Oh flaps... how important you are!! *Check other flap failure videos* -- American at JFK -- ua-cam.com/video/ATVYGjkgq2A/v-deo.html -- Sky Travel at Prague -- ua-cam.com/video/5AzhvzvFoyk/v-deo.html -- KLM at Amsterdam -- ua-cam.com/video/E7LW7WEK3sA/v-deo.html
VASAviation almost all airports ground is 121.?. so pilots often just repeat back switching to GROUND point 6. unless the ground is something other than 121. they don't usually say the 121 part.
I see Vancouver airport from my window. Sometimes I tune in to listen to ATC while watching planes land. Wish I caught this one live. Thanks for the video!
@@ljfinger The orbiter has be described by many people as Flying Brick, here's a great video describing how it landed and some of the crazy things that they had to do. ua-cam.com/video/Jb4prVsXkZU/v-deo.html
I don't mind the voiceover. YT suggested it to him a while back to preserve monetization of his videos. They didn't seem to think the significant editing work and radar sync qualified as original content.
It's most likely an Indo-Canadian accent from what I hear. It sounds like he's probably born & raised in Canada with one or both parents having immigrated from India. The founder and CEO of Cargojet is from India as well.
Flaps were always the weak link on the Boeing airplanes, particularly the 757/767 model. Almost everyone I knew that flew the 75/76 had some kind of a flap failure. I had 4 flap events in 8 years on that fleet.
Vernon Smithee it is now, but not normally...non Covid times YVR is 2nd busiest in Canada after Toronto. Everybody has this kind of traffic at the moment..
I'm surprised they can roll the trucks during covid, I couldn't even get a lav clean out today because apparently the feces and urine is now being handled by their hands 🙄🙄🙄
In basic words, it helps the aircraft fly slower. In more depth, they are high lift devices which increase the wing surface creating more lift so that the aircraft can fly slower and not stall (fall).
@@TheHawaiianc Wings are optimized for whatever situation they spend most time in - for airliners, that's high speed flight. The design goal is to have the drag as low as possible for the flight overall. This optimized wing is relatively small, and has a low camber (that is, it's mostly flat, not u-shaped), but it also has a relatively low maximum lift. Thus, the minimum speed without any changes to the wing is high. A flap is a device which increases both lift and drag. The latter is an (mostly) unwanted consequence of the former, but it allows the plane to fly much slower. It does that by both increasing the wing area as well as the camber. Now, of course, you COULD build a wing that's able to provide that lift always, and this would be more efficient at slow speeds, but it would be hugely inefficient for high speeds. Think of a car that has one one gear: you could either optimize for low or high speeds but it would be awful if you drive it at "wrong" speeds. The flaps in this case are your "gearbox", allowing you to have a wing that is capable of high speeds while still having enough lift for low speed landings. Landings without flaps are possible, but they increase the workload for the pilots, and (presumably more importantly) they increase the stress on the airframe, because more energy has to be dissipated after landing. That is more heat in the brakes, more mechanical forces on the gear, ... - and a longer landing distance. Edit: forgot to comment on the Angle of Attack comment/question: lift is a function of the wing geometry, airspeed and air density, and AOA. To a certain extent you can and do indeed vary the AOA to change the lift, however that has it's limits. Above a certain AOA, more AOA actually decreases lift -- that's whats called a stall. Thus, if you need more lift then you can either increase speed (not desirable for landing), or change the wing geometry. Flaps do exactly that.
It's not really a thing that needs to be called an emergency. They were in perfect control of the aircraft and apparently the landing speed was within parameters, even without the flaps. However, it is clear that ATC treated it as an emergency nontheless, in that they afforded him priority handling, non-standard procedures and a precautionary ARFF standby. This is in accordance with FAA (and ICAO) guidelines saying that any ATC may handle any aircraft "as they would an emergency" once they feel like it is warrented. The pilots don't need to "declare" for it to be handled like an emergency.
@@matthewhall5571 Well, both "Pan Pan" and "Mayday" are code words for priority radio messages. If you can communicate what you want without claiming priority over other traffic, you don't *need* to use them, even if this would be a perfectly good reason to do it. But a precautionary standby of ARFF (at most airports this would be an "Air Alert 2", I guess) is certainly not normal operations, yes.
I guess it's "just" more or less a routine task, new calculation and reconfiguration, and choosing a runway with proper length. As a passenger, I don't think I could feel the difference during landing.
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Oh flaps... how important you are!!
*Check other flap failure videos*
-- American at JFK -- ua-cam.com/video/ATVYGjkgq2A/v-deo.html
-- Sky Travel at Prague -- ua-cam.com/video/5AzhvzvFoyk/v-deo.html
-- KLM at Amsterdam -- ua-cam.com/video/E7LW7WEK3sA/v-deo.html
Seems as brakes had bad hot day. Nice handled by crew.
Wasn't there an Aer Lingus one as well?
The American one at JFK is a classic!
VASAviation almost all airports ground is 121.?. so pilots often just repeat back switching to GROUND point 6. unless the ground is something other than 121. they don't usually say the 121 part.
Flight crew to ground crew: Yeah fill it up and tell us about your "Buy 7 main gear tires, get the 8th main gear tire for free deal.".
I see Vancouver airport from my window. Sometimes I tune in to listen to ATC while watching planes land. Wish I caught this one live. Thanks for the video!
Next time!
Gator experience?👀
I hope you use flightradar24!
@@rulinghabs Absolutely! Flightradar24 + LiveATC + looking out the window
If I'm not mistaken, the wings aren't supposed to flap at all...
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I'll show myself out.
Yes... You will.
Take my like and leave. You god damn villain
180 knots at touchdown!? That must be scary
Not as scary as those hot air balloons going 400 knots in fsx
@ruu blog it
Space Shuttle was around 195 knots at touch down, with slight dependence on weight. Ouch.
@@abrahamsalamah5773 Tower buzzing hot air balloon
@@ljfinger The orbiter has be described by many people as Flying Brick, here's a great video describing how it landed and some of the crazy things that they had to do. ua-cam.com/video/Jb4prVsXkZU/v-deo.html
Always cool to see my home airport on VAS😁
I appreciate the intro without voice over. Good video!
I don't mind the voiceover. YT suggested it to him a while back to preserve monetization of his videos. They didn't seem to think the significant editing work and radar sync qualified as original content.
Damn that is some crisp audio!
I wonder if Ground could sound more bored. Proceed via D to the apron.
I work for cargojet. I literally was servicing this exact aircraft today. Crazy to think
Is the pilot communicating Canadian or Minnesotan? I half expected a 'dontcha know' to come over the radio at some point.
Yes
Southern MB or SK, rural especially = Fargo accent :)
It's most likely an Indo-Canadian accent from what I hear. It sounds like he's probably born & raised in Canada with one or both parents having immigrated from India. The founder and CEO of Cargojet is from India as well.
He was aboot to say that.
X-Plane and the Flight Factor B75? Very nice.
Flaps were always the weak link on the Boeing airplanes, particularly the 757/767 model. Almost everyone I knew that flew the 75/76 had some kind of a flap failure. I had 4 flap events in 8 years on that fleet.
No flap November
I find it a little sus that this video is on CJ926, which was in the last video where 920 had the yaw issue.
I deal with Cargo Jet a lot. They gave me a tour of their hanger which they share with Air Canada.
I miss seeing the 727 departing EWR in the morning each day
VASaviation gangsta till he covers all the aviation crashes and doesn’t have anything to upload
Lol jk
Nice channel my brother!
Thanks
Excellent graphics again. Tnx!
Just curious, but was the reason they wanted the trucks to follow them to the apron, in case brakes or tires were overheated?
Yep
Tower never cleared them to land?
Beat me to it. I thought the same. Was not cleared to land.
Think there was a radio call that was missed in the recording, there was at least one where we only heard the readback from the aircraft.
I like the voice of Jazz 108.
I really like the new 3D aircraft animations that you have added the to videos, makes it much more enjoyable to watch.
Glad you like it
Was that a master alarm I heard at 2:35?
No
Ah, a flapless bird.
So aside from needing more distance to brake, what else should a pilot be watching for on a fast landing like this?
Brake temperature, landing gear collapse or tire burst
Hot brakes, tire fires/blowouts
“We’re going to Gate 13 today” should read “We’re going to Apron 8 today”
With that landing speed, "Now arriving at gate 13, 14, 15, 17, 19, 22..."
No Flapping.. not video I was expecting
Judging by the lack of activity, that's a severely under utilized airfield.
It's a lot quieter without all the US flights
Vernon Smithee it is now, but not normally...non Covid times YVR is 2nd busiest in Canada after Toronto. Everybody has this kind of traffic at the moment..
Didn't either one of you find it strange that 757 was the only object that was moving? Canada would seem to be a very peculiar place.
It's funny to see the Departures/Arrivals screens at YVR right now. Only ever a few flights listed, it's bizarre.
@@Sky_Shaymin Has "the rapture" happened there? Were there reports of scores of people floating skyward? Someone should look into this.
I'm surprised they can roll the trucks during covid, I couldn't even get a lav clean out today because apparently the feces and urine is now being handled by their hands 🙄🙄🙄
Its always the jackscrew.
What is 'apron'? Is it the gate?
Roughly speaking "plane parking spot". Not an actual gate. A Cargo flight doesn't need to offload a bunch of passengers
@@randomactpg57 Thank you :)
CYVR yeaaaaaaaaaa. But the comms are soooo Canadian.
No flaps? Definitely worthy of a PAN PAN . . . Don’t try to be heroes, buys.
Remind me why we have flaps agin? Is it fly at low speeds? Or is it help be more stable to land? to me it makes it harder on pilots...
A flap is a high-lift device used to reduce the stalling speed of an aircraft wing at a given weight.
In basic words, it helps the aircraft fly slower. In more depth, they are high lift devices which increase the wing surface creating more lift so that the aircraft can fly slower and not stall (fall).
@@VASAviation ok that what i thought i just was thinking it was to change angle of attack for that reason huh
@@TheHawaiianc Wings are optimized for whatever situation they spend most time in - for airliners, that's high speed flight. The design goal is to have the drag as low as possible for the flight overall.
This optimized wing is relatively small, and has a low camber (that is, it's mostly flat, not u-shaped), but it also has a relatively low maximum lift. Thus, the minimum speed without any changes to the wing is high.
A flap is a device which increases both lift and drag. The latter is an (mostly) unwanted consequence of the former, but it allows the plane to fly much slower. It does that by both increasing the wing area as well as the camber. Now, of course, you COULD build a wing that's able to provide that lift always, and this would be more efficient at slow speeds, but it would be hugely inefficient for high speeds. Think of a car that has one one gear: you could either optimize for low or high speeds but it would be awful if you drive it at "wrong" speeds. The flaps in this case are your "gearbox", allowing you to have a wing that is capable of high speeds while still having enough lift for low speed landings.
Landings without flaps are possible, but they increase the workload for the pilots, and (presumably more importantly) they increase the stress on the airframe, because more energy has to be dissipated after landing. That is more heat in the brakes, more mechanical forces on the gear, ... - and a longer landing distance.
Edit: forgot to comment on the Angle of Attack comment/question: lift is a function of the wing geometry, airspeed and air density, and AOA. To a certain extent you can and do indeed vary the AOA to change the lift, however that has it's limits. Above a certain AOA, more AOA actually decreases lift -- that's whats called a stall. Thus, if you need more lift then you can either increase speed (not desirable for landing), or change the wing geometry. Flaps do exactly that.
@@Uddysseus Great explanation!
4:45 “Cargoejt” lol mistakes happen to the best of us am I right
Dutch Cargojet lol
👍👍👍
Would have though it would have been declared an emergency ?
It's not really a thing that needs to be called an emergency. They were in perfect control of the aircraft and apparently the landing speed was within parameters, even without the flaps.
However, it is clear that ATC treated it as an emergency nontheless, in that they afforded him priority handling, non-standard procedures and a precautionary ARFF standby. This is in accordance with FAA (and ICAO) guidelines saying that any ATC may handle any aircraft "as they would an emergency" once they feel like it is warrented. The pilots don't need to "declare" for it to be handled like an emergency.
QemeH the pilots did tell ATC to roll the trucks in case the brakes overheated. That's gotta be a regarded as a PAN at the very minimum.
@@matthewhall5571 Well, both "Pan Pan" and "Mayday" are code words for priority radio messages. If you can communicate what you want without claiming priority over other traffic, you don't *need* to use them, even if this would be a perfectly good reason to do it.
But a precautionary standby of ARFF (at most airports this would be an "Air Alert 2", I guess) is certainly not normal operations, yes.
Not quite, it’s something we train for regularly , just going to come in quite a bit faster with a slightly shallower sight picture.
I guess it's "just" more or less a routine task, new calculation and reconfiguration, and choosing a runway with proper length.
As a passenger, I don't think I could feel the difference during landing.
I once had a no fap for like 2 weeks
Wanna hear my way to call a vertical stabilizer?👇
*Staby Staberino*.
Cargojet fiiive, uhh 926 lol
No fap
A nofap landing ?
Twelveteenth
No flap no fap 👌🏽
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3 months ago? 😂
@@MSRTA_Productions omg that's crazy
Great job, mate
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