Terrance calls Michael out for saving that Kyle info for the most opportune time. Then when he is on the block he tries to make an alliance based on race with Taylor when we know he does not like her. How is he any better?
Not sure he is, they both should be held accountable and should take their lumps for it, I mean Michael was using the fact that he and Turner are LGBTQ at the end to try to stay, none of it is really ok in my opinion
@@ryankelly1826 not defending Michael but Turner did tell Michael he would not send another member of LGBTQ home. So that did not come out of thin air.
Thank you Cody for bringing up the state of Big Brother with regard to matters of race in the game and where do we draw the line. I couldn't agree more with the points you stated, however I have an opinion on where or rather, how that line can actually be drawn. All praise to Taylor for showing the line per se by choosing to go with her strategy vs trying to form a "black" alliance just to save Terrance, which show's how horribly desperate of a game he's been playing the entire time. Here's the issue as I see it and I don't think it started with the CO or that the CO was even the problem. The CO was a symptom of a problem that's always been part of the game. Since the beginning there has been an uneven ratio of white to non-white players. Amidst all the various evolutions of game, how it's played, powers introduced, twists, etc., the ratio aspect of the game remained constant and unchanged. There have even been more than a few seasons where there were no minority players. It's taken 21 years before we were presented with a cast evenly balanced white to non-white players. So when you bring together so many non-white players, honestly, the CO was an inevitability. History has shown, the players who looked different from the majority of the house were usually the first to be targeted, whether it be a difference of race, age or even sexuality. That begs the question, where would the BBUS community be now, had CBS committed to a balanced ratio years ago? Where would we be as an audience and players? I do believe had this been the standard set years before now, audience & players alike would not only be accustomed to that landscape, but would possibly be way more apt to view players simply as players, not black, not white, not age or sexuality. I believe there would be a maturity on this part of the game, that to this point, this US BB community has not yet attained. That it's taken this long to be integrated into the game, is why we are seeing the growing pains of getting to that place. It shouldn't be lauded that a black player decides that just because we are the same race does not mean we by default work together, or a white player doesn't automatically assume that is the case. The CO was more than likely a one-time-never-to-be-duplicated effect in the game that shouldn't be considered or feared that that's the way it always will be. CBS fed fans for years this lopsided balancing which became so normalized, that now that they've taken the steps to rectify that, we have to go through the pains of growth and maturity as a community to get to the point where players are just players. That is when the line you stated, will be real in the game. It won't be quick or easy but it is possible.
agreed. Big brother is a mirror of the outside society. Discrimination continues to have systemic and individual racism, sexism, heterosexism, ageism, ableism, xenophobia etc. Therefore, these social attributed become a part of these players identities because for so long it has been discriminated against. The more diversity and inclusion as well as social justice is normalized, the more these identities will have less of an influence, especially in the game. Big brother still has work to do in regard to diversity and inclusion. Increase the age diversity, add more balanced racial diversity, there's more than just black and white people, some gender diversity, maybe a trans or non-binary player, body size, abilities/disabilties, deaf people/ high functioning Autism like Ian, people from different countries like Indy. Whyyy???? To mirror what the US looks like as a whole, and to also allow representation for Americans as a whole. Similar to what the Olympics does. But yes the line of where race can and can not be used.. is quite blurry at this moment. But a lot of that is due to the dominant colorblind ideology- especially amongst white people... where they prefer to "not see color". This makes them less adept to having complex conversations about race.
Totally align with your assessment. BB has reached a point of reconning with their history of racial inequity and discrimination. How do we move forward? Just as it played out in BB24. The choices Kyle, Michael and Brittany made, reveal conscious and unconscious bias, microaggressions and the like AND their decisive game plays. There are consequences and life lessons associated with their choices. Let the games PLAY on...
😂For once, Brittany could have saved Michael’s game if he had taken her advice to put Turner up. And Brittany’s shocked expression when Michael called her out??😂😂 She was blabbing all over the place!
I would love to see BB change the game. Have 2 secret BB Houses they merge when they get down to 9 and restart the game with double and triple evictions. I think it would bring new life to the game.
Start with one house, then split them up a week or two into it, but have players move back and forth between the two separate houses based on luck (pandora's box, etc.) and competitions. Then merge them towards the end like you said.
I love the hit list, even when it’s “in shambles” ;) Love y’all’s input on strategy. Last night’s ep was wild there at the end. Can’t wait to see the interview with Michael!
Asking where do we draw the line is an interesting question. It would have been nice if someone asked that question during BB15 when Aaryn, Ginamarie and Amanda were making so many bigoted, racist, and homophobic remarks towards the other castmates while targeting them week after week, mainly Candice. Their bullying was very difficult to watch and I had to eventually turn off that season. And by the way, that's just one BB example, there were other seasons. No one did anything then, there wasn't a pondering question of concern or collective outrage, as I don't expect a person who is not affected by such behavior will be able to see it or even really care- until it happens to them. That's why a Cookout was formed, to show what it looks like when you dominate and eliminate based on race. Not fair is it? But, one notable difference that the cookout had is that they didn't name call, belittle or intimidate other castmates to get them out. So it's not quite the same. It was their strategy to finally bring the outsiders in the game - for better or worse. Where we draw the line you ask? Well, until the game is fair and integral to all, the lines will continue to blur and we won't know.
I think cookouts goal of having the 1st back winner on BB made no sense. Considering it already happened on Celebrity BB S2. Like it was unanimous too. Does it really not count bc it’s celebrities? Makes no sense to me. People seem to overlook that & act like the cookout accomplished this 1st. When that’s simply not true. Yes celebrity BB & regular BB is a little different, but they’re still the same game. They should just eject racist like they did on BB Canada with Kyle. I believe they don’t eject HG on BB US bc people usually watch the show for the drama on BB. like Celebrity BB UK has ejected celebrities who’ve said racist & homophobic things. It’s like other BB have stricter rules. There should be a line on the BB US show, but they don’t care. I mean they do eject you if you put your hands on someone or break their rules repeatedly, but that’s it. Which is something they should obviously do anyways.
@@ventustbb3229 The fact that you think that the Cookout's goal made no sense further proves my point. And we'll just have to agree to disagree that there is little difference between regular BB and celebrity BB. However, I do agree with you that BB US needs to take more of a stand against reprehensible behavior of any kind (i.e. Dick Donato pouring tea on Jen's head in BB8, amongst the other terrible things he did, and then later winning the game). If they started to have stricter rules and higher standards that would definitely be a step in the right direction. But if what they value most is the highest ratings possible, that probably won't happen.
@@Cappacinoo1 I’m saying It makes no sense bc it already happened therefore they aren’t making history & their goal was already achieved. My point is you can’t make an alliance & claim that’s your goal when it already happened. Which is why I believe that. Celebrity BB S2 took place 2 years beforehand. So celebrating the cookout & acting like Celebrity BB S2 never happened really annoys me tbh. I’m not hating on them or saying I didn’t like them. I’m just saying it was unnecessary to claim that’s their goal when it already happened. Maybe they didn’t see that season 🤷🏻♂️ I believe they value the ratings more. Considering that’s what gets them the viewers to renew the series for more seasons.
@@Cappacinoo1 We can agree to disagree on Celebrity BB however I do agree with everything else you said in your original comment. I just don’t like how the Celebrity BB victory was minimized & overlooked like it didn’t matter at all.
11:11 When is it not a good time to use divisive issues that can bind? I think the game has ALWAYS been that way. In earlier seasons, men "ran" the house. Then all-female alliances were formed. Not enough POC winners? They band together. There is nothing inherently wrong with who you gravitate towards and choose to push forward with, I think it's the HOW you do so and WHAT you say. This is why, as messed up as the Kyle situation was, I'm STILL more upset with Michael regarding it.
However love, you’re commenting under Cody’s video. And he never chose to defend Davonne or show her grace and mercy when she was put up on the block with her other black friend. Bare in mind, they didn’t win a thing. Like a thing! She had bigger threats she could have gone for. Did Cody say anything?? Atleast Michael spoke up. They would have been keeping Kyle in the house and he would have continued to go after poc. He was the one who offered up Ameerah, then Joseph, then Monte or Taylor… do you see a pattern??? Michael didn’t want any parts of tbag.
@@Nottachiminsight did Kyle offer up Ameerah? Oh I'm gonna have to go back, I could stand corrected. What I will say is Jasmine echoed my sentiments straight up. I never even liked her but she and I were seeing each other when she was talking in the jury house this week about the whole thing. Regarding Cody, yeah I didn't love his game play either. Which is why I'm saying when was race, gender class NOT a factor in this show?
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiish, Michael was hotter than fish grease! He begged and said Turner was using LGBTQ for leverage. If he thinks that, didn’t he do the same with that 2 week information? 🤷🏽♀️
Turner told him before that he would not put an LGBT player on the block which is why Michael said that. He was bringing up something that Turner already said.
No one’s excusing Terrance suddenly wanting to use race when he’s in the block Same backlash happened to Ameerah when she was pulling the same BS The CO was made so no one in the future would ever have to do it again
It was a bad way to go out. Nothing he could say or do would get any votes. He showed his true colors. It wasn't game, everything he said and did on his way out was the type of person he was, classless and soulless.
@@brookcty Iconic? Oh, come on. He went out like a petty little bitch. Maybe if he turned to Brittany and hugged her saying it was just for the game and said goodbye to people he'd been working with and appreciated the good game move it would have been better. He was too much of a coward to make a big move while he was winning and couldn't accept good gameplay. He was great at comps and terrible at everything else. Didn't deserve to win.
I watched the three seasons between you guys and well deserved wins to you both. I absolutely love you guy's outtakes on the episodes because you're fair and impartial. The last few seasons with the exception of last season has been toxic to watch so its refreshing to get you guy's perspective. Keep up the great work 👍
Turner has said things on the lives, but so has Monte. He was dragging Taylor WITH Terrance. He was doing the same crap weeks 1 and 2 that everyone else was and talking so much crap on Taylor and saying some really ruthless things. So if we’re gonna talk about things Turner has said, we gotta talk about Monte too. I don’t think Michael turning on britt says anything about the race situation, that’s ridiculous to me. He’s not just gonna throw his game away without trying, and he was frustrated on lives with things she was saying too because she was tanking her own game. And he was so closely associated with her that it looked bad on him as well. Michael was beginning to try to separate himself from her, so I don’t think that has anything to do with “proving” he used the race card. But like… again, no one is mad at Terrance for pulling the race card, it’s so frustrating to me. Everyone is literally acting like Michael is worse than Kyle and it’s just like… come on. I think he should’ve brought it up originally, yes, but people are putting much more on him than needbe and it is to a point where he’s being talked about for it more than Kyle. And if we’re gonna talk about throwing people under the bus like Michael did with Brittney, again, we gotta talk about what Dan did to Danielle not once but twice. I just feel like things now are so hypocritical.
Love your thoughts on diversity in the game, and hopefully in the future we'll just see people playing for strategic reasons and not race or other social factors
@@watercreamspalace on the show maybe, but that certainly hasn't been the case on the feeds. Taylor said she was inspired to apply for the show in the first place by the cookout. Taylor talked about colorism early on. Several contestants expressed a desire to see a black woman win. Taylor didn't want to target Jasmine because she didn't want to attack another black woman. I can go on...
@@havok6280 Ok the examples you have said are just the contestants talking about their race and experiences, only one of those statements ACTUALLY affected the game. Which was Taylor not putting Jasmine on the block. The rest literally were just conversations. Considering the Leftovers is a diverse alliance with majority of the alliance being white, I don’t see how race was an issue this season.
@@dannyt7269 I don't think he was truly bitter because as soon as he sat out with Julie his attitude was fine, he did that because it's Big Brother, he wanted to go out iconically. He was not bitter
With Terrence, he targeted and spoke terribly to her (Taylor). Anyone with eyes could see NO ONE of color or otherwise was working with Taylor initially. So sorry. That killed Kyle's argument
Live feeders know Monte and Turner were not going to target Mike until TAYLOR kept pushing it to Monte who finally talked to Turner to align. Monte was just like Turner a day before DE. TAYLOR convinced MONTE. Would have been so dumb if they didn't 😂 wish those convos made the show edit
Lmao thats a lie and I like Taylor. Monte has been wanting to get Michael out for a month. He also said if the opportunity presented itself he was taking the shot.
@@THENYNE You clearly don’t watch the feeds lmfao monte and Turner were definitely going to stick to that gentleman’s agreement. You’re loud and wrong here buddy lmao
Monte was going to target Michael. Then we they made the gentleman agreement because they are scared of girls alliance. Once Brit blew that up. It was Taylor who helped monte realize that the reason they were not targeting Michael didn’t exist anymore
Great video. Can yall share some insight on why CBS/BB doesn't do a reunion show or post season recap? As fans it'd be great to hear what players think/feel after they've had a moment to process.
Can we also acknowledge that Brittany might have just been loyal to Michael because he was carrying her, she was quick to run her mouth at the end the throw him under the bus but then cried to say it was to see who was targeting him. She knew without Michael she isn't lasting long.
I love the way Cody broke down how the mind works when you're under pressure, and the way you need to prepare yourself for any scenario...Imagine living your life like that very single day of your life...that's exactly how my mind works daily, and its exhausting...
Michael's speech would have totally misted me. The fact he came up with it on the fly and didn't even stutter.. I was amazed. His exit was pretty funny, too. Kind of bummed he is gone, I feel like the main character has died lol. Deep down, I knew his days were numbered unless he won every single comp pretty much.
Taylor is the person who got monte to target Michael. She proved the girls alliance was vs by telling him about it and she pushed for him to think about targeting mike
That clip with Kyle and Michael talking is pretty revealing. Not only did he not shoot down Kyle's thought but in fact said he had similar thoughts himself. Personally, after the way last season played out I don't understand why someone should be hung out to dry for thinking that there's possibilities of some type of unspoken race based alliance that could be secretly happening behind the scenes, especially with Taylor continually talking about how she couldn't put another black woman on the block.
They hit it on the head in this video I think, Michael would have used anything to win, I mean isn't Turner part of the LGBT community to begin with. His exit was epic though, as bratty as he was.
He definitely didn’t think about it in that way until he spoke in depth to Brittany and then they compared notes moving forward. It got to be tooooo much for them to hold
Glad that you showed the video of Michael and Kyle for those naysayers. Michael truly looks like such a fake slime ball. He left the house looking like a classless big baby and poor sport. Way to go Michael! No respect here.
I 100% want Monte to win. I don’t think Taylor should win she was carried because of how she was treated the first week. Turner would be okay. But I’m Monte all the way! Michael’s speech was great. It’s what he did to Kyle that makes me dislike him. I think anything goes but I would have a conversation with those closest to me that may be used to get me further in the game. I wouldn’t want people to be surprised. And FYI Turner’s name is Matthew
Turner is the one that approached Michael about not voting each other out because they should stick together. That was actually Turner's pitch to Michael
It's one thing to pull out 'all' the stops to win- it's a game. But it's another to use a persons observations about 'what could be happening' with alliances being made in the game and amping up already racially divided tensions in this country for personal gain. That's not strategy. That's flat out ruthlessness. Zero respect. Zero! The POC saw it for what it was.
What I found so entertaining is that Michael knew right away that he is going up when Montee won. He saw him asked, he got the answer, he didn't even campaign. He ran to the girls who are voting to campaign.
LET IT RUN!!! This is real life America!!! LET IT RUN!!!! stop influencing the house guests and let these scenarios run because that's the most interesting thing about Big Brother it's a glimpse of America. It makes sense that it's different because the cast isn't 90% white anymore.
@@johnjungkook2721 No, it reflects different parts of America not just white bread America. I'm from the south and I grew up in areas that are predominantly Black and Brown. My culture is Gullah/Geechee which you probably never heard of because you don't know all of America lmao. That was Kyle's problem too. America is a big country.
Last night was insane! I wasn’t 100% sure Michael would be evicted, but the second Monte won veto, I knew Michael would be going up. Monte went from riding that power high to almost fainting before he took down Alyssa. Turner said, “I have to open up first place,” and that was succinct. Not mincing words.
Michael had a Dr. Jekyll/ Mr. Hyde moment last night. He didn't care if Brittany was sitting next to him on the block, he lit her up like a Roman candle.
So tea is Taylor put the idea back into their heads which is why Monte felt confident to push. So this move was part Taylor/Turner/Monte. But I like to give Taylor some cred bc she didn’t touch the block and did some great work last week. Nothing flashy but just enough to take some credit for it
@@mackin66 everybody had been talking about taking the shot, but after the gentlemans agreement was made they had switched up. Taylor put them back on track a couple of days before the DE
It was NOT racist what Kyle did and said. I Dont think so at all! And I'm a Black Woman! Nor do I think Kyle is racist at all. I'm not understanding why people are trying to make this a race thing. Just because he thought the minorities were playing together. This is sad how people blew this up in a racist way.
@@johnjungkook2721 he had no reason why he would think they would work together. It was an unconscious bias. At least have proof. Imagine if they took out all the poc because THEY THOUGHT another cookout was forming. How is that fair to them. It may not be called racist but it's still an unconscious racial bias. Which is still bad.
I had to rewind Michael’s speech throwing Brittany under the bus like that and seeing her reaction. Very satisfying. She was riding Michael’s coattails. I hope she’s next to go
The first nail in Michael’s coffin was not going through the door first on the first day. That put him on Daniels radar which put him on the block first and made him feel like he had to win as much as possible
I adore both of you. I love when I'm able to catch your pod. It's great! You've definitely opened my eyes on the timeline with the Michael-Kyle situation, as I was not open at all to the criticism I'd seen. HOWEVER, you guys know- what's said in there & sitting there agreeing, is 95% BS in that house. So, I'm disregarding the video proof you guys showed here (new footage). The deal is, you have to make sure 1000% that you know FOR SURE when a comment(s) are racially charged before pointing fingers. It took Kyle saying it multiple times, for Michael & Brittany to be able to say FOR SURE it was. That's a HUGE accusation & it's national TV. Still adore you both.. Cody looks even better today than when he played. SO CUTE! Wishing you both all the best. Keep doing what you're doing. xo's
Thank you 🙏🏾 It’s annoying that people are forgetting that brittney and Michael told Kyle that the black ppl are not working together and he talked about Terrance and Jasmine wanting Monte out. And Kyle continued in fact he got even more aggressive. And I think Michael just didn’t want any parts of that narrative
@@Nottachiminsight I agree completely! For the most part, Michael kept to himself. He didn't even know how to approach the subject. I hate that people are forgetting who said it & what was said. It's insane to me!
The clip you showed was from the first time Kyle mentioned his Cookout 2.0 discussions during Michael's HOH. However, Kyle went even harder during Taylor's HOH. Also, he discussed it with Alyssa too, however she hasn't admitted it. As for Terrance, he was just trying to stay in the game. He tried to get Monte and/or Taylor evicted the whole game. It was only after Kyle left did Terrance suddenly want to "bond" with Monte and than when he realized he could stay with 3 votes, he started sweet talking Taylor hoping she would vote for him and encourage Brittney to vote for him. If Terrance had stayed, he would have been campaigning to get rid of Taylor.
The point is the timing of Michael's choice to divulge this info and his answer in this clip to Kyle! He was asked by Kyle if he was over thinking this cook out 2.0 theory! All Michael had to say if he really believed Kyle was being racist in any way was say Yes you are wrong in your thinking! He didn't say it the first nor this second time when asked but felt the same he said!. Ef Michael.Glad he's out! Welcome to jury.
@@sallyl5071 GUYS FOR DEAR FREAKING LIFE, the issue is that Kyle USED MICRO AGGRESSIONS to get people to turn against the people of color! Both MICHAEL AND BRITTNEY told Kyle to freaking STOP. And that Jasmine and Terrance came to him asking for him to back door MONTE. Which was proof that the people of color were not working together. Michael was not only friends with Kyle he was also an ally. Everyone knows the repercussions about saying someone was a racist. And so he warned and told him to stop. Michael talked about an all white alliance making him uncomfortable when Kyle originally said it. So did Britney and she too warned him, BECAUSE THEY WERE FRIENDS. And when Michael found out Kyle was trying to backdoor him, (after he was an ally and friend to him) he asked why tf would he be protecting someone who doesn’t show him loyalty? Plus both his allies Taylor and Britney were on the block and he took Britney off meaning Taylor was going to leave who he was loyal to. So he threw comments out. Plz let’s act like Big Brother isn’t about leveraging things they heard or found out. HE WAS STILL PLAYING BB. Oh let’s not forget that Kyle made the first move at the leftovers and took out a POC, his second move was going to be at another POC from the leftovers. He wanted NO PARTS IN THAT NARRATIVE and I don’t blame him. Also him going to Turner and telling him putting Monte up would be a mistake bc Kyle wanted to take out the POC was also him being a slight friend. And that’s why he felt guilty putting up Turner!!! He made Turner do the right thing so he had to honor his promise. Knowing that GAME WISE Turner would have been the best person to backdoor. So he wasn’t all about game. Clearly.
In Kyle's defense, when Taylor said she couldn't put a black woman up, it would make me wonder. Remember the cookout had a person outside the cookout for cover!
If Michael had put Turner on the block and Terrance stayed. Michael still would of gone home. Monte was close to winning the HOH and I think Terrance would of done well on that as well.
I totally agree. In fact, I think the final six HOH was the one challenge Terrence might have actually won. I am saying this based on how well Terrence did in the HOH challenge leading into the divided house week. Terrence is certainly not as physically fit as the younger contestants, but he is very smart and mentally quick.
This whole race issue is annoying. Kyle did that and said worst. Michael & Britt held onto and it’s not right but it’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t. Terrance went against every black person in that house. Then to use it to gaslight them it’s makes no sense. Turner is also performative as well.
Please fully verify information before sharing it. Michael mentioned that comment to Turner because TURNER approached Michael last week, and promised Michael, unprompted, that he (Turner) would not put Michael up because he didn’t want to send a member of the LGBTQ+ community home. Michael was calling Turner out on his lie and sneakiness.
Turner is the one that brought up the LGBTQ+ stuff in either Michael’s HOH unprompted he said that to michael and only one that brought it up that’s why Michael said that
Another thing I want to know, is if Michael will tell Jasmine he threw that pie comp to her-adding yet another win for him. But to see her reaction to the fact that she actually didn’t win on her own… omg 😄
@@elikeplinger5865 It was weak, but he Kyle said “It seemed like you guys were on board with that plan though”. Terrance at some point talking to one of the other hg’s starts piecing things together and says something that he believes Kyle is telling the truth about thinking M/B agreed with him. It’s possible that more is said that they don’t show but he at least tried to defend himself. At that point I think he’s trying not to be argumentative.
Love you guys! I have been watching you every week and finally got off my butt and subscribed and hit that notification bell. The reason it took me so long - I watch you on my tv and can't like, subscribe or comment on tv (at least that I have found). By the time I get on my computer - I forget until the next week. lol Sorry guys. But I'm finally there now!
Karma bit him in the butt! His mantrum was priceless. That Godfather mentality was getting harder to watch every week. Glad he's gone. Team Monte all the way!
Omg Brittany and Michael are right where they should have been weeks ago and to see how upset Michael was was amazing to watch some karma come back around. & then his rampage about Brittany was hilarious and her face through out it all was just priceless. She literally got this far by just riding the coat tails of anyone and I think these two finally got what’s coming to them and it was probably best karma serving episode this season and I was just eating popcorn and laughing and smiling the whole time. After them holding onto the info about Kyle and using it as a strategic card in the game they both deserve to go and not win this money and was so exciting watching them sweat the decision. After these two next needs to be Alyssa she’s also just rode the coat tails of not only Kyle but anyone she could and she’s not a good player , physically or socially and she should have been out long time ago,!
Let me first so guys I’m a fan of the show And a fan of both of you. The podcast is great. Keep up the good work. I’m a black woman who has watched every season of big brother and I have felt that the POC representation on the show has always been lacking and on several occasions when there were POC they were treated terribly that I understand completely why the cookout was established. With that said I KNEW The ramifications of that was possibly going to change the game in a way that fans and some alum Wouldn’t like. It’s disappointing to me that some people still don’t understand the cookout purpose especially after watching Awful things that transpired in BB21 and BB15 But again I do acknowledge how moving forward biases or the suspicion of biases have become a front runner on the show. I don’t think that’s what the cookout intended. I think they just wanted a fair playing field And even representation which were never really there prior to BB23.
Thanks Cody for that question of when is it appropriate and when is it not. When Terrance brought that up I thought the same thing. The answer: 🤷🏾♂️ I felt similarly. It just seems to fight against the points many made about the situation. Let me say I’m not the most aware or educated about these issues yet I did feel it was leaning towards hypocritical but what do I know.
If you are going to watch just one Big Brother podcast the Winners Circle with both Derrick & Cody on it is the one to watch. They provide the most accurate, fairest and most free of bias account of what is going on in the Big Brother house.
COME ON GUYS!!!! Spoiler Alert 🚨 Please stop revealing the show in the title!! I just got a chance to watch Friday and since I love your podcast it always pops up on my UA-cam feeds, I try to avoid but I always get spoiled 😩
Cody I am so glad you brought up the "where is the line?". I cheered when Turner won the hoh. But when he didnt put up Michael i was cursin at the tv. When Michael almost won I was deflated. Then when Monty won and came in and told Alyssa she was coming down I was cheering again. But YES.. ha ha ha Turner is no longer who i want to win. Monty pulled the trigger on the BIG move this season and has my vote for win.
You know my favorite thing was the Double HOH Twist. The one thing that bummed me out was that one got the house and all the perks while the other felt more like a "Have nots" punishment. I get Terrance was the second HOH since Michael won but why treat it like a punishment rather than an HOH win?
I was also so incredibly disappointed that Michael tried to use the lgbtq card to make turner feel guilty and told monte not to put him up there that he would keep him safe it’s just all empty promises that you can’t guarantee or necessary keep . Shame on Terrance for using the race card and the jury vote to try and stay like Jesus I know it’s a game but those things should be off limits and cards you just don’t play. It’s tacky and makes you look desperate and look weak.
Amen to you guys bringing up when we draw the line on bringing social issues into the game. From the cookout, to Kyle, to Terrence, and now Michael pleading to Turner. Everyone was quick to jump on Kyle and say he’s wrong, but some of these other circumstances get swept under the rug, cause it doesn’t fit the world narrative.
Race has always played a role in BB. It was just historically used against black people i.e. white alliances teaming up against them until the CO were created (the first season where they had actual diverse enough casting for something like this to happen). Now everyone wants to complain about race being a part of the game, but it was there when multiple people in BB15 were throwing racial slurs directly in the face of black houseguest, in bb11 when braden called kevin multiple racist and derogatory terms, and all the many microagreesions from white houseguest directed at black houseguests over the years.I understand it can be frustrating to see players factor this into their game, but due to the current culture outside of the house and precedent from all 24 seasons, it will always play a role.
It’s hard to judge on the clip because in the same clip he lied about ever saying it to anyone so who is to say he isn’t lying to placate Kyle & make him feel Comforted so he continues spilling more to him. Literally page 1 in BB handbook is nod and agree to everything to not show your cards. Michael is a gamer first and he showed it again to Brittany on his way out. But regarding the lgbt comment he was calling out Turner who had said he didn’t want to nom someone from the lgbt community similar to Taylor not nomming a black woman. Turner started saying he didn’t want to do it and Michael was like, bullsh*t
this is what I said. you have to entertain all bs coming from anyone even if you don’t agree with it strategy/morally or otherwise. they told him multiple times Brit especially that “ITS NOT RIGHT” but where are those clips? and 100% Turner used the lgbt card to save his own ass not the other way around. I don’t blame Michael for being pissed. And dj blowtime can fly a kite with his “family reunion” so problematic.
Off topic, but will you guys be covering Survivor this upcoming season? I know you said you didn’t cover season 42 because of the feedback from covering 41 (which I think is dumb viewers did that, I found you guys working through the season together very refreshing and enjoyable seeing a more casual perspective and that’s just simply gate-keeping) with you guys adding Tiffany as a regular I didn’t know if you had any plans to add a former survivor or give it another shot. Love the content!
The only thing this season has proved and we witnessed live was a guy get canceled in real time for absolutely no reason. It will keep happening unless the candy ass people start sticking up for them selfs
I wonder if this is the last season, will CBS decide all the social issues are too much of a headache for them to deal with? Social media is not going away and too many ppl are applying just to be famous (Taylor) or get followers for the money offered by youtube and tictoc!!!!!
I said this on the last episode with Derrick and Cody and I’ll say it again; I don’t like that Cody says he doesn’t think Kyle‘s actions were racist. As a person of color, I feel that Kyle’s actions were rooted in racism. You can make it sound pretty by saying he has certain biases or prejudices, but for me its racism. Especially when Kyle even said hisself that his grandma was racist.
It was stupid as fuck cause it was pretty obvious that there wasnt any alliance btw them but why do you think he made that point ?? Maybe because the "best" alliance of all season was only based on skin color, happend last year so very easy to think of and the cast since last season is way more diversed than before ? Kyle saying that his grandma was racist making racist now..... you really gotta grow my friend, twitter is not the real life :)
Great job finally addressing Michael concurring on a cookout 2.0 possibility. Kyle was persecuted but is genuine in his want to learn from. It possibly cost Kyle & Alyssa love, that remains to be seen. Not right at all for CBS to not air that
Terrance calls Michael out for saving that Kyle info for the most opportune time. Then when he is on the block he tries to make an alliance based on race with Taylor when we know he does not like her. How is he any better?
Not sure he is, they both should be held accountable and should take their lumps for it, I mean Michael was using the fact that he and Turner are LGBTQ at the end to try to stay, none of it is really ok in my opinion
@@ryankelly1826 not defending Michael but Turner did tell Michael he would not send another member of LGBTQ home. So that did not come out of thin air.
@@shanj4540 true, I still just don’t think it’s something you use as a last second plea to try to stay but yes he did say that your right
AND he told Julie that he hopes Taylor follows him out. No sense.
Thank you Cody for bringing up the state of Big Brother with regard to matters of race in the game and where do we draw the line. I couldn't agree more with the points you stated, however I have an opinion on where or rather, how that line can actually be drawn. All praise to Taylor for showing the line per se by choosing to go with her strategy vs trying to form a "black" alliance just to save Terrance, which show's how horribly desperate of a game he's been playing the entire time.
Here's the issue as I see it and I don't think it started with the CO or that the CO was even the problem. The CO was a symptom of a problem that's always been part of the game. Since the beginning there has been an uneven ratio of white to non-white players. Amidst all the various evolutions of game, how it's played, powers introduced, twists, etc., the ratio aspect of the game remained constant and unchanged. There have even been more than a few seasons where there were no minority players. It's taken 21 years before we were presented with a cast evenly balanced white to non-white players. So when you bring together so many non-white players, honestly, the CO was an inevitability. History has shown, the players who looked different from the majority of the house were usually the first to be targeted, whether it be a difference of race, age or even sexuality. That begs the question, where would the BBUS community be now, had CBS committed to a balanced ratio years ago? Where would we be as an audience and players? I do believe had this been the standard set years before now, audience & players alike would not only be accustomed to that landscape, but would possibly be way more apt to view players simply as players, not black, not white, not age or sexuality. I believe there would be a maturity on this part of the game, that to this point, this US BB community has not yet attained. That it's taken this long to be integrated into the game, is why we are seeing the growing pains of getting to that place. It shouldn't be lauded that a black player decides that just because we are the same race does not mean we by default work together, or a white player doesn't automatically assume that is the case. The CO was more than likely a one-time-never-to-be-duplicated effect in the game that shouldn't be considered or feared that that's the way it always will be. CBS fed fans for years this lopsided balancing which became so normalized, that now that they've taken the steps to rectify that, we have to go through the pains of growth and maturity as a community to get to the point where players are just players. That is when the line you stated, will be real in the game. It won't be quick or easy but it is possible.
agreed. Big brother is a mirror of the outside society. Discrimination continues to have systemic and individual racism, sexism, heterosexism, ageism, ableism, xenophobia etc. Therefore, these social attributed become a part of these players identities because for so long it has been discriminated against. The more diversity and inclusion as well as social justice is normalized, the more these identities will have less of an influence, especially in the game.
Big brother still has work to do in regard to diversity and inclusion. Increase the age diversity, add more balanced racial diversity, there's more than just black and white people, some gender diversity, maybe a trans or non-binary player, body size, abilities/disabilties, deaf people/ high functioning Autism like Ian, people from different countries like Indy.
Whyyy???? To mirror what the US looks like as a whole, and to also allow representation for Americans as a whole. Similar to what the Olympics does.
But yes the line of where race can and can not be used.. is quite blurry at this moment. But a lot of that is due to the dominant colorblind ideology- especially amongst white people... where they prefer to "not see color". This makes them less adept to having complex conversations about race.
WELL SAID
Totally align with your assessment. BB has reached a point of reconning with their history of racial inequity and discrimination. How do we move forward? Just as it played out in BB24. The choices Kyle, Michael and Brittany made, reveal conscious and unconscious bias, microaggressions and the like AND their decisive game plays. There are consequences and life lessons associated with their choices. Let the games PLAY on...
Amen!!
I totally agree…well said. I have been saying the same thing here in Detroit.
😂For once, Brittany could have saved Michael’s game if he had taken her advice to put Turner up. And Brittany’s shocked expression when Michael called her out??😂😂 She was blabbing all over the place!
That moment was hilarious! I had to go back and watch cause I was laughing so hard.
@@leeparks15 And the crying to the rest of the group…she was so hurt!!😂
Her face dropped to the floor😱
It was the moment when he sat back down and she looks at him and is just like “..Michael.. 😦” I was ON THE FLOOR 😭😂😂😂🤣
@@nadinetownsend590 GIRL!!! 😂😂😂😂
I would love to see BB change the game. Have 2 secret BB Houses they merge when they get down to 9 and restart the game with double and triple evictions. I think it would bring new life to the game.
Like this idea a lot
That would be kind of like Tribes on Survivor, then they merge.
My head just exploded that would increase the shot of getting great personalities and new strategy
Start with one house, then split them up a week or two into it, but have players move back and forth between the two separate houses based on luck (pandora's box, etc.) and competitions. Then merge them towards the end like you said.
That sounds stupid. If you think the game is stale, don’t watch.
I love the hit list, even when it’s “in shambles” ;) Love y’all’s input on strategy. Last night’s ep was wild there at the end. Can’t wait to see the interview with Michael!
Asking where do we draw the line is an interesting question. It would have been nice if someone asked that question during BB15 when Aaryn, Ginamarie and Amanda were making so many bigoted, racist, and homophobic remarks towards the other castmates while targeting them week after week, mainly Candice. Their bullying was very difficult to watch and I had to eventually turn off that season. And by the way, that's just one BB example, there were other seasons. No one did anything then, there wasn't a pondering question of concern or collective outrage, as I don't expect a person who is not affected by such behavior will be able to see it or even really care- until it happens to them. That's why a Cookout was formed, to show what it looks like when you dominate and eliminate based on race. Not fair is it? But, one notable difference that the cookout had is that they didn't name call, belittle or intimidate other castmates to get them out. So it's not quite the same. It was their strategy to finally bring the outsiders in the game - for better or worse. Where we draw the line you ask? Well, until the game is fair and integral to all, the lines will continue to blur and we won't know.
💜 this
I think cookouts goal of having the 1st back winner on BB made no sense. Considering it already happened on Celebrity BB S2. Like it was unanimous too. Does it really not count bc it’s celebrities? Makes no sense to me. People seem to overlook that & act like the cookout accomplished this 1st. When that’s simply not true. Yes celebrity BB & regular BB is a little different, but they’re still the same game. They should just eject racist like they did on BB Canada with Kyle. I believe they don’t eject HG on BB US bc people usually watch the show for the drama on BB. like Celebrity BB UK has ejected celebrities who’ve said racist & homophobic things. It’s like other BB have stricter rules. There should be a line on the BB US show, but they don’t care. I mean they do eject you if you put your hands on someone or break their rules repeatedly, but that’s it. Which is something they should obviously do anyways.
@@ventustbb3229 The fact that you think that the Cookout's goal made no sense further proves my point. And we'll just have to agree to disagree that there is little difference between regular BB and celebrity BB. However, I do agree with you that BB US needs to take more of a stand against reprehensible behavior of any kind (i.e. Dick Donato pouring tea on Jen's head in BB8, amongst the other terrible things he did, and then later winning the game). If they started to have stricter rules and higher standards that would definitely be a step in the right direction. But if what they value most is the highest ratings possible, that probably won't happen.
@@Cappacinoo1 I’m saying It makes no sense bc it already happened therefore they aren’t making history & their goal was already achieved. My point is you can’t make an alliance & claim that’s your goal when it already happened. Which is why I believe that. Celebrity BB S2 took place 2 years beforehand. So celebrating the cookout & acting like Celebrity BB S2 never happened really annoys me tbh. I’m not hating on them or saying I didn’t like them. I’m just saying it was unnecessary to claim that’s their goal when it already happened. Maybe they didn’t see that season 🤷🏻♂️
I believe they value the ratings more. Considering that’s what gets them the viewers to renew the series for more seasons.
@@Cappacinoo1 We can agree to disagree on Celebrity BB however I do agree with everything else you said in your original comment. I just don’t like how the Celebrity BB victory was minimized & overlooked like it didn’t matter at all.
Michael did this to himself by not backdoring monte or turner 😒
Now I’m rooting for Taylor to win 🏆
Why Taylor though? She's horrible at this game.
@@nickbingo8653 horrible or not I still want her to win 🏆😁
11:11 When is it not a good time to use divisive issues that can bind? I think the game has ALWAYS been that way. In earlier seasons, men "ran" the house. Then all-female alliances were formed. Not enough POC winners? They band together. There is nothing inherently wrong with who you gravitate towards and choose to push forward with, I think it's the HOW you do so and WHAT you say. This is why, as messed up as the Kyle situation was, I'm STILL more upset with Michael regarding it.
1000% agree
However love, you’re commenting under Cody’s video. And he never chose to defend Davonne or show her grace and mercy when she was put up on the block with her other black friend. Bare in mind, they didn’t win a thing. Like a thing! She had bigger threats she could have gone for.
Did Cody say anything??
Atleast Michael spoke up. They would have been keeping Kyle in the house and he would have continued to go after poc. He was the one who offered up Ameerah, then Joseph, then Monte or Taylor… do you see a pattern???
Michael didn’t want any parts of tbag.
@@Nottachiminsight did Kyle offer up Ameerah? Oh I'm gonna have to go back, I could stand corrected.
What I will say is Jasmine echoed my sentiments straight up. I never even liked her but she and I were seeing each other when she was talking in the jury house this week about the whole thing.
Regarding Cody, yeah I didn't love his game play either. Which is why I'm saying when was race, gender class NOT a factor in this show?
Thank you guys so much for your words of wisdom, and for being the voices of reason!! Let's go, Monte!
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiish, Michael was hotter than fish grease! He begged and said Turner was using LGBTQ for leverage. If he thinks that, didn’t he do the same with that 2 week information? 🤷🏽♀️
That’s not what he said
@@WenNRome ok
Turner told him before that he would not put an LGBT player on the block which is why Michael said that. He was bringing up something that Turner already said.
Yikes the tea you’re serving is hotter tho 🤣☕️
@@KhaIiI8414 😂💋♥️
No one’s excusing Terrance suddenly wanting to use race when he’s in the block
Same backlash happened to Ameerah when she was pulling the same BS
The CO was made so no one in the future would ever have to do it again
Louder!!! They not hearing us 🗣
YESSSSSSS
Ugh….I’m addicted to this podcast. I hate waking up Friday morning and waiting for it to drop. Keep it up guys!!!
Thoroughly enjoyed watching Michael go out that door & Britney in shambles. Justice was served. Great take!
I completely agree with you 👏
Everyone is sleeping on Alyssa. Final 5 and no wins ! Iconic 😂
Victoria 2.0
Imagine if she wins the game too 🤣
@@ventustbb3229 I would Love that!!
I also loved Michael’s speech! I don’t understand when people just give up like why not say anything you can to save yourself?
It was a bad way to go out. Nothing he could say or do would get any votes. He showed his true colors. It wasn't game, everything he said and did on his way out was the type of person he was, classless and soulless.
it was iconic, a true superfan does whatever they can to stay and he tried so I can respect it.
@@brookcty Iconic? Oh, come on. He went out like a petty little bitch. Maybe if he turned to Brittany and hugged her saying it was just for the game and said goodbye to people he'd been working with and appreciated the good game move it would have been better. He was too much of a coward to make a big move while he was winning and couldn't accept good gameplay. He was great at comps and terrible at everything else. Didn't deserve to win.
@@nickbingo8653 wrong
@@eclecticsteak Great argument
To me, Terrence just won a veto. That HOH is bogus. He came in second
They should have played another round or a completely different game for the Direfest HoH.
And at that, he only won that veto because he got lucky the wind didn’t blow those styrofoam boxes over lol.
I watched the three seasons between you guys and well deserved wins to you both. I absolutely love you guy's outtakes on the episodes because you're fair and impartial. The last few seasons with the exception of last season has been toxic to watch so its refreshing to get you guy's perspective. Keep up the great work 👍
Turner has said things on the lives, but so has Monte. He was dragging Taylor WITH Terrance. He was doing the same crap weeks 1 and 2 that everyone else was and talking so much crap on Taylor and saying some really ruthless things. So if we’re gonna talk about things Turner has said, we gotta talk about Monte too. I don’t think Michael turning on britt says anything about the race situation, that’s ridiculous to me. He’s not just gonna throw his game away without trying, and he was frustrated on lives with things she was saying too because she was tanking her own game. And he was so closely associated with her that it looked bad on him as well. Michael was beginning to try to separate himself from her, so I don’t think that has anything to do with “proving” he used the race card. But like… again, no one is mad at Terrance for pulling the race card, it’s so frustrating to me. Everyone is literally acting like Michael is worse than Kyle and it’s just like… come on. I think he should’ve brought it up originally, yes, but people are putting much more on him than needbe and it is to a point where he’s being talked about for it more than Kyle. And if we’re gonna talk about throwing people under the bus like Michael did with Brittney, again, we gotta talk about what Dan did to Danielle not once but twice. I just feel like things now are so hypocritical.
Thank you for this comment
thank you!
Love your thoughts on diversity in the game, and hopefully in the future we'll just see people playing for strategic reasons and not race or other social factors
Doubtful. Unfortunately that ship has sailed on these CBS reality shows.
The contestants on these shows bring all their baggage with them.
This season has mostly gone without discussions/gameplay about race except when Kyle brought it into the game…..
@@watercreamspalace Terrance had conversations with Taylor and Monte.
@@watercreamspalace on the show maybe, but that certainly hasn't been the case on the feeds. Taylor said she was inspired to apply for the show in the first place by the cookout. Taylor talked about colorism early on. Several contestants expressed a desire to see a black woman win. Taylor didn't want to target Jasmine because she didn't want to attack another black woman. I can go on...
@@havok6280 Ok the examples you have said are just the contestants talking about their race and experiences, only one of those statements ACTUALLY affected the game. Which was Taylor not putting Jasmine on the block. The rest literally were just conversations. Considering the Leftovers is a diverse alliance with majority of the alliance being white, I don’t see how race was an issue this season.
I loved Michael's speech and exit. It was iconic Big Brother
Cody’s table walk was still the top tier. I was so happy Michael got out so seeing him exit bitterly made me cheer more 😂
@@dannyt7269 I don't think he was truly bitter because as soon as he sat out with Julie his attitude was fine, he did that because it's Big Brother, he wanted to go out iconically. He was not bitter
@@ladonnakirkpatrick4105 Watching Michael on feeds when he’s angry, he’s really good at putting on a front. Maybe he wasn’t bitter, but idk.
@@dannyt7269 I really don't think he was
With Terrence, he targeted and spoke terribly to her (Taylor). Anyone with eyes could see NO ONE of color or otherwise was working with Taylor initially. So sorry. That killed Kyle's argument
Initially but this was on Michaels hoh after leftovers were running things. Last year Tiff and Big D had some fights so they didnt appear either.
@@CindyTemple but Terrence spoke ugly about her out of the BB door.
Yes. thank you.
@@verneciaw6127 Everyone did pretty much. Things change week to week so anything is possible.
Live feeders know Monte and Turner were not going to target Mike until TAYLOR kept pushing it to Monte who finally talked to Turner to align. Monte was just like Turner a day before DE. TAYLOR convinced MONTE. Would have been so dumb if they didn't 😂 wish those convos made the show edit
Facts
Lmao thats a lie and I like Taylor. Monte has been wanting to get Michael out for a month. He also said if the opportunity presented itself he was taking the shot.
@@THENYNE You clearly don’t watch the feeds lmfao monte and Turner were definitely going to stick to that gentleman’s agreement. You’re loud and wrong here buddy lmao
Monte was going to target Michael. Then we they made the gentleman agreement because they are scared of girls alliance. Once Brit blew that up. It was Taylor who helped monte realize that the reason they were not targeting Michael didn’t exist anymore
@@mikecrutchfield1360 exactly
Great video. Can yall share some insight on why CBS/BB doesn't do a reunion show or post season recap? As fans it'd be great to hear what players think/feel after they've had a moment to process.
+1 At least post a webisode on a paramount+
They do.
@@symptomoftheuniverse4149 Where is it shared/posted?
@@andreabey6084 At the end of the game they (CBS) gets everyone on stage, they talk and then they vote.
@@symptomoftheuniverse4149 Got it. I mean after HGs have had an opportunity to watch the show, DR sessions and other convos.
I don't count Terrance's HOH....he got lucky coming in second on a week where second got him an HOH...any other week and that wasn't a win.
This is not the same game anymore agreed best point! Watching older seasons was so much more fun
To be fair, Michael didn't say anything that they didn't already know because the house guest had already compared notes on what Britney was doing.
Can we also acknowledge that Brittany might have just been loyal to Michael because he was carrying her, she was quick to run her mouth at the end the throw him under the bus but then cried to say it was to see who was targeting him. She knew without Michael she isn't lasting long.
@@xotini yes I definitely acknowledge that
Kyle evicted for his bias conversation…then Terrance has bias conversations. Michael using his bias with Turner. SMH
Turner brought it up first, that’s wild!
Turner legit pitched that to michael
Taylor and Monte both called Terrance a hypocrite for that and voted him out. Turner brought up the lgbtq thing first. try again
I love the way Cody broke down how the mind works when you're under pressure, and the way you need to prepare yourself for any scenario...Imagine living your life like that very single day of your life...that's exactly how my mind works daily, and its exhausting...
The flow of how you two go about the gameplay and throw in personal opinion has gotten so good!! I love watching your videos after seeing an episode😃
Michael's speech would have totally misted me. The fact he came up with it on the fly and didn't even stutter.. I was amazed. His exit was pretty funny, too.
Kind of bummed he is gone, I feel like the main character has died lol. Deep down, I knew his days were numbered unless he won every single comp pretty much.
Taylor is the person who got monte to target Michael. She proved the girls alliance was vs by telling him about it and she pushed for him to think about targeting mike
That clip with Kyle and Michael talking is pretty revealing. Not only did he not shoot down Kyle's thought but in fact said he had similar thoughts himself. Personally, after the way last season played out I don't understand why someone should be hung out to dry for thinking that there's possibilities of some type of unspoken race based alliance that could be secretly happening behind the scenes, especially with Taylor continually talking about how she couldn't put another black woman on the block.
They hit it on the head in this video I think, Michael would have used anything to win, I mean isn't Turner part of the LGBT community to begin with. His exit was epic though, as bratty as he was.
He definitely didn’t think about it in that way until he spoke in depth to Brittany and then they compared notes moving forward. It got to be tooooo much for them to hold
Glad that you showed the video of Michael and Kyle for those naysayers. Michael truly looks like such a fake slime ball. He left the house looking like a classless big baby and poor sport. Way to go Michael! No respect here.
Turner has won 3 hohs and other houseguests have controlled his HoH😂
I 100% want Monte to win. I don’t think Taylor should win she was carried because of how she was treated the first week. Turner would be okay. But I’m Monte all the way! Michael’s speech was great. It’s what he did to Kyle that makes me dislike him.
I think anything goes but I would have a conversation with those closest to me that may be used to get me further in the game. I wouldn’t want people to be surprised.
And FYI Turner’s name is Matthew
Terrance comments about Taylor were repulsive. Very few of podcasts nor CBS have addressed this issue. Why?
bc black women are always run over and the last to be defended unfortunately. 😟
Turner is the one that approached Michael about not voting each other out because they should stick together. That was actually Turner's pitch to Michael
Thank you!! The fucking cherry picking of these loaded topics is such bs 🙄
It's one thing to pull out 'all' the stops to win- it's a game. But it's another to use a persons observations about 'what could be happening' with alliances being made in the game and amping up already racially divided tensions in this country for personal gain. That's not strategy. That's flat out ruthlessness. Zero respect. Zero! The POC saw it for what it was.
Thank you for putting the clip on here 👍🏻
Game is wide open, baby. Love to see it! Great conversation here as always.
So proud of Monte for stepping up!!
What I found so entertaining is that Michael knew right away that he is going up when Montee won. He saw him asked, he got the answer, he didn't even campaign. He ran to the girls who are voting to campaign.
LET IT RUN!!! This is real life America!!! LET IT RUN!!!! stop influencing the house guests and let these scenarios run because that's the most interesting thing about Big Brother it's a glimpse of America. It makes sense that it's different because the cast isn't 90% white anymore.
Yeah, the cast is 50% non-white which actually doesn't reflect America at all. It reflects Twitter.
@@johnjungkook2721 No, it reflects different parts of America not just white bread America. I'm from the south and I grew up in areas that are predominantly Black and Brown. My culture is Gullah/Geechee which you probably never heard of because you don't know all of America lmao. That was Kyle's problem too. America is a big country.
Last night was insane! I wasn’t 100% sure Michael would be evicted, but the second Monte won veto, I knew Michael would be going up. Monte went from riding that power high to almost fainting before he took down Alyssa. Turner said, “I have to open up first place,” and that was succinct. Not mincing words.
Michael had a Dr. Jekyll/ Mr. Hyde moment last night. He didn't care if Brittany was sitting next to him on the block, he lit her up like a Roman candle.
So tea is Taylor put the idea back into their heads which is why Monte felt confident to push. So this move was part Taylor/Turner/Monte. But I like to give Taylor some cred bc she didn’t touch the block and did some great work last week. Nothing flashy but just enough to take some credit for it
I agree. her work is so underrated + I hope she takes this whole game ✌️
Monte and Turner had been discussing getting Mike out for weeks. Taylor went along for the ride.
@@mackin66 everybody had been talking about taking the shot, but after the gentlemans agreement was made they had switched up. Taylor put them back on track a couple of days before the DE
@@sevans108 If indy is psychic like she was about her eviction she will.
It was NOT racist what Kyle did and said. I Dont think so at all! And I'm a Black Woman! Nor do I think Kyle is racist at all. I'm not understanding why people are trying to make this a race thing. Just because he thought the minorities were playing together. This is sad how people blew this up in a racist way.
It WAS. End of story
@@dumzoawillofficalfpdd4565 after the way last season played out I don't understand your outrage, but I think it's performative.
@@johnjungkook2721 he had no reason why he would think they would work together. It was an unconscious bias. At least have proof. Imagine if they took out all the poc because THEY THOUGHT another cookout was forming. How is that fair to them. It may not be called racist but it's still an unconscious racial bias. Which is still bad.
I had to rewind Michael’s speech throwing Brittany under the bus like that and seeing her reaction.
Very satisfying. She was riding Michael’s coattails. I hope she’s next to go
He threw her under Terrance’s bus
The first nail in Michael’s coffin was not going through the door first on the first day. That put him on Daniels radar which put him on the block first and made him feel like he had to win as much as possible
I adore both of you. I love when I'm able to catch your pod. It's great! You've definitely opened my eyes on the timeline with the Michael-Kyle situation, as I was not open at all to the criticism I'd seen. HOWEVER, you guys know- what's said in there & sitting there agreeing, is 95% BS in that house. So, I'm disregarding the video proof you guys showed here (new footage). The deal is, you have to make sure 1000% that you know FOR SURE when a comment(s) are racially charged before pointing fingers. It took Kyle saying it multiple times, for Michael & Brittany to be able to say FOR SURE it was. That's a HUGE accusation & it's national TV.
Still adore you both.. Cody looks even better today than when he played. SO CUTE! Wishing you both all the best. Keep doing what you're doing. xo's
Thank you 🙏🏾
It’s annoying that people are forgetting that brittney and Michael told Kyle that the black ppl are not working together and he talked about Terrance and Jasmine wanting Monte out. And Kyle continued in fact he got even more aggressive.
And I think Michael just didn’t want any parts of that narrative
@@Nottachiminsight I agree completely! For the most part, Michael kept to himself. He didn't even know how to approach the subject. I hate that people are forgetting who said it & what was said. It's insane to me!
I usually Aline with your point of view and on the rare occasions I don’t i still appreciate both of your perspectives
The clip you showed was from the first time Kyle mentioned his Cookout 2.0 discussions during Michael's HOH. However, Kyle went even harder during Taylor's HOH. Also, he discussed it with Alyssa too, however she hasn't admitted it. As for Terrance, he was just trying to stay in the game. He tried to get Monte and/or Taylor evicted the whole game. It was only after Kyle left did Terrance suddenly want to "bond" with Monte and than when he realized he could stay with 3 votes, he started sweet talking Taylor hoping she would vote for him and encourage Brittney to vote for him. If Terrance had stayed, he would have been campaigning to get rid of Taylor.
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The point is the timing of Michael's choice to divulge this info and his answer in this clip to Kyle! He was asked by Kyle if he was over
thinking this cook out 2.0 theory! All Michael had to say if he really believed Kyle was being racist in any way was say Yes you are wrong in your thinking! He didn't say it the first nor this second time when asked but felt the same he said!. Ef Michael.Glad he's out! Welcome to jury.
@@sallyl5071 GUYS FOR DEAR FREAKING LIFE, the issue is that Kyle USED MICRO AGGRESSIONS to get people to turn against the people of color! Both MICHAEL AND BRITTNEY told Kyle to freaking STOP. And that Jasmine and Terrance came to him asking for him to back door MONTE. Which was proof that the people of color were not working together.
Michael was not only friends with Kyle he was also an ally. Everyone knows the repercussions about saying someone was a racist. And so he warned and told him to stop. Michael talked about an all white alliance making him uncomfortable when Kyle originally said it. So did Britney and she too warned him, BECAUSE THEY WERE FRIENDS. And when Michael found out Kyle was trying to backdoor him, (after he was an ally and friend to him) he asked why tf would he be protecting someone who doesn’t show him loyalty? Plus both his allies Taylor and Britney were on the block and he took Britney off meaning Taylor was going to leave who he was loyal to. So he threw comments out. Plz let’s act like Big Brother isn’t about leveraging things they heard or found out. HE WAS STILL PLAYING BB.
Oh let’s not forget that Kyle made the first move at the leftovers and took out a POC, his second move was going to be at another POC from the leftovers. He wanted NO PARTS IN THAT NARRATIVE and I don’t blame him. Also him going to Turner and telling him putting Monte up would be a mistake bc Kyle wanted to take out the POC was also him being a slight friend. And that’s why he felt guilty putting up Turner!!! He made Turner do the right thing so he had to honor his promise. Knowing that GAME WISE Turner would have been the best person to backdoor.
So he wasn’t all about game. Clearly.
In Kyle's defense, when Taylor said she couldn't put a black woman up, it would make me wonder. Remember the cookout had a person outside the cookout for cover!
If Michael had put Turner on the block and Terrance stayed. Michael still would of gone home. Monte was close to winning the HOH and I think Terrance would of done well on that as well.
I totally agree. In fact, I think the final six HOH was the one challenge Terrence might have actually won. I am saying this based on how well Terrence did in the HOH challenge leading into the divided house week. Terrence is certainly not as physically fit as the younger contestants, but he is very smart and mentally quick.
This whole race issue is annoying. Kyle did that and said worst. Michael & Britt held onto and it’s not right but it’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t. Terrance went against every black person in that house. Then to use it to gaslight them it’s makes no sense. Turner is also performative as well.
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Wow! The two guys are actually really wise. Such smart analysis every week.
Please fully verify information before sharing it. Michael mentioned that comment to Turner because TURNER approached Michael last week, and promised Michael, unprompted, that he (Turner) would not put Michael up because he didn’t want to send a member of the LGBTQ+ community home. Michael was calling Turner out on his lie and sneakiness.
I sure hope the jury doesn't give Turner any credit for the Michael eviction
All things are permissable but not all things are profitable. You've got to think of the consequences of what you say and do in that house.
BEST EPISODE EVER LOL!!MICHAEL GOING BEAST MODE ALL THE WAY!!! GOING OUT IN ALL THE GLORY LOL!!🤣🤣🤣
Turner is the one that brought up the LGBTQ+ stuff in either Michael’s HOH unprompted he said that to michael and only one that brought it up that’s why Michael said that
Terence told Julie he was happiest with Daniel and Erica…said it all.
Mike didn’t blow up Brittany’s game. She did that to herself. Omg guys please watch the feeds lord Jesus .
Another thing I want to know, is if Michael will tell Jasmine he threw that pie comp to her-adding yet another win for him. But to see her reaction to the fact that she actually didn’t win on her own… omg 😄
What proof do you have that Michael threw that?
@@KingBaller06gaming Michael said it in the DR.
Cody, Kyle actually did tell them that Michael agreed with him during the house meeting.
Really? I feel like I saw Kyle barely defend himself
@@elikeplinger5865 It was weak, but he Kyle said “It seemed like you guys were on board with that plan though”. Terrance at some point talking to one of the other hg’s starts piecing things together and says something that he believes Kyle is telling the truth about thinking M/B agreed with him. It’s possible that more is said that they don’t show but he at least tried to defend himself. At that point I think he’s trying not to be argumentative.
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bro these are dope! BB16 was the season that got me into BB, MAD LOVE for the Hitmen!
Karma bit him in the butt! His mantrum was priceless. That Godfather mentality was getting harder to watch every week. Glad he's gone. Team Monte all the way!
Monte winning that veto made me yell out loud! YES!
I’ve been waiting for this!
Omg
Brittany and Michael are right where they should have been weeks ago and to see how upset Michael was was amazing to watch some karma come back around. & then his rampage about Brittany was hilarious and her face through out it all was just priceless. She literally got this far by just riding the coat tails of anyone and I think these two finally got what’s coming to them and it was probably best karma serving episode this season and I was just eating popcorn and laughing and smiling the whole time. After them holding onto the info about Kyle and using it as a strategic card in the game they both deserve to go and not win this money and was so exciting watching them sweat the decision.
After these two next needs to be Alyssa she’s also just rode the coat tails of not only Kyle but anyone she could and she’s not a good player , physically or socially and she should have been out long time ago,!
Let me first so guys I’m a fan of the show And a fan of both of you. The podcast is great. Keep up the good work. I’m a black woman who has watched every season of big brother and I have felt that the POC representation on the show has always been lacking and on several occasions when there were POC they were treated terribly that I understand completely why the cookout was established. With that said I KNEW The ramifications of that was possibly going to change the game in a way that fans and some alum Wouldn’t like. It’s disappointing to me that some people still don’t understand the cookout purpose especially after watching Awful things that transpired in BB21 and BB15 But again I do acknowledge how moving forward biases or the suspicion of biases have become a front runner on the show. I don’t think that’s what the cookout intended. I think they just wanted a fair playing field And even representation which were never really there prior to BB23.
Thanks Cody for that question of when is it appropriate and when is it not. When Terrance brought that up I thought the same thing.
The answer: 🤷🏾♂️
I felt similarly. It just seems to fight against the points many made about the situation. Let me say I’m not the most aware or educated about these issues yet I did feel it was leaning towards hypocritical but what do I know.
I like the zoomed in use of screen space. The black border was a waste of space.
If you are going to watch just one Big Brother podcast the Winners Circle with both Derrick & Cody on it is the one to watch. They provide the most accurate, fairest and most free of bias account of what is going on in the Big Brother house.
Thanks MOM I love you. XO
🥳👏 Michael has been sent to the Jury house.
I love you two how you view the game plays🤣🤣🤣 you make these boring seasons funny.
COME ON GUYS!!!! Spoiler Alert 🚨 Please stop revealing the show in the title!! I just got a chance to watch Friday and since I love your podcast it always pops up on my UA-cam feeds, I try to avoid but I always get spoiled 😩
Excellent comments Cody. Thanks for sharing.
Cody I am so glad you brought up the "where is the line?". I cheered when Turner won the hoh. But when he didnt put up Michael i was cursin at the tv. When Michael almost won I was deflated. Then when Monty won and came in and told Alyssa she was coming down I was cheering again. But YES.. ha ha ha Turner is no longer who i want to win. Monty pulled the trigger on the BIG move this season and has my vote for win.
sorry..* Monte
I stopped listening after Cody said Kyle's comments were not racists
You know my favorite thing was the Double HOH Twist. The one thing that bummed me out was that one got the house and all the perks while the other felt more like a "Have nots" punishment. I get Terrance was the second HOH since Michael won but why treat it like a punishment rather than an HOH win?
I love you guys!! Thanks for speaking truth to light!
I was also so incredibly disappointed that Michael tried to use the lgbtq card to make turner feel guilty and told monte not to put him up there that he would keep him safe it’s just all empty promises that you can’t guarantee or necessary keep .
Shame on Terrance for using the race card and the jury vote to try and stay like Jesus I know it’s a game but those things should be off limits and cards you just don’t play. It’s tacky and makes you look desperate and look weak.
Love the new layout! Nice work guys (Cody)!
Amen to you guys bringing up when we draw the line on bringing social issues into the game. From the cookout, to Kyle, to Terrence, and now Michael pleading to Turner. Everyone was quick to jump on Kyle and say he’s wrong, but some of these other circumstances get swept under the rug, cause it doesn’t fit the world narrative.
Exactly
It is the same game, but with the race stuff out in the open.
Race has always played a role in BB. It was just historically used against black people i.e. white alliances teaming up against them until the CO were created (the first season where they had actual diverse enough casting for something like this to happen). Now everyone wants to complain about race being a part of the game, but it was there when multiple people in BB15 were throwing racial slurs directly in the face of black houseguest, in bb11 when braden called kevin multiple racist and derogatory terms, and all the many microagreesions from white houseguest directed at black houseguests over the years.I understand it can be frustrating to see players factor this into their game, but due to the current culture outside of the house and precedent from all 24 seasons, it will always play a role.
It’s hard to judge on the clip because in the same clip he lied about ever saying it to anyone so who is to say he isn’t lying to placate Kyle & make him feel Comforted so he continues spilling more to him. Literally page 1 in BB handbook is nod and agree to everything to not show your cards. Michael is a gamer first and he showed it again to Brittany on his way out. But regarding the lgbt comment he was calling out Turner who had said he didn’t want to nom someone from the lgbt community similar to Taylor not nomming a black woman. Turner started saying he didn’t want to do it and Michael was like, bullsh*t
this is what I said. you have to entertain all bs coming from anyone even if you don’t agree with it strategy/morally or otherwise. they told him multiple times Brit especially that “ITS NOT RIGHT” but where are those clips? and 100% Turner used the lgbt card to save his own ass not the other way around. I don’t blame Michael for being pissed.
And dj blowtime can fly a kite with his “family reunion” so problematic.
Off topic, but will you guys be covering Survivor this upcoming season? I know you said you didn’t cover season 42 because of the feedback from covering 41 (which I think is dumb viewers did that, I found you guys working through the season together very refreshing and enjoyable seeing a more casual perspective and that’s just simply gate-keeping) with you guys adding Tiffany as a regular I didn’t know if you had any plans to add a former survivor or give it another shot. Love the content!
The only thing this season has proved and we witnessed live was a guy get canceled in real time for absolutely no reason. It will keep happening unless the candy ass people start sticking up for them selfs
Turner told Michael he wouldn't nominate an LGBTQ person -- that's why Michael mentioned it
Taylor was pushing Monte to take the shot
I wonder if this is the last season, will CBS decide all the social issues are too much of a headache for them to deal with? Social media is not going away and too many ppl are applying just to be famous (Taylor) or get followers for the money offered by youtube and tictoc!!!!!
Not a mention about the jury house
I said this on the last episode with Derrick and Cody and I’ll say it again; I don’t like that Cody says he doesn’t think Kyle‘s actions were racist. As a person of color, I feel that Kyle’s actions were rooted in racism. You can make it sound pretty by saying he has certain biases or prejudices, but for me its racism. Especially when Kyle even said hisself that his grandma was racist.
It was stupid as fuck cause it was pretty obvious that there wasnt any alliance btw them but why do you think he made that point ?? Maybe because the "best" alliance of all season was only based on skin color, happend last year so very easy to think of and the cast since last season is way more diversed than before ? Kyle saying that his grandma was racist making racist now..... you really gotta grow my friend, twitter is not the real life :)
@@borisbedelet4408 you got me there; I’m sure I came to this conclusion because of Twitter and not because I subscribed to and watched livefeeds🙄.
Cody you can’t be pissed for Michael steam rolling his season cause you steam rolled your season of all stars 😂😂 silly Cody
Michael knew if he targeted Turner that he would destroy his chances of getting jurt votes at the end no matter how many comps he won
That’s what happens when you take strong players to the end and they are not your alliance. Brittany was supposed to win and save Michael for a change
Yeah it's sad that Michael's final 2 literally was zero help for his game. She never won when it counted to save him.
Great job finally addressing Michael concurring on a cookout 2.0 possibility. Kyle was persecuted but is genuine in his want to learn from. It possibly cost Kyle & Alyssa love, that remains to be seen. Not right at all for CBS to not air that
Man this was definitely the best episode