MTG Abandons Pioneer Format + MTG Is Getting Crushed in Japan

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  • Опубліковано 13 гру 2024

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  • @TheMagicHistorian
    @TheMagicHistorian  Місяць тому +9

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  • @xcosmiccrunchx
    @xcosmiccrunchx Місяць тому +60

    They let Commander run away and now there's little incentive to buy booster boxes.

    • @Kal8Eth
      @Kal8Eth Місяць тому +6

      Tell me about it, i collect magic and i'm not gonna buy one for Husqvarna or however this last set is called. I'd rather buy packs here and there and even still i think i'm gonna pivot to collecting old sets and Flesh and Blood

    • @bojcio
      @bojcio Місяць тому +3

      @@Kal8Eth Husqvarna hahaha good one.

    • @themikesuh
      @themikesuh Місяць тому +6

      Oh man, i used to buy 2-3 booster boxes per set until about strixhaven when i got fed up with all the shitty changes wotc was making. Now i do prerelease sealed and maybe a couple drafts per set.

    • @Kal8Eth
      @Kal8Eth Місяць тому +1

      @@themikesuh yeah that's kinda what i do now, prerelease, bundles and draft with my friends, since it does bring the value of the box down and we get to trade cards after the draft to complete our collections

  • @fastbreakreport
    @fastbreakreport Місяць тому +9

    I stopped playing MTG once MH2 came out, Modern basically became Legacy and I don't enjoy losing games by turn 2 or 3....it's not fun anymore when the game ends before you can get your 4th land down.

  • @multiekstravardistan4480
    @multiekstravardistan4480 Місяць тому +62

    paradoxically its good magic is failing on so things, cant wait for time when hasbro sells mtg to someone who might want to do something good with it

    • @mwo79
      @mwo79 Місяць тому +12

      MTG isn't ever going to be sold. It's the biggest profit in Hasbro.

    • @Mirthful_Midori
      @Mirthful_Midori Місяць тому +11

      Hasbro can't sell Magic, it's their only profitable line. MtG will be with them until they go Tango Uniform and some other company picks up the IP.

    • @Mr-hm1wr
      @Mr-hm1wr Місяць тому +6

      ​@@Mirthful_Midorionly so many times you can sell Jenga 😂

    • @00110000
      @00110000 Місяць тому +3

      Nope. When profits fall, they're just going to squeeze harder for short term gains. That means less testing and more power creep.

    • @multiekstravardistan4480
      @multiekstravardistan4480 Місяць тому +5

      @@Mirthful_Midori thats what i meant, all thats left for magic is wait till hasbro makes game unplayable to the point they dont make profit anymore, and for someone to buy it, mtg will not survive under hasbro

  • @SSolemn
    @SSolemn Місяць тому +24

    One thing I don't see considered when thinking about why MTG is failing now, is the complexity level of the game. Back when we had just a few mechanics & lots of vanilla creatures the game was easy to learn for most of the consummer base, but now you really need a lot of time&energy (besides the money) to learn to play, and to keep with the mechanics that comes now every 2 months..... It's just a game, but now it requires almost as much commitment as a marriage, so not what you want in a normal "game". MTG is now a very expensive and frustrating hobby. They need to curve the power creep and new mechanics, focuse on standard but print less set so we get out of this rythm we are in now.

    • @TheMagicHistorian
      @TheMagicHistorian  Місяць тому +15

      Complexity Creep is very, very real with this game. I have mentioned it in numerous of my videos, I absolutely agree

    • @billable1861
      @billable1861 Місяць тому +2

      Wow and now all the players want to cheat on mtg and play games elsewhere because it’s become an expensive high strung ***** lol

    • @dmsvlcp
      @dmsvlcp Місяць тому +5

      I think one reason why MTG is failing, is the amount of new sets and fancy special editions (secret lair, beyond universes, collector/jumpstart/whatsoever product). For me it just does not make any sense to buy several new editions every year and basically to exchange my card pool on a (bi-)monthly basis. It's not worth it. And after the bans WOTC can no justify premium prices for collector boosters and stuff like that.

    • @billable1861
      @billable1861 Місяць тому +4

      @@dmsvlcp the part so many people overlook is that only having one version of a card also lent itself to cohesion since there was uniformity. I can’t tell what it is across the table anymore and having to flip the card or have somebody with social issues read it to me clearly takes time I don’t have.

    • @Saiku
      @Saiku Місяць тому +1

      It doesn't help that they keep adding new "mechanics" that are just old mechanics with a new name and one slightly different variable. Manifest Dread, for example, already existed in the form of Manifest.

  • @chrisfloto3599
    @chrisfloto3599 Місяць тому +13

    I traveled for work and ran into an lgs. I was shocked there was like 40-50 in there to play FAB. They don’t sell it where I live but it’s pretty cool seeing that it’s going strong in other places.

    • @ezekielellis7471
      @ezekielellis7471 Місяць тому +1

      Thats why I dont play it anymore honestly. The game was only in one area/store, died off (hard), and now its in more stores and the meta is far ahead from where I was and is probably all better from my deck lol

    • @MisterWebb
      @MisterWebb Місяць тому

      @@ezekielellis7471OK, Spike.

  • @WCD_Media
    @WCD_Media Місяць тому +2

    Yeah, I recently commented on another channel that I only had one pioneer deck, but I had forgotten that I had a second until I went through my deck library. So I actually have 2 pioneer legal decks that I had originally built for Standard but eventually rotated out, where as I have 3 Pauper decks, and 10 complete Commander decks, with 6 more under construction. The rest of my magic decks are for Modern Format. I just can't justify spending money on Standard when by the time I finally have the cards I need to run the deck efficiently, it's rotating out to pioneer. Which I understand that I could have still played it in pioneer, but now it's definitely not worth it.

  • @TheTacticalBat
    @TheTacticalBat Місяць тому +16

    Anytime I hear people are playing ANYTHING other than MTG I am compelled to do a jig. People need to stop supporting such a trash company and buying their low-quality/low-value cardboard.

  • @ironicstan
    @ironicstan Місяць тому +16

    I live in Osaka and there is a strong group of MTG players here. There are daily events at the stores that host Magic. There are also quite a few stores that only have Magic products, but the consumer traffic is much slower compared to the non-MTG shops.
    I only started playing Commander last year, but the play styles are different here. I've also noticed some groups of Japanese players trying out different formats that were started in Japan. So it's interesting to see.

    • @DirkVomEck
      @DirkVomEck Місяць тому +1

      Could you share some of these japan exclusive formats with us? i am curious!

    • @ironicstan
      @ironicstan Місяць тому +2

      @@DirkVomEck One group that I play with sometimes breaks off and plays…I think they call it “huge beasts”. I’m pretty sure it still follows the same rules for commander, but every creature in the deck must have a CMC of over 5. So I guess technically they are still playing the commander format, but they have their own in-house rules. Another shop hosted “Super Exciting Commander” event. They had this after the recent bans. They let players choose any 5 cards from the banned list and put them into their commander decks.

    • @DirkVomEck
      @DirkVomEck Місяць тому +1

      @@ironicstan Huge Beasts sounds like a lot of fun! And giving the players more freedom at an event sounds super exciting to me as well!

    • @antearesgamer
      @antearesgamer Місяць тому

      Force of Will also has pockets of 'strong groups'...all you did was admit its a Niche game now and its time in the sun has passed because they ruined the game trying to appeal to the Yugioh & Pokemon players.

    • @themoonlitduelist7395
      @themoonlitduelist7395 Місяць тому

      @@antearesgamer yugioh player here, they did not Impress me i had to proxy my commander deck

  • @samdunn5846
    @samdunn5846 Місяць тому +14

    It good to see ur no longer having an issue with the channel!

  • @joeferreti9442
    @joeferreti9442 Місяць тому +14

    WotC dropped the CD-player format? I'm not even sure what that means. I lost track of the many variants of Modern in and outside of MTGA.

  • @JStack
    @JStack Місяць тому +9

    I’ve been buying Japanese product for over 10 years just for the card quality. Since maybe 2021 it’s been intermittently bad, and end of last year through all of this year it’s almost as bad as US shipments.
    You can even see Reddit/social media posts about how Japanese cards are getting worse and the Japanese customers won’t accept that. They will move to a different card game with proper quality, of which they have a lot of options.
    Unless MTG fixes card quality, they’ll continue to crash there. So it’s gonna continue to crash

  • @nickd6303
    @nickd6303 Місяць тому +24

    So wotc has to downsize the number of formats. Universes beyond is making mtg a discount version of Weiss Shwarz.

    • @NeostormXLMAX
      @NeostormXLMAX Місяць тому +1

      If they want to reduce the formats they will need to start reprinting or rereleasing cards like yugioh does or the prices will sky rocket with so many more people looking for the same cards, on top of older sets being out of print,

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 Місяць тому +2

      And without the captive market that is obsessive anime fans. No one likes Fallout or Assassin's Creed as much as One Piece fans like One Piece.

  • @lanmarknetworking3034
    @lanmarknetworking3034 Місяць тому +7

    They should have shuttered Modern and used Foundations to launch a new Era of Block into Standard into Pioneer...

  • @TCR_DND
    @TCR_DND Місяць тому +3

    Honestly, Pioneer in Scotland is thriving-it's the best format right now. The only reason it's not more popular is because of Wizards rotating the RCQ season between Modern, Pioneer, and Standard. They really just need to cut Standard from the rotation; it's a dead format. At the very least, they should let stores go back to deciding what events to run, instead of leaving it to people who don’t know their own player base or what they want.
    I kid you not, I saw multiple stores in both the UK and the US refuse to run Standard when Wizards tried to push it for the Urza's Saga event. Some switched to Modern, some ran Sealed, and others chose Pioneer. I think my local store in Scotland was the only one that actually ran Standard, and we barely scraped together 8 players at the last minute after begging regulars.
    Wizards is out of touch with their constant gatekeeping of formats. It’s not their store-they don’t know what they’re doing. They should give the power back to the store owners.
    Don't even get me started on Lore......

    • @antearesgamer
      @antearesgamer Місяць тому +1

      and now its about to be dead just like anything fun...why?...because your niche format doesn't sell enough boxes

  • @ConfessionGang
    @ConfessionGang Місяць тому +4

    I am usually a wargamer but I'm glad when I do play tcg's, I made my main game Sorcery Contested Realm and not MTG

    • @TheMagicHistorian
      @TheMagicHistorian  Місяць тому +2

      Sorcery is gorgeous with good card quality. I have some Alpha sorcery.

  • @jairovsleon
    @jairovsleon Місяць тому +15

    Japan is like, the best place to play a tcg, how do you fail at that?

    • @TheTacticalBat
      @TheTacticalBat Місяць тому +11

      The Japanese TCG community has standards and won't accept trash card design/quality like MTG.

    • @marcoottina654
      @marcoottina654 Місяць тому +10

      ​@TheTacticalBat well, they accept current Yu-Gi-Oh....

    • @thek838
      @thek838 Місяць тому +2

      If you think it's failing by been in the top 10 when it has to compete with the mass amount of competition in Japan and the fact they are competing with Anime TCGs which is Japan's blood then you don't know what failing is. This is a grand success for MTG to even be in the top 10.

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 Місяць тому

      @@marcoottina654 Japanese Yugioh is completely separate from global Yugioh. Print quality is way higher, cards are much cheaper, and the banlist is far more responsive.

    • @Cybertech134
      @Cybertech134 Місяць тому +1

      @@yurisei6732 Any format where Maxx "C" is legal is a shit format.

  • @christopherb501
    @christopherb501 Місяць тому +2

    13:56 It's true. Konami of America hasn't got a clue what they're doing.

  • @TheSushiandme
    @TheSushiandme Місяць тому +4

    MTG is too expensive for Japan. most of the workers are not paid a lot... Japan is stingy with pay. My old job in America pays $25-$30+. Japan pays $15 per hr... WTF. That's in Kyoto for our sister company

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 Місяць тому

      American wages are much higher than most of the developed world. MTG is doing fine in the UK, which has similar salaries to Japan while most people actually have less disposable income than the Japanese do. Japan is less interested in MTG because they simply have higher standards.

    • @Cybertech134
      @Cybertech134 Місяць тому

      @@yurisei6732 If you take a look at what all the popular card games are in Japan, it's all anime nonsense.

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 Місяць тому

      @@Cybertech134 I hope life gets better for you soon.

    • @Cybertech134
      @Cybertech134 Місяць тому

      @@yurisei6732 Found the weeb degen.

  • @YabbaDabbaDoo2U2
    @YabbaDabbaDoo2U2 Місяць тому +22

    Anybody who takes "competitive magic" seriously, especially now, is not paying attention.
    It's a sword and sorcery game of poker, dealt by a superevilmegacorp that can change the aces at any point if it profits the table. There is nothing competitive about it.
    x100 for Arena.
    Play EDH with proxies, people.

    • @diegorezi5760
      @diegorezi5760 Місяць тому

      After the crypt ban i will play full proxy

    • @mortenbrandtjensen6470
      @mortenbrandtjensen6470 Місяць тому

      Sounds like a good plan

    • @FR0STBL0D
      @FR0STBL0D Місяць тому

      Better play 60 card kitchen table Magic, Pauper or Two-Headed Giant!

    • @architectofdreams73
      @architectofdreams73 Місяць тому

      A. It's Commander, not EDH.
      B. Proxies are part of the problem.

    • @themoonlitduelist7395
      @themoonlitduelist7395 Місяць тому

      i had to porxy my EDH deck, no art work or "archetype" of gingerbread Def a MEGA L

  • @Izlr88
    @Izlr88 Місяць тому +17

    Magic is on borrowed time. A large portion of the old players have abandoned WotC and play independent formats like Old-school and Premodern. When the product dies within the next decade, formats like this are what will keep the game around.

    • @mizzogames
      @mizzogames Місяць тому +5

      I'm playing Flesh and Blood for about a year now. Such a great TCG and company behind it.

    • @Izlr88
      @Izlr88 Місяць тому +1

      @@mizzogames I've tried it and it was definitely interesting. Maybe I'll delve deeper in the near future.

    • @mizzogames
      @mizzogames Місяць тому +1

      @@Izlr88 yes, the more you play the more you got the nuances and great duel design on it. Took me some time to finally hit as well, now I'm playing Armory every week at LGS. The community is also great!

    • @thek838
      @thek838 Місяць тому +1

      Not really because there has obviously been a massive surge in new players thanks to commander which just evens it out.

    • @mizzogames
      @mizzogames Місяць тому +2

      @@thek838 the new player average active is now around 1 to 2 years. The old player base that used to expand good cash and was like collectors are now leaving the game.

  • @DarthTUK
    @DarthTUK Місяць тому +7

    I would like to hear your thoughts (mostly just vocalized top tier trashtalk) on the spicy NDA Wizards wants the new Commander Panel members to sign. (there is a clause to never-ever trashtalk wizards even after the contract ends)

    • @TheMagicHistorian
      @TheMagicHistorian  Місяць тому +7

      I Haven't heard about this yet, where can I find information on it?

    • @DarthTUK
      @DarthTUK Місяць тому +1

      ​@@TheMagicHistorian Gavin Duggan ( @genomancer ) from RC tweeted this

    • @MisterWebb
      @MisterWebb Місяць тому

      Seems fair enough to me … No NDA, no job.

    • @DarthTUK
      @DarthTUK Місяць тому

      @@MisterWebb It's not the NDA, that's the issue - it's that he has to abide indefinitely about not speaking his mind that's baked into it.

  • @lanmarknetworking3034
    @lanmarknetworking3034 Місяць тому +33

    Hyper Competitive Culture like Japanes reject Casual Commander the Gathering??? No Doyy

    • @mizzogames
      @mizzogames Місяць тому +3

      Flesh and Blood will flourish there now it is localized.

    • @WhipLash42o
      @WhipLash42o Місяць тому +5

      @@mizzogames Define flourish, because the only card game flourishing in Japan is Pokemon lmfao. Its sales lead is so astronomical that other card games are just picking at scraps.

    • @Mr-hm1wr
      @Mr-hm1wr Місяць тому +1

      ​@@WhipLash42owhat happens when you poke the bear..they ain't been right since dubba-u dubba-u 2, when they were still the Empire of Japan. Lost something along the way. Ended up all hello kitty and pokemon lovers. 😂 MAGIC is KING

    • @vollied4865
      @vollied4865 Місяць тому

      Literally knows nothing about the Japanese players and says ignorant shit like this, always the white people 😂
      Japan's the most casual format that can casual you can top with anything there idiot

    • @MisterWebb
      @MisterWebb Місяць тому

      @@Mr-hm1wrghey af

  • @TheDarkElder
    @TheDarkElder Місяць тому +10

    Seems like they put Pioneer onto Ashnod's Altar to give Standard +2 mana.

  • @Radiant_Rips_TCG
    @Radiant_Rips_TCG Місяць тому +6

    Pioneer is my favorite format in magic… I don’t see myself playing standard just to be able to play competitively. It’s crazy that they know and don’t care that so many of us spent money on these cards to be able to compete and now they decide that our cards are useless for the foreseeable future. I really feel like I’m better off selling my cards at this point and putting my resources into a different card game. At least Yugioh has 8 man pod events for retro formats at every regional. If anyone’s interested in buying my magic collection I’m open to offers, send a pm I guess 🤷‍♂️

    • @kimjung-un8204
      @kimjung-un8204 Місяць тому +1

      I quit mtg and just went to yugioh, I just haven't sold my sold me collection yet

    • @Radiant_Rips_TCG
      @Radiant_Rips_TCG Місяць тому

      @@kimjung-un8204 yea I’d much rather put my resources into a game that’s supported by the company who sells the cards. Magic just feels like a big money grab at this point, it’s a shame but the reality of the situation. I just want to be done with it at this point.

    • @Aaron-l3l6g
      @Aaron-l3l6g Місяць тому

      First time?

  • @auraaetherbladesigma6939
    @auraaetherbladesigma6939 Місяць тому +17

    That’s what happens when you prioritize short term gain and Perpetual profit over long term stability
    (Oh seems like I was the first to comment. Meh.)

  • @izaakkemp8938
    @izaakkemp8938 Місяць тому +3

    Glad I sold my pioneer decks. RIP to one of the most trash formats in Magic's history

    • @Aaron-l3l6g
      @Aaron-l3l6g Місяць тому +2

      You misspelled Commander.

  • @OmnipotensDeus
    @OmnipotensDeus Місяць тому +4

    I feel like I chose the wrong year to get back into it after 8+ years , everywhere I go I see depressing kews and such.
    (I've gone to my lsg to buy a precon deck some booster and all the day the commanders bans happened and since then I only comw across this type of news kinda depressing)

    • @TheMagicHistorian
      @TheMagicHistorian  Місяць тому +6

      You're totally allowed to just enjoy yourself with magic(I still play quite a bit and have fun), If you avoid clicking on the negative videos then youtube will show you fewer of them. If my videos bum you out there is an option(3 dots beside the video title on the main page) that will let you tell youtube not to recommend this channel. If you do that with the channels showing the kind of news you don't want to see you will stop being shown that stuff. Click on the videos that are talking about what they are excited about or what is new and that should help improve your experience. My videos are meant for informative and entertainment purposes, not to make people sad so I am 100% good with you removing me from your recommendations so you can enjoy yourself more. Life is short, so focus on what makes you happy my man.

  • @jolly-jellydunderii3058
    @jolly-jellydunderii3058 Місяць тому +3

    So are we getting a Magic Historian Old Wizard V-Tuber stream?

  • @KebbieG
    @KebbieG Місяць тому +8

    Yeah I am a huge Pioneer fan and it hurts me that I can't play the format competitively.

    • @MillionaireRobot
      @MillionaireRobot Місяць тому +1

      Isn't Pioneer basically Explorer?

    • @KebbieG
      @KebbieG Місяць тому

      @@MillionaireRobot Yes my content has been more Explorer lately.

  • @williamwh810
    @williamwh810 Місяць тому +1

    Honestly when he said guess where on the top ten I assumed it was in tenth place due to card quality, story telling issues, power level increases, number of releases, prices, and format management. Now I am curious how it ranks among different regions.

  • @jamesieboy666
    @jamesieboy666 Місяць тому +20

    Its crazy that WoTC would have seen how powerful the competitive E-Gaming space became and decided to push casual rather than promote their brand and get players sponsorships to do crazy publicized events.
    Like watching a competitive magic game is just as interesting as watching people play halo or whatever. The fact they love commander but didn't even bother capitalizing on CEDH is mindboggling.

    • @bstampl1
      @bstampl1 Місяць тому +1

      Agree. I want an official 4-player free-for-all competitive format, dammit!

    • @eduardosanz9434
      @eduardosanz9434 Місяць тому +3

      @@bstampl1 Commander cant be competitive, it is in its own nature.

    • @gabrielsoo2939
      @gabrielsoo2939 Місяць тому

      they tried to push into esports with arena and failed. They abandoned their successful pro competition scene for arena esports with influencers. And then abandon that for casual commander for revenue

    • @katesperinck1401
      @katesperinck1401 Місяць тому

      The cammander scene as a whole bristle at the notion of CEDH, absolutely nothing wrong with it and the people that play it but I understand why Wizards wouldn't want to be a lens on it particularly when only a small segment of the player base engage in it

    • @mortenbrandtjensen6470
      @mortenbrandtjensen6470 Місяць тому +1

      MtG is a social experience. So getting more players into casual play makes good sense.

  • @peachydls341
    @peachydls341 Місяць тому +12

    I have 30+ pioneer decks in my closet. Please tell me it's not the end of the world for my collection.

    • @KebbieG
      @KebbieG Місяць тому +3

      I feel your pain as a Pioneer content creator.

    • @hermodnitter3902
      @hermodnitter3902 Місяць тому +5

      Your collection will unfortunately never be worth anything as long as wotc consequently reprints every card with value.

    • @insomnyteq
      @insomnyteq Місяць тому

      Ngl that’s on you

    • @HunterX57
      @HunterX57 Місяць тому

      your pioneer decks are modern legal 🎉

    • @keywacat
      @keywacat Місяць тому

      @peachydls341 Sounds like you've got a well-rounded 'battle box', sort of a board game to play with your friends if the decks are relatively balanced against each other.
      I do the same with Modern (7 decks) and Vintage (4 decks powered by China) for times some lads I play with and I want to do something different than EDH.

  • @kingofnothing447
    @kingofnothing447 Місяць тому +1

    15:30 🤓 actually WOTC released duel masters twice, once in the 2000's (the version Japan is using)and then in the 2010's as Kaijudo.

  • @BenEastabrook
    @BenEastabrook Місяць тому +1

    Where was it on the list before, and how long ago? How far has it fallen? Was it always 8th and we're only just looking at it? I feel like I didn't learn anything about the progression of the game in Japan during recent events

  • @Entropy2352
    @Entropy2352 Місяць тому +4

    Are you for real??? PIoneer is like the perfect middle ground, thats so BS when they are forcing their dumb explorer and alchemy formats. Shame on WOTC, I just bought cards and I'm already regretting it with these kind of changes.

  • @speakerrob1859
    @speakerrob1859 Місяць тому

    I just came back from Japan and it was actually surprised how hard it was to find MTG anywhere. After two weeks and 12 cities later, I finally found a store that sold MTG outside Tokyo. Even then, I had two options - Bloomborrow or MH3 play boosters.

  • @CaptainMarvel4Ever
    @CaptainMarvel4Ever Місяць тому +1

    The Yu-Gi-Oh thing is very true. Touch an English Yu-Gi-Oh card and it'll tear in your fingers. Touch a Japanese card and it's a whole other experience, the paper is so well crafted. Japanese Yu-Gi-Oh cards could take a bullet and they'd still look and feel fine as silk.
    Worse yet Yu-Gi-Oh TCG could make us quality cards over here. Here's a lil trick for ya if you got some pocket change. Buy a Fire King Structure deck, a Speed Duel product, and a simple Yu-Gi-Oh booster, then compare the quality. There's a casual product called "Speed Duel" meant to be sold to ordinary joes, and the card quality is through the roof, damn near water and tear proof. Then there's the new structure deck, not quite as solid, but it's a product that knows it's for new people, and the cards look and feel pretty damn good. Then there's a booster, a product for people already buying the game, and those cards are like tissue. Konami could make better cards over in the west, but they only bother if it's in products for new fans.
    Konami OCG (Japan and Asia) has so many pro consumer practices to keep up with such a cut throat market. Meanwhile Konami TCG does everything to cut cost while raising prices and doing everything possible to abuse whales no matter how detrimental.

  • @thomashayes2536
    @thomashayes2536 Місяць тому +4

    Weiss schwarz is basically anime mashup tcg. That being said I don’t know all animes they put onto cards so it is possible that panzer tank waifu may still be accurate

    • @gubigubigubigubi
      @gubigubigubigubi Місяць тому +3

      So its basically the MTG of Japan then.
      Because all MTG is a pop culture mash up tcg lol

    • @TheTacticalBat
      @TheTacticalBat Місяць тому +3

      Unlike MTG, which only has Fortnite, Walking Dead, Street Fighter, Warhammer 40k, Transformers, Lord of the Rings, Jurassic Park, Monty Python, Assassin's Creed, Godzilla, Evil Dead, Final Fantasy, Fallout, Marvel, Dr Who, Stranger Things, Tomb Raider, Ghostbusters and Hatsune Miku shoved into it.

    • @keywacat
      @keywacat Місяць тому +1

      @@TheTacticalBat Don't forget The Princess Bride...

    • @bladez4eva
      @bladez4eva Місяць тому

      I dont know about tank waifus but there is battleship waifus from kancolle and azur lane etc its a weirdly big market

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 Місяць тому

      @@TheTacticalBat And Hatsune Miku is the beginning of the invasion of anime into MTG. They saw the profit margins they got, they're going to keep doing this until they run out of anime to license. MTG is soon going to stop being even "the western parallel to Weiss Schwarz", it'll just be outright Weiss Schwarz.

  • @tidewatcher9962
    @tidewatcher9962 Місяць тому +2

    Duel Masters beating out MTG, you love to see it.

  • @craigstege6376
    @craigstege6376 Місяць тому

    That's probably the best news Pioneer as a format will ever get. I hope pauper follows suit. The second WoTC's eye of Sauron falls onto a fan format and they start printing cards specifically for it the fun of the format gets thrown out the window and power creep replaces it.

  • @breakingblackmagic7617
    @breakingblackmagic7617 Місяць тому

    are u talking about the leyline deck with the prowess triggers? its like mono red burn?

  • @WchubbsT
    @WchubbsT Місяць тому +2

    Remind me next year after final fantasy releases. Curious how that affects Japan sales

    • @WhipLash42o
      @WhipLash42o Місяць тому

      Here's a spoiler, its still getting bulldozed by Pokemon.

    • @WchubbsT
      @WchubbsT Місяць тому

      @@WhipLash42o I realize that. I know mtg is like 9th on the list in Japan I just wonder if it will go up to at least top 5 with the final fantasy set. It will never beat Pokémon or yugi oh though.

  • @Beckola44
    @Beckola44 Місяць тому +1

    Ranked 8th in Japan if very PATHETIC!!! Of course Wizards will continue to raise prices and cut back on card quality and go the CHEAP route because Chris Cocks wants more bonuses for himself and the shareholders. Expect at least a few more price increases in 2025. Last year I used to pay $89.99 for a Draft box and $99.99 for a Set Booster box. Hasbro's plan is to eventually charge double for a box from last year's prices. Thank you for the video Magic Historian.

  • @hermodnitter3902
    @hermodnitter3902 Місяць тому +2

    I think Japan was always more 1v1 oriented, so the endless commander focus is biting wotc back, and deservedly so. Also it's good that you mention both the card quality and the ever increasing prices. I have no sympathy with wotc (hasbro) anymore. Stopped buying sealed two years ago, and only spends money on old school cards (and a very few new singles that are also cheap). Hopefully they get a reality check from this.

  • @dannybun9332
    @dannybun9332 Місяць тому

    I appreciate the way you do streams. Some people i follow clog up my entire feed with streams I dont watch.

  • @ultimaterare3146
    @ultimaterare3146 Місяць тому +1

    Modern is going through what Yugioh advanced format does. Powercreep as the only answer to keep ppl interested.

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 Місяць тому

      And Yugioh has the benefit of an anime series and a willingness to make products that appeal to virgins giving people reasons to buy uncompetitive product. MTG *only* sells on power level because it never developed a brand identity that made people care about anything else.

  • @chrisharrison2900
    @chrisharrison2900 Місяць тому

    There is an issue in the limited scene, making the game a casual format and increasing the overall cost of draft packs has seen the competitive players walk away from limited events. Prerelease having 2 packs per player prize support and with the price increase it is a pack person for draft prize support. What I have seen and talked with the competitive players in my area is that they are drafting older sets amongst a small group of friends. There needs to be a price drop in product and a focus on competitive play, casual play is killing the limited scene.

  • @voidmaster6353
    @voidmaster6353 Місяць тому +30

    They are from Japan, OF COURSE THEY WILL CHOOSE THEIR WAIFUS over all.

    • @joshrzepka4139
      @joshrzepka4139 Місяць тому +5

      Don't forget husbandos

    • @voidmaster6353
      @voidmaster6353 Місяць тому +3

      @@joshrzepka4139 Fair point

    • @mizzogames
      @mizzogames Місяць тому +3

      Also Flesh and Blood is there now. Translated to Japanese.

    • @commonviewer81a20
      @commonviewer81a20 Місяць тому +2

      LOL ABOUT TIME BOOBA ALWAYS WIN! F THE IBTC ARTSTYLE. Long live the BTGG artstyle!

    • @Oz__MTG
      @Oz__MTG Місяць тому

      Facts!

  • @DirkVomEck
    @DirkVomEck Місяць тому +1

    Sooo... has Magic ever been higher on the list in Japan?
    I find it obvious that all the Manga/Anime IP's rank higher in Japan then Magic and without older rankings to compare this to it feels like hyped up not-news.

  • @mfsoab
    @mfsoab Місяць тому

    Not that I really care, but does anyone know how Lorcana is doing? Haven't seen anything about it for a while but was somehow expecting it to be on that list because of all the hype around the release.

    • @Anim3Gamer
      @Anim3Gamer Місяць тому

      Lorcana is not out in Japan yet, and is set to release in 2025 with help locally from Tamara Tomy. I’d expect that its release will make a splash in the market, but perhaps not as big as other countries due to how competitive the market is.

    • @mfsoab
      @mfsoab Місяць тому

      @@Anim3Gamer Thanks for the clarification. Wasn't expecting such a big offset in the releases

  • @addiwoodrish4852
    @addiwoodrish4852 Місяць тому +2

    Non-rotating format exists and works well enough for Flesh and Blood.

    • @mizzogames
      @mizzogames Місяць тому +2

      Best TCG in my opinion! FaB is pure quality and passion.

    • @andrewostman3135
      @andrewostman3135 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@mizzogamesI am hopelessly addicted to it now

    • @andrewostman3135
      @andrewostman3135 Місяць тому +1

      They take care to prune it to keep it working. I.e I appreciated the book burning. That was a good ban event

    • @andrewostman3135
      @andrewostman3135 Місяць тому +1

      @@mizzogames I'm curious to see what happens since they just debuted in Japan and it was a pretty big success

    • @mizzogames
      @mizzogames Місяць тому +1

      @@andrewostman3135 indeed, totally different company mindset. Also the flavor to the Heroes is topnotch!

  • @eduardogalindo5364
    @eduardogalindo5364 Місяць тому +1

    For being selfish, egotistic, and greedy it cost them a lot of money and the players trust. And not forget the only reason why standard is barely breathing because they went all in on digital Gameplay and cost some big tournaments to die

  • @leox.jaramillo3231
    @leox.jaramillo3231 Місяць тому

    I haven't had a standard paper deck for like 4 years now. At this point, I doubt I'll ever have one again. Pioneer, on the other hand, was really exciting, and I got 3 decks. I guess I won't have another one either.

  • @alanc12402
    @alanc12402 Місяць тому

    When I went to Japan back in September - I went to several places in Akihabara - there was no MtG to be seen. I know there's places that still sell product, but without the competitive edge, it's a ghost of what it once was.

  • @snethss
    @snethss Місяць тому +1

    What's the Pioneer format?

  • @michaelgriffith7033
    @michaelgriffith7033 Місяць тому

    Most LCSs in my area focus mainly on Commander. Standard is doing fairly well at one store, but Modern gets more love from that store's Magic players if attendance is any indication. 2 to 3 times more players show up for Modern sessions.

  • @hunterstrong3318
    @hunterstrong3318 Місяць тому

    Its a trickle down effect. Start with standard then the cards rotate out as you build your collection and also onflvest in other cards, getting you into pioneer, and as your investments grow, and you get stronger old cards you slowly push back into older formats, but standard keeps a check on other formats, with less and less cards effect formats the closer to eternal it gets

  • @tcsmagicbox
    @tcsmagicbox Місяць тому

    I remember when Duel Masters came out in the U.S. It failed after a few sets. Then it came back as Kaijudo, and it failed miserably as well.

  • @antearesgamer
    @antearesgamer Місяць тому +2

    when they've dogwatered the game down to yugioh levels this is what you get...a game for anti-social people who have no
    semblance of fun other than dominating the opponent in the least amount of time possible simply because you spent more money for the best deck...wotc tried to chase yugioh money not knowing that it is popular because the milennials watched the cartoons not because the game was any good

  • @DadofCheems
    @DadofCheems Місяць тому

    No surprise with the games in Japan. They have the support for card games and companies willing to put out solid sets.

  • @yurisei6732
    @yurisei6732 Місяць тому +1

    The Japanese market just has way higher standards, and WOTC doesn't understand that so give the Japanese the same as they give everyone else. Even Yugioh is relatively consumer-friendly in Japan, not only is the print quality good, but all cards are also available in relatively cheap printings from day one. Then you've got things like Weiss Schwarz that just blow the big three out of the water visually.
    On the topic of Hololive, people don't realise just how big Hololive actually is because you hear nothing about it unless you're inside the culture. Hololive streamers dominate the top female streamer income charts globally - despite the fact that Japanese is not a very commonly spoken language. They're basically national celebrities. There's a massive cultural crossover between them and Hatsune Miku, which this year MTG fans found out has a huge and obsessive fanbase.

    • @Cybertech134
      @Cybertech134 Місяць тому

      "On the topic of Hololive, people don't realise just how big Hololive actually is because you hear nothing about it unless you're inside the culture."
      If you only hear about it if you're in the culture, then it's not that big.

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 Місяць тому

      @@Cybertech134 That's absurd, no one's ever heard of my mum but she's still humungous.

  • @ccggenius
    @ccggenius Місяць тому

    Union Arena has no chance of overtaking WS. They shit the bed with the JP launch, and while there's been a course correction, they've already announced a new card game for Gundam before the game even properly launched to global.

  • @MrRuff-cc3lg
    @MrRuff-cc3lg Місяць тому

    Really hoping Hasbro tanks Magic so that they sell it. Garfield comes back and buys it so that the game returns to its’ former glory. That’s my Christmas Land dream.

  • @imkranlopez5426
    @imkranlopez5426 Місяць тому

    Anyone remember when Store Championships had Standard promos and playmats? What about Game Day playmats for the winner? MtG Player Rewards where they mailed you promos according to how many events you played in? A plethora of Standard PTQs, GPTs, etc? It's like the opposite of Field of Dreams. If you don't support it, no one will play.

  • @shawnwillbok
    @shawnwillbok Місяць тому

    This sucks I been playing pioneer since it was created. I’m left out in the cold here. I have 9 decks I have collected since it started. My local FNM is pioneer. Wonder if that will change now. I guess I will have to worry about it come December when I start playing again.

  • @josephcourtright8071
    @josephcourtright8071 Місяць тому

    Pioneer was the last pure 1v1 eternal format left. I'm starting to think that there isn't a place for me in magic anymore.

  • @sigelsegal2297
    @sigelsegal2297 Місяць тому

    Duelmasters was the reason I got into magic. I remember my neighbor had gotten some of the base set and I went with him and his mom to buy Evo Crushinators packs at Toys R Us. By the time the TCG fell out of print we just jumped onto MTG around time spiral. I always thought that the purpose of DM was to ease younger kids into MTG.

  • @Boonedale
    @Boonedale Місяць тому

    Whats the list for the US?

  • @metal--babble346
    @metal--babble346 Місяць тому

    all digital is MTG dream. Save printing, packaging & shipping costs...
    ... Video games ONLY

  • @Wa11breaker
    @Wa11breaker Місяць тому

    Being honest, if I ever leave EDH, I'm getting into boardgames and that's it, tired of companies fucking up TCGs, like a "game as a service irl".....

  • @tarkus1113
    @tarkus1113 Місяць тому

    15:38
    Early 2000’s they did as Dual Masters.

  • @jacobsjordanphd9133
    @jacobsjordanphd9133 Місяць тому

    I recently opened DSK collector
    Boosters printed in USA and the card quality was significantly BETTER than the collector boxes I opened of BLB made in Japan.

  • @LudwigRamirez
    @LudwigRamirez Місяць тому

    This is seriously bad news for my LGS. We’ve got a lot of Pioneer players. 😢😢😢

  • @ivanrenteria3257
    @ivanrenteria3257 Місяць тому

    I mean if magic ever went back to the good ol days where you had some very appealing female artwork then yes it would rise the ranks of card games in Japan overnight.

  • @JimjimG
    @JimjimG Місяць тому

    It's actually funny. I don't know why but I pick up interest more in seing people sending their custom designed card on reddit rather than on any spoilers from original wotc sets. I've stop playing paper since Ikoria, and there is nothing to regret tbh.

  • @patrickmcathey7081
    @patrickmcathey7081 Місяць тому

    Pioneer was an exercise in greed. They wanted to double dip modern. They found direct insert to modern more profitable

  • @Zebulization
    @Zebulization Місяць тому

    I truly hope that schools of business record everything that Hasboro does. Then, use Hasboro as an example of what not to do with a brand. A cautionary example of why a company should treat customers as emotional people rather than inanimate money bags.

    • @Cephalopopo
      @Cephalopopo Місяць тому +1

      The players are not their customers. Their customers are the investors and they tend heavily to them. They are making more profit than ever so from business school point of view they are perfect. MTG players are more like livestock for them.
      Similar with Facebook and all the other corporations, you are not the customer you are part of the product.

    • @Zebulization
      @Zebulization Місяць тому

      @Cephalopopo odd. After this last round of bans, I have seen several videos telling people that game pieces (such as cards) are a terrible investment. Basically, wizards poisoned several bags of feed that the farmers were intending to use. Since the livestock refuse to eat the poisoned feed, the farmers have to take a loss. (It is a bad analogy, but wizards did cause the depreciation in value directly by their actions.)

  • @Anim3Gamer
    @Anim3Gamer Місяць тому

    Not a surprise Hololive OCG is blowing up. Trying to get cards for that game is crazy right now since it just released. The gameplay is very much like Pokemon, but collectors are of course are going crazy since packs have a chance to have foil-stamped signed cards from the VTubers, and possibly even actual pen-signed cards.
    And this is coming the US. And Hololive’s fastest growing market is the United States. Bushiroad is probably hoping this will be the game that finally allows them to dent the US market, and considering how well Hololive’s concerts have gone in the US (sold out in minutes) as well as a successful collaboration with the LA Dodgers - much of the market that is tilted toward Bushiroad’s other games and the YuGiOh market can shift immediately to HOCG. That in turn could cause MTG & especially Pokémon players to jump ship.
    I’d expect HOCG to come next year. And it won’t even be the only VTuber TCG coming - as January 2025 will be the launch of Oshi Push by Japanime Games. There is also VCard TCG, as well as Rift Runners. All these games are pushing into the US market, and likely set to arrive next year.

  • @LoveYouFor10000Years
    @LoveYouFor10000Years Місяць тому

    union arena is played here in Southern California. in quite a few lgs i go to.

  • @mattfisher1916
    @mattfisher1916 Місяць тому +9

    Power level is a myth. There has been two three and four turn wins for a while now

    • @TheTacticalBat
      @TheTacticalBat Місяць тому +3

      yeah, it's nearly impossible to quantify a power level. Card A could be somewhat powerful, but if you also play Card B, Card A becomes a game breakingly good card. How are you supposed to put a numerical value on that? The short answer is, you can't. It's a fallacy to think decks can be categorized and be given a standardized power level.

    • @antearesgamer
      @antearesgamer Місяць тому

      🤡s. 4 turn wins IS the power creep. In fact, there's decks that can get 3 wins regularly. That stuff used to be reserved for vintage then it infected modern and now people have left the game in droves. Myth my ass.

    • @TheTacticalBat
      @TheTacticalBat Місяць тому

      @antearesgamer The power creep is real and is the main thing that pushes sales. Saying "Hey look at this card coming out that is game breakingly good, better get your preorder in!" shouldn't work every time yet somehow people are foolish enough to fall for it.

  • @omnitricks815
    @omnitricks815 Місяць тому +1

    Kinda glad I gotten into the weeb card games this year (WS, HL and OP) as MTG has been getting dull and disappointing for me.

  • @marcuswehle1833
    @marcuswehle1833 Місяць тому

    I agree making magic cards free to play the costs in any way should be banned. Especially cards that take cards off the top of your library and you can cast them for free or for any color of mana.

  • @Sadistic14
    @Sadistic14 Місяць тому

    Yeah Buddy!

  • @heath1948
    @heath1948 Місяць тому

    I'm not surprised that magic isn't doing well in Japan.
    They have 2 other popular card games that are organic to that country.
    Those 2 are always going to be more popular than Magic the Gathering.

  • @PaulRGauthier
    @PaulRGauthier Місяць тому

    I just heard about Pioneer. What the effing eff??? What is WRONG with WotC??? Pioneer is the eternal format I'm actually interested in.
    And, yes. The power creep in recent sets is insane. It literally feels like I'm playing Modern when I play Standard these days.

  • @Zjivarra
    @Zjivarra Місяць тому

    Haha I guessed 8! 😮
    I do think Magic would be higher if you factor in MtGArena, which I think they should since it’s the same IP and kind of the same cards.

  • @ricardoblikman2676
    @ricardoblikman2676 Місяць тому

    One piece is massive in Japan I saw people play it everywhere, even in the Netherlands I see people play it and host tournaments.

  • @Octarinewolf
    @Octarinewolf Місяць тому

    Weiss Swarts is built around sets each based on an anime (including western ones). So you could be playing RWBY against Gurren Lagann. Or play Avengers versus JoJo's Bizzarre Adventures. It tends to be set up so you don't mix franchises in your deck from memory. It's hard to think of a major action anime in the last couple of decades that hasn't had a Weiss Swarts deck. Plus both Marvel (Avengers) and DC(Batman)

  • @shawn8228
    @shawn8228 Місяць тому +1

    Hardly anybody play Pioneer.

  • @regalgiant1597
    @regalgiant1597 Місяць тому

    Where is the source for no RCQ for pioneer?

  • @JohnTalbane87
    @JohnTalbane87 Місяць тому

    Figured Vermilion Tower 2 would’ve made the list. It’s a bit obscure but cool af

  • @Aaron-l3l6g
    @Aaron-l3l6g Місяць тому

    Kinda like how Hasbro and Wizards abandoned every other 60 card format in paper for the like the past 10 years or so? First time Pioneer players?

  • @kawaiiLorenz1995
    @kawaiiLorenz1995 Місяць тому

    The japanese showcase from DSK by touch and feel is definitely superior to the regular. I would buy them in singles i need to check them thoroughly because they don't feel like an MTG card in my hand. Hahahaha

  • @fernandob2275
    @fernandob2275 Місяць тому

    Last booster box i was actually interested in buying was way back with OG Zendikar and Alara Block. All down from there.
    og singles 98% of the time for me.

    • @fernandob2275
      @fernandob2275 Місяць тому

      Actually Kaldheim was straight up fire and Baldur’s gate too
      Other than that wotc has to tempt buyers with special borders and fancy trash cards to buy standard sets. Look at the special guests sheets now smh

  • @kawaiiLorenz1995
    @kawaiiLorenz1995 Місяць тому

    Hollow Live is popular because of the idol culture in japan. However, MTG falling to rank 8 is acceptable. 6-7 would be the safe spot. We need to save MTG from Hasbro.

  • @davidecheberry6746
    @davidecheberry6746 Місяць тому

    I don’t even know what to say… this game is now funky

  • @heath1948
    @heath1948 Місяць тому

    They're backing off Pioneer because they finally have control of the format they want. And they're gonna pour all their energy into that which is basically going to be making broken cards selling those cards till they can't sell them anymore without them. Being a problem banning them after they've made all the money they can make before the banning. It's the same cycle as standard and a lot of other formats in magic

  • @DuckStuffer
    @DuckStuffer Місяць тому

    Man I completely forgot about Duel Masters, I remember buying packs when I was younger and loving the art.

  • @mizzogames
    @mizzogames Місяць тому +4

    Flesh and Blood is the best competitive TCG by a large margin.