My theory for Merlin being the 'Mage of Flowers' is that he is sometimes depicted as a druid, and he also has a lot of Flowers named after him. Thus as a nod to both, the developers just made him a Mage that uses flowers in his magic. Also, it's interesting to see him use Excalibur is some of his attack animations.
I always though he was using Caliburn with the logic being that Artoria is using Excalibur and the old sword was essentially collecting dust, so he might as well use it.
@@nkyfong Caliburn has a different design than Excalibur. The sword Merlin uses not only the Babylonia anime, but also his-game attack animations, has Excalibur’s design. Now, I don’t think the sword is ACTUALLY Excabilur. My theory is that it is some cheap imitation.
Honestly I think hes the Magus of flowers because thers so many flowers named after him. Thats probably all there is too it. But if I had to take a guess WHY thers so many flowers named after Merlin perhabs in older times it was belived those plants had magical/medical propertys and thus where named after one of the most famous mages. Its also entirley possible that whoever inventet Merlin WAS inspired by the name of those flowers depending when they where named.
Something I'm surprised you didn't mention is that the merlin we interact with isn't so much a servant but merlin's little illusionary puppet, as since he's still in Avalon, and therefore alive, he hasn't entered the throne, just like hes still supposedly alive in the cave/tower he is imprisoned in. All the shenanigans he does in story is him poking his head out with illusions.
Bar Babylonia ofc. As he wasn’t born yet so due to being engraved in the Throne despite having never died he was able to be summoned. That being said bros a fuckin S tier troll. Had he told Chaldea of his status as a Grand servant they’d probably be on guard for a beast and less surprised by Tiamat. Hell all the fuckin Grand servants except Hassan and Romulus were stupid trolly imo, Orion could’ve tipped them off to the presence of a beast in Atlantis/Olympus tipping them off to Koyanskaya’s true nature, and Merlin once again didn’t do shit but he a troll.
@@OSG_Graced "Orion could’ve tipped them off to the presence of a beast" did you even read Atlantis? He said there, that a Grand wouldn't be summoned for no purpose. As for Merlin he wasn't Grand Caster, the title was still Solomon's
It's more like puppet body for Merlin. The Merlin we have in chaldea is the original Merlin, just the body is not from the original. The term is like Merlin having VR where He can play in Chaldea while having his real body still in Avalon. (Literally another nod to how OP Merlin can be)
To clear up Arthurs conception in Fate, Uther was not lusting after Igraine here he was a King that feared his own downfall, he had special powers but was said that it would die out with him. So he came up with the idea siring an heir with dragon blood, he choose to mary Igraine, who was not mentioned to be already married, just being a princess or Queen from a rival kingdom, the marriage happened much earlier since Uther and Igraine had Morgan, so he was her blood related father and not Gorlois, the duke of Cornwall....later Merlin used magic called conceptional fertilization to create the raw Material of Arthur/Artoria by combining the blood from the parents with dragons blood...He did it because he thought it was the best at that time, and due to his inhuman nature. Source: FGO lostbelt 6 part II Prologue, Garden of Avalon novel, Chapter Story of knights Kay, Lancelot.
I always love that despite merlin being a mage and being a (grand) caster, he still prefer to beat his enemy with sword than magic. His quote from his FGO profiles "You're asking why I don't cast spells? Well, stabbing people is just faster!"
merlin self admitted that he sucks at chanting because he easily loses his concentration in hectic moments. thats why he prefers chantless spells even tho theyre weaker. and thats why we never see him chant to use his magic outside of his np.
Its funny since in some depictions, Merlin knew about the future his shenanigans' with women would lead him, yet he just didnt care and kept at it. An utter scumbag you cant help but love.
And so did Arthur, Merlin warned with what would happen if he married Guinivere, but he still married her, book I read had it like this: "My king, would you listen to me when I say you shouldn't marry Guinivere?" "Nop" "And if I told you it will lead to your downfall?" "Still nop" "Well okay, the same thing is going to happen to me anyway"
The Caster class might be a slam dunk but in Fate specifically he might also be summonable as a Saber. He's noted as the one who taught King Arthur swordsmanship and he is also noted to actually be better at channeling his magic through weapons than he is simply casting spells. The guy was able to slice and dice through monsters which many Sabers would struggle with while still being just a Caster class. Imagine how scary he would be in combat if he was a class better suited for it?
@@Passionlipp He fits most of the qualifications with the only questionable one being fame as a sword wielder. It's unclear whether or not proper human history is aware that Merlin was every bit as capable as the Knights of the Round Table in swordsmanship and actually fought alongside them against Fou. If not, then sadly it seems unlikely for him to qualify. However, the possibility still exists for that to change and as long as that fame exists at some point in the timeline, it should be possible for Saber Merlin to be summoned due to how the Throne works.
Im pretty sure that in most versions is Kay that kills Cath Palug, not Arthur. I head cannon that in Fate, Merlin told Kay he needed to do something, in order to prevent the french version from happening, and then collected the body afterward since Fates Cath Palug was to strong to actually die normally.
I get the feeling the whole flowering business must be a retroactive reference to how he was linked to flowers by people. Basically, since there are so many flowers with his name, he was linked to flowers spiritually, or something like that. Kind of like the "innocent monster" skill
C-? Personally I think that’s too low. While there may be noticeable changes here and there (for the sake of fitting into the wider Fate narrative), I feel like the essentials of what makes Merlin, his character, his attitude, and story are rather well represented in Fate. I feel like C+ or even B- would fit better.
9:39 Somehow I never realized before how Heracles-like Arthur's conception is, with Zeus also visiting Alcmene disguised as her husband. Wonder if that was intentional?
It probably wasn't intentional, although it may actually be influenced by Heracles. Gilgamesh's spiel on how all NPs are derived from those in his treasury seems like BS at first, he has a legitimate point: most legends are simply derived from others.
@@giladmachluf3663 It is more to that, Every gilgamesh treasure is a prototype for other NP in Fate. For example, something like Merodach which is a prototype for both Caliburn and Gram. Two of the Legendary sword in Fate. Gil also have a prototype spear for Cu's Gae Bolg or Odin is Gungnir. It is interesting tho, there are many correlating myth with other myth.
Oh for the Avalon part, i think Aninews did also cover something about that in his own video analysis about Merlin (Check it out if you want it is pretty cool). Suffice to say, like you said because of his womanizing habit and somehow Seducing Vivian. Vivian traps Merlin in Avalon as punishment, where he can never grow old and never die. This somehow a fitting punishment for someone who likes mess around with people lives.
God I need to watch the Merlin series again. On a side note there’s a slightly different story (edit a latin poem) for Merlin it’s called Vita Merlini ( I do not know how old this story is or all the details so take this with a side of salt.) I just vaguely remember a story where after the battle of Camlann Merlin went mad, so I’m unsure if this was the one I read) long story short Merlin fought in the battle of Camlann and it leans more into the trauma of the aftermath basically Merlin had PTSD. Also fun fact: Tristan’s rank up quest (or interlude can’t remember which one) he mentions the vorpal bunny from Monty python.
My personal theory is that Bors, the knight killed by the rabbit, is already in Fate. We don't know all of Watcher's Shadows in Fate/Strange Fake yet, but from the ones we do know, or can be confident about knowing (Asclepius, Captain Ahab, Amelia Earhart), there's a common denominator: They all sought to oppose nature, and paid with their lives. Additionally we see the knight Shadow react negatively when Monty Python is brought up, so I'd say it makes sense.
Bro I loved this Vid! Please do a Solomon vid. The one inacuracy I can name for him in FGO is his inability to summon and/or control angels and not just the 72 demon gods.
Surprise of no mention of proto Merl- I mean his little sister Lady Avalon ahah Anyways, good video, I hope one day fgo will add Merlin's so called "japanese counterpart" Seimei and see if he, Taigong and Merlin get along(from tunguska, Taigong calling Seimei "little Seimei" may indicate that they're not nice terms)
Merlin may not be inaccurate enough to get the full roast, but it would have been satisfying if it had happened! For real, though, I think Merlin falls into the same problem other figures like some of the Greek gods (Zeus in particular) fall into: recognizing non-consensual acts for how horrific they are is a fairly recent development in human society. A lot of older cultures just kind of treated those things as just things people sometimes do, unfortunately. (On a related note, I'm glad they went with a more consensual interpretation of Europa's myth, because I was initially a little horrified that she had that mecha bull with her all the time, given the version of the story I was familiar with) I've definitely been seeing a lot of re-evaluation of some of these myth in recent years, which I feel is ultimately for the best. I've even been seeing Medusa used as a symbol of unity for survivors, which I appreciate. And a lot of myths were originally passed down orally, so the details are vague and a bit malleable, so I feel it would be perfectly fine to reinterpret some myths either by dropping some uncomfortable details, or by reworking it a bit to acknowledge that the heroes sometimes do awful things too.
I'm a bit mixed on covering up the uglier deeds some of these characters have done. On the one hand, covering them up makes it more palatable to audiences. After all, if your characters are all terrible people, then there's nobody to root for and people can end up not caring. More than a few franchises have fallen into that particular trap. On the other hand, I do feel it to be important that people know about a full character - good and bad. Too often I see people champion something by highlighting all of its good traits, but then blatantly ignoring or denying the bad ones. This doesn't just apply to works of fiction, of course, but current events in the real world too. I have a very big problem with that - I'm of the belief that if you are going to stand with something, then you have to recognize its imperfections too.
@@CrazyYurie Well when it comes to the Mexica (Aztec) Gods, Fate doesn't try to hide the whole "demanding human sacrifices, eating people, kiling people, demand crying children to be sacrificed to you, tell your worshippers to skin alive that one princess and to wear her skin, spreading war and discord, and starting the apocalypse", they acknowledge both the good and the bad while still making them characters that the audience can root for (see Tezcatlipoca for a good example). Although I guess it's easier to do with the Mexica Gods since they don't really well... rape people. At least not to my knowledge.
@@CrazyYurie Well when it comes to the Mexica (Aztec) Gods, Fate doesn't try to hide the whole "demanding human sacrifices, eating people, kiling people, spreading war and discord, and starting the apocalypse", they acknowledge both the good and the bad while still making them characters that the audience can root for (see Tezcatlipoca for a good example). Although I guess it's easier to do with the Mexica Gods since they don't really well... rape people. At least not to my knowledge.
@@CrazyYurieStories are at their roots meant to convey lessons and ideas, not just of what one should do but what you shouldn't and what the repercussions of those actions could be. I feel we've all been done a disservice by not having those darker lessons because then when reality ultimate happens(say someone steals your phone and belongs and no one cares to do anything about it) you almost can't comprehend the situation. I know I couldn't comprehend things like a parent abandoning a child until I read older stories and myths where it was common because in reality it is.
1 The idea that SA is a heinous crime being recent is wrong, I'm not gonna fault you too much, but you have access to the internet. Different cultures in Europe reacted in different ways to SA. See: Hue and Cry laws and their meaning. Ancient(er) history: the word Stuprum is what Julius Caesar himself designated as crime, with its description being "Forced SI against anyone", this also protected children, which is not universal in all laws against SA. These are some examples. The modern world is not virtuous. But we love to pretend we are better than the past, because we drone strike instead of use Oubliettes or chemical warfare (which Russia for one, despite claiming they don't use and have signed off against, keep using in secret, same with the USA although to a lesser degree) 2 The idea that the gods we worship must be good is what's a "recent" idea. Which is why we told stories of gods doing heinous things, because people do them. There are entire university courses only meant to combat the Problem of Evil. But in the greek pantheon no such thing was needed. The gods do good as they do evil. Many people see the myth of medusa being SAd for one, and don't know most of the time it's a specific roman poet's version (the one where medusa is punished for being SAd by apollo), who rewrote a lot of myths and stories during his exile, making the gods seem more dickish than they are because he was pissed about being in exile.
It's difficult to say. He mentions in the 7th singularity that due to his Incubus heritage, he doesn't really "feel" emotions the way humans do, relying on the dreams of them to experience them. Since his internment in Avalon, he enjoys humanity as a riveting story; something to be entertained by. Perhaps he "loves" it the same way we might love a really good movie, but idk if that would count.
The flower on merlin is just a way to show that he is still trap in the garden of Avalon. Edit he is also probably called flower mage because he can just summon apart of the garden of avalon but this is only what i found (how, where, when?) Because its what i see about him in game and everything about fate in canon.
What ho muscle wizard might you cast us a spell Huh my guess was he was gonna get a B- after the whole vid I honestly don't think they toned down his crime that much in fate the core of the issue is still there from what I remember I think all your research on why he is the mage of flowers proves in the end why he is. The people over at Type Moon probably saw all the same things you did and assumed with so many flowers named after him he must have had something to do with flowers, self fulfilling and all that. Though I do think the way they used flowers does work well as the sprouting, petals, and I think smell at some point were all used as distractions or the trigger for illusions I also think you hit the nail on the head with the association of Merlin and cath palug, Fou literally spawned from a story named after Merlin And in conclusion I'm glad our Merlin is just weird and not weird AND smelly
Not talked about in any of these that I have seen yet, they kind of swapped the conception of Arthur and Mordred, where Morgana used illusion magic to disguise herself as Artoria's wife (equally similar to how Galahad was conceived) funny enough
in mythology an incubus is the male version of a succubus. a witch is supposedly the child of a succubus and human while a wizard is the child of an incubus and human. merlins weakness for women probably comes from his incubus blood which are sex demons.
You forgout about his sister, Lady Avalon. I mean Lady Avalon is Merlin's younger sister in FGO apperently, and also Predenter Class servant that lives in Fate/Prototype's timeline and acts as their Merlin here which makes Avalon to have universal/timeline transportation/teleportation and probably Merlin has it too, I guess
good video 👍a small correction merlin has nothing to do with the futanari that was invented by the toxic fandom of fate and he was not a pervert but it is true that he temporarily turned artoria into a man to create a successor for him due to politics and morgan did not abuse Artoria just stole DNA through magic, this does not apply to Arthur Proto
I really don't like Merlin's design, he does the typical Fate design mistake of being very generic, borrowing very little from real life. It makes sense in an uniform anime world, but these heroes are supposed to look like people from history. I know that servants want to be incognito, in order to avoid having their weaknesses exploited, but it also makes them all look very same-y. They could have at least given him some celtic patterns or something even remotely medieval looking.
@@jacopoarmini7889Genshin has the most generic anime look of almost any game I've seen the reality is your appreciation for most of these designs seems to relate a lot to your appreciation of the character themselves. So all that tells me is you play a lot more Genshin then Fate not that Genshin is any less "Generic Anime" then fate.
Dude the Greek pantheon is full of mechs, and that directly affects hero like Odysseus and others, Fate doesn't try to make them looks like historical character most of the time Don't even begin with Fate's Japan history
@@VioletDeathRei well, I don't play Genshin impact to be fair, what I meant is that seeing some Genshin impact characters may have spoiled my idea of anime design, since they are so popular and all. I don't even play Fate, I just watch the anime. My dislike of Merlin's design comes from the fact that it is impossible to tell that the guy is Merlin or even a medieval wizard. The art is not bad, but he does look like just another anime dude.
My theory for Merlin being the 'Mage of Flowers' is that he is sometimes depicted as a druid, and he also has a lot of Flowers named after him. Thus as a nod to both, the developers just made him a Mage that uses flowers in his magic.
Also, it's interesting to see him use Excalibur is some of his attack animations.
I always though he was using Caliburn with the logic being that Artoria is using Excalibur and the old sword was essentially collecting dust, so he might as well use it.
Also Incubi (of which Merlin is half-incubus) and Succubi are both associated with flowers.
@@nkyfongcaliburn is gone, it was destroyed in combat years before the end of Sabers life
@@nkyfong Caliburn has a different design than Excalibur. The sword Merlin uses not only the Babylonia anime, but also his-game attack animations, has Excalibur’s design. Now, I don’t think the sword is ACTUALLY Excabilur. My theory is that it is some cheap imitation.
@@Assasin2, oh yeah, the tournament.
Honestly I think hes the Magus of flowers because thers so many flowers named after him. Thats probably all there is too it. But if I had to take a guess WHY thers so many flowers named after Merlin perhabs in older times it was belived those plants had magical/medical propertys and thus where named after one of the most famous mages. Its also entirley possible that whoever inventet Merlin WAS inspired by the name of those flowers depending when they where named.
Something I'm surprised you didn't mention is that the merlin we interact with isn't so much a servant but merlin's little illusionary puppet, as since he's still in Avalon, and therefore alive, he hasn't entered the throne, just like hes still supposedly alive in the cave/tower he is imprisoned in. All the shenanigans he does in story is him poking his head out with illusions.
Bar Babylonia ofc. As he wasn’t born yet so due to being engraved in the Throne despite having never died he was able to be summoned. That being said bros a fuckin S tier troll. Had he told Chaldea of his status as a Grand servant they’d probably be on guard for a beast and less surprised by Tiamat. Hell all the fuckin Grand servants except Hassan and Romulus were stupid trolly imo, Orion could’ve tipped them off to the presence of a beast in Atlantis/Olympus tipping them off to Koyanskaya’s true nature, and Merlin once again didn’t do shit but he a troll.
@@OSG_Graced "Orion could’ve tipped them off to the presence of a beast" did you even read Atlantis?
He said there, that a Grand wouldn't be summoned for no purpose.
As for Merlin he wasn't Grand Caster, the title was still Solomon's
It's more like puppet body for Merlin. The Merlin we have in chaldea is the original Merlin, just the body is not from the original. The term is like Merlin having VR where He can play in Chaldea while having his real body still in Avalon. (Literally another nod to how OP Merlin can be)
To clear up Arthurs conception in Fate, Uther was not lusting after Igraine here he was a King that feared his own downfall, he had special powers but was said that it would die out with him. So he came up with the idea siring an heir with dragon blood, he choose to mary Igraine, who was not mentioned to be already married, just being a princess or Queen from a rival kingdom, the marriage happened much earlier since Uther and Igraine had Morgan, so he was her blood related father and not Gorlois, the duke of Cornwall....later Merlin used magic called conceptional fertilization to create the raw Material of Arthur/Artoria by combining the blood from the parents with dragons blood...He did it because he thought it was the best at that time, and due to his inhuman nature.
Source: FGO lostbelt 6 part II Prologue, Garden of Avalon novel, Chapter Story of knights Kay, Lancelot.
Let’s be honest Arthurian legends are sooooooo messy and jumbled taking creative license on the legends most of time are an improvement
I always love that despite merlin being a mage and being a (grand) caster, he still prefer to beat his enemy with sword than magic.
His quote from his FGO profiles
"You're asking why I don't cast spells? Well, stabbing people is just faster!"
That's also because he often fails at casting his spells, which ends up making the place blow up in ashes while he tried to simply heat up his pizza
merlin self admitted that he sucks at chanting because he easily loses his concentration in hectic moments.
thats why he prefers chantless spells even tho theyre weaker.
and thats why we never see him chant to use his magic outside of his np.
Honestly despite inaccuracies I think Merlin is a good unique character that is imo better than in the legend
Its funny since in some depictions, Merlin knew about the future his shenanigans' with women would lead him, yet he just didnt care and kept at it. An utter scumbag you cant help but love.
And so did Arthur, Merlin warned with what would happen if he married Guinivere, but he still married her, book I read had it like this:
"My king, would you listen to me when I say you shouldn't marry Guinivere?"
"Nop"
"And if I told you it will lead to your downfall?"
"Still nop"
"Well okay, the same thing is going to happen to me anyway"
The Caster class might be a slam dunk but in Fate specifically he might also be summonable as a Saber. He's noted as the one who taught King Arthur swordsmanship and he is also noted to actually be better at channeling his magic through weapons than he is simply casting spells. The guy was able to slice and dice through monsters which many Sabers would struggle with while still being just a Caster class. Imagine how scary he would be in combat if he was a class better suited for it?
Does he meet the qualifications for Saber?
@@Passionlipp He fits most of the qualifications with the only questionable one being fame as a sword wielder. It's unclear whether or not proper human history is aware that Merlin was every bit as capable as the Knights of the Round Table in swordsmanship and actually fought alongside them against Fou. If not, then sadly it seems unlikely for him to qualify. However, the possibility still exists for that to change and as long as that fame exists at some point in the timeline, it should be possible for Saber Merlin to be summoned due to how the Throne works.
Im pretty sure that in most versions is Kay that kills Cath Palug, not Arthur. I head cannon that in Fate, Merlin told Kay he needed to do something, in order to prevent the french version from happening, and then collected the body afterward since Fates Cath Palug was to strong to actually die normally.
Kay does kill Cath Palug in a number of versions. I ended up highlighting Arthur though because of that French version. :P
I get the feeling the whole flowering business must be a retroactive reference to how he was linked to flowers by people. Basically, since there are so many flowers with his name, he was linked to flowers spiritually, or something like that. Kind of like the "innocent monster" skill
C-? Personally I think that’s too low. While there may be noticeable changes here and there (for the sake of fitting into the wider Fate narrative), I feel like the essentials of what makes Merlin, his character, his attitude, and story are rather well represented in Fate. I feel like C+ or even B- would fit better.
9:39 Somehow I never realized before how Heracles-like Arthur's conception is, with Zeus also visiting Alcmene disguised as her husband. Wonder if that was intentional?
It probably wasn't intentional, although it may actually be influenced by Heracles. Gilgamesh's spiel on how all NPs are derived from those in his treasury seems like BS at first, he has a legitimate point: most legends are simply derived from others.
@@giladmachluf3663 It is more to that, Every gilgamesh treasure is a prototype for other NP in Fate. For example, something like Merodach which is a prototype for both Caliburn and Gram. Two of the Legendary sword in Fate. Gil also have a prototype spear for Cu's Gae Bolg or Odin is Gungnir. It is interesting tho, there are many correlating myth with other myth.
There is also a female Morgan version in FGO arcade. I don't know who or what she is but the pursuasion of the prototype King Arthur.
Oh for the Avalon part, i think Aninews did also cover something about that in his own video analysis about Merlin (Check it out if you want it is pretty cool). Suffice to say, like you said because of his womanizing habit and somehow Seducing Vivian. Vivian traps Merlin in Avalon as punishment, where he can never grow old and never die. This somehow a fitting punishment for someone who likes mess around with people lives.
God I need to watch the Merlin series again.
On a side note there’s a slightly different story (edit a latin poem) for Merlin it’s called Vita Merlini ( I do not know how old this story is or all the details so take this with a side of salt.) I just vaguely remember a story where after the battle of Camlann Merlin went mad, so I’m unsure if this was the one I read) long story short Merlin fought in the battle of Camlann and it leans more into the trauma of the aftermath basically Merlin had PTSD.
Also fun fact: Tristan’s rank up quest (or interlude can’t remember which one) he mentions the vorpal bunny from Monty python.
My personal theory is that Bors, the knight killed by the rabbit, is already in Fate.
We don't know all of Watcher's Shadows in Fate/Strange Fake yet, but from the ones we do know, or can be confident about knowing (Asclepius, Captain Ahab, Amelia Earhart), there's a common denominator: They all sought to oppose nature, and paid with their lives. Additionally we see the knight Shadow react negatively when Monty Python is brought up, so I'd say it makes sense.
7:08 I will never forget this connection now with Fou, thanks i hate it lmao 😂
Wahaha.
Merlin np is summon a part of avalon not create
Some time ago I found out that druids like Merlin never actually used Stonehenge. As I heard Stonehenge has near non any artifacts of Celts
Bro I loved this Vid!
Please do a Solomon vid.
The one inacuracy I can name for him in FGO is his inability to summon and/or control angels and not just the 72 demon gods.
Surprise of no mention of proto Merl- I mean his little sister Lady Avalon ahah
Anyways, good video, I hope one day fgo will add Merlin's so called "japanese counterpart" Seimei and see if he, Taigong and Merlin get along(from tunguska, Taigong calling Seimei "little Seimei" may indicate that they're not nice terms)
Merlins having excalibur is still really fun
Merlin may not be inaccurate enough to get the full roast, but it would have been satisfying if it had happened! For real, though, I think Merlin falls into the same problem other figures like some of the Greek gods (Zeus in particular) fall into: recognizing non-consensual acts for how horrific they are is a fairly recent development in human society. A lot of older cultures just kind of treated those things as just things people sometimes do, unfortunately. (On a related note, I'm glad they went with a more consensual interpretation of Europa's myth, because I was initially a little horrified that she had that mecha bull with her all the time, given the version of the story I was familiar with) I've definitely been seeing a lot of re-evaluation of some of these myth in recent years, which I feel is ultimately for the best. I've even been seeing Medusa used as a symbol of unity for survivors, which I appreciate. And a lot of myths were originally passed down orally, so the details are vague and a bit malleable, so I feel it would be perfectly fine to reinterpret some myths either by dropping some uncomfortable details, or by reworking it a bit to acknowledge that the heroes sometimes do awful things too.
I'm a bit mixed on covering up the uglier deeds some of these characters have done. On the one hand, covering them up makes it more palatable to audiences. After all, if your characters are all terrible people, then there's nobody to root for and people can end up not caring. More than a few franchises have fallen into that particular trap. On the other hand, I do feel it to be important that people know about a full character - good and bad. Too often I see people champion something by highlighting all of its good traits, but then blatantly ignoring or denying the bad ones. This doesn't just apply to works of fiction, of course, but current events in the real world too. I have a very big problem with that - I'm of the belief that if you are going to stand with something, then you have to recognize its imperfections too.
@@CrazyYurie
Well when it comes to the Mexica (Aztec) Gods, Fate doesn't try to hide the whole "demanding human sacrifices, eating people, kiling people, demand crying children to be sacrificed to you, tell your worshippers to skin alive that one princess and to wear her skin, spreading war and discord, and starting the apocalypse", they acknowledge both the good and the bad while still making them characters that the audience can root for (see Tezcatlipoca for a good example).
Although I guess it's easier to do with the Mexica Gods since they don't really well... rape people. At least not to my knowledge.
@@CrazyYurie
Well when it comes to the Mexica (Aztec) Gods, Fate doesn't try to hide the whole "demanding human sacrifices, eating people, kiling people, spreading war and discord, and starting the apocalypse", they acknowledge both the good and the bad while still making them characters that the audience can root for (see Tezcatlipoca for a good example).
Although I guess it's easier to do with the Mexica Gods since they don't really well... rape people. At least not to my knowledge.
@@CrazyYurieStories are at their roots meant to convey lessons and ideas, not just of what one should do but what you shouldn't and what the repercussions of those actions could be.
I feel we've all been done a disservice by not having those darker lessons because then when reality ultimate happens(say someone steals your phone and belongs and no one cares to do anything about it) you almost can't comprehend the situation.
I know I couldn't comprehend things like a parent abandoning a child until I read older stories and myths where it was common because in reality it is.
1 The idea that SA is a heinous crime being recent is wrong, I'm not gonna fault you too much, but you have access to the internet.
Different cultures in Europe reacted in different ways to SA. See: Hue and Cry laws and their meaning.
Ancient(er) history: the word Stuprum is what Julius Caesar himself designated as crime, with its description being "Forced SI against anyone", this also protected children, which is not universal in all laws against SA.
These are some examples.
The modern world is not virtuous. But we love to pretend we are better than the past, because we drone strike instead of use Oubliettes or chemical warfare (which Russia for one, despite claiming they don't use and have signed off against, keep using in secret, same with the USA although to a lesser degree)
2 The idea that the gods we worship must be good is what's a "recent" idea. Which is why we told stories of gods doing heinous things, because people do them. There are entire university courses only meant to combat the Problem of Evil. But in the greek pantheon no such thing was needed. The gods do good as they do evil.
Many people see the myth of medusa being SAd for one, and don't know most of the time it's a specific roman poet's version (the one where medusa is punished for being SAd by apollo), who rewrote a lot of myths and stories during his exile, making the gods seem more dickish than they are because he was pissed about being in exile.
You said about shape shifting abilities then this other version is succubus.
Wow didn't see this one comming. IMMA WATCH.
Merlin is a potential beast, evil of humanity isn't he?
I've not heard that before, but he's certainly a jerk!
@@CrazyYurie agreed! He is like a dolphin in disguise! Sick creeps...
It's difficult to say. He mentions in the 7th singularity that due to his Incubus heritage, he doesn't really "feel" emotions the way humans do, relying on the dreams of them to experience them. Since his internment in Avalon, he enjoys humanity as a riveting story; something to be entertained by. Perhaps he "loves" it the same way we might love a really good movie, but idk if that would count.
One thong you didn't mention about Merlin in Fate is that he is actually a Beast Candidate
He is?!?
The flower on merlin is just a way to show that he is still trap in the garden of Avalon.
Edit he is also probably called flower mage because he can just summon apart of the garden of avalon but this is only what i found (how, where, when?) Because its what i see about him in game and everything about fate in canon.
But it has no relation to his original myth.
I always thought they where Apple flowers is I heard avalon was isle of apples(could be wrong)
What ho muscle wizard might you cast us a spell
Huh my guess was he was gonna get a B- after the whole vid
I honestly don't think they toned down his crime that much in fate the core of the issue is still there from what I remember
I think all your research on why he is the mage of flowers proves in the end why he is. The people over at Type Moon probably saw all the same things you did and assumed with so many flowers named after him he must have had something to do with flowers, self fulfilling and all that. Though I do think the way they used flowers does work well as the sprouting, petals, and I think smell at some point were all used as distractions or the trigger for illusions
I also think you hit the nail on the head with the association of Merlin and cath palug, Fou literally spawned from a story named after Merlin
And in conclusion I'm glad our Merlin is just weird and not weird AND smelly
Not talked about in any of these that I have seen yet, they kind of swapped the conception of Arthur and Mordred, where Morgana used illusion magic to disguise herself as Artoria's wife (equally similar to how Galahad was conceived) funny enough
Nice video like always ❤🎉
So, technically he is alive and thus not a Servant. Therefore, he can't be a Grand Caster, only a Grand Candidate.
Hey, from where came the thing about Merlin *helping* Artoria to produce a heir?
in mythology an incubus is the male version of a succubus.
a witch is supposedly the child of a succubus and human while a wizard is the child of an incubus and human.
merlins weakness for women probably comes from his incubus blood which are sex demons.
You forgout about his sister, Lady Avalon. I mean Lady Avalon is Merlin's younger sister in FGO apperently, and also Predenter Class servant that lives in Fate/Prototype's timeline and acts as their Merlin here which makes Avalon to have universal/timeline transportation/teleportation and probably Merlin has it too, I guess
Riiiight.
@@CrazyYurie This is weird and I just found out about it like yesterday
good video 👍a small correction merlin has nothing to do with the futanari that was invented by the toxic fandom of fate and he was not a pervert but it is true that he temporarily turned artoria into a man to create a successor for him due to politics and morgan did not abuse Artoria just stole DNA through magic, this does not apply to Arthur Proto
Wait melusine is from Avalon…????? How???
I have a Melusine video. :P
Then what about proto Merlin
She's not out on NA yet.
Who's fate Merlin, I only know dyk wizard XD
The dik wiz !
I really don't like Merlin's design, he does the typical Fate design mistake of being very generic, borrowing very little from real life. It makes sense in an uniform anime world, but these heroes are supposed to look like people from history. I know that servants want to be incognito, in order to avoid having their weaknesses exploited, but it also makes them all look very same-y. They could have at least given him some celtic patterns or something even remotely medieval looking.
You're gonna call fate merlin generic? Who else looks similar to him? If ya want generic look at genshin
@@elone4567 probably I am spoiled by Genshin in a way, but I feel like he's very "generic anime", he reminds me a lot of newer yu gi oh cards
@@jacopoarmini7889Genshin has the most generic anime look of almost any game I've seen the reality is your appreciation for most of these designs seems to relate a lot to your appreciation of the character themselves.
So all that tells me is you play a lot more Genshin then Fate not that Genshin is any less "Generic Anime" then fate.
Dude the Greek pantheon is full of mechs, and that directly affects hero like Odysseus and others, Fate doesn't try to make them looks like historical character most of the time
Don't even begin with Fate's Japan history
@@VioletDeathRei well, I don't play Genshin impact to be fair, what I meant is that seeing some Genshin impact characters may have spoiled my idea of anime design, since they are so popular and all. I don't even play Fate, I just watch the anime. My dislike of Merlin's design comes from the fact that it is impossible to tell that the guy is Merlin or even a medieval wizard. The art is not bad, but he does look like just another anime dude.