Эта балерина просто уникальна,,,самая талантливая во всех отношениях балетных требований и сверх того ,,она не пустая внутри ,она великолепная актриса,,,,Самая ,самая за последние 100 лет ,,ДА,ДА ,,,!!!!!💖💖💖💖
Когда хочется глоток нежности и чистоты , искренности и любви , я пересматриваю "Болеро". В нашем непростом , лживом и грязном мире осталось ИСТИННОЕ искусство . Наталья - это как глоток чистого , легкого , непорочного воздуха .... Но эта легкость - тяжелейший, ежедневный труд . Роман - это сгусток мужской энергии, менно в этом танце был "невидимой"опорой . В этой точке мира сошлось ВСЁ- гениальная музыка , из шедевреального фильма , голос талантливой Елены Камбуровой, легкость полёта Натальи и крепкие руки Романа . БРАВО !!!!!
Друзья, попробуйте понять для себя откуда "мурашки" по коже прямо от спинного мозга. И вы поймете: в первую очередь это музыка. Потом проникновенные слова песни в изумительном исполнении. Наталья Осипова-красивейшая женщина и великолепная балерина. Танец? Простите меня, еще раз пересмотрю. Роман старался
Всю первую часть мурахи бегали по мне, ну а потом я просто погрузилась в танец, кайф спасибо ребятам! И ещё когда вышел Роман вслед за Партнёршей это были первые мурашки, он такой обалденный
@Bnesque Choreographers know that, they are present at the performances and hear everything that judges say. And now they are also beginning to show some choreographers together with the performers. Plus, it's also a competition among two teams - the Moscow team and the St. Petersburg team. The Moscow team is lead by Averbukh, and the St. Petersburg team is lead by Farukh Ruzimatov - they direct the dances, so it's a competition of stagings as well.
@Bnesque But that's the problem - Kostomarov has not been given enough choreography so far - unlike Marinin and Yagudin. And you're wrong saying that it's not a choreography competition. Judges are judging also the choreography in the technical (and also artistic) mark, and have said so several times. Points have been taken off the technical mark exactly because of the choreography on several occasions (Obrazcova/Staviski the first dance, both Tikhonov and Vanagas the last time, for example).
@Bnesque I know very well that it's about artistry, not technique. I wasn't prohibited to mention artistry, was I? I agree about Tchernishev. He definitely has the potential - but will it be fully realized? That depends on choreographers a lot.
@Bnesque Robbed? Just because one of the judges gave them a 9!!?? Moskvina gave them this 9, because she thought there was too little Kostomarov in this dance. Although in this case it was justified because of the story in the dance, there has been too little of Kostomarov in all of their dances so far - Osipova, great as she is, overshadows him completely. And even when he is given a bit more choreography, he is just not good enough to be a more or less equal partner to her.
@Bnesque It's about the judging system as a whole, not about Marinin an Yagudin. The judges are judging the figure skaters as skaters who are trying to dance modern choreography, not as real dancers, which means that they are given allowances. As for Marinin, I don't think he was off the beat "all the time'', just on some separate moments. His positions - that's choreography as the famous Ukrainian choreogrpaher Radu Poklitaru does it - a lot of people don't like it, a lot of people do.
@Bnesque Unfortunately, it's too late for that, as the whole show was already filmed. The viewers can only try to change things for the future shows - and, believe me, a lot of people have already tried to do that (both during the previous shows and now) by writing on the 1st channels forum and, sometimes, even writing direct mails to the organizers. But it doesn't look like any of that has been taken into account so far, although Averbukh says that he is reading the forum.
@Bnesque You're quite right, but go tell this to the judges and the organizers of the show. As a I wrote before, Arbuzova and Tikhonov got lower marks for technique in the third round, because, as Vasiliev (the chairman of the jury) said - the choreography didn't allow them to show their technical abilities. And they are not the only ones.
@Bnesque Seeing that it's not the case with Marinin and Yagudin, I think it's pretty fair that Osipova/Kostomarov got a bit less than them. Even Tchernishev was more convincing than Kostomarov - both as a dancer and also emotionally (imho). True, Kostomarov does those lifts very well, but it's natural for an ice dancer (or a pair skater). And so do they all - but it's not enough in such a project. Also, Kostomarov really is quite similar in all his dances.
@Bnesque Of course, it can't be a real choreography competition, because choreographers are many and some of them may do just one dance, while others do several. It wouldn't be a fair competition. But, at the same time, that's how it's been also in the previous projects (both on ice and on the floor) - if judges didn't like something in the choreography or "staging", it was reflected in their marks. And so it is now.
@boguswoman81 First of all this is not a choreography competition, this is a dancing competition. It's very difficult dissect dancers' ability and choreography, many times they depend on each other. But I think judges have the onus to estimate dancers' techinical aspect in the given choreography. Because dancers only can do things in given limitation and in these competition type of circumustance choreographers tend to hide weaker dancer that means lesser movement.
@Bnesque In those lyrical contemporary types of choreography you don't have to have extremly accurate position, but still you need to use your foot arch or turn out to stabilize your a la second positon for example.
@boguswoman81 Now they also beginning to show some choreographers together is a nice progress for their format. And I know the outline of this show. Especially you don't have to explain me about Faroukh.
@boguswoman81 I think I already told the diificulty for the judges to separate dancers from choreography. And these judges are very ambivalent about in this criteria. But the primal stance of this show was a dance competition which I understood from their news source. Then judges should judge how things were executed technically and artistically. If this was dancing/choreoraphy competition as you said they should show choreographers with dancers and give them direct feed back.
@Bnesque Yagudin - he's choreography was complicated as it was, even without the perfect toe pointing. Besides, it was a comic parody on tango, not a real tango. I agree that they both shouldn't have been given perfect 10s. But then also Kostomarov should have gotten at least 9 (if not less) from all judges for reasons mentioned before.
@boguswoman81 Yes everyone can talk freely about artistry. Yes, it does regarding Tchernishev. But judges should be very very careful about technicality that needed in specific genre of choreography.
@boguswoman81 Of course Kostomarov was stiff, too. He at least has great upper body posture which never was broken when he lift his partner and comparatively solid steps. imho, Tchernishev is the best potential to be a dancer. He has rather graceful lines and movement and nice musicality. If you talk about the devotion into the character it belongs to the artistry not techinicality.
@boguswoman81 Again I try to be constructive. In Yagudin's case, comic parody on tango, so pointing his toes did not matter. It's more of accuracy of grounding steps. If his timing of bending and streching of his knees would be more accurate and clear, this could be a fabulous parody.
@boguswoman81 I pinpointed them because their names were mentioned. And I did not see them in th standard that I have for dancers. I'm going to say is not to offend Marinin I try to be constructive, I wish them to improve. Generally when a coreographer made intentionally off beat routine we can feel polyrhythm from the dancers. But I just feel flat 1,2,3,4,5 type of count from him. So I said he was off beat against his will.
@boguswoman81 Judging choreography in the artistic department is a bit proper, but in technical department along with dancers is not proper. Because technicality of choreographer resides in the way how they handle the concept, music, narrative, and structure. On the other hand for the dancers it's about their execution of certain technical elements like turns or jumps or lifts or every steps in between.
@boguswoman81 Then I'll continue to whine. Sometimes it's felt nice to be a whiner than to be silent. Hopefully they continue to show Smekalov more, because for me all his movements while teaching are joy to watch. Anyway thanks for your advice!
@boguswoman81 For me more problematic point is they gave Marinin and Yagudin a perfect tecnical point. Most of the male performer are too stiif to sa they are dancing. Marinin was off the beat all the time and all of his positions were awkward. Yagudin did comparatively good in hip hop-ish choreography because hip hop is all about "hard hitting" beat and "bounce and rebound". But in this week's tango-ish step oriented choreography his innacurate tip toeing foot are embarassing.
Эта балерина просто уникальна,,,самая талантливая во всех отношениях балетных требований и сверх того ,,она не пустая внутри ,она великолепная актриса,,,,Самая ,самая за последние 100 лет ,,ДА,ДА ,,,!!!!!💖💖💖💖
Когда хочется глоток нежности и чистоты , искренности и любви , я пересматриваю "Болеро". В нашем непростом , лживом и грязном мире осталось ИСТИННОЕ искусство . Наталья - это как глоток чистого , легкого , непорочного воздуха .... Но эта легкость - тяжелейший, ежедневный труд . Роман - это сгусток мужской энергии, менно в этом танце был "невидимой"опорой . В этой точке мира сошлось ВСЁ- гениальная музыка , из шедевреального фильма , голос талантливой Елены Камбуровой, легкость полёта Натальи и крепкие руки Романа . БРАВО !!!!!
А насколько хорош Роман Костомаров!!! Талантище!!!
За счёт платья и мастерства Натальи, иллюзия полного парения. Очень красиво.
Этого уже не скрыть, она - Богиня 😍
Наташа неземное создание!
Это ШЕДЕВР!!!!❤️
Браво!!!!!!!!!!! Это нечто!!!!!!!!
Только Осипова Наталья может актёрски божественно исполнить гениальную Камбурову !!!!!
Классный номер
Какая же это красота
Очень нравятся ребята.Начала плакать заранее
уникальна
Наталія- ви балерина,митчиня,дякую.
Наташа!!!!!!))
Love this !
Осипова летает и без партнера. Она ведущая!
Друзья, попробуйте понять для себя откуда "мурашки" по коже прямо от спинного мозга. И вы поймете: в первую очередь это музыка. Потом проникновенные слова песни в изумительном исполнении. Наталья Осипова-красивейшая женщина и великолепная балерина. Танец? Простите меня, еще раз пересмотрю. Роман старался
Всю первую часть мурахи бегали по мне, ну а потом я просто погрузилась в танец, кайф спасибо ребятам! И ещё когда вышел Роман вслед за Партнёршей это были первые мурашки, он такой обалденный
Она - гений!..
@Bnesque Choreographers know that, they are present at the performances and hear everything that judges say. And now they are also beginning to show some choreographers together with the performers. Plus, it's also a competition among two teams - the Moscow team and the St. Petersburg team. The Moscow team is lead by Averbukh, and the St. Petersburg team is lead by Farukh Ruzimatov - they direct the dances, so it's a competition of stagings as well.
@Bnesque That's why in most cases Averbukh and Ruzimatov are shown together with the dancers after the dances.
@Bnesque But that's the problem - Kostomarov has not been given enough choreography so far - unlike Marinin and Yagudin. And you're wrong saying that it's not a choreography competition. Judges are judging also the choreography in the technical (and also artistic) mark, and have said so several times. Points have been taken off the technical mark exactly because of the choreography on several occasions (Obrazcova/Staviski the first dance, both Tikhonov and Vanagas the last time, for example).
@Bnesque I know very well that it's about artistry, not technique. I wasn't prohibited to mention artistry, was I? I agree about Tchernishev. He definitely has the potential - but will it be fully realized? That depends on choreographers a lot.
@Bnesque Robbed? Just because one of the judges gave them a 9!!?? Moskvina gave them this 9, because she thought there was too little Kostomarov in this dance. Although in this case it was justified because of the story in the dance, there has been too little of Kostomarov in all of their dances so far - Osipova, great as she is, overshadows him completely. And even when he is given a bit more choreography, he is just not good enough to be a more or less equal partner to her.
Если бы поставить Осипову на коньки, они бы четыре Олимпиады выиграли
@Bnesque It's about the judging system as a whole, not about Marinin an Yagudin. The judges are judging the figure skaters as skaters who are trying to dance modern choreography, not as real dancers, which means that they are given allowances. As for Marinin, I don't think he was off the beat "all the time'', just on some separate moments. His positions - that's choreography as the famous Ukrainian choreogrpaher Radu Poklitaru does it - a lot of people don't like it, a lot of people do.
I can see why Osipova felt she had to leave the Bolshoi...
@Bnesque Unfortunately, it's too late for that, as the whole show was already filmed. The viewers can only try to change things for the future shows - and, believe me, a lot of people have already tried to do that (both during the previous shows and now) by writing on the 1st channels forum and, sometimes, even writing direct mails to the organizers. But it doesn't look like any of that has been taken into account so far, although Averbukh says that he is reading the forum.
@Bnesque You're quite right, but go tell this to the judges and the organizers of the show. As a I wrote before, Arbuzova and Tikhonov got lower marks for technique in the third round, because, as Vasiliev (the chairman of the jury) said - the choreography didn't allow them to show their technical abilities. And they are not the only ones.
@Bnesque Seeing that it's not the case with Marinin and Yagudin, I think it's pretty fair that Osipova/Kostomarov got a bit less than them. Even Tchernishev was more convincing than Kostomarov - both as a dancer and also emotionally (imho). True, Kostomarov does those lifts very well, but it's natural for an ice dancer (or a pair skater). And so do they all - but it's not enough in such a project. Also, Kostomarov really is quite similar in all his dances.
@Bnesque Of course, it can't be a real choreography competition, because choreographers are many and some of them may do just one dance, while others do several. It wouldn't be a fair competition. But, at the same time, that's how it's been also in the previous projects (both on ice and on the floor) - if judges didn't like something in the choreography or "staging", it was reflected in their marks. And so it is now.
@boguswoman81 First of all this is not a choreography competition, this is a dancing competition. It's very difficult dissect dancers' ability and choreography, many times they depend on each other. But I think judges have the onus to estimate dancers' techinical aspect in the given choreography. Because dancers only can do things in given limitation and in these competition type of circumustance choreographers tend to hide weaker dancer that means lesser movement.
@Bnesque In those lyrical contemporary types of choreography you don't have to have extremly accurate position, but still you need to use your foot arch or turn out to stabilize your a la second positon for example.
хореограф Вячеслав Кулаев
Браво
@boguswoman81 Now they also beginning to show some choreographers together is a nice progress for their format. And I know the outline of this show. Especially you don't have to explain me about Faroukh.
@boguswoman81 I think I already told the diificulty for the judges to separate dancers from choreography. And these judges are very ambivalent about in this criteria. But the primal stance of this show was a dance competition which I understood from their news source. Then judges should judge how things were executed technically and artistically. If this was dancing/choreoraphy competition as you said they should show choreographers with dancers and give them direct feed back.
@Bnesque Yagudin - he's choreography was complicated as it was, even without the perfect toe pointing. Besides, it was a comic parody on tango, not a real tango. I agree that they both shouldn't have been given perfect 10s. But then also Kostomarov should have gotten at least 9 (if not less) from all judges for reasons mentioned before.
@boguswoman81 Yes everyone can talk freely about artistry. Yes, it does regarding Tchernishev. But judges should be very very careful about technicality that needed in specific genre of choreography.
@boguswoman81 Of course Kostomarov was stiff, too. He at least has great upper body posture which never was broken when he lift his partner and comparatively solid steps. imho, Tchernishev is the best potential to be a dancer. He has rather graceful lines and movement and nice musicality. If you talk about the devotion into the character it belongs to the artistry not techinicality.
@boguswoman81 Again I try to be constructive. In Yagudin's case, comic parody on tango, so pointing his toes did not matter. It's more of accuracy of grounding steps. If his timing of bending and streching of his knees would be more accurate and clear, this could be a fabulous parody.
@boguswoman81 I pinpointed them because their names were mentioned. And I did not see them in th standard that I have for dancers. I'm going to say is not to offend Marinin I try to be constructive, I wish them to improve. Generally when a coreographer made intentionally off beat routine we can feel polyrhythm from the dancers. But I just feel flat 1,2,3,4,5 type of count from him. So I said he was off beat against his will.
@boguswoman81 Judging choreography in the artistic department is a bit proper, but in technical department along with dancers is not proper. Because technicality of choreographer resides in the way how they handle the concept, music, narrative, and structure. On the other hand for the dancers it's about their execution of certain technical elements like turns or jumps or lifts or every steps in between.
@boguswoman81 Then I'll continue to whine. Sometimes it's felt nice to be a whiner than to be silent. Hopefully they continue to show Smekalov more, because for me all his movements while teaching are joy to watch.
Anyway thanks for your advice!
@boguswoman81 For me more problematic point is they gave Marinin and Yagudin a perfect tecnical point. Most of the male performer are too stiif to sa they are dancing. Marinin was off the beat all the time and all of his positions were awkward. Yagudin did comparatively good in hip hop-ish choreography because hip hop is all about "hard hitting" beat and "bounce and rebound". But in this week's tango-ish step oriented choreography his innacurate tip toeing foot are embarassing.
@boguswoman81 Well I'll try!
Маринин пластичнее