Why the Winds of Winter Release Date is in 2024: GRRM Paused All Other Tie-in Books
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Don’t do that… don’t give me hope.
You want to just give up on hope? Like Brooks did?
@@thedragondemands5186 It's been over a decade since he released a book for the mainline series. At least Lucas and Tolkien finished their main works before going off to do things like expanded materials, encyclopedias, or prequels.
@@HolyknightVader999 can i have some nuggies papa
@@iMajoraGaming No nuggies, but have a big mac.
For real though
At this point I'd trust Little finger to be a genuinely good guy than trust GRRM on a potential release date.
Hmm. A fictional gaslighter interested only in maintaining his power, money, and glory on a bed of lies versus a real life gaslighter only interested in maintaining his power, money, and glory on a bed of lies. You're right. The author could make Baelish tell the truth. No force on Earth can compel Martin to stop lying about a book he is clearly not writing.
@@sypherthe297th2 That's a God damned eloquently put assessment of the state of affairs.
I think we will get The Winds of Winter eventually. It's A Dream of Spring that I'm worried about.
Exactly
He'll expire before that
Personally I think TWOW is what is really holding him up, not to say ADOS is gonna come out 2 or 3 years after we finally get winds but no possible way it will be another 12-15 years but he could still be dead before it comes out
Dream will stay just that, a Dream.
Winds will come out though, at least imo
@@ryanorielly5617 Dude is 74 and not in the best of health. I fear you are right. TWOW we could get, but the story may go unfinished.
I think The Winds of Winter has probably been the ultimate mereneese knot for GRRM where, tasked with building towards the story points that are “set in stone” he has gardened so much there are literally so many balls in the air and characters to manage I don’t doubt he wrote some during those inactive periods but I bet you money he spent a lot of time writing every chapter 20 times
Yeah I'd wager it was a smallish # of chapters that really messed him up
Yeah, I have always thought that was the case which is why I’ve always had the tiniest, probably naïve hope he finishes A Dream of Spring. He’s gardened so many branching plot lines and character arcs that I can imagine it’s really hard to rein them in to where he wants them to be for the ending he has planned. It’s why I hope that maybe, just maybe if Winds of Winter is finished he’ll have an easier time writing the final book since the characters will likely be more closely aligned to where he envisions them.
@@jacobyoung9981 my hope too. And as ASOIAF fans hope is all we have lol
I remember hearing that all the WoW chapters he gave sneak peaks of had to be completely rewritten. So I think he had to rewrite it
@@jacobyoung9981 it's basically like throwing 30 balls in the air and wanting them all to land in a specific sequence. It's easy to do it with 3 or 5 but he's given himself an enormous task
With George’s track record, I’ll believe it when I see the marketing material.
Ikr? I think they sworn 4-5 times already that he'd finish it _soon_ .
I'm optimistic we will get something in the main story by the end of 2024. My biggest worry is that George is underestimating how much of the story he has left to tell, and that he is clinging to the idea that he has to cram it into 7 books to the point it's impacting what he writes. If that's the case, I wish he would just get back to just writing the story, and it will take however many books it takes. Also, as fans, I think we would prefer to have more frequent, smaller books than waiting 12+ years for a monster book
I would rather keep the length as it has been. Yeah it sucks waiting so long, but remember these books aren't only being written for people right now but will possibly be read for many years to come by people for whom the 10+ year gap will be an obscure piece of trivia. I guess they could release it piecemeal like old serial novels, but personally the waiting is worse when you get a little bit at a time because your interest and suspense is continually raised.
I'm halfway through ADWD and I agree, in a way it almost feels like the story is only getting started (especially with the introduction of Young Griff/Aegon). I've heard some people say that TWOW might end up being split into 2 books (like a volume 1 and a volume 2) which would be pretty hype of that happens because that means there is still a lot of this incredible story to be told yet.
if he speeds up the main plot and doesn’t have people wandering around the river lands for multiple chapters he might be able to fit it
It doesn't really work like that though because he doesn't write the story chronologically, he'll write a single character to the end.
He should just write and what comes, comes if it’s 8 9 books so be it by my optimistic outlook is if he actually does release winds he will get it to a point where dream is possible before 2030 but I do think we will get winds probably not dream but I wish he would just release volumes hell even chapter by chapter where you pay per chapter at this rate I know his writing style doesn’t work with that since he has probably written and rewritten winds 3 times over word wise but let’s hope for the best
Martin is literally taking his foreshadowing to heart. He is going back in order to move forward with the story
I can appreciate your optimism but yeah…no. When I can go and pre-order the book - I’ll start getting excited. A decade of waiting and “oh, I’m definitely working on it this time” has taught me to feel good about my pessimism lol
A lot of people are saying they are concerned that we may not see ADOS, but I'm actually encouraged by how close we are to seeing TWOW. Given the number of chapters that were pushed from ADWD, I can see the same thing happening, perhaps even on a larger scale, with TWOW. After it's publishing, we could very well see a book that has numerous chapters cut and given over to ADOS where it could provide a head start. Although this same thing happened between AFFC and ADWD, so perhaps I'm just being too optimistic. Either way, I'm very excited.
honestly give me another book and let me die, I'd be happy with Winds, I've been waiting for YEARS. Not even Tears of The Kingdom took this long LMFAO
personally I'm more worried that even if this rate continues, George might not live long enough to finish them. Think about it the average lifespan of americans is 77, George is 74, next year he'll be 75, then it will take at least 5 years to finish ADOS, by which point he'll be 80 and that's assuming he doesn't decide to throw in another part. The only hope we have is that George sticks to 2 books, and has been at least in part been writing dream alongside winds
I feel like he got wind in his back (pun intended) and now knows not to pause so long
I'm one of those people concerned with not getting ADOS, *but*it's worth pointing out that the closer we get to the end the closer characters will be where they're supposed to be and the easier things will be to write because he probably already has a vision of the ending just how to get there is the part constantly changing. It's like that with Oda and One Piece, the series was supposed to be 5 years long, but now it's been almost 3 decades, but that entire time he's had the ending in mind and a lot of what was planned is finally coming to light it's just the filling in the middle gets bloated with authors like them constantly getting new ideas.
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Is it _possible_ that he's writing the two together, & just isn't saying so?
Like the novel equivalent of filming two movies back-to-back?
And we might get ADoS 6-12 months after TWoW?
I want to live in a little delusion, I guess...
I read the books in 2016 and the wait has been excruciating. I cannot imagine what the people that have been waiting the whole time must have felt like.
Dude, same story here. I remember “dying” for a long time hoping for the release. It just shows how good this stuff is, it’s crazy. The TV show could not fill the void…
I read the books at the start of 2012 but the tv series meant the wait didn't really kick in until after that finished. Now I legitimately don't care, the last season was a flop and it's been too long so the interest has gone. I came here just now for the laughs. The books will likely be finished one day even if someone else does it using his material. The readers of the future will have something great to read with a conclusion. But a release date of 2024? lmfao. I remember when it was going to be released in 2014 and thinking what a long time to wait.🤣
ive read Dance in 2011 when i was finishing my Bacherlor Degree. its been 13 years since then.
its slowly getting disillusioning and looking more and more like what happened to "Wheel of Time"
Wheel of time took so long because there’s 15 books but the longest time in between release dates is 4 years and that was because Jordan died. At least he was still regularly putting out books before then. George hasn’t put out a book in the main series in 13 years and counting . I feel bad for the people who have been reading the series since the first book came out
Winds of winter appears to be the turning point for many characters and plot points. It’s sort of like writing an intermission/build up to climax in music, to then return to the main theme in the end. After winds hopefully the next books will be already conceptualized, as winds is the bridge between them and what we already have.
I share the same feeling... That it's gonna be a huge turning point in which many characters will either die or change in a radical way. Jon is my favorite but I don't think he'll be the Jon we knew anymore.
I'm a writer, definitely not as prolific as GRRM, but my books also deal with a number of POV characters, 9 I think. Juggling those 9 already is tough, keeping the continuity intact, and staying true to their personalities... it's insane.
So when I say I understand why it's taken so long, I'm not just trying to defend my hero, I really do understand.
Add to that the r@pe the showrunners did to the plot, I'd be gutted, depressed, not really interested in doing much... they bloody r@ped his baby. So yeah, I get it.
Thanks for the update
Winds of winter should have been done before the show got far enough to r@pe his story he was one of my favorite authors now I am waiting for him to die before it is done so Brandon sanderson can finish
Even like 10 years ago I had heard that GRRM has hired superfans of the story to bounce ideas off of to make sure there are no continuity errors for the books. Not sure if that's true, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. The story and world has almost grown too big for one person to write for it.
Care to link your work? I'm still in the worldbuilding process of my writing, and I'm trying to get a gauge of how much "ensemble" I can truly manage to write effectively.
@@samskott2344e did that for f&B which didn't turn out great because the female writer got very upset about the Corey's actor being black and she went on a whole tangent about how asoiaf is and what it isn't. I think she even crapped on Grrm but to be honest I'm basing on what I remember.
@@Ashbrash1998 if that’s true that’s wild wtf is wrong with her
There is also the fact that GRRM personally commissioned an art piece of Rhaegar and Lyanna for the cover of the asoiaf 2024 calendar.
I’ll believe it when I see it. But, moment it’s confirmed, I’m re-reading the series to prep myself. I’ve long waited for this moment
It will never come out
@@LuisFigo4 A Dream of Spring, I’ll give you. I have 0 faith in him to finish the series and I long ago accepted that. Winds? Yes, that is possible.
Doubtful...all GRRM does is lie. He cares more about TV than Winds.
I've reread it 3 times each time thinking oh he will be done with Winds by the time I'm done...😞
People forget that George writes a lot. He had 200 pages of prolog for Feast and 200 pages of excess for Dance. He wrote 400+ pages of content for book 4 and 5.
He wrote so much that he had to split the book into 2 separate books.
When George says he's 2/3rds done, it's likely he is done, but writing way more than necessary.
He has voiced that he doesn't want the book split. I imagine it will take months to fully edit, trim, and organize the book
All good points😊
I would wager that the book is pretty much done, like all chapters written or very few missing. It’s more him going back editing revising and changing stuff up. Like a painting where you rework sections keep adding detail etc. it’s a large canvas that he’s filled entirely with paint. But some sections still need to embellished, reworked, or more detail fine tuning added.
He probably is writing a lot...just not WoW hahaha
It makes me happy every time you mention that the show didn't go bad when "they ran out of books" because that's such a pet peeve of mine. I read the books AFTER the show ended, and I was Shocked by how different they were. Especially starting season 5 and what they did to Dorne, but also tons of other stuff. I kept double checking when the seasons and the books came out because I couldn't believe that they abandoned all this epic and interesting stuff when it was already out.
I really really hope that GRRM finishes the series, but especially would love to at least see Winds. I'll never stop hoping that he'll finish it. It's better to be hopeful and sometimes disappointed, than to be cynical, bitter and enjoy nothing.
I'd really be interested in a major video channel actually making a video on "I only read the books AFTER the show ended" - problem was anyone running a UA-cam channel at least skimmed them by that point. General audiences who weren't invested enough to read the books wouldn't make a youtube channel to react "dear god, the Sansa rape isnt even in the books?" - weren't people listening when all these controversies happened?
I have doubts about that 3 month turn around. Maybe for a digital release. But for a physical release I bet it takes longer now than it used to. There has been a real break down across all industries of what used to be basic workflows. But maybe a high profile release from a major publisher like this will be immune.
there’s going to be SO MUCH preorders on the digital release, they can seriously be chill about it
GRRM edits his pages while writing them. So the editing process with his works is a lot shorter than with other authors. With that in mind 3 months is pretty realistic.
At this point I don't believe anything Martin says when it comes to scheduling or when something might be done. I don't think he's lying intentionally, I think he just lies to himself and had zero ability to estimate. He's a slave to his whims and moods.
Yes
I refuse to give up hope, especially when you have examples of other authors took decades to complete some of their epic work.
Stephen King and his Dark Tower series for instance.
I consider the show as an entirely different production than the book series and far inferior, I can safely state that with confidence even though the final two books have yet to be released.
😅 just like he was going to have the book ready to come out before Season 6
I specifically explain that in this video
@@thedragondemands5186 and I disagree with some of your statements or explanations
GRRM lied, he's a proven liar. Why would anyone give more merit to these recent statements over her proven lies before
Oh, you sweet summer child. If I could count how many times I've done this kind of theorycrafting with all things ASOIAF since the early 2000's. But, as always, I hope you're right.
I doubt it
George had a whole pandemic where he was (along with the rest of us) legally obliged to be locked indoors and he managed to twiddle his thumbs. I have VERY little hope we'll ever see this work come out.
that is unfair, for most people the pandemic was a terrible time for getting creative work done
Actually he finished two thirds of the book during that pandemic - did you even watch this?
@@thedragondemands5186 He has repeatedly lied about book updates / completion status. Have you even heard any of his book release promises?
@@splitprune If you say so.
The problem was never about having enough time.
I don't think so. All it tells me is that once this writers' strike blows over, he'll work on shows like the upcoming Dunk and Egg or Aegon's Conquest now that House of the Dragon was proven to be a success.
I dont even know why he's making dunk and egg, he never finished their books
@@thekrakensdaughterprobably to get the Story out there because those books are likely never going to get done.
@@charlinethom1624 if he already has the story figure out why didn't he just published them? he's probably just let the showrunners do what they want as ending like he did with game of thrones
@@thekrakensdaughterBecause he would need to write them. Putting a tv show out there is a lot easier than writing an entire book and much less time consuming for the author.
@@thekrakensdaughterhence why I have 0 interest in hedge knight, beyond how long before it becomes a bastardized fanfic
The real Winds of Winter is all the friends we made while waiting and commiserating together for it to be published. 🙃
Thank you for this good news. Whatever happens, I hope George is happy and enjoying writing this book. He has achieved something great and I'm sure it will conclude well. I've never believed the cynical opinions like "he's sick of it" or "he has too many balls in the air and doesn't know what to do". I think he has high standards and rewrites and rewrites until satisfied. I also think that the positive experience of making HotD and the feeling that it will be a more faithful adaptation has reinvigorated him.
Those really aren't opinions. He has written a few hundred pages of his life's work over 12 years while watching the first half of the story go on to be one of the most beloved narratives ever written. We have encyclopedias, maps of places we'll never go, multiple stories about characters that don't exist elsewhere, and a thriving ego in GRRM that is happy to go on stage at ten conventions a week, wear a little hat, press his hands together and talk about gardening, meanwhile Jon Snow has been dead since before Obama got reelected.
10 months after publishing and no word. Have 7 months left to see if it comes true.
It won't
Optimistic take: I don't think Dream of Spring will be hard to write (compared to Winds of Winter).
WOW is the book that ties all the stories together and need to harmonize. DOS is more or less the Epilog.
People used to say the same thing about Dance.
In case nobody is aware this is potentially great news. In Spain we just had a couple of years of no official ASOIAF in book stores. The company that had the rights until now didn’t want to buy the rights for F&B because they were too expensive and they dropped production on the books. Just now after 2 years of those being on standby Penguin Random House Spain has announced that they have bought the rights and will be re-publishing the 5 ASOIAF novels AND the next one when it’s ready. This move, being from the company that also has the rights in the US and more countries, clearly indicates that TWOW is coming sooner rather than later since that’s a huge financial move. Gives me hopes.
The rise of the dragon illustrator was giving too many hints on Twitter. “The winds are winding strongly” and “new years is a good time to gift books”. My most optimistic hope is 2024
The prediction video was a really well done back-of-the-envelope calculation, which I say as a physicist (we love our back-of-the-envelope problems). You even characterize the uncertainty, which is itself not a simple estimate to do. It's even more impressive to see it tentatively born out, barring unforseen hiccups (what we might call a systematic error, which is outside of the theoretical errors).
They "abandoned the plots of the 4th and 5th novels". Post season 3 was when I got into the books and when I got my dad into the books and the show. Season 4 was... hesitantly okay, but extremely worrisome. My dad and I discussed it in real time (like, multi-hour discussions every week). Season 5 was all we needed to know to confirm our suspicions. He called it quits then, I watched Season 6 just to see if our predictions were correct and report back. I really, really wish we had been wrong. Unfortunately, I know a good number of people that think Season 5-7 were fine on their own -- why would you think it's bad, let alone not the actual plot. Gonna be a bit difficult not gloating over being right when WoW comes out...
Big turning point is when they dropped the Tysha reveal as the motivation for Tywin’s death in the season 4 finale
@@thedragondemands5186 I think about that a lot actually...
Tyrion whitewashing and shirtless Ramsey were the signs for what is to come...
@@kuman0110 Cogman is PROUD of that shirtless Ramsay effortlessly defeating Asha Greyjoy's ironborn scene. He is not your friend. No one actually listened to commentaries where he's saying how great all of this nonsense is. He has a "friendly" routine he uses to gladhand people, but he was fully on board with all of this. He's not a real trained writer.
I have friends who won't watch House of the Dragon until it releases in full for much the same reason. I don't blame them for it.
I'll believe it when I see it. I've seen that GRRM also doesn't think he'll ever finish ASOIAF because of all the other projects he's got on the burners for HBO. Fans of the books will be lucky if we get TWOW before Hell literally freezes over. He's got multiple series that he's trying to work on in addition to more Fire & Blood. It seems like he's spreading himself way too thin to be able to maintain a fresh interest in keeping up the writing. Besides, he doesn't seem to think he'll be around too much longer. He needs to take care of his health and dedicate the bulk of his spare creative energy on a few solid projects rather than trying to maximize what he takes on.
In Spain there wasn't a publishing house because they were waiting for winds. Now there is a new one with new covers, there must have been something that convinced them.
Another piece of evidence, yes I saw that
Petition to remake GoT after Season 4 into a faithful adaptation of the books
You already have some problems in Seasons 2, 3 and 4. Among some: Talisa/Robb romance, Stannis' characterisation, no Tysha mention in season 4
This doesn't affect the timeline - but it might give it more clarity. From what I know of TV production, a TV script per year wouldn't be too much of a distraction. Given that George RR Martin is an experienced TV writer and already knew what he'd be writing - it wouldn't take him that long to complete scripts. A TV script for game of thrones would be around 60 pages (maybe more, maybe less depending on the episode). It could take him as little as a month to get it done (rewrites and all), though that's probably unlikely.
this happens all the time he pauses too work on winds then promises too be released soon and we are back too square 1
I also think that if he successfully narrows the story in TWOW that ADOS will be written more quickly too. Hopefully it gets there eventually
Yeah, if George gets everything right winds could be the perfect set up book for dream
Right
I do believe that most people who say "Oh, the show got bad when they ran out of books" actually didn't read the books. There are a lot of people who loves the show and don't have a clue of how rich and deep the story is in the books. They maybe read some Wiki on a few characters and found out about somethings in the books and try to justify how bad the show got by the most obvious (season seven and eight). Only a handful of book readers will have the nerve to say "well, things got bad after season six" with a straight face.
I would say it got pretty uneven starting around season 5
They don’t even google it
Things got bad when they left Young Griff out
@@marthvader14 …that sounds like Blackfyre talk!
@@thedragondemands5186 🖤🔥🐉
8:14 But people loved Season 6. Some people say it's their favorite. It was 7/8 where people started hating it. (A Dream of Spring "outline".) And yes you could see the cracks in Season 5.
I'm really hoping he's been working on ADOS as well as WOW. Dying for this book to come out. If he hasn't been working on ADOS at all, I don't think we'll ever see it
I don't think that forum screencap is as clear cut as you're presenting it, it says they're making plans based on him finishing TWoW *and/or* F&B2 within the next year. That is still good news, in that they're basing relatively short term plans on him finishing at least one of those two big projects (and it's even a possibility that he finishes both). But even in this statement, it's possible he finishes F&B but not TWoW. Also George is famously bad with deadlines, maybe the publishers believe this timeline is likely but it may not be so in reality.
I'm not trying to be pessimistic, I'm not pessimistic about the book in general and I even think it's reasonable he'll finish book 7 if he doesn't take too much longer with this one (I think the reason it's taken so long has been in regards to specific circumstances at the end of 4/5 being difficult for him to work through). But throughout all this, what's contributed most to people's disappointment is reading too much into progress reports and then interpreting that too generously.
Hey if he’s on a roll and knocks out F&B part 2 in a single year’s worth of work I’d consider that a win
TWOW will come out in the next two years. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever get a completed ADOS
No matter when we get a Winds of Winter the series still will never be finished
This seems entirely too optimistic.
I'm resigned to the fact he's written himself into a corner, and would rather leave a legacy of an unfinished series (by himself), rather than a bad ending.
The series will be completed eventually, either by publishers using other writers or some sort of fan canon, but not by GRRM.
When i found out he literally wrote the back story for elden ring i gave up hope. It is not happening
Oh, my sweet summer child… you look at the flames and see in them what you want to see.
As a fan of Man of Steele and Dawn of justice that used to cry "release the Snyder cut" and cheered when Ray Fisher wore a I heart Z.S. shirt to commicon I an pumped to getting the Martin Cut, I can't wait to be vindicated.
I do think it’s gonna be in 2/2 Winds of winter volume one then later down the road Volume two
Personally I'm glad that GRRM was sidetracked into writing the three prequel DUNK & EGG novellas, I've enjoyed them far more than his ASOIAF magnum opus.
You don't need a Ph.D in Westerosi history, focusing on the many waves of migration that populated Westeros and resulted in which dynastic noble houses dominated the land. Also useful is an understanding of the many skills lost with the Doom (fall) of the far more advanced civilisation of Ancient Valyria, and the Essos migration period of the barbarian Dothraki horse nomads.
I find it useful because I've studied enough actual history to recognise where GRRM found his inspiration but I wouldn't devote myself to the necessary study to learn purely fictional pseudohistory.
DUNK & EGG offers just as much entertainment and excitement, without the need to know a millennium of complex internecine struggle as a prerequisite for understanding the plots.
Ooook
Your channel is what really opened my eyes back during season 5
Thanks
He's been lying about it. Every time he's ever spoken on it in the last 3 years has been b.s. he's only canceling the other stuff because its all tied to tv projects so he has to stop.
True. Hes been gaslighting people for years. He probably stopped writing at some point between 2017 and 2019, saw the pandemic as a get out of jail free card to continue the grift, and even after still couldn't own up to it. His behavior every time he's challenged just proves it. That is how conman behave when they are getting close to being caught out.
The fact of the matter is he doesn't owe anyone TWOW or ADOS and he could simply retire (he technically already has but he won't admit it). But the lying. The lies are simply unforgivable because he knows people would utterly lose interest in him if he told the truth. He loves the spotlight and the adulation. He will NEVER give it up.
I really hope your predictions come true mate! I have been waiting for this book since 2011, and honestly i gave up hope until the update last summer..
Is there actually some sort of traceable source to any of this information? Does anybody have a link?
you might want to filter out the sound of your copium canister in the background going off but other then that its a great video!
😂
If winds gets released this year. We will most likely get announcement in the summer when HOTD is on the air, maybe in the season premiere or last episode. When the hype is at its height. Just my guess.
SUCH a relief to see people talking positively and hopefully about getting the book-- it seems like 99% of the fandom has been on team We Are Never Getting It Ever, and I tell you, if I was GRRM and I saw all the people expecting me to die before finishing it, it sure as hell wouldn't inspire faster writing. These books are enormous, and they are absolute masterpieces, and people simply Do Not Understand how much work they require. I for one have never lost faith that we'll get the full series, and it's SUCH a relief to see other people also on team Yeah We Will Get This Book One Day.
We'll still all be dead before this series ends...
Around 13:30 et al, I'm genuinely curious. Do you yourself look forward to a new book at all as just that, a new book? Something to enjoy? Something that's part of the bigger book series that you've (probably) enjoyed so far?
As both. As a new book AND Revenge.
Boy, I truly wish I had the talent to write a book and make millions of people extremely happy. I remember Elvis Presley once said he didn’t mind when his fans tore his shirt off his back when he was trying to leave a concert because they’re the ones who put it there.
I honestly hope you’re right, but I do have skepticism about him finishing it and it being out in 2024.
Like you said, he’s stopped working on projects before without releasing the book. So that could easily happen again. A 2025-26 release seems to make more sense to me given his previous rate of writing given the average number of pages he writes.
I loved the show. I still can pick out great things in seasons that were not good. The way they did the Jon reveal flowing into crowning him King in the North, holding of the door, blowing up the sept and knighting Brienne. However, it was obvious things were going to become drastically different when omitting characters, such as Jeyne which caused the Sansa story to change. Or changing characterizations/ making up new characters for some reason or another such as Shea and Jeyne to Talisa. That's greatly changes how the story flows. I think ignoring Tysha did a great disservice to Tyrion's story. I believe that was the moment I seriously noticed the show was going to get worse. Calling Tysha a whore was big deal to Tyrion because she wasn't but was convinced she had to be to "love" him and what Tywin made her do. Calling Shea a whore was just a fact haha. This doesn't even hit on Stone Heart, Connington and Aegon. Let alone the DRASTICALLY different Euron. In the books that man is terrifying. It's clear the books will be drastically different. I can't wait to read WoW! I want the proper storyline.
Yes
Winter is coming, my friends. Eventually.
Worry about the Spring.
Here I sit in the year 2024 with no news of Winds, and no release date in sight 😢 maybe next year?
I said LATE 2024
I had this idea in the beginning of the year that Martin will make an announcement by the end of the year. I think that may actually pan out. It is only a matter of when in that time, and what the announcement might be.
So I don’t think it’s going to come out. Ever… but if it does, Dream of Spring WILL NOT take nearly as long, for one main reason- all his threads for the conclusion need to come together for Winds. The journey towards the story’s ends got to be the hardest hump to get over.
Honestly... I think you make a good point. But I want to add that I think the same terror exists for some people because of theories as well. People have lived with their theories for a very long time now. Obviously this isn't a majority. But they've defended their own version of what they expected for a long time and it will hit them a lot harder. They would perhaps want to convince themselves the last books won't happen so they can hold onto their own ideas.
I'm not in denial, I don't think it won't come out, I will only believe that the book is really out when I see that people have already received their Amazon orders. That said I do believe GRRM when he says that he writes faster when he can see the finish line, which will be the case with Dream.
A song of Ice and Fire is done. In his mind, the story has been completed a long time ago.
All the clues for the storylines of the main characters are in book one.
Whoever wants to discover the end of the story should just read the first book 16 times and watch the tv show… once.
I have read the books, 1-5, three times. I've listened to the Audiobooks twice. Read the trheee Novellas 2 times.
I've been so frustrated at times over TWoW and so angry at George at different times because of how invested I was emotionally at this story and not having any payoff and questions that only keep building. That being said, something intuitive within me told me to start the books again. Refresh myself with the details. Obviously I've felt that before or I wouldn't have been through them 5 times but this time feels different. I really think we're getting the book in the next year. Maybe Christmas. At least an announcement.
I used to hold out hope that he decided to hold Winds back so he could do a staggered double release. I don't believe that anymore but I have to think the finishing the story, Dream, is going to be infinitely easier than tying all those paths, worlds apart. together in Winds. By the end of Winds all of the characters should be close to converged. They will all be near each other. And that's hard to do given he was still building tension at end of Dance.
I think he held it back because he totally lost motivation from what happened in the TV series. If you look at all the interviews he's given since then, he only talked about ASOIAF when forced to do so by some interviewer (which, of course, was every interview). When not forced to talk about ASOIAF, he talked passionately about his other projects. People talk expansively about what they are passionate about. He was passionate about every other project he did. And that is totally understandable!! And all this public demand and condemnation of him can't have helped - that would have worsened the situation if anything. ASOIAF was a passion project - it had to have been to be written so well. I don't think writing well, or any artistic endeavour, works without that passion. Plus he's obviously a perfectionist, which is why his books are so well written. And the TV disaster had to have had a devastating affect on his motivation for his own story. Add that to the enormous unceasing pressure that has been there for adding to a series that was so globally loved, by an unthinking rather stupid public. This video finally comes close to expressing that. This is what I personally thought had happened all along. It was only common sense. If someone had destroyed my passion project so utterly, I'm not sure that I would ever have motivation towards it again, and any pressure, particularly that kind of global pressure, would only deepen that feeling.
If this is true, and he has finally found some motivation again, awesome! But I don't blame him in the least for loosing it for a while. He gave the public some fabulous fiction, and in return that public behaved fairly unthinkingly, childishly and selfishly in their demands. He doesn't owe them or I anything. He's a human being, not an AI robot. I would certainly love to see the next book, but I wish him the best in whatever endeavour he does, whether it's to finish the series, the book or other projects.
I believe if he can get the winds of winter done that he can finish a dream of spring a lot faster with it being the last book. He knows how it’s gonna end and he’s taking his time to make sure everything goes to plan in this book so it’s taking him longer. Once he’s on the last book he should be able to write it fast since he already knows how he wants it to end.
I hate to remind everyone but we all realize there is another entire world and canon ending book left after this one that will presumably take him until ten years after his passing to complete, right? We will never get to see the end of his series. He wrote until he got famous. Now he does interviews.
This is lethal levels of copium my friend, seek help
I think he is finally zeroing in on finishing it hopefully he can get some of or all of a dream of spring out before any projects start to stack up. The amount of prequel and spinoff shows being announced is worrying.
Why do you believe when George says things? He consistently lies with every update he has given us for over a decade. Even with things that have nothing to do with Winds of Winter see him lying also.
Even the man who has nothing can still have Faith.
Words are wind.
...and words ABOUT wind are especially windy.
what did he lie about 😮
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 It isn't that hard to find out. Google it.
God I hope you're right i'm so hopeful to read TWOW next year... i've been longing for this since 2017
So Brandon Sanderson announced that he finished his next book ( great author, totally different style from GRRM ). Anyway, he said that the next book will be published in November, editing and publishing and stuff. So, i guess George has to announce that WoW is done in the next month or so? 😂 you know it, one can hope!!!!
I’ll believe it when I see it. Part of me has known for a while that this series will have to be finished by Brandon Sanderson.
I'll believe it when it actually happens. Until then, I have no faith he will finish the next novel, WOW or the ADOS.
Basically he's too engrossed in his new gold mine of money, HBO's House of Dragons & 2 more planned seasons; also many possible spin -offs of more tv shows based on his work. This is easier for him and gives him the perfect excuses not to get his novels done.
I'm sorry I ever invested my time & money into his unfinished books.
I'm right there with you. I read the first 5 books, then started watching the series. I was uneasy that the books weren't finished and the show was going to overtake them. This never leads to anything good, and I was proven right with the crap show the last 3 seasons turned into. I had hope that at least we had the books to tell the complete tale, but we're still waiting and waiting. Meanwhile, he's working on Dunk and Egg? Uh....thanks but no. I want to see what happens in Ice and Fire. Go back to Dunk and Egg when you've finished the tale that started it all.
THIS IS THE BEST NEWS I'VE HAD IN THE LAST 6 YEARS!!!
DEAR GOD PLEASE🙏, PLEASE🙏, PLEASE🙏, PLEASE🙏, LET IT BE TRUE!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
My great hope is that he's been writing both Winds and Spring concurrently and that's why it's taking so long. Worst case scenario he has a detailed outline of Spring's story beats and Brandon Sanderson finishes it.
Yeah we just have to hope he has been lying to everybody when he says he’s only starting on Dream after winds is released
Sanderson would not be the right guy for ASOIAF imo
Barndo was asked about that and he said he won't finish it and that he is not the right guy to do so
@@jadenmoyers837 Where has he stated this?
@@Naberius359 I don’t know exactly but I’ve seen a few random articles saying that George said he wasn’t working on dream until winter was done. I guess it could be wrong but I don’t know
oh, Dragon Demands. Your boundless optimism is as admirable as it is ill advised. Besides, even if this book comes out tomorrow, there is still the mammoth that is "A Dream of Spring' to contend with. And I very much doubt George has been writing them simultaneously or out of order, so I hope, for our sakes, that he's got a ghostwriter shadowing him in case he bites the dust (god forbid) before the deed can be done.
I don't doubt that Winds will be released in 2024. I do doubt that A Song of Ice and Fire will be finished in 7 books. Martin originally intended there to be 3 way back when, and then Martin originally tried to use a 5 year gap between A Storm of Swords and A Feast for Crows, but that plan didn't work out. And even then A Feast for Crows was split off from what was originally gonna be the next book, A Dance With Dragons. Perhaps the next book will be called A Time for Wolves, and if there isn't another volume needed, maybe then A Dream of Spring can fit.
Unless he blows up some septs, I don’t buy he can do it in less than 8.
I’ve always had a pet tinfoil theory that part of what has taken so long with winds has been him attempting to avoid expanding to an eighth book. (Which I agree always has seemed a possibility)
I think his indication that the far north will be the focus in winds and a dream of spring, he has a resolution in mind. Even though he is a gardener writer, I dont doubt he has the idea of how it will end. He just has intertwining political plots to resolve effectively. The big hurdles are getting daenerys to westeros which I believe will be the ending of winds, and jons ressurection. On top of that you have the whole aegon issue which will be a definite problem for Daenerys and her arrival to westeros.
Same i am just looking at all the opened plotlines and even if he ignores all the small mysteries he put in, it doesn’t feel like what’s rest is only two books
Wait you believe Jon is dead?
I don't know I think if we see the ending it'll be done in two and they'll be some people saying it felt rushed and sudden but I'm not sure I'll be one of them.
I think if Winds ends with the start of the long night then I don't see the need for two books covering the fight against the others. I also don't think the ending has to be as complete as a lot of people do. It's not like every political issue needs to be completely resolved with one ruler sitting the Iron Throne and everyone happy. As long as every character has an ending than I don't mind the world not having one. If anything that seems more accurate and believable. But really we can't say until we read it so we just have to wait.
Does anyone have the source for where he got the info that "GRRM Paused All Other Tie-in Books"? Thanks
The forum post I scteenshotted in this
Wow amazing, if only he hadn't been saying this for the past couple of years. I don't trust him on release dates or even working on it anymore. If he does release the book I will be very glad and absolutely positively surprised, I just can't see it. Not that my opionion matters (or even should matter) to him.
Couple more like 10😅😅😅
Sadly…It’s not coming. We’ve been thru this before. He’s lost his handle on it.
While publishers don’t wait for Christmas releases they do sometimes have to wait for printing availability. They’re not going to do that for Winds of Winter though - that monster is getting slapped on pages as soon as they can flip the switch.
the only minor pushback i'd say is in regards to publishing. it takes considerably more time than 3 months. 90 days is generous imo. the average book depending on size (and obviously author) takes anywhere from 7-18 months respectively. especially from high profile authors. a perfect example is Sanderson, he obviously writes faster than most authors but on march 1st, 2022 he announced his new 5 books that he wrote during covid and turned them in, the first book didn't arrive on shelves until February of this year, an 11 month wait. Now obviously circumstances are always different etc and i'd assume PRH would push winds out the door as fast as they could but 90 days would be pushing it imo. great vid as usual though!!
I agree with WezMan444. I am excited yet apprehensive. I hope and pray he’s going to finish it soon! However, I have always been of the mind that people need to give him space and not scrutinize every line he ever writes. I think people could accidentally be influencing him by writing fan fiction. Let him write. I hope he puts all hope other projects on the back burner to finish Winds of Winter.
I'm staying positive, seeing how this ends is really important to me.
If I was Martin, I would use the release of TWOW to announce I was breaking up ADOS into two books, that way people will get ADOS quicker and cut in half the wait. I would also clear my schedule completely, only times I appear at panels is via zoom and give all spin off material to trusted people to handle.
You're assuming that GRRM wants to finish it. He doesn't, if he wanted he would've finished. To him to be successful and famous is much more important than his craft.
Thank you for the wake-up call. I was part of the "they run out of books" team myself and of course as a book fan I knew how much they butchered Dorne, the Sansa story, Young Griff etc but I didn't really thought about it.
I don’t care about what the tv show did….I WANT the books to come out, but I also think they won’t b/c GRRM gave them the gist of how things will go, and he stopped working on it for so long b/c he was deflated thinking that people won’t be thrilled to read the rest. That’s why I have this theory that IF he does put out book 6 like u claim he will, depending on the sales #’s and how it’s received will dictate whether or not he releases the last book prior to his death.
His head has over-inflated since the success of the show, so I think his pride ultimately dictates what’s going on with the completion of ASOIAF. I wish he wouldn’t tho b/c there are so many other characters not in the show who I’d like to see have pivotal character arcs-like Victarion Greyjoy-I’d love to see more action from him. He was the reason I bought a House Greyjoy sweatshirt. Also, I think Aryas story could be developed better and have a way better role. Varys too. Tyrion too. I’d love to see Jamie get out from under Circe’s thumb and redeem himself.
But depending on how book 6 is received will dictate how quickly book 7 comes out. GRRM might not be able to face the criticism & might take the cowards way out, dictating the last book not be released till after death…I’m actually thinking this will happen regardless b/c that’s just how GRRMs inflated head works now and is befitting your typical narcissist…
I’d be willing to bet a serious sum of $ on it. Book 7 will ONLY be released Posthumously.
Ive actually had the same thought. If you look at pacing over the years and how hes been pacing himself the last several years. 2024 makes sense. Especially with the news of other things getting paused. Its a good sign..
Im calling fall 2024
Finally a coherent take about Winds of Winter and D&D. Earned yourself a sub, especially for the unexpected but cogent psychoanalysis of the hyperbolic pessimism and toxic character assassination you see on a lot of bigger fanchannels.
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy
Seems like you’re having trouble with some of those words. Here I’ll help you out. Cogent means clear, logical, and convincing. Psychoanalysis here is used here to describe psychological analysis. Hyperbolic can be replaced with over-the-top if that’s easier for you. And toxic character assassination… well I think you know what that means. There you go eat your vegetables and you too will grow big and strong 💪.
@@johkupohkuxd1697 I’m more interested in counter-arguments but it seems like you’re all out of stock
Well I’m trying. More logical explanation is that they were just never paying attention and never bothered googling it.
@@NotYurAverageJoe gosh mister you're so smart! One day I hope I'm as intellectual and sophisticated as you! Maybe one day I'll get to vote for Hillary Clinton too!!!
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy lmao oky dokie keep up the good fight ser edgelord knight of the brainrot. You show those invisible hillary clinton voters whose boss!
Funniest part is how the original comment wasn’t even trying to sound smart the way you make it out, just using the most efficient vocab I could. If that seems like word salad to you, you should try reading GRRM!
Publisher’s will probably try to time the release for around HOTD to capitalise on the hype boost sales.
This vid is really great, you make a lot of really important points here
I’ll never lose hope
*cuts to end of 2024* book isn’t released..yet
I call BS. I firmly believe he wrote himself into a wall/hole that he has no idea how to get out of/around.