Richard Lewis on Overwatch League
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2017
- Read the transcript here: blitzesports.com/csgo/video/2...
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0:00 - Famously you worked for CGS, so you've seen big leagues come and go. What do you think about Overwatch?
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This aged like fine wine
and a year later its even better aged
The finest wine
How's your Overwatch League TODAY?
GOAT SHIT
So profitable teams get 6mil to fuck off.💸💸💸
aged like wine
The OG arrives to drive the final nail into the coffin!
Struth
One of the most significant interviews to the OWL and esports as a whole. History proved every single word uttered here right. The bearded Kassandra of esports.
You'd be hard pressed to find an 8 minute clip OFF THE DOME that has aged as well as this clip 🔥
God this aged well 🤣
Thanks for the timestamps
haahha
LOL
fkn lol
i like a guy who is arrogant but also well informed. Very nice interview and impressed by Lewis for not being a blockhead.
Blizzard literally hoodwinked hundreds of millions from esports investors to just turn around and pocket it. Madness.
It's an actual miracle that the Overatch League still exists.
2021, still exists for now xd
activision getting a lawsuit
overwatch league: im going. I'm still going. When will this end. HEY blizzard when will we end. I'm still waiting. I guess its life now
well
This video aged well.
Anyone with a functioning brain who didn't fap to dva porn could see how the owl was gonna go lol
I tried to tell people Blizzard was tricking investors with OWL, there is no way the viewership could justify a 20 million buy in. Those hundreds of millions are never being seen again. Fanboys are in absolute denial to this day about the state of the game, casually and as an Esport.
where those fanboys now? they sure aint watching either
Richard Lewis is my spirit animal.
Also, here before Mittens.
so you mean to tell us that you're a choker then? :D
Rizz CS Damn. I'm still relevant? Lmao
Sure thing mr Bialas kappa.
2018
HotS is dead
Richie fuckin Lewis was right again
Gotta kepp coming back to this banger! xD
wow the audio quality on this vid is AMAZING
I've been playing Blizzard games since the original Warcraft and I have observed that Blizzard is amazing at making games, but terrible at balancing them. They are so focused on maintaining control over everything that they slowly suck the fun out of their games over time, Overwatch just being the most recent example.
Morpheis I honestly think Blizzard is one of the best companies that cares to balance, it is just really dificult to do and please everyone
Wakko Warner Give me one example were Blizzard did a good Balance-Change. Also it doesnt matter if it is hard, you payed for this Game. If they cant archive this they did a bad job.
@Arc-Kumula Give me one RTS better balanced that Starcraft and that is fun to play? Yeah they make weird decisions, but most games that compete with Starcraft don't even come close.
Age of Empires
Morpheis You could get a CS degree and go work for them to see how easy it is to balance.
As an Overwatch fan, also of Overwatch eSports fan, I can only agree with that guy. Even though I really enjoying watching pro play, I dont mind all the things going on, because I know the game. But I acn see that it is too chaotic for some spectators. I also agree that too many changes are done to the game. But on the other hand, you cannot deny that Blizzard really makes a big effort in polishing their game and nurture their community
Question is, would you watch it if you didn't play the game?
Ilannguaq Jonathansen problem with esport overwatch is that there is no carry at all, it’s still team based zzz people want to see HEROES pop out and carry their team with insane plays
im a fan and esports fan of ow so i agree with you
smoking that OWL pack
Muah* Perfection in Video Format.
i find this guy much easier to listen to than Thorin.
Bilbo Thorin never sucked blizzard's dick. Thorin is very critical of OWL. He just doesn't talk about it like he knows what's going to happen like Richard does.
the good thing for you is that they are different people who do different things. I dont say, Man i like this coke better than pepsi everytime I have a coke.
Hugo Costa "calling Poland a shit country and never going There Cause he's too scared" might be the most retarded thing i've ever read. Apart from the fact that it's the worst fucking point when it comes to Why thorin is a bad analyst i've ever seen: 1. If he thinks it's a shit country, Why visit it. 2. If something about a country makes u scared to visit it, then it's something wrong with the country. How many extra chromosomes Do u have?
Fuck both of these guys Richard just seems more reasonable
Love the interview
Aged so well
How about TODAY??
how's your league TODAY dickheads??
Aged like the finest wine
I didnt know this guy before but those were some really wise words from someone who seems to have a better insight than any of us.
IDemo IDimi He's been in the esports scene for years (mainly counter strike)
Everything he said has actually been known by anyone who's played around the time Starcraft 2 dropped in popularity.
After Starcraft 2 failed as an esport, everyone could see that Blizzard was a mess. Lewis isn't wise or a messiah. Everything he's said is common knowledge.
HOWEVER, what Lewis said is very negative and there is a reason why Blizzard is stepping in on Overwatch early on. Hearthstone, Starcraft 1/BW were massive successes because of their appeal to a casual audience and their decision to make the game fun as Lewis mentioned. SC2 was designed as an esport and was difficult on purpose which made the game fail miserably.
Overwatch, however, was designed with the same viewpoint as Hearthstone and SC1/BW. And it succeeded. Massively. 300k-700k viewers for Atlantic Showdown and gamescom and earlier tournaments.
However, Blizzard was burned in the past. By letting SC1/BW and Hearthstone grow organically, third party tournament organizers took a hold of the scene and prevented Blizzard from entering it themselves. Example, Starcraft Brood War. KesPa, a Korean organization, basically owned all the tournaments in the SC:BW scene. Blizzard couldn't do anything because KesPa had such a monopoly over all tournaments in terms of experience, infrastructure, and fanbase.
As a result, when Blizzard created SC2, they made the conscious decision to stop supporting SC:BW which killed the esport scene for the game and instead Blizzard promoted the living hell out of SC2. However, due to the terrible design choices I mentioned earlier, SC2 ended up failing. However, what we saw was Blizzard attempting to grab reins of the tournament scene before third party organizers could before them.
Overwatch is essentially the same idea. It's a casual, fun game. These games made by Blizzard inevitably turn into esports. The earliest Overwatch tournaments just prove this. 300-700k viewers, 6 figure prize pools in the first few months of the game's life? Crazy stuff. However, because of their previous experiences, Blizzard basically decided to create the Overwatch League very early in the game's life to prevent third party organizers from taking control of the scene with a league or tournament of their own.
And honestly, while restricting third party organizers was a fine idea, they did it too harshly in my opinion. There were no tournaments for extended periods of time and any tournaments that occurred were small scale with very little advertising. This led to Overwatch dropping in viewers until the recent Overwatch Contenders Season which had only 50k viewers.
So was Blizzard's decision to make the League wise? Honestly. Yes. While Lewis is negative, I think all the pieces are in place. It's a game that casuals love. It's a game with diversity. It's a game that has a story and isn't just about clicking heads. And despite what Lewis says, there is carry potential in the game. Just look up Taimou highlight reels.
Overwatch has all the pieces in place to succeed. Even despite Blizzard strangling the scene at the start, I still think Overwatch can succeed and will kick off. It's just too good of a game. There is only one problem. Spectating. Right now, spectating is a mess and the observer system is primitive. However, if Blizzard improve the spectating experience, I honestly believe Overwatch League can succeed.
Never said something like this? But watching this 8:09 has shown me enough why he is a journalist(or whatever you might call it) and you are probably not. He just gave a perfect explanation for anybody who is not much into Blizzard or Esport.
I mean, I'm not a journalist because being a journalist frankly sucks nowadays and I'm still a uni student so I can't even be a journalist yet if I wanted to.
But his points have been rehashed by countless other analysts in the past whether financial advisors, random UA-camrs, market analysts, etc that it's been beaten to death.
+Kwanro I don't think it's as dramatic as you make it sound. OWL can still become a thing it just won't be as big as LoL/Dota. SC2/HoTS/Hearthstone still have esport scenes with big money in them, they just aren't as popular. SC2, HoTS, and even SC:BW matches can be viewed on TV if you live in Korea
People make it sound like any esport that isn't one of the "big three" is a failure.
You can hate him as much as u want but u cant say he did not call it
I hope the spectator and competitive changes they're introducing at Blizzcon this weekend will be a step in the right direction. As it stands it's obviously a very risky esports push, albeit with some really compelling ideas. As the teams and their rosters are being revealed, I'm starting to see excitement build within the OW community, which is at least a positive sign.
I have no doubt that they'll be able to attract Overwatch players to view the events, especially if they take advantage of Twitch integration and also use tournaments as a platform for community outreach (I'm talking debuting new animated shorts, making announcements, etc.) but converting a casual audience to an esports viewing audience, and attracting new viewers, will be harder.
For as much as I want the League to succeed, I can't help but think that all that money would have been better invested in transmedia storytelling to help build the brand. A Netflix animated series, comics and novels, merchandise. The IP has massive mainstream appeal and a passionate fanbase, but for many of its fans the passion is centered on the world and characters far more than the gameplay.
Update: It didn't.
Great commentary, Richard.
Every word is golden :0
Idk the idea of owl seems really cool however im kinda confused on why they made most of the teams located in america which kinda takes away from owl idea. However the teams that have been created in owl are insane and im hyped to see how they play out.
LETS GO BOSTON!!!!!!!
All your points make a lot of sense. Good video!
범죄 Sinny tf2 it sucks i agree pros realized it
I don't think so, he says complexity won't work and tho7gh I kinda agree it's not always true. Football outside of America is an overly complicated game yet huge in America. Honestly OW itself is built like a sport game. To me this seems like a competitor trying to dismantle the deathball that's coming after him
@@TheBieberbe1iber lmao
Brilliant
literal prophet
Im so excited and scared for it. I really think it wont work but I love the game.
He was right you need to make the game good first than it will ready for esport
wow he nailed it
Man, you could've saved a lot of people a lot of money.
I think the problem is between being a game and being a sport. As a game dev the first always take prescedence.
my hero
I love Overwatch but this guy made some really good points like you cant force an Esport and a 20 mil buy-in for a a game that doesnt have that huge of a tournament following. They should have just had something similar to hearthstones tournament layout
2 years so far so good
@@Fenixmaian7 heh
Opening day beat out the CSGO Boston major btw
bruh, the showmatch had higher viewer numbers than overwatch league matches had LOL
1.6 million views... Are you high?
What about now dickhead?
Reading some of the comments here is just fantastic, this is an explanation about how Blizzard handles their games when it comes to eSports. Not the overall development of their games, stop judging their ability to make a great game based on what their reputation is in eSports lol. Just think how much success they had with WoW, Diablo, Heartstone, Starcraft and even Overwatch. Easily in the top 10 most played and successful multi-player based games of all time. Most of the kids watching this don't even know how legendary these games are because it was before their time
Ye hilarious
Oh so the fact that Diablo 3 sold 30 million copies is completely irrelevant right
"I talk to the players saying the balancing is out of wack, it stopped being fun and Blizzard got really controlling."
Yes, THANK YOU for listening!
"I don't want massive venture capital firms getting burned for 20 mill."
See, this is why I say fuck eSports.
I just realized RL's head is asymetrical.
Whose head isn't? Look in mirror.
Having just recently seen the world cup, I know I would watch the OWL as an overwatch player. I'm gold/plat range, which I think would qualify as an "average" player. I just find most of the complaints leveled against OW to be in the category of "yeah I can see your point, but you've blown it so far out of proportion I can't take you seriously anymore."
If you aren't interested in OW or the OWL, that's perfectly fine. I don't care about LoL or Dota in the slightest but they can still be great eSport. I enjoyed and will continue to enjoy the direction Blizzard is going with OW both as a player and spectator, dare I say slightly excited for it. Surprised to see that's the minority opinion (at least here).
It's almost like other people used common sense and knew OWL wouldn't work
I don't exactly know what happened between Richard and Blizzard, and why they hate(?) him, but his points are sound. As an Overwatch fan - and someone who also follows the pro scene - it's clear to me he knows what he's talking about. Everything he brought up - well, we've all been complaining about the same stuff. It's especially true what he said about the actual game having issues itself, not just the esports part. They're focusing so hard on esports when they have so many other things they should be worrying about, like hero balance, SR system, Mercy, etc. And yeah, we all couldn't believe the amount of money they pumped into the Overwatch League. Not a great thing when viewership isn't that high. Also, Overwatch's popularity has been dropping in Korea, which is a bad sign. I don't know. Good luck to them I guess. I don't want it to fail, but I think they're being a little arrogant here.
As for what Richard said about Overwatch being hard to follow for the casual viewer, that's definitely a problem. But I've always wondered about LoL's and DOTA's massive popularity with the casual viewer. I don't know anything about LoL and DOTA and when I watch a game, I don't understand a single damn thing. Would it not be similar to someone watching Overwatch, or am I alone in not understanding LoL, DOTA, or just MOBAs in general? I mean, compare a MOBA to CS:GO or something. It's easy to follow CS:GO, but a MOBA? People have no issues following that?
Why was there a OMG 1 MILLION OMG for dota 2?
Don't think he mentioned what wasn't already obvious, either way this league goes i'm sticking around because it's exciting to see how it turns out.
Overwatch has a decent sized playerbase interested in competitive overwatch, but in my eyes does not have the capacity of competitive players to support a true E-Sport title, this behaviour Blizzard is taking is not healthy for the long run of Overwatch. IF the league fails a lot of good players that regular non professional players look up to will leave the game and the overall progression of player skill and competitiveness will decay inevitably, what happens then? Well a pre-existing healthy competitive scene gets dried out incredibly fast and the life span and longevity of a good fun title goes down hill in a neverending recession. Leading to not just Overwatch League failing but pre-established tournaments EG Contenders, APEX etc going out the window completely.
But right now, hell money is fuelling competition and whether these capitalist companies make money or not it's going to be fun. Why should I give a fuck these guys aint on my investment portfolio.
BANKS
Vsauce?
One of the wisest things I have ever watched on sadly what will probably happen. You don't think he's right then ask yourself thsi how come when Jeff Kaplan sat in front of a fireplace doing nothing he had more viewership on twitch 39k than the contenders ever did? Sadly in the end there will just not be the viewership...most ppl are not even aware of the league ...they sat wtching Jeff because they only wanted to know what the new hero was going to be.
Contenders finals had 40K views. I was there lol, and it wasn't a really big league. Plus I'm pretty sure before OWL no one really cared about the Overwatch pro scene except for APEX (Which had a shit ton of LAN and Twitch viewers).
No milk here. Not an ounce
I️ wonder if the recent Overwatch World Cup changed his mind.
I wonder if these last 2 world cups and finals changed his mind
IWonder if the last 3 years of OWL and world cups have changed his mind
Blizzard make games to sell millions upon millions. Esports is based on hardcore niche games. You can make something but the "fans" will not be hardcore fans and they will jump into the next cool bandwagon. Counter strike and dota fans are not fans because the game is easy and rewarding for everybody. It's a sport and every sport is hardcore.
I don't know why this is in my recommendations but.. he was right
The ultimate cash grab to top all cash grabs.
TF2 :(
We should get him too talk about Tf2 and how it could have been an awesome Esport just valve never wanted it to be so the play base is moving on (competitive scene)
+1
Hi ! VSauce here
you mean "Hey Vsauce, Micheal here"
While I largely agree with a lot of the warning signs Richard points out, I'd like to hear him elaborate on some things. Certain statements seemed really anecdotal, namely balance and player burnout. No one outside of Blizzard has numerical evidence to prove either of those things are really problems but I am absolutely willing to accept (based on evidence) that they are, and people anecdotally claiming there are sweeping balance issues happens in every MMO I play. And it's rarely the case that were are sweeping balance issues in these games. 5 million uninformed opinions don't mean jack shit.
did you play overwatch at all? i did, since launch until release of sigma or whatever the hell his name was. the balance was all over the place and it was being shaken up every major update. just look at brigitte on release. me and all my friends (8+ stack of people) just burned out on the game because the content releases were super rare and every game felt the same, you always kept stalemating the same payload chokepoints and it got old
clean your glasses Richard :)
Hes absolutely right. Can't force a casual game with awful spectating to become a pro game.
Its casual as fuck compared to other esports titles like CS:GO and Dota 2.
Blizzard is still richest company by far with multiple top mainstream games so they can do whatever they want. Still 20 times bigger income than Riot or others.
How much is Blizzard worth?
James Devon 49.53 billion dollars riot games 3.50 billion dollars
Riot Games is owned by Tencent that is the top five largest technology/communication compny in the world.
No point mentioning total assets we can do the same for Riot Games. Blizzard is poor compny compared to Riot Games let alone Tencent parent company.
I feel like he's at least wrong about one thing. I don't think Overwatch is too complicated for viewership nor do I think people would rather watch a basic gun/bullet shooter. I've never regularly watched esports before it and have no problem following along. I watched professional CS:GO once or twice late at night because I had nothing better to do and honestly it was just boring as fuck. Like obviously it took skill to aim as well as they did and know where to move or whatever but it wasn't interesting at all even when the crowd was going wild because some dude 1v3'd to win a round it did not look like a big deal to me. Overwatch is the only game I've watched the pros play and been impressed with skilled moves. He talks like there are no superstars in OW that can just run through an enemy team when there very clearly are those kinds of players. The differences in strategy that you see with different comps and different maps makes it so much more interesting. I've never see LoL pro games because I don't play MOBAs but I'm assuming that's part of the reason people watch those tournaments as well. I don't see any reason why class based shooters are at a disadvantage just because there takes greater thought to understand what is happening. I don't know the economic side of it, he's probably right about the over investing tbh. But I still think it will draw new people into the viewership.
It's because at the most basic level, CSGO, CoD, BF1 ect all are really self explanatory. You watch a guy, with a gun, he shoots people, the match objectives are very clear the screen tells you all the information and one player can change a game.
OW is super colorful so as a player it's great and easy to figure out what's going on. It's a fun game to play, but the skill ceiling is obscenely low, that already makes it a bit boring, obviously watching DSPstanky and Seagull is always entertaining, but thats a couple players out of how many? Do you really want to watch high level Dva play? Does anyone who doesnt know the ins and outs of the game at a high level really understand the small decisions being made by a good reinhardt?
Now obviously good players are better than bad ones, but when you compare the skill of OW pros, it's not so far off as say, someone whos fucking outstanding at CSGO vs some guys in Nova4 (basically the ecquivalent of low plat in OW).
Skill sets aren't transferable across Overwatch and CSGO but that doesn't necessarily mean less skill to me. What exactly are you counting as skill? Just aim? if so then yes, there are a number of usable Overwatch characters that require very little aim but if you consider how team reliant it is it also takes a greater level of communication and planning, even when just considering which characters to use on which maps.
You're trying to judge CS:GO after seeing it "once or twice". Of course you're going to fail to see how strategic it is. It isn't that hard to understand, but the four main grenade types add a huge strategic element to the game. Communication is also extremely important, probably moreso than any other shooter because of how absurdly dangerous it is to be out of position.
FortWhenTeaTime That doesn't make it even slightly more interesting to watch though
"I watched professional CS:GO once or twice (...) and honestly it was just boring as fuck."
This.
I wonder why he didn't mention the atrocious RIGGED matchmaking system in Overwatch.
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I don't want to falsely inflate my ego by thinking I'm 'better than the average viewer,' but OW is actually easy to follow after watching it a bit. Now, the fact that it takes a few games to get used to it is a problem, but I think Richard here is kind of insulting 'casual' viewers. I do think it's valid to see it like that when considering those who don't play the game, but the bottom line is this: people can get used to watching it, and at the highest level it is quite enjoyable.
Just my opinion, though. The rest of his talk on forcing and huge investments is a concern many people share.
I genuinely love overwatch and pro overwatch but i really think Blizz bit off way more than they can chew with OWL and reverse engineer an esport.
At least Overwatch balance is generally better than LoL's balance. But OW has done some seemingly strange things lately.
Yeah, no, LoL has decent balance if you consider it has 138 champions to play, Overwatch, either you use the same 4-5 heroes plus Mercy or you lose, simple as that, i've never seen more incompetent devs in my entire life.
Andrea M
The number amount makes no difference. LoL has hundreds of items yet 1/5 of all the players are forced to use Censer or their team fails. Every season theres something disgustingly OP, I dont feel the same with overwatch.
That's because it has remained the same stale mess since season 3, and the devs don't lift a single finger to change that, of course everything seems balanced when 90% of the cast is in F tier
Ardent Censor did not exist until season 6. This is patch 7.18 Lol has 3 meta per year. OW only has one since launch.
Having 3 metas per year is absolutely nothing to be proud of, quite the opposite in fact. If you have a well balanced game you don't need to constantly make enormous changes to it. It just shows how much they struggle in balancing their game.
roast session
i finally know why people defend genji broken statement right now, pure casual players.
wanabee weeb player xd
TF2 actually had a huge competitive scene for years and it did healthy but it took a lil over five years before it became really popular.
Shadow426 It never became "huge" with the majority of the player base, but the dedicated people who genuinely enjoy the game created a grassroots community. You can't force that kind of thing. I think the Overwatch pros don't even enjoy the game and are just in it for the money.
I sure as fuck don't enjoy it. I did come from the TF2 crowd and I wanted to get into Overwatch but I could barely put 200 hours into after over a year.
Shadow426 it's not that doesn't exist, it's that it's not a Starcraft/CS/LoL/Quake level phenomenon
TF2 never had a "huge" scene.
It didn't have a huge scene, but the competitive scene that it did have was really well put together, the community made it's own websites and services to serve the competitive community without any help from Valve.
Overwatch league has started and the game STILL doesn't have the ability to view demos rofl
They killed broodwar because they didn't get any money. THats right they killed their own fucking game.
Why doesn't Blizz just try to get paid for their game being featured in the streams? That way they don't have to try and create their own thing which becomes a game in and of itself. Blizz needs to stick to gaming.
I agree with everything he said, in fact I've said the same thing since OWL was announced, *Overwatch is not a competitive game*
i don't get why every single esport has to be compared to league ? look at real sports there's small and big sports.
Because it's being dumped with a comparable amount of money.
Make overwatch free to play and ill show u how much viewers ow will get
Overwatch has been a fad since the very start. I'm just sad I wasted 300 hours on the game before realizing that its best days are already past us. High skill heroes mixed with low skill heroes, terrible balance, atrocious spectator esport (for which the production is also responsible because they use the camera angles all wrong and the casters are often incompetent), massive meta changes every 2 weeks kill any stability, one tricks everywhere, inconsistent mmr, no scoreboard or minimap, outdated engine and hit registration...everything about the game is just...bad. All it's been from the start is marketing gimmick after marketing gimmick like "hurr durr tracer is gay", but they never took the time to listen to the community or the experts in the esports field, to make something that will last.
2 years so far so good
i just want to play mei and she's sucked for a year, blizzard are fucking clueless, cant balance shit
Well, the point that he is making with visual understanding of OW games is partially true. In MOBAs you have even more visual effects in team fights, and yet spectators can somehow figure out stuff.
Pavlo Hatilov
Its a top down view and chracters can only move in two axis not three. Games in which characters can move in three axis have slower movement and less special effects, like cs go. OW is a clusterfuck.
Guys just cause he makes sense and points out key facts doesn't mean it'll come true... Yeah OW is hard to follow while spearing but that's why they improved selecting... As far following what stuns and what doesn't... Well I feel people should get more into the game and know what's up
Interesting points. My two cents:
I think the hero design decisions aren't as bad he makes it sounds, especially now that some characters are getting re-works that increase their skill ceiling (Mercy, D.va and Roadhog come to mind). As far as I know, top players still get an opportunity to shine. An important caveat is that 'skill' in OW does not only translate to how many kills you get. Perceived 'low-skill' heroes don't get that much use on the higher levels anyway, unless their players actually use them with skill.
The overall viewing experience is Overwatch's trickiest problem to solve. Once they figure that out, I don't think viewers will have a hard time figuring out what's going on. If your average MOBA viewer knows enough of what's happening on the screen to know what's going on, my guess is they won't suffer from information overload watching OW. That is as long as Blizzard nails the spectator experience.
As for the cost of buying-in to the league, is high and concerning.
I really hope OWL can survive
Me too
Once every team fields 6 koreans to be able to stay competitive the league will slowly die in the west.
It's doing far better than 'surviving', rather it's thriving!
its dying.
Lol have you seen the numbers recently? Not looking really hot
4:23
I think you could definitely argue that LoL's esports scene was very forced. Riot was a small company at the time, but as a player I remember being bombarded constantly with links to go watch the tournaments, and honestly its probably the only reason me or my friends ever thought to start watching. I think it would have been nothing if Riot hadn't done that.
I do agree with his overall point though. I'm pretty skeptical about Overwatch as an esport.
The difference being that dota was already an extremely popular MOBA game with a strong competitive scene. When league came most of dota's player went to it, thus making a competitive scene wasn't all that difficult
real talk
Esports took off before, before 2012 etc. and they did indeed work with esports and have feuds with OGN over esports righr and broadcasting, collaborating with GOm etc. The flood of tournaments and money was much bigger in 2011
0:51 Well not everyone, only some people, that wasn't the reason. The system and especially region locking didn't 'fail', that was not the issue.
It was overtaken by other systems, the issue was deifnitely not what he suggests. If anything, people were precisel bored with pre-region lock
'proper moba', it is 'proper', there were definitely players to follow
Those were some hot opinions
He makes a lot of good points but I think he's coming at them a bit too strongly. Still, perhaps that's what they need rather than just praise all the time.
He did nothing but speak the truth. You're just soft if you think he was being too harsh.
Xd
Who invest that amount of money in a game with 20k viewers most times...
Yikes
Blizzard, clowns
Awkward.
What is awkward about it?
Lol no Overwatch player says "The patches are coming too fast." (4:50 mark) Does this guy actually know what he's talking about?
I think he´s referring to how Blizz changes the way certain heroes play seemingly on a whim.
CSGO gets 2 patches a year and the meta still manages to shift more than Overwatch without those lmao
Blame the lack of actual depth
you cant compare cs:go and overwatch, the whole cs:go series have been out for over a decade
While I'm very skeptical about OWL, people already claiming that it already crashed and burned while it hasn't even started yet is BS! The guy in the video has interesting points but his perspective is downright too negative and subjective to be honest.
The patch updates aren't that quick that players don't get accustomed to them, he's exaggerating!
It's not an issue about Multiclass shooters being bad for E-sports but the amount of visual noise Overwatch has that affects it tournament viewership, which can be improved, it's not impossible. TF2 had a pro-scene, it's just that the updates were far too long in between and Valve didn't bother with it much.
He keeps saying that the different guns and abilities will confuse the casual audience, but let's be real here, a casual audience can get confused watching MOBA tournaments as well if they don't know what's going on and MOBAS are much more complicated than Overwatch, yet they are successful. It's not about simplicity of game mechanics! E-sports scenes like CSGO, LOL, and DOTA thrived because they had a following and a considerable amount of hardcore fanbase and they are much more hardcore games compared to Overwatch.
Overwatch has very serious balance issues right now, but let's not pretend that LOL didn't have the same problems at the beginning, and LOL is one of the biggest, if not the biggest E-sports right now.
The amount of money being poured into OWL is scary and financially risky but if nothing else, this amount of money will surely make them think carefully about their actions. Not to mention, Blizzard is not new to the E-sports scene. Yeah, they had accidental hits in SC1 and Hearthstone, and yeah, they mishandled SC2, but come on! Blizzard is a company who had more games in E-sports than any other game company, do the people not think that that counts for anything here experience-wise? Nobody has ever successfully forced an E-sports scene before, but if there's any company that could do it, Blizzard is the most credible to take that challenge.
Seriously, OWL hasn't even started yet, at least give it a chance ffs. I'm skeptical, but I'm not a hater.
Two years down the road. This video still remains as relevant as ever.
Nanzer is gone. Blizzard lost their global eSports director in Kim Phan. And we’re staring down the uncertain gun barrel of geolocation with Season 3.
All the while China’s been growing their LPL scene beyond believe and already doing geolocation very successfully.
Ya it does not seem like blizzard knows what they r doing with their esports.....
Overwatch is way way out of shape right now they spend more time on owl then they seem to do with the game
Interesting to have this guys insight. But also...this is a CS:GO channel, talking about it's biggest competitor.....hahah. Be weary about content from CS:GO channels on Overwatch.
Not it's biggest competitor. I think you'd find it hard to find a CSGO player that is actively playing OW - most are PUBG and DoTA (or just cs lol) - good point though :)
Overwatch is definitely CS:GOs biggest competitor, at least for esports. Yeah you're not going to find many people who play both, I know plenty of OW players who used to play cs though.
JasparJam I know more people who still play CSGO and quit OW. CSGO and OW are completely different and don't compete at all, especially considering how little views OW gets. Premier csgo tournaments get 200k views regularly even if they aren't majors whereas OW tournaments don't have numbers and have gotten less views over time (compare Apex s1 and s2). Also, it doesn't matter to RL that he's deep into csgo. He's deep into LoL, doesn't mean he doesn't objectively look at DotA. The reality is blizzards best esport is the one where they did the least interaction which is brood war.
Csgo and eleague are 10000% blizzards biggest competition in esports. But tbh eleague looks like a joke out there compared to blizzards production quality. The only reason they wouldn't be competition is because they can't even come close to competing with blizzard.
The same company (Blitz) has an Overwatch channel, genius.
I hope Overwatch fail, just so they can assume how bad their balance is and stop being delusiional and not giving a fuck about the playerbase.
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OW is a fun game, but unless you play it there's zero excitement. Viewers aren't stoked on whether a Genji can press Q or that a Mercy can press E.
The whole game is built around playing as a team, so there aren't those clutch moments where you 1v6 a team and manage to capture the point at least not on the tournament level.
In games like counter strike or rocket league all players are equal in terms of what their in game character can achieve therefore there's a chance to win a 1v5 or a 1v3. So it's very important to have that individual skill, in OW it's less pronounced because every hero has different capabilities.
The only potential the game has is streaming, watching a single player isn't as confusing as watching the game from all perspectives. And it definitely helps improving yourself, because you look at it, memorize it and you start doing the same in your games. While watching a teamfight will make you cry on how you will never be able to do that while solo queuing.
That's like saying "Basketball is better than Football/Soccer/Hockey/Baseball because one player can dominate the game."
Dude people watch stuff like football for people like Messi, People watch Hockey for people like Gretzky, there needs to be that top dog that everyone wants to take down for casual fans to enjoy the game. That's how it works.
@Alex That is fucking stupid, why have team games at all then.
@Balázs Eszes So let me get this clear... you want a team shooter game that isn't actually a team game? * facepalm *
When I look back on the glory days of Overwatch during Season 1, 2, and into Season 3. The game felt fast paced, it felt like there was a skill gap and it was fun. Fast forward to Season 6, after a plethora of ill advised hero changes and matchmaking rating changes, the game has been trending downwards for sometime. And when I look back at the glory days it becomes clear that Overwatch was a great title by ACCIDENT. The more Blizzard puts their hands on the game the worse it gets. They just stumbled into a competitive title. They never set out to make it competitive. Look at how there is no extended scoreboard in the game, look how hard it is to carry, look how effective low skill hero's are. Blizzard wanted to make this game fun and happy and we all holds and use team work to win :D
cringe...
They don't want superstar players. They have cultivated a community in this game that rejects ego's, rejects the idea of carrying teammates, rejects the idea that statistics imply a player is superior. example: "medals don't mean anything"
Borium funny to read you mentioning the “golden days” when those seasons barely spanned just 9 months ago lol.
They intentionally made it a competitive game the only made no extended scoreboard because they were afraid of people using stats to illogically support their own hypothesis about what works and whats good even though every character can't be judged by how many kills they get. I think the reason it is hard to carry is because of the division of labor they have forced onto the game by making many different roles, and then trying to make every character in those roles viable. Every player on a team (unless they are an incredibly superior dps) is just a single station of a factory belt. Not just one employee can build a car on their own...
That's not true for a player trying to climb rankings alone, though. It's far easier to carry games and climb playing as DPS than playing as tank or healer. The roles are all vital to an effective team comp, but on a player level damage is clearly the carrying element and unlike DotA 2 and LoL, the DPS components of your team don't need to get farmed to deal damage.
"golden days" didn't this game get released last yr lmao
Only they did intend for this to be competitive.If I recall, they signed Montecristo to be a caster back when the game wasn't officially released. Whether this is being pushed by Activision or not, they are after all, the one's who funded development for Overwatch, one thing is for sure, Overwatch competitive is a fucking joke.
230k views on the Overwatch World Cup semifinal and finale. I have no idea where he got 20k from even Contenders had 40k views and that’s Overwatch’s minor league