KSP Mods - Extraplanetary Launchpads

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  • Опубліковано 22 січ 2025

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  • @EdgedPixie
    @EdgedPixie 8 років тому +166

    You can make a spaceship capable of building spaceship-building spaceships.
    I don't even--

  • @humbletrack5448
    @humbletrack5448 4 роки тому +53

    5 years later , still helped a lot! thanks!

  • @Sartori
    @Sartori 9 років тому +13

    This is so cool! Really opens up a lot of possibilities, especially with colonies on the moon, or Duna, or Laythe being able to build their own ships. Or being able to build a ship in orbit that doesn't have to be designed with atmospheric flight considered at all, purely for interplanetary travel, like the Discovery from 2001.

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому +3

      Sartori exactly my friend, so many glorious possibilities with this

  • @AlterBridgeSaint
    @AlterBridgeSaint 9 років тому +94

    All this talk about metal is making me wanna headbang

  • @varisthecat1
    @varisthecat1 3 роки тому +5

    my sincerest thanks for your video, i wouldn't have been able to make a base in minmus if it weren't for you. New subscriber!

  • @aaronhowell503
    @aaronhowell503 9 років тому +117

    So with this launch pad mod, you could just put a launch pad on the launch pad, and (in career) build ships using the ore that is at the launch pad, and never spend money on another ship.

    • @troelshansen6212
      @troelshansen6212 8 років тому +51

      yes, and? You can become a self-sustaining space program that does not depend on subcontractors for raw materials and manufacture. Nothing wrong with that from a game balance perspective. However, these parts are fairly high up in the tech tree so you will have to play "the usual way" for quite a while before you can get it set up

    • @OnanTheMan
      @OnanTheMan 8 років тому +27

      Yup, thats the idea. Become self sustaining by mining asteroids and planets to build your ships. Set up an orbital construction facility of some kind and use it to build your vessels in space. Fill them up with fuel and send them on their way.
      Kinda cool since it's the natural progression of space programs. Launching everything off a planet is terribly inefficient. Even if we could build just the hull of a spacecraft in orbit we could make massive ships.

    • @TheyTookStrawb
      @TheyTookStrawb 5 років тому +1

      Nope, can't manufacture stuff with metal and such.

    • @alexwang982
      @alexwang982 4 роки тому +1

      There’s ore on the launch pad?

    • @gruneforestb5645
      @gruneforestb5645 4 роки тому +1

      @@alexwang982 no

  • @Epic24123
    @Epic24123 5 років тому +8

    two words: fighter carriers
    but really, imagine a ship that could just print out robotic fighters, needing to be resupplied with fuel and rocket parts and other ship-y stuff

  • @GunboyzElite
    @GunboyzElite 9 років тому +2

    Thanks I've been waiting for this by you. I am so excited to play with this mod now!

  • @fancyman4006
    @fancyman4006 9 років тому +25

    If there was a drinking game for every time very cool and useful in this video. So many would have died.

  • @GoldenAura32
    @GoldenAura32 9 років тому +21

    Have you ever tried to recycle an asteroid? I'm very curious to see what would happen.

  • @eekee6034
    @eekee6034 3 роки тому +2

    I need this mod! :D I'm all about expanding into space, colonizing rather than just exploring. Setting up factories is a part of what I want to do.

  • @kerbaldude2247
    @kerbaldude2247 8 років тому +6

    Yes! Now i can finaly get into space without penetrating into the atmosp here :D

  • @thomashex
    @thomashex 9 років тому +4

    I swear we did this mod. Probably another "De ja vu" moment. Btw, I love that the interplanetary launchpad mod make it compatible with the new 1.0 ore system.

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому +3

      Unix Universe it is nice with the stock ore, one less mod to have to wait to update if things change lol

  • @starksolutions8653
    @starksolutions8653 6 років тому +2

    A very useful mod for interstellar missions I would say.

  • @josephadkins4055
    @josephadkins4055 9 років тому +23

    What happens when a ship with crew is fed into the recycler?

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому +6

      Joseph Adkins I honestly don't know, I've always emptied my crews out before recycling ... huh

    • @MrJamesbondo07
      @MrJamesbondo07 9 років тому +15

      ***** last i checked they died and i think if you have modular kolonization they turn into biomass or mulch or something like that

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому +23

      Roman Candle well thats ... morbid, fair enough

    • @MrJamesbondo07
      @MrJamesbondo07 9 років тому +1

      im not sure if its true though

    • @CaligulaBoots
      @CaligulaBoots 9 років тому +9

      Roman Candle Koylent Green?

  • @randallpittman3498
    @randallpittman3498 7 років тому +3

    This video is.....
    very fun, very useful, very handy!

  • @Officer_duh
    @Officer_duh 6 місяців тому +1

    Rover pov: “FINALLY!! IM FREEEEE!!!”
    **gets instantly consumed for scrap**

  • @Astro_weeeeee
    @Astro_weeeeee 5 років тому +3

    With this you can go to the farthest planet with a craft that can go only to kerbin orbit with advanced fule conserving strategies

  • @juniper9836
    @juniper9836 8 років тому +33

    10:42
    This is what i was thinking, and it distracted me. _Can you put Kerbals in the bin?_

    • @shulongzhao
      @shulongzhao 8 років тому +1

      same

    • @Linventor
      @Linventor 8 років тому +1

      at the end of the video, I was wondering HOW he managed to run past the recycler without making the kerbal go in it.

    • @NightBeWheat
      @NightBeWheat 5 років тому

      @@shulongzhao same

    • @NightBeWheat
      @NightBeWheat 5 років тому

      Same

  • @StrattCaster
    @StrattCaster 8 років тому +2

    Thanks for posting; very helpful.

  • @amp12328
    @amp12328 2 роки тому +2

    Plz make a more updated video because I spent 4 hours trying to get it to work

  • @andrewheisant6146
    @andrewheisant6146 7 років тому +4

    21:41 beautiful cycle of life

  • @mr.caterpillar5642
    @mr.caterpillar5642 9 років тому +4

    Oh my word. Your are the best ksp gamer i have EVER seen. Keep up the good work!

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому +3

      Ethan Hommes wow if you think I'm the best ever you clearly haven't watched Scott Manely yet lol

    • @mr.caterpillar5642
      @mr.caterpillar5642 9 років тому +1

      I have seen him, although i think your WAY more fun to watch! xD. Btw you should really look at the BD Armoury mod

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому +2

      Ethan Hommes I have, ages ago. check out the playlist of KSP mods on my channel page

    • @mr.caterpillar5642
      @mr.caterpillar5642 9 років тому +1

      Ok thanks

  • @Pink_Maggit
    @Pink_Maggit 7 років тому +3

    This video is very handy, very useful

  • @TheMCAsians
    @TheMCAsians 9 років тому +6

    Very good video, as usual.

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому +1

      Mark Landin Thanks, glad you enjoyed

    • @willcooper506
      @willcooper506 9 років тому

      ***** hi man think ur best youtuber ;;) thanks for showing off thiz mods ples reply ? Any way u got a cupple new subs I showrd my frends your vids ;)

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому

      Will Cooper Thanks, and glad you enjoy the vids and shared them with friends

    • @willcooper506
      @willcooper506 9 років тому

      ***** hay can u help me a sec

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому +1

      Will Cooper perhaps whats the issue

  • @EvolvedSungod
    @EvolvedSungod 8 років тому +4

    I can't figure out how to set/change the spawn point location for the launchpads. The ships keep spawning inside my ship/base and it just all blows up...
    The stakes also don't show up on the launchpad menu...

  • @WaltherAriza
    @WaltherAriza 5 місяців тому

    9 years later still helpfull i would hav died without a tutorial!!!!!

  • @shanewilson7994
    @shanewilson7994 9 років тому +8

    Curious, if you have a kerbal in a vehicle you put in the recycler does the Kerbal meet a rather gruesome end?

  • @DanteofSparda5376
    @DanteofSparda5376 3 роки тому +3

    Im gonna make an entire KSC orbiting Kerbol, when I get a gaming PC 👍

    • @TURPEG
      @TURPEG 2 роки тому +1

      I want it see it

  • @pistolpetepeterson
    @pistolpetepeterson 5 років тому +2

    When I first heard reference of this mod it sounded like it would be super cheaty. but it dosent look that bad. It seems like it will fit in with the ground construction mod i picked up last week quite well.

  • @nyxortheultimate9364
    @nyxortheultimate9364 9 років тому +2

    combine this with the new B9 huge parts, and I see an orbital factory/construction ship coming on.

  • @Mientus_official
    @Mientus_official 3 роки тому +1

    i dont have metal conversion option in furnace why?

  • @ubershark2617
    @ubershark2617 8 років тому +1

    This mod is like playing through Galacticraft all over again.

  • @ValStartaker
    @ValStartaker 8 років тому +4

    When I click "Build" it's stuck on 0% and 0s. I have the correct amount of rocket parts and everything is functioning properly

    • @HowToCompute
      @HowToCompute 8 років тому +1

      Same, please tell me if you have a solution :)

    • @phun-puhnium3145
      @phun-puhnium3145 8 років тому +2

      maybe the mod is outdated.

    • @HowToCompute
      @HowToCompute 8 років тому +1

      I found that this is likely due to modulemanager, try deleting all of your mods, updating to the latest version and using CKAN to install your mods, it worked for me ;)

    • @Apollo-gj3pi
      @Apollo-gj3pi 8 років тому +1

      can someone send me an actual link with download for Module manager?

  • @haydenlancaster9237
    @haydenlancaster9237 9 років тому +2

    Make a play through with interstellar travel mods! That would be super cool.

  • @nuxapower
    @nuxapower 8 років тому

    Very good, very useful, very nice

  • @__CS
    @__CS 7 років тому

    Very good, very useful- he said for the thousandth time

  • @MrZobiwan
    @MrZobiwan 9 років тому +2

    very smart mod, but seems to be very difficult and time eater ^^
    will give it a try through

  • @Cyynapse
    @Cyynapse 8 років тому +28

    My only gripe with this mod is that the majority of the models are ugly.
    I *do* consider this to be an essential mod, however. Along with Life Support, KIS, KAS, and HyperEdit

    • @screengames5307
      @screengames5307 7 років тому +7

      As Isaac Arthur said, "This isn't a beauty pageant it's a goddamn spaceship"

    • @proot.
      @proot. 7 років тому +2

      ScreenGames what video was that?

    • @patrikhjorth3291
      @patrikhjorth3291 6 років тому +5

      That's pretty much my reaction as well. The mod maker has a really good idea, but needs some assistance with texturing.

    • @HalNordmann
      @HalNordmann 3 роки тому

      A nice alternative is the SimpleConstruction mod. It uses the same code, but applies the functionality to stock parts.

  • @tubecraft5343
    @tubecraft5343 6 років тому

    Drilling the launch pad...
    Greatest saboteur

  • @eboubaker3722
    @eboubaker3722 4 роки тому

    i like how he says Kerbul Space Program

  • @GaryParkin
    @GaryParkin 7 років тому

    "Just load a recycler onto the front of a ship and scoop them up" HAHAAHA An interstellar garbage truck. rofl.
    This sounds like a super mod.

  • @TheArchitectJC
    @TheArchitectJC 9 років тому

    I have been using this mod since i learned how to get to the Mun like 2 years ago. maybe a little less but you get my point.

  • @birbwithagun9616
    @birbwithagun9616 7 років тому

    Waaait so if you have enough parts you can make another rocket that has the factory and launchpad, for a trip to any planet when fueled and create another launchpad on said planet and repeat the process to make a base on any planet you can land on safely?

  • @cartaiggenica
    @cartaiggenica 9 років тому

    "very useful, very handy" gotta love this guy

  • @ianwilson4286
    @ianwilson4286 8 років тому

    I can not get stakes to work. I get them in the ground with malet but it does not show as a place to build. What am I missing?

  • @sacraacala6561
    @sacraacala6561 2 роки тому

    Hey i recently encountered a bug with this mod where the seats arent showing up on anything or storage only the words KSP-recall::attach on edit idk what this means but its basiclly bricked the mod if anyone could help me understand why its doing this

  • @guillermoelnino
    @guillermoelnino 2 роки тому +1

    I'm starting a new career mode game after being away from this game for... years. Would really like to be able to get to a point where I'm building rockets on duna.

  • @reachtrev69
    @reachtrev69 9 років тому

    ive seen alot of people who cant get the stakes to work and im one of them but no one seems to have the answer but i suggest to you all to get hyper edit then when your craft is stuck on the launchpad just open hyper edit alt+h>orbit edit>velocity>then select up and add like 5, this way the exhaust from your build doesn't blow up anything

  • @non-copyrightmusicandmemes4000
    @non-copyrightmusicandmemes4000 8 років тому +1

    I cant find stake in the VAB

  • @awsumguy-bh9pz
    @awsumguy-bh9pz 3 роки тому

    The hex canisters look like flash grenades too me lol.

  • @munch15a
    @munch15a 7 років тому

    question when the big blue thing eats a ship will it also eat the fuel in it so I can use it later ?

  • @rajeevsinha8701
    @rajeevsinha8701 8 років тому

    my construction workshop showing productivity 0 i dont know why i have everything set up properly

    • @DrippyWaffler
      @DrippyWaffler 8 років тому

      +Rajeev Sinha Same here. I have 5 guys with almost no stupidity and it is showing zero. If you work it out please let me know :)

  • @Apollo-gj3pi
    @Apollo-gj3pi 8 років тому

    Every time I look for Module Manager I cant find it or it wont have a download button, can someone please send me a link please?

  • @aqilaalubis
    @aqilaalubis 8 років тому

    15:15 Just realised that SubAss on the Extraplanetary Launchpad 5.1.91: PRELAUNCH menu wasn't what I thought it was going to be. Thanks Kottabos for telling me what it means.
    (I thought it meant half an ass/arse)

  • @yoel_games9062
    @yoel_games9062 3 роки тому

    when i downloaded this mod and placed it in the game data folder, there is a new section added called "EL ITEMS" but even when i researched everything in the tech tree, nothing shows up. is there something am i doing wrong? any help would be appreciated.

  • @Splinter-ge9pf
    @Splinter-ge9pf 5 років тому

    Did someone count how many Times he said "Very handy, very useful"?

  • @munch15a
    @munch15a 7 років тому

    also with the kerbal inv system can I add stuts onto a rocket in orbit and how do i do it ?

    • @tubecraft5343
      @tubecraft5343 6 років тому

      I know how to use Kerbal Attachment Systems to do that. simply select the strut in the KAS UI and place it with your mouse. Does not know anything about Kerbal Inventory Systems.

  • @ryz_vik
    @ryz_vik 3 роки тому

    In the new update, theres 'Efficiency" How do I get it up? its very slow now, 78 days and still not enough metal to build anything

  • @andrewlalis
    @andrewlalis 8 років тому

    This guy has a great voice.

  • @lesliejohnrichardson
    @lesliejohnrichardson 9 років тому

    SEARCHED FOR THIS BEST MOD EVER NOW I FOUND IT!!!!!!

  • @megaangryjoe
    @megaangryjoe 9 років тому

    for some reason when i drop, or even attach, teh survey stake it wont show up in the ui. why?

    • @RainingBullets
      @RainingBullets 9 років тому

      +megaangryjoe
      Did you use the "EL Survey Station" under the utility tab? The survey stake site won't show on the construction dock, launch pad, etc. You need to specifically use the "EL Survey Station" part, and after you attach the stake to the ground with the mallet it should show up on the UI of the part.

    • @megaangryjoe
      @megaangryjoe 9 років тому

      RainingBullets thanks this worked :D

  • @t8j616
    @t8j616 7 років тому

    21:43 great job

  • @bromoment2551
    @bromoment2551 2 роки тому

    Idk why but it doesn’t work for me I had all the mods needed for it

  • @Adriann30
    @Adriann30 8 років тому

    Anyone else had problems getting the recyclers to work on versions 1.0.x? Mine do not show any state on or off. Are there any known mods that conflict with this??? Google is not proving much of a help here.
    Edit: the orbital construction dock is also not showing a gui button even tho i have the toolbar mod installed and mod manager and everything.

  • @Motizzie95
    @Motizzie95 9 років тому

    Build the rover, fill the resources, release to make it an independent body aaaaand it's gone! hahaha

  • @NightBeWheat
    @NightBeWheat 5 років тому

    When your kerbal gets sucked into the recycler
    My time Has come

  • @kkbkkbkkb1010
    @kkbkkbkkb1010 8 років тому +7

    The small, The medium... and the... tiny?

  • @cyberstar251
    @cyberstar251 5 років тому

    can you do a tutorial for this mod? i really need it, all other video tutorials only focus on one function, be it the orbital pads or ground base pads.

  • @TheIcyWizard705
    @TheIcyWizard705 9 років тому

    hey i downloaded this mod but parts like the orbital dock and the blue workshop are missing, I also can't actually build anything, the UI lets me chose a ship but it does not progress past 0%. any idea why that's happening?

  • @kalsikherensk8440
    @kalsikherensk8440 9 років тому

    Hey, anyone able to help me with this mod?
    Every place I download it for, for KSP 1.0 or 1.0.2. I always have no Plugins folder.
    Older versions had it when I downloaded, with the KSPAIExtensions.dll and the Launchpad.dll inside it.
    Yet every place I've downloaded it doesn't have that plugins inside the gamedata folder. Especially crucial with Launchpads.dll plugin.
    Please!?
    I loved this mod in 0.25, but after 0.90 I have been missing those key plugins and it has crippled my interplanetary empire building ability.

    • @clvnmdr453
      @clvnmdr453 9 років тому

      Kal'sik Herensk You don't put mods in the plugins folder anymore. You put them in the Game Data folder.

  • @ismaelclaussell7061
    @ismaelclaussell7061 5 років тому

    what if ur on a rover then you got sucked up?

  • @aidanniblock6186
    @aidanniblock6186 8 років тому

    idea for this mod what about a orbital launch pad.

  • @dysonlewis6990
    @dysonlewis6990 8 років тому

    now I want to get this, and throw Kerbals in the recycler

  • @thefishinggamekeeper5713
    @thefishinggamekeeper5713 8 місяців тому

    How do I get productivity for creating these ships? I don't have no productivity at all and would like to get some. Little help plz. Btw the productivity is for building the ships themselves on those launchpads

  • @thediamondfinger3792
    @thediamondfinger3792 9 років тому

    can you do a biodomes mod showing?I need help working it out.

  • @JOINTBAW
    @JOINTBAW 9 років тому

    they updated interstellar mod can u do a mod spot light of it?

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому

      ***** I already made a video of it a while back and I prefer to look at new stuff rather than updates for mods I've already looked at.

  • @teenisteenis9642
    @teenisteenis9642 5 років тому

    dear sweet jebediah got a thumbs up from me lol

  • @user2C47
    @user2C47 8 років тому

    can you recycle kerbals? if yes, what does it give?

  • @harold1363
    @harold1363 9 років тому

    is there a way to pick the stakes up once you have places them?

  • @DeadlyApples666
    @DeadlyApples666 8 років тому +4

    Very useful
    Very handy lol

  • @ers4415
    @ers4415 9 років тому +5

    Did you kave the kas mod installed?

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому

      Emanuel Sigvardsson yup

    • @ers4415
      @ers4415 9 років тому

      +KottabosGames how i think its not updated

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому

      Emanuel Sigvardsson it isn't yet but the parts still work as KIS has been updated and they function the same, but it's just a little buggy.

    • @ers4415
      @ers4415 9 років тому

      ***** Now it is FINALLY updated tho.
      ps. sry for my english im swedish

  • @qbek_san
    @qbek_san 9 років тому +1

    -no 1.0.5 compability?-
    edit: already updated 1.0.5

    • @arianabedi
      @arianabedi 9 років тому

      +Qbek Looking at my CKAN window, it says max version 1.0.5 so it does have support.

    • @qbek_san
      @qbek_san 9 років тому

      Oh! Looks like they just recently updated! It was not, when I've written that.

  • @whirly_bird
    @whirly_bird 9 років тому

    Is there any way to use the stock drills to mine MetalOre?

    • @RobertMcBride-is-cool
      @RobertMcBride-is-cool 9 років тому

      +Eashaan Katiyar Did you take a picture of your screen to get that profile pic?

  • @jeffhubbard4329
    @jeffhubbard4329 8 років тому

    I have to say that I am a kerbal engineer and you can mine with out kerbal inventory system

  • @punkrockzoologist9449
    @punkrockzoologist9449 7 років тому

    Tiny note, "Taniwha" is pronounced "Tanifaa". It is the name of a Maori mythical water monster, and in Maori words, a wh is pronounced as an F.

  • @peeperleviathan2839
    @peeperleviathan2839 Рік тому

    Playing ksp on 3X scale I know using this mod will help me a huge amount, a base on minmus would save me nearly 4500 M/s just for orbit

  • @ryancue7809
    @ryancue7809 9 років тому

    I've done everything exactly as shown. My timer won't change from 0..

  • @iKn-ft2bc
    @iKn-ft2bc 8 років тому +1

    Would be nice if Kottabo could contact this Mod Creator , i have an awesome idea
    A build Roboter ;) build how large you like... the roboter will walk where it needs the part...
    so... its like a bot that drives like unlimited to X and Y... but limited Z ..
    where do you get fuel from!?!?! so: mine the fuel also

  • @jack5exe312
    @jack5exe312 7 років тому

    were are the launchpads?

  • @Alpha-df9xh
    @Alpha-df9xh 8 років тому

    Are the resources restored if we cancel construction?

  • @Haanicz
    @Haanicz 8 років тому +1

    What's a subassembly? ( I'm a begginer at KSP.)

  • @alexanderstark3553
    @alexanderstark3553 2 дні тому

    10 years and they haven't updated some of their weirder textures.

  • @VoiduhBeat1
    @VoiduhBeat1 8 років тому

    very interessing!

  • @anrrypablo7968
    @anrrypablo7968 9 років тому

    do you have the link for Download for the version 1.0.0 of the mod ?

  • @rmearth3967
    @rmearth3967 6 років тому

    do you have kas

  • @hansbengtonbengton9486
    @hansbengtonbengton9486 7 років тому

    kuddabo space program???

  • @Ratchet4647
    @Ratchet4647 8 років тому

    i havent really been following up on ksp for a while now but did you say that ksp updates have made mods like the kethane mod obsolete?

  • @viktorgemeri4588
    @viktorgemeri4588 3 роки тому

    cool vid

  • @ham8426
    @ham8426 9 років тому

    You didn't do a video on this? I thought I started using it because of watching one of your videos? Im confused D:
    The problem with the Luanchpad's crew seats, once they're in there you can't get them out, there's no crew hatch that I've found. I also don't like that moving parts that aren't Infernal Robotics bits don't keep items attached to them properly. If you put a docking node say on the launchpad then open it the docking node will stay floating in space where it was originally attached.
    Killing me waiting for Near Future Electrical to update, mods like ELP, really need those nuclear reactors to run effectively.
    Did you test with heat shields? It'd be awfully akward if heatsheilds started "empty".

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому

      The Nuker ya that is a weird thing about the launchpad, especially the moving parts issue. tried putting solar panels on it once and then unfolded it and they were floating in the air lol. and no I haven't heat shields ... hmm that could be worrisome.

    • @ham8426
      @ham8426 9 років тому

      Yeah, my thing is I wanted to drop the Launchpad on Minmus and I'd use docking nodes to hook it up to a larger structure, heck even getting the launchpad to fly is a chore, probably be easier to send a mission to use the stakes and poof a new launchpad on the surface. I'd also consider the BahumotoD parts, he made like, a launchpad (quite nice good animations) and some drills that actually actuate away from the main structure so they don't need to be placed so they "land" in the ground, freaking Huge though.

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому

      The Nuker Oh ya BahumotoD has some great parts, I'm partial to roverdudes though the new space dock and launchpad he adds in with the USI kolonization mod are gorgeous.

    • @ham8426
      @ham8426 9 років тому

      Those are nice too, kind of annoying though cause they turn off the stock EPL stuff. simple config change but still, some of the stock parts are kind of vital even with USI stuff. Like the storage tanks.

    • @KottabosGames
      @KottabosGames  9 років тому

      The Nuker ya that certainly is a slight annoyance