabriel. At the end of the day, all the criteria are basically just a slight edge for one over the other.
As I was answering the comments above, I said basically the same thing that you said so well, "The thing is, John is much closer to Filipe in turns than Filipe is to John in barrels and heavy water." Perfect.
I don´t think Filipe meant that seriously, didn´t find the link to the subject, but if he really think he´s better than JJ he´s tripping honestly, JJ is the best surfer in the world overall, that´s a no brainer. Toledo might have Jhon in the small surf, but that´s that.
Freakin hilarious. Did I see Filipe in the Eddie? Have I seen Filipe deep on a big fat Pipe bowl? Chopes? Any wave of consequence? Gabby is JJF’s closest competitor. Felipe is a weapon and phenomenal surfer, probably the best in waves under 4 feet but man he is a long way off the top 2. His ego is up there though.
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Great discussion boys! How Felipe could think let alone state that he is better than jjf!! He is a great surfer but is delusional to think that he is better than the best surfer in the worlld! He is not even in the top 4 in my opinion! My list: 1. Jjf 2. Medina 3. Robbo. 4 italo 5 yago dora. Felipe comes after all those guys as an alround surfer in all conditions. John john would have 5 titles if he didn't do his knees! ns!
When we had that swell in California and Hawaii during the holidays, Filipe showed a clip of himself on instagram getting these little tube drainers in Nicaragua. Pretty stylish little barrels, but next to the other content of Huge Mavericks and Pipe bombs and The Eddie I felt a little bit sorry for him. I mean, sure, he can thread the needle on some beachy, but reef waves are his kryptonite. I agree that his speed carves are nearly flawless and his ability to read (double overhead and under) waves and flow through them is his greatest strength.
I think you are misunderstanding. I don’t believe you translated the original question. The question appears to be, “who surfs more?” Its a harmless safe media question. I dont think he’s claiming, what you think he is. My spanish is okay and that helped me understand.
Haha, I’m just trying to stir the pot.😉 But I do think if he can make the Final Five and there is swell he’ll beat Filipe in Fiji. So maybe I’ll double down at this point on the long shot haha. Happy New Year dudes, looking forward to fantasy surf in a few weeks!
The tour isnt just 2 surfers though theres surfers that can end the comp for anyone of the top 5 at any point in the comp and jjf is the more well rounded surfer when hes healthy hes unbeatable
Good point. There are others that will challenge these two. I see Yago having a good year and the rest of the top 5 are gunning for the champ and the returning champ.
It’s only Filipe ever if it’s head high. Anything above that there’s no chance whatsoever. John’s the best surfer in the world. He does what Filipe does on head high waves in double overhead waves with ease.
@datapusher- John was way better than Kelly as a youth, you can't argue with Kelly's competitive success.. and take away from the injuries that John had he would have probably one more titles. Look at the footage from J Bay when John was 13, Kelly was not that good at that age, and John is way more well-rounded as an individual. I grew up surfing around Slater, John is a waterman Kelly is a surfer
@OldSurfDad consider this, its no secret...Kelly " doesn't like" to surf Sunset or Haleiwa. There is still a defining element to how surfers handle Hawaii, no question Kelly is high performance, you don't win that much being less than the best competitively. Go back 2 years and look at the footage from John's Haleiwa sessions - I lived across the street from Ali'i Beach Park for many years and I have never seen anybody attack that wave like John does. That footage is absolutely mind-blowing, and I'll tell you that place is a true test on a 6' day. The watermelon aspect is really what takes him to another level, and he is just a natural. Style is another factor, in considering that my favorites will always be John then Andy and then Kelly somewhere after that, Fanning and Medina up there also. Kelly's obsession to win cost him a lot of quality time in life
With the 2025 tour setup, Filipe is clearly the best surfer in the world. Taking out the heavy barrel waves and looking at the tour without factoring in stuff like fatigue or mental wear, he’s the favorite to win almost every event. No surprise he’s got the lowest odds at 5.0 (Gabby and JJ close behind at 5.5) to take the title, even with the Finals being in Fiji.
The swell will determine the favorite in several of the locations that Fil and John don't have a distinct advantage, but I would argue that John has a better chance at a small wave venue than Filipe at a big reef wave. I just looked at the odds on betoonline.ag (for us in the US) and Currently Gabriel Medina is second with a +300 (Bet $10 win $30) while Filipe is +400 followed by Griff and Jack at +600. John John is not listed as a futures bet telling me he's ranked #1 by oddsmakers. Are you looking at TAB numbers? Interesting..
@@OldSurfDad It's a little different here, haha. In Brazil, on Bet365 and Betfair, Filipe is the favorite (5x), followed by Medina and John (both at 5.5x). Jack’s paying 12x, so if you’re betting on him, a VPN might come in handy, haha!
'Stick boy' still one of the fastest cleanest carving surfers I've ever seen. Thankfully he can't ride Pipe or there would be 5 more trophies on his mantle. Haha
John's hair game is better than Felipe's. Sorry, he is a lifelong skateboarder and understands all the grabs. It feels higher, the only thing for me. They have on John, John. John is a little bit too relaxed. Where felipe looks really anxious and nervous
I like that you bring up the skate influence. He does understand different types of airs from the Haleiwa skate park days which gives him a more creative approach.
I don't think it's fair to compare the two. Filipe will never be the full package, nor will he overcome his fear of large surf of consequence. That's what it takes to be the best, this comparison is mute
Should Filipe have said this on ESPN then? Or did he get railroaded and now regrets it? It's a shame because he is incredibly talented, yet his weakness is there for all to poke at.
@@OldSurfDad when you're claiming to be the best, and out to be number one, your weaknesses will show. It's okay not to be perfect, but those are the facts. Filipe's dad came out and spoke for him regarding his issues in big surf and then he kind of followed up. Quite possibly nobody can beat him and surf that's 4 ft and less, but all these pros nowadays surf very good in small waves. At that level in any sport, everybody's looking for a reason to watch you falter. Still keeps him from that ultra top level class
This is a frigging joke if you are competing and want to win you are the best end of story it dosnt do your confidence any good to sit there and say everyone is better than me in any sport even chess 🤣🤣🤣
Yeh, It's not the best comment especially when you just took the year off, but it makes it fun to stoke a rivalry. Part of me feels like he got railroaded by ESPN Brazil. The two answers are both bad- I'm better than John or I'm not as good as John (which a competitive person might think is admitting that they suck). Tough choice.
@mattgurin6168 except for medina, but Filipe is probably the one who won the most in Rio (and still they didn't remember that Filipe won in Rio before)
@Wetsand348 Rio is such a small piece of the pie, the Brazilians are favored at home....Gabe is not scared, Filipe will probably never conquer his fears. Got to have the full package if you want to be the best
Overall, john is better simply because of big barrels. But if they are both at the top of their performance, on the table, Filipe will be first and john second. Filipe is better in most waves
This can be argued for sure, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some like Johns radical power turns over Filipes clean speed carves. Because the WSL is subjective, judges decide in competition. In free surf edits we get to decide what we prefer.
Are we talking about the guy? That wouldn't even catch a wave. In medium sizes tahiti? Felipe has a lot of nerve disrespecting john john, he'll never get another wave in hawaii.. Felipe, I hope you're reading this.Dude, you paddled out at chopes and didn't even catch away.Because you're a coward, you do not charge at all.Anything double overhead or bigger you're terrified.. John charges waves that you won't even paddle out in and he does it with style. You are done. You will never do well on tour again. Your moment is past and Kelly is still better than you. For the same reason, you will not charge a Pike or anything where serious dominates. Yeah, you do little flippy airs cool..
@@t_bone_collectorif he had, wouldn’t we have seen him somewhere surfing those waves during big swells? I’ve never heard the name Toledo mentioned when Teahupoo was big or Pipe or any other iconic wave of consequence.
A lot of you have asked for the actual broadcast. Here is the link: instagram.com/p/DDAN72NNQ1q/
JJF won the Eddie, Triple Crown and WSL in the same year. A couple of years ago he had a paddle session at an outer reef that was the most impressive surfing I've ever seen.
Thanks for reminding me of the movie 'Maps of Home' ua-cam.com/video/n3NS9bPa5qY/v-deo.html with the outer reef session and the Haleiwa section with Jack Robbo. Gotta watch that again!
JJF is the man at any wave that people actually care about. His edits from Hawaii every season are legendary, when the surf is cranking, Toledo is nowhere to be found. His Olympic performance at chopes was nothing short of shameful. Teenage girls were charging harder than him. JJF has no weak areas, Toledos weaknesses are glaring.
"Toledo is nowhere to be found.."
JJF is a way better surfer than Philipe , no question. It poses the question , does the WSL tour reward small wave surfers ? For me the fact the championship is run at Trestles says a definite yes .
If the WSL tour has small waves during the season then advantage Filipe, but with some good swell at the events it opens up the competition. Fortunately there's no more Trestles Final and the Final 5 will battle it out at Cloudbreak in Fiji. That seems to be more of an advantage for John, Robbo, Yago and Gabriel (and let's not forget last year's winner Erin Brooks).
@@OldSurfDad it’s not advantage Filipe, it’s advantage to everyone including the 18 year old wildcard, if it’s held in 12+ the flipping and spinning and getting the lucky 2 foot wave out of a heat of 1.5 footers is gone. You only have to look at the data, wsl in small waves the ratings are way down, and the UA-camrs surfing 15foot cloud break are getting all the views, they need a better event model or they’ll keep haemorrhaging
Well analyzed guys! Perhaps closer than one thinks, although Tbone nailed it - "not enough waves of consequence on Tour". Plus your conclusion. Good show 🤙
Thank you. It was interesting to break it down. I don't think Tbone and I thought it would be so close when we looked at the tour.
Good discussion, Filipe has john in the small gutless kinda waves with his extreme speed and reliability to land reverses and snaps, but anything in decent size, waves of consequence and perfect powerful points john has it all the way, also i believe Filipe has also won Brazil at least 3 or 4 times rather than none, the tour 100% favours smaller wave surfers like fil but the otherworldly ability and skill of surfers like john and medina is ultimately clear to the people throughout the year
At J-Bay, Filipe is the best surfer of all time, hands down, and John John doesn’t even come close. You gonna tell me J-Bay isn’t a wave of consequence? Hahaha!
Yes, you are correct - Filipe has won 3 times in 2018, 2019 and 2022. I was thinking of Gabriel Medina who has not won there yet. Let's hope there's swell at most of the events that will level the playing field!
@@Carlosmm53 You could certainly make the argument that Filipe is the best competitive surfer at J-bay with 3 impressive wins there, but Kelly and Mick each have 4 wins and higher heat win percentages. As far as J-Bay being a wave of consequence, I wouldn't put it in the same category as Tahiti and Pipe because it lacks a shallow reef although the rocks at J-Bay are pretty gnarly and barnacle encrusted. I hope to see pumping swell at J-Bay this year and see some epic surfing. Yew!
@@OldSurfDad Fanning and Slater have competed in a lot more events, and let’s not forget that Filipe missed 3 events (2020, 2021, and 2024) during his prime years. Plus, when he lost there (aside from his rookie year), it was to opponents who had to put up insane performances to beat him (like Ítalo in 2018, who never reached that level in J-Bay again), or when he came off three straight finals the month before and was clearly just there to fill the schedule (2022). After all that, the level of surfing Filipe showed at J-Bay-no disrespect to GOAT Slater or the legendary Mick Fanning-is an evolution of everything that's been done there.
@@Carlosmm53 Respect. Solid take. Yes, Kelly has way more events than Filipe (and Anyone ever, Haha). Filipe started his career in 2013 I believe and that number is getting close to the time Mick was on tour. And, yes, Fil had injuries as did Mick and John John. I think when Filipe's career is over we'll be able to compare more easily, but your point is well taken.
It's funny because Felipe has won at good sized Bells, Margaret's, J Bay and Portugal and sunset beach but anything over 8ft jjf has it hands down. But you've got guys like Kelly and Mick and any other pro that's being honest saying Felipe is hands down the best surfer on the planet 6ft and under with room to improve still. And like Pottz said years ago if he wants it he's got the talent to be good in big stuff to but then what would everyone else do for the next 8yrs on your when he just smokes everyone at That point. Those were Pottz words not mine but I do agree. he's lightning fast and style is solid as it gets! I've never seen anyone maintain the speed he does and his rail game at high speed is f-ing amazing. But that being said Jjf is hands down the best all around guy for sure! Like they said 1ft to 30ft he's an all terrain ripper that's just a beast so I think they both have their places in history secured in the upper echelon of surf history.
Great points. Filipe has won in bigger surf at several locations, but I think his achilles heel is shallow reef (Tahiti and Pipe). You're right to say that if he mastered that he would be nearly unbeatable, but thankfully we get to have these debates about who is better! Ha :)
Bring back Pottz
@@t_bone_collectoryeah, I’m wondering what he’s up to?
No mystery here. Toledo is better in performance waves up to 10 feet (or 12, if it’s J-Bay or a similar wave), while John is better in barrels and big waves. The thing is, John is much closer to Filipe in turns than Filipe is to John in barrels and heavy water.
The real rivalry is between Gabriel and John. If we’re talking about a typical CT scenario, I’d still go with Medina because I think the gap between them in rippable lefts (in Medina’s favor) is bigger than any advantage John might have over Gabriel. At the end of the day, all the criteria are basically just a slight edge for one over the other.
As I was answering the comments above, I said basically the same thing that you said so well, "The thing is, John is much closer to Filipe in turns than Filipe is to John in barrels and heavy water." Perfect.
Is that 10 foot Hawaiian? JJF vs Toledo in 10foot Haleiwa I know who I got 🤘🏼
I don´t think Filipe meant that seriously, didn´t find the link to the subject, but if he really think he´s better than JJ he´s tripping honestly, JJ is the best surfer in the world overall, that´s a no brainer. Toledo might have Jhon in the small surf, but that´s that.
I think the pressure in the moment made him say things he didn't mean to say...or did he? Yeh, he might be trippn. Haha.
@OldSurfDad 😅
Freakin hilarious. Did I see Filipe in the Eddie? Have I seen Filipe deep on a big fat Pipe bowl? Chopes? Any wave of consequence? Gabby is JJF’s closest competitor.
Felipe is a weapon and phenomenal surfer, probably the best in waves under 4 feet but man he is a long way off the top 2. His ego is up there though.
Pretty much what you just said right there.
Agree for sure Gabby is JJF closest competitor
Such a shame Filipe had a sore guts at pipeline other year.
Wonder how his guts will be this year ?
Let me know when he gets invited to the Eddie let alone wins one. Stupid remark what is he smoking 😂
Happy days😀👏
Happy New Year Martin!
Same to you and yours 😊
Can't wait for the WSL season to start!
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Fillipes only edge over JJF is in waves under 4 foot
Great discussion boys! How Felipe could think let alone state that he is better than jjf!! He is a great surfer but is delusional to think that he is better than the best surfer in the worlld! He is not even in the top 4 in my opinion! My list: 1. Jjf 2. Medina 3. Robbo. 4 italo 5 yago dora. Felipe comes after all those guys as an alround surfer in all conditions. John john would have 5 titles if he didn't do his knees!
ns!
Amen 🙏
That a big No !
JJF no questions asked
Toledo has got way better faster cleaner carves in waves up to 6ft but above that JJF gets the nod and toledo doesn't know how to get barrled
Actually he has great technique to get barreled, his problem is when it gets big. It's a lot more of a psychological thing than anything else
When we had that swell in California and Hawaii during the holidays, Filipe showed a clip of himself on instagram getting these little tube drainers in Nicaragua. Pretty stylish little barrels, but next to the other content of Huge Mavericks and Pipe bombs and The Eddie I felt a little bit sorry for him. I mean, sure, he can thread the needle on some beachy, but reef waves are his kryptonite. I agree that his speed carves are nearly flawless and his ability to read (double overhead and under) waves and flow through them is his greatest strength.
@@OldSurfDad Yep i agree he knows how to get barreld well its just when the swell jacks up he just cant do it mentally
Let's see Philipe surf Teahupoo when it's huge or some of the other big waves John surfs. John is the best all around surfer there is.
John = waterman
Toledo is a one trick pony, JJF has it all, airs, turns and barrels
His one trick (clean speed turns) is pretty good tho. I'd say he has other tricks too (airs and did I mention speed?) haha
I think he can in anything under 5 ft
Agree, but would you go to 6 feet? Haha
Filipe is a great surfer but doesn't have the power that JJF has.
this. simply.
WSL rewards regular surfers. Nevertheless, there are a couple lefts to throw some spanners in the works this year.
You think the guy that refused to compete at Pipeline can be compared to JJ in any way?
I think you are misunderstanding. I don’t believe you translated the original question. The question appears to be, “who surfs more?” Its a harmless safe media question. I dont think he’s claiming, what you think he is. My spanish is okay and that helped me understand.
While the direct translation is "Who surfs more" the implied meaning is "Who surfs better"
Final is at Fiji this year so we’ll know in about 9 months… gonna be Ramzi cuz he can go frontside 🤪
Finals should be a damn good time! Yo! You picking Ramzi!? That's bold! Love it. Happy New Year my friend!
Not a bad call but a long shot in my book 🤙🏻
Haha, I’m just trying to stir the pot.😉 But I do think if he can make the Final Five and there is swell he’ll beat Filipe in Fiji. So maybe I’ll double down at this point on the long shot haha. Happy New Year dudes, looking forward to fantasy surf in a few weeks!
Ha ha. Let's hope JJF, GM or KS draws FT in R1 at Pipe 8-10' or at Chopes and GLand.
Depending on where they rank Filipe this could actually happen at Pipe! Whoa
The tour isnt just 2 surfers though theres surfers that can end the comp for anyone of the top 5 at any point in the comp and jjf is the more well rounded surfer when hes healthy hes unbeatable
Good point. There are others that will challenge these two. I see Yago having a good year and the rest of the top 5 are gunning for the champ and the returning champ.
There is no easy heat in the CT
It’s only Filipe ever if it’s head high. Anything above that there’s no chance whatsoever. John’s the best surfer in the world. He does what Filipe does on head high waves in double overhead waves with ease.
Yeh, John does maneuvers on triple overhead waves that others do on shoulder high dribblers. Haleiwa comes to mind.
John is one of the greatest surfers of all time, in my opinion better than Kelly although there's no dial Kelly was obsessed with winning.
Better than Kelly? Put the pipe down.
@datapusher- John was way better than Kelly as a youth, you can't argue with Kelly's competitive success.. and take away from the injuries that John had he would have probably one more titles. Look at the footage from J Bay when John was 13, Kelly was not that good at that age, and John is way more well-rounded as an individual. I grew up surfing around Slater, John is a waterman Kelly is a surfer
This is an interesting debate! Maybe we tackle this on in a future show.
@OldSurfDad consider this, its no secret...Kelly " doesn't like" to surf Sunset or Haleiwa. There is still a defining element to how surfers handle Hawaii, no question Kelly is high performance, you don't win that much being less than the best competitively. Go back 2 years and look at the footage from John's Haleiwa sessions - I lived across the street from Ali'i Beach Park for many years and I have never seen anybody attack that wave like John does. That footage is absolutely mind-blowing, and I'll tell you that place is a true test on a 6' day. The watermelon aspect is really what takes him to another level, and he is just a natural. Style is another factor, in considering that my favorites will always be John then Andy and then Kelly somewhere after that, Fanning and Medina up there also. Kelly's obsession to win cost him a lot of quality time in life
John at Halewia is fricken incredible 🙌
Erin surfs better. Well, big barrels anyway 😂. Zero respect for chicken man
I am calling Erin Brooks could be the first rookie world champ ??
Would Erin beat Fil at Pipe? After seeing her pull into the closeout at the Vans Pipe Masters I think so if it's large.
With the 2025 tour setup, Filipe is clearly the best surfer in the world. Taking out the heavy barrel waves and looking at the tour without factoring in stuff like fatigue or mental wear, he’s the favorite to win almost every event. No surprise he’s got the lowest odds at 5.0 (Gabby and JJ close behind at 5.5) to take the title, even with the Finals being in Fiji.
The swell will determine the favorite in several of the locations that Fil and John don't have a distinct advantage, but I would argue that John has a better chance at a small wave venue than Filipe at a big reef wave. I just looked at the odds on betoonline.ag (for us in the US) and Currently Gabriel Medina is second with a +300 (Bet $10 win $30) while Filipe is +400 followed by Griff and Jack at +600. John John is not listed as a futures bet telling me he's ranked #1 by oddsmakers. Are you looking at TAB numbers? Interesting..
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@@OldSurfDad It's a little different here, haha.
In Brazil, on Bet365 and Betfair, Filipe is the favorite (5x), followed by Medina and John (both at 5.5x). Jack’s paying 12x, so if you’re betting on him, a VPN might come in handy, haha!
Maybe in an alternate reality, stick boy braza.
'Stick boy' still one of the fastest cleanest carving surfers I've ever seen. Thankfully he can't ride Pipe or there would be 5 more trophies on his mantle. Haha
If Felipe was keen to charge big waves he may get on a good run. He would still be shy of being a better surfer than John
Just don’t think it’s in his dna ?
@t_bone_collector It is weird. He has all the skill you could ever want to handle big surf
jack wins Portugal john pipe , flip -SA .. griff EL SALVADOR
good call, let's see.
Ha I like this guy 🤙🏻
Do not disrespect JJF. Only in 1 ft Toledo maybe better
would you go to 3 foot? Ha
John's hair game is better than Felipe's. Sorry, he is a lifelong skateboarder and understands all the grabs. It feels higher, the only thing for me. They have on John, John. John is a little bit too relaxed. Where felipe looks really anxious and nervous
I like that you bring up the skate influence. He does understand different types of airs from the Haleiwa skate park days which gives him a more creative approach.
All brazos think they’re the best at everything JJF has always been way better than Toledo better bloke too
I don't think it's fair to compare the two. Filipe will never be the full package, nor will he overcome his fear of large surf of consequence. That's what it takes to be the best, this comparison is mute
Should Filipe have said this on ESPN then? Or did he get railroaded and now regrets it? It's a shame because he is incredibly talented, yet his weakness is there for all to poke at.
@@OldSurfDad when you're claiming to be the best, and out to be number one, your weaknesses will show. It's okay not to be perfect, but those are the facts. Filipe's dad came out and spoke for him regarding his issues in big surf and then he kind of followed up. Quite possibly nobody can beat him and surf that's 4 ft and less, but all these pros nowadays surf very good in small waves. At that level in any sport, everybody's looking for a reason to watch you falter. Still keeps him from that ultra top level class
This is a frigging joke if you are competing and want to win you are the best end of story it dosnt do your confidence any good to sit there and say everyone is better than me in any sport even chess 🤣🤣🤣
Yeh, It's not the best comment especially when you just took the year off, but it makes it fun to stoke a rivalry. Part of me feels like he got railroaded by ESPN Brazil. The two answers are both bad- I'm better than John or I'm not as good as John (which a competitive person might think is admitting that they suck). Tough choice.
@@OldSurfDadhe could have said sth like “we have different strengths…” and avoided a clear answer. Probably my diplomatic self speaking here ;-)
Lol filipe is better at surfing sh!tty waves but jjf been practicing in crap waves
yes! and why isn't Filipe practicing in reef waves?
By the way, Filipe has won 4x in Rio, out of which 3 were in Saquarema
Brazilians usually win in Brazil
@mattgurin6168 except for medina, but Filipe is probably the one who won the most in Rio (and still they didn't remember that Filipe won in Rio before)
@Wetsand348 Rio is such a small piece of the pie, the Brazilians are favored at home....Gabe is not scared, Filipe will probably never conquer his fears. Got to have the full package if you want to be the best
Yes, I made a mistake on this. I was thinking Gabriel Medina when I said that. Dang. My bad.
Overall, john is better simply because of big barrels. But if they are both at the top of their performance, on the table, Filipe will be first and john second. Filipe is better in most waves
This can be argued for sure, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some like Johns radical power turns over Filipes clean speed carves. Because the WSL is subjective, judges decide in competition. In free surf edits we get to decide what we prefer.
Are we talking about the guy? That wouldn't even catch a wave. In medium sizes tahiti? Felipe has a lot of nerve disrespecting john john, he'll never get another wave in hawaii.. Felipe, I hope you're reading this.Dude, you paddled out at chopes and didn't even catch away.Because you're a coward, you do not charge at all.Anything double overhead or bigger you're terrified.. John charges waves that you won't even paddle out in and he does it with style. You are done. You will never do well on tour again. Your moment is past and Kelly is still better than you. For the same reason, you will not charge a Pike or anything where serious dominates. Yeah, you do little flippy airs cool..
Let’s see if after Filipe taking the year off will improve his slab riding skills ?
@@t_bone_collectorif he had, wouldn’t we have seen him somewhere surfing those waves during big swells? I’ve never heard the name Toledo mentioned when Teahupoo was big or Pipe or any other iconic wave of consequence.