Process: It turned out that all the soundbg#.dat files had LAME in the file headers when I looked at it in a hex editor. The console being android-based just used LAME audio encoding. It was at this point I burst out laughing. All I had to do was unzip the .dat files from the .gz files (a GNU Zip) and change the filename to .mp3 The raw soundtrack with MP3 filenames is in the video description. Why does it sound like this?: To the ear, it sounds like they took the ARCADE midis and ran them through a generic soundfont. Some of the percussion samples sound particularly off. Your guess why they'd make the OST like this is as good as mine, but my suspicion is legal reasons? Maybe they couldn't use recordings from Sony's soundchip on another games console, as the arcade board was based on PS1 hardware? We may never know.
I'd like to add that namco's C352 sound chip used in a bunch of their mid-late 90s Arcade boards never actually used MIDI, namco would've either programmed them manually with their own code tailored for each game, or they would've used some other kind of sound driver with a more musician-friendly UI that handled C352-friendly playback routines on its own. So assuming they didn't just repurpose old driver code and convert it to MIDI, which is highly unlikely given that source code for most games and dev tools get lost, they would've had to do these MIDIs manually. So they actually put more work into these sub-par MIDIs than you might think lol. They're certainly using some sort of Roland soundfont or VST if nothing else, probably based on the SC-88 MIDI module (1994), based on the sound of those drums. Though, if you got what are basically MP3s from the game's files, how come namco didn't just use MP3s of the Arcade or even PS1 version's soundtrack? The fact that you extracted MP3s and they were still just fanmade-sounding, MIDI-esque conversions instead of just recordings of the original music raises so many more questions than answers lol
@@SixtyforceYTP I had assumed the soundchip was Sony Proprietary. Not NAMCO. And, these MIDIs are so high quality, I was pretty self assured that they were rips of some sort, or conversions. I'd seen other developers developing for the PS1 soundchip, using typical midi software which was then respecialised for the PS1 SPU (usually necessitated a quality reduction). If you're telling me they went to all the effort of either reinventing or creating a conversion tool for the original sequenced sound, I'm more bewildered by the finding. I'll reiterate, they were literally LAME header MP3 files with different filenames. And after hearing stories of MGS1's 00s PC port, I went looking for if these were fan-made MIDI files "borrowed" by an external dev-team. I couldn't find any credits in the code either. Not that they aren't there. Just I couldn't see them at a glance. So I don't know who worked on this game. As soon as ZEEBO emulation gets going, I need to look at this crap.
@@GizouGitai Yeah, the PS1's SPU did absolutely support MIDI, being the second console to do so after the SEGA Saturn. But namco's C352 used in System 11 (Tekken 1 and 2) and System 12 (Tekken 3 and Tag Tournament), as well as namco's in-house designs like System 22 and 23, does not. The PS1 has 4 possible options for music playback. --CDDA audio, which is raw PCM (Basically a headerless/containerless version of WAV) that can be played back by any CD player --Sony's own "XA" format, which is basically their own form of ADPCM, allowing for near-lossless compression of CD audio --Real-time playback of MIDI sequences, usually always done with custom samples --Real-time playback of PS1 SPU-compatible sequences of some other kind, usually always done with custom samples and programmed manually or with their own sound drivers, similar in concept to the SNES. The PS1 version of Tekken 2 certainly doesn't use CDDA for most of its music, since there's only three tracks on the disc. Track 1 for the game data, and Track 2 and 3 for a couple of the game's tunes. I find it unlikely that the PS1 version uses MIDI as a backend for real-time, sequenced playback, I think it's more likely that it uses recordings of the Arcade OST in Sony's proprietary "XA" format. It's certainly possible that there were some MIDIs in the PS1 version which they then ran through a soundfont and converted them to MP3 for the Zeebo. It's also possible they could've made their own MIPS/Sony SPU-compatible drivers or entirely re-wrote their hypothetical sound code for the PS1 version. But I highly doubt it's either of those, considering it would've been way easier and made way more sense for the PS1 version devs to have them in XA format. So I'm still putting my money on neither the Arcade nor even PS1 versions having MIDIs in them at all. And again, the fact that the Zeebo version uses MP3s still raises the question as to why they even bothered recreating the songs in some sort of twisted MIDI when they were just gonna have them stream as MP3s anyway. Again, they could've just used MP3s of the original soundtrack, but they didn't, so the fact that these Zeebo versions exist still raises quite a few eyebrows lol.
@@SixtyforceYTPThe PS1 port of 2 (and 3) use XA format for the vast majority of the music yeah, there's no sequenced music in either port too. Redbook was only used for the Staff Roll music in both games IIRC. Tekken 1 PS1 on the other hand does use CDDA for almost the entire soundtrack, like a lot of launch and near launch titles did, before the games started getting bigger and bolder and devs were finding CDDA format to be too space hungry to be feasible (or for games with use of real time level chunk streaming like Driver and Crash there wasn't enough bandwidth to use anything other than sequenced music). I should also note that on the preservation side of things Namco seems to have done a good job with their music, as all of the ITunes onwards digital releases of Tekken 1-2's soundtracks are 100% new transfers from the original project files, with a higher clarity, longer cuts and in some cases inconsistencies with the original game files and soundtrack releases. I wouldn't be surprised if they were able to export the original sequences that way (or use them to easily recreate midi file copies).
So, fun fact about the Zeebo version of Tekken 2. It's actually a port of the mobile version of Tekken 2 back in 2009 for select Verizon Wireless phones. I remember seeing a website about this port and I wanted to play it so much back then because a portable Tekken 2 sounded awesome, but it's been discontinued and off of the store obviously, so the Zeebo version is the best way to play it.
This was surprisingly decent. Although I think that's a testament to the 10/10 soundtrack Tekken 2 has more than anything. Still things like this should be preserved so thanks for ripping it!
I have to say, while a lot of Tekken OST's are bangers, Tekken 2 and Tag1 are genuinely peak, and this is the proof. The OST is so good, that even some samples being off, don't cut off the magic. I'm so grateful Tekken 8 would let me use these instead.
Even with the dinky instrument changes Kazuya Mishima/Devil Kazuya’s theme still sounds contemplative yet threatening. …Of course, I only could feel this way after recovering from experiencing the art displayed when it started playing. Truly magnificent.
It's much like the entire soundtrack playing into a CPS3 board, but with more than a music based on another one. An idea coming from a brazillian floped console, who is made by the group who represents Sega.
I dunno what's a ZEEBO, and I've never heard of something like this before, but if it's more tekken 2 music, I'm listening. Thank you for uploading this.
@@toro2812 it's worth watching a few videos on it. Strange product but infamous. Funny enough thor high heels last vid was on tekken 2 and he mentioned this soundtrack specifically. Recommend watching if you dig tekken my friend
Was just about to do the same thing. The only one I didn't much like was Jun's. Sounds like a dog's barking or Heihachi's getting hit in the background or something.
I wonder how the composers might feel knowing this is the first way some people have listened to this soundtrack. Or, like in my case, the *only* way they've listed to it
Speaking of the T2 ost, ive looked as far as i can for a translation of the lyrics for "Landscape under the Ghost - Kaminano" but ive found nothing. Do you know what the lyrics mean? also why in gods name is bandai so eager to rerelease T2 everywhere but not the other ones
Short answer is, it's mumbojumbo. Long answer? It's mumbojumbo, but it has two potential meanings. To Japanophones it sounds like: "朝よい神なの、巫女左にけり" This can be interpreted anywhichway. A couple reasonable ones are: "Morning, Evening, God, that's it. The Shrine Maiden kicked left." "Good Morning, God's name is... The Shrine Maiden grinned." There was supposedly an 'official' translation, though, in a Dengeki PlayStation magazine. "大地の声が聞こえる、私を包む何かが" "I hear the voice of the earth. Something is covering me." This doesn't cover the third unrepeated verse, when the song speeds up. The term used for Covering is 包む as in, to dress in, conceal, or wrap up. It might be an indication of feeling the presence of a ghost, or the singer is buried themself. I've also found greek phonetic lyrics online that implied the song's a discussion between a Goddess and a female protagonist, repeating the same line to one-another.
@@GizouGitai first things first, thank you for giving such an elaborate answer, as for the lyrics. I dig the greek translation most since jun has almost been deified by the series after t2 but the "official" one is definitely closest to her role and story in t2. Kinda wished the lyrics were more telling but tbh, i almost expected, so i cant say im suprised. Oh well, the song's still a banger. And again, Thank you for the thorough answer
![[Live 1996] Character Select Screen from TEKKEN2 -Are You Ready?-](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zy0NZAQq2gE/mqdefault.jpg)
Process:
It turned out that all the soundbg#.dat files had LAME in the file headers when I looked at it in a hex editor.
The console being android-based just used LAME audio encoding. It was at this point I burst out laughing.
All I had to do was unzip the .dat files from the .gz files (a GNU Zip) and change the filename to .mp3
The raw soundtrack with MP3 filenames is in the video description.
Why does it sound like this?:
To the ear, it sounds like they took the ARCADE midis and ran them through a generic soundfont. Some of the percussion samples sound particularly off.
Your guess why they'd make the OST like this is as good as mine, but my suspicion is legal reasons?
Maybe they couldn't use recordings from Sony's soundchip on another games console, as the arcade board was based on PS1 hardware?
We may never know.
I'd like to add that namco's C352 sound chip used in a bunch of their mid-late 90s Arcade boards never actually used MIDI, namco would've either programmed them manually with their own code tailored for each game, or they would've used some other kind of sound driver with a more musician-friendly UI that handled C352-friendly playback routines on its own.
So assuming they didn't just repurpose old driver code and convert it to MIDI, which is highly unlikely given that source code for most games and dev tools get lost, they would've had to do these MIDIs manually. So they actually put more work into these sub-par MIDIs than you might think lol. They're certainly using some sort of Roland soundfont or VST if nothing else, probably based on the SC-88 MIDI module (1994), based on the sound of those drums.
Though, if you got what are basically MP3s from the game's files, how come namco didn't just use MP3s of the Arcade or even PS1 version's soundtrack? The fact that you extracted MP3s and they were still just fanmade-sounding, MIDI-esque conversions instead of just recordings of the original music raises so many more questions than answers lol
@@SixtyforceYTP I had assumed the soundchip was Sony Proprietary. Not NAMCO.
And, these MIDIs are so high quality, I was pretty self assured that they were rips of some sort, or conversions. I'd seen other developers developing for the PS1 soundchip, using typical midi software which was then respecialised for the PS1 SPU (usually necessitated a quality reduction).
If you're telling me they went to all the effort of either reinventing or creating a conversion tool for the original sequenced sound, I'm more bewildered by the finding.
I'll reiterate, they were literally LAME header MP3 files with different filenames. And after hearing stories of MGS1's 00s PC port, I went looking for if these were fan-made MIDI files "borrowed" by an external dev-team.
I couldn't find any credits in the code either. Not that they aren't there. Just I couldn't see them at a glance. So I don't know who worked on this game.
As soon as ZEEBO emulation gets going, I need to look at this crap.
@@GizouGitai Yeah, the PS1's SPU did absolutely support MIDI, being the second console to do so after the SEGA Saturn. But namco's C352 used in System 11 (Tekken 1 and 2) and System 12 (Tekken 3 and Tag Tournament), as well as namco's in-house designs like System 22 and 23, does not.
The PS1 has 4 possible options for music playback.
--CDDA audio, which is raw PCM (Basically a headerless/containerless version of WAV) that can be played back by any CD player
--Sony's own "XA" format, which is basically their own form of ADPCM, allowing for near-lossless compression of CD audio
--Real-time playback of MIDI sequences, usually always done with custom samples
--Real-time playback of PS1 SPU-compatible sequences of some other kind, usually always done with custom samples and programmed manually or with their own sound drivers, similar in concept to the SNES.
The PS1 version of Tekken 2 certainly doesn't use CDDA for most of its music, since there's only three tracks on the disc. Track 1 for the game data, and Track 2 and 3 for a couple of the game's tunes. I find it unlikely that the PS1 version uses MIDI as a backend for real-time, sequenced playback, I think it's more likely that it uses recordings of the Arcade OST in Sony's proprietary "XA" format.
It's certainly possible that there were some MIDIs in the PS1 version which they then ran through a soundfont and converted them to MP3 for the Zeebo. It's also possible they could've made their own MIPS/Sony SPU-compatible drivers or entirely re-wrote their hypothetical sound code for the PS1 version. But I highly doubt it's either of those, considering it would've been way easier and made way more sense for the PS1 version devs to have them in XA format. So I'm still putting my money on neither the Arcade nor even PS1 versions having MIDIs in them at all.
And again, the fact that the Zeebo version uses MP3s still raises the question as to why they even bothered recreating the songs in some sort of twisted MIDI when they were just gonna have them stream as MP3s anyway. Again, they could've just used MP3s of the original soundtrack, but they didn't, so the fact that these Zeebo versions exist still raises quite a few eyebrows lol.
@@SixtyforceYTPThe PS1 port of 2 (and 3) use XA format for the vast majority of the music yeah, there's no sequenced music in either port too. Redbook was only used for the Staff Roll music in both games IIRC.
Tekken 1 PS1 on the other hand does use CDDA for almost the entire soundtrack, like a lot of launch and near launch titles did, before the games started getting bigger and bolder and devs were finding CDDA format to be too space hungry to be feasible (or for games with use of real time level chunk streaming like Driver and Crash there wasn't enough bandwidth to use anything other than sequenced music).
I should also note that on the preservation side of things Namco seems to have done a good job with their music, as all of the ITunes onwards digital releases of Tekken 1-2's soundtracks are 100% new transfers from the original project files, with a higher clarity, longer cuts and in some cases inconsistencies with the original game files and soundtrack releases. I wouldn't be surprised if they were able to export the original sequences that way (or use them to easily recreate midi file copies).
So, fun fact about the Zeebo version of Tekken 2. It's actually a port of the mobile version of Tekken 2 back in 2009 for select Verizon Wireless phones. I remember seeing a website about this port and I wanted to play it so much back then because a portable Tekken 2 sounded awesome, but it's been discontinued and off of the store obviously, so the Zeebo version is the best way to play it.
I played it. I remember it so well.
This is what playing tekken 2 sounds like when youre blackout drunk
This was surprisingly decent. Although I think that's a testament to the 10/10 soundtrack Tekken 2 has more than anything. Still things like this should be preserved so thanks for ripping it!
I have to say, while a lot of Tekken OST's are bangers, Tekken 2 and Tag1 are genuinely peak, and this is the proof.
The OST is so good, that even some samples being off, don't cut off the magic.
I'm so grateful Tekken 8 would let me use these instead.
10/10 presentation
Lmaoing at Jun and King in that fanart. And that Kaz drawing is just glorious, comes tf outta nowhere
these better be in tekken 8's jukebox mode
14:21 this is surprisingly good!!
I love how Paul's theme sounds like something from SimCity 2000 on Windows 95 😆
Dam 2 days after Thorhighheels brings up the zeebo port as a sorta joke you got the soundtrack for us. What a time to be alive
Even with the dinky instrument changes Kazuya Mishima/Devil Kazuya’s theme still sounds contemplative yet threatening.
…Of course, I only could feel this way after recovering from experiencing the art displayed when it started playing. Truly magnificent.
Damn even the character select is amazing
Jun's one of my fav themes from the arranged OST, but this meme edition is something else
It's much like the entire soundtrack playing into a CPS3 board, but with more than a music based on another one.
An idea coming from a brazillian floped console, who is made by the group who represents Sega.
I wish Bandai Namco Release the Zeebo Port of Tekken 2 on Switch or Steam.
I dunno what's a ZEEBO, and I've never heard of something like this before, but if it's more tekken 2 music, I'm listening.
Thank you for uploading this.
Read the video opening
@@Ashamedofmypast Oh I read that, should've phrased it better, I never knew what a ZEEBO was prior to this video.
@@toro2812 it's worth watching a few videos on it. Strange product but infamous. Funny enough thor high heels last vid was on tekken 2 and he mentioned this soundtrack specifically.
Recommend watching if you dig tekken my friend
@@toro2812Fun fact: Zeebo is a Brazilian console
This Some Serious 🔥🔥🔥my dude! Thats definetly going into my Playlist!
Was just about to do the same thing. The only one I didn't much like was Jun's. Sounds like a dog's barking or Heihachi's getting hit in the background or something.
The whole thing sounds like a pretty rushed soundfont swap. Paul's in particular is kinda hilarious with the brass.
@@GizouGitai I wouldn't put it past Namco. Now I just want to actually play this mess. Infuse can't get here soon enough.
I can use this for a "TEKKEN 2 but my memory is kinda fuzzy" shitpost video. Thanks.
wow that picture at kazuya/devil's theme😂
gol I love laws faes, hee luuks like he'z trapped between having a mustash and skreeming hiz hed off at the same time. it's great!
i still cant get over pauls theme
Oh no... Poor Sound Canvas... You can do so much more but you were reduced to this.
I want to rip the sequences out and do it justice.
damn, never seen this before
Ooh thts interesting thanks for sharing :)
I wonder how the composers might feel knowing this is the first way some people have listened to this soundtrack. Or, like in my case, the *only* way they've listed to it
You've convinced me.
I'm deleting the video.
the osrs filter just works
The Tekken 2 zeebo port was actually pretty good | analysis
Dat Kazuya tho
This stuffs pretty solid for what it is but.... what the hell happened to Jun's theme.
if tekken 2 was on msdos 5.0 no cd audio
The soundtrack sounds a lot like the PS1 Crash Bandicoot games. Seriously, it's like Josh Mancell composed this version.
i think i'm going to mod this into tekken 8
didnt zeebo version also have updated models and gameplay tweaks lol? I wonder if that kinda stuff ever gets documented
Wow, nina have flex muscles, unlike other female in tekken who have slightly muscles
King has no bells
Speaking of the T2 ost, ive looked as far as i can for a translation of the lyrics for "Landscape under the Ghost - Kaminano" but ive found nothing. Do you know what the lyrics mean?
also why in gods name is bandai so eager to rerelease T2 everywhere but not the other ones
Short answer is, it's mumbojumbo.
Long answer?
It's mumbojumbo, but it has two potential meanings. To Japanophones it sounds like:
"朝よい神なの、巫女左にけり"
This can be interpreted anywhichway. A couple reasonable ones are:
"Morning, Evening, God, that's it.
The Shrine Maiden kicked left."
"Good Morning, God's name is...
The Shrine Maiden grinned."
There was supposedly an 'official' translation, though, in a Dengeki PlayStation magazine.
"大地の声が聞こえる、私を包む何かが"
"I hear the voice of the earth. Something is covering me."
This doesn't cover the third unrepeated verse, when the song speeds up.
The term used for Covering is 包む as in, to dress in, conceal, or wrap up. It might be an indication of feeling the presence of a ghost, or the singer is buried themself.
I've also found greek phonetic lyrics online that implied the song's a discussion between a Goddess and a female protagonist, repeating the same line to one-another.
@@GizouGitai first things first, thank you for giving such an elaborate answer, as for the lyrics. I dig the greek translation most since jun has almost been deified by the series after t2 but the "official" one is definitely closest to her role and story in t2. Kinda wished the lyrics were more telling but tbh, i almost expected, so i cant say im suprised. Oh well, the song's still a banger.
And again, Thank you for the thorough answer
Any link so i can download?
Video Description, buddy.
What's with the weird asian barking imitations in Jun's theme?
Plz see pinned comment thx
why does nina look roided
Because she actually used to be muscular... 😔
lame picture drawings of tekken 2
Ngl, this goes hard!
Also, got sauce for the artists socials? The style is legit cool!
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