Imperial Spear Guard are especially good in the purple tier lock. Also, I'm glad to see that the Myrmillones are an effective unit. It means I haven't spent all this time on challenges for nothing. What would you say is the Myrmillones' biggest weakness?
Probably their scattering when charging, I think that needs to be tidied up with and AI tweak. From a player perspective you have to keep it in mind when fighting blobs
great vid, as per usual ! it's cool to see shields getting back into the game ! totally unrelated but I saw a picture of your setup recently ( the one you showed in one of your recent videos, new sound setup ) and I was wondering, how does your microphone not pick up the sound made by your keyboard ? the keyboard is literally in front of the microphone :o some software that helps with this ? thanks :)
Filtering, a directional mic and a quiet keyboard :) Also, the blue walls are 100mm thick accoustic baffles that kill sound. Sometimes you can hear it but I try not to have it in there
@@KnightStalker tyvm for the detailed answer, I appreciate it ! yeah i was definitely thinking about getting a mic boom with a cardioid microphone, there are affordable options, will be more than enough for some discord discussions :') thanks again, extra helpful ! :)
Absolutely going to go bottom line with my myrms. I already enjoy Just sitting there on a point with a minute left tanking the entire time with ISG, now I can't wait to do that with a unit that can have 40% damage reduction at all times If you split the veteranity
Some gate doors can be "defended" by putting fortebraccios lile how you did with the palace guards, their pikes will clip through the door and harm the melee heroes that went to destroy it, it works better with maps that have smaller gates like that of allenburg
@@KnightStalker I at first noticed it by using landsharks in reginopolis, I braced them right in front of the door of the under passage that leads to B, because no one went there to check, the enemy was hitting the door so I wanted to charge in the moment the door broke but, it resulted in the enemy being hit by the harberds so then I thought, what if I tried it with fortes and that led to discovering that pikes clip through walls and other objects, if those things are thin enough they will also hit whatever is behind
I've used myrmillones since they released not sure what veterancy to go yet previously went bottom I tried top but it doesn't feel right as they have little to no armor points and palace guards feel damaging but not enough to kill really maybe I'm playing them wrong idk
The charge one makes them do massive damage but the defence one allows them to take extreme punishment - both are fine as a selection. Their toughness comes from their shield, not their armor and are very very tanky - never judge a unit until it is max level. The general idea with palace guards is either charge or walk them in and brace. Wait until the brace is finished, use the shield bash and pull back. Rinse, repeat.
have you considered making a video classifying weapon classes based on what family member they represent? like, cool uncle for glaive, dad for longsword, masochistic misandric aunt for shortsword, etc.
As a spear, I like the Myrmillones for the high burst potential and great movement speed. I can usually get about 500-600 leadership worth from them in games just because of their strong engagement. Feels real solid and is one of my favorite units now.
There are two types of imperial guards - spear and pike. Spear are top tier, pike was not rated low, it was rated as a specialist unit for dealing with cav. Spears go bottom line, pikes are fine with either but i probably prefer the line with survivability for more cycles.
Mate, how do you walk around with those balls of steel? Lots of great quotes you have but I laugh out loud at “I don’t mind fighting berserkers, but that’s because I’m a veteran.” Your opening clips are also always good
Why does it feels like the new shield unit's model are smaller than Imperial spear? Even though they are only 4 model less, the shield formation looks like it doesn't cover enough space to me
Myrmis are so fun to play they kinda feel like huskarls but with more defence and obviously only one charge. Another thing I noticed is they should make a better X, V on them which would make them way better in sustained combat. PS.: And why you don't use heal button?
Yeah they have no micro potential due to how they scatter widely before taking an action like attack or reform. Because they self heal and I can longsword heal I can heal them reletively quickly and I typically save the heal button for when they are actively being attacked
Myrms are definitely not weak. Most people dont use shields and I would guess that means they don't know how to use them well due to lack of practice. This unit has huge utility.
Myrmillones work well with fortes, better than ISG's as they have a more active knocback. You should call them Murmillies or Murmies :D The Palace Guards charge is pretty good for killing cavalry and breaking shields, you can use the charge after you use the brace and shield bash for a bit of burst damage. 9:33 Odins Charge (Berserkers charge abilities) doesnt actually break block but instead simulates the effects without actually reducing block. They do need some kind of nerf without making them useless, you could make it so every 2nd or 3rd frenzy the unit takes 15% or 20% more damage, also maybe increase the damage they take from heroes. 11:07 it is indeed lame to do that, but its a common thing to do and you want to have a person back there for that reason. 11:45 more got hit but they heal in formation so it only looked like 2 took damage. 12:38 just like Dark Souls do not panic roll as that depletes your stamina VERY fast. 13:53 I think that was an axe raider by looking at the enemies units when you pressed tab a few seconds before. 15:40 village watchmen XD. I do enjoy watching your battles KnightStalker, a good change of pace from the battles where I train newbies.
Poleaxe's Halberdiers thrust has some brutal bleed and block break, its fun to hit a unit of Greyhairs with it and see all the red numbers pop up. The Poleaxe is overall pretty lethal right now. You want to roll a bit in unit battles generally to the left right and back. Paying attention to a troublesome units abilities can help alot, for example if you see a unit of palace guards activate the crouch and shield bash you can now sweep in and kill them (depending on what unit you have) or if you see grenades explode and a few seconds later you see a unit of shenji's you can then infer that they dont have their grenade toss up to stop you from reaching them. You can apply that in all situations from Hero vs Hero to large scale battles. And a quick reminder that losing units is part of the game, keeping a unit of Palace guard out of a major team push simply because you know you'll most likely lose some models is bad gameplay.
at 15:40 you can really see how attires can change how people react, it mainly works with pikes and ranged as they all have similar animations and similar abilities. I can't tell you how many times I've had a heart attack thinking that I got flanked by Walkies or Prefecture pikemen.
Why thank you, I do try my best :) And yes, pikes are often hard to ID when you're busy multitasking and tracking multiple enemies. I think my mind was more on the cav who kept trying to squish me rather than the pikes
Yeah I love the palace guards first purp unit and first maxed I did same route on veterancy and today I got so damn lucky I was bored so I made two mauld both came out purp so I tried pike got blue and then got a legendary long sword great day lol 😌
Mauls make great paperweights, or potentially good for putting on top of your rubbish bin to keep critters out of it. The longsword is your best roll, which is appropriate :)
@@KnightStalker i meant to ask what is the point of imperial knight armor on your player compared to the basic heavy armor and how do I get note if its worth it
It's not worth it, frankly. Because you cant roll and reroll purple armor schematics dozens of times due to their rarity, you'll never get a set with say, full leadership or any other stat you are hoping to maximise. Added to that the basic guardsmen set bonus is probably better than the imperial knight set bonus.
I think bottom line is pretty much the ONLY way to go with these guys. I remember reading the Unit Guide about them and what stuck with me most is it said "These are not hack-and-slash units, they are defend-to-the-death units". That says their specialty is absorbing punishment, which means the proper way to use them is to make them tanky as all hell.
I'm playing both and I'm not sure. I am finding it hard to make a decision either way! What it probably comes down to is, if I want a charge infantry unit, there are better ones - but, if I want a damage sponge... these guys are serious contenders!
Imperial Spear Guard are especially good in the purple tier lock. Also, I'm glad to see that the Myrmillones are an effective unit. It means I haven't spent all this time on challenges for nothing. What would you say is the Myrmillones' biggest weakness?
Probably their scattering when charging, I think that needs to be tidied up with and AI tweak. From a player perspective you have to keep it in mind when fighting blobs
Ok, thanks. I'll keep this in mind while playing them. Hopefully they get a patch out soon.
Great video man. Really enjoyed it.
Can you do a video on anti-berserker units? Some servers are still being plague with the zerks. Thanks.
Not a bad idea that, so many people struggle with them but they are pretty easy to beat.
I'll give that some thought!
great vid, as per usual ! it's cool to see shields getting back into the game ! totally unrelated but I saw a picture of your setup recently ( the one you showed in one of your recent videos, new sound setup ) and I was wondering, how does your microphone not pick up the sound made by your keyboard ? the keyboard is literally in front of the microphone :o some software that helps with this ? thanks :)
Filtering, a directional mic and a quiet keyboard :) Also, the blue walls are 100mm thick accoustic baffles that kill sound.
Sometimes you can hear it but I try not to have it in there
Oooh, I see what you mean. That was a temporary stand while I got everything set up, I actually use a mic boom usually
@@KnightStalker tyvm for the detailed answer, I appreciate it ! yeah i was definitely thinking about getting a mic boom with a cardioid microphone, there are affordable options, will be more than enough for some discord discussions :') thanks again, extra helpful ! :)
Can you make an updated tier list vid? I am newer and am looking for recommendations for what units to unlock first from seasons and from the tree
Yes, that will be out in the next couple weeks
Another great video. Looks like your team was lacking a little. Thick boys are the way to go every time.
They weren't too bad. Somebody has to run the back line defence, thats me :)
Absolutely going to go bottom line with my myrms. I already enjoy Just sitting there on a point with a minute left tanking the entire time with ISG, now I can't wait to do that with a unit that can have 40% damage reduction at all times If you split the veteranity
imagine being a longsword too, and stacking it, THICC
Chonk and a half :)
Some gate doors can be "defended" by putting fortebraccios lile how you did with the palace guards, their pikes will clip through the door and harm the melee heroes that went to destroy it, it works better with maps that have smaller gates like that of allenburg
Thats kinda... exploity :/
But yeah certainly can be done!
@@KnightStalker I at first noticed it by using landsharks in reginopolis, I braced them right in front of the door of the under passage that leads to B, because no one went there to check, the enemy was hitting the door so I wanted to charge in the moment the door broke but, it resulted in the enemy being hit by the harberds so then I thought, what if I tried it with fortes and that led to discovering that pikes clip through walls and other objects, if those things are thin enough they will also hit whatever is behind
I've used myrmillones since they released not sure what veterancy to go yet previously went bottom I tried top but it doesn't feel right as they have little to no armor points and palace guards feel damaging but not enough to kill really maybe I'm playing them wrong idk
The charge one makes them do massive damage but the defence one allows them to take extreme punishment - both are fine as a selection. Their toughness comes from their shield, not their armor and are very very tanky - never judge a unit until it is max level.
The general idea with palace guards is either charge or walk them in and brace. Wait until the brace is finished, use the shield bash and pull back. Rinse, repeat.
have you considered making a video classifying weapon classes based on what family member they represent? like, cool uncle for glaive, dad for longsword, masochistic misandric aunt for shortsword, etc.
Thats a very interesting idea :D
As a spear, I like the Myrmillones for the high burst potential and great movement speed. I can usually get about 500-600 leadership worth from them in games just because of their strong engagement. Feels real solid and is one of my favorite units now.
I loooove them
what doctrines you using on prefecture guards? I see no Ironsides, so was curious.
also, veterancy on Imp Guards is top? on your tier list, it was bottom. are both viable?
No ironsides, all damage doctrines. The unit is exclusively about dat juicy burst damage
There are two types of imperial guards - spear and pike.
Spear are top tier, pike was not rated low, it was rated as a specialist unit for dealing with cav.
Spears go bottom line, pikes are fine with either but i probably prefer the line with survivability for more cycles.
Hi I’m a new player and when faced with bazercers I often get crushed what is there counter?
Lots, if you watch my "what unit should i get infantry tier list" from a couple weeks ago I explain it near the end of the video
So I’ve been trying the PG since watching ur videos. What is the reason I put them in cover commander after using the drill?
Prefecture guard? They get other bonuses in cover mode, keeps them tight together and stacked to intensify damage
Can cohort build a field camp?
I don't believe so, but I don't play TW so I could be wrong
Knightstalker, whats your total armour numbers?
A little over 850 for each. My stats are dumped into more HP
Actually had a match were my team lost to a base cap like that, the match was over in 3 mins
Lol! Nobody ran back to stop it? Suuuux
Mate, how do you walk around with those balls of steel? Lots of great quotes you have but I laugh out loud at “I don’t mind fighting berserkers, but that’s because I’m a veteran.” Your opening clips are also always good
I speak my truth lol!
Glad you find them entertaining :)
Thicc Boy, Nutty Boy and Crouching Tiger Boy work perfectly with Healing Hero.
Meat shield bring moar meat shields :D
@@KnightStalker Meat Boy Parade...haha
Why does it feels like the new shield unit's model are smaller than Imperial spear? Even though they are only 4 model less, the shield formation looks like it doesn't cover enough space to me
In short, it doesn't. But they are distictly different to other shields. They are more like prefecture pikes charge with a shielded recovery.
hey knight for you whats better between pike and glaive
Pike is more meta, glaive still good
Today as a new player, I learned how to roll.
Interesting fact for you: Not all classes have a roll. Some have a shuffle, others a hop and others again a short dash :)
I didnt even know, I went from longbow to spear, which has a dedicated roll ability and when others rolled I just assumed that is was an ability.
Myrmis are so fun to play they kinda feel like huskarls but with more defence and obviously only one charge. Another thing I noticed is they should make a better X, V on them which would make them way better in sustained combat.
PS.: And why you don't use heal button?
Yeah they have no micro potential due to how they scatter widely before taking an action like attack or reform.
Because they self heal and I can longsword heal I can heal them reletively quickly and I typically save the heal button for when they are actively being attacked
I wish to ask about azaps are they as good as palace guard ?
In my opinion Azaps are hot garbage.
Outside of a couple very specific scenarios they perform incredibly poorly.
@@KnightStalker i see thank you.
What attributes are you using on LS?
Full toughness all day baby! :)
The Thumbnail though :D
THICC :D
Epic video I really want to try the new purple units 🤗🤩👍😁😀
I really like them! Recommended :)
Everyone told me that new box os weak and useless... Ive lost count how many times I (AND my whole unit) got deleted by them, thats just stupid
Myrms are definitely not weak. Most people dont use shields and I would guess that means they don't know how to use them well due to lack of practice. This unit has huge utility.
Myrmillones work well with fortes, better than ISG's as they have a more active knocback. You should call them Murmillies or Murmies :D The Palace Guards charge is pretty good for killing cavalry and breaking shields, you can use the charge after you use the brace and shield bash for a bit of burst damage. 9:33 Odins Charge (Berserkers charge abilities) doesnt actually break block but instead simulates the effects without actually reducing block. They do need some kind of nerf without making them useless, you could make it so every 2nd or 3rd frenzy the unit takes 15% or 20% more damage, also maybe increase the damage they take from heroes. 11:07 it is indeed lame to do that, but its a common thing to do and you want to have a person back there for that reason. 11:45 more got hit but they heal in formation so it only looked like 2 took damage. 12:38 just like Dark Souls do not panic roll as that depletes your stamina VERY fast. 13:53 I think that was an axe raider by looking at the enemies units when you pressed tab a few seconds before. 15:40 village watchmen XD. I do enjoy watching your battles KnightStalker, a good change of pace from the battles where I train newbies.
Poleaxe's Halberdiers thrust has some brutal bleed and block break, its fun to hit a unit of Greyhairs with it and see all the red numbers pop up. The Poleaxe is overall pretty lethal right now. You want to roll a bit in unit battles generally to the left right and back. Paying attention to a troublesome units abilities can help alot, for example if you see a unit of palace guards activate the crouch and shield bash you can now sweep in and kill them (depending on what unit you have) or if you see grenades explode and a few seconds later you see a unit of shenji's you can then infer that they dont have their grenade toss up to stop you from reaching them. You can apply that in all situations from Hero vs Hero to large scale battles. And a quick reminder that losing units is part of the game, keeping a unit of Palace guard out of a major team push simply because you know you'll most likely lose some models is bad gameplay.
Great comments as always :)
Despite being on YT I'm not used to someone analyzing my play!
@@KnightStalker You probably already know but you play very well, a good team player
at 15:40 you can really see how attires can change how people react, it mainly works with pikes and ranged as they all have similar animations and similar abilities. I can't tell you how many times I've had a heart attack thinking that I got flanked by Walkies or Prefecture pikemen.
Why thank you, I do try my best :)
And yes, pikes are often hard to ID when you're busy multitasking and tracking multiple enemies. I think my mind was more on the cav who kept trying to squish me rather than the pikes
U should have added a THICC counter dude (I think I’ve caught 5 so far?
8 THICC
I have a sickness for the thiccness
@@KnightStalker ooooh…get well soon (the more ya don’t know)
Berserkers are already for fools. That's why I only play the Huskarls because they're really good at killing the Berserkers. Or Prefecture pikemen.
Huskarls are incredibly underrated. Such a good face punching unit!
Yeah I love the palace guards first purp unit and first maxed I did same route on veterancy and today I got so damn lucky I was bored so I made two mauld both came out purp so I tried pike got blue and then got a legendary long sword great day lol 😌
Mauls make great paperweights, or potentially good for putting on top of your rubbish bin to keep critters out of it.
The longsword is your best roll, which is appropriate :)
@@KnightStalker i meant to ask what is the point of imperial knight armor on your player compared to the basic heavy armor and how do I get note if its worth it
It's not worth it, frankly.
Because you cant roll and reroll purple armor schematics dozens of times due to their rarity, you'll never get a set with say, full leadership or any other stat you are hoping to maximise. Added to that the basic guardsmen set bonus is probably better than the imperial knight set bonus.
I think bottom line is pretty much the ONLY way to go with these guys. I remember reading the Unit Guide about them and what stuck with me most is it said "These are not hack-and-slash units, they are defend-to-the-death units". That says their specialty is absorbing punishment, which means the proper way to use them is to make them tanky as all hell.
I'm playing both and I'm not sure. I am finding it hard to make a decision either way!
What it probably comes down to is, if I want a charge infantry unit, there are better ones - but, if I want a damage sponge... these guys are serious contenders!
They also heal while in Formation , pair that with ls heal and doctrine and watch the average range Spammer cry
Immunity to spam. I love it :D
How's your health ?? You and your partner are safe from corona?
We are just fine and have recovered, thanks for asking :)
Vaccinations work!
Are they good
I think they are, yes
THICC
Chonkin'
They nerfed PG's recently shielmaidens beat them now without casualties
Oh nasty. I must have missed the patch notes
@@KnightStalker I red the patchnotes couldn't find anything but they don't feel as strong anymore
Over 2 milion damage taken and 1 milion damage done. Lots of support points. Some hero and unit kills aswell.
Scoreboard: 7th place.
Srlys... wtf.
Ah, the life of a support tank :)
All the work and none of the glory haha!
berserkers deals so much damage to kill the game😂
Myrmillones kill them instantly with the charge :D
lol.. 'Thucc' )))
Gotta love NZ accent.
Fush 'n chups!
Wen LS nerf? They’re obviously OP and getting abused by noob players😂❤️
Never! We shall continue to be buffed unnecessarily forever :D
Wen Pike nerf? They have annoying escape ability and fast CD ult , they also get auto-target in basic atks. Damn, i hate pikes from bottom of my guts.
Yeah they nasty.
Something has to be the top weapon though. Always gonna be a stand out
DUMMY. THICC.
YUSS DUMMY THICC
Myrm.. units are not that good actually 😬
Heresy!
I love them