Abused Seiko 5 Gets A Well Needed Restoration - Automatic Vintage Watch - 7009a
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Abused 1982 Seiko 5 gets a full makeover to bring it back to its former glory #Seiko #watch #restoration
Seiko 7009a service manual can be found using the link below for anyone working on the same movement:
www.seikoservi...
I daily wear a seiko that I received for my birthday in 1978, I wore it till it stopped, then last year dug it out of storage and had it cleaned and am loving wearing it again.
Seiko sure know how to make watches that stand the test of time, not only mechanically but also aesthetically 👍🏻
please post a picture of your seiko
I got the same Seiko 5 (7009-3040F) of the year 1987 that I got from my grandfather. Really appreciate you for the video!
Your grandfather had good taste, this watch has not left my wrist since filming and still running smooth 👌🏻
@@jsgwatchescan u tell what size of nato strap would fit it
Oscillating rotor should placed on mark. Greatly done. This one is now on power for another 20 more years.❣️
Very much like your style of presentation and the clarity of your commentary. I'm happy you got the result that pleases you so -- it's good to see appreciation of a good older watch as a daily wearer. I second the thought of the commenter who asks you to please make more like this.
Thanks so much for the video! I've been watching some videos of watch restaurations for the past weeks and you gave me the courage to start the new hobby.
Best of luck Lucas! You will love it 🤌 JSG
At this very moment, I am doing the same watch Seiko DX 7009A, and this video is a very good guide to do and finish my work, as well as you, I am a beginner in watches. And the same problem with the barrel. so good advice you give in order to let it goes, and get the job done.
Good luck boss! And these barrels seem to be tricky. I was worried I would damage some barrel teeth if I forced any harder, and found online that the barrel in the 7009 is actually a non serviceable component, so I think you should be good leaving it as is 👌🏻
@@jsgwatches Yes, unfortunately in my case besides the mainspring barrel the balance spring has damage beyond, and the date plate is bend, so some issues to keep learning. Have nice festivities
Hi. The amplitude is usually lower on Seiko watches so, it is just fine. The mainspring is servicle too. Keep going :)
Excellent job! Well done!!
One piece of advice regards this watch movement (7009A and in fact the 70xx range) is that for the fitment of the oscillating weight, the hole on the first reduction wheel needs to be aligned with the upper hole of the two holes of the balance cock when the middle point of the oscillating weight is aligned with the winding stem. This relates to the optimum position for auto watch winding when on the wrist. You'll see this description in the Seiko Technical Guide for the movement.
I open and clean the mainspring barrel and spring on these watches. The old grease inside tends to dry and leak out, so it's good to clean and re-grease. The barrel has a split halfway up its side and it's normally quite easy to push the two parts apart with your finger nail. Reassembly of the mainspring is a little tricky, as it's an automatic movement spring that has a large bridle. Note the direction of the spring and also the fact that the bridle is on the inside of the spring and the spring needs to cross over after the first turn.
I've worked on the Seiko Lordmatic movement too (5605a or 5606a). Very nice movement and with superior design to the 7009A as it allows manual winding too. The big issue with these movements is the day/date quickset feature. It uses a plastic wheel on the day-date corrector wheel rocker, which normally breaks if the user tries to adjust the day/date whilst the watch is trying to do this change at midnight (always adjust day/date way past midnight!!). Hopefully yours will be OK. This as a replacement part is so rare. However, I have repaired this by making a replacement star washer from a 4 spoke watch wheel and fitted it onto the day-date corrector wheel rocker, which can be full dismantled. Very fiddly, but it is possible.
Hope this helps and Good Luck!!
Will definitely revisit this afternoon to set it in the right place! Thanks for the heads up 🙏
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If you haven't already found out, Vintage Times Australia makes a metal replacement part for that pesky plastic one that can break if people don't follow the instructions.
Brilliant video, thank you so much for sharing the restoration process of this amazing watch. Well done!
Thanks Dom, this watch hasn't left my wrist for months now, its definetly my favourite one! JSG
Your video got me through servicing two of these Seiko 5 watches Thanks!
Seiko's tend to have lower amplitudes than swiss movements. Your amplitude is only slightly low. I have a newish 7s26c movement that runs at 245. I also have a 1969 6119-6050 regatta timer with a brand new mainspring that runs as 220 +-5 sec in 4 positions. From my research and experience, I wouldn't worry too much about that amplitude.
I love my Seiko 5's I have six of them from a 1969 Sportsmatic to a 5 actus 23 jewel ss. I also have two 25 jewel Lord matic's one of them being the special Hi-beat so I will be looking forward to you servicing your LM. Really enjoying your work especially on Seiko's. Cheers dude, keep them coming.
This Seiko 5 is definitely going to stay with me and I’m looking forward to working on the LM! I just bought a replacement quickset star to fix the quickset problem, should be an interesting fix 👍🏻
the 52xx and 56xx are ostensibly completely different movements in design and from different factories - suwa/daini. the only thing they share is the “lord” branding.
Really enjoyed this restoration video. I have a Seiko 5 from the 90s and will get it restored soon as well. Its a joy to look at and wear.
Im a big fan of the Seiko 5's 👌JSG
It is really interessting to see somebody lerning watchmaking. I also started a few month ago only serviced about 10 watches. The first watch I worked on was a Dugena automatic watch with day date my father inherated. My second watch was a Seiko 5, I think they are really easy to work on, the are almost no tiny springs that can fly away.
The last 2 watches I bought where Poljot 3133 NOS chronographs. I got them for about 130€ each, and they where working and unused and only needed a service. I can only recommend them when you are looking for a cheap chrono, also It took me other 4 houres to sercive.
I feel like these lockdowns have brought life to old hobbies! Good to hear another newbie learning the ropes, and agree on this Seiko 5 being a nice watch the work on, the lack of small springs definitely takes the pressure off 😅
Brilliant, love the old seiko 5s.
This thing has been on my wrist a fair few hours now! Seiko 5’s are still a strong player in the watch market today. JSG
Super result! Thank you.
Nice job. I got similar watch with 7019, day-date version. It needs service the quick day setting is not operating. And I'll have to strip it down. Guess that single plastic gear could be a reason. I'm learning meself too, even Seiko movements are for us odd I'd say they are more natural than swiss movements of that age. I hate swiss springs. Some have like a spring for a spring. They love to fly more than a bird. Seiko has as less as possible. Those things are sturdy just like AK47. Thanks for sharing the video. Gives me some insight in what's coming up to me. Judging by the colors of the lubircants and absence of the tar similar S-4, you are not using seiko's oils.
All of my oils are from Moebius. JSG
Thanks!
You have done a really nice job with this watch. I just ordered some tools and looking forward to restore my first watch. I can't wait.
Good luck boss! You’ll learn so much along the way 💪🏻 JSG
it’s a good idea to pull the balance first and install last. Best to protect it. also bare fingers in the calendar isn’t great since your not cleaning that part.
I agree, I’d usually pull the balance out first but thought I’d follow the seiko service guide for this watch. Pulling the balance out first would definitely be a safer option though 🙏
Seeing this reminds me I have to transplant a good auto bridge and works to a rare 5 which has knackered magic fingers. The worn out fingers I have spare reduction wheel and fingers to replace but the movement itself runs fast irrespective of regulator and suspect the "do not touch" arm on the balance has indeed been touched but the movement needs a full stripdown anyway so I can put in the new parts upon reassembly (prob using this vid and some extensive pausing hehehe) I am wearing at the moment one of them new Lorus Y676C automatics which has the son of 7009 inside that being the 7S26C the C referring to it having the hairspring fault addressed that plagued the A's. In the meantime I will get back to my current project, rebuilding a rocking horse droppings Slava tank auto, its nice to work on Soviet stuff, Slava has twin mainsprings and the tube the cannon pinion rides is a very fine long tube of ruby and very pleasant to work with.
Hello, I just came across your channel because I have to service a seiko 7009 myself. What you have done is really commendable. I also do this as a hobby and I'm fairly new here. I have just one question. Is there a difference between the 7009 that you do and the 7009 regarding the mechanism? And if there is a difference, what is it? I already gave it and I will continue to follow you. Thank you.
Thank you very much for this video. I have this same watch, but with golden hands. It was my first automatic watch. I bought it in 1984 and it will be 40 years old this year. It was my only watch for the first ten years. It has never received any maintenance in all these years. I still wear it three or four days a month to keep the mechanism moving. It is the watch I am most fond of for the four decades together. I have been thinking for a long time about sending it to the official technical service to have it cleaned and oiled again, but I don't dare. It is such an old watch that I am afraid that they do not know how to disassemble and reassemble it and break what is not broken.
From one restorer to another, I really enjoy your videos and your humility and honesty. Wishing you all the best!
Appreciate the support boss 🙏 I’m just polishing out another crystal as we speak and my thumbs are now screaming for mercy. I think using diamond paste would be an easier option 😅 JSG
@@jsgwatchesTry cerium oxide. Available online. Works wonders on acrylic crystals. I do restorations myself :) Mix some cerium with water so it's pasty, apply to crystal and polish with micro fiber cloth. You'll get fantastic results. Cheers!
"SEIKO" name has 5 alphabets so the Seiko 5.
the main spring is indeed serviceable, like any other mainspring.
the barrel is constructed differently and therefore you need to open it with a slightly different approach: there is a mid barrel joint between lid and barrels body, place one of your thumb nails in it - the other of your thumb nails on the barrel teeth and this way you can just pull the barrel lid open.
I did try to pry the barrel apart, but felt that any more force would have damaged the teeth on it, which is where I read online that seiko recommend a replacement rather than a service for this item. It’s not impossible to service, but in my case wasn’t an option. JSG
I am also a watch maker i love Seiko for their simple and smooth mechanism which calibre have you repair7009 have some common problems No1 is back water proof washer second its automatic roater bearing third is its day push system. It was a large selling brand in my country Pakistan in 1970 and after 3 decades.
I have a Seiko 5 from early two thousands ( the one that has a clearcase back) and I am trying to open it and clean all myself. What kind of chemicals do you recommend to clean it and remove the rost?
Throw an nh35 dial on it. They fit . And the nh35 hands fit too ,except the seconds hand
I've got a seiko 5 ..but can't find out it's model number or origin or a shop or a person to clear the glass and fix date.
Great video 👍 Seiko make fine movements. I have just started my watch restoration hobby. All I can say is be very delicate with Seiko hairsprings and the etachron system they use. It's unforgiving compared to miyota and citizen movements.
I’m now a Seiko fan, these things are built extremely well!
Wonderful job! This is the first UA-cam video of this exact model that I've seen, and I'm glad because I have the same one :D
Great workhorse and looks very nice.
Hola, por favor me podrían decir que modelo es. Un cordial saludo desde Fuenlabrada-Madrid - España. Gracias.
Interesting, I bought my 7009-3040 new in the early 90's and the serial number dates to just a few months before I bought it. I would've expected the 7009a to have succeeded the 7009 not predate it, however your case back has the logos that one would expect of the 80's. This raises the question of whether the 7009 and 7009a overlapped and not just by a little but by a decade when Seiko's calibres are usually only produced for about a decade.
Interesting point! JSG
Can you open up a Seiko Monster?
Amazing job! I love affordable mechanical watches, hope to see more affordable Japanese watches restoration.
I have a few more Japanese watches in my drawer, hoping to get back to making videos soon 🙏 JSG
Well done. Great filming and voice over work.
Hi 👋
What a nice ending
Im fans of this repair
Can u help me i have few questions
Sure, fire away
is it possible to restore Seiko 5 corroded inside mechanism ?
I guess it depends on the level of the corrosion, if any parts are overly corroded, could always source a replacement part to fix. JSG
A note to others: When putting the train wheel bridge on, take note of the click. It will be in the way and will keep you from getting fully set. Try to line up the jewels first, then hold the bridge with some peg wood and then get the click out of the way. Now you can seat the bridge. I struggled with this for a while because I wasn't paying attention to the click and I thought I couldn't get things to line up right. Don't be a dummy like me.
I was equally caught out by this! Took me a little while to figure out what was happening. JSG
I got bitten by that too! Thanks for the warning.
Hey amazing Video. I havent worn my Seiko a year. Funny thing - over head Its Working. But dial faced upwards it stops. Do you know what it could be ? I got Everything at home to prepare it
where can I find watches like this?
Great video, do the Seiko manuals tell you which parts to lube/grease?Thanks,
Thanks Tom. Yeah, they normally indicate with coloured arrows on where to oil/grease and tell you the type of oil/grease to use. JSG
Price plz in Bangladesh
I bought this watch pre-owned for around $20
Hi, I would like to know what kind of camera and lens you use, and how you mount it. thanks in advance.
I have just the same model... Will you plz restore my watch....
7s26 is build by hand
It could have been better if the case bracelet made free of scratches & polished .To me that ls restoration not just the movement alone.
Thanks Tissa, I'm a sucker for the worn look of the bracelet and case so tend not to touch them. I do have a few cases that need re-plating however, so will include that in future videos! JSG
Well I have a automatic Seiko watch that was bought for me when I was 18 now 60 I wore it to work when I was 19 and I got electric shock welding and damaged the watch I tried to get it repaired in the uk when I lived there but it never worked properly how do I go about getting it repaired
Which country do you live in Ian? I can point you in the right direction. JSG
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Well done J. You are learning so quickly! Did you take an online course or self taught via UA-cam? I recently did a Seiko 5 Sportsmatic from 1965 with I think a 1699a movement (could be wrong) but it’s quickset day/date won’t work. It’s different to your movement I think, so I need to revisit mine. Keep the good work up!
Thanks Boyd, I took a short 4 hour course initially where we disassembled and reassembled a chinese Seagul movement, the rest is all self taught from following guides online. I've fallen in love with Seikos recently, the available service manuals are a god send! Good luck with your Sportsmatic, some of the guys on the forums are wizards for tricky problems if needed, i've seeked their help a few times! JSG
How long did you say you had been doing this four months. I’m well impressed. Really good job. Subscribed. 👍👍
Thanks Derek, appreciate the support 🙏I picked it up this July and have absolutely fallen in love with it! I think my day job and hours soldering have definitely helped transfer some skills over to watchmaking
I have a query i bought this watch from a flea market but the condition is so good it doesn't feel real like a put together watch can i send you some pics to know if its real or just some put together watch i could not find much on google but the movement is the same as yours
great and wonderful jope but please lower your voice a little , relax music
These are almost indestructable watches. As far as I know, the fully automated assembly started with the 7s26 movement, which is the successor to this 7009.
Nice result! Diamond paste will give good results on the mineral crystal. You can buy it on Amazon in a kit with several grit sizes. It works well and is much faster. Very good video.
Diamond paste is a good shout! My thumbs after the sanding were torn to shreds. I have another seiko that needs the same treatment so I may get some diamond paste as a treat to my thumbs to an easier life 😅
Beautiful restoration! I had a couple of Seiko 5s back in the mid to late 90's. Absolutely loved them! I have a Seiko kinetic Diver's model for about the last ten years or so. Daily/constant wear, no service yet. Do you take commissions?
That moment when you discover that NH36 parts aren't compatible with the 7009A....
Great job on bringing that one back to life and respectability. Turned out really well and looks sharp. Kudos.
Thanks Tom, i was a little nervous about the crystal but was surprised with how it turned out! Glass polish definitely does what it says on the tin 😂 JSG
Great video my friend
I do own a Seiko 5
Tracked it back to 1980/1990
It does get stuck, I want to change the whole movement.
It's the perfect training watch
Great video, thanks for posting. I have essentially the same watch from 1975. I wore it for probably 15 years and if I recall correctly it stopped running reliably. It then sat in a jewelry box for over 30 years until I recently brought it out, shook it to get it running and started wearing it. Been about a week and it seems to be running perfectly. What should I do, keep wearing it or take it in for servicing? Also the crystal had scratches, not as bad as yours. I used a product called Novus 2, Fine Scratch Remover for plastics, rubbed it by hand and it looks brand new.
Great video mate, I’m on a similar journey, I’m even going to try my hand at you tube also, it was amazing this is only one of your first, top job and excellent commentary too 👍
Really good job and appreciate the time an effort that goes into the video you make. I also am a fan of these watches I have two with 7S26 movement see through caseback
Thanks boss 🙏 this video took around 20 hours to film/edit 😅 but definitely worth the end result. I like the see through backs of the 7S26 version, the movement is my favourite part, but always hidden away!
I have this exact watch. Serial number 571184. Mine needs a little work also. Pretty good shape. Ring around the day date window came off.
While watching this I went online $10 new Crystal on eBay for that particular watch. Genuine Seiko crystal. 30 minutes that mess I'll go with the $10 US.
Great job I've got a seiko 5 watch similar to this with the see through back and it never let's me down I paid 20pounds for it of a friend about 15 years ago. And I also have another one with a black face I gave 10pounds for but the date is fine it's the day that's stuck what could be wrong with it
What's the caliber diameter? I wanna restore an old Frankenstein Seiko 5, with movement 7009, a watch case from 7s26, and small strap.
I am a newby to the watchmaker community, and I thoroughly enjoyed your video. I have a similar model which I have been struggling with and this has been a great help. Nice work 👏
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Glad it helped you out boss 🙏 JSG
I can not for the life of me to get the wheel train to spin once I put the wheel train bridge on. I I have ordered 3 escape wheels because I keep snapping the scape wheel pinion on the top or bottom. Do you have ANY recommendations?
I have a Seiko 5 automatic 17 jewels I have to repair, I am from Bangladesh, what should I do now?
I can’t get the power train together to save my life! All the wheels are in but nothing is spinning together 😢
thanks for showing this.. pls make a lot of videos like this
My Seiko Automatic from the 70s Day Date At this very moment reads Wed 27. The same as the watch in this video lol
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I have a 70009A it belongs to my first seiko if you want it you can get it for free for spair parts. I dont use it...
How can I send a Seiko 5 watch to you for service? I am in Libya and I do not know how to deliver it to you. Please reply
Sir my father has a roamer mechanical watch … local mechanic has ruined the watch….can you make it right for me.?…..I am from India .
What method do you use for cleaning? Did you go all in at first and buy everything you need or did you clean by hand at first?
watched this video wearing a seiko 5 with the exact same 17 jewel 7009 movement
I am looking for a replacement band for the same exact watch. Where would I be able to get one?
Great watch, needs a cleaning, and a NATO strap..
I film and edit by myself.
Probably a little easier than that damn Timex eh
Definitely! Seiko have earned a lot more respect from me after working on this 👌🏻
My birth year watch is a 1964 Seiko 5 Sportsmatic .
Hi, what is that are you using here) ?? 6:17 looking for a good canon pinion lifter, can you give a link?
This is called a presto tool, can also be used to lift the hands off too. JSG
How did you clean the mainspring? I am struggling with it, i think the most dangerous part)
For this watch, I couldn’t open the main barrel so left it as is, and later found out the main spring is a non serviceable item for this particular movement. It’s not to say it’s impossible, but a fiddly task to open the barrel without damaging it! JSG
What is price in this watch plz
I got this watch pre-owned for around $20
Great video. I wonder, with an auto-only winder and lacking a power meter, how do you know when the watch is fully wound?
You never know! Absolutely no way of telling. Although the watch doesn’t require much of a wind to get going, the lower the power in the mainspring, the greater the inaccuracy of the timing. JSG
It would be interesting to see a restoration of a seiko 5 snxj90
For you. You could repair the Seiko I have and how much it will cost me. I am from GREECE.
Cool. I also used 800 1000 & 2000 on my latest video and found it not to be good enough. I have to go back to that part where you say the substance you used with a rotory tool. I'm getting a rotory tool for Christmas and I am also learning watchmaking as well.
Get some cerium oxide powder, it will make your glass look as good as new! I was a bit worried after the 2000 grit as the glass was still milky, but the cerium oxide brought it back to life 🙏
@@jsgwatches Thank you. I just bought some on eBay from China and cannot wait to use it on a few of my watches. Of course, I will have to wait until Christmas when I will get my rotery tool.
What is the tool you used to open the case back please.
Thanks
Hi, Ive got a Seiko 5 7008-3100. A few of the numerals and the second hand have fallen off and are rattling around inside. Any tips on (gluing?) the numbers back on. I think it was dropped. I microsolder so mave a microscope, tweezers and a watch opening tool but no eperience going beyond battery repair. I am scared that if it take the movement out to get to the face then it may all just ping apart. I know they are not worth much but sentimental value and I would like to get it going again. Thanks in advance.
A cheap and quick solution that has worked for me is using a standard glue stick (the type used for gluing paper). Use an oiler to apply a tiny amount to the back of the numeral, trying to avoid excess spilling out when pressed down, should hold them back down for many more years to come 👌🏻JSG
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Just wanted to say thanks so much. That really helped. I have It working again..my grandad gave It to me so well stoked. One other question, if you don't mind, the head on that pin that you need to remove to take the movement out of the case seems bent at the top and I can change the date but not the day. When I push the button, the day tried to change but doesn't. Should I try and straighten the pin or quit while I'm ahead? Thanks again and Merry Christmas.
What is the size of strap plz tell i want to replace mine with nato strap
Hi, I just wanted to say that I am really enjoying your videos. It looks like you are a bit further down the learning road than I am as I recently started on the exact same watch you did (Seagull). It great to see someone progressing and talking through the challenges that I will come to further down the line. Thanks!
Good luck on your journey boss! I’m currently waiting for a jewelling tool to arrive to complete the next project. This hobby and my bank account are not best friends 😅 JSG
Its a shame they never made a chronograph.
Would you know how many screws in total does this movement has? I just stripped down one. just finished in the cleaner (balance wheel not included because I am not sure if it should). Per the catalog from the description, it should have 16 (If I am not wrong) but when I counted the screws I have, I only have 15 :( not sure If i misplaced one or Its already missing when I got it. I am pretty sure I followed the 56.
How do you record these videos? Thanks
Very nice🔥 started to work on Watches today, with budget tools... with the same Movement, it was very difficult so i needet help, thanks for your video! Watch is running now..
Is this a hi beat one??
Nope, this is the regular 21,600 version. The grand Seikos and some King Seikos use the hi-beat version. JSG
Hi there, appreciate the content. Your video helped massively. If I could ask however, I note that you replaced the spacer when installing the movement - what spacer did you use? Thank you!
I refitted with the original spacer, there is one that fits underneath the dial, the case back then helps keep the movement in place 👍🏻 JSG
@@jsgwatches Thanks! Have realised that it comes in 2 parts spacer for the dial and spacer for the movement. Have managed to source 👍