all tekken 8 strings need a general tracking nerf on 2nd and 3rd hits. its pretty dumb. the devs have only done this to specific strings like on dragunov when it should be applied to most of them.
I think you're underestimating how difficult it is to deal with these systems and their legacy codebase that has been built over years and years. Small changes might break a ton of other stuff. Knowledgeable team members might have moved on, etc. Just offering an explanation, not a justification
This plus the character pushback bug that happens during some slow-motion KO moments before hit that forces whiffs for no freaking reason are the reasons why I can never take Tekken 8 seriously. Fancy package held together by Elmer's Glue.
This always happens to me. It's so frustrating... Craziest one for me was when I stepped Heihachi's ff2, as Lili. I didn't press a single button and then I got launched despite being directly behind him
Sidestepping doesn't work sometimes because some strings have magic tracking. I've had similar situations and a lot of players being toxic add up to being able to enjoy the game
the amount of stuff you cant sidestep now that you could in tekken 7 is crazy. in tekken 7 i would do techroll left into sidestep left against kazuya and it would avoid almost everything. in tekken 8 doing the same sequence i get clipped by hellsweep and even wr3, its so inexplicably stupid.
Fr man... If those stuff that track almost 360° don't catch us side stepping, most of the times we won't be able to punish properly cause side stepping into the simplest 112 punish won't reach somehow. And somehow even the cameraman is drunk so frequently that we mess up the punish for P2 or P1 side lol 😂 It's so baffling and frustrating. On top of still trying to back dash and get away from the opponent only to still get hit WHILE DOING NOTHING ELSE BUT ONLY HOLDING BACK! At least we got infinite games on quick matches. Better something than nothing, uh I guess
The most frustrating part is that doing Yoshi's D2,2,2 Tornado after specifically a wall blast can mess up completely so the first 2 hits connects, but the third makes you fly through the opponent completely. happened to me so many times, and that's from like a regular wall splat into blast combo.
2:40 +4 on block infinite range huge damage counterhit launching mid is fair because with just frame sidewalk right you can avoid it - tekken devs, probably
I recently replayed T6 with my buddies and i was blown away by how good and accurate the hitboxes where and the animations. How did the mess up with tracking and phantom ranges?
@@dannyrpt they had custom engine in T6 and Tag 2 T7 and T8 they shifted to unreal , stage interactions like snow,water + costumes and character models were also unique and better before if you noticed
Not to mention these are things that happen every match if not every round, and there are people defending them: 'you extended your hurtbox to the size of the entire stage/you needed to sidewalk right, who cares if the move didn't even touched you/it's fair cause this character doesn't usually track' or the opposite if the bug is against you 'it's deserved cause I don't like your character'. How about fixing things instead of making excuses or justifying them.
You know what...I'm starting to wonder if so many of these tracking issues are actually due to the camera not knowing which way to turn? Like in so many of these instances there's an interaction that causes the camera to jitter/sway as if it wants switch your character to P2. In some moments you do get swapped to P2 and your whiff punish misses. In other instances you dont get swapped and get clipped by a move that you clearly stepped. I really think this shit is because of the camera, on top of stupid tracking properties. I hope someone tests this shit.
this happens because after sidestepping, you press the button you want to punish wish too soon. The moment you press a button and the animation starts your hitboxes but also your hurtboxes shift which makes it very easy to get clipped by moves. 99% sure that this will happen less the moment you wait half a second longer to press a button :3
Another major component to this is 2nd hit of strings have larger hitboxes to make them more consistent on hit Ex 00:57 1st and 3rd whiffed but 2nd connected without the character pressing or moving Azucena df1 string on launch also had this problem, it used to counter hit players behind her.
As I know this was something from earlier Tekken 7 but was patched for better Tracking or Alignment cause it highly impacted certain characters. It had been there on launch of Tekken 8 so it's either they want it this way or they forgot to include the patch.
I'm not joking this just happened to me a few hours ago. I was side walking against Lily. The first attack wiffed so hard that she was attacking in the wrong directions. i was almost behind her at that point but she continued the string and the 2nd hit me.
Sometimes either they press when the animation didn't finish or it just the way of the game itself Like during 1:50 Kazuya second hit DF1F2 actually tracks his right side
Bro i swear sidestepping with reina and wiff punishing with df2 never fucking works in the most crutial momments. U step, it sideswitches randomly, u recognize it and still do the correct imput and it still wiffs in their back?!? Like wtf man...
Getting hit by moves after sidewalking and you being behind them is due to pushing a button to early and then expanding your hurtbox that makes you get hit (Well some moves just have stupid tracking tho, like Kings mid screw dive kick , it hits you even tho you are 3feet behind him XD) It looks really wonky and tbh something i hope they change. The constant sidewalling in the open due to minor misalignment is soooo annoying against certain characters aswell.. Tekken 8 still needs some work, it is solid in some regards, but alot of wonk here and there. Not to mention some characters are overly done(No weaknesses), certainly hope Season2 brings some much needed balance work etc
For when you get hit by follow-ups after you step, usually it's because you pressed. I couldn't explain you how it works in detail, but basically pressing makes you vulnerable to moves that should track that much. If you control the replay of theses moments and you do the same thing without pressing, i'm pretty sure none of that would hit. Tho everything whiffing after stepping a move, yea that's just bullshit lol, and it does happen a lot.
@@IAMOP Iirc he said something about sidestep doesn't work because players are not putting enough time into training it if you practice you'll get better at stepping and can avoid most situation Something like that could be wrong But yeah sidestep just seem so bad in Tekken 8 some move just track for no absolute reason and at times shit hit you from behind
180° tracking, and then players will tell ya that you need to visually confirm the whiff and wait out the strings before you press a button to punish, when this 180° tracking shouldn't even be a thing in the first place. 🤣 This is why I literally don't sidewalk or do bigger steps, just do micro steps into block or duck, you will still step linear moves but you will block/duck the moves you need to, no matter if they buffed the stepping if the tracking on the remained the same, you still have to play T7 basically.
Unless I make a hard read, for let's say Bryan's HS(Close range ONLY!!!! Do NOT sidewalk Bryan if you are 10 kilometers away from him), I sidewalk it easily. But during the match I usually don't sidewalk, I wait for a small whiff or an unsafe move and punish that.
Lol, t8 has better tracking then t7 it seems(from what i witnessed) but it has added some weird momentum(or more?) to moves on whiff 🤔 that was previously not there(E.g bry d+2) note- opponent has to be in tracking range for "momentum" effects
mofos see me play yoshi and will be like, "just spin bro". spinning out after the damage increase to it feels extra bad when strings just snap on to you anyway. hwo is especially bad. i can never spin out from his strings. EVERYTHNG magically realigns.
I'm sure someone could watch my gameplay and tell me sidestep left, but Lars is gonna have his way with me every time. I have no idea what is even happening.
Like how can anyone look at the clip from 2:50 and say that sidestepping isnt broken in this game? This is clear as day to me a combination of moves having TOO MUCH tracking and the CAMERA system, particularly AT THE WALL, not knowing wtf its doing. Look at Bryan. First the F3 tracks way more than it should, probably BECAUSE they are at the wall. The Lee trying to step makes the camera swing INTO the wall. This turns the Bryan causing the F3 to track more. At the end the Bryan is backturned. WHY? Because the fucking game logic is saying that Bryan should still be on P2 side, but the tracking/camera swung him to P1 side. This game is FUCKING BROKEN YALL. Waiting for that PHiDx video showing why Sidestepping is great in this game. What a joke.
I can describe at least some of these. Strings often track at least a little, especially between hits. This makes some sense because you wouldn’t want a string to fail on hit because the opponent was 2 degrees off axis at the start of the string. It can get silly though for ones that track super well and are like a heat seeking missile. The second clip was a face to wall situation and those are just always mega jank. Probably to avoid weird wall infinites or traps, the defender kinda bounces off and moves to the side. For some of these it’s a result of how Tekken handles hitboxes. I’m 99% sure the game doesn’t care which part of your body was hit, just that it was hit at all. So an uppercut to the tip of an outstretched hand will launch just as well as an uppercut to the chin. You see this sometimes when testing move ranges vs Heihachi who keeps a hand out in his idle stance, vs Claudio who keeps his hands by his side in his idle stance. Some of this is trying to hit a moving target. However the game detects the opponents position, at some point during the startup of a move the game stops turning you to face your opponent and you start doing the move in the direction you’re pointing. If the opponent keeps moving (either from sidestepping or because they’re moving forward from whiffing some move they’re doing) they’re off the line of attack. In the fourth clip Law is sailing past with a flying kick which probably moves way faster than a sidestep could, and Claudio whiffs the hopkick (especially because hopkicks don’t track to the left and Law was moving left at the time).
Tldr Tekken uses 2D hitboxes it's why they have bigger hitboxes than one would expect. It's not like Mortal Kombat where hitboxes/hurtboxes are tied to the actual 3D model
@ Yeah I remember seeing some utility for Tekken 7 that showed attack hitboxes are actually just lines, while character hurtboxes are a bunch of cylinders. I assume it hasn’t changed between T7 and T8.
They need to fix it because in the other game.The track and over there was wasn't so bad.He was able to step certain moves and no one a move is about to hit you.When you try to stop it, you know?The tracking on it this game here.They say you can stop certain moves.But the tracking on this game is insane and you will still get hit.That is not good
I like tekken 8, but yeah they gotta fix all this. I might be wrong but the way I see it, there are 2 problems: - the body have unnecessary active hitboxes when using some moves that catches 0 range like homing - the inconsistent realligning of the character, where moves just sometime tracks and sometime doesnt, and sometime fails to immediately face or follow the opponent straight after sidesteps. Its all janky Hope future seasons fix these problems.
mfs will look you dead in the eye and tell you “it’s because you didn’t step to the weak side”
The weakside in question:
all tekken 8 strings need a general tracking nerf on 2nd and 3rd hits. its pretty dumb. the devs have only done this to specific strings like on dragunov when it should be applied to most of them.
Non of eddys strings track if he tries to he’ll just keep going in that general direction
Sometimes it just makes you wonder if the devs even play the game themselves, this has been happening for a LONG TIME too
@@tobeehxd6999 they might have 5-6 QA people, Probably impossible to check all the possibilities
Harada litteraly playing against lilypichu in evo
I think you're underestimating how difficult it is to deal with these systems and their legacy codebase that has been built over years and years. Small changes might break a ton of other stuff. Knowledgeable team members might have moved on, etc. Just offering an explanation, not a justification
@AnimeUniverseDE Yeah i get what you guys are saying but it's not like this is new or anything, the tracking in T8 is really weird with some moves
@@bamantioiindrahidayat9062 woah, that sure does prove a lot.
I sure do love Tracking 8
Tmm and Phidx “sidesteps are bigger, better and more balanced than in tekken 7”
These characters have no tracking, guys
@@dronnovik95 yeah until they give moves broken hitboxes
@@Animavestraisjuggernaut They are Bandai shills paid by bamco, their opinion is heavily biased
@@Animavestraisjuggernautsidestepping is better
Meanwhile also tracking is better so they didn’t improve shit
This plus the character pushback bug that happens during some slow-motion KO moments before hit that forces whiffs for no freaking reason are the reasons why I can never take Tekken 8 seriously. Fancy package held together by Elmer's Glue.
This always happens to me. It's so frustrating... Craziest one for me was when I stepped Heihachi's ff2, as Lili. I didn't press a single button and then I got launched despite being directly behind him
"But, he's a linear character. That can't be."
“cOZ u eXTeNDed Ur HURt bOx bRo!”
I know it's meant to be ironic, but this kind of argument for 3D fighters pisses me off to no end
Reddit type beat
I mean that is one of the reasons why this game has more one and dones. Who wouldn't feel robbed in those situations?
that Leo vs Asuka one at 2:54 almost gave me an epileptic seizure lmao
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Sidestepping doesn't work sometimes because some strings have magic tracking. I've had similar situations and a lot of players being toxic add up to being able to enjoy the game
And here I am playing Lidia where it feels half my kit will whiff if the planets aren’t aligned, let alone the characters.
Trackken
1:08 That Feng kick was personal
That one kinda makes sense.
even heihachi with little to no tracking has that issue with his ff 1+2 😂
3:19 Lars seems to be on a rampage😂🤦🏻
You know it's a problem when even Lili gets clipped. And she has the best sidestep in the game.
Those moves have crazy big hitboxes lmao.
POV: You just got Tekken 8'ed
the amount of stuff you cant sidestep now that you could in tekken 7 is crazy.
in tekken 7 i would do techroll left into sidestep left against kazuya and it would avoid almost everything.
in tekken 8 doing the same sequence i get clipped by hellsweep and even wr3, its so inexplicably stupid.
Lost to so many matches because of this, characters do be sliding all over the place
I remember sidewalking hwoarangs heat smash, i was already on his back ready to punish and the last hit made a 180 and hit me!
I feel you man. I play Hei as my main and I suffer from tracking disorder.
Fr man...
If those stuff that track almost 360° don't catch us side stepping, most of the times we won't be able to punish properly cause side stepping into the simplest 112 punish won't reach somehow. And somehow even the cameraman is drunk so frequently that we mess up the punish for P2 or P1 side lol 😂
It's so baffling and frustrating. On top of still trying to back dash and get away from the opponent only to still get hit WHILE DOING NOTHING ELSE BUT ONLY HOLDING BACK!
At least we got infinite games on quick matches. Better something than nothing, uh I guess
Ive thought recently about how difficult it must be to program a fighting game. So many attributes and values interacting with one another.
The most frustrating part is that doing Yoshi's D2,2,2 Tornado after specifically a wall blast can mess up completely so the first 2 hits connects, but the third makes you fly through the opponent completely.
happened to me so many times, and that's from like a regular wall splat into blast combo.
2:40 +4 on block infinite range huge damage counterhit launching mid is fair because with just frame sidewalk right you can avoid it
- tekken devs, probably
I recently replayed T6 with my buddies and i was blown away by how good and accurate the hitboxes where and the animations. How did the mess up with tracking and phantom ranges?
@@dannyrpt they had custom engine in T6 and Tag 2
T7 and T8 they shifted to unreal , stage interactions like snow,water + costumes and character models were also unique and better before if you noticed
"Side stepping in t8 is way better than t7."
-Guy that probably never even played t7.
IDK how people can take this game competitively while we have those common interactions every round...
Nice Leona cosplay ~
Is that Carpenter Brut?
**checks out comments**
Yep, it is.
The fun never stops.
THE GAME TITLE IS TEKKEN 7 IM CRYING
good ol Trakken 8 where youre better off just blocking half the game waiting for the guy mashing to get bored
that thing with Lars in the last clip is tech that I do
Tracking 8
I think you should make video similar to this one but about mid crushes in move that doesn't typically have them. thats straight up robbery
Not to mention these are things that happen every match if not every round, and there are people defending them: 'you extended your hurtbox to the size of the entire stage/you needed to sidewalk right, who cares if the move didn't even touched you/it's fair cause this character doesn't usually track' or the opposite if the bug is against you 'it's deserved cause I don't like your character'.
How about fixing things instead of making excuses or justifying them.
Unreal engine 5 working as intended😂
the game should have never even left beta with that quality of tracking
Not gonna lie i think that feng kick was the most absurd one of the video. Smh
The best way to solve this is to uninstall TEKKEN 8, you're welcome 😉
You know what...I'm starting to wonder if so many of these tracking issues are actually due to the camera not knowing which way to turn? Like in so many of these instances there's an interaction that causes the camera to jitter/sway as if it wants switch your character to P2. In some moments you do get swapped to P2 and your whiff punish misses. In other instances you dont get swapped and get clipped by a move that you clearly stepped.
I really think this shit is because of the camera, on top of stupid tracking properties. I hope someone tests this shit.
Shout outs to everyone beta testing this game over the last year
this happens because after sidestepping, you press the button you want to punish wish too soon. The moment you press a button and the animation starts your hitboxes but also your hurtboxes shift which makes it very easy to get clipped by moves. 99% sure that this will happen less the moment you wait half a second longer to press a button :3
forgot to mention that some things reallign with stpd ranges and angles anyways so this doesnt apply to every move lol
Another major component to this is 2nd hit of strings have larger hitboxes to make them more consistent on hit
Ex 00:57 1st and 3rd whiffed but 2nd connected without the character pressing or moving
Azucena df1 string on launch also had this problem, it used to counter hit players behind her.
working as intended???😂😂
As I know this was something from earlier Tekken 7 but was patched for better Tracking or Alignment cause it highly impacted certain characters. It had been there on launch of Tekken 8 so it's either they want it this way or they forgot to include the patch.
King of the iron whiff
I'm not joking this just happened to me a few hours ago. I was side walking against Lily. The first attack wiffed so hard that she was attacking in the wrong directions. i was almost behind her at that point but she continued the string and the 2nd hit me.
Would be better to just remove tracking overall if this is the new norm since launch
Man oh man I'm glad to see I'm not alone in this
i think the system refused to created a whiff
Sometimes either they press when the animation didn't finish or it just the way of the game itself
Like during 1:50 Kazuya second hit DF1F2 actually tracks his right side
Bro i swear sidestepping with reina and wiff punishing with df2 never fucking works in the most crutial momments. U step, it sideswitches randomly, u recognize it and still do the correct imput and it still wiffs in their back?!? Like wtf man...
Git tekkened - Harada
This game been making whiff hella shit lately, as well as making me a magnet to attacks, im on hiatus right now xD
Getting hit by moves after sidewalking and you being behind them is due to pushing a button to early and then expanding your hurtbox that makes you get hit (Well some moves just have stupid tracking tho, like Kings mid screw dive kick , it hits you even tho you are 3feet behind him XD) It looks really wonky and tbh something i hope they change. The constant sidewalling in the open due to minor misalignment is soooo annoying against certain characters aswell.. Tekken 8 still needs some work, it is solid in some regards, but alot of wonk here and there. Not to mention some characters are overly done(No weaknesses), certainly hope Season2 brings some much needed balance work etc
Because AI inside decides when to break the common mechanics
Me as a Bryan player whiffing my sidestep 2-1 because I side step something
T8 working as intended.
You play so many chrs, i try to play alot but after Hwoarang (4 chr i really try to play) ALL OF MY TEKKEN FUNDAMENTALS ARE GONE ;-;
For when you get hit by follow-ups after you step, usually it's because you pressed. I couldn't explain you how it works in detail, but basically pressing makes you vulnerable to moves that should track that much. If you control the replay of theses moments and you do the same thing without pressing, i'm pretty sure none of that would hit.
Tho everything whiffing after stepping a move, yea that's just bullshit lol, and it does happen a lot.
Another reason why people are starting to hate tekken 8 😅
Was this your submission to Phidx for his video
Oh I don't know, what video is he making?
@@IAMOPsubmission of getting hit while side stepping/walking
@@IAMOP
Iirc he said something about sidestep doesn't work because players are not putting enough time into training it if you practice you'll get better at stepping and can avoid most situation
Something like that could be wrong
But yeah sidestep just seem so bad in Tekken 8 some move just track for no absolute reason and at times shit hit you from behind
@@beigemasterI dm'd him on Twitter let's see
@@IAMOP really hopes he sees this, ive seen the same stuff happen a lot to me too
2:54 what the hell just happened 😂
"Tekken 8 is a game who transcends all Generations and Dimensions."
- A Random Subscriber (Me)
180° tracking, and then players will tell ya that you need to visually confirm the whiff and wait out the strings before you press a button to punish, when this 180° tracking shouldn't even be a thing in the first place. 🤣 This is why I literally don't sidewalk or do bigger steps, just do micro steps into block or duck, you will still step linear moves but you will block/duck the moves you need to, no matter if they buffed the stepping if the tracking on the remained the same, you still have to play T7 basically.
Unless I make a hard read, for let's say Bryan's HS(Close range ONLY!!!! Do NOT sidewalk Bryan if you are 10 kilometers away from him), I sidewalk it easily. But during the match I usually don't sidewalk, I wait for a small whiff or an unsafe move and punish that.
10x better than T7 btw.
Whiff punishment needs some work in tekken 8.
That aside, how many characters do you play? Wow
I have like 20 fujins lol
1:50 The second hit of this is known to be completely homing. For some reason it's an intended property of the move.
It needs the dragunov treatment
Lol, t8 has better tracking then t7 it seems(from what i witnessed) but it has added some weird momentum(or more?) to moves on whiff 🤔 that was previously not there(E.g bry d+2) note- opponent has to be in tracking range for "momentum" effects
Two Words… BIG HITBOXES…..
Does this start happening after the latest update?
Nah, not related to patch
It's always been there, I think they even fixed the Bryan d2 in patch 1.10
mofos see me play yoshi and will be like, "just spin bro". spinning out after the damage increase to it feels extra bad when strings just snap on to you anyway. hwo is especially bad. i can never spin out from his strings. EVERYTHNG magically realigns.
Can't take this game seriously. No wonder I dropped it until they fix the unbalanced state of the game
It's Beta 8, what do you expect?
That last clip god damn, we sure do love downplaying Lars don't we ?
I'm sure someone could watch my gameplay and tell me sidestep left, but Lars is gonna have his way with me every time. I have no idea what is even happening.
THIS...this make t8 worse than t7 imo
Welcome to my life. Lol.
And it happens with all the characters
HARADAAAAAAAA
listen here and listen good, this much Tekken 8 is not good for health!
Like how can anyone look at the clip from 2:50 and say that sidestepping isnt broken in this game? This is clear as day to me a combination of moves having TOO MUCH tracking and the CAMERA system, particularly AT THE WALL, not knowing wtf its doing.
Look at Bryan. First the F3 tracks way more than it should, probably BECAUSE they are at the wall. The Lee trying to step makes the camera swing INTO the wall. This turns the Bryan causing the F3 to track more. At the end the Bryan is backturned. WHY?
Because the fucking game logic is saying that Bryan should still be on P2 side, but the tracking/camera swung him to P1 side. This game is FUCKING BROKEN YALL. Waiting for that PHiDx video showing why Sidestepping is great in this game. What a joke.
ShillDX will say "erm you made a mistake because you pressed 🤓"
I can describe at least some of these.
Strings often track at least a little, especially between hits. This makes some sense because you wouldn’t want a string to fail on hit because the opponent was 2 degrees off axis at the start of the string. It can get silly though for ones that track super well and are like a heat seeking missile.
The second clip was a face to wall situation and those are just always mega jank. Probably to avoid weird wall infinites or traps, the defender kinda bounces off and moves to the side.
For some of these it’s a result of how Tekken handles hitboxes. I’m 99% sure the game doesn’t care which part of your body was hit, just that it was hit at all. So an uppercut to the tip of an outstretched hand will launch just as well as an uppercut to the chin. You see this sometimes when testing move ranges vs Heihachi who keeps a hand out in his idle stance, vs Claudio who keeps his hands by his side in his idle stance.
Some of this is trying to hit a moving target. However the game detects the opponents position, at some point during the startup of a move the game stops turning you to face your opponent and you start doing the move in the direction you’re pointing. If the opponent keeps moving (either from sidestepping or because they’re moving forward from whiffing some move they’re doing) they’re off the line of attack. In the fourth clip Law is sailing past with a flying kick which probably moves way faster than a sidestep could, and Claudio whiffs the hopkick (especially because hopkicks don’t track to the left and Law was moving left at the time).
Tldr Tekken uses 2D hitboxes it's why they have bigger hitboxes than one would expect. It's not like Mortal Kombat where hitboxes/hurtboxes are tied to the actual 3D model
@ Yeah I remember seeing some utility for Tekken 7 that showed attack hitboxes are actually just lines, while character hurtboxes are a bunch of cylinders. I assume it hasn’t changed between T7 and T8.
Trakken 8
because tekken is poorly programmed
Tekken 8 is a joke
W Furi enjoyer
I regret buying this one. Cant play offline at all?
@@ClayvionWhite you can vs and story offline though?
@IAMOP thanks man. I just had trouble getting the game to start after my plus membership got cancelled
Trash game programmers
Tekken 8 is trash. That's why
This is why I quit the game
Damn, u garbage with alot of characters
Ironically the whiffs make sense. It's just a natural consequence of having actual sidesteps BUT those tracking strings are so stupid
Why? cuz the ggame sucks, tyty
These the shits that made me uninstall the game
They need to fix it because in the other game.The track and over there was wasn't so bad.He was able to step certain moves and no one a move is about to hit you.When you try to stop it, you know?The tracking on it this game here.They say you can stop certain moves.But the tracking on this game is insane and you will still get hit.That is not good
I like tekken 8, but yeah they gotta fix all this. I might be wrong but the way I see it, there are 2 problems:
- the body have unnecessary active hitboxes when using some moves that catches 0 range like homing
- the inconsistent realligning of the character, where moves just sometime tracks and sometime doesnt, and sometime fails to immediately face or follow the opponent straight after sidesteps. Its all janky
Hope future seasons fix these problems.