I think the tall buildings are fine, but they should be clustered together in a small area of maybe a couple of blocks to simulate a downtown. Surrounding these blocks, the buildings could then be gradually brought down to a more reasonable height, creating a sense of realistic density through dynamic height and also opening up the potential for a Van Buren skyline.
In a lot of capital cities, buildings are often not allowed to be taller than the legislature building so the skyline would have the legislature in it from any angle. A new city like Van Buren would likely be planned to control the skyline so that it likely stay low at least in the core area. There might be security reasons as well for keeping buildings small as well, but I see that to be more of a federal/national capital thing rather than a state/provincial capital thing. I'd say put more repetitive work into streams. That way we get to see more trials and error and you don't toil in isolation. Save the off-camera stuff for major changes, streams for fixes.
Is that why there are no skyscrapers in dc but much taller buildings in surrounding areas like Arlington and Tysons? Pls let me know cuz I’m sad I have to go to Baltimore to see a lot of high rises
@@abatall Correct, I want to say I think no buildings can be taller than the Washington Monument or something but I might have just made that up. What might be more correct is that no building in a certain radius of the capital buildings can be taller than some certain height or floor.
@@e4envy303 The height restriction is relative to the width of the road, something like a building can't be taller than twice the width of the road plus 20 ft maybe, I'm not sure but it is something like that.
I'm not sure how common it is for state capitals in the US. Some of them have their capitol buildings a mile or so from downtown, and the downtown has skyscrapers, if they're major cities in their own right (e.g. Phoenix, Arizona and Austin, Texas).
@13:20 you mention getting that, "Weird thing in the middle" between the two townhomes. Those are "air shafts" and they are supposed to be there. The dumbbell shape allows separation between the buildings. The gap was intended to allow for windows and airflow to occur on all sides of the building and not just the front and back. Row houses in NYC built after 1900 are built this way.
I was looking for a comment to mention this - things like that were essential in tall buildings that were built before HVAC really was a thing, and living conditions in tall buildings before then were less than optimal
Personally I would love to watch you go through the city as you fix it block by block, whether it be stream or in each episode. Is there a rush to finish? Take your time, make it look good. It wouldn't hurt to go back and make sure the other towns are fixed and detailed as well. A city tour of past areas should also be done every once and a while, to remind us and show new comers what this map includes.
Absolutely no rush to finish. I just want to be sure that I'm not boring your all, since I think my pacing may be a bit more leisurely than some other creators, lol. Agree on the tours. If I'm going to have series that run this long, I need to explain what has happened.
@@CityPlannerPlays Your pace is fine. To be honest, I feel a little cheated that you put those fruit trees in between episodes without us, I felt we missed out on something. And to be sure, none of your episodes are boring, you do a fine job of keeping us entertained and building a story with your builds. Thank you and keep us included.
Though it may be annoying, Phil please check to make sure the density of every building you place in is correct, or maybe look for a mod that fixes the realistic pop calculation
You're right with the apartment complex. I live in Eastern WA and I've seen a lot of seemly random developments like that spring up on the outskirts of Spokane and Airway Heights and other cities. Usually low income apartments. But some of them are massive
Great update, Phil. Van Buren looks much more rational and realistic. I live in a state capital and we have many Victorian houses in outer downtown area that were converted into office buildings (mostly law firms). I could absolutely see that for Van Buren.
I would LOVE to see some landscaping that's not lining things with trees. Some things that are a little more organic and uneven would be very welcome. Few Candy does a fantastic job with this, if you're interested. Love the series and the channel! Been around since Verde Beach 1, and enjoyed every minute of it. Thanks for the hard work! 😀
Phil, pleaaassee do the detailing of Van Buren on camera. Wether it be on a stream or a pre-recorded video. You're attention to detail and character in all your builds, combined with your knowledge of real life city planning, and the thoughtfulness and care you've put into the community you've created, make your content to be something truly special in the entirety of UA-cam. Do not think for a second that we're here for anything else other than to see you lay out your vision of Van Buren's aesthetic to the tiniest detail. The Capital City. We've been waiting for so long for you to be finally building it (we even got terribly, traumatizingly pranked way back on April), and now we're here, "the feather in the cap" of Clearwater County, the magnum opus, and we're on board, Phil. That's exactly what we're in for!! Greetings from a fan from Venezuela :) P.s. the tall building deserves a name and a story. Perhaps a modern sounding name, to really contrast it from the rest of the city. The Onyx Tower, maybe. It has a ring to it and, for better or for worse, people will know what it is they're talking about when they say that name. As for the story, I think it's perfect as you said it: the feather of the cap of a long-time clearwater developer, but maybe, and you can ignore this if you don't think it fits quite well, you could make it an immigrant developer, who left his/her country in search for better opportunities which he/she found on Clearwater County. I want to propose this to honor the Venezuelan diaspora, who were all forced to leave their home country in search for better opportunities elsewhere, and I would love it for Clearwater County to be a place where there is one success story of a Venezuelan who made it abroad. We pay a lot of attention to those and derive strength and inspiration from them. This immigrant developer wanted to create a magnum opus to solidify this and, even though this is an expensive, exclusive apartment building, the developer would surely give back to the community in the form of donations from the wealth they've amassed through their success the county has given them the opportunity to attain, perhaps a donation to the construction of the new Washington High School in Van Buren :)
Hey Phil! I was skeptical when you said you wanted to delete all the highrises, but yet again I became a believer! I think that the density change was in the best interest of Van Buren overall. One thing I would love to see before a mass block detailing/fill-in is the same amount of meticulous thought going into city services, not just with the schools as you just have done but with churches, gas stations, special parks (ie the amphitheater in Ashland), etc. Also, I agree with some other comments asking for more variance with landscaping outside of lining streets with trees. Love the videos and thank you for all your hard work and dedication to us!
I've struggled similarly with having a skyline that made sense and looked good when increasing my density. Would love to see you tackle Van Burn in episodes instead of off-camera. Stream would be fine too, but I've noticed that all the chats during the stream seem to make it tough to accomplish as much as you might have wanted to in that time.
such a great thing you do mulligan often tbh. you’re being self aware and really thinkingfull about your creation that’s really admiring. also like this mulligan especially since the sporadically tall builds did look very strange
i want to see you fix everything on camera! i have to say i wasnt really feeling the capital area because it was kind of messy so i really welcome this change. also a reminder: don't forget about the parks you zoned a while back! they are just plots of empty grass at this point.
Agreed. This building is also intended for use on a grade. What CPP calls out as lack of four sided architecture is really a building designed for placement against an embankment. This would be a better fit for the special area near the park called out at 9:00.
I'd also move it a little bit from the next building. Maybe send the path between them instead. Noone would pay premium for an apartment that you can shake hands with a neighbour in the building next door
I think it is wonderful to see the blocks change and given personality. I am also okay with them being built on stream or off camera as long as we get to see the changes! Such a beautiful city!
Yo, been a silent watcher over a year cause I watch you through the TV app for UA-cam. I for one would enjoy you sharing the creation process all the way through. The insight and love and attention to detail, along with your approach in style is relaxing. I've fallen asleep to your content and gone back to rewatch again just because seeing how the city grows and the thought process behind it is something I enjoy, so thanks
33:30 a park in the curved section of road next to the residential areas would make a ton of sense to have either a memorial area, art installation etc. Being that close to the waterfront and capital building. Would also raise the land value
I really love the direction you’re taking in this episode. Something about van buren always felt wrong to me, and I’m now realizing that it’s that the tall buildings felt incredibly out of place, especially when there are still big swaths of undeveloped land in the city. Going from open land to a bustling capital city requires tons of care to keep everything feeling natural and logical (even in real life). I think that the use of stories, which is one of the best parts of this channel, provides an anchor to reality. Once you feel Van Buren is completed, it would be amazing to have an episode where you tour the city and explain the history and meaning to the citizens of each piece of the city. Also, it would be cool to watch see detailing on stream, I find it very satisfying and relaxing. Thank you for this great series, CPP!
I personally love watching as you hand-select buildings and do the landscaping to give each area its own character. When you're enjoying the process it makes anything you're doing more interesting to watch.
I'd love to see an episode dedicated to the "dark side" of city planning - hostile architecture, gentrification, etc. With the history rich in Clearwater county, I'm sure Van Buren in particular had some particularly tough times in its history.
I love to see this process of filling out Van Buren in episodes. I find it really interesting and satisfying to see the results. Really rounds out the realism of the city. Fantastic attention to detail work that's paying off amazingly.
I like the new look. Good stuff! I'm not a planner like yourself, but anything that's not 'cookie cutter' it more personal usually looks a lot nicer. And let's see it! We watch everything, we wanna see what you do to this place I live in in this second life.
I like the idea of cleaning up block by block on stream, and doing the major build and development projects via dedicated videos. My thoughts being that with the repetition of block by block having the on stream people will keep the build more engaging and would feel like local residents having a say in neighborhood development.
Hi Phil. Having watched a few streams, I think you should redo a majority of blocks on stream and do recaps like you did this episode. You pick up a lot of inspiration and ideas when interacting with chat, like the 4 corners park or the tree choices you showed at the start of this ep. If you have a load of ideas for a block you could blitz a few episodes out, but there are a lot of blocks to give the level of love you've given the other towns. We're here for it whatever you decide!
I like watching you make these blocks in videos. It’s a great way to see assets I haven’t seen before and get tips as you go. That being said, I’d love a section of brownstones or row houses reminiscent of NY or DC! Another fantastic video! My Saturday morning routine! 😊👍
Would love to see more city detailing whether that's in normal time or time lapsed! Also would be nice to see a different style of landscaping other than just tree lining. Hard to break habits tho, I get it
Giving each city block special attention and making them all feel unique is really great to watch imo, stream or video. Every neighborhood you’ve done recently has really come to life. Do it where you prefer. But imo, streams are better for interacting with chat and bouncing ideas back and forth than getting a lot of work done, if you’re looking to do a lot of work I don’t know how effective that would be. As an aside, I assume you’re saving a city bus network for a later episode, but for the time being I think a route running counter-clockwise to the tram would be a big improvement. Right now the tram line’s utility as a round trip provider is lowered because one direction or another you’d have to wait for the tram to loop around the whole line before going back to your destination.
Love to see this kind of content. I appreciate how you are taking time to craft the city the way you want it and it's inspiring for my own builds, so I'd love to see this continue within regular episodes and/or streams.
I really like you going through and giving the neighbourhoods different character. Most of the cities I have lived in have a China town, Korea town, little Italy types of neighbourhoods...I would really love to see some of those in the capital!
Nice adjustment! Really starting to feel like a medium-large midwest city like Duluth! Been loving the Clear Water County build probably my favorite city of yours!
I love when you make the city tell a story. eg. about the Ashland or the Brown families or when you put some substantial thought into why something fairly mundane, a McDonald's or holiday inn is being built in that space. It really makes the city come to life for me and makes the experience very immersive. I think this is a good opportunity to do some world building in the capitol, which i would enjoy watching.
You’ve succeeded in making the city look less like Manhattan, now it seems more like Brooklyn with all the wall-to-wall connected townhomes. I feel like u should add more single family homes as you get further from the office/capital center. They could still be packed tightly, kinda like what you’d see in outer queens, with some wall-to-wall buildings sprinkled in at reasonable locations
I think the gap in the middle of the apartments along the Quay is an airshaft/lightwell like the ones old dumbell tenement buildings in New York had to have. Doesn't look too weird or out of place to me! Also, I'd maybe add an access road along the Quay and then turn the buildings around so more of the balconies face the water
I'm impressed by how much more consistent and credible the look of the city has become, just by removing the taller buildings (even before refilling the gaps). The only building that gave me headache is that tall one at the ent of the waterfront (~17:30) because it actually partially blocks the line of sight from the sea to the lighthouse! I cannot imagine you'd risk maritime issues for the gain of some few sqft. For for builds, I'd prefer before-after walkthrough (with explanation WHY you chose this) over seeing you pick and place every asset. In any case, for us to repeat, an occasional shoutout to the creators of the assets would be great so we can easily find them for our builds. Thanks for all the efforts you put into it, looking forward for more!
I think new builds or demonstrations of city planning (like this episode) are really good for edited content. Detailing and repetitious builds are really good for time lapse or live stream. If you do something off-camera, a recap in an edited video would suffice. Great work! Can't wait to see what's next!
I enjoy watching the detail either on streams or in episodes. Also I just want to say I appreciate this channel so much! It got me through my last year of grad school and a break-up. City Skylines and CPP is my happy place ❤️
Another great episode! I think the density looks a lot more realistic now. Regarding the farms: is it possible to use node controller on the network farms to make the ends conform to awkward shapes? Regarding your waterfront: it's sad that the buildings front the road instead of the quay, which would be more reasonable in my opinion. Also, the buildings with parking and dumpsters out back would look fine in my opinion if you turned them 180 degrees, so the parking faces the road and the main entrance faces the quay. Not sure if the game will allow that though... Maybe if you changed the building spawn points? Regarding the town homes: love the alleys! Maybe you could remove some of the hundreds of crosswalks? Looking forward to the next one!
Excellent ideas! I tried the node controller trick but couldn't get it to work right on the ends. I'll keep playing. Regaring the waterfront - that's a good point. Loads of them load on the side here in the US (at least in places I've visited), but that doesn't make it right. The game WILL allow that sort of change and I'll show how I can do it. Great point on the cross walks - will do!
I think that the changes to the building heights are a good change! It makes this feel much more realistic, although I think a small area with a handful of taller buildings wouldn’t hurt to be unique. As for detailing, I always love watching the streams whether live or VOD, although I will agree with a couple of the comments that the streams can be a little slow and more is accomplished when you either work of camera or show it in a video. Either way, I’m really looking forward to the future!
Great job, this episode really helped bring van buren to life and offer a more realistic scale. I would be interested in seeing an office complex acting as the dedicated headquarters of one of the industries somewhere downtown adjacent within a rail TOD neighborhood, thereby connecting it to the industrial area.
Everything is looking great! One thing that would also complement the farm area would be a small airstrip to be used as a crop duster service in the area.
Just enjoy watching you do your thing, doing every block as episodes might be a bit tedious to some but I would watch and enjoy them! Maybe doing a few streets of interest or a couple of key neighbourhood hubs as episodes would be a good middle ground? Love the series! Also, Van Buren feels like a city that would be crying out for a large open botanical garden somewhere
It kills me as an architect to see a “modern townhome” designed in a traditional bungalow style 😂….I scream on the inside every time “it’s not modern!”
But what you architects don't seem to understand is that it is not "modern" when you add stupid angles, huge glass/steel/concrete parts that don't have a real benefit to the people that do live or work there. You also seem to have no clue of statics most of the time, what makes the building really ugly in the end when engineers and builders need to adapt your shit to real world physics. "Modern" is when it is not a pain to actually live/work in your buildings, and not when it looks like it is straight out a sci-fi comic.
what a massive improvement to the feel of the city, it makes it feel more vast, more real. also since i can't catch/dont have the time to watch livestreams, it would be fun to at least have a bit of it in the episodes
I think there's a good middle ground between episodes/streams and off-camera - it's good to see once in a while because it's a different sort of build, but if you sit through 10 straight episodes of it, you're gonna get real sick of it in the long run. Maybe it can be like a once in a while thing of like "hey it's Van Buren day!" so it can be properly spaced out?
I think one thing missing from Clearwater County is an amusement park/resort. I was thinking something like Knoebels Grove, which is in the middle of the woods, or a bunch of resorts in the Poconos!
Van Buren looks a lot like Concord NH. The low rise down town with the modern buildings. I think you should try and make a main street like concord. Lots of restaurants with out door seating, and artwork everywhere. Lots of local businesses and a large stunning state house.
Didn't expect a dutch word here: Woonerf. These are so common in The Netherlands and Belgium. There are even whole cities that are a woonerf, like Hasselt in Belgium
Streams and episodes ... love watching these fixing vids before bed. Very soothing and satisfying to see how big the overall difference is with these small changes and attention to detail fixes :)
I would really like to see this stuff in episodes. Not in a stream because you're too distracted 😂 and not off camera, because it's probably one of my favorite things to see! Not that you have to talk through every decision in an episode. Maybe some timelapses, but not too fast or else we pretty much miss all the work that's being done. 🙂
I agree with this. The streams are fun, but they don’t get a ton done and sometimes devolve into “Hi [name], thank you for your support!” over and over again. Let the streams be a casual, small project thing where Phil can interact with the viewers more naturally and leave the ‘productive’ work for episodes - even if parts of it get timelapsed a bit.
I like the idea of making these changes mostly in the episodes and maybe in some streams. Buildings within cities give the city charm and character as well as telling the story of the city. Van Buren has infinite possibilities to create a unique history and identity that I would love to see explored
Definitely loving the new vibes of VB, it feels very Salt Lake City now, but needs a few blocks of those tall buildings maybe along the collector couplet leading down to the capital building!
Funny you should say School of thought right by that high school in Old Van Buren, did it ever get named? I'm still throwing out Quayside High with the team Quayside Keepers, named after the lighthouse. Amazing episode, love seeing the government buildings take prominence on the skyline!
I would certainly want to see you going through the city with improvement, if only for your explanations. However, I can't go through a 2 hours stream to be honest, maybe shorter episodes? Thank you for asking us. And keep up the momentum, ,I look forward to every episode and learning something new. Keep up the good work.
Given the sheer amount of buildings and the time consuming nature of this process, I think the best course of action is doing it off camera in phases. A couple buildings here, a couple buildings there whenever you have a few minutes to kill. That way you have more time to spend with the family and don't need to commit to a 2-3 hour stream.
Spoken like someone who's never played this game 😂 there's no such thing as 'a few minutes', if you sit down to play Cities, time just becomes meaningless 🤣
Phil the fire at 28:07 was really trying to do you a favor as those low density cookie cutter units do not belong there. They are on valuable land a stone's throw from the Capital and bordered by light rail on two sides. Think of Beacon Hill Boston or Capitol Hill DC with some of priciest and premiere housing in their respective cities.
Hey CPP it could be interesting to build out the agriculture infrastructure somewhere in the county and incorporate increasingly popular farming methods. Ideas: - ag extension office - small technical college - vertical farming - utilization of cover crops - silvopasture (rising cattle in forests) could be a great use for the farming mods you showed earlier in the build - using solar panels to help protect row crops from excessive sunlight
I love watching all your detailing and the care you use in placing in each building. I especially like hearing your thought process and reasons for what you're doing. Both in game and story wise but honestly you can do all the rest off camera.
To help make that coast line more accessible and less like a private space for the privileged few, what about removing some mid-rises for a dedicated plaza or park space? You see it all along Mendota or around Monona bay where you have the Mem U terrace, and a little ways along the coast you have James Madison Park, and Tenney Park a little ways further down. Monona Bay has probably 50% of its coastline dedicated to park space (Brittingham), and Monona itself has Olbricht (my absolute fav) I think it would be so much nicer in terms of opening the city to the natural world around it, so it doesn’t feel like you hit a wall of buildings as soon as you hit the coast. That’s what Van Buren kind of feels like to me.
I love the improvements, but if you want a reference for the opposite approach to keeping a large skyline, checkout Austin. Texas has one of the tallest capital buildings in the country, but it's overshadowed by the city's new shiny skyline. They basically just let downtown develop like a normal American downtown, so the density is concentrated around entertainment districts and views of the Colorado River, but far more of centralized and rational density development than the randomness of Cities: Skylines zoning. All that said, I think for Clearwater County, the lower density makes a lot of since.
I LOVE the improvements you've made, CPP! Didn't know that I could love the Van Buren more than I already did. I'd enjoy you improving more neighborhoods in a stream or in an episode, just please don't do it off camera! Take care and have a wonderful day, my friend.
You mentioning woonerf made me think "that sounds familiar". Turns out that's the Dutch term for it "living street" It's something used in cities to share the street with pedestrians and cars. There are a few rules set up to accomodate this: Pedestrians are allowed use of the whole width of the street Drivers should not endanger or interfere with pedestrian traffic and, if needed, stop. The same is expected of pedestrians to not interfere unnecessarily with traffic. Parking in these areas is forbidden unless specifically marked areas have been provided. Source: city of Antwerp website
Yep we dutchies love us some woonervebn 😁 except when you're that one driver that slowly has to manouver his car through there 😁 They're build to create Child friendly neighbourhoods and build in a way to drive the traffic around them. You don't want to drive through a woonerf unless you really have to.
I'd prefer you do this in a handful episodes, not a stream. Streams are a lot of fun. But you've never done a stream where you get even close to finishing what you planned to do in that stream. For a massive project like this, it's probably better if you can play on your own time, fast forward through the boring bits and not get distracted by chat. Or just do a bit of both. Whatever works best for you. The city looks a lot better already, can't wait for the rest of this mulligan to unfold!
I think if you have some specific ideas for some special blocks, then a stream would be best. But for all the other more "generic" blocks, I think off camera is okay so that you can fix up the city in a timely manner and not get too distracted by chat messages and donations.
I want to see you so at least more of this on episodes or streams! I like seeing and hearing the thought process. Also the mid rise feels so much better, hats off for having the guys to flatten half of the city to make it happen
i think the building out of blocks and filling of fields should be done in streams. i don't mind a segment of that in the videos, but i really want special builds to be reserved for the videos
What you could do to improve the city like you said with more thought, consider focusing on creating districts with each its own "centerpiece or hotspot" which the district is built around and I'm sure the city will show a lot more character as a result!
❤️ seeing you do it live cause you have a great eye on how to make your city look beautiful...I play on console and wish I could make a city that beautiful and find together like yours...I really enjoy the vids...I learn more about the city planning and what they actually to through to make an area come together... Great info as always
5:09 IIRC one of the even bigger factors that make buildings larger than 5 stories expensive is that once you pass 5 stories you *really* start needing elevators.
Ahhh, I really enjoyed those brick highrises in Van Buren but I DO understand the rationale. Great episode. I would definitely prefer the block by block edits in a stream and more of the leaps-and-bounds kinda content in an episode.
Streams would be nice. I also like how the hand placed buildings better fit in to the story of a modern day capital built for the new 52nd state of the union. You'd realistically see development go more contemporary/new urbanist style rather than a boat load of buildings straight out of Brooklyn circa 1910. Also one skyscraper would be appropriate for Van Buren, most likely built as an apartment building for all the state legislators and the governor (since there's currently no governor's mansion in Van Buren).
To follow on a comment by CG: it would be great to have more time dedicated to complex landscaping. Adding the picnic tables? Creating gardens? Small local forests? I think it would be lovely and à Good opportunity to break up the blocs and use some of these end areas. Maybe an opportunity for to have guests come on stream as well?
Put some little shops, restaurants and cafes against the backs of the buildings along the shore! Would hide the ugly parts, make the area mixed use, and make the waterfront a real center of activity
31:03 as long as you're having fun, we're having fun! you fiddling around with things like this is what made me like watching your content. You want to make things make sense and sometimes that means moving some buildings and landscaping some stuff here and there
This must've been one of the most enjoyable videos of CWC so far, so yes please - more of these on camera. Streams are not really good for that, as in 3 hours you manage to get 2-3 blocks :-)) I love the new coastline, finally it makes some sense. For the buildings without windows facing the water you might try to plop these ground floor/1 story assets from the workshop, there's plenty of shops and boutiques that'd fit perfectly and could at least pretend this game has mixed use zoning! Unfortunately, zoning is pretty broken in this game if you want to make the cities to look realistic. So a big yes for plopping, we need more! Might want to use Find It! though, instead of RICO, when possible. And definitely some buildings need to have their households adjusted. Also, i noticed near the lighthouse a playground doesn't have a road access so the trash cannot be picked up, you might need to adjust the spawn points.
Van Buren to me reminds me a bit of Ottawa, Canada. Lots of parks, lots of public services, and for a long time in Ottawa there were height limits in place to prevent large sky scrapers from being built. Now though, those height limits are gone and were starting to see sky scrapers pop up but mostly in the outskirts of the downtown area rather than right in the city center or near the government building. :) Love the channel and CWC so far!
Are those some editing improvements and details I see👀👀? Jokes aside. I love that there is now a special explanation for all the terms you use in your videos. Great job!
I think in regards to redoing the residential zoning and stuff: do what you'd like. We enjoy the chatting streams (like the last CC one), but don't hesitate to work behind the scenes for your own enjoyment.
Speaking only for myself, I enjoy the timelapses when you do a lot of building or landscape placement. I feel like an episode that is mostly that would be enjoyable for me.
I am so torn! I love how new Van Buren look, it feels more like a real place. At the same time I don’t like that Ashland now has that dense blocks with high rises that I love in American cities. But Van Buren doesn’t and I miss it. It do look great!!! I really am torn.
I think the tall buildings are fine, but they should be clustered together in a small area of maybe a couple of blocks to simulate a downtown. Surrounding these blocks, the buildings could then be gradually brought down to a more reasonable height, creating a sense of realistic density through dynamic height and also opening up the potential for a Van Buren skyline.
Agreed!
Yes
Pretty sure that's his plan for when the city grows in the future
My small town of 7,000 people even has some 3 and 4 story buildings near the courthouse along main street
Most definitely
In a lot of capital cities, buildings are often not allowed to be taller than the legislature building so the skyline would have the legislature in it from any angle. A new city like Van Buren would likely be planned to control the skyline so that it likely stay low at least in the core area. There might be security reasons as well for keeping buildings small as well, but I see that to be more of a federal/national capital thing rather than a state/provincial capital thing.
I'd say put more repetitive work into streams. That way we get to see more trials and error and you don't toil in isolation. Save the off-camera stuff for major changes, streams for fixes.
I grew up in Canberra, Australia, and there is a high-rise ban in the city, and this is one reason (the other is that it's on a fault line).
Is that why there are no skyscrapers in dc but much taller buildings in surrounding areas like Arlington and Tysons? Pls let me know cuz I’m sad I have to go to Baltimore to see a lot of high rises
@@abatall Correct, I want to say I think no buildings can be taller than the Washington Monument or something but I might have just made that up. What might be more correct is that no building in a certain radius of the capital buildings can be taller than some certain height or floor.
@@e4envy303 The height restriction is relative to the width of the road, something like a building can't be taller than twice the width of the road plus 20 ft maybe, I'm not sure but it is something like that.
I'm not sure how common it is for state capitals in the US. Some of them have their capitol buildings a mile or so from downtown, and the downtown has skyscrapers, if they're major cities in their own right (e.g. Phoenix, Arizona and Austin, Texas).
@13:20 you mention getting that, "Weird thing in the middle" between the two townhomes. Those are "air shafts" and they are supposed to be there. The dumbbell shape allows separation between the buildings. The gap was intended to allow for windows and airflow to occur on all sides of the building and not just the front and back. Row houses in NYC built after 1900 are built this way.
I was looking for a comment to mention this - things like that were essential in tall buildings that were built before HVAC really was a thing, and living conditions in tall buildings before then were less than optimal
@@thewatcher_476 Yup! And summer kitchens and summer porches on older rural homes to cook or sleep in during the hot months.
Personally I would love to watch you go through the city as you fix it block by block, whether it be stream or in each episode. Is there a rush to finish? Take your time, make it look good. It wouldn't hurt to go back and make sure the other towns are fixed and detailed as well. A city tour of past areas should also be done every once and a while, to remind us and show new comers what this map includes.
Couldn't agree more! But I'd love episodes for it, as in streams there's too many distractions and they don't end up being too productive
Absolutely no rush to finish. I just want to be sure that I'm not boring your all, since I think my pacing may be a bit more leisurely than some other creators, lol. Agree on the tours. If I'm going to have series that run this long, I need to explain what has happened.
@@CityPlannerPlays Your pace is fine. To be honest, I feel a little cheated that you put those fruit trees in between episodes without us, I felt we missed out on something. And to be sure, none of your episodes are boring, you do a fine job of keeping us entertained and building a story with your builds. Thank you and keep us included.
I've noticed some of the high density buildings say 1 household like at 23:16 which is obviously not realistic, might need to check all the buildings.
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Yeah that’s super weird, he’s using realistic pop I thought
Most those new condos probably need adjustments.
Though it may be annoying, Phil please check to make sure the density of every building you place in is correct, or maybe look for a mod that fixes the realistic pop calculation
You're right with the apartment complex. I live in Eastern WA and I've seen a lot of seemly random developments like that spring up on the outskirts of Spokane and Airway Heights and other cities. Usually low income apartments. But some of them are massive
Great update, Phil. Van Buren looks much more rational and realistic.
I live in a state capital and we have many Victorian houses in outer downtown area that were converted into office buildings (mostly law firms). I could absolutely see that for Van Buren.
That happened in my town in Britain
Van Buren is a new, master planned city. It wouldn’t make any sense to have old homes turned into offices in a new city 👀
I love that idea! Coming soon!
I would LOVE to see some landscaping that's not lining things with trees. Some things that are a little more organic and uneven would be very welcome. Few Candy does a fantastic job with this, if you're interested.
Love the series and the channel! Been around since Verde Beach 1, and enjoyed every minute of it. Thanks for the hard work! 😀
Phil if you're having fun playing, we're having fun watching! I love seeing your passion at work
Phil, pleaaassee do the detailing of Van Buren on camera. Wether it be on a stream or a pre-recorded video. You're attention to detail and character in all your builds, combined with your knowledge of real life city planning, and the thoughtfulness and care you've put into the community you've created, make your content to be something truly special in the entirety of UA-cam. Do not think for a second that we're here for anything else other than to see you lay out your vision of Van Buren's aesthetic to the tiniest detail. The Capital City. We've been waiting for so long for you to be finally building it (we even got terribly, traumatizingly pranked way back on April), and now we're here, "the feather in the cap" of Clearwater County, the magnum opus, and we're on board, Phil. That's exactly what we're in for!!
Greetings from a fan from Venezuela :)
P.s. the tall building deserves a name and a story. Perhaps a modern sounding name, to really contrast it from the rest of the city. The Onyx Tower, maybe. It has a ring to it and, for better or for worse, people will know what it is they're talking about when they say that name. As for the story, I think it's perfect as you said it: the feather of the cap of a long-time clearwater developer, but maybe, and you can ignore this if you don't think it fits quite well, you could make it an immigrant developer, who left his/her country in search for better opportunities which he/she found on Clearwater County. I want to propose this to honor the Venezuelan diaspora, who were all forced to leave their home country in search for better opportunities elsewhere, and I would love it for Clearwater County to be a place where there is one success story of a Venezuelan who made it abroad. We pay a lot of attention to those and derive strength and inspiration from them. This immigrant developer wanted to create a magnum opus to solidify this and, even though this is an expensive, exclusive apartment building, the developer would surely give back to the community in the form of donations from the wealth they've amassed through their success the county has given them the opportunity to attain, perhaps a donation to the construction of the new Washington High School in Van Buren :)
Go ahead and stream the fixes. I just barely missed your last one, but I did watch it afterwards, and appreciated it.
Hey Phil! I was skeptical when you said you wanted to delete all the highrises, but yet again I became a believer! I think that the density change was in the best interest of Van Buren overall. One thing I would love to see before a mass block detailing/fill-in is the same amount of meticulous thought going into city services, not just with the schools as you just have done but with churches, gas stations, special parks (ie the amphitheater in Ashland), etc. Also, I agree with some other comments asking for more variance with landscaping outside of lining streets with trees. Love the videos and thank you for all your hard work and dedication to us!
I've struggled similarly with having a skyline that made sense and looked good when increasing my density. Would love to see you tackle Van Burn in episodes instead of off-camera. Stream would be fine too, but I've noticed that all the chats during the stream seem to make it tough to accomplish as much as you might have wanted to in that time.
such a great thing you do mulligan often tbh. you’re being self aware and really thinkingfull about your creation that’s really admiring. also like this mulligan especially since the sporadically tall builds did look very strange
i want to see you fix everything on camera! i have to say i wasnt really feeling the capital area because it was kind of messy so i really welcome this change. also a reminder: don't forget about the parks you zoned a while back! they are just plots of empty grass at this point.
The high rise building at 20:50 should be turned to face the water because of the balcony’s
That’s a good point, probably the curved side to maximize the ocean-facing surface
Agreed. This building is also intended for use on a grade. What CPP calls out as lack of four sided architecture is really a building designed for placement against an embankment. This would be a better fit for the special area near the park called out at 9:00.
I'd also move it a little bit from the next building. Maybe send the path between them instead. Noone would pay premium for an apartment that you can shake hands with a neighbour in the building next door
Yup! The plane wall facing the rocks. And wasn't lit up during the night 🤔
Excellent point! Will fix this!
I think it is wonderful to see the blocks change and given personality. I am also okay with them being built on stream or off camera as long as we get to see the changes! Such a beautiful city!
Yo, been a silent watcher over a year cause I watch you through the TV app for UA-cam. I for one would enjoy you sharing the creation process all the way through. The insight and love and attention to detail, along with your approach in style is relaxing. I've fallen asleep to your content and gone back to rewatch again just because seeing how the city grows and the thought process behind it is something I enjoy, so thanks
Great to hear from you! Will do!
33:30 a park in the curved section of road next to the residential areas would make a ton of sense to have either a memorial area, art installation etc. Being that close to the waterfront and capital building. Would also raise the land value
I really love the direction you’re taking in this episode. Something about van buren always felt wrong to me, and I’m now realizing that it’s that the tall buildings felt incredibly out of place, especially when there are still big swaths of undeveloped land in the city.
Going from open land to a bustling capital city requires tons of care to keep everything feeling natural and logical (even in real life). I think that the use of stories, which is one of the best parts of this channel, provides an anchor to reality. Once you feel Van Buren is completed, it would be amazing to have an episode where you tour the city and explain the history and meaning to the citizens of each piece of the city.
Also, it would be cool to watch see detailing on stream, I find it very satisfying and relaxing. Thank you for this great series, CPP!
I personally love watching as you hand-select buildings and do the landscaping to give each area its own character. When you're enjoying the process it makes anything you're doing more interesting to watch.
I'd love to see an episode dedicated to the "dark side" of city planning - hostile architecture, gentrification, etc. With the history rich in Clearwater county, I'm sure Van Buren in particular had some particularly tough times in its history.
That's coming. There is a turn coming at some point and a redemption
I want to see u clean it. It’s a good tutorial and insight into planning.
I love to see this process of filling out Van Buren in episodes. I find it really interesting and satisfying to see the results. Really rounds out the realism of the city. Fantastic attention to detail work that's paying off amazingly.
I love it when you clean up the city and making everything more thoughtful and pretty it’s so inspiring and it’s so down my ally ! Love ur content
I like the new look. Good stuff!
I'm not a planner like yourself, but anything that's not 'cookie cutter' it more personal usually looks a lot nicer. And let's see it! We watch everything, we wanna see what you do to this place I live in in this second life.
I like the idea of cleaning up block by block on stream, and doing the major build and development projects via dedicated videos. My thoughts being that with the repetition of block by block having the on stream people will keep the build more engaging and would feel like local residents having a say in neighborhood development.
Would love to see a lot of this on stream
Hi Phil. Having watched a few streams, I think you should redo a majority of blocks on stream and do recaps like you did this episode. You pick up a lot of inspiration and ideas when interacting with chat, like the 4 corners park or the tree choices you showed at the start of this ep. If you have a load of ideas for a block you could blitz a few episodes out, but there are a lot of blocks to give the level of love you've given the other towns. We're here for it whatever you decide!
I like watching you make these blocks in videos. It’s a great way to see assets I haven’t seen before and get tips as you go. That being said, I’d love a section of brownstones or row houses reminiscent of NY or DC! Another fantastic video! My Saturday morning routine! 😊👍
I love tall buildings so this episode was painful for me 😭but it was definitely needed, the city looks so much better now!
Starting off strong - that man and his dog walking out of the ground at 0:06 got a good chuckle out of me.
personally, i enjoy watching you apply detail, create "places", beautify areas. id love to see it in videos, sped up or not.
Would love to see more city detailing whether that's in normal time or time lapsed! Also would be nice to see a different style of landscaping other than just tree lining. Hard to break habits tho, I get it
Giving each city block special attention and making them all feel unique is really great to watch imo, stream or video. Every neighborhood you’ve done recently has really come to life. Do it where you prefer. But imo, streams are better for interacting with chat and bouncing ideas back and forth than getting a lot of work done, if you’re looking to do a lot of work I don’t know how effective that would be.
As an aside, I assume you’re saving a city bus network for a later episode, but for the time being I think a route running counter-clockwise to the tram would be a big improvement. Right now the tram line’s utility as a round trip provider is lowered because one direction or another you’d have to wait for the tram to loop around the whole line before going back to your destination.
I want to see everything on camera! A combo of streaming sessions and time-lapse videos would be a great way to show the city change.
Love to see this kind of content. I appreciate how you are taking time to craft the city the way you want it and it's inspiring for my own builds, so I'd love to see this continue within regular episodes and/or streams.
I really like you going through and giving the neighbourhoods different character. Most of the cities I have lived in have a China town, Korea town, little Italy types of neighbourhoods...I would really love to see some of those in the capital!
Nice adjustment! Really starting to feel like a medium-large midwest city like Duluth! Been loving the Clear Water County build probably my favorite city of yours!
I love when you make the city tell a story. eg. about the Ashland or the Brown families or when you put some substantial thought into why something fairly mundane, a McDonald's or holiday inn is being built in that space. It really makes the city come to life for me and makes the experience very immersive. I think this is a good opportunity to do some world building in the capitol, which i would enjoy watching.
You’ve succeeded in making the city look less like Manhattan, now it seems more like Brooklyn with all the wall-to-wall connected townhomes. I feel like u should add more single family homes as you get further from the office/capital center. They could still be packed tightly, kinda like what you’d see in outer queens, with some wall-to-wall buildings sprinkled in at reasonable locations
I think the gap in the middle of the apartments along the Quay is an airshaft/lightwell like the ones old dumbell tenement buildings in New York had to have. Doesn't look too weird or out of place to me!
Also, I'd maybe add an access road along the Quay and then turn the buildings around so more of the balconies face the water
I'm impressed by how much more consistent and credible the look of the city has become, just by removing the taller buildings (even before refilling the gaps).
The only building that gave me headache is that tall one at the ent of the waterfront (~17:30) because it actually partially blocks the line of sight from the sea to the lighthouse! I cannot imagine you'd risk maritime issues for the gain of some few sqft.
For for builds, I'd prefer before-after walkthrough (with explanation WHY you chose this) over seeing you pick and place every asset. In any case, for us to repeat, an occasional shoutout to the creators of the assets would be great so we can easily find them for our builds.
Thanks for all the efforts you put into it, looking forward for more!
I think new builds or demonstrations of city planning (like this episode) are really good for edited content. Detailing and repetitious builds are really good for time lapse or live stream. If you do something off-camera, a recap in an edited video would suffice. Great work! Can't wait to see what's next!
I enjoy watching the detail either on streams or in episodes.
Also I just want to say I appreciate this channel so much! It got me through my last year of grad school and a break-up. City Skylines and CPP is my happy place ❤️
I finally caught up with all the episodes and finally can watch it on release!
This series is phenomenal!
Another great episode! I think the density looks a lot more realistic now.
Regarding the farms: is it possible to use node controller on the network farms to make the ends conform to awkward shapes?
Regarding your waterfront: it's sad that the buildings front the road instead of the quay, which would be more reasonable in my opinion. Also, the buildings with parking and dumpsters out back would look fine in my opinion if you turned them 180 degrees, so the parking faces the road and the main entrance faces the quay. Not sure if the game will allow that though... Maybe if you changed the building spawn points?
Regarding the town homes: love the alleys! Maybe you could remove some of the hundreds of crosswalks?
Looking forward to the next one!
Re: node controller, I think it is, yes. I think I saw Imperatur doing just that in his guest build on Overcharged Egg's Ilos
Having the parking at the road instead of at at the waterfront is normal here in Germany
Excellent ideas! I tried the node controller trick but couldn't get it to work right on the ends. I'll keep playing. Regaring the waterfront - that's a good point. Loads of them load on the side here in the US (at least in places I've visited), but that doesn't make it right. The game WILL allow that sort of change and I'll show how I can do it. Great point on the cross walks - will do!
I think that the changes to the building heights are a good change! It makes this feel much more realistic, although I think a small area with a handful of taller buildings wouldn’t hurt to be unique. As for detailing, I always love watching the streams whether live or VOD, although I will agree with a couple of the comments that the streams can be a little slow and more is accomplished when you either work of camera or show it in a video. Either way, I’m really looking forward to the future!
Great job, this episode really helped bring van buren to life and offer a more realistic scale. I would be interested in seeing an office complex acting as the dedicated headquarters of one of the industries somewhere downtown adjacent within a rail TOD neighborhood, thereby connecting it to the industrial area.
Everything is looking great! One thing that would also complement the farm area would be a small airstrip to be used as a crop duster service in the area.
Just enjoy watching you do your thing, doing every block as episodes might be a bit tedious to some but I would watch and enjoy them! Maybe doing a few streets of interest or a couple of key neighbourhood hubs as episodes would be a good middle ground?
Love the series! Also, Van Buren feels like a city that would be crying out for a large open botanical garden somewhere
It kills me as an architect to see a “modern townhome” designed in a traditional bungalow style 😂….I scream on the inside every time “it’s not modern!”
But what you architects don't seem to understand is that it is not "modern" when you add stupid angles, huge glass/steel/concrete parts that don't have a real benefit to the people that do live or work there. You also seem to have no clue of statics most of the time, what makes the building really ugly in the end when engineers and builders need to adapt your shit to real world physics. "Modern" is when it is not a pain to actually live/work in your buildings, and not when it looks like it is straight out a sci-fi comic.
@@fumanchu4785 Calm down spaz.
@@fumanchu4785 what in the supressed trauma😂😂
what a massive improvement to the feel of the city, it makes it feel more vast, more real. also since i can't catch/dont have the time to watch livestreams, it would be fun to at least have a bit of it in the episodes
I think there's a good middle ground between episodes/streams and off-camera - it's good to see once in a while because it's a different sort of build, but if you sit through 10 straight episodes of it, you're gonna get real sick of it in the long run. Maybe it can be like a once in a while thing of like "hey it's Van Buren day!" so it can be properly spaced out?
I think one thing missing from Clearwater County is an amusement park/resort. I was thinking something like Knoebels Grove, which is in the middle of the woods, or a bunch of resorts in the Poconos!
Van Buren looks a lot like Concord NH. The low rise down town with the modern buildings. I think you should try and make a main street like concord. Lots of restaurants with out door seating, and artwork everywhere. Lots of local businesses and a large stunning state house.
Didn't expect a dutch word here: Woonerf. These are so common in The Netherlands and Belgium. There are even whole cities that are a woonerf, like Hasselt in Belgium
"Woo-nurf"
It's fitting for a place called van Buren.
I recently attended an EU planning webinar where they talked about woonerfs. Absolutely fascinating and a street type that more places should welcome!
@@RobinOttens Lol, I feel like I need a lessor or two on this one....
@@CityPlannerPlays "Woah-n air-f" is a bit closer to the Dutch pronunciation? Google translate could probably help you with that better than me.
Streams and episodes ... love watching these fixing vids before bed. Very soothing and satisfying to see how big the overall difference is with these small changes and attention to detail fixes :)
I would really like to see this stuff in episodes. Not in a stream because you're too distracted 😂 and not off camera, because it's probably one of my favorite things to see! Not that you have to talk through every decision in an episode. Maybe some timelapses, but not too fast or else we pretty much miss all the work that's being done. 🙂
I agree with this. The streams are fun, but they don’t get a ton done and sometimes devolve into “Hi [name], thank you for your support!” over and over again. Let the streams be a casual, small project thing where Phil can interact with the viewers more naturally and leave the ‘productive’ work for episodes - even if parts of it get timelapsed a bit.
I like the idea of making these changes mostly in the episodes and maybe in some streams. Buildings within cities give the city charm and character as well as telling the story of the city. Van Buren has infinite possibilities to create a unique history and identity that I would love to see explored
Definitely loving the new vibes of VB, it feels very Salt Lake City now, but needs a few blocks of those tall buildings maybe along the collector couplet leading down to the capital building!
Funny you should say School of thought right by that high school in Old Van Buren, did it ever get named? I'm still throwing out Quayside High with the team Quayside Keepers, named after the lighthouse. Amazing episode, love seeing the government buildings take prominence on the skyline!
Excited to see Van Buren get filled up! Hopefully you prioritise that before moving over to the other side of the trench more :)
I would certainly want to see you going through the city with improvement, if only for your explanations. However, I can't go through a 2 hours stream to be honest, maybe shorter episodes?
Thank you for asking us.
And keep up the momentum, ,I look forward to every episode and learning something new. Keep up the good work.
I would really like to see the detailing of Van Buren on a livestream, its really fun to watch mulligans happen and be able to correct them in time 👍
That night shot at the end was beautiful, totally reminds me of here in Madison, looking towards the capital from Monona. Excellent job buddy
I think small parks interspersed amongst the buildings would a good addition.
Can we please have a tour on episode 60? Loving this series
Given the sheer amount of buildings and the time consuming nature of this process, I think the best course of action is doing it off camera in phases. A couple buildings here, a couple buildings there whenever you have a few minutes to kill. That way you have more time to spend with the family and don't need to commit to a 2-3 hour stream.
Spoken like someone who's never played this game 😂 there's no such thing as 'a few minutes', if you sit down to play Cities, time just becomes meaningless 🤣
It looks really great after this mulligan. Feels even more real
will never begrudge you your care and detail put into urban spaces! this looks fantastic. love the new waterfront views from parks and streets
Phil the fire at 28:07 was really trying to do you a favor as those low density cookie cutter units do not belong there. They are on valuable land a stone's throw from the Capital and bordered by light rail on two sides. Think of Beacon Hill Boston or Capitol Hill DC with some of priciest and premiere housing in their respective cities.
Hey CPP it could be interesting to build out the agriculture infrastructure somewhere in the county and incorporate increasingly popular farming methods. Ideas:
- ag extension office
- small technical college
- vertical farming
- utilization of cover crops
- silvopasture (rising cattle in forests) could be a great use for the farming mods you showed earlier in the build
- using solar panels to help protect row crops from excessive sunlight
I'd like detailing streams more often personally
I love watching all your detailing and the care you use in placing in each building. I especially like hearing your thought process and reasons for what you're doing. Both in game and story wise but honestly you can do all the rest off camera.
To help make that coast line more accessible and less like a private space for the privileged few, what about removing some mid-rises for a dedicated plaza or park space? You see it all along Mendota or around Monona bay where you have the Mem U terrace, and a little ways along the coast you have James Madison Park, and Tenney Park a little ways further down. Monona Bay has probably 50% of its coastline dedicated to park space (Brittingham), and Monona itself has Olbricht (my absolute fav) I think it would be so much nicer in terms of opening the city to the natural world around it, so it doesn’t feel like you hit a wall of buildings as soon as you hit the coast. That’s what Van Buren kind of feels like to me.
I love the improvements, but if you want a reference for the opposite approach to keeping a large skyline, checkout Austin. Texas has one of the tallest capital buildings in the country, but it's overshadowed by the city's new shiny skyline. They basically just let downtown develop like a normal American downtown, so the density is concentrated around entertainment districts and views of the Colorado River, but far more of centralized and rational density development than the randomness of Cities: Skylines zoning.
All that said, I think for Clearwater County, the lower density makes a lot of since.
I LOVE the improvements you've made, CPP! Didn't know that I could love the Van Buren more than I already did. I'd enjoy you improving more neighborhoods in a stream or in an episode, just please don't do it off camera! Take care and have a wonderful day, my friend.
You mentioning woonerf made me think "that sounds familiar". Turns out that's the Dutch term for it "living street"
It's something used in cities to share the street with pedestrians and cars.
There are a few rules set up to accomodate this:
Pedestrians are allowed use of the whole width of the street
Drivers should not endanger or interfere with pedestrian traffic and, if needed, stop. The same is expected of pedestrians to not interfere unnecessarily with traffic.
Parking in these areas is forbidden unless specifically marked areas have been provided.
Source: city of Antwerp website
'Cries in SUV'
Yep we dutchies love us some woonervebn 😁 except when you're that one driver that slowly has to manouver his car through there 😁
They're build to create Child friendly neighbourhoods and build in a way to drive the traffic around them. You don't want to drive through a woonerf unless you really have to.
I'd prefer you do this in a handful episodes, not a stream.
Streams are a lot of fun. But you've never done a stream where you get even close to finishing what you planned to do in that stream. For a massive project like this, it's probably better if you can play on your own time, fast forward through the boring bits and not get distracted by chat.
Or just do a bit of both. Whatever works best for you.
The city looks a lot better already, can't wait for the rest of this mulligan to unfold!
I think if you have some specific ideas for some special blocks, then a stream would be best. But for all the other more "generic" blocks, I think off camera is okay so that you can fix up the city in a timely manner and not get too distracted by chat messages and donations.
I want to see you so at least more of this on episodes or streams! I like seeing and hearing the thought process. Also the mid rise feels so much better, hats off for having the guys to flatten half of the city to make it happen
i think the building out of blocks and filling of fields should be done in streams. i don't mind a segment of that in the videos, but i really want special builds to be reserved for the videos
What you could do to improve the city like you said with more thought, consider focusing on creating districts with each its own "centerpiece or hotspot" which the district is built around and I'm sure the city will show a lot more character as a result!
❤️ seeing you do it live cause you have a great eye on how to make your city look beautiful...I play on console and wish I could make a city that beautiful and find together like yours...I really enjoy the vids...I learn more about the city planning and what they actually to through to make an area come together... Great info as always
time-lapse of the changes you plan to make would be cool!
5:09 IIRC one of the even bigger factors that make buildings larger than 5 stories expensive is that once you pass 5 stories you *really* start needing elevators.
Ahhh, I really enjoyed those brick highrises in Van Buren but I DO understand the rationale. Great episode. I would definitely prefer the block by block edits in a stream and more of the leaps-and-bounds kinda content in an episode.
Streams would be nice. I also like how the hand placed buildings better fit in to the story of a modern day capital built for the new 52nd state of the union. You'd realistically see development go more contemporary/new urbanist style rather than a boat load of buildings straight out of Brooklyn circa 1910. Also one skyscraper would be appropriate for Van Buren, most likely built as an apartment building for all the state legislators and the governor (since there's currently no governor's mansion in Van Buren).
To follow on a comment by CG: it would be great to have more time dedicated to complex landscaping. Adding the picnic tables? Creating gardens? Small local forests? I think it would be lovely and à Good opportunity to break up the blocs and use some of these end areas. Maybe an opportunity for to have guests come on stream as well?
Put some little shops, restaurants and cafes against the backs of the buildings along the shore! Would hide the ugly parts, make the area mixed use, and make the waterfront a real center of activity
31:03 as long as you're having fun, we're having fun! you fiddling around with things like this is what made me like watching your content. You want to make things make sense and sometimes that means moving some buildings and landscaping some stuff here and there
This must've been one of the most enjoyable videos of CWC so far, so yes please - more of these on camera. Streams are not really good for that, as in 3 hours you manage to get 2-3 blocks :-))
I love the new coastline, finally it makes some sense. For the buildings without windows facing the water you might try to plop these ground floor/1 story assets from the workshop, there's plenty of shops and boutiques that'd fit perfectly and could at least pretend this game has mixed use zoning!
Unfortunately, zoning is pretty broken in this game if you want to make the cities to look realistic. So a big yes for plopping, we need more! Might want to use Find It! though, instead of RICO, when possible. And definitely some buildings need to have their households adjusted.
Also, i noticed near the lighthouse a playground doesn't have a road access so the trash cannot be picked up, you might need to adjust the spawn points.
Please show everything in future episodes!! This type of panning in cities skylines is my favorite part and I really like the style of van buren.
Van Buren to me reminds me a bit of Ottawa, Canada. Lots of parks, lots of public services, and for a long time in Ottawa there were height limits in place to prevent large sky scrapers from being built. Now though, those height limits are gone and were starting to see sky scrapers pop up but mostly in the outskirts of the downtown area rather than right in the city center or near the government building. :) Love the channel and CWC so far!
Are those some editing improvements and details I see👀👀? Jokes aside. I love that there is now a special explanation for all the terms you use in your videos. Great job!
I think in regards to redoing the residential zoning and stuff: do what you'd like. We enjoy the chatting streams (like the last CC one), but don't hesitate to work behind the scenes for your own enjoyment.
Speaking only for myself, I enjoy the timelapses when you do a lot of building or landscape placement. I feel like an episode that is mostly that would be enjoyable for me.
I am so torn! I love how new Van Buren look, it feels more like a real place. At the same time I don’t like that Ashland now has that dense blocks with high rises that I love in American cities. But Van Buren doesn’t and I miss it. It do look great!!! I really am torn.
3:07 that spot with 5-6 roads all joining up would be perfect for another rural town center like Bradford!