Yeah that guy looked hipstery but might not even be a soyboi, it's really more of an attitude than a look. Also Tenma likes muscles because she's based and I've never met a based woman who complained about men getting more fit and muscular.
When they mention the unnatractive people is likeable as a defense argument they always use super hot guy from those unnatractive groups as an example lol
@@zerrodefex Outside of a few chicks with a fetish, it is very rare to run into women who are into ultra ripped body builder types. Chicks in general like fit dudes, but not roided out hulk wannabes. It's the same with men. Although most men like fit women, it is pretty rare that you will find men who are into body builder chicks. Again it's a bit of a fetish thing, an exception to the rule.
Those aren’t the soyboys we know of. Those are kpop boys. They wear makeup and designer jewelry but also hit the gym and eat protein, both animal and tofu.
I don't even think it's an ironic thing-- women are going to be around women more than they're going to be around men, so it's only natural that both good and bad social experiences will be more same-sex than intersex.
So women want average guys and no woman has ever given me the time of day despite my best efforts. I didn't think my self esteem could get any lower, but there it is descending to the planet core.
If no women ever given you "the time of day" then it's probably not your looks that is causing the issue. But don't get your hopes up, it might be reinforcing it.
Friend, unfortunally the low self-esteem could be a factor. Start doing something you would be proud of regardless of people's reaction to it so the rejection won't feel like punishment. It would also allow people to interact with you without managing your sensitivity, i.e relaxed.
Yeah but pippa vomits into drawers and has literally rotted teeth... I think shes already fucked in the head. Shes gotta be discarded from the scatterplot we're building here.
Women will literally say they're not attracted to a specific type of guy and then end up dating that specific guy. Seen it happen so many times and after a while I just gave up trying to understand them lmao
The “I don't like fit guys” is the female version of the male “you look better without makeup” test. Male lived experience contradict this, and every guy that hits the gym for some time can attest to this, same as women know they are perceived to be more beautiful with makeup.
Ding ding, correct. It the extreme people often have in their mind when they say it, like makeup applied with an airless paint sprayer and not understated touch-ups which clueless blokes think is 'natural'.
You don't even need big muscles either in most cases, just need to get your bodyfat down to a healthy level and have some visible muscle definition in at least your arms. That alone puts you ahead of the noodle-armed soybois.
Meh. Depends. Yes women temporarily look better with make up, but if I had a girl I'd prefer her not to wear any. It's bad for her skin which will degrade in quality as time passes. Besides if I am to oftenly see her without make up what's the point in her wearing it?
Ehhh. It's not really that men are on average more unattractive. It's that women are far more "picky". Women rate something like 80% of men as "below average". So statistically if a woman says "I'm fine with average men" what she actually means is "I like the top 20th percentile or better" but doesn't know that her standards are far higher than "average" since most other women are chasing the same standards. That said, women are less concerned with physical appearance than men are, and are more likely to care about your bank account or your social status, things that are somewhere between tertiary and irrelevant for most men looking for legitimate relationships.
To be fair I've heard the same thing about Margot Robbie, and while she isn't my type, it would be kind of insane to suggest she is "mid" It's probably just contrarianism that becomes a meme. But there is considerable evidence that women consider something like 80% of men to be "below average" when asked. So the point is right, it's just not so extreme as to put Henry in the "mid" camp.
@@Paul-bs5wl I've considered Beyoncé not particularly attractive, but my rationale was more about how her image was/is rather artificial. She's certainly not _ugly._ That aside, my personal experience has me having a divide between what's aesthetically pleasing and what's sexually attractive-- it's almost two entirely different tracks, even if I'd typically use the same words to describe someone fitting into either category.
@@yesyes-om1po sure you fucking can. You have no idea how much being lovely and interesting makes you hotter. Combine it with good hygiene, a nice outfit, make-up if you must, and you're golden. Have you looked at long-term couples in 30s, how much of them are 'attractive-attractive'? I won't deny that simply good looks have an advantage with hook-ups, but no need to get fatalistic about it.
@@idratherhidethat6033seiso means virgin in normal talk so I doubt😂 She clearly has at least some dating experience if she is willing to talk about these things.
Those stats are heavily skewed. Most of the dating population does not do it online in the first place. Users on dating apps are overwhelmingly men. There are few women to men on them in the first place. The distribution is not nearly as skewed once you adjust for the male to female user ratio. Dating profiles are based on the most superficial information, giving the advantage traits that most men are average in. If you look into the history of them, this is by design. The structure is intended to serve a small pool of privileged men through what basically amounts to a revolving door harem, while most men are there to be the suckers that the privileged get to see themselves as superior to. While womens' rating of men is certainly skewed, dating apps provide much more complicated if not outright flawed data than people usually construe it as.
If only on the internet, I've seen women describe "dad bod" as out-of-practice Jason Momoa. Meanwhile, I'm thinking Hank Hill, and Hank used to be an athlete. I know he's a fictional character, but his body type is still accurate for a middle aged man that isn't that active. It is _baffling_ to read. What dads are those types looking at? Or, rather, they should just be saying "ex-athlete".
I'm 60 and alone, never married, no kids. Some of us there is just nobody for us. I've determined to do my best to be as happy as I can be regardless. People recognize the term "spinster aunt." I am a spinster uncle. (yes Gretchen is a guy, it's a video game name I use a lot.)
I was about to ask "Wasn't Hänsel the guy?" but turns out I had no reading comprehension for a bit. Despite your situation (saying it this way implies it's negative tho), your mindset seems healthy. Life goes on. But if you do feel unhappy about it, it can be worth it to pursue more. Or maybe you already are? Either way, I wish you the best, even if I'm just a lil internet stranger!
Why are you addicted to online anime vtubers who are designed to cheat money the same way foreign women in thailand and Philippines do but they come with actual relationships and sex? If you are 60 I thought you would be smarter about your life.
"if there is a completely average looking girl, people will call her ugly" that is definetly bullshit, i have only heard this a few times and those times have been women talking about other women
If anything woman can date men like 3-4 points on the 1-10 hotness scale higher than them. Men's standards are quite a bit lower than women's standards for other women, I got a buddy who only dates like 1's and 2's and he's not even that busted. Some of those Tinder chicks he gets have been actually unsettling to look at when I've met them and their personalities are even worse, I'm talking they're raising more red flags than the Soviet army in Berlin 1945. Women are playing on easy mode when it comes to looks, and they even get makeup to completely fix whatever's fucked up with their face with no societal repercussions whatsoever.
See, my experience is the exact opposite. Guys are more willing to call a girl ugly just because they dislike her. I've never really heard girls comment on each other's looks, except to compliment them.... I think it's a matter of environment and who you associate with, tbh.
Nobody gives a shite if a guy is average looking (other than weird Internet people, which is a very recent trend), for women appearance is much more important to their identity, universally, in all cultures on Earth. An average looking guy in a normal society will not give nearly as much of a shit about his appearance compared to an average looking woman. Your average average-looking woman will make a huge effort of improving her looks. That's because a normal society doesn't care that much about the attractiveness of men, but does about the attractiveness of women. Yes, really attractive men can attract a lot of attention, but that doesn't change the point above. The reason men have a harder time dating than women is not because women care about men's looks that much, it's because they have a lot more choices, they are more cautious and they are less desperate for segs. Women are evolutionarily programmed to select their partner very carefully if they can because of the survivability disadvantages of being pregnant for 3/4 of a year alone if they select wrong, which could easily lead to death in nature. They are wary of men for essentially the same reason - the potential of forced impregnation. For men the ideal evolutionary strategy for their genes to spread is to impregnate as many women as possible, but for women it is to hyper carefully select a successful partner who will not want to leave them for years. Those pressures balance each other. That's why women are more selective than men; men are naturally the pursuers who have to prove themselves in some way to get women but would bang hundreds of women if they easily could, women accidentally filter the gene pool for biologically fit men by trying to not get screwed over and left alone while pregnant and vulnerable with a significantly reduced chance of carrying an offspring that survives into adulthood ideally along with her, even if it's 50% as opposed to 80%. They are more strict. In modern society that means they have more options and can more easily choose attractive partners than men can, but that doesn't mean they place more importance on looks than men do, at least when it comes to actually choosing a husband. In fact, men as they are now, given the same options and the same opposite-sex attention as women get from men, would be significantly more looks-selective than women are in choosing a spouse, in my opinion, by orders of magnitude. Even I would probably be no exception, and I don't care about looks that much - for a guy. Men often fall in love at first sight based largely on appearance, which is significantly rarer for women (I can find the study if anybody wants it). I'm not talking about girls having celebrity crushes or casual segs, but actually choosing a partner they love. In reality, despite the much easier opportunity, based in biology, for women in modern times to get a partner they are very visually attracted to compared to men, it is extremely common for fairly attractive women who are not famous celebrities to marry ugly or average guys. In fact, it's the norm in my country. Men tend to select a partner largely based on appearance if they have several choices. Appearance is commonly the deciding factor of whether a guy will fall in love with you in the first place, often determined at first sight (again, there are studies on this). That's why women first and foremost focus on their appearance - even if not consciously, it's part of the best longstanding evolutionary strategy to make any potential guy they may like more likely to like them back. This strategy is primarily socially and culturally taught/enforced, not instinctive, but it works because of the nature of both sexes, or more precisely the social dynamics between them which are influenced by our entire evolutionary history. Women select long term partners based on a lot of factors: their success, which is basically resource or status acquisition (including stuff like being respected in the community), being good with children (will be a good father), being strong and healthy (to be fair, appearance can be an imperfect proxy for health, so is smelling good and generally having good hygiene; height can be a proxy for strength; but you can be strong and healthy while ugly and short, and these are by no means the most important factors - success and charisma are much more determinative than strength and health), being proficient in some skill (particularly if it's "romantic" like singing or poetry, if women still even like poetry nowadays, or sports, which can be a proxy for strength, status and health; less so being a master at a practical skill which is a proxy for resource acquisition potential), being well-kept, neet and tidy (don't know what that's a proxy for, but being well organized probably improves your likelyhood of success, but it's also just aesthetics), charisma and confidence (purely anecdotally charisma is a surprisingly strong proxy for social and even financial success, maybe because it correlates with high verbal or "emotional" intelligence or being good at manipulating, convincing and influencing others, which I guess means it can directly influence a partner without being a proxy for anything). For men and women to select their partners in the same way, men and women as we know them could not exist. We would not have human women even close to what they are without those differences in partner seeking behavior. Which is why that general behavior (not its specific idiosyncratic manifestation in any particular country) is good and necessary. Not that you can't critique specific behavior or trends or discuss the topic of mass male loneliness as a consequence of the decrease in arranged marriages, the sexual revolution and the rise the Internet (primarily the latter, in my opinion). But, though to a significantly lesser extent, all that has led to a noticeable increase in female loners too.
TL;DR: Just because women can with less effort pull more attractive guys (because most guys would segs 80% of all women roughly their age), and sometimes make use of that, doesn't mean they value looks more than men who simply can't do the same with women because women aren't that horny/desperate to breed men for good evolutionary reasons. Important to note that very attractive men, especially on dating apps, will usually be down just to have segs and will almost never marry average women, meaning nearly all women on Tinder if they really want to can pull attractive and successful men on a one night stand or a date, but not to be their long term partner to have children with, for which they'll often have to "settle" for a much less attractive guy who they like for other reasons which are more important to them and the success of their future family than looks, and whose appearance they might become very attracted to anyway if they fall in love (which is a common phenomenon for both men and women). Attractive men with options will overwhelmingly choose women they are most visually attracted to, even if they love them for other reasons as well, it is simply the biggest factor statistically. Of course, not always. This is the core problem with incel philosophy, and why dating app stats don't mean that much. They promote choosing people based on looks and exacerbate the options difference between men and women, but don't at all reflect actual long term partner choosing strategies for average women, who don't care about looks as much as men do, they simply have more options, and they still often go for average guys (and their determining factor in choosing a long term partner, outside of appearance-based casual segs or failed idealistic tinder attempts to boyfriend a Henry Cavill type because "this guy is just too fucking hot", is rarely a guy's looks). Men care much more about looks but have less options for either casual segs or finding a wife. Plenty of women and men don't use dating apps either, which a lot of this discussion originally stems from. P.S. "those times have been women" is not in contradiction to what Uruka said, as she never implied the people to call an average girl ugly are just men. They are frequently women, as societal expectations and importance of women being beautiful are passed down primarily by women to other women, even if they don't realize it. The female appearance-based partner seeking strategies get passed down culturally, and women are the experts on them, so they are the ones to pass them down. In different ways. Men live in a world with those strategies and expectations, as there could be no other world, so they also perceive beauty standards accordingly, and I absolutely have seen both men and women call average - not attractive, average women extremely ugly (in fact, I can think of several examples, and most people here will no doubt say that they actually are ugly). That's because the average woman is in fact not very attractive to most men and women used to seeing attractive women constantly. Including myself. A 5-6/10 is average, and it is pretty ugly to a lot of people. The 5/10 man is ugly to just as many as well, absolutely, but nobody pays attention or really insults a 5-6/10 man as much as 5-6/10 women, at least outside of twitter. Actually ugly men below 5/10? Yes. But average to attractive guys? It's a very recent thing, like Dream getting "roasted", and it's pretty much a twitter and teenage youtube viewer only phenomenon, and part of this weird roasting culture where people intentionally roast anything even slightly off in a "look at the top of his head" hyper antagonistic style. It's silly, because nobody actually cares. I certainly don't. I almost feel bad when a woman is 5-6/10 because looks are a hugely important part of a woman's identity and a very sensitive topic, but when a guy is 5-6/10? That's literally me, and it hasn't bothered me that much at any point. If I was a woman with my level of attractiveness, I would be feeling differently, and not because people would insult me or whatever. Not saying women have it harder than men overall, their looks specifically are just a bigger focus of their life.
I know this is a hot take but I like women that are not fat + are well-groomed + have long hair with it's natural color + have a nice personality + aren't terminally online + don't have bad habits + aren't self victimizing themselves in every situation they find themselves in If that sounds too much, think about all the women expecting men to be taller than the average (which is something men *can't* change)
Sure, have your laundry list, but then don't complain when you can't get a girl. Especially when *having* those specific criteria is typically a big red flag to not actually checking those same boxes on the list themselves, especially the "nice personality" and "not terminally online" part. And you bring up height as if men don't constantly judge women based on physical standards that women also can't change, or would need literal plastic surgery to change.
Don’t listen to the guy before me, you have standards, and personally I don’t think you should change them for getting more chicks. Keep them if you want the right person for you.
@@Serom_974 also the fact that not one thing on that list of his is uncontrollable. He isn't placing a standard that is unreasonable. The sad fact of the matter is, based on the stats both men and women do not take care of themselves very well. So the pool of people for both isn't great.
@@Serom_974 yep. Having preferences is definitely ok and I don't really care if I'm not getting a girl because of it. I ain't even gonna respond to the person before me because I don't think they're worthy of debating, especially when they brought up that "red flag" stuff.
All of these things are healthy and normal expectations or preferences. Assuming that by "bad habits" you mean things that actually matter like smoking or drugs, and not things like, leaving cups around the house.
"if a guy is ugly no one cares, if a girl is ugly everyone kinda shits on them" it's literally the opposite except if a ugly guy tries to make a move he'll immediately: get shot down, be called a creep, get labeled as a ropeist, have to register as a x offender not to mention whatever you call "ugly" for girls might be a solid 5 or 6 for guys
It's all about how you do it. I know a guy who is "uglier" than me approach girls at bars and take them home the same night. Guy has a steel set on him and confidence to match. Now, I'm not into that as bars, one-night stands, or hookups aren't my thing. Say your piece and if she says "no", shrug it off, wish her a good evening and thank her for her time (even if it was for just a few seconds), and walk away. Don't linger, don't stare. Just go about your night. If you got friends with you, even better because you can spend the rest of the evening with them hanging out and having a good time. If there's only one thing that PUAs have right (as broken clocks can be right twice a day), it's having an abundance mindset and willing to let go if neither of you are feeling the vibe. Practice with friends to help train yourself to be less awkward or anxious. Go to places and just talk to people regardless of what your preferences are. The more you interact with strangers without the pressure of dating the more you'll be comfortable with talking with someone that you are interested in. Yes, there is an art to conversation and there are many videos from many people from different walks of life that can give insights as to how you can approach it; but you can't learn the art and master it if you don't start in the first place. I'm rambling, but this is a bit of a white-pill to guys (or girls) who are disenfranchised with the current dating scene.
@@PhillyCh3zSt3ak yeah but what sort of women is he taking home, you didn't elaborate on if he's pulling above this level or just knows how to pick the desperate women.
Does she know what a “soyboy” is lmao? The image used for it, was _not_ a soyboy. Korean prettyboy, sure, but _soyboys_ are literally the guys Soyjacks are based on.
@@rsonic510 nah that guy in the Tenma example wasn't even THAT big, however he was damn mobile that's the one she went wild over when he did a breakdance during his posing routine.
I don't think she knows when someone says soy boy on this side of the internet we're going to think of that image of Sean Murray is holding that disc before we think John Cook.
Strength makes you fell better in general and adds to your lifespan, there's a strong correlation between loss of strength and how long and enjoyable your later years will be. At the very least maintain what you have and you'll be in better health in general and thanking yourself when you're still mobile and independent past your 70s.
I never liked this kind of statement, and I'm still trying to figure out if men are this oblique in stating their interests themselves. Like, come on, if that was what you were into, _you'd have a harem._ Even in terms of inoffensive to stellar personality, it's unlikely you wouldn't be married by now. I _think_ guys tend to have _overtly_ bad standards, as in you'd be able to tell them right away that their standards are shallow or otherwise misguided.
Its literally a spectrum. These generalisations are always bound to be wrong to someone. Things that affect it is generally nurture (who you grew up with and grown to look up to), nature (whoever meshes with your personality and habits and traits), culture(weebs are gonna be into asians) and politics (not exactly gonna date a bigot are ya) and even the trends within a certain time frame (use to be thin girls were in, now the zeitgeist is all about dem thicc ones). Its all relative. I just look down and see if boner happens.
"Not exactly gonna date a bigot are ya" Women do this literally all the time. As the saying goes: "Never ask a woman her age, a man his salary, and a racist the color of his girlfriend." Not to mention all of the supposedly feminist/leftist women who secretly lusted after Trump supporters in various online forums they thought nobody would find. Or they just didn't care since they figured no one would ever trace it back to them IRL. This isn't even mentioning the fact that bigots date other bigots too. And they often bond over their mutual bigotry (as you do). So basically, bigots are the ones having all the fun and sex while "diversity" lovers cry alone in the corner. Again.
Everthing is not relative, that points that you highlighted, was part of a big pattern and some variables that can make a objetive statement. Uruka is just simple the average person that only see the things in a generally and superficial way (i mean those type of people don't think to deep about the topics), so it's statement are one sided and simply general.
@@hectordiazrodriguez7294idk, i think it's pretty accurate. The fact that pedos and people attracted to inanimate objects exist necessitates a wide spectrum of physical attraction. In any spectrum there's going to be a standard deviation with a majority grouped together in some way around the mean, but that doesn't mean it isn't relative when considering an individual data point.
@@hectordiazrodriguez7294 true, but the existence of a minority implies a spectrum. I argue that it is relative and the big pattern you mentioned can only be reasonably applied to things like symetry and proportionality for determining attractiveness
What doesn't help in this conversation is the fact that the ideal male physique differs quite a lot between men and women. For example, men will see mucles as more important to attractiveness than women does. The most extreme example being in Japan where gays prefer beefy and hairy bears while women prefer skinny and/or hairless dudes. It also goes the same for the ideal woman body with different preferences for the breasts-waist-hips ratio, hair length, ...
And Koreans figured it out to have the best of both is to push their male Idols into lean muscle build. So the boys won't be called sissies anymore. But at the same time had the slim figure fit for modeling.
@@hectordiazrodriguez7294 Lot's of research and fangirl insiders. And even then there's still other men who call them sissies. They can't bulk up too much. If you ask how stringent the requirement is, a 180cm tall male Idol at 65kg is considered overweight.
@@victoriazero8869 yeah but is because they look sissies literall a kpop idol is one of the most androgenous people in the world. I don"t said they are bad or something, i simply say that they are not masculine and literally are the steriotype of how a man looks like for a twitter stan girl.
This. I honestly think it should be banned because it's non eugenic. It decreases people's genetic fitness when you can't know how she truly looks like. Plus i think most women would be seen as ugly-mid without it so there wouldn't be a simp pandemic.
The guys she likes are the exact types to wear foundation toners and concealer. Those Asian pretty boys are metrosexual(an old phrase but I don’t know the new term for these type of men) They’re not the soyboys that we’ve come to know. These people eat tofu and fried spam as breakfast, Exercise only their core and Wear designer jewelry.
Shes Fujikura Uruka, a blue bear who does many music streams, chatting streams, and a bit of gaming content Do check out her streams if youre curious, shes fun but can be cursed (also fun)
This is not a fair comparison. One person making a donation doesn't speak for all men. And as you know, only men are allowed to generalize, so I think we can all agree that Uruka overstepped her bounds.
Just so you know 7/10 is average on the attractive scale, so you are just above average, and considering most people find themselves less attractive it makes sense you are an 8/10
"Girls like average looking guys." This is statisaclly incorrect. There are far more single young men than single young women and that number continues increasing. She says she likes soyboys, but I guarantee you that they are still very attractive. (Litererlly look at the male model that was used by the editor lmao) Furthermore on average women don't care nearly as much about look as they do your ability to provide. This is why women don't date men who make less money than them. Her opinion of saying that there are more ugly men than women is incorrect. Women are way are biologically only interested in the top percent of men, but if you compared just physical looks between men and women you'd find that there are just as many ugly men as there are women. In fact since the Global population is currently 51% women there is in fact a greater chance that there are more ugly women. A single percent of the global population is 80 million people. So there are about 160 million more woman than men alive currently. We as humans want to play a game and say that things are equal, but they're not. Some people have much better live than others. It is harder to be man than a woman. As a man no one cares about you, and you get none of what you want unless you're the top dog. If you're not the top dog, not only does no one care about you, not only do you get none of what you want, but nobody respects you and that's inherently apparent in how the world interacts with you.
Also you cant complain about it, only possible answer is "just try VERY hard and become top dog! Thats it!" yea tnx just win a race with a very large number of people when you also have hobbies that don't directly contribute to it. It's too bad that I can assess my chances realistically
In this video, guys who don't talk to women try to explain to a woman what the woman's preferences are I think it's fair to say that women tend to be more generally attractive more because other women give more of a shit. This could just be my experiences, but the vast majority of guy friends I've seen don't give much of a shit about anything above basic hygiene and every woman I've talked about this say they dress up more for other women (even when straight) than men. Obviously there are exceptions to this on both sides, but like Uwuga said, it's about the average.
The biggest issue is that most dating nowadays happens via dating apps and studies have clearly shown that women are almost entirely disinterested in *actual* average guys on them. Women rated 80% of guys average or below and the swiping data shows that most guys will swipe endlessly without matches and if they do get one, the woman is about as interactive as the next wall. If the "average" guy has to now be in the top 20% of looks, then most guys will simply find no matches. You'll probably think that they just "need to get their profile in order", but all women who said the same thing and then tried dating as a male on those apps failed miserably and were shocked at how apathetic the average guy is treated. Sure, you could try dating in person, but things like "Me Too" and certain laws that can make it a crime to even approach a woman in the wrong way have made that feel akin to Russian roulette for guys, so it's been in steep decline.
You don't need to also be a woman to question whether a woman is burying the lede. Same goes for men, but I think men tend to have more overtly bad/shallow standards instead of standards that make you question why they aren't already married.
They actually did a study and found the exact same results as Uruk’s feels: both men and women (and regardless of orientation) think think women are generally better-looking than men of the same relative attractiveness (e.g. a 6/10 girl is nicer looking than a 6/10 guy). I personally ascribe this to women having better grooming standards and fashion options.
Another thing to take into consideration is region. Each region will consider different body types "average." For example, at least in the US, if you're below TN or so, the average person will be skinnier than those more towards the northern states due to having to hunker down for the winter months as opposed to be more out an about. This also changes with the regional diet. Ex. in Asian countries the diet is more towards less fatty foods in general (fish, tofu, etc.) as opposed to beef or other caloric dense foods that are eaten in excess. This shouldn't mean you shouldn't have standards for yourself, just make sure they're realistic standards. If you're living in Alaska and expect a skinny as a rail, bombshell blonde, you should probably lower your expectations. That doesn't mean not try, but if you click with someone who's outside of your standards but not way outside where it will clash, then go for it. Don't shut yourself out of something just because they don't 1:1 match. Statistically, there is someone out there for everyone. It's just more how to find them. You know, fingers crossed, knock on wood.
Ive been told by many women that they were attracted to me due to my personality and not my looks, but then again my current girlfriend of 4 years thinks Im the hottest man alive and wasnt the first woman to say so. Women are weird, but so are men so touchè.
@@NEETKitten She is probably (and hopefully) not cheating on him, and there is no reason to ill-wish him like that. Girlfriend of four years? Dude's almost made it to the "almost made it" line, and I trust we know that it's difficult to even get that far.
the most men would not care too much on looks, and most women would really care so much on looks. that creates the relative perspective skewed towards men having lower average score than women. this is ignoring the opinion of men and women themselves.
It's the reverse. Men are more concerned with looks than women are on average, and it's not even close. There's a reason that trashy romance fiction is extremely popular with women and does comparatively little for men, men are far more concerned with the visual aspects. However when women are asked about men's appearances, they rate the vast majority of men poorly, the saving grace is that women are willing to accept "below average" appearance if it comes with compensators like social status or wealth to a much greater degree than are men with women. A woman's social status or wealth means very little to a man unless he's a con artist, but her appearance is very important. The compensator in the case of men is that a large proportion of men die alone and childless, so they can't really be picky unless they are among the male elite.
Sounds to me like different people live very different lives, resulting in vastly different generalizations. Like the nice guys and nice girls generalizing the other sex as bad/toxic, further solidifying/justifying their position based on a few like-minded people allowing them to form an echo chamber. Imo, people are too varied to reliably predict based on generalizations. Like, if you say some group generally behaves in some way, you'll likely include the possibility of exceptions, but at what point are you gonna say that there are too many exceptions for your generalization to apply? And how will you determine if a counter example to your generalization is an exception or solid proof against it, and how do you go about fairly comparing that to the proof and examples supporting your generalizations? With the generalizations I've heard from people in my life, I've concluded that perhaps it's better to just admit that I know very little about others outside those I've personally gotten to know. Better not to assume and act like an expert, cuz I'm not.
While certain generalizations made about certain groups may be true, yeah it’s definitely better to focus on and get to know more about the people that’re actually around you
Her conception of average might not actually be accurate. For example there was that ok Cupid study which showed that women consider 80% of guys to be below average. A much better measure of standards would be percentage. What percentage of men are women attracted to? I don't think it's a high number. Men would be attracted to a much larger portion of the female population, as long as you exclude really old women over the age of 40. So if you compare the percentage of men below 40 that women find attractive to the percentage of women below 40 that men find attractive, the latter would be a higher number. Maybe things even out when we get older but personally I think women still have an advantage due to dating apps. Either way, women have a massive advantage when they are young.
The attractiveness bell curve for men is narrow and for women it's wide. Ugly women are more common and uglier than ugly men, but attractive women are more common and hawtter than attractive men
idk, maybe i dont have perspective because i'm straight, but just going out and around town, unless you're near a college campus or downtown of a city, i genuinely see maybe 1% of the 18~40 year old female population as attractive, whereas i see lots of guys that i think women (or gay men) would find attractive.
Meh, as a guy, it makes no difference what you look like, what really matters at the end of the day is how much money you make. Make enough money and all the women come knocking... lol
0:55 Yeah, because most likely he is already minecrafted himself. Purely statistically, Uruka is so fucking far from how it actually is in reality. Something-something, vtuber privilige.
I think in more cases than not, man are just more attracted in general. There are probably more man being attracted by a lot of women than women being attracted by a lot of man. I don't think that has anything to do with standards or expectations perse but more with most culture's having women be better connected then men. So men oftentimes search more for connections. Speaking as a man from a man's perspective, men need to search more for validation since they get less on average normally
In your opinion doesn't mean it's true, I've always being considered ugly and bullied by girls at school for that: it doesn't means I'm REALLY THAT UGLY, I saw much worst SHIT ladies in this world!!
I guess men and women understand each other more than either one thinks. They just dont like it.
The examples of soyboys are way more attractive than actual soyboys. Women moment fr fr.
Yeah like those guys are feminine more the soyboys
Yeah that guy looked hipstery but might not even be a soyboi, it's really more of an attitude than a look. Also Tenma likes muscles because she's based and I've never met a based woman who complained about men getting more fit and muscular.
When they mention the unnatractive people is likeable as a defense argument they always use super hot guy from those unnatractive groups as an example lol
@@zerrodefex Outside of a few chicks with a fetish, it is very rare to run into women who are into ultra ripped body builder types. Chicks in general like fit dudes, but not roided out hulk wannabes. It's the same with men. Although most men like fit women, it is pretty rare that you will find men who are into body builder chicks. Again it's a bit of a fetish thing, an exception to the rule.
Those aren’t the soyboys we know of. Those are kpop boys. They wear makeup and designer jewelry but also hit the gym and eat protein, both animal and tofu.
Its too late uruka weve seen the studies.
Exactly. She is just lying like most women do (women's words don't match women's actions).
I think she fails to notice that other women make fun of other women's looks. Women do it FAR more than men do.
Well she does call it a woman moment
As someone that doesn't get out much, I wouldn't put it past her.
I don't even think it's an ironic thing-- women are going to be around women more than they're going to be around men, so it's only natural that both good and bad social experiences will be more same-sex than intersex.
Frats seemed to be the kind of guys who did it before but now I think it's much more women
So women want average guys and no woman has ever given me the time of day despite my best efforts. I didn't think my self esteem could get any lower, but there it is descending to the planet core.
If no women ever given you "the time of day" then it's probably not your looks that is causing the issue. But don't get your hopes up, it might be reinforcing it.
Friend, unfortunally the low self-esteem could be a factor. Start doing something you would be proud of regardless of people's reaction to it so the rejection won't feel like punishment. It would also allow people to interact with you without managing your sensitivity, i.e relaxed.
And Pippa is into lesbian looking guys.
Yeah, everyone is different.
Yeah but pippa vomits into drawers and has literally rotted teeth... I think shes already fucked in the head. Shes gotta be discarded from the scatterplot we're building here.
Damn you went for her throat with that one 😂
I thought Pippa was into Colress-looking guys.
@@Jw87563 basically the same thing.
Lol
Women will literally say they're not attracted to a specific type of guy and then end up dating that specific guy. Seen it happen so many times and after a while I just gave up trying to understand them lmao
Remember what Timmny Turner's dad said: "When women say something it actually means the oppposite of what they really feel."
"Don't try to understand women. Women understand women and they all hate each other." - Al Bundy
You can understand them or love them, never both
At some point you just shrug and ride the lightning.
look at who they sleep with, not the words that come out of their mouths.
They use words to get what they want, not express the truth.
The “I don't like fit guys” is the female version of the male “you look better without makeup” test. Male lived experience contradict this, and every guy that hits the gym for some time can attest to this, same as women know they are perceived to be more beautiful with makeup.
And just like how makeup just needs to be done well, you just need to work out so you don't look like you skipped leg day
Ding ding, correct. It the extreme people often have in their mind when they say it, like makeup applied with an airless paint sprayer and not understated touch-ups which clueless blokes think is 'natural'.
You don't even need big muscles either in most cases, just need to get your bodyfat down to a healthy level and have some visible muscle definition in at least your arms. That alone puts you ahead of the noodle-armed soybois.
Meh. Depends. Yes women temporarily look better with make up, but if I had a girl I'd prefer her not to wear any. It's bad for her skin which will degrade in quality as time passes. Besides if I am to oftenly see her without make up what's the point in her wearing it?
Inna nutshell this is "you look slightly good but remember there are better men outside"
Ehhh. It's not really that men are on average more unattractive. It's that women are far more "picky". Women rate something like 80% of men as "below average". So statistically if a woman says "I'm fine with average men" what she actually means is "I like the top 20th percentile or better" but doesn't know that her standards are far higher than "average" since most other women are chasing the same standards. That said, women are less concerned with physical appearance than men are, and are more likely to care about your bank account or your social status, things that are somewhere between tertiary and irrelevant for most men looking for legitimate relationships.
Exactly
Yeah if most women were looking for average men then why are the majority of young men single these days?
The only problem i find here is that they doesnt fulfill their own standars
@@carlogustavovalenzuelazepe5774 the men or women?
Just dropping to say that your opinion is incredibly sexist
what a rude bear, calling her own audience ugly and telling them they will be forever alone
Thats not what she said, we said we surely all have a chance (r-right? 😭😭😭)
Well jokes on her, I got married last month.
You signed the contract of being ugly and alone the moment you started liking vtubers
@@zerrodefex Ayo Congratulations!!
"I like skinny nerdy guys"
TL: I like male KPop idols.
Also, I've lately seen women calling Henry Cavill a "mid", so there goes your "average".
Women are always delusional.
Only a feminist or a contrarian women of twitter could call henry cavill mid
@@hectordiazrodriguez7294my mom considers him the most handsome man she's ever seen, so he's probably far above average
To be fair I've heard the same thing about Margot Robbie, and while she isn't my type, it would be kind of insane to suggest she is "mid"
It's probably just contrarianism that becomes a meme.
But there is considerable evidence that women consider something like 80% of men to be "below average" when asked. So the point is right, it's just not so extreme as to put Henry in the "mid" camp.
@@Paul-bs5wl I've considered Beyoncé not particularly attractive, but my rationale was more about how her image was/is rather artificial. She's certainly not _ugly._
That aside, my personal experience has me having a divide between what's aesthetically pleasing and what's sexually attractive-- it's almost two entirely different tracks, even if I'd typically use the same words to describe someone fitting into either category.
Remember brothers, an ugly personality turns a 10 into a 4, regardless of gender
those people learn to hide it though, u cant hide ugliness
@@yesyes-om1po sure you fucking can. You have no idea how much being lovely and interesting makes you hotter. Combine it with good hygiene, a nice outfit, make-up if you must, and you're golden. Have you looked at long-term couples in 30s, how much of them are 'attractive-attractive'? I won't deny that simply good looks have an advantage with hook-ups, but no need to get fatalistic about it.
Which is why I'm practicing it 24/7.
is she tryna gaslight us?
Yes. But not intentionally.
@@Paul-bs5wl think she's just ignorant? I too wanna believe the bear is seiso
@@idratherhidethat6033seiso means virgin in normal talk so I doubt😂 She clearly has at least some dating experience if she is willing to talk about these things.
Idk, if what online dating apps show is any indication, most women chase the top 10% and ignore the bottom 70% while with men its evenly distributed
Those stats are heavily skewed.
Most of the dating population does not do it online in the first place.
Users on dating apps are overwhelmingly men. There are few women to men on them in the first place. The distribution is not nearly as skewed once you adjust for the male to female user ratio.
Dating profiles are based on the most superficial information, giving the advantage traits that most men are average in.
If you look into the history of them, this is by design. The structure is intended to serve a small pool of privileged men through what basically amounts to a revolving door harem, while most men are there to be the suckers that the privileged get to see themselves as superior to.
While womens' rating of men is certainly skewed, dating apps provide much more complicated if not outright flawed data than people usually construe it as.
Some women do not have a very good understanding of what 'average' looks like
If only on the internet, I've seen women describe "dad bod" as out-of-practice Jason Momoa. Meanwhile, I'm thinking Hank Hill, and Hank used to be an athlete. I know he's a fictional character, but his body type is still accurate for a middle aged man that isn't that active.
It is _baffling_ to read. What dads are those types looking at? Or, rather, they should just be saying "ex-athlete".
*many
They do, it's just that only 20% of men are seen as people
I'm 60 and alone, never married, no kids. Some of us there is just nobody for us. I've determined to do my best to be as happy as I can be regardless. People recognize the term "spinster aunt." I am a spinster uncle. (yes Gretchen is a guy, it's a video game name I use a lot.)
I was about to ask "Wasn't Hänsel the guy?" but turns out I had no reading comprehension for a bit.
Despite your situation (saying it this way implies it's negative tho), your mindset seems healthy. Life goes on. But if you do feel unhappy about it, it can be worth it to pursue more. Or maybe you already are?
Either way, I wish you the best, even if I'm just a lil internet stranger!
Go to the Phillipines, you'll find a cute wife almost instantly. Guaranteed.
Press x to doubt
Why are you addicted to online anime vtubers who are designed to cheat money the same way foreign women in thailand and Philippines do but they come with actual relationships and sex? If you are 60 I thought you would be smarter about your life.
"if there is a completely average looking girl, people will call her ugly" that is definetly bullshit, i have only heard this a few times and those times have been women talking about other women
If anything woman can date men like 3-4 points on the 1-10 hotness scale higher than them. Men's standards are quite a bit lower than women's standards for other women, I got a buddy who only dates like 1's and 2's and he's not even that busted. Some of those Tinder chicks he gets have been actually unsettling to look at when I've met them and their personalities are even worse, I'm talking they're raising more red flags than the Soviet army in Berlin 1945. Women are playing on easy mode when it comes to looks, and they even get makeup to completely fix whatever's fucked up with their face with no societal repercussions whatsoever.
I once worked at a company where accounting was 100% female. Unofficially it was called "Snake pit". You know why...
See, my experience is the exact opposite. Guys are more willing to call a girl ugly just because they dislike her. I've never really heard girls comment on each other's looks, except to compliment them....
I think it's a matter of environment and who you associate with, tbh.
Nobody gives a shite if a guy is average looking (other than weird Internet people, which is a very recent trend), for women appearance is much more important to their identity, universally, in all cultures on Earth. An average looking guy in a normal society will not give nearly as much of a shit about his appearance compared to an average looking woman. Your average average-looking woman will make a huge effort of improving her looks. That's because a normal society doesn't care that much about the attractiveness of men, but does about the attractiveness of women. Yes, really attractive men can attract a lot of attention, but that doesn't change the point above. The reason men have a harder time dating than women is not because women care about men's looks that much, it's because they have a lot more choices, they are more cautious and they are less desperate for segs. Women are evolutionarily programmed to select their partner very carefully if they can because of the survivability disadvantages of being pregnant for 3/4 of a year alone if they select wrong, which could easily lead to death in nature. They are wary of men for essentially the same reason - the potential of forced impregnation. For men the ideal evolutionary strategy for their genes to spread is to impregnate as many women as possible, but for women it is to hyper carefully select a successful partner who will not want to leave them for years. Those pressures balance each other. That's why women are more selective than men; men are naturally the pursuers who have to prove themselves in some way to get women but would bang hundreds of women if they easily could, women accidentally filter the gene pool for biologically fit men by trying to not get screwed over and left alone while pregnant and vulnerable with a significantly reduced chance of carrying an offspring that survives into adulthood ideally along with her, even if it's 50% as opposed to 80%. They are more strict. In modern society that means they have more options and can more easily choose attractive partners than men can, but that doesn't mean they place more importance on looks than men do, at least when it comes to actually choosing a husband. In fact, men as they are now, given the same options and the same opposite-sex attention as women get from men, would be significantly more looks-selective than women are in choosing a spouse, in my opinion, by orders of magnitude. Even I would probably be no exception, and I don't care about looks that much - for a guy. Men often fall in love at first sight based largely on appearance, which is significantly rarer for women (I can find the study if anybody wants it). I'm not talking about girls having celebrity crushes or casual segs, but actually choosing a partner they love. In reality, despite the much easier opportunity, based in biology, for women in modern times to get a partner they are very visually attracted to compared to men, it is extremely common for fairly attractive women who are not famous celebrities to marry ugly or average guys. In fact, it's the norm in my country. Men tend to select a partner largely based on appearance if they have several choices. Appearance is commonly the deciding factor of whether a guy will fall in love with you in the first place, often determined at first sight (again, there are studies on this). That's why women first and foremost focus on their appearance - even if not consciously, it's part of the best longstanding evolutionary strategy to make any potential guy they may like more likely to like them back. This strategy is primarily socially and culturally taught/enforced, not instinctive, but it works because of the nature of both sexes, or more precisely the social dynamics between them which are influenced by our entire evolutionary history. Women select long term partners based on a lot of factors: their success, which is basically resource or status acquisition (including stuff like being respected in the community), being good with children (will be a good father), being strong and healthy (to be fair, appearance can be an imperfect proxy for health, so is smelling good and generally having good hygiene; height can be a proxy for strength; but you can be strong and healthy while ugly and short, and these are by no means the most important factors - success and charisma are much more determinative than strength and health), being proficient in some skill (particularly if it's "romantic" like singing or poetry, if women still even like poetry nowadays, or sports, which can be a proxy for strength, status and health; less so being a master at a practical skill which is a proxy for resource acquisition potential), being well-kept, neet and tidy (don't know what that's a proxy for, but being well organized probably improves your likelyhood of success, but it's also just aesthetics), charisma and confidence (purely anecdotally charisma is a surprisingly strong proxy for social and even financial success, maybe because it correlates with high verbal or "emotional" intelligence or being good at manipulating, convincing and influencing others, which I guess means it can directly influence a partner without being a proxy for anything). For men and women to select their partners in the same way, men and women as we know them could not exist. We would not have human women even close to what they are without those differences in partner seeking behavior. Which is why that general behavior (not its specific idiosyncratic manifestation in any particular country) is good and necessary. Not that you can't critique specific behavior or trends or discuss the topic of mass male loneliness as a consequence of the decrease in arranged marriages, the sexual revolution and the rise the Internet (primarily the latter, in my opinion). But, though to a significantly lesser extent, all that has led to a noticeable increase in female loners too.
TL;DR: Just because women can with less effort pull more attractive guys (because most guys would segs 80% of all women roughly their age), and sometimes make use of that, doesn't mean they value looks more than men who simply can't do the same with women because women aren't that horny/desperate to breed men for good evolutionary reasons.
Important to note that very attractive men, especially on dating apps, will usually be down just to have segs and will almost never marry average women, meaning nearly all women on Tinder if they really want to can pull attractive and successful men on a one night stand or a date, but not to be their long term partner to have children with, for which they'll often have to "settle" for a much less attractive guy who they like for other reasons which are more important to them and the success of their future family than looks, and whose appearance they might become very attracted to anyway if they fall in love (which is a common phenomenon for both men and women). Attractive men with options will overwhelmingly choose women they are most visually attracted to, even if they love them for other reasons as well, it is simply the biggest factor statistically. Of course, not always. This is the core problem with incel philosophy, and why dating app stats don't mean that much. They promote choosing people based on looks and exacerbate the options difference between men and women, but don't at all reflect actual long term partner choosing strategies for average women, who don't care about looks as much as men do, they simply have more options, and they still often go for average guys (and their determining factor in choosing a long term partner, outside of appearance-based casual segs or failed idealistic tinder attempts to boyfriend a Henry Cavill type because "this guy is just too fucking hot", is rarely a guy's looks). Men care much more about looks but have less options for either casual segs or finding a wife.
Plenty of women and men don't use dating apps either, which a lot of this discussion originally stems from.
P.S. "those times have been women" is not in contradiction to what Uruka said, as she never implied the people to call an average girl ugly are just men. They are frequently women, as societal expectations and importance of women being beautiful are passed down primarily by women to other women, even if they don't realize it. The female appearance-based partner seeking strategies get passed down culturally, and women are the experts on them, so they are the ones to pass them down. In different ways. Men live in a world with those strategies and expectations, as there could be no other world, so they also perceive beauty standards accordingly, and I absolutely have seen both men and women call average - not attractive, average women extremely ugly (in fact, I can think of several examples, and most people here will no doubt say that they actually are ugly). That's because the average woman is in fact not very attractive to most men and women used to seeing attractive women constantly. Including myself. A 5-6/10 is average, and it is pretty ugly to a lot of people. The 5/10 man is ugly to just as many as well, absolutely, but nobody pays attention or really insults a 5-6/10 man as much as 5-6/10 women, at least outside of twitter. Actually ugly men below 5/10? Yes. But average to attractive guys? It's a very recent thing, like Dream getting "roasted", and it's pretty much a twitter and teenage youtube viewer only phenomenon, and part of this weird roasting culture where people intentionally roast anything even slightly off in a "look at the top of his head" hyper antagonistic style. It's silly, because nobody actually cares. I certainly don't. I almost feel bad when a woman is 5-6/10 because looks are a hugely important part of a woman's identity and a very sensitive topic, but when a guy is 5-6/10? That's literally me, and it hasn't bothered me that much at any point. If I was a woman with my level of attractiveness, I would be feeling differently, and not because people would insult me or whatever. Not saying women have it harder than men overall, their looks specifically are just a bigger focus of their life.
I know this is a hot take but I like women that are not fat + are well-groomed + have long hair with it's natural color + have a nice personality + aren't terminally online + don't have bad habits + aren't self victimizing themselves in every situation they find themselves in
If that sounds too much, think about all the women expecting men to be taller than the average (which is something men *can't* change)
Sure, have your laundry list, but then don't complain when you can't get a girl. Especially when *having* those specific criteria is typically a big red flag to not actually checking those same boxes on the list themselves, especially the "nice personality" and "not terminally online" part.
And you bring up height as if men don't constantly judge women based on physical standards that women also can't change, or would need literal plastic surgery to change.
Don’t listen to the guy before me, you have standards, and personally I don’t think you should change them for getting more chicks. Keep them if you want the right person for you.
@@Serom_974 also the fact that not one thing on that list of his is uncontrollable. He isn't placing a standard that is unreasonable. The sad fact of the matter is, based on the stats both men and women do not take care of themselves very well. So the pool of people for both isn't great.
@@Serom_974 yep. Having preferences is definitely ok and I don't really care if I'm not getting a girl because of it. I ain't even gonna respond to the person before me because I don't think they're worthy of debating, especially when they brought up that "red flag" stuff.
All of these things are healthy and normal expectations or preferences. Assuming that by "bad habits" you mean things that actually matter like smoking or drugs, and not things like, leaving cups around the house.
"if a guy is ugly no one cares, if a girl is ugly everyone kinda shits on them"
it's literally the opposite except if a ugly guy tries to make a move he'll immediately: get shot down, be called a creep, get labeled as a ropeist, have to register as a x offender
not to mention whatever you call "ugly" for girls might be a solid 5 or 6 for guys
It's all about how you do it. I know a guy who is "uglier" than me approach girls at bars and take them home the same night. Guy has a steel set on him and confidence to match. Now, I'm not into that as bars, one-night stands, or hookups aren't my thing. Say your piece and if she says "no", shrug it off, wish her a good evening and thank her for her time (even if it was for just a few seconds), and walk away. Don't linger, don't stare. Just go about your night. If you got friends with you, even better because you can spend the rest of the evening with them hanging out and having a good time. If there's only one thing that PUAs have right (as broken clocks can be right twice a day), it's having an abundance mindset and willing to let go if neither of you are feeling the vibe.
Practice with friends to help train yourself to be less awkward or anxious. Go to places and just talk to people regardless of what your preferences are. The more you interact with strangers without the pressure of dating the more you'll be comfortable with talking with someone that you are interested in. Yes, there is an art to conversation and there are many videos from many people from different walks of life that can give insights as to how you can approach it; but you can't learn the art and master it if you don't start in the first place.
I'm rambling, but this is a bit of a white-pill to guys (or girls) who are disenfranchised with the current dating scene.
@@PhillyCh3zSt3akbro wut?
@@PhillyCh3zSt3akcap
I'd say the same thing happens to girls too. If you're ugly and you try to hit on someone, then you're a "creep" or "slut"
@@PhillyCh3zSt3ak yeah but what sort of women is he taking home, you didn't elaborate on if he's pulling above this level or just knows how to pick the desperate women.
Uruka: Women are into average guys
Also Uruka: The only man for me, is the one and only godzilla
Yea this is literally just both side stating the same thing and surprised that the other side had the same experience
Does she know what a “soyboy” is lmao?
The image used for it, was _not_ a soyboy. Korean prettyboy, sure, but _soyboys_ are literally the guys Soyjacks are based on.
dont do that. dont give me hope.
I know what I must do, but I don't know if I have the strength to give up my muscle gains to become a soy boy for Uruka. 🙇♂
smh Puyo you shouldnt just change yourself for a vtuber! although its Uruka so it might be worth it......
Just go for tenma or 30ma.
@@liricopetanco6257But then he has to go huge.
@@rsonic510 nah that guy in the Tenma example wasn't even THAT big, however he was damn mobile that's the one she went wild over when he did a breakdance during his posing routine.
@@rsonic510
Nah. She says she likes “big muscles,” but the guys she was most interested in in her stream had swimmer’s builds.
Urukas improv zatsus are always enlightening
Bear has many things to talk about, its always entertaining 🙏
I don't think she knows when someone says soy boy on this side of the internet we're going to think of that image of Sean Murray is holding that disc before we think John Cook.
I like Uruka's opinion. I will say this though, lifting weights is still a good idea. It's helps for carry bags, groceries among other things.
Strength makes you fell better in general and adds to your lifespan, there's a strong correlation between loss of strength and how long and enjoyable your later years will be. At the very least maintain what you have and you'll be in better health in general and thanking yourself when you're still mobile and independent past your 70s.
What women want and what they say they want is a venn diagram where the two circles don't touch
"I really like skinny nerdy guys" translation: Im into hot Kpop types. Yall discord mods still have no chance 😂
Dont get ideas.
I never liked this kind of statement, and I'm still trying to figure out if men are this oblique in stating their interests themselves.
Like, come on, if that was what you were into, _you'd have a harem._ Even in terms of inoffensive to stellar personality, it's unlikely you wouldn't be married by now.
I _think_ guys tend to have _overtly_ bad standards, as in you'd be able to tell them right away that their standards are shallow or otherwise misguided.
I feel like everything she’s saying about perceptions of men makes more sense on a Jezebel curve than a bell curve.
Its literally a spectrum. These generalisations are always bound to be wrong to someone.
Things that affect it is generally nurture (who you grew up with and grown to look up to), nature (whoever meshes with your personality and habits and traits), culture(weebs are gonna be into asians) and politics (not exactly gonna date a bigot are ya) and even the trends within a certain time frame (use to be thin girls were in, now the zeitgeist is all about dem thicc ones).
Its all relative. I just look down and see if boner happens.
"Not exactly gonna date a bigot are ya"
Women do this literally all the time. As the saying goes: "Never ask a woman her age, a man his salary, and a racist the color of his girlfriend."
Not to mention all of the supposedly feminist/leftist women who secretly lusted after Trump supporters in various online forums they thought nobody would find. Or they just didn't care since they figured no one would ever trace it back to them IRL.
This isn't even mentioning the fact that bigots date other bigots too. And they often bond over their mutual bigotry (as you do). So basically, bigots are the ones having all the fun and sex while "diversity" lovers cry alone in the corner. Again.
Everthing is not relative, that points that you highlighted, was part of a big pattern and some variables that can make a objetive statement.
Uruka is just simple the average person that only see the things in a generally and superficial way (i mean those type of people don't think to deep about the topics), so it's statement are one sided and simply general.
@@hectordiazrodriguez7294idk, i think it's pretty accurate. The fact that pedos and people attracted to inanimate objects exist necessitates a wide spectrum of physical attraction. In any spectrum there's going to be a standard deviation with a majority grouped together in some way around the mean, but that doesn't mean it isn't relative when considering an individual data point.
@@automobilership9888 yeah but that people are a minority , and exceptions doesn't make the rule.
@@hectordiazrodriguez7294 true, but the existence of a minority implies a spectrum. I argue that it is relative and the big pattern you mentioned can only be reasonably applied to things like symetry and proportionality for determining attractiveness
I'm smelling cope
What doesn't help in this conversation is the fact that the ideal male physique differs quite a lot between men and women. For example, men will see mucles as more important to attractiveness than women does. The most extreme example being in Japan where gays prefer beefy and hairy bears while women prefer skinny and/or hairless dudes.
It also goes the same for the ideal woman body with different preferences for the breasts-waist-hips ratio, hair length, ...
And Koreans figured it out to have the best of both is to push their male Idols into lean muscle build. So the boys won't be called sissies anymore. But at the same time had the slim figure fit for modeling.
@@victoriazero8869 There's the formula- tailor the menbod!
@@victoriazero8869who told you that?
@@hectordiazrodriguez7294 Lot's of research and fangirl insiders. And even then there's still other men who call them sissies.
They can't bulk up too much. If you ask how stringent the requirement is, a 180cm tall male Idol at 65kg is considered overweight.
@@victoriazero8869 yeah but is because they look sissies literall a kpop idol is one of the most androgenous people in the world.
I don"t said they are bad or something, i simply say that they are not masculine and literally are the steriotype of how a man looks like for a twitter stan girl.
She lied as naturally as she breathed
Just mistaken i think
What is she trying to cook
I think bear’s point is that even if you arent hot asf someone out there will still be attracted to you 😳
@@pebbelch she didn't say you do have a chance of meeting that person tho
@@idratherhidethat6033 Coz that chance is essentially zero.
@@DinnerForkTongue yes
I hate how we systemized dating, diferent people like diferent things and just because you see consistency it doesn't mean a rule.
"A man is like a bear: the uglier he is, the more attractive he is."
Spanish Proverb
I uh... are the spanish rating bear attractiveness?
Baldur's Gate 3 wasn't developed in Belgium, apparently, but Spain.
Men don't have make-up
This.
I honestly think it should be banned because it's non eugenic. It decreases people's genetic fitness when you can't know how she truly looks like.
Plus i think most women would be seen as ugly-mid without it so there wouldn't be a simp pandemic.
@@constantinethecataphract5949 There's no point in banning it, but it'd be nice if public opinion turned against it.
@@seg162 There is a reason almost all past societies banned it
The guys she likes are the exact types to wear foundation toners and concealer. Those Asian pretty boys are metrosexual(an old phrase but I don’t know the new term for these type of men)
They’re not the soyboys that we’ve come to know. These people eat tofu and fried spam as breakfast, Exercise only their core and Wear designer jewelry.
I don't know who she is. But thanks to the algorithm, i will sub to her
Shes Fujikura Uruka, a blue bear who does many music streams, chatting streams, and a bit of gaming content
Do check out her streams if youre curious, shes fun but can be cursed (also fun)
>it definitely happens
i really thought her next line was going to be "by me" LOL
I came to this video from the newer clip where she demonstrated her absurdly high standards. Funny.
Hoe_math explains why some women think like this.
looks money status are the big 3 things and if u don't fit any of them it's over
Yes, she means every word of this. She's absolutely NOT just saying this to appeal to her viewers. Not in ANY WAY.
Uruka all over the board tonight
I disagree with Uruka on this, HEAVILY. But we can agree to disagree and that's fine.
This is not a fair comparison. One person making a donation doesn't speak for all men. And as you know, only men are allowed to generalize, so I think we can all agree that Uruka overstepped her bounds.
I'm the most average looking dude imaginable and my gf thinks I'm an 8/10. Women just be like that
you found the gem
Just so you know 7/10 is average on the attractive scale, so you are just above average, and considering most people find themselves less attractive it makes sense you are an 8/10
@@justarandomguy3969 yeah, 7-8/10 guys do get GFs, my 4 ass can just sit in the corner and spit venom
How tall are you
@@0verloud350 5'10
uruka is a vtuber in phase, she is in no way representative of the average woman
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"Girls like average looking guys." This is statisaclly incorrect.
There are far more single young men than single young women and that number continues increasing.
She says she likes soyboys, but I guarantee you that they are still very attractive. (Litererlly look at the male model that was used by the editor lmao)
Furthermore on average women don't care nearly as much about look as they do your ability to provide. This is why women don't date men who make less money than them.
Her opinion of saying that there are more ugly men than women is incorrect. Women are way are biologically only interested in the top percent of men, but if you compared just physical looks between men and women you'd find that there are just as many ugly men as there are women.
In fact since the Global population is currently 51% women there is in fact a greater chance that there are more ugly women.
A single percent of the global population is 80 million people. So there are about 160 million more woman than men alive currently.
We as humans want to play a game and say that things are equal, but they're not. Some people have much better live than others.
It is harder to be man than a woman.
As a man no one cares about you, and you get none of what you want unless you're the top dog.
If you're not the top dog, not only does no one care about you, not only do you get none of what you want, but nobody respects you and that's inherently apparent in how the world interacts with you.
Also you cant complain about it, only possible answer is "just try VERY hard and become top dog! Thats it!"
yea tnx
just win a race with a very large number of people when you also have hobbies that don't directly contribute to it. It's too bad that I can assess my chances realistically
Asian incel moment
Well this is even more reason to hit the f*cking gym boys. Become ur best self
unfortunately i am extremely jacked and will never get a gf
In this video, guys who don't talk to women try to explain to a woman what the woman's preferences are
I think it's fair to say that women tend to be more generally attractive more because other women give more of a shit. This could just be my experiences, but the vast majority of guy friends I've seen don't give much of a shit about anything above basic hygiene and every woman I've talked about this say they dress up more for other women (even when straight) than men. Obviously there are exceptions to this on both sides, but like Uwuga said, it's about the average.
The biggest issue is that most dating nowadays happens via dating apps and studies have clearly shown that women are almost entirely disinterested in *actual* average guys on them. Women rated 80% of guys average or below and the swiping data shows that most guys will swipe endlessly without matches and if they do get one, the woman is about as interactive as the next wall. If the "average" guy has to now be in the top 20% of looks, then most guys will simply find no matches.
You'll probably think that they just "need to get their profile in order", but all women who said the same thing and then tried dating as a male on those apps failed miserably and were shocked at how apathetic the average guy is treated.
Sure, you could try dating in person, but things like "Me Too" and certain laws that can make it a crime to even approach a woman in the wrong way have made that feel akin to Russian roulette for guys, so it's been in steep decline.
You don't need to also be a woman to question whether a woman is burying the lede. Same goes for men, but I think men tend to have more overtly bad/shallow standards instead of standards that make you question why they aren't already married.
Pretty sure she doesnt know what she's talking about.
can confirm, i am bisexual and i find women and femboys cuter, though i like futanari too
They actually did a study and found the exact same results as Uruk’s feels: both men and women (and regardless of orientation) think think women are generally better-looking than men of the same relative attractiveness (e.g. a 6/10 girl is nicer looking than a 6/10 guy). I personally ascribe this to women having better grooming standards and fashion options.
"A woman isn't a woman unless she's beautiful and a man isn't a man unless he's ugly" -Captain K'nuckles
Also, excessive bulk doesn't look good, not even on men. Finally! My opinion has been validated!
Current day mass monsters take it way too far, the silver age of bodybuilding (40s to early 70s) had most of the best physiques in my opinion.
My girlfriend and I are both average looking (by most people's standards), so I can both relate and not relate to this.
Another thing to take into consideration is region. Each region will consider different body types "average." For example, at least in the US, if you're below TN or so, the average person will be skinnier than those more towards the northern states due to having to hunker down for the winter months as opposed to be more out an about. This also changes with the regional diet. Ex. in Asian countries the diet is more towards less fatty foods in general (fish, tofu, etc.) as opposed to beef or other caloric dense foods that are eaten in excess.
This shouldn't mean you shouldn't have standards for yourself, just make sure they're realistic standards. If you're living in Alaska and expect a skinny as a rail, bombshell blonde, you should probably lower your expectations. That doesn't mean not try, but if you click with someone who's outside of your standards but not way outside where it will clash, then go for it. Don't shut yourself out of something just because they don't 1:1 match.
Statistically, there is someone out there for everyone. It's just more how to find them. You know, fingers crossed, knock on wood.
Based on statistics the Midwest is the most fat region with the south as the second of 4. The lowest is actually the western US.
I have a feeling makeup is severely distorting this perception.
I love average looking woman
And I do love you uruka
Your voice is totally my type
What even was the point trying to be made here wha?
This is blackpill gold
Ive been told by many women that they were attracted to me due to my personality and not my looks, but then again my current girlfriend of 4 years thinks Im the hottest man alive and wasnt the first woman to say so.
Women are weird, but so are men so touchè.
Dude you are her beta provider , she is telling you thinks to hook you.
She's totally fucking like 3 other guys behind your back.
@@NEETKitten She is probably (and hopefully) not cheating on him, and there is no reason to ill-wish him like that.
Girlfriend of four years? Dude's almost made it to the "almost made it" line, and I trust we know that it's difficult to even get that far.
the most men would not care too much on looks, and most women would really care so much on looks. that creates the relative perspective skewed towards men having lower average score than women.
this is ignoring the opinion of men and women themselves.
It's the reverse. Men are more concerned with looks than women are on average, and it's not even close. There's a reason that trashy romance fiction is extremely popular with women and does comparatively little for men, men are far more concerned with the visual aspects.
However when women are asked about men's appearances, they rate the vast majority of men poorly, the saving grace is that women are willing to accept "below average" appearance if it comes with compensators like social status or wealth to a much greater degree than are men with women. A woman's social status or wealth means very little to a man unless he's a con artist, but her appearance is very important. The compensator in the case of men is that a large proportion of men die alone and childless, so they can't really be picky unless they are among the male elite.
More women would look average if they weren't covered in more paint than a picaso painting.
Are we really listening to a jpeg tell us who and who isn't attractive.
aw that's cute she like "soy? god i hope not and it's just femboys boys" ans tenam likes " GOD OF WAR MEN " LOL
Sounds to me like different people live very different lives, resulting in vastly different generalizations. Like the nice guys and nice girls generalizing the other sex as bad/toxic, further solidifying/justifying their position based on a few like-minded people allowing them to form an echo chamber. Imo, people are too varied to reliably predict based on generalizations.
Like, if you say some group generally behaves in some way, you'll likely include the possibility of exceptions, but at what point are you gonna say that there are too many exceptions for your generalization to apply? And how will you determine if a counter example to your generalization is an exception or solid proof against it, and how do you go about fairly comparing that to the proof and examples supporting your generalizations? With the generalizations I've heard from people in my life, I've concluded that perhaps it's better to just admit that I know very little about others outside those I've personally gotten to know. Better not to assume and act like an expert, cuz I'm not.
While certain generalizations made about certain groups may be true, yeah it’s definitely better to focus on and get to know more about the people that’re actually around you
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Man moment ☕
man moment
I know an average guy, he got good personality only his face looks like horror beyond comprehension
Her conception of average might not actually be accurate. For example there was that ok Cupid study which showed that women consider 80% of guys to be below average.
A much better measure of standards would be percentage. What percentage of men are women attracted to? I don't think it's a high number. Men would be attracted to a much larger portion of the female population, as long as you exclude really old women over the age of 40.
So if you compare the percentage of men below 40 that women find attractive to the percentage of women below 40 that men find attractive, the latter would be a higher number.
Maybe things even out when we get older but personally I think women still have an advantage due to dating apps. Either way, women have a massive advantage when they are young.
Pretty good clip. Never heard of this chick before, but she's not wrong.
Based Uruka
The Bear speaking her truth.
my sister hates muscles too
The attractiveness bell curve for men is narrow and for women it's wide. Ugly women are more common and uglier than ugly men, but attractive women are more common and hawtter than attractive men
Attractiveness for men, rated by women, isn't a bell curve, it's Pareto.
@@rsonic510 I'm a man and I'm rating both as a man. I'm also straight
@@philosopherkingzant2037 Which means you aren't a woman?
@@rsonic510 What is a woman?
@@philosopherkingzant2037 A miserable pile of secrets. Now have at you!
All this says is I'm below average. I shaved my neck beard for nothing!!!
I think is slighty better to be called instead of being just ignored like in the example she brought up
"You guys are spending too much time in twitter"
They hated Jesus bc he said the truth
idk, maybe i dont have perspective because i'm straight, but just going out and around town, unless you're near a college campus or downtown of a city, i genuinely see maybe 1% of the 18~40 year old female population as attractive, whereas i see lots of guys that i think women (or gay men) would find attractive.
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Meh, as a guy, it makes no difference what you look like, what really matters at the end of the day is how much money you make. Make enough money and all the women come knocking... lol
Will they love you or your money though?
You will just be beta provider tho.
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Yeah, because most likely he is already minecrafted himself.
Purely statistically, Uruka is so fucking far from how it actually is in reality. Something-something, vtuber privilige.
"Purely statistically"
What people like you are insinuating is that you think your own dads are really attractive.
we just like bitchin 😎
I think in more cases than not, man are just more attracted in general. There are probably more man being attracted by a lot of women than women being attracted by a lot of man. I don't think that has anything to do with standards or expectations perse but more with most culture's having women be better connected then men. So men oftentimes search more for connections.
Speaking as a man from a man's perspective, men need to search more for validation since they get less on average normally
I agree with her, but a man would get socially ostracised if he called a woman ”ugly”.
Im going to die alone lol
Dum spiro spero
this is a propaganda lads. stay focus on gym brothers
For real tho, I'm neither a muscular guy nor a soy boy, but Tenma has better taste.
Uruka when she goes to japan and see the pretty bois will loose her mind
them dudes that be standing around in shibuya no homo but they look good
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P.s.:Hi Pebble, did you heard about our lord and saviour of emotions Bijou da rock?
Indeed, I heard her fanbase is called pebbles lol
It would be nice collaboration one day;)
People are people, the problem is humans
Pippa into a Nerd with internet explorer hair style. Uruka is right.
Pippa just likes lesbians so she doesn't count
She is spitting mad shit for someone hiding behind a png.
Ayo, I’m a nerdy guy
My name is literally geek
Back to lol queue for me
In your opinion doesn't mean it's true, I've always being considered ugly and bullied by girls at school for that: it doesn't means I'm REALLY THAT UGLY, I saw much worst SHIT ladies in this world!!