Someone please tell me why, out of Bruckner's last 3 symphonies (the most highly regarded), the 8th is the least performed. Don't get me wrong, 7 and 9 are good too, but they don't hold a candle to this one.
@@antlereddruid8359 The first three movements are amongst Bruckner's finest works. Better than the 8th easily. And the 7th is Bruckner's best symphony for me.
The last 3 are all magical (I also think 6 impinges on this territory too, a step up from the previous 5 if not quite at the elevated level of the final 3), 7 is just soaring & uplifting beyond words, 8 is giant,heroic,majestic and 9, well 9 just inhabits a World of it's own magic. They're all quite different if unmistakably Bruckner, not sure I can agree that 8 is way above 7 & 9 though.
Saw him conduct the LA Philharmonic about 2 years ago. He walked onstage with a cane and just tossed it to ground and straight away to Mahler Symphony 2.
Metha is the perfect conductor. He was asked about his background. He said that his father was the perfect father for his profession. His father was a conductor. Asked what his mother was, Mehta replied "a conductor of course". It is in the breeding, you see. :)
Was listening to this recording on Spotify. Thought I screwed up my speakers. Why are the trumpets coming from the left of the stage? Now I see why. I've never seen an orchestra configured like this.
For Bruckner symphonies (especially the last 3) this brass configuration is quite common: trumpets on the left, horns (and Wagner tubas) on the right and the low brasses at the centre.
[useless trivia] This excerpt from Bruckner's 8th symphony was used in one of the trailers for the anime series "Licensed by Royalty". The series is not bad, but it is a little muddled by not making a commitment to either a fun, campy "Avengers" (with Steed and Mrs. Peel), or a gritty "Secret Agent Man" atmosphere. At the time, none of the show's fans recognized the music, but found it compelling, nonetheless. [/useless trivia]
Yep. I was there and saw him at the Proms in August 1992 just the night before the Europrom. I have never seen Mehta, but obviously he is more well known than Wand, due to the three tenors concerts in the World Cup.
Could someone tell me what device the trumpet player has mounted to his instrument at 0:45 ? Is it for intonation because parts of the symphony are too loud for him to hear himself properly?
Is it just a Mehta thing to double the tuba part? Those who listen to Uncle Gene’s recordings know the LA Phil Planets recording with Bobo and Tommy Johnson doubling the same part…curious.
"Fraternity" by Thierry Deleruyelle. A Fabulous evocative piece for Brass Band. Eikanger band on UA-cam. Research the mining disaster story behind it. This will enhance your life.
Thanks for the hint that this gadget might be an electronic tuner, although I have never seen the use of such a thing by brass players of orchestras famous or not so famous. By the way the brass section is somewhat inflated: 4 trumpets (3 in the Bruckner score) and 2 tubas (1 in the Bruckner score). I don't think there is a need to overpower the brass section in Bruckner.
This is a little feistier, a little crispier than the Thielemann version! Albeit it lacks a bit of the deep romantic pompousness that the Thielemann version displays.
Well, think about it. Music is auditory, right? When one uses and electronic tuner they are training their eyes rather than their ears. It should not matter whether it is considered "unprofessional" or not. Who cares? What does matter is I believe musicians do themselves a disservice when they overuse an electric tuner.
Never rated Mehta conducting Bruckner. Not a touch on Karajan's last recording of the eighth live, or Wand for that matter. He is pretty poor with Mahler too.
Try Bruckner's Fourth with Mehta conducting LA Philharmonic. Recorded decades ago, but IMO above all Karajan, Solti etc (although both are usually my preferred ones for Bruckner). Bonus: american orchestral sound adds some unusual, nostalgic-movie-like-magic flavour to this music.
Don't get me wrong, Mehta is obviously held as a famous and well-known conductor, but his conducting, as far as it can be seen in this little snippet, is crap. That is not conducting....I wonder they can even play with this, maybe only because they are so common with each other
God daaaaaamn. I paid for my whole seat and only used the edge.
Clever joke 😏
Same 😂
aha, here as well
I’m a bass trombonist and I’ve played this in band before and it’s the definition of how people picture trombone being played!
Love from Sweden
This is how brass is supposed to sound.
Yes. This here is the benchmark
All brass must be at least this good or it goes back in the oven.
Yessss
This is the future liberals want.
@@tiltedsun2786 absolutely
I like listening to Bruckner, ...and so do my neighbours 😁
Mine comes round to complain, or to hear it better.
That is most definitely a “2010” comment
what on earth ois there to dislike about this marvellous performance??
You mean 17?
Now, there're 28. They're enemies of good music or just too critical (I must admit that Celidabiche is the best).
@@lindildeev5721 respectfully disagree, Celibidache just wrings every drop of drama and tension out of the music by playing it woefully slowly..
Probably just sad they don’t get to hear the entire symphony! 😂
Or they are trombone players that somehow think they can do better than Berlin lol
I searched in youtube for "that one Bruckner brass passage". FInally found it!
Is it too loud? Yes. Do I like it? YES.
if the music is too loud, you are too old hahahaha
Brass can never be too loud 😉
Damn right I do
It's not Bruckner if there is still unbroken glass windows after the music ends.
If the brass seems too loud, it's because the rest of the orchestra isn't loud enough.
Someone please tell me why, out of Bruckner's last 3 symphonies (the most highly regarded), the 8th is the least performed. Don't get me wrong, 7 and 9 are good too, but they don't hold a candle to this one.
Maybe for its lenght; this symphony is colossal and occupes an entire schedule, whereas instead a normal schedule includes more than one composition
The 9th lacks a fourth movement. Had it gotten that it would probably have been even better
@@antlereddruid8359 The first three movements are amongst Bruckner's finest works. Better than the 8th easily. And the 7th is Bruckner's best symphony for me.
The last 3 are all magical (I also think 6 impinges on this territory too, a step up from the previous 5 if not quite at the elevated level of the final 3), 7 is just soaring & uplifting beyond words, 8 is giant,heroic,majestic and 9, well 9 just inhabits a World of it's own magic. They're all quite different if unmistakably Bruckner, not sure I can agree that 8 is way above 7 & 9 though.
“Playing the trumpet is the second best thing you can do with your lips” Herb Alpert. 🙏👍☀️🇬🇧☀️🎺🙏
Glad to see he's left room for horn to win 👍😃👍
what a treat this must have been to experience live.
There is no one like Bruckner. It's that simple.
Sometimes, you just have to CRANK it!
Word.
Excited to see Mehta conduct Berlin Phil for Bruckner 8 this year again!
Hey Berliner Philharmoniker, is that Heiko Triebener from Bamberg Symphony Orchestra playing the F tuba alongside with Alexander von Puttkamer?
You're absolutely right, that's Heiko Triebener.
Berliner Philharmoniker
Awesome. Must be like the best tuba setup you can get anywhere. That's why I love you, Berlin Philharmonic! :)
@@berlinphil woaj u replied
I enjoy watching Mehta conduct at times - he puts on quite a show.....
Saw him conduct the LA Philharmonic about 2 years ago. He walked onstage with a cane and just tossed it to ground and straight away to Mahler Symphony 2.
This piece rocks.
Three harps! Goodness!
Excellent rediction by Zubin Metha and the Berliner !
A lot of thanks
Bravo Brass BerlinPhil. Congratulations Sir Zubin Mehta. Greetings from Brazil.
Despite i have an ear damage after hearing this at max Volume i must say it was worth it
Sadly my headphones can’t make this louder… so I used the speaker sound system, the neighbours weren’t very happy with this masterpiece.
Brass blast! Love the 2 tubas....
Sonoridade exata! Perfeito! Bravo Mehta!!
Metha is the perfect conductor. He was asked about his background. He said that his father was the perfect father for his profession. His father was a conductor. Asked what his mother was, Mehta replied "a conductor of course". It is in the breeding, you see. :)
Yes, the power of low brass.
All that practice as a kid payed off!
This is like the Platonic form of a million action movie soundtracks
That is true
The OG Heavy Metal
Gran Musica, Gran Sinfónica, Gracias F Tors.
Was listening to this recording on Spotify. Thought I screwed up my speakers. Why are the trumpets coming from the left of the stage? Now I see why. I've never seen an orchestra configured like this.
For Bruckner symphonies (especially the last 3) this brass configuration is quite common: trumpets on the left, horns (and Wagner tubas) on the right and the low brasses at the centre.
much better than every f*cking mainstream music.
Never could I more agree with you.
Magnificent!
[useless trivia] This excerpt from Bruckner's 8th symphony was used in one of the trailers for the anime series "Licensed by Royalty". The series is not bad, but it is a little muddled by not making a commitment to either a fun, campy "Avengers" (with Steed and Mrs. Peel), or a gritty "Secret Agent Man" atmosphere. At the time, none of the show's fans recognized the music, but found it compelling, nonetheless. [/useless trivia]
This is the brass that signals the second coming, genius Bruckner.
My god this is brilliant
I'm going to do this for my schools Solo and Ensemble!
Yep. I was there and saw him at the Proms in August 1992 just the night before the Europrom. I have never seen Mehta, but obviously he is more well known than Wand, due to the three tenors concerts in the World Cup.
Maravillosa
This is how the Empire was supposed to strike back.
Right! I remember the review in HIGH FIDELITY magazine of the recording.
Zubin looks so badass when he conducts
Could someone tell me what device the trumpet player has mounted to his instrument at 0:45 ? Is it for intonation because parts of the symphony are too loud for him to hear himself properly?
It's a tuner
It's a small screen so he can watch Shrek in case he gets bored.
Is it just a Mehta thing to double the tuba part? Those who listen to Uncle Gene’s recordings know the LA Phil Planets recording with Bobo and Tommy Johnson doubling the same part…curious.
now i know where zimmer got his inspiration for his batman. anyone know any more pieces with huge major brass chords like this?
Listening to the coda, it becomes even more apparent: ua-cam.com/video/uXS-LvrJgdU/v-deo.html
Please someone point me to it if you do. I'd say some of Tchaikovsky's ouevre, dude could go out with a hell of a bang on some of his works.
"Fraternity" by Thierry Deleruyelle. A Fabulous evocative piece for Brass Band. Eikanger band on UA-cam. Research the mining disaster story behind it. This will enhance your life.
ua-cam.com/video/RRAIWVRaTU4/v-deo.html
Mahlers 2 has some good trombones..
Great!
Wait... No Wagner Tubas?
これ聴きに行ったなあ！
僕にいわせれば、たった一言で終わりである。「メータのブルックナーなど聴きに行く方がわるい。」知らなかった、とは言ってほしくない。ブルックナーを愛する者は、そのくらいは知らなくてはだめだ。
Einfach genial
Bruckner is the best
Brazil
僕にいわせれば、たった一言で終わりである。「メータのブルックナーなど聴きに行く方がわるい。」知らなかった、とは言ってほしくない。ブルックナーを愛する者は、そのくらいは知らなくてはだめだ。
00:50 John Williams has entered the chat...
Its not really important but i think he started his recording career with the Bruckner 9th with the Vienna Philharmonic in 1965.
4th movement
Thank you kind stranger from 8 years ago
@@christopher8k lol
I thought that it was a longer than this.
this is an excerpt
🙏🙏🙏
There is no more spectacular opening of ANY movement in ANY symphony by ANY composer. And this performance is flawless( of course- it's Berlin..)
This is the piece with which Mehta started his recording career, and he's still pretty good with it. His Wagner (The Ring) is also good, which fits.
I wonder why there are 2 contrabass tubas?
David simons Because Mehta knows what’s up!
Why not?
Thanks for the hint that this gadget might be an electronic tuner, although I have never seen the use of such a thing by brass players of orchestras famous or not so famous. By the way the brass section is somewhat inflated: 4 trumpets (3 in the Bruckner score) and 2 tubas (1 in the Bruckner score). I don't think there is a need to overpower the brass section in Bruckner.
Yes there definitifely is a need to overpower brass in bruckner 8
it is not possible to overpower a brass section.
Why berliner philharmoniker use 2 tuba?
What is the clamp thing on the trumpet at 0.45 seconds ?
That’s a tuner. Idk y he has one though
@@ryguy2368 Thanks. Life just got wayyyyy too complicated for this guy !!
@@ryguy2368 maybe so he can check his intonation since he can't hear himself all too well
Apocalypse day. The devil invades Earth. He looks to the sky and sees Saint Michael the Archangel with a sword of fire and thinks: oh, shit
i was going to say that!
It looks like an electronic tuner. I might be wrong! haha.
Homeboy with a tuner on his horn 🤣
probably since he can't hear himself over everybody gonna be honest :P
I have same question
I have to admit i prefered it when Thielemann conducted this symphony with the BPO. This is still amazing though
Quite magnificent - Mehta gets an undeservedly bad press in some quarters
Die Tuba ist nicht wirklich gedoppelt, oder?!
Yes, it is doubled. Bruckner only asked for one Kontra-baßtuba
Siegfried, is it you?
What is the electronic (?) gadget on one of the Berlin trumpeters. Look at 0:47 - 0:49
A tuner
It's a small screen so he can watch Shrek in case he gets bored.
did you really need a tuner on your trumpet during the concert??....
Yes, when you can't hear yourself over the trombones
John Williams be like :hmmmm i wanna fight clones
I think that Williams may be inspired by the epicness of this piece imo
Spider-Man theme ?????????
*Thor Hammer intensifies*
yeah, it's a tuner! lol
Batman soundtrack irl
I didn’t know Jeff good like dad was a conductor
Not bad but I'm partial to Gunter Wand's conducting of Bruckner.
This is a little feistier, a little crispier than the Thielemann version! Albeit it lacks a bit of the deep romantic pompousness that the Thielemann version displays.
"Excuse us... Yes thank you, we'll take it from here"
- Some Brassy Bois... Probably.
I do not agree : the version of Thielemann is less vivid as this one!!!
Too bad the rest of the symphony is nowhere near as epic.
What? The first 15 minutes are just as epic. Aswell as the beginning of the second movement.
@@dudel39 I'll check it out. Thanks
The ending of the whole symphony is beyond epic.
Well, think about it. Music is auditory, right? When one uses and electronic tuner they are training their eyes rather than their ears. It should not matter whether it is considered "unprofessional" or not. Who cares? What does matter is I believe musicians do themselves a disservice when they overuse an electric tuner.
probably since he can't hear himself over the whole orchestra
"classical music is boring"
As boring as you...
Never rated Mehta conducting Bruckner. Not a touch on Karajan's last recording of the eighth live, or Wand for that matter. He is pretty poor with Mahler too.
His 1975 recording of the mahler 2 with the VPO is very good though, one of the best if you ask me
Try Bruckner's Fourth with Mehta conducting LA Philharmonic. Recorded decades ago, but IMO above all Karajan, Solti etc (although both are usually my preferred ones for Bruckner). Bonus: american orchestral sound adds some unusual, nostalgic-movie-like-magic flavour to this music.
At least not so unprofessional like playing out of tune...
Don't get me wrong, Mehta is obviously held as a famous and well-known conductor, but his conducting, as far as it can be seen in this little snippet, is crap. That is not conducting....I wonder they can even play with this, maybe only because they are so common with each other
Noone gets you wrong! Ist's just obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.