Interesting 'review'. At least in my experience the shorter wheel base 3 axle bogie never ran as well as the longer version as under the Brush 4 &C. After very little running the locos I had experience with would have repeated sticky periods of slow speed for a few seconds while running. On my Cl. 50 I did replace the trailing truck with 6 wheel pickup but that did not help. I cannot justify the very considerable time to prove the point, but I believe the longer bogie can be made to run as well as the modern locos, with the massive advantage that motor brushes can be replaced. A LOT OF WORK IS INVOLVED, including major modifications to increase pickup. This probably applies to the shorter bogie version ,as with our Cl.50s as well. The bogies I mean had brass hex nuts on the gears. This particular loco might well have the wiring obstructing the gear teeth. A few points 1/ Needs the longer bogie 2/ The abiding visual failing of this model is the front windscreens, but that does not worry most modellers. 3/ For non DKK runners I keep mentioning the June 1975 Kalmbach Model Railroader article by Don Hansen 'Throttle with a Future'. These throttles turn Lima into a different proposition entirely. The feel we had for modelling then was not as now; I'm not saying now fails, but it is different. If I were still following BR I would base my layout on Lima diesels and Wrenn steam outline, with a spray of Triang, and some scratch built. Needless to say all lima and Triang would be rebuilt. For anyone with doubts about the old stuff, just grab a decent pulse start throttle and compare a good example of the Wrenn/HD Castle with almost anything else. Poetry in motion. Just remember to use pulse for start and stop only, reverting to smooth DC for main sequence running. The usual rheostats used half wave rectified. Within their intended purpose, I have experience of only the later Lima diesels, but as I knew it, Lima was remarkable, recommendable, and worthy of great respect.
That's really interesting - I for one am a huge fan of the Lima models - they represent a most accurate detailed depiction for a sensible price. With a bit of time and some modelling bits they can be almost as good if not better than the modern models!
@@timbervalleyproductions Yes, all depends what you are looking for. I think it was Monty Wells who published several articles in RM, all based on improvements. For me he did not go far enough. For example, he (from memory) had a go at the Cl 50 windscreens but did not remediate the shape of the cab roof which dictated the error. Similarly he did not go far enough on the drive modifications. Particularly with DKKnsound (one word, I believe), we should be able to replicate the mass of the prototype shown at the 2min 38 second mark of ua-cam.com/video/5nHesKAxnpM/v-deo.html As stated: it all depends what you are looking for; and this is what I am looking for. As you say, perhaps we can better the modern crop of models; yes: very probably. Remember the throttle I pointed you towards. Just because a motor has a three slot rotor does not mean it performs any the less; think of the flat Fleischmann motor. I was getting very good performance from my Lima EE Type 3, and Brush Type 4, and that was factory settings. I don’t know if brushes can still be obtained. I stress that to replicate the performance on that video clip requires a lot of work - and a lathe (or get someone interested at the local club).. Inspection of the Cl.50 suggests various techniques for correction of the windscreens. A Mr Henderson in the Jan? 1966 RM wrote up a technique for moulding a new cab roof. A little thought would provide flush glazing. I notice someone (Shawplan?) has produced an etch for improving the windscreens of the EE 3. Don’t forget the Dapol reproduction of the old Kitmaster Deltic. Find an old ‘brass hexnut’ bogie from a wreck. The glazing is missing from the kit, but as the glass seems to fit oversize behind the windshiels reglazing should be easy. Someone is currently running a series on the model. There you are: a challenge for you. Hopefully someone will be inspired to have a go; it will not break the bank, and unlike moden models, the mechanism will last till the cows come home - all that’s needed is a bit of maintenance and a new set of brushes occasionally. If you are new to this game please observe the warnings on glues etc., and p-l-e-a-s-e put those bloody modelling knives safely down between cuts! And yes: if you followed the link, the loco IS the prototype for the Triang R 159. I wish I had the opportunity to thank Mr Henderson, and A.C.N. Herd who wrote on scratchbuilding in the 1968 RM. Time for me to shupup.
I think that it sounded awful when you ran it, I bet that you were pleased that you only had it on loan. I suppose these days and the expensive models you only get what you pay for. I like your video, Regards from Ron.
@@RonCooper-nl4pn That sound is pretty typical of most Lima locos - they have a very recognisable sound! I must admit, though, I am a big fan of the Lima locos, but you do very much get what you pay for.
Interesting 'review'. At least in my experience the shorter wheel base 3 axle bogie never ran as well as the longer version as under the Brush 4 &C. After very little running the locos I had experience with would have repeated sticky periods of slow speed for a few seconds while running. On my Cl. 50 I did replace the trailing truck with 6 wheel pickup but that did not help. I cannot justify the very considerable time to prove the point, but I believe the longer bogie can be made to run as well as the modern locos, with the massive advantage that motor brushes can be replaced. A LOT OF WORK IS INVOLVED, including major modifications to increase pickup. This probably applies to the shorter bogie version ,as with our Cl.50s as well. The bogies I mean had brass hex nuts on the gears. This particular loco might well have the wiring obstructing the gear teeth.
A few points 1/ Needs the longer bogie 2/ The abiding visual failing of this model is the front windscreens, but that does not worry most modellers. 3/ For non DKK runners I keep mentioning the June 1975 Kalmbach Model Railroader article by Don Hansen 'Throttle with a Future'. These throttles turn Lima into a different proposition entirely. The feel we had for modelling then was not as now; I'm not saying now fails, but it is different. If I were still following BR I would base my layout on Lima diesels and Wrenn steam outline, with a spray of Triang, and some scratch built. Needless to say all lima and Triang would be rebuilt. For anyone with doubts about the old stuff, just grab a decent pulse start throttle and compare a good example of the Wrenn/HD Castle with almost anything else. Poetry in motion. Just remember to use pulse for start and stop only, reverting to smooth DC for main sequence running. The usual rheostats used half wave rectified.
Within their intended purpose, I have experience of only the later Lima diesels, but as I knew it, Lima was remarkable, recommendable, and worthy of great respect.
That's really interesting - I for one am a huge fan of the Lima models - they represent a most accurate detailed depiction for a sensible price. With a bit of time and some modelling bits they can be almost as good if not better than the modern models!
@@timbervalleyproductions Yes, all depends what you are looking for. I think it was Monty Wells who published several articles in RM, all based on improvements. For me he did not go far enough. For example, he (from memory) had a go at the Cl 50 windscreens but did not remediate the shape of the cab roof which dictated the error. Similarly he did not go far enough on the drive modifications.
Particularly with DKKnsound (one word, I believe), we should be able to replicate the mass of the prototype shown at the 2min 38 second mark of ua-cam.com/video/5nHesKAxnpM/v-deo.html
As stated: it all depends what you are looking for; and this is what I am looking for. As you say, perhaps we can better the modern crop of models; yes: very probably. Remember the throttle I pointed you towards. Just because a motor has a three slot rotor does not mean it performs any the less; think of the flat Fleischmann motor. I was getting very good performance from my Lima EE Type 3, and Brush Type 4, and that was factory settings. I don’t know if brushes can still be obtained. I stress that to replicate the performance on that video clip requires a lot of work - and a lathe (or get someone interested at the local club)..
Inspection of the Cl.50 suggests various techniques for correction of the windscreens. A Mr Henderson in the Jan? 1966 RM wrote up a technique for moulding a new cab roof. A little thought would provide flush glazing. I notice someone (Shawplan?) has produced an etch for improving the windscreens of the EE 3.
Don’t forget the Dapol reproduction of the old Kitmaster Deltic. Find an old ‘brass hexnut’ bogie from a wreck. The glazing is missing from the kit, but as the glass seems to fit oversize behind the windshiels reglazing should be easy. Someone is currently running a series on the model. There you are: a challenge for you.
Hopefully someone will be inspired to have a go; it will not break the bank, and unlike moden models, the mechanism will last till the cows come home - all that’s needed is a bit of maintenance and a new set of brushes occasionally. If you are new to this game please observe the warnings on glues etc., and p-l-e-a-s-e put those bloody modelling knives safely down between cuts!
And yes: if you followed the link, the loco IS the prototype for the Triang R 159. I wish I had the opportunity to thank Mr Henderson, and A.C.N. Herd who wrote on scratchbuilding in the 1968
RM.
Time for me to shupup.
Left a little message on scratch........
...and I've left one back!
I think that it sounded awful when you ran it, I bet that you were pleased that you only had it on loan. I suppose these days and the expensive models you only get what you pay for. I like your video, Regards from Ron.
@@RonCooper-nl4pn That sound is pretty typical of most Lima locos - they have a very recognisable sound! I must admit, though, I am a big fan of the Lima locos, but you do very much get what you pay for.