Honestly I used to think Reinhardt cleared but, after a weaker goku literally outscaling an actual gag character ( arale) whose powers still work in his direct verse and hakai being able to actual kill characters who don’t even follow such conventional or conceptual existences.( the ghost beerus killed is a gag character) I relished dbz was just made to make absolutely no sense.
Bro this is just wrong he can’t just make divine protection to beat anyone. There’s a character who’s gonna appear in season 3 who’s gonna showcase this. And he can’t grow to universe busting power without proof. This is the Saitama argument but infinitely less true.
Nah I know there are exceptions and specific charas he is a very bad matchup against. But unless we know the true limit of od lagna he is just very hard to scale. In this video I entertained the thought that Od Lagna could interfere with dragon ball and wank reinhard to hell and back. But I'm totally on board with placing him much lower too. The simple fact is he is a pain in the ass to scale 😂
@@lightfalldark3616 Fair fair but I do always make these videos with the mindset of not focussing on the speed thingie man. If you use the argument of "goku speed blitses them instantly" every time then no one would be able to have the slightest of chances... Honestly its kinda boring imo. But i mainly make these videos for fun and allowing for discussions
@@ijudgeanime you're right about the speed blitz, even tho I still think it's very relevant for your arguments. + DB cosmology is easily 5D and I don't think reihn can clear that when he barely has a moon feat. Said so he has very powerful hax so it's very easy to fall in the no limit fallacy here and hard to scale. Imo he can reach 4D via his Hax but anything above that seems unrealistic to me
@@lightfalldark3616 Yeah no you are right, not trying to downplay you or anything. I am just very transparent thet I tend to only use the speedblitz argument when I really just dont see a way around it like for example Yujiro or Voldemort on who I have done videos like these ones. I actually really appreciate people calling out the things I missed/did not cover fully! Keeps the discussions going
There’s a problem with higher powers though. If someone like Freeza decides to 1 shot him, he wouldn’t be able to react to wish for more power. Even if the power source he draws from can allow him him to surpass Dragon Ball, he’s never faced a comparable strength enemy and isn’t prepared.
Even if he isn't prepared, he could just resurrect himself (because yeah he can just do that) then ask for a Divine Protection that would help him prevent whatever caused him to die.
@@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264 Okay well I didn’t consider that lol. That only leaves the source of his power. Can it make him stronger than a dragonball character? If yes, then he’s unstoppable.
Things like physical nulification or immunity always made me think that rather then being immune to be hurt by that, its more of a resistance like...lets say that an anime character has immunity to fire because we tossed him in lava and he didnt die...does that mean he would survive a dive into the suns core? There is always a limit to these sources of power
> DB fans refuse to accept even the possible notion that Dragon Ball isn’t the only strong verse Very true hahaha! I will say, as a fan of Re:Zero, I don’t think Reinhard can just wish for a new Protection that easily, and personally he’s probably gonna get blitzed? If he can though, then that’s similar to Pre-Crisis Superman just… making up new powers. Still though, I will say that, like for Altair, Reinhard’s too hard to rate in these type of things without going on a no-limits fallacy. Because if we went all in on this logic, then we’d have to apply the same thing to someone like Gilgamesh, who has ALL infinite Noble Phantasms, and there’s way more powers and weapons with hax just as crazy as Reinhard’s that we don’t know about. Or, if we apply this no limit thing to Dragon Ball, then Grand Priest or Whis might also have no limit to their abilities. They’re literally just plot devices, like Whis casually rewinding time like its nothing. Heck, you can apply it to Super Shenron. Wish for *literally* anything? That’s wild. Literal playground rules haha! But yeah, at the end of the day, I would personally place Reinhard in a separate category similar to Altair, basically unknown. If we only take purely on screen feats and statements, then sadly Reinhard’s only lasting to maybe Saiyan Saga, dude will get blitzed. Fun video! Love to see the Reinhard and Re:Zero rep.
I don't believe that his protection can go to that extent. It's like saying friza black 1 shots no diff any verse because we didn't see his full strength
but what if the divine protection weaker than DBZ what if goku or vegeta outscale Od Lagna will rainhard be immune to their attacks ? your telling me that plantry LEVEL would defeat a multiversal level ?
This my friends is a classic example of a no limits fallacy. I respect trying to find stronger verses but this aint the way to do it. Using an appeal to ignorance as a means of justifying Reinharts strength is a bad argument. Fun thought though.
Yeah I can see where you are coming from. I knew beforehand that doing a video on a character like him would probably not satisfy any of the two sides, but people wanted to see him so I decided to do it anyway. After doing a couple of these videos I have come to realise that Dragon Ball is kinda too strong... Most of the characters that would technically "stand a chance" also coincidentally fit in with the no limits falacy crowd lol. Bu then again what do you expect when you try to put people against a verse like Dragon Ball. Best we can do is have some fun with it.
Hey yo to every body who sees this comment I’m pretty sure re zeros scaling is gonna get higher at some point there’s on small detail I often think about which is Sattelas feat of grabbing Subaru from earth. It was stated in the interlude between Arc2 and 3 that the stars in the sky are different than earths so that is either A:Satella has Extradimensional range B:Satella grabbed Subaru from somewhere millions of light years away from earth so Satellas range/speed feat C:If it’s a different universe than that means multiversal range(obviously super highball)
It's not a highball though? Great magic users like Echidna Roswaal and Beatrice can access/create their own personal dimensions which are basically entire pocket universes Od Laguna is ATLEAST low 2C aka mutliversal due to already shown feats and Reinhard Directly scales to it
I think if some one scale higher than Re:zero Cosmology ,they can just bypass The divine protection (He recive those divine protectiom not created it after all) But the concept of his ability have no limit is pretty interesting to think about tho
I think that the limits he has are the limits of the one who gives him power on a technical basics ( but I don't think this is of real help since I don't think the writer actually put any limitations), but if you attack him and kill him faster than he can communicate to get a new protection the you should be able to kill him and if you attack him with something he doesn't understand then he shouldn't be able to ask for a protection that's perfect to protect him, although I don't think you need to go that far since he has only a 80% magic resistance then unless is state that he only ask for that, then there's a clear indicator of limitations, there for I don't think it will go all the way to zeon o sama ( don't know if it's written that way)
And I'm not trying to down play what was stated it's just that I think of powers and power scaling on a greater level like universal for some stuff I like to do and I think that that gave that perspective but I do think it would go further that I originally thought and if he goes with the main cast and not against the I think that the first real problem would be Beerus and the power to erase things from existence but it would only be a problem if he makes things worse in the first encounter
Obviously there HAS to be a limit to how much protection he can gain, if there wasn't then what is stopping Reinhard from becoming stronger than gods in Re:Zero? Heck what would stop Reinhard from becoming stronger than the Legendary Divine Dragon? As for DBZ characters most of them are stronger than gods and have been to be able to make holes through reality and destroy planets. My main point is that even through we don't fully know the limits of Reinhard's Divine Protection, if we don't put a cap to his power then he could potentially become impossibly strong even for his own universe. If we don't put a limit to how many things he could pull out of his ass then we could potentially get something ridiculous like: Divine Protection for Planetary Destruction or a Divine Protection for Universal Destruction. What's next? Divine Protection for breathing in space? Divine Protection for radiation? Divine Protection for smelling a little funny?
Now I'm thinking about Ajimu Najimi or Medaka Kurokami vs Reinhart, now wouldn't that be a bitch to look into lol~ (Kumagawa Misogi vs Dragon Ball pwease)
I haven't watched the video yet, but from what I know of this guy, its going to be a situation of needing to sweep Dragon Ball's hack overpowering under the rug, so that Reinhard can actually get anywhere (which I get. I stand by the fact that overpowering hacks with shear power is one of the most busted hacks in fiction, as it basically turns 99% of characters off outright.). But lets see how it goes. Putting a "hackless" Reinhard at Frieza is being really generous. Unless Re:Zero power scaling skyrockets after the point I'm at, they would be a legitimately chance they he would lose to Goku's first Ozaru transformation (I would still give it to Reinhard due to being a masster swordsman, and being able to cut off the tail.). But in shear power, that first Ozaru Goku would be a legit threat, in shear power at least. Again, I understand going for the high ball for the sake of argument, but I'm still going to point this out. Just because something hasn't shown a limit, doesn't mean it has no limits. Assuming it has no limits is a no limits (or appeal to probability, more accurately) logical fallacy. IE, I don't think its going to be a controversial thing, to say that immunity to ranged attacks in a medieval world where they have arrows being flung around, is going to be a little different than having projectile immunity in a world where someone could eradicate a universe casually with their projectile. I'm not saying that its wrong to assume that they could function at a level higher than what is shown (if they aren't shown to be pushing themselves to accomplish the feat.), however there is a happy medium between saying "this is what he has shown, so that is 100% a hard limit" and "he hasn't shown a limit, therefore he has no limits period." That is kind of a weird point to me. "there are some characters like Reinhard who can shit on every universe due to the nature of their abilities." I mean, why is that stance ok for a character like Reinhard, but not ok for DB characters? The nature of Dragon Ball characters, is that they overpower hacks with shear power, which is a direct counter to the previously mentioned characters who shit on every universe due to the nature of said abilities. Combine that with the fact that DB characters are just ridiculously powerful in a general power scaling sense, and you have characters that "can shit on every universe due to the nature of their abilities." I don't mean to say this in any sort of insulting way, I'm just saying what it seems like to me, but it kind of feels like a situation of liking another power system better, so giving that power system preferential treatment. I'm sure that isn't actually the intent, and again I'm not trying to be a dick, but it does feel like a situation of "characters in group A are allowed to use their abilities to be ridiculously overpowered in any universe they are in, but you are stupid for trying to allow those characters in group B to use their abilities to be ridiculously overpowered in any universe they are in" I don't know if my rambling actually got the point I was trying to make across, but this paragraph is already long, so I'll leave it at that. Side note, my pre watch first paragraph seems to be right on the money.
@@JustSomeGuy9 If you design a character with no ceiling they can simultaniously clear anything and lose to anything. As soon as you move anime verses its free game lmao
@@JustSomeGuy9 Honestly because we straight up know more about their limits. In the case of Reinhard (at least to the extent of my knowledge) Their is no hard ceiling on how many abilities he can have, what types of abilities he can have, etc. Saitama is currently going into a galaxy level fight if I remember correctly and Superman gets buff every now and then when the writers milked the previous one dry. But Reinhard has no tangible ceiling as of yet. But I dont fault people who say saitama and superman have no limits either tbh. Perfectly reasonable assumption to make
@@ijudgeanime a common mistake but we do in fact have a limit to what kind of abilitys reinhard can get Tappei himself claimed that something like sleep or ageing is too much for him and Reinhard himself said that he can't get divine protections that don't exist, after all he only has a 80% resistance to magic not immunity.
It only fair if we count Anime feats only since his Full feats will destroy the DB verse pretty easy(Atleast At this point) If we use his full feats I think we should use the xenoverse instead of Canon DB
@@nguyenlightduy7020 Like anos did this In s2 ep 21 he destroyed infinite multiverse and infinite futures and possibilities In no concept of diff so.. And if we toking about scaling so I can scale anos anime to 1A to 1AH
There is /one/ (redactable by your decision. As, as you've said, at this point, he can just 'Divine Protection of Placeholder Loop Patterns' and vacate Dragon Ball Super... from itself.) loophole-ish. Super Shenron. /If/ we go by my lore and merge it with Dragon Ball. In other words, he 'physically' can't stress, tempo, temper, say, nor draw 'Divine Protection of Kaleidokinesis.' Far Away Star uses Kaleidokinesis, boom, he can't assert a duplicate nor an instance of a Divine Protection that whatever is painted with Kaleidokinesis would bar off. Of course, this means that Far Away Star, by definition, would need to use Actual God Ki in order to bypass the Divine Protection, as it is, by definition, Divine. Meaning that technically and actually this restriction is off-limits to Far Away Star. I'm using my OC Far Away Star as an example, not as an excuse to buff my OC(s). Kaleidokinesis is loosely defined in parentheses (by me) as "Uncopyability". Rein' wants to say 'Divine Protection of Uncopyability', boom, protection from 'most' things to do with that. But-- he physically can't counter a Divine Protection... if something is Divine outside of his scope. When Zamasu was obliterated, he was granted nigh-true immortality. Just say 'I wish for the ultimate pet in Super Shenron with the express lanes dividend otherwise to only Reinhard and further to the extent you may proceed with, peas and carrots', boom, instant protection. Problem is: You would need to go through an insane intricate process the /entire/ time you're trying to pull this off as Reinhard might just keep saying 'no u' in different ways the entire time!
Um... I mean... You're telling the truth when it comes to my ability to power-scale him... but also lying about it?... I accurately place him as above my Tiering System- to what degree I don't know, as he could just say 'Divine Protection of Accuracy' and I'm wrong, or 'Divine Protection to project to the Outside of Occam's Razor' and just no u my entire point entirely. At which point... how is reality even still standing? Oh, right, Divine Protection of Moral Intent. You see where I'm [not] going with this, right? Also, you kind of already power-scaled him in your video right after saying /I/ can't power-scale him accurately, so I mean... is there really even a top anymore? He could just say 'Divine Protection of Surprises Reserved for the Top' and ... no u your argument entirely. Yes, there would be 'grades' to this Divine Protection, but... as long as he can keep 'stacking'... is there really a top?
I am more so like in between i think he could counter nearly everything but i struggle to see were he would survive being wished away by the super dragonballs or being erased because zeno could erase his mom before Reinhard was even born and the super dragonballs can wish for everything
Thing is, literally every swordmaster on the level of Reinhard has Existence Erasure as well but none of them can kill him, Reid is heck more skilled than him and is technically even more bullshit (his only weakness is that he doesnt have as good of an immortality as Reinhard) And the nature of their Od is more abstract than Dragon balls meaning it's basically impossible for them to erase Reinhard
@@xkaspergaming5668 But their is a difference in existence erasure there are people with existence erasure that are on the level of yamato from bleach then beerus from Dragonball and then Zeno but those are completely different things. For Zeno it was Stated that he could even delete the concept of existence entirely 😂 so I struggle to see were reinhard could survive that
@@lupusreginabeta3318 Od Laguna is an AE type 2, CM type 1 Entity which is anywhere from low 2C to potentially 1A. Reinhard can defeat it and People on the same level as him are capable of dishing out same types of attacks along with soul,mind, and spatial erasure Zeno doesn't have as good of a erasure as Reinhards resistance
@@xkaspergaming5668 For Od Laguna to be 1A it would have to be truly transcendent and for Reinhard to beat it he would have to be Tier 0 aka Boundless so it is a bit hard to believe that
Honestly I used to think Reinhardt cleared but, after a weaker goku literally outscaling an actual gag character ( arale) whose powers still work in his direct verse and hakai being able to actual kill characters who don’t even follow such conventional or conceptual existences.( the ghost beerus killed is a gag character) I relished dbz was just made to make absolutely no sense.
Bro this is just wrong he can’t just make divine protection to beat anyone. There’s a character who’s gonna appear in season 3 who’s gonna showcase this. And he can’t grow to universe busting power without proof. This is the Saitama argument but infinitely less true.
Nah I know there are exceptions and specific charas he is a very bad matchup against. But unless we know the true limit of od lagna he is just very hard to scale. In this video I entertained the thought that Od Lagna could interfere with dragon ball and wank reinhard to hell and back. But I'm totally on board with placing him much lower too. The simple fact is he is a pain in the ass to scale 😂
@@ijudgeanimeno you can scale him > the cosmology at BEST
No speed feats also
@@lightfalldark3616 Fair fair but I do always make these videos with the mindset of not focussing on the speed thingie man. If you use the argument of "goku speed blitses them instantly" every time then no one would be able to have the slightest of chances... Honestly its kinda boring imo. But i mainly make these videos for fun and allowing for discussions
@@ijudgeanime you're right about the speed blitz, even tho I still think it's very relevant for your arguments.
+ DB cosmology is easily 5D and I don't think reihn can clear that when he barely has a moon feat.
Said so he has very powerful hax so it's very easy to fall in the no limit fallacy here and hard to scale.
Imo he can reach 4D via his Hax but anything above that seems unrealistic to me
@@lightfalldark3616 Yeah no you are right, not trying to downplay you or anything. I am just very transparent thet I tend to only use the speedblitz argument when I really just dont see a way around it like for example Yujiro or Voldemort on who I have done videos like these ones. I actually really appreciate people calling out the things I missed/did not cover fully! Keeps the discussions going
Pretty sure its cannon that subaru wanted to talk to reinhard about dbz....
There’s a problem with higher powers though. If someone like Freeza decides to 1 shot him, he wouldn’t be able to react to wish for more power. Even if the power source he draws from can allow him him to surpass Dragon Ball, he’s never faced a comparable strength enemy and isn’t prepared.
Even if he isn't prepared, he could just resurrect himself (because yeah he can just do that) then ask for a Divine Protection that would help him prevent whatever caused him to die.
@@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264 Okay well I didn’t consider that lol. That only leaves the source of his power. Can it make him stronger than a dragonball character? If yes, then he’s unstoppable.
Things like physical nulification or immunity always made me think that rather then being immune to be hurt by that, its more of a resistance like...lets say that an anime character has immunity to fire because we tossed him in lava and he didnt die...does that mean he would survive a dive into the suns core? There is always a limit to these sources of power
Bro turned on post notifications but got this after 4 days💀
@@Onimxshu UA-cam do play around like that, most people can fix it by toggling the bell on and off
rezero getting the respect it deserves
@@PavelMunteanB Barusu is my goat
@@ijudgeanime Drop this fun fact if you want in your future videos...
Barusu is the Japanese pronounciation of balls ☠️
> DB fans refuse to accept even the possible notion that Dragon Ball isn’t the only strong verse
Very true hahaha!
I will say, as a fan of Re:Zero, I don’t think Reinhard can just wish for a new Protection that easily, and personally he’s probably gonna get blitzed? If he can though, then that’s similar to Pre-Crisis Superman just… making up new powers. Still though, I will say that, like for Altair, Reinhard’s too hard to rate in these type of things without going on a no-limits fallacy. Because if we went all in on this logic, then we’d have to apply the same thing to someone like Gilgamesh, who has ALL infinite Noble Phantasms, and there’s way more powers and weapons with hax just as crazy as Reinhard’s that we don’t know about.
Or, if we apply this no limit thing to Dragon Ball, then Grand Priest or Whis might also have no limit to their abilities. They’re literally just plot devices, like Whis casually rewinding time like its nothing. Heck, you can apply it to Super Shenron. Wish for *literally* anything? That’s wild. Literal playground rules haha!
But yeah, at the end of the day, I would personally place Reinhard in a separate category similar to Altair, basically unknown. If we only take purely on screen feats and statements, then sadly Reinhard’s only lasting to maybe Saiyan Saga, dude will get blitzed.
Fun video! Love to see the Reinhard and Re:Zero rep.
I don't believe that his protection can go to that extent.
It's like saying friza black 1 shots no diff any verse because we didn't see his full strength
If you try to scale. You go for what they can do. Not go for theories
He ain’t getting past Krillin
but what if the divine protection weaker than DBZ what if goku or vegeta outscale Od Lagna
will rainhard be immune to their attacks ?
your telling me that plantry LEVEL would defeat a multiversal level ?
This my friends is a classic example of a no limits fallacy. I respect trying to find stronger verses but this aint the way to do it. Using an appeal to ignorance as a means of justifying Reinharts strength is a bad argument.
Fun thought though.
Yeah I can see where you are coming from. I knew beforehand that doing a video on a character like him would probably not satisfy any of the two sides, but people wanted to see him so I decided to do it anyway. After doing a couple of these videos I have come to realise that Dragon Ball is kinda too strong... Most of the characters that would technically "stand a chance" also coincidentally fit in with the no limits falacy crowd lol. Bu then again what do you expect when you try to put people against a verse like Dragon Ball. Best we can do is have some fun with it.
Bruh, he infact cannot beat goku
Hey yo to every body who sees this comment I’m pretty sure re zeros scaling is gonna get higher at some point there’s on small detail I often think about which is Sattelas feat of grabbing Subaru from earth. It was stated in the interlude between Arc2 and 3 that the stars in the sky are different than earths so that is either
A:Satella has Extradimensional range
B:Satella grabbed Subaru from somewhere millions of light years away from earth so Satellas range/speed feat
C:If it’s a different universe than that means multiversal range(obviously super highball)
It's not a highball though?
Great magic users like Echidna Roswaal and Beatrice can access/create their own personal dimensions which are basically entire pocket universes
Od Laguna is ATLEAST low 2C aka mutliversal due to already shown feats and Reinhard Directly scales to it
I think if some one scale higher than Re:zero Cosmology ,they can just bypass The divine protection
(He recive those divine protectiom not created it after all)
But the concept of his ability have no limit is pretty interesting to think about tho
I think that the limits he has are the limits of the one who gives him power on a technical basics ( but I don't think this is of real help since I don't think the writer actually put any limitations), but if you attack him and kill him faster than he can communicate to get a new protection the you should be able to kill him and if you attack him with something he doesn't understand then he shouldn't be able to ask for a protection that's perfect to protect him, although I don't think you need to go that far since he has only a 80% magic resistance then unless is state that he only ask for that, then there's a clear indicator of limitations, there for I don't think it will go all the way to zeon o sama ( don't know if it's written that way)
Tham it's a really long message, I hope it's understandable but if it's not then anyone can ask me
And I'm not trying to down play what was stated it's just that I think of powers and power scaling on a greater level like universal for some stuff I like to do and I think that that gave that perspective but I do think it would go further that I originally thought and if he goes with the main cast and not against the I think that the first real problem would be Beerus and the power to erase things from existence but it would only be a problem if he makes things worse in the first encounter
Unless he can cast faster than the speed of light then he done.
Obviously there HAS to be a limit to how much protection he can gain, if there wasn't then what is stopping Reinhard from becoming stronger than gods in Re:Zero? Heck what would stop Reinhard from becoming stronger than the Legendary Divine Dragon? As for DBZ characters most of them are stronger than gods and have been to be able to make holes through reality and destroy planets. My main point is that even through we don't fully know the limits of Reinhard's Divine Protection, if we don't put a cap to his power then he could potentially become impossibly strong even for his own universe. If we don't put a limit to how many things he could pull out of his ass then we could potentially get something ridiculous like: Divine Protection for Planetary Destruction or a Divine Protection for Universal Destruction. What's next? Divine Protection for breathing in space? Divine Protection for radiation? Divine Protection for smelling a little funny?
His limit is Od Lagnas power
So basically he could kill the Od Lagna to extract enough power to be about equal to a planetary spirit bomb?
@@emeraldpichu1 I don't think Od Lagna is an entity that can be destroyed using just brute force
How far would Alucard (Hellsing) get in Dragon Ball?
How far would Cure Black and Cure White make it in Dragon Ball. (Futari wa Precure)
Reinhardt has limits his fight against regulus shows
Now I'm thinking about Ajimu Najimi or Medaka Kurokami vs Reinhart, now wouldn't that be a bitch to look into lol~
(Kumagawa Misogi vs Dragon Ball pwease)
No point in that match up, Kumagawa slams the verse
@@GLMZIGMNot really from what i heard his ability all fiction is just 3D reality manipulation so like it wouldn’t even work on the stronger Z Fighters
I haven't watched the video yet, but from what I know of this guy, its going to be a situation of needing to sweep Dragon Ball's hack overpowering under the rug, so that Reinhard can actually get anywhere (which I get. I stand by the fact that overpowering hacks with shear power is one of the most busted hacks in fiction, as it basically turns 99% of characters off outright.). But lets see how it goes.
Putting a "hackless" Reinhard at Frieza is being really generous. Unless Re:Zero power scaling skyrockets after the point I'm at, they would be a legitimately chance they he would lose to Goku's first Ozaru transformation (I would still give it to Reinhard due to being a masster swordsman, and being able to cut off the tail.). But in shear power, that first Ozaru Goku would be a legit threat, in shear power at least.
Again, I understand going for the high ball for the sake of argument, but I'm still going to point this out. Just because something hasn't shown a limit, doesn't mean it has no limits. Assuming it has no limits is a no limits (or appeal to probability, more accurately) logical fallacy. IE, I don't think its going to be a controversial thing, to say that immunity to ranged attacks in a medieval world where they have arrows being flung around, is going to be a little different than having projectile immunity in a world where someone could eradicate a universe casually with their projectile. I'm not saying that its wrong to assume that they could function at a level higher than what is shown (if they aren't shown to be pushing themselves to accomplish the feat.), however there is a happy medium between saying "this is what he has shown, so that is 100% a hard limit" and "he hasn't shown a limit, therefore he has no limits period."
That is kind of a weird point to me. "there are some characters like Reinhard who can shit on every universe due to the nature of their abilities." I mean, why is that stance ok for a character like Reinhard, but not ok for DB characters? The nature of Dragon Ball characters, is that they overpower hacks with shear power, which is a direct counter to the previously mentioned characters who shit on every universe due to the nature of said abilities. Combine that with the fact that DB characters are just ridiculously powerful in a general power scaling sense, and you have characters that "can shit on every universe due to the nature of their abilities." I don't mean to say this in any sort of insulting way, I'm just saying what it seems like to me, but it kind of feels like a situation of liking another power system better, so giving that power system preferential treatment. I'm sure that isn't actually the intent, and again I'm not trying to be a dick, but it does feel like a situation of "characters in group A are allowed to use their abilities to be ridiculously overpowered in any universe they are in, but you are stupid for trying to allow those characters in group B to use their abilities to be ridiculously overpowered in any universe they are in" I don't know if my rambling actually got the point I was trying to make across, but this paragraph is already long, so I'll leave it at that.
Side note, my pre watch first paragraph seems to be right on the money.
Wow, so this is the no limits fallacy. To put Hart>superman thats hilarious
@@JustSomeGuy9 If you design a character with no ceiling they can simultaniously clear anything and lose to anything. As soon as you move anime verses its free game lmao
@ijudgeanime odd how you didn't give superman and saitama that benefit.
@@JustSomeGuy9 Honestly because we straight up know more about their limits. In the case of Reinhard (at least to the extent of my knowledge) Their is no hard ceiling on how many abilities he can have, what types of abilities he can have, etc. Saitama is currently going into a galaxy level fight if I remember correctly and Superman gets buff every now and then when the writers milked the previous one dry. But Reinhard has no tangible ceiling as of yet. But I dont fault people who say saitama and superman have no limits either tbh. Perfectly reasonable assumption to make
@@ijudgeanime a common mistake but we do in fact have a limit to what kind of abilitys reinhard can get
Tappei himself claimed that something like sleep or ageing is too much for him and Reinhard himself said that he can't get divine protections that don't exist, after all he only has a 80% resistance to magic not immunity.
@@ranmoses2553 Mhm but even so projectile attacks being useless, 80% ki resistence, etc. He is still one strong boi 😤
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How far would Anos voldigoad get in Dragon Ball
It only fair if we count Anime feats only since his Full feats will destroy the DB verse pretty easy(Atleast At this point)
If we use his full feats I think we should use the xenoverse instead of Canon DB
@@nguyenlightduy7020
Like anos did this
In s2 ep 21 he destroyed infinite multiverse and infinite futures and possibilities
In no concept of diff so..
And if we toking about scaling so I can scale anos anime to 1A to 1AH
There is /one/ (redactable by your decision. As, as you've said, at this point, he can just 'Divine Protection of Placeholder Loop Patterns' and vacate Dragon Ball Super... from itself.) loophole-ish. Super Shenron. /If/ we go by my lore and merge it with Dragon Ball. In other words, he 'physically' can't stress, tempo, temper, say, nor draw 'Divine Protection of Kaleidokinesis.' Far Away Star uses Kaleidokinesis, boom, he can't assert a duplicate nor an instance of a Divine Protection that whatever is painted with Kaleidokinesis would bar off. Of course, this means that Far Away Star, by definition, would need to use Actual God Ki in order to bypass the Divine Protection, as it is, by definition, Divine. Meaning that technically and actually this restriction is off-limits to Far Away Star. I'm using my OC Far Away Star as an example, not as an excuse to buff my OC(s). Kaleidokinesis is loosely defined in parentheses (by me) as "Uncopyability". Rein' wants to say 'Divine Protection of Uncopyability', boom, protection from 'most' things to do with that. But-- he physically can't counter a Divine Protection... if something is Divine outside of his scope. When Zamasu was obliterated, he was granted nigh-true immortality. Just say 'I wish for the ultimate pet in Super Shenron with the express lanes dividend otherwise to only Reinhard and further to the extent you may proceed with, peas and carrots', boom, instant protection. Problem is: You would need to go through an insane intricate process the /entire/ time you're trying to pull this off as Reinhard might just keep saying 'no u' in different ways the entire time!
You should do a video on how far the darkest knight from DC Comics would get dragon ball or medaka box please
Darkest Knight clears the whole verse
Great video i wonder how far satella would get since in the creator also said that satella and Reinhart can't kill each other and nobody would win
Um... I mean... You're telling the truth when it comes to my ability to power-scale him... but also lying about it?... I accurately place him as above my Tiering System- to what degree I don't know, as he could just say 'Divine Protection of Accuracy' and I'm wrong, or 'Divine Protection to project to the Outside of Occam's Razor' and just no u my entire point entirely. At which point... how is reality even still standing? Oh, right, Divine Protection of Moral Intent. You see where I'm [not] going with this, right? Also, you kind of already power-scaled him in your video right after saying /I/ can't power-scale him accurately, so I mean... is there really even a top anymore? He could just say 'Divine Protection of Surprises Reserved for the Top' and ... no u your argument entirely. Yes, there would be 'grades' to this Divine Protection, but... as long as he can keep 'stacking'... is there really a top?
Yeah he basically has no real ceiling. And you are right when you said I couldnt scale him accuratly haha
I am more so like in between i think he could counter nearly everything but i struggle to see were he would survive being wished away by the super dragonballs or being erased because zeno could erase his mom before Reinhard was even born and the super dragonballs can wish for everything
And Zeno is at least comparable to the godly force that powers Reinhard. He can’t get stronger than wherever force powers him
Thing is, literally every swordmaster on the level of Reinhard has Existence Erasure as well but none of them can kill him, Reid is heck more skilled than him and is technically even more bullshit (his only weakness is that he doesnt have as good of an immortality as Reinhard)
And the nature of their Od is more abstract than Dragon balls meaning it's basically impossible for them to erase Reinhard
@@xkaspergaming5668 But their is a difference in existence erasure there are people with existence erasure that are on the level of yamato from bleach then beerus from Dragonball and then Zeno but those are completely different things. For Zeno it was Stated that he could even delete the concept of existence entirely 😂 so I struggle to see were reinhard could survive that
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Od Laguna is an AE type 2, CM type 1 Entity which is anywhere from low 2C to potentially 1A.
Reinhard can defeat it and People on the same level as him are capable of dishing out same types of attacks along with soul,mind, and spatial erasure
Zeno doesn't have as good of a erasure as Reinhards resistance
@@xkaspergaming5668 For Od Laguna to be 1A it would have to be truly transcendent and for Reinhard to beat it he would have to be Tier 0 aka Boundless so it is a bit hard to believe that
he scales at best at his cosmology stop with this nlf
Doesnt he have to announce it
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