I enjoyed delivering this talk! For signed copies of the book it’s based on 'Unbelievable? Why, after ten years of talking with atheists, I'm still a Christian' www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Unbelievable-the-Book
Then you need to pay attention when you are listening to atheists in future. You obviously would not come out with such presuppositional garbage if you were delivering this diatribe in any European country. Your arguments are so weak that I thought this was from the 1950's. Bye-the-way Richard Dawkins is not the best atheist debater out there. He may have been 12 years ago but he could not compare with Hitchens .Matt Dillahunty, Paulogia and lots of others.
Justin, it's interesting how you poo poo naturalism. Every thing so far that we attributed to the supernatural we found to be due to natural forces. What in your life do you see the supernatural? Demonstrate it, do that and I'll believe it.
I'm an atheist, but really enjoy your work. Thanks very much. Thanks for bringing people together with opposing views in a kindly debate. We need so much more of that right now.
@@FinneousPJ1 All atheist positions are strawman approaches, though. All the new atheist's arguments all posit the same approach and argue the same points. Less a few subtle differences betwixt them about objective morality. It's just the same approach to debating religious folks. It's a simple format really...
@@FinneousPJ1 Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Dillahunty, all use the same presuppositional straw man approach when debating religious figures. Take belief in God, make a juxtaposed argument to some bad actor, who had belief in god, equate bad acts to god belief, bingo-bango, religion is bad. Religious figures do the same exact technique when arguing against secular humanism. Hitler was an atheist; therefore, atheism and atheists are bad. (This argument is fallacious on the surface - which is what makes it a strawman approach). “I’m not going to address what you say, I’m going to attack something else.” I am simply stating that the approach of the atheist’s is the same. None are that concerned with consciousness and where it comes from, and more the point where it resides - except for maybe Harris, who has a more mindfulness approach than the others. The rest are solely out to rail against religion. They will arise at some hyperbolic place where ‘I don’t know, and that’s okay’ is typically used to just explain away key tenets of the human experience. I am in no way saying what they are implying is wrong - just that, these many debates will have their assumed winners based on the predisposition of the audience. Harris is not going to make a compelling enough argument to convert areligious people, en masse after one debate. Just as Lennox won’t convert, in masse, a group of Secularists to Christianity after one debate. Sure, there may be a few, but I’m talking a lot. UA-cam is an echo chamber of ideas and can generally find like-minded individuals to latch on to.
@@jshauns Even if you're correct, that does nothing to demonstrate your claim "all atheist positions are strawman approaches", which is ridiculous. There is one atheist position, which is the rejection of theistic claims. Furthermore, you are not correct. Dillahunty, for example, tends to ask what theists believe and why and go from there. How is that strawmanning? And even if it is, that does not excuse the strawmanning of this speaker. So you fail on many levels lol
I’ve been experiencing a period of doubting my faith lately but I couldn’t put into words why I couldn’t reject my Christian faith even in my doubt I just couldn’t reject Jesus and after listening to this Justin put into words everything that I was feeling. Something in me just knows that it’s true. Thank you so much after hearing this I’ve fallen in love with the gospel all over again.
it isn't true, and it's not leaving god or heading for hell because - no god and no hell. i've been atheist all my life, and i've had a pretty amazing life, god makes no difference, and if you hadn't noticed god hasn't made the slightest difference to human nature in 2000 years, the only advances in morality have actually come from secular sources, it wasn't the catholics decided to end the inquisition, it's not chrisitans allowing same sex marriage, it's not christians approving of homosexuality, religions are bully enablers and that's all "it's not ME burning you alive, my GOD demands it" - quit, go enjoy life, stop worrying about the sky daddy - he isn;t there.
I don't struggle with faith which isn't to say that I have all the answers to my questions..I still, in many ways struggle with why God allows certain kinds of pain and suffering but I know there was reason for the pain and suffering of Christ on the cross so that's where my mind goes when I see suffering that "seems" arbitrary. I think the Christian faith, the Bible has the best explanatory reasons why the world is the way it is in terms of humanity and its fallen nature...also, there's so much to sift through ie the laws of logic, the laws of physics, the moral law, the eye witness testimony of Scripture, the historisity of Jesus of Nazareth..it really is a cumulative case. Lastly, since neither God nor evolution can be proved we rely on inference to come to the best conclusion..so even atheists have faith. Faith is only as good as the object in which it's placed. If we consider all the aforementioned God is incomprehesively great..beyond what we can apprehend about Him in regard to all of those things..so I think the Christian has the best reasons for placing their faith in Christ...I could go on with respect to having an eternal perspective on life..and on and on..
@@cynthiahample7793 wow that was just a pile of garbage first of all the gospels don't even claim to be an eyewitness account they're written in the third person they were oral traditions for generations and written down anonymously and then centuries later attributed authors. The gospels speak of the Vincent no one was there to witness the gospel of Mark speaks of Mark as a separate person there is zero reason to think any of that is true we know they aren't eyewitness accounts there is no getting around that that is a fact
Thankyou, this is exactly what i needed. Im a teenager from britain who struggles and i searched you up because you commented on a great book called ask. I didn't expect to watch the whole video, especiappy when i saw that it was 35 minutes. But it completely lifter me up off the ground. Thankyou
@@sandershano5758 lol......ever notic pe,god is always invisible and barely speaks except in peoples heads? Yes ....god is imaginary ......wether it is Zeus , Brahma, Vishnu , Yahweh , Baal......or the invisible talking rabbit ........it’s all in the head
I am an atheist and really appreciate Justin. He is really good at having positive conversations. He does give us an example of being able to respectfully engage one another.
Yeah tbh I’m a theist but really dislike militant theists and militant atheists, because I think debates on this channel can give better answers for both sides
Thank you Justin. I have been a Christian for more than 40 years and never doubted the existence of God as the creator of the universe and life, that is why I am completing a degree in Religious Studies and Philosophy, after Education. The Big Conversation Debates I have watched on UA-cam have been so interesting and motivating for me to do my part in sharing my thoughts in French & Spanish on the existential questions I had since the age of 10, although I am a nube techwise. You are encouraging me to share my experience and study on this subject I am so passionate about.
given this facts what decision will you make You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven. If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell c) Bring no children
do you have free will not to create who you know will end up in hell, do you have that choice either to create or not create? or it is God forced to create the ones he knows will be in eternal torture@joeturner9219
@joeturner9219why not Mohammed, Brahma, or Buddha? We know 90% of belief comes down to where you are born. If you live a good life for 80 years helping others, but you aren’t christian, you go to hell, FOR ETERNITY. Sounds fair. Free will is always a great response to believers of another creed why they are wrong. Okay Jesus is the answer, which of the 5000 + denominations do I choose. Some are accepting, but many believe only their fanboys make it to heaven.
I’ve been having a long conversation with a friend over the course of several months. She’s a 1.) witch 2.) evolutionist. How should the Christian approach the idea of evolution?
@@colereece3902 the first step to discussing evolutions actually learn what evolution is. So many Christians I talked to try to disprove things that evolution has never said.
@@darkeen42 Must be as difficult as being a Christian and wearing Mixed fabrics. Young Earth creationism is probably amuch smaller group than you might think. It is a very vocal group tough. The majority of Christians (outside the US) probably consider creation in 6 days a metaphor just like many other stories in the Bible. They recognise the evidence for evolution is overwhelming, and consider evolution part of the method via which God created life.
Hey man may I ask you this question. Why are you an atheist. Your life goal is to tell Christians why they are wrong why is it your life goal is not to tell the truth?
@salty please look forward to Muslim speakers also and consider them. If you dismissed others to wait for a Christian apologist then you need to think again.
I'm glad you are hearing the case out Salty Dodger, (if that is your real name). Many of the 'new atheists' are antagonistic, but I think that arrogance has proven to be bad for them. The thing is, they are really coming from an 'I don't know' position, but acting like 'know it alls'. They have reasons for doubt. Ok. It's understandable. Doubts and a willingness to hear go a long way, and you seem like you may be that way. If so, great. It takes time as the case for God and Christianity is immense and you may have barely scratched the surface. At times the most searching sceptics become strong defenders of the faith, like CS Lewis and J Warner Wallace more recently (a top notch detective bringing excellent angles on the subject. He's online and in books.) So if you don't mind running that risk, good for you. A hope for an eternity of love, joy and peace, beats out resting in peace forever, in my book. (Which doesn't compare with Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell.) Here's some other things you could find here on UA-cam. Videos by Dr James Tour and Dr Stephen C Meyers, Dr William Lane Craig for the Moral argument and others. Biblical archeology is proven again and again, most especially around the burnt peak of Mt Sinai in Saudi Arabia, (maybe check out Ryan Mauro's video and see the monolithic split Rock of Moses with its water erosion and many, many other Biblically correlating sites.), the Red Sea Crossing with its Egyptian size and style wheels in the sea corals and so on, is incredible Shall I keep going? There's the vast issue of the prophecies Christ fulfilled. Did you know that Dr Michael Brown never lost a debate with Jewish scholars? It's because of the case and his knowledge of it. Amazing subject, strong in giving faith as fulfilling the miraculous trends to be. Which leads to the resurrection. No shortage of those videos, as it is vital. While our extra Biblical evidence for Christ from the first century increases to solidify with new finds, the people want physical forensic evidence. Have you studied the Shroud? How about the incredibly matching headcloth of Christ in Oviedo. Even the blood type matches with the Shroud, AB. Also the Shroud tested positive for Bilirubin which comes from torture. Amazingly the crown of thorns plant pollen from early Jerusalem is still on the Shroud, but just the start of that evidence. Near Death Experiences are fascinating. Modern miracles in Mozambique are truly powerful, and PhD tested before and after prayer. Astonishing results! Yet there are so many more healings in Jesus name occurring there. But beyond all these things and much more, there is the spiritual birth given you by God. "His Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.", Paul said. "God is Spirit" so really the issue is a spiritual one. Ultimately that is where He will make Himself known to you. Do you want Him to? I hope this helps. I'll pray for you.
@@johnvirgilio5323 Many of the atheists are not what you think they are. The person you are replying have just proved my point . But you will rather assume than talking with (not to) them.
Thanks, I'll continue to try to humbly tread where the evidence leads where ever that might be but not lead the evidence to any prior conclusions, the essence of scepticism in my opinion.
So powerful and refreshing. Experiencing a supernatural encounter with Christ is difficult to explain, but is tangible and real. I hope everyone takes this question seriously enough to explore it sincerely. They will undoubtedly come to the end of themselves and find Gods grace is the answer.
@@sauravcyrus1935 Nice try. But YHWH, Elohim, Theos (Deus) and Allah are all interchangeable words for "God", linguistic symbols pointing to the same God, given that they are all Abrahamic faiths.
If you actually got an education and verified the thing as a scum bags as you wouldn't be thanking him you would be cussing him out.. I'm sorry you prefer comforting lies over harsh reality. You still believe in Santa Claus too
if he said, belief in God, that might make more sense, it's not just athiests who don't believe in the Christian God, it's the vast majority of the planet
II came to Christianity through science. When I find an inscription in the sand I think it's common sense to think a human wrote it, whereas a militant atheist would believe that crabs and sea motion over the millennia wrote that single phrase. It simply doesn't make sense. As a former atheist, former agnostic, and now a believer in Christ I sincerely thank the new atheists who with their so-far futile attempts to debunk the Christian faith and replace it with their naturalistic and irrational faith make my faith in GOD and Christ stronger because it is based on firmer ground. And for this, I must deeply thank Justin Brierley and the precious debates he hosts in his show that compare the two worldviews.
You may have some familiarity with science, but your logic is abominable. When you find writing in the sand you know it for what it is because you've seen writing before many times and you know how it is made. Your "common sense" about that is nothing but accumulated experience. Please tell us about your travels to other universes which you saw many universes being made by a god or gods, that informs you that this universe was similarly designed and made. If the entire universe was necessarily designed by a god, then we have no examples to look at of something that wasn't so designed, and therefore no way to tell the difference between the two.
@@yekatyaap548 do not be surprised. Science, in the first place, has been a product of the Christian world view that there was a design to be discovered in nature. Chines did not invent science because they were convinced that the world was in a precarious equilibrium between the forces of chaos and order. Greeks believed in the logos and not in the fact that there were natural laws to be discovered through guided experiments. Christians were convinced that being made in the image of God they had the intellect to find out the laws written In nature by the law giver.
@@scotte4765 I’m not an English native speaker but it is clear that in labeling my logic abominable you are not trying to be nice to me and unfortunately I am a too young new Christian to be nice to a jerk like you. With my comment I was really paying respect to atheists that struggle to search the truth. Anyway you entirely missed the point. It is exactly the experience that let me know that there is an intelligent cause when I see Information . I stop here. Stay safe.
@@bhocatbho I wasn't trying to be nice to you, or to be mean to you. You opened yourself up to public response by posting a comment here, so I gave you an honest response to the argument you gave. I saw nothing in your comment that paid respect to atheists. You made an absurd characterization of what you think atheists "would believe" and then labeled that mischaracterization as not making sense. You said atheists' attempts to debunk Christian faith were futile and claimed they have "irrational faith" that is on weaker ground than yours. Your "thanking" of atheists was the equivalent of saying, "you're so stupid and wrong, it has helped reinforce how right I am, so thanks". Please tell me what you think atheists should regard as respectful in all of that. If you're going to write a paragraph that misrepresents and mocks atheists in multiple ways, why are you surprised when an atheist doesn't respond with "oh boy, thank you"? Your understanding of the history of the development of science is simplistic, distorted, and abominable as well, by the way.
Empowering! Great encouragement for faith in the Christian God. Love these statements: "What we think we know about science isn't pointing away from God, it's pointing to God". "When it comes to making sense of human existence - God is the best explanation". Loved the video. Jesus is Lord.
luckily science is right even if you don't like it, i'd like to see how long anyone would last without - well your phone for a start, all the way through to hospitals and medicine, you really are ungrateful, god KILLS people for goodness sake, even his own son, when i say "save starving children" i get told god doesn't do that - that's your god, doesn't care who dies. at what stage is god involved then? at the quantum level? atomic? molecular? where is god getting his hands dirty, for me to have free will he can't touch my body can he? how is god an explanation of anything, how does god help surgery? where was god at nuremburg? humans have to doo all this bollocks, god has NEVER put in an appearance.
given this facts what decision will you make You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven. If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell c) Bring no children
@@a.39886 The idea in itself of heaven or hell is horrible. They are the fruit of a paranoid mind.... Let children alone. Don't scare them or ruin their life with your horrible ideas, man!
given this facts what decision will you make You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven. If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell c) Bring no children..
@@a.39886 d) Don't pretend that people go to heaven or hell when they die. The Bible doesn't teach such nonsense. People who die are dead, forever, unless they are resurrected when Christ returns. People don't burn in hell for eternity. Such an idea is utterly abhorrent and thoroughly unbliblical.
The defense of Justin Brierley about Christianity is highly relatable to different degrees of intellect of different minds, logical and rational, compelling to ascribe to the biblical story of Christianity.
@@padfootfan123 And when you see some of the intellectuals on both sides of the issue, it boggles my mind when either side belittles the other as unintelligent.
I do not object to Justin remaining a Christian despite his dialogues with atheists over the years, but I found myself having to say, over and over again, no, that is not what atheists believe. At no point did Justin provide a steel man representation of the atheist position and instead tended towards straw manning. Disappointing to say the least.
To be fair, if you're claiming a Christian worldview is superior to a secular worldview, you pretty much have to straw man the atheist position at that point.
I love the fact that after so many years he's still so dishonest about almost everything he says. He's been corrected about almost any point he's making but he just doesn't care - he just want to make believe.
I have begun watching or listening to “Unbelievable?” for the past 6 months or so and I think it is great. I in particular like the impartiality that Justin showed during every debate. It’s great to see Justin proclaiming his faith in this video but it may not do good to his show because people might think he is biased.
I'm an atheist who's watched quite a few of his show's episodes, and he does a fantastic job remaining unbiased. He's one of the best moderators of talks like these, period.
@@HarryNicNicholas A quick search for those episodes turned up nothing, and it doesn't sound like it's part of his moderation (which is where I'm saying he's acting unbiased, and he has from all the talks I've seen).
Thank you for sharing this. After researching and listening to different point of views for a while. Being a medical professional I can see that evolution although a good explanation is not good enough, and a true relationship with Jesus is tangible, He actually speaks to your heart and performs miracles. And that is something that you can’t explain to those who dont have a relationship with him. Its like trying to explain colours to a person who can only see in black and white.
How does being a medical professional make you "see that evolution although a good explanation is not good enough". That doesnt make any sense and is an argument from personal incredulity.
@@itzyourbwoytchybooxuur6475 tell me all about the evidence for any of the gods that aren’t the God of the Bible. Read There Is A God by Antony Flew, the worlds most notorious atheist comes to believe there is a God.
@@catlady9012 um okay? But let me just tell you, that you won’t find the kind of faith Pakistani Christians have or Christians from any third world country in the west. The West has failed us Christians.
well, I know this is completely out of context but, I am Mexican and went to college and worked in the US, and I can't help noticing the difference in your accent!!! Love it!!! God bless you!!!
I almost cried, when Justin said that Dawkins admitted that the wrongfulness of rape is arbitrary. Yet I was moved in super-positive ways also. Justin did an excellent job of refining this half hour into a very powerful potent expression of how true and loving and valuable Christ is. When Justin spoke of Christ expressing His value for us on The Cross Of His Love, I felt tears of joy behind my eyes. Paul wept as he wrote one of his epistles. The strength to weep is necessary if we are to accept Truth; both joyful tears and lamenting tears. Much love to you brother. 💕💗💞💓💖💝 Jesus bless you.
@ To become a person who has the wisdom to see the proof is a miracle of God. Christ Crucified is where you will find the proof, nowhere else. Even His resurrection is proven by The Crucifixion and nothing else. There is some good history, but that is far from proof. For me to even defend my own epistemology is very time consuming. If you are interested, you can subscribe to my channel. I'm going to make daily vocab videos which will clarify the Greek and Hebrew, and they will include thorough justification of the claims therein. Also, I'm working on a Greek Access New Testament which is designed exactly to offer access to study the original Greek, and will include a one-to-one translation in order to serve that purpose. I'm also going to write a book which will outline true Christianity. True Christianity is very different from what you have been shown; at least the differences are incredibly important differences. I'm not going to spend time to specifically debate you Jacob. I think you easily see why I won't do this. Really, I need to stop online debating all together and focus on my projects. However, online debating has prepared me for my projects, so it's not quite black and white. But Jacob, if you have genuine interest I am a good source. Vocab videos, that thoroughly demostrate their justification, probably won't offer you anything to troll though. I'm not sure how soon I'll start uploading, but soon enough for long term interest. Much love to you. 💕💗💞💓💖💝
@ My belief is Christianity which is trust in Christ, not churchianity which is trust in church. If you need to strawman Christ, then I see that you cannot refute Him. "Spread flat the gate and broad the way which leads to destruction, and many there be who go in thereat. Standing narrow the gate and crowded the way which leads to life, and few there be who find it. Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheeps clothing but inwardly are ravening wolves..." - Jesus the Christ Pretty clear that to cite those which Jesus Himself refuted is a very poor strawman. Now, I'm inclined to think you are simply an abusive person. You keep calling Him "dead Jesus" because you hope to be offensive. It's not enlightening nor informative to anyone when you assert that He is dead. "Buybull" at least says something, though after a full day of seeing you repeat that pun over and over, I didn't even notice the implication until just now, and before I thought it was just a silly way of spelling it phonetically. Your comments are not challenging and so they do not draw real attention, and so I didn't even bother to take a close look at "Buybull". The comments draw attention the way an annoying child might, but not in a debate sense. In the Bible "miracle" is either force/power or else an indication/sign. Your definition fits many of the events, but is not the meaning of the word in Scripture. The miracle I speak of is not a defiance of physical law but rather an indication of God's power, an event for which there is no other possible explanation. The wisdom of The Cross is beyond any human wisdom, and so cannot be a myth because no human has the wisdom capable to orchestrate such a myth. Nothing else compares. If you are given the wisdom to see that, then you will see it. The New Testament is a level of wisdom so drastically surpassing the best wisdom ego can offer, and without ego lying is impossible, so the Scripture cannot be lies either. Truth and wisdom and rightousness are one, so such wisdom requires righteousness, and so again cannot be lies. If you've noticed how pathetic trolls are, then you should easily see that Scripture is not a troll. The liars of this world demonstrate how pathetic the minds of liars are. For instance, Islam came from liars and it's absurd. Buddhism and Taoism are honest, and they are not absurd. Now, Jacob, if you do not have Truth then you are not aware how obvious, stupid, and pathetic lies are. If you were aware of that, you would see that Scripture is not lies. I remember what it was like to not see the difference, so I get where you are coming from. My point in speaking to you is to offer a bit of info, such as what I said about "miracle", but more so my point is just to let you know that you don't pose any challenging points or anything. If someone uses such weak refutation tactics, then obviously they wouldn't recognize strong refutation, because if so then they would use refutations that at least seem strong. If someone can't recognize strong debate, then I won't bother debating. I can't tell if you think there is merit in the points you state, or if you are just entertaining yourself with no regard to such merit.
@ We both know better than that Jacob; especially you. Whatever you are compensating for, Jesus will gladly heal it.
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@@nicholas3354 I have no need to compensate for anything. You must understand that I have everything you have spent your whole life failing to achieve. I never needed anyone's help along the way, I stood on my own. I am not weak and needy as you. I came by everything in my life without hurting anyone else, without doing anyone else a disservice. You need to examine your limitations and decide why you are the way you are.
Justin , as an agnostic atheist I have enjoyed your shows and your obvious general understanding of the opponents position especially when moderating ( this is rare in my experience) .....I'm still confused why you still believe! but hey we don't get to choose our beliefs . All the best . Jon
@leumasdiderot Thats a tad disingenuous ! I have no evidence to doubt his motives. I disagree with his conclusions for sure, but saying its all for money ???? do you have any evidence for this claim?
@leumasdiderot OK How much does he earn and tell me how you know this? How much also does he give to charity and how you know this? I dont think ad hominem attacks on believers especially when you seem to propose every theist is in it for the money, is a clever strategy. Show their erroneous irrational thinking, faulty logic and the deep routed fallaciousness in their ARGUMENTS , but dont just make up shit about someone you don't know and never met. You just come across as another angry atheist hurling insults everywhere. I dont think that helps the cause as people are defected from the real issues.
I truly appreciate that the host values civil discourse with people who think differently. That is generally not my experience with theist. My more common experience is threats on my well being. So good on you. But the primary things he fails to talk about about his innaccurate representations or strawmen of atheists and his innaccrate representstion that there is equal ground for theism as well as atheism. As done by most theists they dont understand atheism and present their arguments against something that doesnt exist and claim goodness when their argument succeeds. It is not an argument when the other side is not real. And his argument that both share equal and valid ground is wrong. No theist has ever come up with proof of god that amounts to anything more than this is how you want to feel. Most atheists come from religious backgrounds. We know intimately both sides of the argument. We dont have a strawman for what theist believe. We know it by your words, your actions, your beliefs, your holy texts and that we lived that life. Most have spent decades working it out and deconstructing. It is a painful process to slwoly realize what you were told, what you believe is not real. But like most people, when faced with truth, regardless of how painful it is, we must face it. And most atheists do not say there is no god. We believe that so far no evidence has been brought forth that proves that one exists. Most atheists, like myself are waiting for proof. Not the false apologetics arguments. Again, i appreciate his humor and wit and his, at least on the surface, willingness to engage in dialog with those that disagree with him, but if you are not willing to present your opposition truthfully or willingly misrepresent your own footing, you are not engaging in good faith. You are actually trying to discredit your opposition under the false light of being a good person. Please dont fall for this because it makes you feel better about yourself and your position. Growth is uncomfortable.
I believe most of us Christians had been in a journey of being an atheist at an early age when we deal with so many questions in our minds that seems impossible to be answered by God. but we continue to seek the answers that will satisfy us and eventually realize no Human opinions is really smart enough to give us all the evidence we needed to prove and disprove the existence of God. no wonder the Bible teaches that God will only exist through the word FAITH. Debating with the atheist is never really the answer as most of the comments I've read here. Instead of debating I believe it's better to pray for them. The Atheist is not the enemy but the one who gave them that idea which is the devil. So pray for them. Peace
Agree. Faith allows us to see from the perspective of God. Other than that, non-believers see it as foolish. Thus faith is a gift. No one can work for it.
And for what amazing reason do you have to pray for atheists? As we know that nothing fails like prayer it sounds like a pointless exercise. Perhaps you are better off ridding yourself of your ridiculous fantasies so that you can live in the real world. You are on a journey all right and the destination is stupidity central. Keep your condescending prayer offer to yourself!
Love his openess to friendly conversation. Sounds like he is the type of guy who would likely understand the importance of the principle of charity. I have plentry of questions I'd like to ask him......
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The Christian GOP (Grifters, Obstructionists & Pedophiles).
@@brando3342 It was an interesting debate, but it was a bit restricted for my taste. I'd much rather watch metaphysical showdowns. This one was more focused on legitimacy of religion backed conducts vs atheistic humanist ones. I'm not a guy that supports Matt on his humanist morality tirades, but I do think he is a power house of debate. He is very solid. I appreciate very much the hint. I'm not a theist but I do believe religion and Christianity have very usefull qualities to offer to social cohesion and moral high grounds. I think Christians and atheists should unite forces to push back mostly on Islam, which for me still holds very archaic practices that are spreading at full throttle in Africa, Asia, Middle East and transfiguring Europe with no going back. I very much wish people take Islam seriously and go to the frontlines, prozelitizng for western values and way of life.
The first argument can be easily dismissed by this: If the christian god is omnipotent then he can do whatever he wants i.e. if he wanted us to live on the sun then he would have made it so. The speaker tries to dip into both supernaturalism and naturalism. If the christian god is omnipotent you don't need exact conditions 'cause as we can read in the bible people were raised fron the dead and even donkeys could speak! So natural conditions as we know it are not an impediment for the christian god. 2.Regarding the rape issue and "morality". what about slavery? killing homosexuals? stoning your children for misbehaving? don't those also raise that "feeling of wrongness"? Yet they are condoned and commanded by the christian god. 3. The argument is framed from a binary point of view. Is christianity the only religion in the world? That "feeling" has also been fulfilled by other religious and non-spiritual believe systems. That feeling seems to be a place holder for a belief system (atheistic, theistic and everything in between), not necessarily christianity. Love the show!!
Christianity is fading away in the UK as more older believers die off not to be replaced by younger people. There used to be 3 churches in our village, now only one with a typical Sunday congregation of 20 - 30, mostly elderly women. Although I am an atheist, I recognise the value of the church in these peoples lives. I can understand how it gives them a feeling of belonging to a caring community and perhaps one of the few social contacts they have with others. I would be genuinely sad to see this last church closing, inevitable as it seems. There are few venues where people in this village can go and be welcomed unconditionally. Too many commuters, leaving early morning, returning in the evenings and having little to do with the village.
Hi Eric, since you are an atheist, your sadness at eventually seeing the last church in your town closed down means a lot. In the US, church attendance is also declining. Jesus even asked the rhetorical question, when he comes again, will he find faith on the earth? It seems the answer is, he won't.
Eric Henderson, religion co-opts, or claims as its own, that which is innately human: love, forgiveness, morality, togetherness, community... The paradigm is dying, the churches are shuttered, but the human traits remain. Start a weekly social group in your town, sing songs, have beliefs not requiring magic, do good things, take back what creed has left in its passing.
@@SkeptiQuest There is no logical reason for love, forgiveness, morality and all that bullshit for a real atheist. Actually you should stop being a hypocrite and co-opting those things from christians. We are going to be dead anyway. Why should we 'care' (as if that emotion should exist) what happens to the rest of humanity. Live your limited life to how you want and enjoy it to your full personal satisfaction.
I don't mean to be rude, but do you really find this convincing? You have to be ok with infinite punishment for finite crimes to believe in the Christian god. And if you claim that this Christian god is "good" then we have a problem.
Grateful for your edition regarding the Enneagram… it has been so misleading and harmful. Thankful you gave it airtime with both Wilson and Montenegro. The peril of Pragmatism was on display, but so was God’s sovereignty … it encouraged me to pray lots as well as to share the information with friends
I love the respect and kindness that you bring to this topic. I think there is a kind of fearlessness too, of allowing yourself to encounter beliefs that do not match your won. That shows a real depth of faith, and I thank you for sharing it with the world at a time when belief in our loving God seems to be so low.
That's usually the only valid argument for theists. Like for American who fight to keep guns even after all the tragedies that happen every year: I like gun! That's it.
@Roberto Not true. I am an Atheist and I am for banning guns, but I also acknowledge some of their valid points though it can be countered with facts. Come on now.
@@piage84 Your comment is an unmitigated disgrace! You must have ABSOLUTELY no knowledge or understanding of anything scientific or religious. Genetics and microbiology; Cosmology and physical laws; The fossil record of animal body phyla and NO incremental changes from extremely simple to super complexity, NO CHANGES FROM ONE SPECIES TO ANOTHER- DARWIN KNEW THIS BUT WAS HOPEFUL THEY WOULD BE FOUND-THEY DO NOT EXIST! Mutations do not introduce information. The universe had a cause and ALMOST all scientists know this, etc.! This DOESN'T even scratch the surface of your incompetent comment!
Do any of you have even a modicum of knowledge or understanding of the Bill of Rights? The right to have and bear arms is for the purpose of an American people being able to defend themselves from a Federal or State government that becomes tyrannical, read the FEDERALIST PAPERS and documents and such by the founders that founded this country. The comments like these are a product of a people that are immoral and uninformed and the FOUNDERS said that we could only govern ourselves if we are a MORAL AND INFORMED people. The atheistic scientists and the party of the democrats (not every democrat), the colleges and UNIVERSITIES and government schools, the atheistic media OPPOSE EVERYTHING THAT IS RIGHTEOUS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THE WHOLE BILL OF RIGHTS! The people in this country are allowing Fascism ( a centralized government that controls everything- dictionary definition of Fascism) to dictate to a people who are driven by UNMITIGATED IGNORANCE and EMOTE LIKE A RUNAWAY FREIGHT TRAIN. GOD'S BREATHED WORDS CALLED THE BIBLE command all people everywhere to repent and turn to HIM and believe the gospel of God about Jesus the ANOINTED ONE (Christ ) whom He sent to cleanse us of sin if we will believe him. His is the only name given under heaven to men by which it is NECESSARY for SALVATION!
I love your great stamina and valor, Justin, dealing with formidable set of challenging views towards God, science, and nature while carefully taking a good care of differences.
Fantastic talk. I loved every minute of it. However, I find that most atheists and agnostics don't have a clue what God is about, even though they say they do. They tell me they refuse to worship anyone and then give me a handful of reasons why we shouldn't worship God. Well, you can search the Bible cover to cover and there is not even one verse that says, "I am God; worship me." In fact, God says the exact opposite. Here are some examples: - Isaiah 1 : 11: “What makes you think I want all your sacrifices?” says the LORD. “I am sick of your burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fattened cattle. I get no pleasure from the blood of bulls and lambs and goats." - Isaiah 1 : 14 : "I hate your new moon celebrations and your annual festivals. They are a burden to me. I cannot stand them! When you lift up your hands in prayer, I will not look. Though you offer many prayers, I will not listen, for your hands are covered with the blood of innocent victims." - 1 Samuel 15 : 22: “What is more pleasing to the LORD: your burnt offerings and sacrifices or your obedience to his voice? Listen! Obedience is better than sacrifice, and submission is better than offering the fat of rams. Rebellion is as sinful as witchcraft, and stubbornness as bad as worshiping idols." - Hosea 6 : 6: "I want you to show love, not offer sacrifices. I want you to know me, more than I want burnt offerings. But like Adam, you broke my covenant and betrayed my trust." - Psalm 51 : 16: King David writes: "You do not desire a sacrifice, or I would offer one. You do not want a burnt offering. The sacrifice you desire is a broken spirit. You will not reject a broken and repentant heart, O God." - Hebrews 10 : 8: First, Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” (though they are required by the law of Moses)." - Jeremiah 7 : 22: "When I led your ancestors out of Egypt, it was not burnt offerings and sacrifices I wanted from them. This is what I told them: ‘Obey me, and I will be your God, and you will be my people. Do everything as I say, and all will be well!’ “But my people would not listen to me. They kept doing whatever they wanted, following the stubborn desires of their evil hearts. I have continued to send my servants, the prophets. But my people have not listened to me or even tried to hear. They have been stubborn and sinful." - Mark 2 : 27: "Then Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath." IN CONCLUSION, God did not reveal himself to humanity in order to be worshipped. God wants to be loved, like a father. In fact, the first line of the Lord's Prayer is: "Our father who art in heaven." When people worship God, it's because they want to and because they love him. Worship is not something God has demanded of us. That idea is clearly a myth not supported by scripture.
Lol, maybe you should pitch your idea to Christians rather than atheists. Anyways Yahwe does demand total compliance and a temple to be built for him and he often demands specific sacrifices.
@@MrCmon113 : God only intervened when the Hebrews chose idols to worship. Basically, God's response to idol worship was this: "If you insist on worshiping something, then here's the way I want you to do it." In the beginning, God did not ask to be worshipped. The rebellious Hebrews forced him to take a stand.
1.5k likes / 135 dislikes Thank you, Justin, for this presentation. *_1 Corinthians _**_2:14_**_ But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated._*
Vgiven this facts what decision will you make You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven. If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell c) Bring no children
Compensatory fantasies have real utility. They protect the mind from harsh realities and give meaning and purpose where there might be none. Religion organizes thoughts and emotions around beliefs that cannot be falsified, protecting them from the intrusions of an often vague and indifference reality. The danger of these fantasies is that they divorce the mind from reality and force a worldview willing to accept ideas not based on falsifiable evidence but experience and desires. Our nascent ego-centrism is difficult to overcome, and often leads our minds to think existence is centered on us. It is no surprise god is described as a 'father' and his faithful 'children'. At the core of religion seems to be a need to satisfy the inner child unwilling to accept this material, godless reality.
@Paul Morgan Whatever claims religion makes about death cannot be falsified. At best they are fantasy, at worst an open manipulation of our greatest fear as mortal minds.
I do enjoy the podcast, thank you. As an atheist (but former Christian) listening to the debates assures me more then ever that the Abrahamic god is pure fiction, and reminds me how free I am from sin and hell and heaven and evil. It’s bliss.
Justin seems to be a really nice guy but his logic is very doubtful. He presents 3 arguments for theism but they are seriously flawed: 1) the fine tuning of the universe proves god. Better minds than Justin’s like Einstein and Stephen Hawking understand the universe profoundly but conclude atheism. What’s Justin expertise in this field? 2) the natural dignity of people proves god. He gives the example of Bogota police assassinating street children. Big problem: Bogota is the capital of Columbia, an incredibly religious country with well over 90% Christians. Where’s Christian dignity? Look at most religious countries notably those in the Middle East, central and South America and compare them to the most secular countries like Japan, Norway, Sweden, etc. It’s obvious which places value human dignity more. 3) life has purpose therefore god. But ultimately he offers zero evidence of this purpose. And zero evidence for this god. Nice try Justin but maybe you should listen more to your atheist guests. The supernatural god you believe in is as fantastic as witches, talking snakes, angels and those other many superstitions from biblical history. It’s like your three arguments - entirely wishful thinking.
Dr. Robert M. Price is correct. The existence of Christ is a myth. listen to Bible Scholar Dr. Richard C. Miller on his discoveries about Christianity while studying other religions. He came to the conclusion that Christianity is full of lies. Rabbi Tovia Singer Exposes New Testament Lies. How Christians lie in the new testimony about Christ. It seems more and more that Christianity is fake and Christians are just a bunch of thieves.
Dude doesn't understand(or is just lying) how math, probabilities or physics work but pretends he found that science prove god. I was cringing so hard.
The God story reminds me of something my father, my childhood beacon to the world, would be capable of: adopting a pet from a shelter and having it killed in front of me to show how much he loves and cares about me.
Your statement a disinformative lie. It would be like if your dad adopted a dog and the dog gave its life willingly in the midst of an armed robbery against you and your family by jumping infront of bullet fire so you had time to get away and live. Don't lie about the Christian faith, it doesnt help your view. Jesus GAVE HIS LIFE WILLINGLY. He knew God would revive him and though we are evil sinners he paved the way into life.
@@lightningmtaylor jeusus gave his life in this mythological story because that’s what people thot was a good remedy for curing psychological issues back then…human sacrifice. Christianity also borrowed the flood myth, water/wine, virgin birth from previous myths. The credulity from todays people is mind blowing.
@@zachg8822 Now I know you can't be taken seriously. No historian or scholar would deny that Jesus exsisted. Scholars use the bible to confirm early jewish events. Again your lies are easily pointed out, you have no argumentd facts or evidence. If you reply to me again it better only be facts otherwise im not wasting my time reading more lies
@@zachg8822 given this facts what decision will you make You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven. If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell c) Bring no children12
Alhamdulillah. Hallelujah. By listening to refined ideas of Christian thinkers, I find my way illuminated towards understanding Islam and other religions from a different perspective.
Would he feel that life is valueless if he was considered to be invaluable? The truth is that if you don’t know where you will be, you will have to consider all human life to be valuable. The kids in the sewers believed that their lives were valuable.
@20july1944 I didn't look at it, no. I'm not so sure you should worry about that so much though, like I said before. The truth will be found by those who honeslty seek it. It doesn't matter if there are some heckler atheists.
@@brando3342 I'm sure you SHOULD worry about it, so ONE of us is RIGHT and ONE of us is WRONG. VISIT the comments sections of a few "Unbelievable" episodes unless you're too busy or important. There is a former Christian pastor (he says) whose name is David Johnson and his anti-Christian "ministry" seems to be lying in wait when the recordings of the "Unbelievable" episodes are posted, and he's there FIRST with snide critiques of how evil Christianity is and how stupid Christians are. If you don't even check this out, you're lazy and useless, although not as lazy and useless as Justin Brierley, who has the ultimate responsibility in this regard.
23:25 again with the tiresome failure to grasp the basics of evolution. The values we hold are precisely those which are fitted to an obligate social mammal. So they aren't "arbitrary". Any individuals who behaved as if their kin and clan were valueles, or only as valuable as a spider or a rock, would soon find themselves without the relationships they'd need to forage effectively, protect themselves and raise children.
Thank you Justin! Great talk and love your program. I especially enjoyed the program with Stephen Meyer. As a biologist I see the evidence of God (his fingerprint) all over the place.
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I see the fine tuning argument that Justin believes in as an argument from incredulity. Our primitive (although many would deny that) and severely limited cognitive powers are enough for Christians to feel certain they have found *the* answer to everything? Please. Everything that belief provides an answer to the Christian can be explained by the only type of reality we have- naturalism. There is no precedence for existence of a supernatural reality. Just because we honestly, humbly say the truth which is ‘we don’t know’ does not then mean,God. I have not seen nor heard anything from reading,listening to hours of Christian debate, which compels me to believe what I consider to be a problematic, contradictory, error-filled, at times fraudulent,and pedestrian story. This series of books is supposed to represent magnificence beyond comprehension? Please.
Hv watched a few good debates where justin has shown good comprehension..the only way i can explain his faith, despite being on the weak side of these debates, is that of sunk costs that are way to big..the power of the emotions to utterly override reason is beyond question...
There are many Christians, Hindus, Atheists and Muslims too. Faith is not dead. All these groups have a faith position. However, secularism does have a big influence in the UK.
@FreedomInTruth Can you demonstrate your relationship with God? How could you possibly know what anybody truely believes? Also cant deny he exsists? How about for years now we have been demonstrating how its possible he canNOT exsist. Law of noncontridiction for a start.
@@fr33thinker69 While I don't necessarily agree with FreedomInTruth. I believe that on God would know the heart of man so it's not my place or any man to say who is or is not a true Christ follower. It is possible one could demonstrate their relationship with God via the fruit of their labor. It's not to say they must work to have salvation, but rather they must work to be a light to others and honor God. Anyone can deny God. That is free will at work. Possible God canNOT exist, but less and less probable the more we learn about our universe and the beginnings of life on this Earth. I don't believe the law of non-contradiction proves the non-existence of God.
@@JohnsonJLB Sorry was a bit blunt, i mean from every definition of God so far, It would seem none have been proven possible to exsist, i dont claim A god cant exsist, but certainly any theist God it would seem cannot or does not exsist given the history of religion from the last 40000 years till now. Have all been created by humans, and nothing of divinity.
@@JohnsonJLB Also i dont think you can choose what you believe, i think your conviced of somthing or not. So in that sense i would say its impossible, and also no confirmed mind readers yet. In terms of judging by somebodys actions i can see your point to some extent, I dont accept it as an arguement tho for the fact that not only are there many religions, but also the disagreements between people of the same faith, read scripture differently. So if they cant agree on their own religion again, how can anyone know to a certainity exactly what a person believes.
I honestly thought this guy was an atheist or skeptic. He always seems very even-handed on his show, sometimes even more friendly to the skeptical side than to the Christian side. It takes courage to open up and let your guard down to the opposition and he has done that many times.
Thank you. I became a Christian late in life and no other Holy Books of any other Faith makes sense to me. Many differing faiths are things of beauty and of great interest, and I enjoyed learning of them; however, the Bible actually provides all the answers to what we are searching for.
@leumasdiderot The horrors of what you mention have nothing to do with God. Humanity has free will. We are all flawed and often are unable to live a life that is fulfilling to both God and ourselves. But we choose. We are not automatons. God will not force anyone to do good or choose the right path. Force is not an option. Sadly, many, many people choose to do the wrong thing. Rape, murder, mass shootings and terror of all kinds toward the innocent and not so innocent. But it is not God doing these things. It is us. We choose to do right .. or we choose to do wrong.
@@carnap355 I believe the entire Bible but I would never pull out random passages to prove a point for anything. The entire Bible must be considered from Genesis to Revelation. Much of the Bible is carefully recorded history (proven) and much is cultural at the time of Christ. The Old Testament (Torah) is history and the law given by God to his people. For myself, I find that it is necessary to look at the entirety for understanding.
@leumasdiderot Sir, I am sorry for the life you must have had and the things that hurt you. I cannot understand your bitterness because only you know that. I choose now to end this conversation and hopefully your life is happy and fulfilling in whatever you choose to do with it.
Fantastic! I love this way of believe in God. I am believer, but have a brain to see the world and notice that there is a Creator who love us and give purpose to our lives. The Lord bless you all!
It's not a problem at all actually. I understand Alex O Connor says a bunch of bullshit, But there's no reason you should accept everything that falls out of his mouth uncritically. Besides Thomism blows that whole objection out of the water.
@@thepalegalilean so convenient for you to say that an obvious issue of animal suffering is just bullshit and move off... simply calling major objections against your worldview bullshit is not gonna do any good...
If only we were better empiricists. If only questions weren't regardeded as answers. The we could see each as rational, spiritual children; fruit of one tree.
@@johngurvan8279 judging by 0 replies & your failed attempt to sound clever towards a video of a person who has shown the upmost respect towards atheists (actually should say agnostics as I don't believe atheists actually exists) Perhaps if you would have shared your sentiment with examples done with an intellectually honest take more people would have cared. Heck, perhaps even I would have found it interesting. No worries though, I know no cares about most of my comments either if that adds any consolation 😉 Cheers!
@@NuanceOverDogma I got 4 likes you have none. Just because you think atheists don't exist so what. I made a statement and you were stupid enough to reply. No we are even
@@johngurvan8279 Aww I didn’t mean to make you cry. 4 likes for a 3 month old comment. Oh boy I didn’t realize how amazing & incredibley clever you really were. Are you the "Amazing Atheist" incognito here to own the Christians with that god level wit oops I mean spaghetti monster level wit. Wow 4 likes in only 3 months, I’m still in utter shock & awe at how profound your comment truly was. Silly me to get you triggered so much that you ignored most of the points I made. Must be hard being so popular that you get flooded by 4 likes. btw is one of those like from you?
Next time you see a license plate ask yourself, what are the chances that you would see that exact number on that plate!!!! Very small. It must be a miracle. The truth is, if the dice rolls differently, then life would look different.
“Your list of possible theories on the origins of the universe are as impossible to prove as my absolute certainty that it’s a very specific god, therefore, your uncertainty is wrong, and my certainty is right.” This is not an argument, it’s an assertion, and it’s unfalsifiable. Stop saying science supports you. It does not.
Harry Silvio either everything came out of nothing for no reason; or it came out of nothing because God made it. Both are faith positions. Did you not watch the video section about chance? People don’t believe in God because they don’t want to. Funny how most of the famous scientists who actually discovered stuff have believed in God
@@markmywords8013 that's a false dichotomy. The universe we see need not have come from nothing. And unless you are claiming that God is the only "nothing" with "reason". "God" is not the opposite of "no reason" I think this argument tries so hard to disprove natural causes that it relegates god to being nothing but a rock to rest the beginning of the universe on and nothing like the god of the bible.
Um I also see love and beauty and meaning in things. That doesn’t make Christianity any less false. You can have meaning in life and have a sense of awe for the mystery of the world without being religious.
"You can have meaning in life and have a sense of awe for the mystery of the world without being religious." That is quite correct. The question is *why* do you feel that sense of meaning? Where does that come from? *Why* do you feel that sense of awe? Again - where does that _come from?_
@@rubiks6 I have to explain this to people all the time but they keep coming back with "You give your own life meaning" that's what majority of humanists say.
@@iemerald7781 - It is your Creator that gives you meaning. If I am a potter, I decide if the pot I made is a decorative piece, used as a container, a chamber-pot, broken into potshards for tools, or simply thrown away. It is your Creator that gives you meaning.
I enjoyed delivering this talk! For signed copies of the book it’s based on 'Unbelievable? Why, after ten years of talking with atheists, I'm still a Christian' www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Unbelievable-the-Book
Then you need to pay attention when you are listening to atheists in future. You obviously would not come out with such presuppositional garbage if you were delivering this diatribe in any European country. Your arguments are so weak that I thought this was from the 1950's. Bye-the-way Richard Dawkins is not the best atheist debater out there. He may have been 12 years ago but he could not compare with Hitchens .Matt Dillahunty, Paulogia and lots of others.
Justin, it's interesting how you poo poo naturalism. Every thing so far that we attributed to the supernatural we found to be due to natural forces. What in your life do you see the supernatural? Demonstrate it, do that and I'll believe it.
@@tomsheehy1 Would you agree with me that SOMEthing has always existed, for us to be here now?
@@zach2980 Would you agree with me that SOMEthing has always existed, for us to be here now?
@@20july1944 No, I don't know. Do you?
I'm an atheist, but really enjoy your work. Thanks very much. Thanks for bringing people together with opposing views in a kindly debate. We need so much more of that right now.
He's making a pretty annoying strawman of an atheist position
@@FinneousPJ1 All atheist positions are strawman approaches, though. All the new atheist's arguments all posit the same approach and argue the same points. Less a few subtle differences betwixt them about objective morality. It's just the same approach to debating religious folks. It's a simple format really...
@@jshauns I have no idea what you mean. Can you elaborate what you mean?
@@FinneousPJ1
Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Dillahunty, all use the same presuppositional straw man approach when debating religious figures. Take belief in God, make a juxtaposed argument to some bad actor, who had belief in god, equate bad acts to god belief, bingo-bango, religion is bad. Religious figures do the same exact technique when arguing against secular humanism. Hitler was an atheist; therefore, atheism and atheists are bad. (This argument is fallacious on the surface - which is what makes it a strawman approach). “I’m not going to address what you say, I’m going to attack something else.”
I am simply stating that the approach of the atheist’s is the same. None are that concerned with consciousness and where it comes from, and more the point where it resides - except for maybe Harris, who has a more mindfulness approach than the others. The rest are solely out to rail against religion. They will arise at some hyperbolic place where ‘I don’t know, and that’s okay’ is typically used to just explain away key tenets of the human experience.
I am in no way saying what they are implying is wrong - just that, these many debates will have their assumed winners based on the predisposition of the audience. Harris is not going to make a compelling enough argument to convert areligious people, en masse after one debate. Just as Lennox won’t convert, in masse, a group of Secularists to Christianity after one debate. Sure, there may be a few, but I’m talking a lot. UA-cam is an echo chamber of ideas and can generally find like-minded individuals to latch on to.
@@jshauns Even if you're correct, that does nothing to demonstrate your claim "all atheist positions are strawman approaches", which is ridiculous. There is one atheist position, which is the rejection of theistic claims.
Furthermore, you are not correct. Dillahunty, for example, tends to ask what theists believe and why and go from there. How is that strawmanning?
And even if it is, that does not excuse the strawmanning of this speaker. So you fail on many levels lol
I’ve been experiencing a period of doubting my faith lately but I couldn’t put into words why I couldn’t reject my Christian faith even in my doubt I just couldn’t reject Jesus and after listening to this Justin put into words everything that I was feeling. Something in me just knows that it’s true. Thank you so much after hearing this I’ve fallen in love with the gospel all over again.
it's called indoctrination or brainwashing.
you don't know it's true it was just drilled into your head at such a young age to lie his become instrumental to your being
it isn't true, and it's not leaving god or heading for hell because - no god and no hell. i've been atheist all my life, and i've had a pretty amazing life, god makes no difference, and if you hadn't noticed god hasn't made the slightest difference to human nature in 2000 years, the only advances in morality have actually come from secular sources, it wasn't the catholics decided to end the inquisition, it's not chrisitans allowing same sex marriage, it's not christians approving of homosexuality, religions are bully enablers and that's all "it's not ME burning you alive, my GOD demands it" - quit, go enjoy life, stop worrying about the sky daddy - he isn;t there.
I don't struggle with faith which isn't to say that I have all the answers to my questions..I still, in many ways struggle with why God allows certain kinds of pain and suffering but I know there was reason for the pain and suffering of Christ on the cross so that's where my mind goes when I see suffering that "seems" arbitrary. I think the Christian faith, the Bible has the best explanatory reasons why the world is the way it is in terms of humanity and its fallen nature...also, there's so much to sift through ie the laws of logic, the laws of physics, the moral law, the eye witness testimony of Scripture, the historisity of Jesus of Nazareth..it really is a cumulative case. Lastly, since neither God nor evolution can be proved we rely on inference to come to the best conclusion..so even atheists have faith. Faith is only as good as the object in which it's placed. If we consider all the aforementioned God is incomprehesively great..beyond what we can apprehend about Him in regard to all of those things..so I think the Christian has the best reasons for placing their faith in Christ...I could go on with respect to having an eternal perspective on life..and on and on..
@@cynthiahample7793 wow that was just a pile of garbage first of all the gospels don't even claim to be an eyewitness account they're written in the third person they were oral traditions for generations and written down anonymously and then centuries later attributed authors. The gospels speak of the Vincent no one was there to witness the gospel of Mark speaks of Mark as a separate person there is zero reason to think any of that is true we know they aren't eyewitness accounts there is no getting around that that is a fact
Thankyou, this is exactly what i needed. Im a teenager from britain who struggles and i searched you up because you commented on a great book called ask. I didn't expect to watch the whole video, especiappy when i saw that it was 35 minutes. But it completely lifter me up off the ground. Thankyou
Hey Anna , I'm a teenager also. Hope you are ok 👍
Keep your faith firm love.❤️🦋
Yes he is nice......I’m British too....... just remember no matter how nice someone is , god is still imaginary 🤪
@@jerichosharman470 he ain’t, you’re just deluded but that’s okay you’re not unique there are people many like you😔
@@sandershano5758 lol......ever notic pe,god is always invisible and barely speaks except in peoples heads? Yes ....god is imaginary ......wether it is Zeus , Brahma, Vishnu , Yahweh , Baal......or the invisible talking rabbit ........it’s all in the head
I am an atheist and really appreciate Justin. He is really good at having positive conversations. He does give us an example of being able to respectfully engage one another.
watch a few of his videos where there aren't any atheists around to "be nice to"...
Yeah tbh I’m a theist but really dislike militant theists and militant atheists, because I think debates on this channel can give better answers for both sides
Same! It’s really inspiring
Hope you find the truth - Christ is alive! 🙏😁🌟
For what crime did Roman's slaughter early Christians? Atheism! Look it up. You are in the best of good company! Peace be with you and yours :)
Thank you Justin. I have been a Christian for more than 40 years and never doubted the existence of God as the creator of the universe and life, that is why I am completing a degree in Religious Studies and Philosophy, after Education. The Big Conversation Debates I have watched on UA-cam have been so interesting and motivating for me to do my part in sharing my thoughts in French & Spanish on the existential questions I had since the age of 10, although I am a nube techwise. You are encouraging me to share my experience and study on this subject I am so passionate about.
given this facts what decision will you make
You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven.
If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision
a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven
b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell
c) Bring no children
do you have free will not to create who you know will end up in hell, do you have that choice either to create or not create? or it is God forced to create the ones he knows will be in eternal torture@joeturner9219
@joeturner9219why not Mohammed, Brahma, or Buddha? We know 90% of belief comes down to where you are born. If you live a good life for 80 years helping others, but you aren’t christian, you go to hell, FOR ETERNITY. Sounds fair. Free will is always a great response to believers of another creed why they are wrong. Okay Jesus is the answer, which of the 5000 + denominations do I choose. Some are accepting, but many believe only their fanboys make it to heaven.
As a christian biologist I highly value your work
Are you a creationist, or a biologist who is Christian and doesn't take the bible seriously?
I’ve been having a long conversation with a friend over the course of several months. She’s a 1.) witch 2.) evolutionist. How should the Christian approach the idea of evolution?
Being a Christian biologist must be a very difficult line to walk considering everything we know about biology is rooted in evolution
@@colereece3902 the first step to discussing evolutions actually learn what evolution is. So many Christians I talked to try to disprove things that evolution has never said.
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Must be as difficult as being a Christian and wearing Mixed fabrics.
Young Earth creationism is probably amuch smaller group than you might think. It is a very vocal group tough.
The majority of Christians (outside the US) probably consider creation in 6 days a metaphor just like many other stories in the Bible. They recognise the evidence for evolution is overwhelming, and consider evolution part of the method via which God created life.
God bless you and your ministry, Justin!
You host it so Eloquently and objectively, Your show is simply brilliant. I don't miss it. Thanks Justin from Australia
Thanks for joining us Justin!! So happy to have had you speak and we can't wait to have you back!
I'm not a Christian believer but I really admire what you're doing and I love your channel man... please do keep it up!
I’m personally a Hindu but I love watching this channel and it’s free discussion.
As a life long atheist I have always looked forward to the debates and conversations organised by Justin. Keep it going.
Hey man may I ask you this question. Why are you an atheist. Your life goal is to tell Christians why they are wrong why is it your life goal is not to tell the truth?
@salty please look forward to Muslim speakers also and consider them. If you dismissed others to wait for a Christian apologist then you need to think again.
I'm glad you are hearing the case out Salty Dodger, (if that is your real name). Many of the 'new atheists' are antagonistic, but I think that arrogance has proven to be bad for them. The thing is, they are really coming from an 'I don't know' position, but acting like 'know it alls'. They have reasons for doubt. Ok. It's understandable. Doubts and a willingness to hear go a long way, and you seem like you may be that way. If so, great.
It takes time as the case for God and Christianity is immense and you may have barely scratched the surface. At times the most searching sceptics become strong defenders of the faith, like CS Lewis and J Warner Wallace more recently (a top notch detective bringing excellent angles on the subject. He's online and in books.) So if you don't mind running that risk, good for you. A hope for an eternity of love, joy and peace, beats out resting in peace forever, in my book.
(Which doesn't compare with Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell.)
Here's some other things you could find here on UA-cam. Videos by Dr James Tour and Dr Stephen C Meyers, Dr William Lane Craig for the Moral argument and others. Biblical archeology is proven again and again, most especially around the burnt peak of Mt Sinai in Saudi Arabia, (maybe check out Ryan Mauro's video and see the monolithic split Rock of Moses with its water erosion and many, many other Biblically correlating sites.), the Red Sea Crossing with its Egyptian size and style wheels in the sea corals and so on, is incredible Shall I keep going? There's the vast issue of the prophecies Christ fulfilled. Did you know that Dr Michael Brown never lost a debate with Jewish scholars? It's because of the case and his knowledge of it. Amazing subject, strong in giving faith as fulfilling the miraculous trends to be. Which leads to the resurrection. No shortage of those videos, as it is vital. While our extra Biblical evidence for Christ from the first century increases to solidify with new finds, the people want physical forensic evidence. Have you studied the Shroud? How about the incredibly matching headcloth of Christ in Oviedo. Even the blood type matches with the Shroud, AB. Also the Shroud tested positive for Bilirubin which comes from torture. Amazingly the crown of thorns plant pollen from early Jerusalem is still on the Shroud, but just the start of that evidence. Near Death Experiences are fascinating. Modern miracles in Mozambique are truly powerful, and PhD tested before and after prayer. Astonishing results! Yet there are so many more healings in Jesus name occurring there.
But beyond all these things and much more, there is the spiritual birth given you by God. "His Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.", Paul said.
"God is Spirit" so really the issue is a spiritual one. Ultimately that is where He will make Himself known to you. Do you want Him to?
I hope this helps. I'll pray for you.
@@johnvirgilio5323 Many of the atheists are not what you think they are. The person you are replying have just proved my point . But you will rather assume than talking with (not to) them.
Thanks, I'll continue to try to humbly tread where the evidence leads where ever that might be but not lead the evidence to any prior conclusions, the essence of scepticism in my opinion.
Dear Justin, God bless you and your family and the Christian radio. 💙👍🏻✝️
So powerful and refreshing. Experiencing a supernatural encounter with Christ is difficult to explain, but is tangible and real. I hope everyone takes this question seriously enough to explore it sincerely. They will undoubtedly come to the end of themselves and find Gods grace is the answer.
I am a Muslim and appreciate Justin's shows a lot. Enjoyed this talk as well. Keep it up Justin, God Bless you!
Which YHWW or Allah
@@sauravcyrus1935 Nice try. But YHWH, Elohim, Theos (Deus) and Allah are all interchangeable words for "God", linguistic symbols pointing to the same God, given that they are all Abrahamic faiths.
@@tobysanghera5829 believe me you don't want to associate with the god described in quran.
@@MorbiusBlueBallsThe same goes for the G-d of the Torah and Bible; your point being??
I’m a Christian and I appreciate the work you do keep it up and God bless
If you actually got an education and verified the thing as a scum bags as you wouldn't be thanking him you would be cussing him out.. I'm sorry you prefer comforting lies over harsh reality. You still believe in Santa Claus too
if he said, belief in God, that might make more sense, it's not just athiests who don't believe in the Christian God, it's the vast majority of the planet
I am a Muslim. I really enjoy your programs and have learned a lot.
Watch Christian Prince
And I appreciate people like you man. I believe Muslims, Jews and Christians are uniting as one super faith!
@@blakechradini7235 not paying attention to the real world are you? Or what those other Faith's even say.
Brilliant. I'm JACKED about God's love and hope!
God loves you 😘😘😘🙏
what love and what hope?
@@ivanleon6164 Here's to all the losers,
Who lose all guilt and sin,
Here's to Life in Jesus,
Where all of the losers win.
@@JWCFB OK...
@@JWCFB. You are hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
This brought me to tears. Thank you, Justin.
II came to Christianity through science. When I find an inscription in the sand I think it's common sense to think a human wrote it, whereas a militant atheist would believe that crabs and sea motion over the millennia wrote that single phrase. It simply doesn't make sense. As a former atheist, former agnostic, and now a believer in Christ I sincerely thank the new atheists who with their so-far futile attempts to debunk the Christian faith and replace it with their naturalistic and irrational faith make my faith in GOD and Christ stronger because it is based on firmer ground. And for this, I must deeply thank Justin Brierley and the precious debates he hosts in his show that compare the two worldviews.
Yay another new Christian that came to faith through science. It’s rare for me to find new Christians especially those through science!
You may have some familiarity with science, but your logic is abominable.
When you find writing in the sand you know it for what it is because you've seen writing before many times and you know how it is made. Your "common sense" about that is nothing but accumulated experience. Please tell us about your travels to other universes which you saw many universes being made by a god or gods, that informs you that this universe was similarly designed and made.
If the entire universe was necessarily designed by a god, then we have no examples to look at of something that wasn't so designed, and therefore no way to tell the difference between the two.
@@yekatyaap548 do not be surprised. Science, in the first place, has been a product of the Christian world view that there was a design to be discovered in nature. Chines did not invent science because they were convinced that the world was in a precarious equilibrium between the forces of chaos and order. Greeks believed in the logos and not in the fact that there were natural laws to be discovered through guided experiments. Christians were convinced that being made in the image of God they had the intellect to find out the laws written In nature by the law giver.
@@scotte4765 I’m not an English native speaker but it is clear that in labeling my logic abominable you are not trying to be nice to me and unfortunately I am a too young new Christian to be nice to a jerk like you. With my comment I was really paying respect to atheists that struggle to search the truth. Anyway you entirely missed the point. It is exactly the experience that let me know that there is an intelligent cause when I see Information . I stop here. Stay safe.
@@bhocatbho I wasn't trying to be nice to you, or to be mean to you. You opened yourself up to public response by posting a comment here, so I gave you an honest response to the argument you gave. I saw nothing in your comment that paid respect to atheists. You made an absurd characterization of what you think atheists "would believe" and then labeled that mischaracterization as not making sense. You said atheists' attempts to debunk Christian faith were futile and claimed they have "irrational faith" that is on weaker ground than yours. Your "thanking" of atheists was the equivalent of saying, "you're so stupid and wrong, it has helped reinforce how right I am, so thanks".
Please tell me what you think atheists should regard as respectful in all of that. If you're going to write a paragraph that misrepresents and mocks atheists in multiple ways, why are you surprised when an atheist doesn't respond with "oh boy, thank you"?
Your understanding of the history of the development of science is simplistic, distorted, and abominable as well, by the way.
Empowering! Great encouragement for faith in the Christian God. Love these statements: "What we think we know about science isn't pointing away from God, it's pointing to God". "When it comes to making sense of human existence - God is the best explanation". Loved the video. Jesus is Lord.
luckily science is right even if you don't like it, i'd like to see how long anyone would last without - well your phone for a start, all the way through to hospitals and medicine, you really are ungrateful, god KILLS people for goodness sake, even his own son, when i say "save starving children" i get told god doesn't do that - that's your god, doesn't care who dies.
at what stage is god involved then? at the quantum level? atomic? molecular? where is god getting his hands dirty, for me to have free will he can't touch my body can he? how is god an explanation of anything, how does god help surgery? where was god at nuremburg? humans have to doo all this bollocks, god has NEVER put in an appearance.
Christian God??????🤣
given this facts what decision will you make
You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven.
If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision
a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven
b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell
c) Bring no children
@@a.39886 The idea in itself of heaven or hell is horrible. They are the fruit of a paranoid mind.... Let children alone. Don't scare them or ruin their life with your horrible ideas, man!
Thank you Justin. You're explanation revived my faith.
*your
_"You're explanation revived my faith"_
it's good that he's explanation revived your faith :)
given this facts what decision will you make
You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven.
If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision
a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven
b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell
c) Bring no children..
@@a.39886 d) Don't pretend that people go to heaven or hell when they die. The Bible doesn't teach such nonsense. People who die are dead, forever, unless they are resurrected when Christ returns. People don't burn in hell for eternity. Such an idea is utterly abhorrent and thoroughly unbliblical.
@@blackfalkon4189 LOL
"It would be very strange for us to find ourselves in a universe where we could not exist" Lawrence Krauss.
The defense of Justin Brierley about Christianity is highly relatable to different degrees of intellect of different minds, logical and rational, compelling to ascribe to the biblical story of Christianity.
Talking to atheists helps me stay Christian!
Are you a comic? That`s the craziest thing I have ever heard.
Sameee lol. I just feel bad for them.
Talking to Christians helps me stay atheist!
@@padfootfan123 And when you see some of the intellectuals on both sides of the issue, it boggles my mind when either side belittles the other as unintelligent.
@@joetunon agreed. One's faith doesn't determine one's intelligence. There are idiots everywhere.
I do not object to Justin remaining a Christian despite his dialogues with atheists over the years, but I found myself having to say, over and over again, no, that is not what atheists believe. At no point did Justin provide a steel man representation of the atheist position and instead tended towards straw manning. Disappointing to say the least.
To be fair, if you're claiming a Christian worldview is superior to a secular worldview, you pretty much have to straw man the atheist position at that point.
@@themilkmanshallrise1885 True.
It bugs me as well. He makes a claim about the universe being fine tuned. We say prove it.
Such a wonderful man. Thank you!
I am a firm believer in my creator God almighty and after years of trying to bring
This guy is the best moderator I’ve ever seen
I love the fact that after so many years he's still so dishonest about almost everything he says. He's been corrected about almost any point he's making but he just doesn't care - he just want to make believe.
I have begun watching or listening to “Unbelievable?” for the past 6 months or so and I think it is great. I in particular like the impartiality that Justin showed during every debate. It’s great to see Justin proclaiming his faith in this video but it may not do good to his show because people might think he is biased.
I'm an atheist who's watched quite a few of his show's episodes, and he does a fantastic job remaining unbiased. He's one of the best moderators of talks like these, period.
@@majm4606 unbiased? really? watch some of the "whats an atheist" episodes where he's not being watched.
@@HarryNicNicholas A quick search for those episodes turned up nothing, and it doesn't sound like it's part of his moderation (which is where I'm saying he's acting unbiased, and he has from all the talks I've seen).
Great talk! Thank you for sharing Justin! God Bless!
Thank you for sharing this. After researching and listening to different point of views for a while. Being a medical professional I can see that evolution although a good explanation is not good enough, and a true relationship with Jesus is tangible, He actually speaks to your heart and performs miracles. And that is something that you can’t explain to those who dont have a relationship with him. Its like trying to explain colours to a person who can only see in black and white.
Yep!!
How does being a medical professional make you "see that evolution although a good explanation is not good enough". That doesnt make any sense and is an argument from personal incredulity.
Good comment especially the part about explaining colors
Tell that to the Hindu who thinks the same about Hale Krishna.
@@itzyourbwoytchybooxuur6475 tell me all about the evidence for any of the gods that aren’t the God of the Bible. Read There Is A God by Antony Flew, the worlds most notorious atheist comes to believe there is a God.
Great content. Thankyou.
I thought the title said athletes lol. I was agnostic, now i am a Christian and i dont see it as religion, i want to see it as the way of life.
Definitionally it is a religion.
Amen. Follow the ways of Christ.
God is amazing. You are spot on Justin. 💯 Percent agree. ❤️🙏❤️
Greetings from Pakistan.
You’re an inspiration and you are right. Your messages touched my heart and mind. Thank you!
Can you please tell me your testimony thank you please 🙏
Pakistan - failed country with lots of violence against women, poverty and animal cruelty. But good for you that you believe in God!!!
@@catlady9012 um okay? But let me just tell you, that you won’t find the kind of faith Pakistani Christians have or Christians from any third world country in the west. The West has failed us Christians.
well, I know this is completely out of context but, I am Mexican and went to college and worked in the US, and I can't help noticing the difference in your accent!!! Love it!!! God bless you!!!
I can’t believe I cried while watching this.
I almost cried, when Justin said that Dawkins admitted that the wrongfulness of rape is arbitrary. Yet I was moved in super-positive ways also. Justin did an excellent job of refining this half hour into a very powerful potent expression of how true and loving and valuable Christ is. When Justin spoke of Christ expressing His value for us on The Cross Of His Love, I felt tears of joy behind my eyes.
Paul wept as he wrote one of his epistles. The strength to weep is necessary if we are to accept Truth; both joyful tears and lamenting tears.
Much love to you brother.
💕💗💞💓💖💝
Jesus bless you.
@ To become a person who has the wisdom to see the proof is a miracle of God. Christ Crucified is where you will find the proof, nowhere else. Even His resurrection is proven by The Crucifixion and nothing else. There is some good history, but that is far from proof.
For me to even defend my own epistemology is very time consuming. If you are interested, you can subscribe to my channel. I'm going to make daily vocab videos which will clarify the Greek and Hebrew, and they will include thorough justification of the claims therein. Also, I'm working on a Greek Access New Testament which is designed exactly to offer access to study the original Greek, and will include a one-to-one translation in order to serve that purpose. I'm also going to write a book which will outline true Christianity. True Christianity is very different from what you have been shown; at least the differences are incredibly important differences.
I'm not going to spend time to specifically debate you Jacob. I think you easily see why I won't do this. Really, I need to stop online debating all together and focus on my projects. However, online debating has prepared me for my projects, so it's not quite black and white.
But Jacob, if you have genuine interest I am a good source. Vocab videos, that thoroughly demostrate their justification, probably won't offer you anything to troll though. I'm not sure how soon I'll start uploading, but soon enough for long term interest.
Much love to you.
💕💗💞💓💖💝
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My belief is Christianity which is trust in Christ, not churchianity which is trust in church. If you need to strawman Christ, then I see that you cannot refute Him.
"Spread flat the gate and broad the way which leads to destruction, and many there be who go in thereat. Standing narrow the gate and crowded the way which leads to life, and few there be who find it. Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheeps clothing but inwardly are ravening wolves..."
- Jesus the Christ
Pretty clear that to cite those which Jesus Himself refuted is a very poor strawman.
Now, I'm inclined to think you are simply an abusive person. You keep calling Him "dead Jesus" because you hope to be offensive. It's not enlightening nor informative to anyone when you assert that He is dead. "Buybull" at least says something, though after a full day of seeing you repeat that pun over and over, I didn't even notice the implication until just now, and before I thought it was just a silly way of spelling it phonetically. Your comments are not challenging and so they do not draw real attention, and so I didn't even bother to take a close look at "Buybull". The comments draw attention the way an annoying child might, but not in a debate sense.
In the Bible "miracle" is either force/power or else an indication/sign. Your definition fits many of the events, but is not the meaning of the word in Scripture. The miracle I speak of is not a defiance of physical law but rather an indication of God's power, an event for which there is no other possible explanation.
The wisdom of The Cross is beyond any human wisdom, and so cannot be a myth because no human has the wisdom capable to orchestrate such a myth. Nothing else compares. If you are given the wisdom to see that, then you will see it. The New Testament is a level of wisdom so drastically surpassing the best wisdom ego can offer, and without ego lying is impossible, so the Scripture cannot be lies either. Truth and wisdom and rightousness are one, so such wisdom requires righteousness, and so again cannot be lies.
If you've noticed how pathetic trolls are, then you should easily see that Scripture is not a troll. The liars of this world demonstrate how pathetic the minds of liars are. For instance, Islam came from liars and it's absurd. Buddhism and Taoism are honest, and they are not absurd.
Now, Jacob, if you do not have Truth then you are not aware how obvious, stupid, and pathetic lies are. If you were aware of that, you would see that Scripture is not lies. I remember what it was like to not see the difference, so I get where you are coming from.
My point in speaking to you is to offer a bit of info, such as what I said about "miracle", but more so my point is just to let you know that you don't pose any challenging points or anything. If someone uses such weak refutation tactics, then obviously they wouldn't recognize strong refutation, because if so then they would use refutations that at least seem strong. If someone can't recognize strong debate, then I won't bother debating.
I can't tell if you think there is merit in the points you state, or if you are just entertaining yourself with no regard to such merit.
@ We both know better than that Jacob; especially you. Whatever you are compensating for, Jesus will gladly heal it.
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I have no need to compensate for anything. You must understand that I have everything you have spent your whole life failing to achieve. I never needed anyone's help along the way, I stood on my own. I am not weak and needy as you. I came by everything in my life without hurting anyone else, without doing anyone else a disservice. You need to examine your limitations and decide why you are the way you are.
Good talk mate, God bless
This video is incredibile, you are incredibile, thank you!
Justin , as an agnostic atheist I have enjoyed your shows and your obvious general understanding of the opponents position especially when moderating ( this is rare in my experience) .....I'm still confused why you still believe! but hey we don't get to choose our beliefs . All the best . Jon
@leumasdiderot Thats a tad disingenuous ! I have no evidence to doubt his motives. I disagree with his conclusions for sure, but saying its all for money ???? do you have any evidence for this claim?
@leumasdiderot OK How much does he earn and tell me how you know this? How much also does he give to charity and how you know this?
I dont think ad hominem attacks on believers especially when you seem to propose every theist is in it for the money, is a clever strategy.
Show their erroneous irrational thinking, faulty logic and the deep routed fallaciousness in their ARGUMENTS , but dont just make up shit about someone you don't know and never met.
You just come across as another angry atheist hurling insults everywhere. I dont think that helps the cause as people are defected from the real issues.
@leumasdiderot I'm a resolute atheist , who just disapproves of your hyperbole and insults and considers it counter productive to dialog.
I’m still an atheist even though I live around many Christians. Wow, how amazing is that?
That is amazing! What would it take for you to change your mind?
Gneiss Girl - Evidence
Gabe Norman - Give an example.
Gabe Norman - What am arrogant assumption. When I ask for evidence, it means I’m asking for evidence.
Gabe Norman So then it must be pretty easy to give me an example
Brilliant.
I truly appreciate that the host values civil discourse with people who think differently. That is generally not my experience with theist. My more common experience is threats on my well being. So good on you. But the primary things he fails to talk about about his innaccurate representations or strawmen of atheists and his innaccrate representstion that there is equal ground for theism as well as atheism. As done by most theists they dont understand atheism and present their arguments against something that doesnt exist and claim goodness when their argument succeeds. It is not an argument when the other side is not real. And his argument that both share equal and valid ground is wrong. No theist has ever come up with proof of god that amounts to anything more than this is how you want to feel.
Most atheists come from religious backgrounds. We know intimately both sides of the argument. We dont have a strawman for what theist believe. We know it by your words, your actions, your beliefs, your holy texts and that we lived that life. Most have spent decades working it out and deconstructing. It is a painful process to slwoly realize what you were told, what you believe is not real. But like most people, when faced with truth, regardless of how painful it is, we must face it. And most atheists do not say there is no god. We believe that so far no evidence has been brought forth that proves that one exists. Most atheists, like myself are waiting for proof. Not the false apologetics arguments.
Again, i appreciate his humor and wit and his, at least on the surface, willingness to engage in dialog with those that disagree with him, but if you are not willing to present your opposition truthfully or willingly misrepresent your own footing, you are not engaging in good faith. You are actually trying to discredit your opposition under the false light of being a good person. Please dont fall for this because it makes you feel better about yourself and your position. Growth is uncomfortable.
I believe most of us Christians had been in a journey of being an atheist at an early age when we deal with so many questions in our minds that seems impossible to be answered by God. but we continue to seek the answers that will satisfy us and eventually realize no Human opinions is really smart enough to give us all the evidence we needed to prove and disprove the existence of God. no wonder the Bible teaches that God will only exist through the word FAITH. Debating with the atheist is never really the answer as most of the comments I've read here. Instead of debating I believe it's better to pray for them. The Atheist is not the enemy but the one who gave them that idea which is the devil. So pray for them. Peace
Agree. Faith allows us to see from the perspective of God. Other than that, non-believers see it as foolish. Thus faith is a gift. No one can work for it.
And for what amazing reason do you have to pray for atheists? As we know that nothing fails like prayer it sounds like a pointless exercise. Perhaps you are better off ridding yourself of your ridiculous fantasies so that you can live in the real world. You are on a journey all right and the destination is stupidity central. Keep your condescending prayer offer to yourself!
Love his openess to friendly conversation. Sounds like he is the type of guy who would likely understand the importance of the principle of charity. I have plentry of questions I'd like to ask him......
The Christian GOP (Grifters, Obstructionists & Pedophiles).
Because your version of Christianity gives you hope, meaning, and purpose.
I would like to see Lennox debate Dilahunty. I'm curious to see whether they'd reach a stalemate or not.
Matt Dillahunty has a lot of clout that would be an awesome debate
@Sem Nome
Dilihunty has been severely outclassed by several theists already. Look up the debate with Michael Jones.
@@brando3342 I'll check it out, thanks.
@Sem Nome
No problem!
@@brando3342 It was an interesting debate, but it was a bit restricted for my taste. I'd much rather watch metaphysical showdowns. This one was more focused on legitimacy of religion backed conducts vs atheistic humanist ones. I'm not a guy that supports Matt on his humanist morality tirades, but I do think he is a power house of debate. He is very solid.
I appreciate very much the hint. I'm not a theist but I do believe religion and Christianity have very usefull qualities to offer to social cohesion and moral high grounds. I think Christians and atheists should unite forces to push back mostly on Islam, which for me still holds very archaic practices that are spreading at full throttle in Africa, Asia, Middle East and transfiguring Europe with no going back. I very much wish people take Islam seriously and go to the frontlines, prozelitizng for western values and way of life.
The first argument can be easily dismissed by this: If the christian god is omnipotent then he can do whatever he wants i.e. if he wanted us to live on the sun then he would have made it so. The speaker tries to dip into both supernaturalism and naturalism. If the christian god is omnipotent you don't need exact conditions 'cause as we can read in the bible people were raised fron the dead and even donkeys could speak! So natural conditions as we know it are not an impediment for the christian god.
2.Regarding the rape issue and "morality". what about slavery? killing homosexuals? stoning your children for misbehaving? don't those also raise that "feeling of wrongness"? Yet they are condoned and commanded by the christian god.
3. The argument is framed from a binary point of view. Is christianity the only religion in the world? That "feeling" has also been fulfilled by other religious and non-spiritual believe systems. That feeling seems to be a place holder for a belief system (atheistic, theistic and everything in between), not necessarily christianity.
Love the show!!
@Rishal Charles I'm a Deist.
@Rishal Charles that there isnt a god deciding this stuff
Not only do theists denigrate life / human value. They hold contempt for laws of physics.
Christianity is fading away in the UK as more older believers die off not to be replaced by younger people. There used to be 3 churches in our village, now only one with a typical Sunday congregation of 20 - 30, mostly elderly women.
Although I am an atheist, I recognise the value of the church in these peoples lives. I can understand how it gives them a feeling of belonging to a caring community and perhaps one of the few social contacts they have with others.
I would be genuinely sad to see this last church closing, inevitable as it seems. There are few venues where people in this village can go and be welcomed unconditionally.
Too many commuters, leaving early morning, returning in the evenings and having little to do with the village.
Hi Eric, since you are an atheist, your sadness at eventually seeing the last church in your town closed down means a lot. In the US, church attendance is also declining. Jesus even asked the rhetorical question, when he comes again, will he find faith on the earth? It seems the answer is, he won't.
No Miracles unfortunately bilions and bilions being born randomly
Eric Henderson, religion co-opts, or claims as its own, that which is innately human: love, forgiveness, morality, togetherness, community... The paradigm is dying, the churches are shuttered, but the human traits remain. Start a weekly social group in your town, sing songs, have beliefs not requiring magic, do good things, take back what creed has left in its passing.
@@SkeptiQuest There is no logical reason for love, forgiveness, morality and all that bullshit for a real atheist. Actually you should stop being a hypocrite and co-opting those things from christians. We are going to be dead anyway. Why should we 'care' (as if that emotion should exist) what happens to the rest of humanity. Live your limited life to how you want and enjoy it to your full personal satisfaction.
@@OneTrueScotsman Yeah, just like you here...
I don't mean to be rude, but do you really find this convincing? You have to be ok with infinite punishment for finite crimes to believe in the Christian god. And if you claim that this Christian god is "good" then we have a problem.
Grateful for your edition regarding the Enneagram… it has been so misleading and harmful. Thankful you gave it airtime with both Wilson and Montenegro. The peril of Pragmatism was on display, but so was God’s sovereignty … it encouraged me to pray lots as well as to share the information with friends
Incredible points you've made! Well done.
I love the respect and kindness that you bring to this topic. I think there is a kind of fearlessness too, of allowing yourself to encounter beliefs that do not match your won. That shows a real depth of faith, and I thank you for sharing it with the world at a time when belief in our loving God seems to be so low.
Wonderful video ❤ God bless you, Justin. Greetings from Spain!
The only argument I heard was; I feel it must be true. Very convincing.
That's usually the only valid argument for theists. Like for American who fight to keep guns even after all the tragedies that happen every year: I like gun! That's it.
I didn’t here anyone having an argument, I just heard someone stating probabilities?
@Roberto
Not true. I am an Atheist and I am for banning guns, but I also acknowledge some of their valid points though it can be countered with facts. Come on now.
@@piage84 Your comment is an unmitigated disgrace! You must have ABSOLUTELY no knowledge or understanding of anything scientific or religious. Genetics and microbiology; Cosmology and physical laws; The fossil record of animal body phyla and NO incremental changes from extremely simple to super complexity, NO CHANGES FROM ONE SPECIES TO ANOTHER- DARWIN KNEW THIS BUT WAS HOPEFUL THEY WOULD BE FOUND-THEY DO NOT EXIST! Mutations do not introduce information. The universe had a cause and ALMOST all scientists know this, etc.! This DOESN'T even scratch the surface of your incompetent comment!
Do any of you have even a modicum of knowledge or understanding of the Bill of Rights? The right to have and bear arms is for the purpose of an American people being able to defend themselves from a Federal or State government that becomes tyrannical, read the FEDERALIST PAPERS and documents and such by the founders that founded this country. The comments like these are a product of a people that are immoral and uninformed and the FOUNDERS said that we could only govern ourselves if we are a MORAL AND INFORMED people. The atheistic scientists and the party of the democrats (not every democrat), the colleges and UNIVERSITIES and government schools, the atheistic media OPPOSE EVERYTHING THAT IS RIGHTEOUS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THE WHOLE BILL OF RIGHTS! The people in this country are allowing Fascism ( a centralized government that controls everything- dictionary definition of Fascism) to dictate to a people who are driven by UNMITIGATED IGNORANCE and EMOTE LIKE A RUNAWAY FREIGHT TRAIN. GOD'S BREATHED WORDS CALLED THE BIBLE command all people everywhere to repent and turn to HIM and believe the gospel of God about Jesus the ANOINTED ONE (Christ ) whom He sent to cleanse us of sin if we will believe him. His is the only name given under heaven to men by which it is NECESSARY for SALVATION!
“I don’t think Atheists have an answer for that”. No, but neither do the religious. Inserting “because god done it” isn’t an answer at all.
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it."
I love your great stamina and valor, Justin, dealing with formidable set of challenging views towards God, science, and nature while carefully taking a good care of differences.
Fantastic talk. I loved every minute of it. However, I find that most atheists and agnostics don't have a clue what God is about, even though they say they do. They tell me they refuse to worship anyone and then give me a handful of reasons why we shouldn't worship God. Well, you can search the Bible cover to cover and there is not even one verse that says, "I am God; worship me." In fact, God says the exact opposite.
Here are some examples:
- Isaiah 1 : 11: “What makes you think I want all your sacrifices?” says the LORD. “I am sick of your burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fattened cattle. I get no pleasure from the blood of bulls and lambs and goats."
- Isaiah 1 : 14 : "I hate your new moon celebrations and your annual festivals. They are a burden to me. I cannot stand them! When you lift up your hands in prayer, I will not look. Though you offer many prayers, I will not listen, for your hands are covered with the blood of innocent victims."
- 1 Samuel 15 : 22: “What is more pleasing to the LORD: your burnt offerings and sacrifices or your obedience to his voice? Listen! Obedience is better than sacrifice, and submission is better than offering the fat of rams. Rebellion is as sinful as witchcraft, and stubbornness as bad as worshiping idols."
- Hosea 6 : 6: "I want you to show love, not offer sacrifices. I want you to know me, more than I want burnt offerings. But like Adam, you broke my covenant and betrayed my trust."
- Psalm 51 : 16: King David writes: "You do not desire a sacrifice, or I would offer one. You do not want a burnt offering. The sacrifice you desire is a broken spirit. You will not reject a broken and repentant heart, O God."
- Hebrews 10 : 8: First, Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” (though they are required by the law of Moses)."
- Jeremiah 7 : 22: "When I led your ancestors out of Egypt, it was not burnt offerings and sacrifices I wanted from them. This is what I told them: ‘Obey me, and I will be your God, and you will be my people. Do everything as I say, and all will be well!’ “But my people would not listen to me. They kept doing whatever they wanted, following the stubborn desires of their evil hearts. I have continued to send my servants, the prophets. But my people have not listened to me or even tried to hear. They have been stubborn and sinful."
- Mark 2 : 27: "Then Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath."
IN CONCLUSION, God did not reveal himself to humanity in order to be worshipped. God wants to be loved, like a father. In fact, the first line of the Lord's Prayer is: "Our father who art in heaven." When people worship God, it's because they want to and because they love him. Worship is not something God has demanded of us. That idea is clearly a myth not supported by scripture.
I would say most theists form have a clue about atheists
Lol, maybe you should pitch your idea to Christians rather than atheists.
Anyways Yahwe does demand total compliance and a temple to be built for him and he often demands specific sacrifices.
@@MrCmon113 : God only intervened when the Hebrews chose idols to worship. Basically, God's response to idol worship was this: "If you insist on worshiping something, then here's the way I want you to do it." In the beginning, God did not ask to be worshipped. The rebellious Hebrews forced him to take a stand.
1.5k likes / 135 dislikes Thank you, Justin, for this presentation. *_1 Corinthians _**_2:14_**_ But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated._*
Vgiven this facts what decision will you make
You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven.
If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision
a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven
b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell
c) Bring no children
Compensatory fantasies have real utility. They protect the mind from harsh realities and give meaning and purpose where there might be none. Religion organizes thoughts and emotions around beliefs that cannot be falsified, protecting them from the intrusions of an often vague and indifference reality. The danger of these fantasies is that they divorce the mind from reality and force a worldview willing to accept ideas not based on falsifiable evidence but experience and desires. Our nascent ego-centrism is difficult to overcome, and often leads our minds to think existence is centered on us. It is no surprise god is described as a 'father' and his faithful 'children'. At the core of religion seems to be a need to satisfy the inner child unwilling to accept this material, godless reality.
@Paul Morgan That is proof of belief in god, not evidence for a god.
@Paul Morgan Whatever claims religion makes about death cannot be falsified. At best they are fantasy, at worst an open manipulation of our greatest fear as mortal minds.
@Primum Non Nocere it's a trendy delusion.
I love Dave Rubin and Professor Lennox. That sounds like a great show!
@Paul Morgan professor Lennox is a lost case. Makes up stories and call them evidence
I do enjoy the podcast, thank you. As an atheist (but former Christian) listening to the debates assures me more then ever that the Abrahamic god is pure fiction, and reminds me how free I am from sin and hell and heaven and evil. It’s bliss.
Justin seems to be a really nice guy but his logic is very doubtful. He presents 3 arguments for theism but they are seriously flawed:
1) the fine tuning of the universe proves god. Better minds than Justin’s like Einstein and Stephen Hawking understand the universe profoundly but conclude atheism. What’s Justin expertise in this field?
2) the natural dignity of people proves god. He gives the example of Bogota police assassinating street children. Big problem: Bogota is the capital of Columbia, an incredibly religious country with well over 90% Christians. Where’s Christian dignity? Look at most religious countries notably those in the Middle East, central and South America and compare them to the most secular countries like Japan, Norway, Sweden, etc. It’s obvious which places value human dignity more.
3) life has purpose therefore god. But ultimately he offers zero evidence of this purpose. And zero evidence for this god.
Nice try Justin but maybe you should listen more to your atheist guests. The supernatural god you believe in is as fantastic as witches, talking snakes, angels and those other many superstitions from biblical history. It’s like your three arguments - entirely wishful thinking.
Thanks for posting the arguments so I didn't have to actually watch this.
Dr. Robert M. Price is correct. The existence of Christ is a myth.
listen to Bible Scholar Dr. Richard C. Miller on his discoveries about Christianity while studying other religions. He came to the conclusion that Christianity is full of lies.
Rabbi Tovia Singer Exposes New Testament Lies. How Christians lie in the new testimony about Christ. It seems more and more that Christianity is fake and Christians are just a bunch of thieves.
I love Justin, but my eyes hurt from rolling so much 😆
Same.
@King White Knight no idea...
I think she's referring to his corny jokes
Dude doesn't understand(or is just lying) how math, probabilities or physics work but pretends he found that science prove god. I was cringing so hard.
@@adrammelech6323 But then again, the same may be about you.
The God story reminds me of something my father, my childhood beacon to the world, would be capable of: adopting a pet from a shelter and having it killed in front of me to show how much he loves and cares about me.
Your statement a disinformative lie. It would be like if your dad adopted a dog and the dog gave its life willingly in the midst of an armed robbery against you and your family by jumping infront of bullet fire so you had time to get away and live. Don't lie about the Christian faith, it doesnt help your view. Jesus GAVE HIS LIFE WILLINGLY. He knew God would revive him and though we are evil sinners he paved the way into life.
@@lightningmtaylor jeusus gave his life in this mythological story because that’s what people thot was a good remedy for curing psychological issues back then…human sacrifice. Christianity also borrowed the flood myth, water/wine, virgin birth from previous myths. The credulity from todays people is mind blowing.
@@zachg8822 Now I know you can't be taken seriously. No historian or scholar would deny that Jesus exsisted. Scholars use the bible to confirm early jewish events. Again your lies are easily pointed out, you have no argumentd facts or evidence. If you reply to me again it better only be facts otherwise im not wasting my time reading more lies
@@lightningmtaylor Youv’e already wasted all your time with talking animals prophecies.
@@zachg8822 given this facts what decision will you make
You are 100% perfect need no one or anything but if you created you know with 100% certainty that if certain children will end up eternally suffering the torture of hell, and a different group of children will end up eternally on heaven.
If you have that knowledge and the power to created them what is your decision
a) Bring only the children that end up in heaven
b) Bring both the children that end up in heaven and also hell
c) Bring no children12
Alhamdulillah. Hallelujah. By listening to refined ideas of Christian thinkers, I find my way illuminated towards understanding Islam and other religions from a different perspective.
Looking forward to the Rubin event
Would he feel that life is valueless if he was considered to be invaluable? The truth is that if you don’t know where you will be, you will have to consider all human life to be valuable. The kids in the sewers believed that their lives were valuable.
Roger Kreil or the complete opposite of your argument is true, there is no reason to consider anyone as valuable since we are all cosmic accidents.
@@wolfman6649 You believe in 'cosmic accidents' with no proof for your religion to justify the lifestyles you support.
This is the CROWNING JEWEL of your work Justin! I read your book (of the same name) and I LOVED it!
hahahahaha. you need to get out more.
Nothing creating anything is literally scientifically & mathematically impossible
For all we know 'nothing' is impossible.
@@bdnnijs192 Very true
Love the show Justin. I understand why you are still a Christian after hearing all the objections, I'm with you!
Did you visit the PCR "Unbelievable" archives page as I asked?
I may be wrong, but I'm serious about my deep conviction it is harming honest seekers.
@Cliff Hanley Are you a Christian?
@20july1944
I didn't look at it, no. I'm not so sure you should worry about that so much though, like I said before. The truth will be found by those who honeslty seek it. It doesn't matter if there are some heckler atheists.
@@brando3342 I'm sure you SHOULD worry about it, so ONE of us is RIGHT and ONE of us is WRONG.
VISIT the comments sections of a few "Unbelievable" episodes unless you're too busy or important.
There is a former Christian pastor (he says) whose name is David Johnson and his anti-Christian "ministry" seems to be lying in wait when the recordings of the "Unbelievable" episodes are posted, and he's there FIRST with snide critiques of how evil Christianity is and how stupid Christians are.
If you don't even check this out, you're lazy and useless, although not as lazy and useless as Justin Brierley, who has the ultimate responsibility in this regard.
@20july1944
Mmmm okay, you can be right then.
Well done, Justin.
Well delivered, certainly, but his presentation of the atheist viewpoint was disingenuous and maybe even deceitful.
Hidden nature of God makes the idea of freedom possible
That is a really profound idea.
@@julianbrown7976 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Janet Hockey. Your comment doesn't make any sense
@@julianbrown7976
It's a really disgusting excuse.
23:25 again with the tiresome failure to grasp the basics of evolution. The values we hold are precisely those which are fitted to an obligate social mammal. So they aren't "arbitrary". Any individuals who behaved as if their kin and clan were valueles, or only as valuable as a spider or a rock, would soon find themselves without the relationships they'd need to forage effectively, protect themselves and raise children.
Thank you Justin! Great talk and love your program. I especially enjoyed the program with Stephen Meyer. As a biologist I see the evidence of God (his fingerprint) all over the place.
No you don't.
@@username-iz6el Really?? Wow!! What a bummer!!! 😉
@@Awareness-33 😃
I love your work as a host. The way you create a space for dialogue is beyond compare.
This was not for me.
Justin is superb.
at what?
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I see the fine tuning argument that Justin believes in as an argument from incredulity. Our primitive (although many would deny that) and severely limited cognitive powers are enough for Christians to feel certain they have found *the* answer to everything? Please. Everything that belief provides an answer to the Christian can be explained by the only type of reality we have- naturalism. There is no precedence for existence of a supernatural reality. Just because we honestly, humbly say the truth which is ‘we don’t know’ does not then mean,God.
I have not seen nor heard anything from reading,listening to hours of Christian debate, which compels me to believe what I consider to be a problematic, contradictory, error-filled, at times fraudulent,and pedestrian story. This series of books is supposed to represent magnificence beyond comprehension? Please.
Hv watched a few good debates where justin has shown good comprehension..the only way i can explain his faith, despite being on the weak side of these debates, is that of sunk costs that are way to big..the power of the emotions to utterly override reason is beyond question...
I am always amazed when I hear about Christians in England. So many people there are atheists.
There are many Christians, Hindus, Atheists and Muslims too. Faith is not dead. All these groups have a faith position. However, secularism does have a big influence in the UK.
Could you put Joshua harris or other former Christian today who recently left their faith on your show?
@FreedomInTruth How convenient
@FreedomInTruth Can you demonstrate your relationship with God? How could you possibly know what anybody truely believes?
Also cant deny he exsists? How about for years now we have been demonstrating how its possible he canNOT exsist. Law of noncontridiction for a start.
@@fr33thinker69 While I don't necessarily agree with FreedomInTruth. I believe that on God would know the heart of man so it's not my place or any man to say who is or is not a true Christ follower. It is possible one could demonstrate their relationship with God via the fruit of their labor. It's not to say they must work to have salvation, but rather they must work to be a light to others and honor God. Anyone can deny God. That is free will at work. Possible God canNOT exist, but less and less probable the more we learn about our universe and the beginnings of life on this Earth. I don't believe the law of non-contradiction proves the non-existence of God.
@@JohnsonJLB Sorry was a bit blunt, i mean from every definition of God so far, It would seem none have been proven possible to exsist, i dont claim A god cant exsist, but certainly any theist God it would seem cannot or does not exsist given the history of religion from the last 40000 years till now. Have all been created by humans, and nothing of divinity.
@@JohnsonJLB Also i dont think you can choose what you believe, i think your conviced of somthing or not. So in that sense i would say its impossible, and also no confirmed mind readers yet. In terms of judging by somebodys actions i can see your point to some extent, I dont accept it as an arguement tho for the fact that not only are there many religions, but also the disagreements between people of the same faith, read scripture differently. So if they cant agree on their own religion again, how can anyone know to a certainity exactly what a person believes.
I honestly thought this guy was an atheist or skeptic. He always seems very even-handed on his show, sometimes even more friendly to the skeptical side than to the Christian side. It takes courage to open up and let your guard down to the opposition and he has done that many times.
Thank you. I became a Christian late in life and no other Holy Books of any other Faith makes sense to me. Many differing faiths are things of beauty and of great interest, and I enjoyed learning of them; however, the Bible actually provides all the answers to what we are searching for.
I have to agree.
God bless
@leumasdiderot The horrors of what you mention have nothing to do with God. Humanity has free will. We are all flawed and often are unable to live a life that is fulfilling to both God and ourselves. But we choose. We are not automatons. God will not force anyone to do good or choose the right path. Force is not an option. Sadly, many, many people choose to do the wrong thing. Rape, murder, mass shootings and terror of all kinds toward the innocent and not so innocent. But it is not God doing these things. It is us. We choose to do right .. or we choose to do wrong.
@@carnap355 I believe the entire Bible but I would never pull out random passages to prove a point for anything. The entire Bible must be considered from Genesis to Revelation. Much of the Bible is carefully recorded history (proven) and much is cultural at the time of Christ. The Old Testament (Torah) is history and the law given by God to his people. For myself, I find that it is necessary to look at the entirety for understanding.
@leumasdiderot Sir, I am sorry for the life you must have had and the things that hurt you. I cannot understand your bitterness because only you know that. I choose now to end this conversation and hopefully your life is happy and fulfilling in whatever you choose to do with it.
Fantastic! I love this way of believe in God. I am believer, but have a brain to see the world and notice that there is a Creator who love us and give purpose to our lives.
The Lord bless you all!
Cool, now you just need to learn to use it correctly. :)
The problem of animal suffering is the final nail on the coffin of the Christian worldview.
It's not a problem at all actually. I understand Alex O Connor says a bunch of bullshit, But there's no reason you should accept everything that falls out of his mouth uncritically.
Besides Thomism blows that whole objection out of the water.
@@thepalegalilean so convenient for you to say that an obvious issue of animal suffering is just bullshit and move off... simply calling major objections against your worldview bullshit is not gonna do any good...
I'm an atheist and think the most he is talking about is bullsh!t
I am an atheist and Listening to your show I've become even more ashiest if I may say so😅
GOD BLESS YOU JUSTIN BRIERLEY, KEEP UP GOOD WORKS.
@Jim Merrilees you should go back to school to learn English and caps lock!
If only we were better empiricists. If only questions weren't regardeded as answers.
The we could see each as rational, spiritual children; fruit of one tree.
Amen , Brother . Great video.
After 50 years of talking to christians I am still an atheist. 👍
no one cares 🙄
@@NuanceOverDogma how do you know,
@@johngurvan8279 judging by 0 replies & your failed attempt to sound clever towards a video of a person who has shown the upmost respect towards atheists (actually should say agnostics as I don't believe atheists actually exists)
Perhaps if you would have shared your sentiment with examples done with an intellectually honest take more people would have cared. Heck, perhaps even I would have found it interesting.
No worries though, I know no cares about most of my comments either if that adds any consolation 😉
Cheers!
@@NuanceOverDogma I got 4 likes you have none. Just because you think atheists don't exist so what. I made a statement and you were stupid enough to reply. No we are even
@@johngurvan8279 Aww I didn’t mean to make you cry. 4 likes for a 3 month old comment. Oh boy I didn’t realize how amazing & incredibley clever you really were. Are you the "Amazing Atheist" incognito here to own the Christians with that god level wit oops I mean spaghetti monster level wit. Wow 4 likes in only 3 months, I’m still in utter shock & awe at how profound your comment truly was. Silly me to get you triggered so much that you ignored most of the points I made. Must be hard being so popular that you get flooded by 4 likes.
btw is one of those like from you?
Next time you see a license plate ask yourself, what are the chances that you would see that exact number on that plate!!!! Very small. It must be a miracle.
The truth is, if the dice rolls differently, then life would look different.
Except that rolling dice never produces Life.
@@gneissgirl728 Apparently it does ...
@@quemaspana LOL! You actually believe that? Apparently you haven't looked into the problems with abiogenesis.
@@gneissgirl728 and apparently you have never looked into logical fallacies.
@@quemaspana I have looked into logical fallacies and the Theory of evolution is loaded with circular reasoning.
“Your list of possible theories on the origins of the universe are as impossible to prove as my absolute certainty that it’s a very specific god, therefore, your uncertainty is wrong, and my certainty is right.” This is not an argument, it’s an assertion, and it’s unfalsifiable. Stop saying science supports you. It does not.
Harry Silvio either everything came out of nothing for no reason; or it came out of nothing because God made it. Both are faith positions. Did you not watch the video section about chance? People don’t believe in God because they don’t want to. Funny how most of the famous scientists who actually discovered stuff have believed in God
@@markmywords8013 that's a false dichotomy. The universe we see need not have come from nothing. And unless you are claiming that God is the only "nothing" with "reason". "God" is not the opposite of "no reason"
I think this argument tries so hard to disprove natural causes that it relegates god to being nothing but a rock to rest the beginning of the universe on and nothing like the god of the bible.
Um I also see love and beauty and meaning in things. That doesn’t make Christianity any less false. You can have meaning in life and have a sense of awe for the mystery of the world without being religious.
"You can have meaning in life and have a sense of awe for the mystery of the world without being religious."
That is quite correct. The question is *why* do you feel that sense of meaning? Where does that come from? *Why* do you feel that sense of awe? Again - where does that _come from?_
@@rubiks6 I was just about to reply and ask the same thing lol you beat me to it, good thinking dude 🙌
@@iemerald7781 - He was a hit-and-run poster.
@@rubiks6 I have to explain this to people all the time but they keep coming back with "You give your own life meaning" that's what majority of humanists say.
@@iemerald7781 - It is your Creator that gives you meaning.
If I am a potter, I decide if the pot I made is a decorative piece, used as a container, a chamber-pot, broken into potshards for tools, or simply thrown away.
It is your Creator that gives you meaning.
Well said.