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Intel Optane Memory - Powerful or Pointless?
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2017
- Looking to speed up your hard drives on the cheap? Intel offers a solution with Optane Memory modules We will do a optane vs ssd benchmarks and find out!
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3:04 'that sound +LinusTech would be proud'
you almost had it
If you're going to quote something to show everybody you watched the exact same video as them at least quote it right.
UPDATE: intel has fixed this to work with secondary drives
IMO it would be better if it wasn't 200-series chipsets only, considering the people who could benefit from this are ones with legacy PCs that only have HDDs.
exactly. this may become useful years down the road when kaby lake is considered legacy and motherbaords are dirt cheap along with cpus and you need to cobble together a system using an hdd.
You do still need an m.2 slot
older platforms do not have the specifications required for Optane such as micro controllers etc...
there are pcie m.2 adapters.
Knightcore I got a 1t hhd with the 16 gb. I was unsure if it woukd actually work cause its only 16 gigs but my pc with a i7 8750h and the hhd being 7200rpm. The pc boots in seconds and the games load up really well, I am both suprised and happy I chose this route. I woukd just get a big m.2 ssd if you have the money.
I purchased an Intel NUC I7 7th gen with 16GB Optane and a Samsung EVO 850 PRO SSD SATA. When I enabled Optane memory I noticed the speed difference loading programs and browsing. So far I'm happy with the result.
Which worked better for you sir?
Fortunately with updates this has actually become a little more useful. An update to the software now does allow you to use optane on drives other than the boot drive. So it can be used in conjunction with a large HDD used for gaming or other programs.
Yeah they need to update this video. Or do a "Optane Revisited in 2019". Another thing they added was "Pinning". Which allows you to choose which programs you want to load faster or be prioritized.
Plus the 32 GB is now available for around the price of what the 16 GB cost back then
Just finished watching the “word from our sponsor” bit before the main video. It presents a product I normally would skip past but it was so clever that I kept watching. Good work!
Best Keyboard advert I have ever seen (no sarcasm). It's just to bad it wasn't a k70 rgb
"Only about 10 seconds slower"
Dude that equals to roughly 33% slower speeds. It is pretty substantial.
The Cooler Master ad is absolutely amazing!
Thank you so much for making this video. You answered all my concerns about Intel Optane technology and convinced me that it is just not worth it yet.
Subscribed simply for the video editing, clever ads, and professional quality with great personality. Well done Dmitry (unsure if spelt correctly)
WOW, I have watched 20+ videos and I was able to get SOOO much more critical information here within the first 3 minutes. I was going to get optane to work with my secondary drives as I use an NVME as my OS drive. Thank you for providing such great detailed information. You just saved me a lot of wasted money. Thank You
today otpatne can works on secondary hard driv
Alright, I just got to this part but. "Ooh, that sound. Linus would be proud." best roast ever. Liked just for that. Even though I know the review itself will be good. I've been waiting for the reviews from you guys and from GamersNexus for this tech since I heard of it. Because it just seems like fancier ways to do what Seagate already does with the drives they call SSHDs. Alright, back to the rest of the video.
You've been watching some LinusDropTips?
Anyone who knows about Optane and has HDDs as primary is doing it wrong.
RdyPlyOne how?
I THINK he means that if you're a sophisticated enough builder to know much about Optane, you would already be too sophisticated to be building around HDDs.
Adz Optane is not a mainstream product and only gamers and enthusiast know about it...And that group SHOULD have SSD primary and HDD secondary. SSDs are cheaper than a new release game now...
elenchus Exactly!
"SSDs are cheaper than a new release game now" WHERE DO YOU LIVE MAN??? I can only think of Australia due to the crazy game prices there... 'Cause everywhere else I know, unless you're talking about some limited or premium edition of a game, new games are still cheaper or the same price as a decent 120gb SSD
Optane memory is a bridge technology and useful for people that have huge storage needs like 4Tb onwards etc
Thank you for this great video. I learned so much more watching this than I would have searching the internet.
Ugh, I don't know, I still can't see it becoming a "mainstream" product, at least not in this shape or form, and especially knowing what happened before with the Smart Response technology. 🤔
If they expand compatibility with other processors and mobos, I cas see it becoming mainstream
And given that it's only compatible with the new* generation intel chipsets, I doubt it will ever gain traction unless something drastic happens.
If I can use it on secondary storage and get like 500 GB worth of it for under $200 then maybe worth it as cache for like a 2TB HDD
TekTick you are awesome man!
you look like the main character from "Guardians of the Galaxy"
wenksification wait, he isn't?
Admiral Ashik is he? lmao
A lot of people think he looks like Chris Pratt. Comments like these are quite commonplace on this channel XD
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definitely
Intel, wtf is the point of this lol
to sell you kaby lake
My coz is a kernal guy at intel and he says sometime they do just to see if they can. Right now they're working on a stick of DDR3 128GB memory. I too asked why....said there's clients waiting.
Its for people who don't understand multiple drives. So basically its for the computer illiterate.
Dan im broke and i cant afford a solid state drive.
Thank you for the informative video. It answered all my questions about Optane memory.
Can I use the optane memory to run the os while I’m using an ssd for other programs?
this was honestly one of ur best vids man, keep up the good work!
p.s. i really want the optane/harddrive
Thank you very much Dmitri for this video. I had heard about Intel Optane but hadnt done any research on it. I thought from the way it was hyped it was some sort of software that would boost your speeds of all things you do. After watching this I realize it is solid but for most folks not that big of a deal. Thanks for the info and great video man.
Thanks Dmitry, this is just what I was looking for. I've got an ssd and planning to buy a z370 motherboard to the needed spec ;)
Optane actually does support secondary drives now
Very well explained sir simple and fast. Subbed!
could you guys make a special channel for commersial scetches on anything 😂😂😂 ,they are gold
YOUR VIDEO QUALITY IS SO GOOD!
I have this in my Lenovo legion y530 and it's pretty good. Really fast boot ups.
I was watching this for 24 seconds, got so into that ad I scrolled to click like, then realised I hadn't even watched the video, just your keyboard ad.
that cooler master ad was legitimately very good
thanks for the answers i was looking for dimitri.
Awesome background music btw!
Best sponsored promotion ever. I may buy a keyboard just because the production quality and the intentionality of the ad was so high. lol
Optane memory gets faster the more you use it, because it'll know what files and programs you use often enough and formulate it into its algorithm to provide faster boot/load times. It is not fast out of the box.
The fastness what you feel is more particularly due to the cache memory as the function itself of the cache is to watch your behaviour, get stored in itself and supply you accordingly.. hope this helps
false. it doesnt get progressively faster the more you use it. it can only cache something once. loading a game multiples times doesnt make it load faster it just lets the software know to leave it in the optane cache.
The whole point of this product is to put it in low end machines because optane + hdd is cheaper than equal capacity ssd solutions still at the same capacity. considering you can get multiple TB hdds for less than $200 but single TB SSD can cost upwards of $500. It's for laptops and cheap AIO desktops or just low end machines and laptops. the whole point of this is so that we as people who care enough to know this exists can suggest it to people who want their computer to be faster but aren't willing to make the investment to actually buy the kind of systems we have or to keep cheap laptops with 7200 rpm hhds and toss this in an m.2 on the board and you can replicate ssd performance without breaking the bank. it's literally for people who can't be bothered to know it exists.
but if grandma says she wants a faster computer and all it takes is a ASRock B250M, i3-7100, and the 16 gb optane thats just about 230-250 to turn what was probably a Celeron or Pentium machine that's at least 5-10 years old into something modernly useful and significantly noticeably faster without a need to upgrade that many if any other parts.
ohhhh, i get it now.
SORRY I'M 3 YEARS LATE
BUT WHAT YOU SAID IS TOTAL BULLSHIT, LOW END MACHINES WON'T BE HAVING 7TH GEN CIPSETS IN 2017.
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agreed!
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I stopped the video right after the ad to make sure i liked it. Now i'm going back to finish the video. Good job on the Ad D.
I dig the jacket. Totally unrelated to the topic but I felt the need to say it.
Beautiful cinematography!
Had to like just for that cooler master advert
Great video! I got here because I was looking at a laptop that has 16G optane memory... and wondered what it was. I sounds like it acts like Hybrid SSD HDD which is good to have if it comes as a package with whatever you're buying... but only if you get it essentially without paying anything extra for it. If given a choice, and I need to pay, I think hybrid SSD might be a better choice.
Optane memory is used for consumers looking for space without the compromise of using smaller expensive SSD's. The benefit comes from using lets say a 2TB main drive with optane memory.
Having just a 4 TB or 6 TB HDD only and optimizing it with that little drive could be a good idea for many people
If that was how it worked but it doesn't. The main key to this worthless device is it only works with your OS drive. Who in their right mind has a 4 or 6 TB HDD as an OS drive? No one who knows how a PC works that's for sure.
Edmi Perez This is for people who just bought new hardware, it only supports kabylake and 200series boards.
For the price you are better off with a 250GB M.2 SSD.
@@Lighteningskye There is a bios update available now to make it work with secondary drives. On 8th gen it work out of the box.
@@Lighteningskye You live in the past dude. I have a 6TB HDD with Optane and everything runs almost as fast as an SSD. And it only cost me $300 for the HDD and Optane. You absolutely can run your OS and everything else on one harddrive. Find me evidence that this is a bad idea. I like not having to mess around with multiple drives. It's easier to have everything in one place.
I can see this becoming really popular with OEM sellers like Dell, it allows them to give you a whole lot of fast storage at a low price, and fast storage is a big plus in OEM machines which are normally used as office PCs and such
I couldn't agree more. SSD caching is a good idea but it simply cannot match the performance of a pure SSD solution. Thank you for this review.
Your keyboard commercial was worth the watch. XD
I knew it. Waste of money. And Linus was trying so hard to push this :P
He's way up Intel's rectum he'll say anything to sell us their stuff.
he's own by Nvidia and Nvdia is Intel's BFF. Yes, LTT is owned by Nvidia
it was on april fools video
And yet he still baited people on both: the titles include: "SSD Crushing Performance" and "Turbocharge your SSD for 40$". First of all, it doesn't crush SSD it lags behind them. Second, it doesn't turbocharge an SSD, but rather mechanical drives turning them into pretty much an Hybrid Drive which still sits behind an SSD.
How anyone could get through their Optane video thinking they still needed Optane is beyond me. No-one who knows what it is should be running a spinner as their boot drive. Video titles were ironic, not clickbaity (unless you really hadn't paid attention to the tech before you saw them, perhaps)
Good stuff Dima!
got the notification while watching. Well done youtube
yeah that notification system is just as pointless as the optane
I just purchased a Kaby Lake CPU and a 200-series chipset motherboard. I might have a go at one of these.
6:24 everything I needed to know. Thank you! :)
Well i can see it being useful when you have lots of game on a 2 TB HDD to speed things up since a large enough SSD would cost you way more than the optane + a large WD caviar black or whatever other large HDD.
Not all the games i have are installed right now and its taking just a tad over 1TB on my HDD so an SSD just wouldn't be large enough for me so i might get that Optane at one point. Maybe i'll wait for an updated model though . . .
gotta say, really digging your coolermaster ad
It's amazing :D thanks!
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This Video was really a great help and made me notice that I definitely not need that ^^ Thx 4 that!!
I turn your videos on and listen to them to fall asleep sometimes
Its basically just a fancy cache?
best review from this thing :) thx Dimitri again for correct information :)
I don't know but i feel like you guys are way underrated. You should have more subscribers and viewers. I am a huge linustechtips fan and i do agree that your ads are more creative than linustechtips. Is there any way we can help to gain more membership?
Also just a suggestion, linus media group created floatplane club, which is really great and a good alternative to vessel. I think you guys should join. Linus asked in that forum what other creators his viewers would like to see and a lot many people mentioned you guys.
Hey Dimitry, I've been wondering what name of the (piano?) song/score is, during your CM Keys sponsor portion of the video. It sounds awesome...
Dmitri, has anyone told you how good you are at cinematography? Cause goddamn, that was a good CM ad
It's a solution already available on many platforms. I have 512GB (2 x 256) read cache M.2 NVME SSD on my QNAP 863+ NAS. It does what Optane does, but at a lower price, with more capacity, and no need to have a particular board or processor. (The unit can be put in any machine)
great review
i want to add an optane memory.i have a 600p m.2vssd 128gb and a 2 tb hard drive...I'm using 128gb ssd as a primary drive for boot and operating system.should i use an optane memory now?
I have 120gb 850 evo as C: drive and also 2tb hdd but my games on hdd what if buy optane my games will be faster? My games like bf1 gta v (over 50gb lots of games) Do I need to buy?
Nice review exactly match question about Optane
I picked up one of these on the cheap and can say I'm super impressed with it. It will speed up your mechanical to SSD speed or better and will double your SSD speed. Also 4k reads are through the roof as is super low latency + longevity. Benchmarks are interesting but real life is where its at and most stuff opens instantly. This baby will have a long life in my system as I can't yet afford the ultra expensive high capacity m.2 NVMe's.
who wants to spend £2000 nvme for 2 tb lol
I think it's able to load the game in general faster because it's the same frequently used files that are being loaded. It would probably speed up saved game loads if it's literally the exact same load point everytime. Not sure why someone would want to do that though so maybe it's a plus that optane doesn't cache that?
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Dude if all sponsorships were as interesting as this guys I wouldn’t skip through then 😂
Nice video, you forgot to mention that if someone wants to have a quick upgrade (without reinstalling windows) then Optane is a good solution
Even if I had a mother board with two M.2 slots, linking an Optane drive (OS not installed) to a M.2 drive (OS installed) would provide only a marginal performance improvement, if any, correct?
FYI, Intel Optane can now accelerate secondary SATA drives too.
Not to mention, I think it was Linus pointed out, it's strange, you need one of the newer motherboards, so why would someone have one of those newer motherboards and not get an SSD too.
Most people nowadays already have an SSD as a bootdrive and an HDD for games and stuff.
I was interested in using Optane for my i5-8400 build and speed up the HDD that has most of my games and apps (I use a 240gb boot drive).
Is it just me or do you also agree that kind of setup would be more appealing to you too?
so, in case of power loss, how does this product react? Are there any capacitors that complete the last transaction? Data is simply forgotten and rewritten on next boot? thanks
I could see how this would be a great tool to speed up grandma or moms pc/laptop but would it not be kinda true that the systems that they would have that could use this most likely don't have M.2 to begin with?
Yeah it doesn't make any sense. You'd have to buy a brand new PC anyways, so why would you not just get an SSD in the first place? The target audience for this product doesn't need crazy storage space in the first place, 275GB would be more than enough.
You can get at least 120GB good ssd instead of that useless uncontrollable 32GB
Just a proprietary cache technology like Crucial's momentum cache technology if you buy Crucial SSD. Except Crucial Momentum just use idle RAM as cache while Optane uses a tiny NVMe SSD. Momentum cache is designed to entice you to buy more RAM.
I would be interested to see if it makes a difference in situations where there is a Large capacity HDD that is quite full. I Agree with all of your conclusions so that is the only time I could see fronting the cash for this solution.
So does optane just world like a hybrid drive? It’s only faster for often used data?
Would it make any difference if I get two M.2's of a different brand and go RAID 0 on them on a ASUS Maximus XI Hero that has a chipset of Z390 using a i7-9700K ?
What about combining Optane Module with SSHD (hybrid HDD) e.g. firecuda drives? Do you think there would be any performance benefit?
if you have a board that has x2 m.2 slots and you have an m.2 as your primary drive and the second slot you have an optane drive, will they work together? and will it make any difference with boots times etc?
Super Helpful
Soooo it's like the SSD from hybrid hard drives but faster? :/
its exactly that. only now its controlled by the cpu rather than the hard drives micro controller.
No, that is just one application for it - there are other variations on the way, the most anticipated is a RAM-module..
same but different, and bots arent as good as pure flash storage
Its pointless , just get a ssd . it looks like intel only made it for to be a marketing point for another pointless thing thats kaby lake
+ABaunstumpf you got it wrong Intel Optane can be used for many purposes I am sure I could even use these exact sticks as RAM the reason it has many uses is because of the speed as RAM and caching would need higher performance storage mediums
Can someone help me? I'm deciding between a computer with a 240 GB SSD and 3TB HDD versus another version of the same computer with 32 GB optane memory and 3TB HDD... I have no idea what these things even mean but they are the same price & I'm confused between the 2 versions.
Thank you
Thank you that was constructif
Who still boots off a HDD nowdays, if this supported non boot drives this would be so much better.
Can you do a comparison between Intel optain and Seagates SSHD. To see which is better.
optane or the Samsung 960 pro NVME M.2? which is better?
You mentioned it would only work on one drive with os, if you had multiple m.2 in raid as one drive would that then work? Or is optane only for hard disk drives
would be nice if you compare it with seagate fire cuda(SSHD)
how come that the optane module in your tests is running off of a B250 motherboard when you said optane requires a Z270 chipset? is it actually just required to have a 200-Series motherboard?
I have thought of one application that this could be useful. what if you paired optane with a high capacity drive like a 8-10tb. If you were an information hog or had poor internet access (to stream), would this be better option to access that information faster?
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Wait Can someone explain this to me that it is similar to M.2 but only learns your most used applications. Which you can do it manually on a M.2
Its rediculously good when paired with high rpm hdd. My pc is up and running in 9 seconds.
if it takes up that slot on the motherboard, does that mean you cannot use a m.2 ssd with it?
They recently updated the driver so that you can pair it with a secondary non os SATA drive...so if you have an SSD as a boot drive and a 6tb HD with your apps and games you can use it. Of course your board needs 2 M.2 slots for that scenario.