I have actually been thinking about doing a video about this myself! I still may at some point. Great video and some interesting perspectives, even some that have me thinking maybe I should change some things for my credits. Namely, the Mantis/Rougarou scenario. I currently have only counted them as one credit, but your logic does hold some weight imo. I also don't count racing coasters as more than 1 credit in any case currently, but I can completely understand why some people do. The one thing I don't agree with is the relocations. Currently haven't ridden a coaster in one park then another after relocation, but I do plan on going to King's Dominion and riding Dominator this year, though I did ride it at Geauga Lake. I however, do NOT plan on counting it as a new credit. I just don't feel like it is warranted, but to each their own. I respect your opinion and as you said, the most important things is having FUN, which a lot of enthusiasts seem to forget!!!!!
Think about Kings Island Racer. It's actually two, totally separate roller coaster structures that have turnarounds that go in opposite directions. Two different coasters. However, Kennywood Racer is one coaster structure & track with two lift hills. Grand National, Twisted Colossus & others, too. Relocations I count once unless they've been completely changed, like Wild One. I had the pleasure of riding the Paragon Giant Coaster and it's so different (and way better) than Wild One that I count two different coasters.
Don’t know about rules 10 and 12 but can find me in the rest. My basic rule is that it has to be on RCDB, but of course this doesn’t account for most carnival rides, hence rule 10.
Yes! I agree with (almost) everything. The only thing I don't think I'd count are Racing Coasters. The main reason being that, for example, Cedar Point is considered as having 17 coasters, but if Gemini counted as 2, they'd have 18.
If a park has a log flume ride with twin tracks, they don't brag about having two log flume rides but each track might have different layouts....making them both different "rides". Twin coaster tracks are one ride but two different ride experiences because the inside track is going to give a tighter ride on the inside turns.....making it a different experience. Maybe? LOL Now, I'm so confused ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I completely agree EXCEPT I can't get behind Skywarps counting. To me they're identical to Larson Loops with the powered system, but beyond that they're only one single element of a coaster on repeat. To me it counts just as much as a drop tower (which doesn't count).
Personally, I wouldn't consider a relocated coaster or a skyline as a new credit, but everything else I agree with. Edit: My thoughts have changed. I would consider a skywarp as a credit. I still would not consider a relocated ride as a new credit, as it is still quite literally the same track. I would however consider the new Hulk a new credit, as it is completely different track and was completely rebuilt. I think of it as a clone.
I sometimes wonder if Skywarps were created just to troll enthusiasts I don't count credits as much these days, but I use several rules - Relocations do not count (I've ridden Dominator and the Boomerang from Geauga Lake at their new homes). I count Olympia Looping as one credit. - Racers are one credit, though I make an effort to ride both sides (I have both sides of Grand National, but only one side of Colossus because it was only operating one) - Dueling coasters are two credits (Gwazi, Dueling Dragons, Lightning Racer) - Duel track, but separate, coasters count multiple times (Space Mountain and Primeval Whirl) - Water coasters are debatable. Log flumes do not count - Upgrades are debatable. I never rode Steel Phantom, but might have considered it a different credit from Phantom's Revenge. Mantis is one credit for me. Flipping the train backwards does not create a new credit. - Powered coasters do not count, but I will ride them anyway - Kiddie coasters do count, but I will not go out of my way to get the credit - Superman at Magic Mountain is debatable, though the general consensus is that it is a coaster and I would count it as a single credit.
I've been wanting to find someone that agrees with the 'racing rollercoasters, 2 credits' thing! I live in the UK and only go to one park a year (most often the same one so that helps a lot..) since I'm 13 and have no free will to travel any further than my school xD so my credit count is very small, either way, both tracks are a different coaster, no matter how similar they are, just like a clone!
I’ve been on those dragon coasters at those carnivals they have in mall parking lots and at churches and I don’t know how many I’ve been on or if they use the same roller coaster each time and if they counts as the same credit each time, I’m going to count those as 2 because I’ve been to a carnival that had one at this church before and one in the parking lot at this mall I live by but I’ve been back to theses same carnivals that show up every year
Outside of rcdb.com but included on coaster-count.com are 1st gen Intamin freefall rides. I know some diehard enthusiasts may not include this, but I just think that before there was legitimate drop tower tech (which aren't coasters), Intamin had to use coaster tech (lift, coaster track, car and gravity) to create a drop coaster. It's no different than a Togo Ultratwister without the bunny hill and zero-g roll elements. It's just a top-hat element that uses an elevator lift where the drop is lying on your back instead of doing a 90-degree, downward facing drop. If the car was doing a 90-degree, downward facing drop after the lift, it would be on rcdb.com, I think.
I personally only count each side of a dueling/racing coaster if both sides are distinct and have different layouts, if there the same, they count as one. Also, I count one side of a dueling coaster as .5 Credits.
I 100% agree, actually, except for möbius coasters, where you leave after the first half (I believe a coaster like that is at Blackpool Pleasure Beach). On those, it is one complete track, but there are two stations, where new riders are able to get on, thus making it two new credits in my book; however, coasters like Twisted Colossus are 1 credit to me
My philosophy is if they're different tracks than it's a different credit. Gemini has 2 complete tracks so it's 2 tracks. Twisted colossus is 1 track so it's 1 credit. However mobius loops that go back to the station before riding the other side are 2 credits imo. But that technically means I believe the old hulk and new hulk at islands of adventure are 2 credits. Completely different ride. Just clone of one another in the same spot. Relocations are the same track so they're the same credit.
Now consider old woodies--they get retracked and rebuilt all the time, to the point where there's a "Ship of Theseus" situation where little or nothing of the original wood likely remains, definitely not the original track, though the layout may be the same. (Not in some cases, though.) Same credit or new credit? The Yankee Cannonball at Canobie Lake Park is often described as a relocation of a 1930 coaster from Lakewood Park in Connecticut, but Lakewood's Giant Coaster (from evidence of old postcards) had an essentially completely different layout--they just reused the wood. So would that be a different credit? (It may be that no one with a credit on Lakewood's Giant Coaster is still alive, so this is a bit academic.)
My boyfriend isn't letting me get some coaster creds "Oh but it's a kiddie coaster, you shouldnt worry about that too much". BUT BAB THERE'S NO LINE AND ITS STILL A CRED!
Here's my opinion on each rule here: 1. 1 Coaster = 1 credit My thoughts: I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with this. My final opinion: I agree. 2. Any seat only counts towards 1 credit My opinion: I agree. 3. Each side of a racing/dueling coaster count as 1 credit. My opinion: I agree. 4. Mobius coasters only count as 1 credit... unless its racer at Kennywood My thoughts: I won't lie; I had to look up a POV of Racer at Kennywood to see how it operates. I was very surprised to find out that Racer is a mobius coaster in terms of layout but isn't operated like one. My final opinion: I agree with mobius coasters being 1 credit. I think that I agree with Racer being 2 credits. 5. Mountain coasters are roller coasters too! My opinion: I agree. 6. Powered coasters count as a coaster credit My thoughts: This is where things start getting a little iffy with me. I personally do consider powered coasters as roller coasters (I think). At the same time, as of right now, I have only been on one powered coaster, that of which I do not have on my credits list because it is not on RCDB. At the moment, my credits list goes off of RCDB standards, regardless of if I agree with it or not. (for anyone who's wondering, the one powered coaster that I've been on is "the high in the sky Seuss trolley train ride" at Universal's Islands of Adventure) My final opinion: I agree that powered coasters are credits, but I personally don't put them on my list at the moment if it's not on RCDB. 7. Larson loopers don't count as credits My opinion: I agree. 8. Skywarps are roller coasters My thoughts: I honestly don't know on this one. I would personally count them on my list only because they are on RCDB. My final opinion: I don't know. 9. Log flume/shoot the rapids rides are not roller coasters My opinion: I agree. 9.2. Water coasters like Journey to Atlantice are roller coasters My opinion: I disagree. I have only been on the version at SeaWorld Orlando which is mostly a log flume with a roller coaster like element toward the end; ain't no way in hell that's a roller coaster. (I have it on my credits list only because it's on RCDB; this is the only ride that I've been on that RCDB says is a roller coaster and I disagree) I don't see how water coasters are any different from log flume/shoot the rapids rides, even with your reasoning. 10. Relocated roller coaster count as a new credit My thoughts: I have only been on one roller coaster that was relocated (to my knowledge) but I went on it after relocating and not before. That being said, I haven't needed to put that much thought into this, but I think that I agree. (for anyone who's wondering, the one relocated roller coaster that I've been on was (The) SandSerpent at Busch Gardens Tampa) My final opinion: I think that I agree but am not 100% sure. 11. Upgraded roller coasters count as a new credit My thoughts: I don't know and I think that it might depend on how much is changed. I don't think that I would count a retracked roller coaster as a new credit. An RMCd roller coaster is undoubtably a new credit. I think that it would depend on how much was changed and maybe how obvious the change was. My final opinion: I don't know but I think that it would depend on what was upgraded, how it was upgraded, and how much was upgraded. 12. Transformed roller coasters count as a new credit My opinion: I agree. 13. Each individual cloned coaster is its own credit My opinion: I agree. Sorry for the long comment.
-I'm mixed on powered coasters, but my position can be explained by if it has a clear gravity section, yes, if it doesn't, no. As a result, I do count many 2 story dark rides such as Wacky Shack at Waldameer, I do not count Mach mine trains such as Thunder Run. -I used to agree entirely with your view on log flumes, then I rode the one at Seabreeze this summer. Fun fact: this was built in house and was the first log flume ever built to my understanding, it was an upgrade to The Old Mill from the 1920s in adding a drop. Because the drop is dry you're actually rolling down it, and you get a very coaster-esque pop of airtime on the drop. Coaster Force tweeted a diagram a few years ago where the million dollar question to determining credits is "does it feel like a coaster?", which I think is a good determanant. Most log flumes don't count but if they have a dry drop I'll probably count it. -I'm on the 1 circut=1 credit view as far as racing coasters go
Do you consider BobKarts (not new generation) and alpine slides credits? I don't because they're not on RCDB. And what about Mr. Freeze turning backwards, do you consider it like Rougarou? Again, I don't consider it a new credit.
Racer, the beast, diamondback, mystic timbers, the banshee, adventure express, firehawk, flight of fear, invertigo, tornado, teddy bear, expedition everest, rockin’ rollercoaster, that one obscure legoland family farm coaster, the mummy, the rip-ride rockit, harrypotter vault ride, harrypotter through hogwarts, incredible hulk, and the disneyworld racing ride. 20 credits.
Such a subjective subject, almost not worth posting. I personally would say I rode a coaster before and after a retrack, like Nemesis will be the same credit, and the pepsi max big one has a very different first drop than when it first opened, but it's not a new credit. Also, Ikon is a credit whether you rode the Enso seats or not. They aren't seperate credits. Also, the idea of padding credits.. not fooling anyone... you've either ridden a coaster or not. All clones are a new credit, a moved coaster is a new credit.. but not specifically traveling coasters. Also, I'd rather ride a cloned coaster at a new park than sod about with kiddie coasters.. we see some UA-camrs not riding an slc because it's like another, but then ride the tiniest baby coaster instead. What a waste! If you are going to shun the identical SLC, use that time on the biggest, best, newest coaster at the park instead of queuing for a 8ft high wacky worm!!
I suspect the reason some people don't count mountain coasters is that, if counted, they dominate all the height and length records, which seems wrong for people who equate "tallest" and "longest" with huge coasters. I count powered coasters for one reason: it seems wrong to exclude the Dragon at Canobie Lake Park, which was my daughter's first cred and, easily, the coaster I have ridden the most times in my life since she would often want to ride it three or four times in a visit. Racing coasters are one thing, but how about rides that are mirrored or duplicated simply for capacity, like Walt Disney World's Space Mountain (or the late Primeval Whirl)? Two credits or one?
I just don't with Rule 10 about relocated coasters and Rule 12 transformed ones as they are more similar to a retheming or retracking. All for 11 and 13 about full track conversions and clones.
I can agree with the racer concept, they are technically independent tracks which should be counted as such. But I can't behind the relocation concept. Same ride...what does the location have to do with it? Good Video. 120 coasters
I would say racing coasters should only count as 2 if the track diverges. Otherwise the experience is pretty much the same on either side. It's a similar conundrum to superman at SFMM counting as one or two since they have 2 tracks to help with throughput.
I would say if it’s on a fully customizable track, it’s a credit, unless it’s very clearly a waterslide, so a log flume is a credit but a giant flume isn’t since there’s no variability and very little customisability, like a water _coaster_ has (unless there’s something significant about it like theming- escape from pompeii could be a credit but not any ol oval-shaped track with a drop). And a flat ride with a track (larson looper and imo the HQ ride) isn’t. And a racing coaster depends on how different the track is, rolling thunder=credit but gemini ain’t because they’re the exact same experience, you would get a more varied experience just switching seats on the same car than riding in the other train
I think incredible hulk (old vs new) count as two credits. Relocated coasters count as one credit except they transform it to a new type of coasters. One question i have here is about transportable coasters, carnival coasters. How u count them
The credits are 1, flashback at Six Flags Great Escape. 2, Richoshet at Carowinds (all further credits are at Carowinds so I won't mention park) 3 Carolina Goldrusher, 4 Copperhead Strike, 5 Fury 325, 6, Carolina Cobra, 7, Afterburn, 8 Intimadator Carowinds.
Mine are Primaveral Whirl, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, 7 Dwarves Mine Train and Goofy’s Barnstormer at Disneyworld, Big Dipper and Mad Mouse at Michigan’s Adventure, and Cruiser Coaster at Craig’s Cruisers Grand Rapids.
I feel guilty counting each Vekoma sitting-car boomerang as separate credits. If you rode one Vekoma BANGerang, you rode them all. LOL What about when a park turns a train around backwards to celebrate a coaster's benchmark birthday? To me, it is still the same ride.... no second credit. Hagrid's Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventure has a seat looking like a motorcycle sidecar which probably is basically a normal coaster ride experience AND has a seat that is a motorcycle seat which probably gives a very different ride experience just like a situation where a stand up coaster is changed to a sit down coaster...…. so 2 credits ? One for sidecar, One for motorcycle. ? ? ? ? ?
@XscreamThrills I mean at this point, if a roller coaster that has collapsed one time is opening before a coaster with no problems I’m aware of, I’m pretty sure it could take that long.
What’s your opinion on a roller coaster that features a backwards seat at the end of the train? I say not a new credit but I’m interested to hear your take
What about Demon Drop at Dorney Park? It definitely doesn't seem like a credit to me, but it looks like coaster-count.com would count it, just not under the strict count, like they do for water, powered, & alpine coasters. I plan on visiting this park this summer, and that would be a controversial one to count.
I would consider Demon drop a coaster. It acts and functions just like a roller coaster. Though I wouldn't fight it if everyone else said it doesn't count
my biggest thing is always dueling / racing coasters. i usually count them as 1 ala thunder road and rebel yell since it's the same on both sides, but when it came down to dueling dragons at isle of adventure i counted it as 2 since each side was to me very different.
I need to get this out of my system. WHY DO SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT THOSE TINY TRAINS THAT GO AROUND IN CIRCLES ARE COASTERS?!?!! THEY ARE TRAINS!! THERE IS NO COASTER TRACK!! Ok I'm done with that now I'm 13 and are completely invested in rollercoasters, wondering how I can count credits without using memory or paying £3 for an app that counts them for me. I think it would be a fun pass time since a lot of things are going on with school ect. I don't visit many different parks and wouldn't be too interested in going out of my way to get on a caterpillar coaster, I think it would just be fun! Any recommendations?
What about GCI's retracking of Ghostrider? It went from being completely awful to topping lists. People can't sit here and tell me that it doesn't count as a new credit when GCI basically "RMC'd" Ghostrider.
What if they are running the trains backwards? At SFGAm, they've operated Batman, Viper and American Eagle backwards over the years. I've ridden these variation and each one is a radically different experience than the forward running trains. In my opinion, these should count as a separate credit.
Would riding both sides of space mountain count as only one? In Disneyland version would hyperspace mountain and ghost Galaxy and classic all count the same? Also same thing for dragon challenge at universal which by the way is unobtainable?
A powered "coaster" is not a roller coaster. It doesn't coast. By definition a roller coaster must coast the majority of it's ride. If you count powered "coasters" then it makes no sense to _not_ count Larson Loops. If someone won't count a mountain coaster as a roller coaster because you can operate the brakes, then the scenic railways overseas that still have brake operators on the train aren't roller coasters either. Like Tivoli Gardens and Great Yarmouth.
I have questions. who keeps official track of all these "credits"? is there some website? a punch card? how is all of this tracked? a phone app of some sort?
I agree with most of these videos but I still do not understand why Larson Loops not roller coasters and Skywards are. From my perspective, Larson loops are powered coasters that have the simplest layout ever possible for something that goes upside down, and to me it appears that they do use gravity for part of the ride. As for log flumes and chute the chutes, I would also consider them credits because they have lift hills, a track, gravity powered drops, and wheels. Basically, anything that has a track and wheels that is not flat on the ground is a credit for me. This includes drop towers, (the free falll kinds, not the S&S Power Tower ones)
See I don’t agree with the relocation rule. It’s the same coaster. Also if a coaster is completely retracked (Like hulk, gale force andGreat Nor Easter) then it’s a new credit, since it’s an entire new coaster and s better experience
I’m slightly surprised to see which “rules” people are objecting to most here. Almost all of these rules are squarely in the majority (I’m not weighing in on right or wrong - just saying they’re in the majority, so I wouldn’t expect objections so much). However, one rule here - Skywarps - is quite iffy, and my sense is that the enthusiast world is quite split over them. And one rule here - powered coasters - is to my experience a clear minority opinion, so I’m most surprised no one has mentioned this one yet.
XscreamThrills Well, coasting via gravity seems to be one of the most common primary criteria most enthusiasts give, and once powered coasters are accepted, some would say that blurs the lines even with a lot of dark rides, like, say, the Alice in Wonderland ride at Disneyland. As for me, I mostly avoid getting too worked up about this stuff and rely on coaster-count to do most of my classifying for me, lol.
XscreamThrills LOL- I just realized that I have CW’s Thunder Run and Back at the Barnyard Hayride in my coaster credits, both of which are considered powered coasters. 😂
I disagree with the relocated coasters one. It’s the exact same track In a different location - not a new credit IMO. Also entire retracks are new credits and the trains travel across entirely new track. However Rougarou/mantis is only 1 credit because the track is the same. All about the track IMO.
Charlie Newbold the one place I kinda see relocated credits as a gray area would be relocated cloned coasters. If you consider cloned coasters credits, then what would make say a boomerang relocated from somewhere any less of a credit than a brand new boomerang. Because of that, I think making all relocations new credits is a better option.
Atm2222 the relocated boomerang is still a credit; just not a new credit. I.e: if you rode that exact boomerang in its previous location, you wouldn’t gain an extra credit if you rode it in it’s new location. I don’t think the fact that it’s a clone makes much of a difference.
I've always liked the way you think, and that definitely continues here. I think you covered all bases, and explained yourself very well. I wondered about power coasters, since I don't hear too many opinions about them. I haven't ridden one, but plan to this year, so I wasn't sure if I should count it. Mantis to Rougarou was another curious one for me. Counting it as 2 puts me at 200 coasters even, with Twisted Colossus getting that honor. In my rankings, Mantis would be somewhere around # 80 for me, but Rougarou would probably be closer to # 130. That dramatic of a difference in experience made me think that I should count it as a new credit. I totally agree with your rule on mobius coasters. TC is 1 credit, Kennywood's Racer is 2. I think I agree with all your rules except for # 10. I did Flashback/Boomerang at SFOT, and rode it again after it moved to St Louis. I didn't give myself an extra credit there, because the structure and train type are the exact same. By my logic there, riding both Hulks would be 2 credits, because it's a different structure. It's basically a clone, just simply in the same spot. But considering how many points of contention there are regarding credits, we did pretty good in how much we agree. And it's cool that our coaster counts are almost the same.
Hey, I've earned your missing four credits lmao. The Dahlonega Mine Train, and Mindbender at Six Flags Over Georgia. Pandemonium, and The Runaway Mine Train at Six Flags Over Texas. Nothing special, but hey there you go.
I class something like the grand national as 1 because it's one track. But superman escape from krypton is 2 because they're not connected. Log flume with coaster sections I class a credits as well.
Powered coasters count? Even if they don't rely on gravity or momentum? So train rides are credits? What about the High in the Sky Seuss Train at Islands of Adventure? What's the difference between a themed powered coaster and a dark ride?
@@XscreamThrills Fire in the Hole and Blazing Fury are credits specifically because they use gravity and momentum in the finale. Escape from Gringotts is also a credit because of gravity and momentum. But if something is powered for the entire course (which many rides that are called "powered coasters" are) then I don't see how that qualifies.
well what about something like matterhorn and the new for 2012 single rider trains, are those different coasters? what about something like superman escape from krypton and trains forwards and backwards?
Getting down to the semantics, I like that! I'd say both sides of Matterhorn are their each credit. Superman Escape from Krypton, each side its own credit, but no to forwards/backwards.
no, what I mean is that from 1959-2011 it had trains ware 1 person had 2 sit on another person and they changed it in 2012 to have single rider trains, is 59 matterhorn and 12 matterhorn different rides?
wait, if a b&m sit down coaster got converted in 2 a floorless, would it be a new credit? we say floorless conversions are new coasters- wait, is do-dompa and do-do-dompa new coasters, is pipe scream a coaster-is intamin 1st gen drop towers coasters it rolls and it coast's but it's a drop tower wait what about backyard coasters like blue flash er- AHHH MY HEAD HURTS
I have more
ALPINE COASTER credits (30)
than
NORMAL COASTER credits (23)
xD
Considering your name (Swiss) that makes sense.
Holy crap, I couldn’t have put it better myself! I agree 100% with your rules.
I agree too!!!
I just ride roller coasters for the fun of riding them tbh.
I have actually been thinking about doing a video about this myself! I still may at some point. Great video and some interesting perspectives, even some that have me thinking maybe I should change some things for my credits. Namely, the Mantis/Rougarou scenario. I currently have only counted them as one credit, but your logic does hold some weight imo. I also don't count racing coasters as more than 1 credit in any case currently, but I can completely understand why some people do.
The one thing I don't agree with is the relocations. Currently haven't ridden a coaster in one park then another after relocation, but I do plan on going to King's Dominion and riding Dominator this year, though I did ride it at Geauga Lake. I however, do NOT plan on counting it as a new credit. I just don't feel like it is warranted, but to each their own. I respect your opinion and as you said, the most important things is having FUN, which a lot of enthusiasts seem to forget!!!!!
Think about Kings Island Racer. It's actually two, totally separate roller coaster structures that have turnarounds that go in opposite directions. Two different coasters. However, Kennywood Racer is one coaster structure & track with two lift hills. Grand National, Twisted Colossus & others, too.
Relocations I count once unless they've been completely changed, like Wild One. I had the pleasure of riding the Paragon Giant Coaster and it's so different (and way better) than Wild One that I count two different coasters.
Time to flex my superior 36 coaster credits
Don’t know about rules 10 and 12 but can find me in the rest. My basic rule is that it has to be on RCDB, but of course this doesn’t account for most carnival rides, hence rule 10.
Yes! I agree with (almost) everything.
The only thing I don't think I'd count are Racing Coasters. The main reason being that, for example, Cedar Point is considered as having 17 coasters, but if Gemini counted as 2, they'd have 18.
If a park has a log flume ride with twin tracks, they don't brag about having two log flume rides but each track might have different layouts....making them both different "rides". Twin coaster tracks are one ride but two different ride experiences because the inside track is going to give a tighter ride on the inside turns.....making it a different experience. Maybe? LOL Now, I'm so confused ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Thank you!
I completely agree EXCEPT I can't get behind Skywarps counting. To me they're identical to Larson Loops with the powered system, but beyond that they're only one single element of a coaster on repeat. To me it counts just as much as a drop tower (which doesn't count).
You showed kennywood so many times, it makes me happy that it’s my home park :)
Personally, I wouldn't consider a relocated coaster or a skyline as a new credit, but everything else I agree with.
Edit: My thoughts have changed. I would consider a skywarp as a credit. I still would not consider a relocated ride as a new credit, as it is still quite literally the same track. I would however consider the new Hulk a new credit, as it is completely different track and was completely rebuilt. I think of it as a clone.
I sometimes wonder if Skywarps were created just to troll enthusiasts
I don't count credits as much these days, but I use several rules
- Relocations do not count (I've ridden Dominator and the Boomerang from Geauga Lake at their new homes). I count Olympia Looping as one credit.
- Racers are one credit, though I make an effort to ride both sides (I have both sides of Grand National, but only one side of Colossus because it was only operating one)
- Dueling coasters are two credits (Gwazi, Dueling Dragons, Lightning Racer)
- Duel track, but separate, coasters count multiple times (Space Mountain and Primeval Whirl)
- Water coasters are debatable. Log flumes do not count
- Upgrades are debatable. I never rode Steel Phantom, but might have considered it a different credit from Phantom's Revenge. Mantis is one credit for me. Flipping the train backwards does not create a new credit.
- Powered coasters do not count, but I will ride them anyway
- Kiddie coasters do count, but I will not go out of my way to get the credit
- Superman at Magic Mountain is debatable, though the general consensus is that it is a coaster and I would count it as a single credit.
I've been wanting to find someone that agrees with the 'racing rollercoasters, 2 credits' thing! I live in the UK and only go to one park a year (most often the same one so that helps a lot..) since I'm 13 and have no free will to travel any further than my school xD so my credit count is very small, either way, both tracks are a different coaster, no matter how similar they are, just like a clone!
I’ve been on those dragon coasters at those carnivals they have in mall parking lots and at churches and I don’t know how many I’ve been on or if they use the same roller coaster each time and if they counts as the same credit each time, I’m going to count those as 2 because I’ve been to a carnival that had one at this church before and one in the parking lot at this mall I live by but I’ve been back to theses same carnivals that show up every year
I wasnt sure if i shouldve counted Space Mountain in Orlando as 2 credits, so i did.
I mean, there's no rules so go for it!
I disagree with the dueling coasters (not mobius). It’s literally the same ride.
For the racing coaster credit I would only count it if they layouts are completely different
For example: dragon challenge and lightning racer
It's a tough one though because how different do they need to be?
the super loop is not a real rollercoaster...this message is for six sorryyyyyyy azz zz flags over Texas!
Outside of rcdb.com but included on coaster-count.com are 1st gen Intamin freefall rides. I know some diehard enthusiasts may not include this, but I just think that before there was legitimate drop tower tech (which aren't coasters), Intamin had to use coaster tech (lift, coaster track, car and gravity) to create a drop coaster. It's no different than a Togo Ultratwister without the bunny hill and zero-g roll elements. It's just a top-hat element that uses an elevator lift where the drop is lying on your back instead of doing a 90-degree, downward facing drop. If the car was doing a 90-degree, downward facing drop after the lift, it would be on rcdb.com, I think.
Yeah I never got how superman at SFMM counted on rcdb but the 1st Gen Intamin freefalls didn't.
I count Intamin freefalls as a coaster
Your rules are strict af, yet accurate! Edited: are drop towers like Drop Zone and The Edge (Great America) considered coasters?
I haven't considered them credits
I personally only count each side of a dueling/racing coaster if both sides are distinct and have different layouts, if there the same, they count as one. Also, I count one side of a dueling coaster as .5 Credits.
To each his own
It don’t agree with all rules, but let’s agree to disagree. But what is your opinion on this model? I say “hell na”: rcdb.com/1992.htm
I don't think they're coasters
I would use half credits but only if you're evacuated during the middle of a ride or if you get a rollback and don't get to complete the ride.
A rollback is like a bonus credit 😁
Wow, I agree with all of them!
I 100% agree, actually, except for möbius coasters, where you leave after the first half (I believe a coaster like that is at Blackpool Pleasure Beach). On those, it is one complete track, but there are two stations, where new riders are able to get on, thus making it two new credits in my book; however, coasters like Twisted Colossus are 1 credit to me
I think you are agreeing with him on the möbius rules.
@@StamfordBridge Maybe, I got confused 😅
I pretty much agree with everything here though I'm still split on shoot the chutes rides since it fits pretty much all of my criteria.
"if its count on logride, it counts for me" -me, a lazy man
What is a roller coaster credit? I just ride coasters for fun.
It's just tracking each individual roller coaster you ride
These are my exact rules. Awesome list. Keep up the great videos!!!!
My philosophy is if they're different tracks than it's a different credit. Gemini has 2 complete tracks so it's 2 tracks. Twisted colossus is 1 track so it's 1 credit. However mobius loops that go back to the station before riding the other side are 2 credits imo. But that technically means I believe the old hulk and new hulk at islands of adventure are 2 credits. Completely different ride. Just clone of one another in the same spot. Relocations are the same track so they're the same credit.
I think your logic is sound!
Now consider old woodies--they get retracked and rebuilt all the time, to the point where there's a "Ship of Theseus" situation where little or nothing of the original wood likely remains, definitely not the original track, though the layout may be the same. (Not in some cases, though.) Same credit or new credit?
The Yankee Cannonball at Canobie Lake Park is often described as a relocation of a 1930 coaster from Lakewood Park in Connecticut, but Lakewood's Giant Coaster (from evidence of old postcards) had an essentially completely different layout--they just reused the wood. So would that be a different credit? (It may be that no one with a credit on Lakewood's Giant Coaster is still alive, so this is a bit academic.)
My boyfriend isn't letting me get some coaster creds "Oh but it's a kiddie coaster, you shouldnt worry about that too much". BUT BAB THERE'S NO LINE AND ITS STILL A CRED!
Rule 3
Airtime Thrills: Actually.....
What about a Disko ride? I know they are more commonly referred to as a flat ride, but it coasts back and forth like a shuttle.
Here's my opinion on each rule here:
1. 1 Coaster = 1 credit
My thoughts: I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with this.
My final opinion: I agree.
2. Any seat only counts towards 1 credit
My opinion: I agree.
3. Each side of a racing/dueling coaster count as 1 credit.
My opinion: I agree.
4. Mobius coasters only count as 1 credit... unless its racer at Kennywood
My thoughts: I won't lie; I had to look up a POV of Racer at Kennywood to see how it operates. I was very surprised to find out that Racer is a mobius coaster in terms of layout but isn't operated like one.
My final opinion: I agree with mobius coasters being 1 credit. I think that I agree with Racer being 2 credits.
5. Mountain coasters are roller coasters too!
My opinion: I agree.
6. Powered coasters count as a coaster credit
My thoughts: This is where things start getting a little iffy with me. I personally do consider powered coasters as roller coasters (I think). At the same time, as of right now, I have only been on one powered coaster, that of which I do not have on my credits list because it is not on RCDB. At the moment, my credits list goes off of RCDB standards, regardless of if I agree with it or not. (for anyone who's wondering, the one powered coaster that I've been on is "the high in the sky Seuss trolley train ride" at Universal's Islands of Adventure)
My final opinion: I agree that powered coasters are credits, but I personally don't put them on my list at the moment if it's not on RCDB.
7. Larson loopers don't count as credits
My opinion: I agree.
8. Skywarps are roller coasters
My thoughts: I honestly don't know on this one. I would personally count them on my list only because they are on RCDB.
My final opinion: I don't know.
9. Log flume/shoot the rapids rides are not roller coasters
My opinion: I agree.
9.2. Water coasters like Journey to Atlantice are roller coasters
My opinion: I disagree. I have only been on the version at SeaWorld Orlando which is mostly a log flume with a roller coaster like element toward the end; ain't no way in hell that's a roller coaster. (I have it on my credits list only because it's on RCDB; this is the only ride that I've been on that RCDB says is a roller coaster and I disagree) I don't see how water coasters are any different from log flume/shoot the rapids rides, even with your reasoning.
10. Relocated roller coaster count as a new credit
My thoughts: I have only been on one roller coaster that was relocated (to my knowledge) but I went on it after relocating and not before. That being said, I haven't needed to put that much thought into this, but I think that I agree. (for anyone who's wondering, the one relocated roller coaster that I've been on was (The) SandSerpent at Busch Gardens Tampa)
My final opinion: I think that I agree but am not 100% sure.
11. Upgraded roller coasters count as a new credit
My thoughts: I don't know and I think that it might depend on how much is changed. I don't think that I would count a retracked roller coaster as a new credit. An RMCd roller coaster is undoubtably a new credit. I think that it would depend on how much was changed and maybe how obvious the change was.
My final opinion: I don't know but I think that it would depend on what was upgraded, how it was upgraded, and how much was upgraded.
12. Transformed roller coasters count as a new credit
My opinion: I agree.
13. Each individual cloned coaster is its own credit
My opinion: I agree.
Sorry for the long comment.
-I'm mixed on powered coasters, but my position can be explained by if it has a clear gravity section, yes, if it doesn't, no. As a result, I do count many 2 story dark rides such as Wacky Shack at Waldameer, I do not count Mach mine trains such as Thunder Run.
-I used to agree entirely with your view on log flumes, then I rode the one at Seabreeze this summer. Fun fact: this was built in house and was the first log flume ever built to my understanding, it was an upgrade to The Old Mill from the 1920s in adding a drop. Because the drop is dry you're actually rolling down it, and you get a very coaster-esque pop of airtime on the drop. Coaster Force tweeted a diagram a few years ago where the million dollar question to determining credits is "does it feel like a coaster?", which I think is a good determanant. Most log flumes don't count but if they have a dry drop I'll probably count it.
-I'm on the 1 circut=1 credit view as far as racing coasters go
Do you consider BobKarts (not new generation) and alpine slides credits? I don't because they're not on RCDB. And what about Mr. Freeze turning backwards, do you consider it like Rougarou? Again, I don't consider it a new credit.
Racer, the beast, diamondback, mystic timbers, the banshee, adventure express, firehawk, flight of fear, invertigo, tornado, teddy bear, expedition everest, rockin’ rollercoaster, that one obscure legoland family farm coaster, the mummy, the rip-ride rockit, harrypotter vault ride, harrypotter through hogwarts, incredible hulk, and the disneyworld racing ride. 20 credits.
Oh thank god, he agrees that racers are 2 credits
Such a subjective subject, almost not worth posting.
I personally would say I rode a coaster before and after a retrack, like Nemesis will be the same credit, and the pepsi max big one has a very different first drop than when it first opened, but it's not a new credit.
Also, Ikon is a credit whether you rode the Enso seats or not. They aren't seperate credits.
Also, the idea of padding credits.. not fooling anyone... you've either ridden a coaster or not.
All clones are a new credit, a moved coaster is a new credit.. but not specifically traveling coasters.
Also, I'd rather ride a cloned coaster at a new park than sod about with kiddie coasters.. we see some UA-camrs not riding an slc because it's like another, but then ride the tiniest baby coaster instead. What a waste! If you are going to shun the identical SLC, use that time on the biggest, best, newest coaster at the park instead of queuing for a 8ft high wacky worm!!
Are Top Thrill Dragster and Top Thrill 2 different credits?
I agree with most things said, but this is entirely opinionated. Feel free to do whatever you want.
What about twisted colossus
1 credit
I suspect the reason some people don't count mountain coasters is that, if counted, they dominate all the height and length records, which seems wrong for people who equate "tallest" and "longest" with huge coasters.
I count powered coasters for one reason: it seems wrong to exclude the Dragon at Canobie Lake Park, which was my daughter's first cred and, easily, the coaster I have ridden the most times in my life since she would often want to ride it three or four times in a visit.
Racing coasters are one thing, but how about rides that are mirrored or duplicated simply for capacity, like Walt Disney World's Space Mountain (or the late Primeval Whirl)? Two credits or one?
Bolt on carnival cruise is a new credit each time you ride. Its technically been relocated if the ship is moving right?
I just don't with Rule 10 about relocated coasters and Rule 12 transformed ones as they are more similar to a retheming or retracking. All for 11 and 13 about full track conversions and clones.
What about the new hamster wheel mix with the spinning coaster does that count as 2 credits?
I wouldn't count it as another credit, but if you think so than sure 👍
@@XscreamThrills ye vanobie coaster does and some others so idk hard one to say
i have over 327. my 100th was The voyage. 200 was top thrill dragster and 300 was x2
I can agree with the racer concept, they are technically independent tracks which should be counted as such. But I can't behind the relocation concept. Same ride...what does the location have to do with it? Good Video. 120 coasters
I would say racing coasters should only count as 2 if the track diverges. Otherwise the experience is pretty much the same on either side. It's a similar conundrum to superman at SFMM counting as one or two since they have 2 tracks to help with throughput.
Dumb question. Do defunct coasters count as a credit?
I would say if it’s on a fully customizable track, it’s a credit, unless it’s very clearly a waterslide, so a log flume is a credit but a giant flume isn’t since there’s no variability and very little customisability, like a water _coaster_ has (unless there’s something significant about it like theming- escape from pompeii could be a credit but not any ol oval-shaped track with a drop). And a flat ride with a track (larson looper and imo the HQ ride) isn’t.
And a racing coaster depends on how different the track is, rolling thunder=credit but gemini ain’t because they’re the exact same experience, you would get a more varied experience just switching seats on the same car than riding in the other train
The SBF Big Air Model, does it count as 2 credits if you ride the normal carts and the hamster wheel?
I think incredible hulk (old vs new) count as two credits. Relocated coasters count as one credit except they transform it to a new type of coasters. One question i have here is about transportable coasters, carnival coasters. How u count them
I’ve ridden Mean Streak at Cedar Point but I haven’t ridden Steel Vengeance which is obviously a new credit
Relocated coasters are not new credits
Neither are coasters with a different type of train
I have 8 credits, thus I have 0.8 pride😂
It's 9 now, I rode Smokey mountain alpine coaster a few weeks ago
The credits are 1, flashback at Six Flags Great Escape. 2, Richoshet at Carowinds (all further credits are at Carowinds so I won't mention park) 3 Carolina Goldrusher, 4 Copperhead Strike, 5 Fury 325, 6, Carolina Cobra, 7, Afterburn, 8 Intimadator Carowinds.
We all gotta start somewhere 👍
@@XscreamThrills yup, I'm just glad my home park is Carowinds, being as awesome as it is.
Mine are Primaveral Whirl, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, 7 Dwarves Mine Train and Goofy’s Barnstormer at Disneyworld, Big Dipper and Mad Mouse at Michigan’s Adventure, and Cruiser Coaster at Craig’s Cruisers Grand Rapids.
I just count one credit per RCDB page, so I don’t really agree with the racing rule
what about those spinning frisbee rides on the track?
My only rule is if it is on rcdb it’s a coaster
Good rule to follow
XscreamThrills lol yep
Do you count kid and family coasters??
I feel guilty counting each Vekoma sitting-car boomerang as separate credits. If you rode one Vekoma BANGerang, you rode them all. LOL
What about when a park turns a train around backwards to celebrate a coaster's benchmark birthday? To me, it is still the same ride.... no second credit.
Hagrid's Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventure has a seat looking like a motorcycle sidecar which probably is basically a normal coaster ride experience AND has a seat that is a motorcycle seat which probably gives a very different ride experience just like a situation where a stand up coaster is changed to a sit down coaster...…. so 2 credits ? One for sidecar, One for motorcycle. ? ? ? ? ?
I think someone has fallen too far into the rabbit hole. 😁
Are you sure WCR will open this year?
🤷♂️ possibly
@XscreamThrills I mean at this point, if a roller coaster that has collapsed one time is opening before a coaster with no problems I’m aware of, I’m pretty sure it could take that long.
What do you think about disco coasters ?
I don't consider them coasters, but to each his/her own
@@XscreamThrills Personally I don't really know what to think
What’s your opinion on a roller coaster that features a backwards seat at the end of the train? I say not a new credit but I’m interested to hear your take
Interesting take. It almost functions like a separate credit, but I wouldn't consider it one. Maybe bragging rights though 😁
What about Demon Drop at Dorney Park? It definitely doesn't seem like a credit to me, but it looks like coaster-count.com would count it, just not under the strict count, like they do for water, powered, & alpine coasters. I plan on visiting this park this summer, and that would be a controversial one to count.
I would consider Demon drop a coaster. It acts and functions just like a roller coaster. Though I wouldn't fight it if everyone else said it doesn't count
my biggest thing is always dueling / racing coasters. i usually count them as 1 ala thunder road and rebel yell since it's the same on both sides, but when it came down to dueling dragons at isle of adventure i counted it as 2 since each side was to me very different.
Dueling dragons was 2 different coasters
Just saw your video right now. Sorry I'm late. But wow, great job. You thought about everything.
Thank you!
You're welcome.
If I can use a debit card than it ain’t a credit.
I need to get this out of my system.
WHY DO SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT THOSE TINY TRAINS THAT GO AROUND IN CIRCLES ARE COASTERS?!?!! THEY ARE TRAINS!! THERE IS NO COASTER TRACK!! Ok I'm done with that now
I'm 13 and are completely invested in rollercoasters, wondering how I can count credits without using memory or paying £3 for an app that counts them for me. I think it would be a fun pass time since a lot of things are going on with school ect. I don't visit many different parks and wouldn't be too interested in going out of my way to get on a caterpillar coaster, I think it would just be fun! Any recommendations?
I use an excel spreadsheet
ugh i don’t want to count dueling coasters as 2 because then steel vengeance wouldn’t be my 50th lol
Lol
What about GCI's retracking of Ghostrider? It went from being completely awful to topping lists. People can't sit here and tell me that it doesn't count as a new credit when GCI basically "RMC'd" Ghostrider.
If you think it's a new credit, then go for it!
What if they are running the trains backwards? At SFGAm, they've operated Batman, Viper and American Eagle backwards over the years. I've ridden these variation and each one is a radically different experience than the forward running trains. In my opinion, these should count as a separate credit.
If you feel it's another credit, go for it! 👍
What about KW's old Log Jammer? It had a coaster part to it. ;)
Lol nope
I know regular disk-o's aren't credits but what about the modified ones such as Pipe Scream or Surf dog? Are they credits?
Ehh, it's complicated? Idk 🤷♂️
Would riding both sides of space mountain count as only one? In Disneyland version would hyperspace mountain and ghost Galaxy and classic all count the same?
Also same thing for dragon challenge at universal which by the way is unobtainable?
Space Mountain MK is 2 credits if you ride both sides. Dragon Challenge 2 credits. Space mountain 1 credit regardless which version time of year
A powered "coaster" is not a roller coaster. It doesn't coast. By definition a roller coaster must coast the majority of it's ride. If you count powered "coasters" then it makes no sense to _not_ count Larson Loops.
If someone won't count a mountain coaster as a roller coaster because you can operate the brakes, then the scenic railways overseas that still have brake operators on the train aren't roller coasters either. Like Tivoli Gardens and Great Yarmouth.
Which is why it's all semantics deciding what counts as a credit or what doesn't
I have questions. who keeps official track of all these "credits"? is there some website? a punch card? how is all of this tracked? a phone app of some sort?
There are certain apps that you can use, but I simply keep an excel spreadsheet
I agree with most of these videos but I still do not understand why Larson Loops not roller coasters and Skywards are. From my perspective, Larson loops are powered coasters that have the simplest layout ever possible for something that goes upside down, and to me it appears that they do use gravity for part of the ride. As for log flumes and chute the chutes, I would also consider them credits because they have lift hills, a track, gravity powered drops, and wheels. Basically, anything that has a track and wheels that is not flat on the ground is a credit for me. This includes drop towers, (the free falll kinds, not the S&S Power Tower ones)
You're clearly pathetic and desperate to get credits
Do you count carnival coasters credit even though they're traviling coasters?
Sure
Kiddie coasters shouldn’t be counted as a credit, they’re just dumb wastes of time.
Not for kiddies though 🤣
Not super loops
Don't agree on the clone one
Question for number 2, what if it has spinning train in the back like Icon?
That's an interesting question. I don't think it counts as a new credit, but won't argue if you say it does either 😁
If a certain ride stays the same ride but changes the name and theming, would it be a different credit?
No new credit
these rules are exact
Rcbd👌
See I don’t agree with the relocation rule. It’s the same coaster. Also if a coaster is completely retracked (Like hulk, gale force andGreat Nor Easter) then it’s a new credit, since it’s an entire new coaster and s better experience
I’m slightly surprised to see which “rules” people are objecting to most here. Almost all of these rules are squarely in the majority (I’m not weighing in on right or wrong - just saying they’re in the majority, so I wouldn’t expect objections so much). However, one rule here - Skywarps - is quite iffy, and my sense is that the enthusiast world is quite split over them. And one rule here - powered coasters - is to my experience a clear minority opinion, so I’m most surprised no one has mentioned this one yet.
There's not that many powered coasters out there so maybe that's why no one mentions them.
XscreamThrills Well, coasting via gravity seems to be one of the most common primary criteria most enthusiasts give, and once powered coasters are accepted, some would say that blurs the lines even with a lot of dark rides, like, say, the Alice in Wonderland ride at Disneyland.
As for me, I mostly avoid getting too worked up about this stuff and rely on coaster-count to do most of my classifying for me, lol.
XscreamThrills LOL- I just realized that I have CW’s Thunder Run and Back at the Barnyard Hayride in my coaster credits, both of which are considered powered coasters. 😂
Roller Coaster = Pipe Scream
Jk
I count pipe scream as a credit. Its fun and it coasts. Just collected 17 credits at cedar point last week.
I disagree with the relocated coasters one. It’s the exact same track In a different location - not a new credit IMO. Also entire retracks are new credits and the trains travel across entirely new track. However Rougarou/mantis is only 1 credit because the track is the same. All about the track IMO.
Charlie Newbold the one place I kinda see relocated credits as a gray area would be relocated cloned coasters. If you consider cloned coasters credits, then what would make say a boomerang relocated from somewhere any less of a credit than a brand new boomerang. Because of that, I think making all relocations new credits is a better option.
Atm2222 the relocated boomerang is still a credit; just not a new credit. I.e: if you rode that exact boomerang in its previous location, you wouldn’t gain an extra credit if you rode it in it’s new location. I don’t think the fact that it’s a clone makes much of a difference.
Charlie Newbold exact facts
Is Dudley's Do-Right one to you?
No
I've always liked the way you think, and that definitely continues here. I think you covered all bases, and explained yourself very well. I wondered about power coasters, since I don't hear too many opinions about them. I haven't ridden one, but plan to this year, so I wasn't sure if I should count it. Mantis to Rougarou was another curious one for me. Counting it as 2 puts me at 200 coasters even, with Twisted Colossus getting that honor. In my rankings, Mantis would be somewhere around # 80 for me, but Rougarou would probably be closer to # 130. That dramatic of a difference in experience made me think that I should count it as a new credit. I totally agree with your rule on mobius coasters. TC is 1 credit, Kennywood's Racer is 2.
I think I agree with all your rules except for # 10. I did Flashback/Boomerang at SFOT, and rode it again after it moved to St Louis. I didn't give myself an extra credit there, because the structure and train type are the exact same. By my logic there, riding both Hulks would be 2 credits, because it's a different structure. It's basically a clone, just simply in the same spot. But considering how many points of contention there are regarding credits, we did pretty good in how much we agree. And it's cool that our coaster counts are almost the same.
I look at Hulk more like a ride refurbishment even though the entire thing was replaced. Hulk is an anomaly
Hey, I've earned your missing four credits lmao.
The Dahlonega Mine Train, and Mindbender at Six Flags Over Georgia.
Pandemonium, and The Runaway Mine Train at Six Flags Over Texas.
Nothing special, but hey there you go.
I class something like the grand national as 1 because it's one track. But superman escape from krypton is 2 because they're not connected. Log flume with coaster sections I class a credits as well.
Powered coasters count? Even if they don't rely on gravity or momentum? So train rides are credits? What about the High in the Sky Seuss Train at Islands of Adventure? What's the difference between a themed powered coaster and a dark ride?
I think a lot of powered coaster still use Gravity at certain sections of the ride, but it is a grey area and stays to blur the line
@@XscreamThrills Fire in the Hole and Blazing Fury are credits specifically because they use gravity and momentum in the finale. Escape from Gringotts is also a credit because of gravity and momentum. But if something is powered for the entire course (which many rides that are called "powered coasters" are) then I don't see how that qualifies.
What about twisted colossus?
Single credit
Have you ever used planet coaster or another coaster creator. One more question when you build a coaster which is your favorite to work with.
You also mentioned my home town park worlds of fun what did you think of the place.
I do have Planet Coaster. Eventually i might do a video about it. On another note, I've never been to World's of Fun, but hopefully soon!
I thought a Larson loop was a powered coaster and therefor powered coasters are not credits surely.
If it's on RCDB it's a credit
well what about something like matterhorn and the new for 2012 single rider trains, are those different coasters? what about something like superman escape from krypton and trains forwards and backwards?
Getting down to the semantics, I like that! I'd say both sides of Matterhorn are their each credit. Superman Escape from Krypton, each side its own credit, but no to forwards/backwards.
no, what I mean is that from 1959-2011 it had trains ware 1 person had 2 sit on another person and they changed it in 2012 to have single rider trains, is 59 matterhorn and 12 matterhorn different rides?
wait, if a b&m sit down coaster got converted in 2 a floorless, would it be a new credit? we say floorless conversions are new coasters- wait, is do-dompa and do-do-dompa new coasters, is pipe scream a coaster-is intamin 1st gen drop towers coasters it rolls and it coast's but it's a drop tower wait what about backyard coasters like blue flash er- AHHH MY HEAD HURTS
Idk if the infinite model counts in my book... it is more of a thrill ride in my opinion
All the skywarp models function more like a thrill ride so I see your point.
@@XscreamThrills Wow thanks for replying!!!