MSF Player Voice! Where Are They And Why Aren't They Helping?! - Marvel Strike Force

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  • @zebrion5793
    @zebrion5793 5 місяців тому +7

    According to a certain someone in the program (whom I won't name here, but recently posted a video about this topic), they TRIED to tell them not to do this, but they bulldozed it anyways. It's very clear that the players' voice thing is entirely performative and nothing will ever come above the profits. They are catering so hard to those whales because people keep buying the stuff trying to keep up. The only thing that will ever stop this is if everyone cuts off their funding. Stop buying passes, stop buying characters trying to "keep up" with the new meta teams. Let their business sink. Give them feedback, sure, but the only message they understand is dollar signs.

  • @shades6666
    @shades6666 5 місяців тому +14

    The fact that this game actually needs a Players Voice "union" speaks volumes

  • @Tornado_Alley
    @Tornado_Alley 5 місяців тому +7

    I honestly think they are doing what they can. Reading that post. Listening to what some of the other content creators are saying.. it’s basically everyone told them it was a bad idea and Scopely went ahead and did what they wanted to do. They tried but Scopely just didn’t listen. I think it just has to keep getting talked about until they make the change.

    • @Jh-Jamie
      @Jh-Jamie 5 місяців тому +1

      its not the fact that they didn't try, no one is saying MSFPV did nothing. it the fact that they came back and said "this battle is lost and lets MOVE ON to the next." The MOVE ON part is what most people have issue with

    • @booksbytiffany
      @booksbytiffany 5 місяців тому +2

      @Jh-Jamie what are they suppose to do nag until socply won't even meet with them anymore? You have to pick your battles and when you now they is nothing to do you got to move on and changes the thing you can.

    • @Jh-Jamie
      @Jh-Jamie 5 місяців тому

      @@booksbytiffany did you watch the video or are you just commenting? what do you mean what are they supposed to do? start a movement, rally people, stop spending, threaten to to so and so much more
      and if this is not the battle to pick, tell me which is?

    • @booksbytiffany
      @booksbytiffany 5 місяців тому +1

      @Jh-Jamie they have rallied. No one is going to give up their login streak to prove a point. And the whales won't stop spending. What do you want them to do? Scoply made their decision. If you want to suggest something, I am sure the players voice will listen. Just saying to knock the ones that tried when you are not doing anything about it? Are you giving up your login streak? Are you leaving the game? If you are a spender are you going to stop? The anger scholars be placed on scoply not the ones that tried to help

    • @Jh-Jamie
      @Jh-Jamie 5 місяців тому

      @@booksbytiffany if there is a movement, not just me a whole lot of people are going to give up their streak and maybe you don't understand the ramifications of what this means but most people do and they will act. The players voice exists to do things like this, just WATCH the very video you are commenting on, it says in the MSFPV contract the steps they can take to put pressure on scopely. What are those just words? they mean nothing?

  • @SolarDaz3
    @SolarDaz3 5 місяців тому +2

    While Player voice might not be able to directly change and influence what boundless does, cause at the end of the day they have final say, but saying they have no power is crazy. They are supposed to represent us, but also be a place to organize and get the community at large to band together. They should be yelling and leading the charge on a spending strike, since a part of the council is whale players/alliances. Cut scoply out from the knees buy not buying shuri on release would send a large message, and MSFPV has the ability to do it

    • @marcusdavis1650
      @marcusdavis1650 5 місяців тому

      There actually was a player strike in the past and it was EFFECTIVE.

    • @BRB-dc4us
      @BRB-dc4us 5 місяців тому

      @@marcusdavis1650 you mean when there wasn't that much participation and people agreed not to buy cyclops yet some did and just didn't unlock him to make it look like they were supporting the cause but weren't. Player strikes have never worked in the past here I hate to say.

  • @michaelrussom6463
    @michaelrussom6463 5 місяців тому +2

    This is the kind of thing that led to DC Legends getting shut down. Right now, Disney Sorcerer's Arena is in the same process. Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes is amazingly still open. I've been farming the same characters for literal years and have made zero progress. I've actually spent on MSF compared to the others, but I have no intention to do so in the future. If they want players to drop off and give up on the game, they're on the right course.

  • @mikeconner3684
    @mikeconner3684 5 місяців тому +2

    Tue players voice council was just something they did to get us to shut up for awhile. They were never going to be able to do anything of substance.

  • @radioactivegaming7532
    @radioactivegaming7532 5 місяців тому

    I was telling a friend of mine about this situation yesterday. He plays SWGOH and Marvel Contest champions.I told him we had a player’s voice….he was like ‘ dude? Why? “ i didn’t have an answer as to why we even needed one in the first place and why i stayed around though we needed one. ☹☹☹☹

  • @NavikvonBathory
    @NavikvonBathory 5 місяців тому +14

    People love to shit on MPV... dude, it's insane that people think they'd have any kind of power. They are a voice, for Boundless to hear or ignore. "All bark and no bite" - how exactly do you think they could 'bite'? Honestly, any attacks on MPV should instead be a backing of them while digging on Boundless for Boundless's decisions. Community outrage/uproar is the answer. I'd have updated my review from when I left the game (have since come back), but it was already 1 star.

    • @Tauna
      @Tauna  5 місяців тому +3

      Literally explained it in the video, that THEY outlined how they would "bite"

    • @jonbrooks5366
      @jonbrooks5366 5 місяців тому

      There’s only so much they can do you are absolutely right. They. An outline things the players can do but aside from not spending or reviewing the game what else can you do? Quit or keep playing. Your choice

    • @MrPermadrunk
      @MrPermadrunk 5 місяців тому

      They've done nothing of merit for the community whatsoever.

    • @brianibach435
      @brianibach435 5 місяців тому +1

      They could have released a statement explaining what they said to scopely and what scopely said back, they could begin by explaining how hard they lobbied against this and what precisely they discussed

    • @NavikvonBathory
      @NavikvonBathory 5 місяців тому

      @@brianibach435 I agree. Their message of 'we tried, moving on' wasn't great.

  • @reedrichards82
    @reedrichards82 5 місяців тому

    Moved on, have they? I've moved on too. I've got over 10K level 4 training modules and I wanna see how long it can stay that way.

  • @kdoggforever
    @kdoggforever 5 місяців тому +7

    I just love how they say we tried, we lost, so let's all just move on to the next horrible topic that we won't be able to do anything about. Until we hit them in the wallet, this crap will never change. But the krakens and whales will never stop spending because they are all addicts.

  • @CallMeVanEl
    @CallMeVanEl 5 місяців тому +2

    i was saying in our alliance chat that i think Scopely successfully pacified them months ago

  • @LegendaryMedia365
    @LegendaryMedia365 5 місяців тому

    I’ve got a few videos of MSF cheating in multiple game modes! They do this to steal your money! I’ve been screen recording ever since I’ve been seeing some weird play happening on their side! I need to know how to send this out so many watch this!

  • @atrumael2142
    @atrumael2142 5 місяців тому +2

    if the Illuminati showcase had 3 missions that each required 3, 4, 5 star characters to unlock the corresponding star lvl Captain Britain we wouldnt be having this conversation

  • @mrgadd
    @mrgadd 5 місяців тому +1

    Didnt some of the leaders of msfpv quit? who even runs it now

    • @disappointing8213
      @disappointing8213 5 місяців тому +4

      Sevi runs it still, but the other core members have quit. And she’s not doing a great job. That’s why we’re encountering this problem with them.

    • @tray3483
      @tray3483 5 місяців тому +1

      @@disappointing8213 the leaders saw nothing was gonna change and bounced.

    • @tommyboy392
      @tommyboy392 5 місяців тому +1

      @@tray3483 2 of the initial "leaders" were 2 of the biggest Mega Krakens in the game. They got what they wanted and then got their feelings hurt when regular players called them on their BS

    • @BRB-dc4us
      @BRB-dc4us 5 місяців тому

      @@tommyboy392 more bogus fake news. Where's your proof on that?

  • @mrstephen43084
    @mrstephen43084 5 місяців тому +16

    Throwing the ppl doing the most to improve the game under the bus. What you are doing is 100% worse than what boundless is doing with the captain Britain unlock. They are doing it at least for business reasons.
    You know better than anyone how ppl blame the envoys all the time for things that are out of their control. You know the position the msfpv is in, and yet you are intentionally downplaying what the msfpv has done to prove your point.
    By the way, you forgot to blame msfpv for world hunger and poverty.

    • @Tauna
      @Tauna  5 місяців тому +2

      I'm just trying to hold them accountable for what they said they would do *shrug*

    • @ctnorman
      @ctnorman 5 місяців тому

      This is such a laughably bad take. You are seriously saying that a UA-cam video calling into question the effectiveness of the Player Voice is WORSE than this choice by Scopely to wreck the game for FTP players? "Business reasons" is by the way not a great way to justify a choice. Plenty of awful things have been done in history for that reason. It doesn't make them less bad.
      I get that the PV doesn't get to make the decisions, but if they ultimately have no power as you seem to say in your post, why have them? What's the point? If they do have power and a point, why not dig in on this issue?
      Also, nice red herring at the end.

    • @kreten7775
      @kreten7775 5 місяців тому +3

      This is way too harsh MrStephen and incredible childish! Why do you think you have the rights to make it so personal?! Is Tauna insulting anyone in specific? No, he's not! But you certainly are doing that! Watch the video, or watch it again. As far as I can see it Tauna is just disappointed and maybe even confused when it comes to msfpv. And hell, maybe they need it, maybe msfpv needs a wake-up call. Like the coach is hitting his boxer in the face before the fight. The coach is not doing it because he hates the boxer, he's doing it to make the boxer focused and angry. Nobody needs a passive boxer in the ring. And msfpv is a boxer in the ring against Scopely.

  • @finstergrinsen
    @finstergrinsen 5 місяців тому

    I think all of the points raised in the video are essentially good ones except for the overweighted emphasis on what players should be doing or should have to do in order to influence the decision-making of a corporation. Ultimately, the the failure to realize the core needed changes in the game is not a failure of the player voice. It’s a failure of the developers ear.

  • @derekrice5203
    @derekrice5203 5 місяців тому

    Until players speak with their wallets nothing will ever change. The krakens are so invested/addicted they would never consider boycotting a character to prove a point. That’s what it boils down to.

  • @Jh-Jamie
    @Jh-Jamie 5 місяців тому +1

    I too personally took issue with the fact that MSFPV just moved on. MOVE ON?? are they for real? okay I understand that the tried their best and scopely didn't listen so they just bent over?? thats their only option??? with the full support of the entire msf community all they can do is move on?? That's complete bulls**it

  • @MatanelCation
    @MatanelCation 5 місяців тому +12

    Everything you said in the video can be said on you and the other envoys, where's a video of how you failed both the community and the game?
    You mentioned that before we at least had blitz release events and able to farm shards from campaigns and so on, well, you proudly said months ago that you contributed to the change of more farmablity for shards via stores instead and removing blitz from most of events, scopley just "balanced" and gated things around those changes by removing the release of character via campaign events where we could farm orbs for a character and so on.
    A bit of awareness man, you are a grown up, not a teenager, not every thought that cross your mind need to be put in a video on UA-cam for controversial views.
    Maybe think how you can do better instead of talking about how other people can do more and saying that the best you can do is to change your review in the google store and I am trying to be respectful because I do watch your content and I do find value in it, hope you'll see it as a constructive criticism.

    • @Tauna
      @Tauna  5 місяців тому +2

      I mean, that's the thing. I am doing these things. I am telling them how awful they are, and how bad this is. Repeatedly. As well as encouraging you guys to change your reviews, stop spending and everything.
      I have not said anything about removing Blitz or Event Campaigns. In fact, I've shared feedback that it's awful that they removed the event campaigns and reduced the shards we get.
      There's also a big difference between me, one CC with an audience that I'm talking to, and the Player Voice who represents so many alliances and players, and says they represent the full player base.

    • @disappointing8213
      @disappointing8213 5 місяців тому

      @@Taunacouldn’t agree more

    • @MatanelCation
      @MatanelCation 5 місяців тому +2

      @Tauna I'm not comparing between you and PVM, can they do more? Sure, do I think they became complacent? Absolutely, do I feel that they don't actually cater for all sides of the community? Most certainly, but do I blame them? No, I blame the game, I don't blame the player.
      You just need to look at how last 2 directors preformed in the DC mobile game they were in charge to understand that the real problem is at the very top of the game.
      Regarding what you said you are doing, well, they do the same, what do you want them to do?, have you thought about contacting them and advise them on way for things to improve?, have you thought about anything besides complaining to scopley and actually doing something actively?, if the answer is no, then I don't think you are the right person to complain about this issue.
      Regarding what I said about the campaign events, you misunderstood me, because they added characters to stores and to more orbs, they have removed such way of releases as a way to "balance" just to give us the player the "feeling" that now a character is in a store so it's just up to us to farm it.
      Just to give you a reference for activity - in swogh, couple of months ago, the second largest guild cluster decided that for 3 months they are not going to participate in one of the alliance modes (our alliance war), did it changed anything? Hack no, they barely got a response, but that was an amazing effort.
      Spending ban never works, but engagement ban can be arranged, will you be willing to push entire alliances and group of players to stop playing crucible until the trophy issue will be fixed?
      Did you think about pushing for not engaging in spotlight raids until they will remove the tags?
      Did you think about pushing for not participating in cap Britain showcase and the legendary event that the illuminati will be needed for?, because if people will not engage in crucible anymore, the people that bought Cap Britain won't actually have the advantage they searched for because you can't smash an opponent that didn't came to play.

  • @addysional
    @addysional 5 місяців тому

    I like the game but they're improving stuff oh so slowly. I get it that it isnt an instant fix situation but its almost as if the biggest part of their focus lays in releasing new teams and making profits
    They could lay more focus on making the game better instead of making the game bigger

  • @risingpath
    @risingpath 5 місяців тому +4

    MSFPV, can only scream so much. Ultimately, Scopely holds the cards sadly.

  • @nathanbuller4190
    @nathanbuller4190 5 місяців тому

    i only spent twice on this game never again very close to quitting i only upgrade characters i like to upgrade right now, played since day 1 but did take 1 18 month break, may do again if this continues. I miss the old ways to unlock characters, but what is the point when next month that teams replaced? marvel future fight has the same issue too, but nowhere near as bad. FIX THE GAME SCOPELY!

  • @AdamLanger-qm1zg
    @AdamLanger-qm1zg 5 місяців тому

    This is my line in the sand. If they don’t back on this tragedy I’m deleting the game.

  • @BRB-dc4us
    @BRB-dc4us 5 місяців тому +1

    Tauna, it’s really sad that you felt you had nothing better to do and put out content like this. You were part of the leadership of MSFPV in the beginning and were very adamantly against ever doing any sort of Spending Strike of putting out bad app reviews and yet now you’re throwing the movement under the bus for what - Your own worthless views? You’re an envoy and you had an equal opportunity to lodge your protests against this unlock method and had the same results as the council did. You are a content creator and you have a platform and over 8k members on your discord server and 18k followers here and yet you chose to insult the work of the MSFPV instead of using your own platform here to push for change. This is a prime example of what’s wrong with the community, pointing fingers at each other instead of at the real issues at hand which is Scopely’s decision making. You full well know that spending strikes don’t work, you can’t get the people that spend on board with it (especially since this impacts only the F2P and low spenders) AND review bombing never works because both Apple and Google have tech in place to prevent a large body of massive negative reviews from impacting an app as that can be perceived as being caused by bots. Why not work with the other envoys and the MSFPV directly instead of posting a dumb video and find ways together to come up with solutions instead of just pointing fingers. So sad, never recommend for anyone to watch your content anymore as a result.

    • @Tauna
      @Tauna  5 місяців тому

      Sorry, can you please provide evidence of me saying that I didn't want people to change their rating on the App Store? I've suggested that numerous times when the game has gone to shit.

  • @joseirimia
    @joseirimia 5 місяців тому +1

    Previous movements presented some demands and as leverage proposed boycott like stop spending or review bombing. Had a limited, but caused an impact when enough people followed it. The current movent didn't need a leverage because was born during the massive exodus of players after apocalypse release. Scopely was eager to please to avoid that hemorrhage. Now that need is gone, so the voice is irrelevant.

  • @RabbitMSF
    @RabbitMSF 5 місяців тому +3

    You do know that PV do all this on their own free time and do not get paid for all the work they put in. You have a fellow envoy that is a major contributor to the PV. Very disrespectful of you to say that they need to do more.

  • @iFlo5
    @iFlo5 5 місяців тому +1

    It‘s always been a Whale‘s Voice and was rather formed to give the regular player the illusion of Scopely listening to our feedback

  • @hmtnl
    @hmtnl 5 місяців тому +3

    bark, what bark, more like meow

  • @marcusdavis1650
    @marcusdavis1650 5 місяців тому

    Not for nothing getting a toon to 4 stars is 100 bucks ..five stars way more expensive and then if your spending on anything else in the game like passes or anything else I mean cmon??????

  • @GMAN9256
    @GMAN9256 5 місяців тому +4

    Yes let’s pretend that they own boundless and blame them😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @disappointing8213
      @disappointing8213 5 місяців тому

      They outlined a plan to make scopely listen and now scopely is not listening and they aren’t executing the aforementioned plan. Instead they are giving up and moving on

  • @disappointing8213
    @disappointing8213 5 місяців тому +3

    All the supporters of the players voice movement are coming out in droves to hate on you Tauna, but you’re completely right. They are actually DOING anything. They just talk and talk but don’t actually make any meaningful change. And when you talk about it they spend more time attacking you than attacking Scopely’s bad practices. Don’t listen to the hate. The players outside the movement agree with you. And thank you for speaking up about it.

  • @DogbertCardsandGamingSupport
    @DogbertCardsandGamingSupport 5 місяців тому +6

    Omg how can you attack the whale voice movement they did so much for us! Look at all that gold we have! Look at all because of the whale voice movement.
    Now in all seriousness you are a bit late to the party tauna. I went down this road pointed out the bs of screwply and how useless the whale voice movement is.
    Simply put the community won’t do anything cause I got to make my epeen bigger I might lose war or cc wwwwwaaaaahhhhh.
    Its hopeless honestly better off to retire and move on from screwply

  • @Procrastigaming
    @Procrastigaming 5 місяців тому

    Ok so why aren’t the envoys fixing it? Because you have no power, same as the MSFPV, grow up Tauna, and use your influence to help get people on board with the players voice, so together we can work on making this game better, instead of causing constant divides, any respect I had for you has been lost

  • @abo7628
    @abo7628 5 місяців тому

    Uninstall

  • @balding2early
    @balding2early 5 місяців тому +1

    Yawn

  • @DrD313
    @DrD313 5 місяців тому

    This is a garbage take.