Luna is my favorite character. She has detail and thought put into her, including her self harm. Since the show is for all ages it made sense they would talk about self harm, neglect, etc.... While Celestia is at fault, she needs more understanding. Imagine that many years without your own sibling. I understand not all siblings are close however barely anyone put thought into the hurt and guilt Celestia gave herself. Is unbelievable having a constant remind you neglected and had to banish your sister for such a long time period. Anyways, Luna also made me appreciate the nighttime also whenever I see the moon I get so excited and have a warm feeling. A few weeks back, I kept seeing the moon at morning. Truly magical and I find solace in the darkness. Now, I also appreciate the daytime as well as the sun although I'll seek to the night sky. Sunset and sunrise are still precious. Just don't overthrow what life has given. Night or day. It doesn't matter, both are important. Next time you are outside. Admire and have gratitude for even a bird passing. Make your life apart of history. If you didn't read all that, I don't really care. I'm just giving my thoughts Have a wonderful day or night! You are loved and precious. We're all deserving of respect. I will do my part and so will you. Protect and cherish. Heal our planet. Your strong and so beautiful. Your doing amazing, please keep going. I know it's rough. I've been there but I found the guide and so can you. We are all capable of anything!
I did read it all lol, I try to with every comment, when I made this video with Mt friend, we didn't think it was gonna go as far as it did, everyone has so many interesting opinions, and it makes me happy that I can actually look through comments, I don't plan on stopping, we are just getting started, and this channels gonna go farther than I expected, and i thank everyone who goes along with my on this journey.
Ngl there's a good chance that there was a decent amount of people that actually did appreciated Luna and the night, but the ironic thing about that is that she wouldn't know become they would be awake while she's doing the dream thing
true, however the main focus is celestia not giving luna any appreciation, which was the most important part of all, but there being a small amount of ponies that appreciated her is a possibility, but its never really shown, what is shown is ponies fear of her
@@thatbluebro oh yeah, I definitely get that, I just think it's kind of tragic that any appreciation she got would be missed by no fault of anyone on top of how Celestia acted
Luna did not deserve to be banished to the moon for a 1000 years. Realistically, if that happened to any other person, they would have been driven mad. No food, no water, theres not even any air. Even if Alicorns have the ability to not breath it still would have been unpleasant and should have felt like she was being suffocated 24/7. Theres also not even any sound. And as for food and water it would have felt like starving constantly. Basically long story short, being trapped on the moon for anything more than a week would be worse than death and she was rhere for a thousand years. I cannot think of something worse than being on the moon for a thousand years with 0 resources.
There's probably some things I'm wrong about considering I don't know much about Alicorn biology and don't know much about the moon or space. There's also the possibility the elements themselves protected Luna and Nightmare Moon from being driven mad and anything bad happening to her during her time on the moon but Celestia didn't know that.
8:46 also, remember, in ‘All Bottled Up’ that Starlight’s magic fueled by rage managed to completely corrupt the ponies around her when it exploded. It’s not that big of a stretch to assume something similar happened to Luna with her own magic
7:29 Those words explain exactly how I've felt for years due to having a big popular friend that didn't seem to actually want to understand my feelings. Luna has always been my favorite. I love the way everything looks at night, and I find the moon and stars pretty. A friend I had irl always said how she was like the sun and I, the moon lol (mostly because I used to stay up all night vdfjvufi)
I never liked how the comics and show tried to take away lunas agency with nightmare moon saying it wasnt actually her fault but instead it was a bunch of demons or something that possessed her or whatever
The episodes featuring the sisters in later seasons highlights this issue. The biggest seems to be that their duties mixed with their different sleep schedules is possibly what allowed things to get as bad as they did.
this video just reinforces why i relate to and love luna so much. the stuff that was said from 7:30 onward is literally just the reality ive lived for basically forever. it is so hard to properly state the resentment that breeds from being stuck in that role.
I actually believe Luna started walking in dreams only AFTER she was reformed, because if she could walk in dreams, ponies would actually show her appreciation and love in their dreams.
I have a groundbreaking theory I believe that princess Celestia, and princess Luna were twins, but princess Luna was delayed in her gross because she was sent to space which caused Celestia to age without her and for Luna to look a lot younger
The issue is, every time we see them, Celestia is larger than Luna, even in the flashbacks before the moon thing happened. Ev en if they were twins, they clearly weren't identical and that would mean they could easily have different heights.
Something id like to add. Even though i don't think we see this,there were probably a lot of ponies who feared or even hated her and the night. In the show we see modern day ponies being afraid of basically anything and everything different from them. This was probably a lot worse 1000 years ago when the whole nightmare moon thing went down.
15:31 yeah, it’s a shame their relationship wasn’t ever fully addressed, especially since it’s what the show opened up with. And I have to agree that it wasn’t fully addressed because, just look at their interactions. Almost every time they’re together they’re fighting about something (and I know siblings fight, but they’re constantly at it; every other sister duo gets moments where they’re just being nice to each other). Also. *spoilers* Look at their last fight in ‘between dark and dawn’. With words like “I bet you wish I never came back so you could still rule day and night,” and “what I want is a sister I can depend on,” you know what happened wasn’t ever addressed. It was brushed under the rug.
I have a head-canon I just made. I mean it was always in my head from the moment I see Luna but I couldn't put together: Clestia saw Luna in Twilight. And from the moment she met with her (and saw her cutie-mark with *STARS* , just like in the prophecy.) Celestia decided to use Twilight to understand Luna and redemption her later. I can write so much more things with details and referances but I think you can get whatever you want from here...
Yeah actually thats a good theory, I think it's more possible that Celestia has been watching twi for a long time and saw how lonely she was, but also how smart she was!
@thatbluebro I was talking about the time Twiligh gained her cutie-mark with transforming Spike's egg to a grown dragon and ect. Than Celesria come and calmed Twilight and said "...one more thing- your cutie-mark." So I assumed she didn't just take her to the spacial unicorns school but also saw a potantial to take a role at the prophecy because of her cutie-mark. And than, she really amazed by her success at school and become more and more sure & close. Nearly as if her sister come back and become her "faithfull student" again with a very little different name and personality... As I said, I can talk a lot more and convince you but it's not necessary. I just shared the idea so now you can search yourself and believe whatever you want.
Great stuff. As a younger sibling myself who went through similar experiences, and who is invested into fanfiction writing, I can confirm that there is a lot of untapped potential to Luna's story. It's a bit sad that in canon it was left without a proper investigation and resolution, but ultimately MLP G4 never was about Celestia and Luna. They are satellite characters, for better or worse
That was one we were gonna talk about but we decided to skip on tha cause we felt there were better episodes t talk about, I talked about the book however, Rudolf focused on the show
@@thatbluebro that makes sense though i could not find a place that sold the book and even if i found a copy i could afford it though maybe one day i finaly will be able to😉
I felt so. .so bad for luna! She did not deserve non of this. Her trauma even lead her to be weary of twilight at first even after she saved her as shown in s3 Ep1 & 2 as she didnt trust twilight was capibal of the task and questioned her sisters judgement. .Its so sad!
@thatbluebro yeah! Through out the seasons she trusted in twilight more and her friends, i like to believe since she was stuck on the moon and stuff- she's around the same age as twilight or maybe younger as her time got froze when she was trapped, so twily's friends are her friends! ♡ i just dislike how she was put to the side for twilight to deal with by celestia-
Its pretty heinous honestly that Luna's initial anger was motivated by feelings of inadequacy and isolation when ponies favored her big sister's daytime over her own equal and unacknowledged night... And her punishment for becoming Noghtmare Moon for less than 5 minutes, only doubled down on that feeling of isolation. It made her even MORE of an obsucirty in the hearts and minds of her subjects who already barely knew her.. and then a thousand years later, they saw her as nothing more than a half imaginary boogeymare who's used as a narrative device to scare little children. Even once Luna returned, regretting her mistakes and hating herself so much that she even forbade herself a good night's sleep? She's quickly eclipsed by two- sorry, *three* new Alicorn Princesses who are instantly more beloved than she could ever dream to be. She gets no agency or say amongst them collectively either, she's constantly deferring to essentially whatever Celestia determines is "good for us all" (aka, whatever specifically puts Twilight on a pedestal) and once this faithful student is fully groomed to be her teacher's successor... Luna retires! Because Celestia wants to, so of course it stands to reason that Luna should just shadow along with anything Tia wants to do, it's not like Luna was ever independently invested in her crown anyways... Great ending. Great writing. I'm so glad they just kept inventing new problems for her instead of ever once acknowledging that initial disparity that essentially ruined her life.
I think a force ghost Anakin and Luna can rectify each other and I think Anakin would say You may have turned to the dark as I have. My fall to the dark side was, however, contributed to a multitude of factors, including my vision of the future of my wife dying in childbirth. My master told me to spy on the government of Democracy, looking for answers to the questions I had at the time. There are so many things he tried to save his wife and children but was only thinking about himself. Luna did too, but this was different due to the circumstances of how she gains power, but at the core, The Force and Magic aren't that much different. Both have applications of good and evil and can be used for good and evil. It wasn't Luna's fault for not fully it's a very complex situation.
Luna is my favorite character. She has detail and thought put into her, including her self harm. Since the show is for all ages it made sense they would talk about self harm, neglect, etc.... While Celestia is at fault, she needs more understanding. Imagine that many years without your own sibling. I understand not all siblings are close however barely anyone put thought into the hurt and guilt Celestia gave herself. Is unbelievable having a constant remind you neglected and had to banish your sister for such a long time period. Anyways, Luna also made me appreciate the nighttime also whenever I see the moon I get so excited and have a warm feeling. A few weeks back, I kept seeing the moon at morning. Truly magical and I find solace in the darkness. Now, I also appreciate the daytime as well as the sun although I'll seek to the night sky. Sunset and sunrise are still precious. Just don't overthrow what life has given. Night or day. It doesn't matter, both are important. Next time you are outside. Admire and have gratitude for even a bird passing. Make your life apart of history.
If you didn't read all that, I don't really care. I'm just giving my thoughts
Have a wonderful day or night!
You are loved and precious.
We're all deserving of respect.
I will do my part and so will you.
Protect and cherish.
Heal our planet.
Your strong and so beautiful. Your doing amazing, please keep going. I know it's rough. I've been there but I found the guide and so can you.
We are all capable of anything!
I did read it all lol, I try to with every comment, when I made this video with Mt friend, we didn't think it was gonna go as far as it did, everyone has so many interesting opinions, and it makes me happy that I can actually look through comments, I don't plan on stopping, we are just getting started, and this channels gonna go farther than I expected, and i thank everyone who goes along with my on this journey.
Ngl there's a good chance that there was a decent amount of people that actually did appreciated Luna and the night, but the ironic thing about that is that she wouldn't know become they would be awake while she's doing the dream thing
true, however the main focus is celestia not giving luna any appreciation, which was the most important part of all, but there being a small amount of ponies that appreciated her is a possibility, but its never really shown, what is shown is ponies fear of her
@@thatbluebro oh yeah, I definitely get that, I just think it's kind of tragic that any appreciation she got would be missed by no fault of anyone on top of how Celestia acted
I believe an analysis brony wrote a fanfic about his OC trying to prevent Luna turning into Nightmare Moon. It was pretty touching.
Yeah I gotta check that out
@@DrawciaGleam02what's the name of the fanfic? :O
Luna did not deserve to be banished to the moon for a 1000 years.
Realistically, if that happened to any other person, they would have been driven mad. No food, no water, theres not even any air. Even if Alicorns have the ability to not breath it still would have been unpleasant and should have felt like she was being suffocated 24/7. Theres also not even any sound. And as for food and water it would have felt like starving constantly.
Basically long story short, being trapped on the moon for anything more than a week would be worse than death and she was rhere for a thousand years. I cannot think of something worse than being on the moon for a thousand years with 0 resources.
There's probably some things I'm wrong about considering I don't know much about Alicorn biology and don't know much about the moon or space.
There's also the possibility the elements themselves protected Luna and Nightmare Moon from being driven mad and anything bad happening to her during her time on the moon but Celestia didn't know that.
That is true
My theory is that she either just gave ponies nightmares most of the time or it was just like a long nap for her. I don't really know lol.
Magic ✨✨
The magic of friendship is amazing
@@thatbluebro Agreed!
8:46 also, remember, in ‘All Bottled Up’ that Starlight’s magic fueled by rage managed to completely corrupt the ponies around her when it exploded. It’s not that big of a stretch to assume something similar happened to Luna with her own magic
7:29 Those words explain exactly how I've felt for years due to having a big popular friend that didn't seem to actually want to understand my feelings. Luna has always been my favorite. I love the way everything looks at night, and I find the moon and stars pretty.
A friend I had irl always said how she was like the sun and I, the moon lol (mostly because I used to stay up all night vdfjvufi)
Luna is the best!!!!
I never liked how the comics and show tried to take away lunas agency with nightmare moon saying it wasnt actually her fault but instead it was a bunch of demons or something that possessed her or whatever
Yeah that is stupid but I guess I can see why they did it
The episodes featuring the sisters in later seasons highlights this issue. The biggest seems to be that their duties mixed with their different sleep schedules is possibly what allowed things to get as bad as they did.
Yeah that's a very good point, but I do believe they love each other, I just think that the way Luna has been treated was unjust
this video just reinforces why i relate to and love luna so much. the stuff that was said from 7:30 onward is literally just the reality ive lived for basically forever. it is so hard to properly state the resentment that breeds from being stuck in that role.
Well I hope you enjoyed the video! We put a lot of work into it!
Heavy on luna's self harm!!! I feel soo bad for her after rewatching the episodee..😭😭😭
She's more deep than what people give her credit for
I actually believe Luna started walking in dreams only AFTER she was reformed, because if she could walk in dreams, ponies would actually show her appreciation and love in their dreams.
I like that idea! It shows how great Luna is!
I have a groundbreaking theory I believe that princess Celestia, and princess Luna were twins, but princess Luna was delayed in her gross because she was sent to space which caused Celestia to age without her and for Luna to look a lot younger
Yeah is a pretty good theory, it would make a lot of sense, since we don't actually see what Luna does on the moon
The issue is, every time we see them, Celestia is larger than Luna, even in the flashbacks before the moon thing happened. Ev en if they were twins, they clearly weren't identical and that would mean they could easily have different heights.
I always saw it as justified, her anger makes so much sense to me.
Yeah, especially with how much oppresson she faced
Something id like to add. Even though i don't think we see this,there were probably a lot of ponies who feared or even hated her and the night. In the show we see modern day ponies being afraid of basically anything and everything different from them. This was probably a lot worse 1000 years ago when the whole nightmare moon thing went down.
Oh yeah, I think that is for sure true
Also cue OUT OF EVERY OTHER THING CELESTA COULD HAVE DONE WAS SENT HER TO THE MOON
Cue that worse villains were stone or put in tartarus
oh yeah thats a good point lmao
15:31 yeah, it’s a shame their relationship wasn’t ever fully addressed, especially since it’s what the show opened up with. And I have to agree that it wasn’t fully addressed because, just look at their interactions. Almost every time they’re together they’re fighting about something (and I know siblings fight, but they’re constantly at it; every other sister duo gets moments where they’re just being nice to each other). Also. *spoilers*
Look at their last fight in ‘between dark and dawn’. With words like “I bet you wish I never came back so you could still rule day and night,” and “what I want is a sister I can depend on,” you know what happened wasn’t ever addressed. It was brushed under the rug.
I have a head-canon I just made. I mean it was always in my head from the moment I see Luna but I couldn't put together:
Clestia saw Luna in Twilight. And from the moment she met with her (and saw her cutie-mark with *STARS* , just like in the prophecy.) Celestia decided to use Twilight to understand Luna and redemption her later.
I can write so much more things with details and referances but I think you can get whatever you want from here...
Yeah actually thats a good theory, I think it's more possible that Celestia has been watching twi for a long time and saw how lonely she was, but also how smart she was!
@thatbluebro I was talking about the time Twiligh gained her cutie-mark with transforming Spike's egg to a grown dragon and ect.
Than Celesria come and calmed Twilight and said "...one more thing- your cutie-mark." So I assumed she didn't just take her to the spacial unicorns school but also saw a potantial to take a role at the prophecy because of her cutie-mark.
And than, she really amazed by her success at school and become more and more sure & close.
Nearly as if her sister come back and become her "faithfull student" again with a very little different name and personality...
As I said, I can talk a lot more and convince you but it's not necessary.
I just shared the idea so now you can search yourself and believe whatever you want.
@demirhane9179 dw I agree with you, Ig I was thinking about a different theory lmao
Huh, y'know, this also kinda works with how she dealt with Sunset Shimmer
how?
I didn't watch any Equestria girls.
Great stuff. As a younger sibling myself who went through similar experiences, and who is invested into fanfiction writing, I can confirm that there is a lot of untapped potential to Luna's story. It's a bit sad that in canon it was left without a proper investigation and resolution, but ultimately MLP G4 never was about Celestia and Luna. They are satellite characters, for better or worse
Yeah, however I tend to like the background on not as important characters more lol
i think everyone here NEEDS to watch the episode A Royal Problem as it actually touches on this subject and a bit more but i wont spoil anything.
That was one we were gonna talk about but we decided to skip on tha cause we felt there were better episodes t talk about, I talked about the book however, Rudolf focused on the show
@@thatbluebro that makes sense though i could not find a place that sold the book and even if i found a copy i could afford it though maybe one day i finaly will be able to😉
I felt so. .so bad for luna! She did not deserve non of this. Her trauma even lead her to be weary of twilight at first even after she saved her as shown in s3 Ep1 & 2 as she didnt trust twilight was capibal of the task and questioned her sisters judgement. .Its so sad!
Yeah but, luckily they made up
@thatbluebro yeah! Through out the seasons she trusted in twilight more and her friends, i like to believe since she was stuck on the moon and stuff- she's around the same age as twilight or maybe younger as her time got froze when she was trapped, so twily's friends are her friends! ♡ i just dislike how she was put to the side for twilight to deal with by celestia-
@Urlocal_rengoku it's very beautiful, hope you enjoyed the video!
This seems like the kind of video sawtooth would’ve made😢
Eh, didn't he get into some drama? 😭
@ yeah he was accused of grooming and it was found to be false after he left the internet
Well, rest assured I won't go down that path
@@thatbluebro 👍
Its pretty heinous honestly that Luna's initial anger was motivated by feelings of inadequacy and isolation when ponies favored her big sister's daytime over her own equal and unacknowledged night...
And her punishment for becoming Noghtmare Moon for less than 5 minutes, only doubled down on that feeling of isolation. It made her even MORE of an obsucirty in the hearts and minds of her subjects who already barely knew her.. and then a thousand years later, they saw her as nothing more than a half imaginary boogeymare who's used as a narrative device to scare little children.
Even once Luna returned, regretting her mistakes and hating herself so much that she even forbade herself a good night's sleep? She's quickly eclipsed by two- sorry, *three* new Alicorn Princesses who are instantly more beloved than she could ever dream to be. She gets no agency or say amongst them collectively either, she's constantly deferring to essentially whatever Celestia determines is "good for us all" (aka, whatever specifically puts Twilight on a pedestal) and once this faithful student is fully groomed to be her teacher's successor...
Luna retires! Because Celestia wants to, so of course it stands to reason that Luna should just shadow along with anything Tia wants to do, it's not like Luna was ever independently invested in her crown anyways... Great ending. Great writing. I'm so glad they just kept inventing new problems for her instead of ever once acknowledging that initial disparity that essentially ruined her life.
I think a force ghost Anakin and Luna can rectify each other and I think Anakin would say
You may have turned to the dark as I have. My fall to the dark side was, however, contributed to a multitude of factors, including my vision of the future of my wife dying in childbirth. My master told me to spy on the government of Democracy, looking for answers to the questions I had at the time. There are so many things he tried to save his wife and children but was only thinking about himself. Luna did too, but this was different due to the circumstances of how she gains power, but at the core, The Force and Magic aren't that much different. Both have applications of good and evil and can be used for good and evil. It wasn't Luna's fault for not fully it's a very complex situation.
I do see the resemblance between the two, however, I hope your okay 👍🦋
@thatbluebro oh I'm good thank you 🙌
THIS IS SUCH A GOOD VIDEO!!!
Aawwwww thank you! I tried!!
Idc what everyone says,Luna will always be the better character of the two.
This is true fact!
Jamiroquai too young to die? Bro jumpscare
Yes that's correct!
luna was justified but celestia doesnt deserve it! celestia’s the best pony and princess of ALL time
I respect your opinion lol
I LOVE U SO MUCH MWAH MWAH
I love you too
Where can I read this?
The journal of the two sisters is physical only, I'm not sure if there are any online reading options for it
I hate Celestia
It's a pretty mixed bag, she's not a bad person but she gets more credit than she deserves
what??????
Isn't Heretical Harmony the guy who said the "Woke mob forced them to wear masks during covid"? LMAO
Well I respect everyone's opinions, as long as they aren't hurting anyone
@thatbluebro True