this is the only Q&A episode where you didn't do that deadpan stare into my soul in the thumbnail, really glad to know i wasn't being indirectly threatened to watch the video this time, but i still did, i suppose i'm just conditioned now! great content as always
This is going to make for some interesting dinner conversation! I can always count on learning something educational and you make it interesting, not dry and boring (looking at you, Mrs. Sanchez!) I sincerely hope that you receive as much joy this season as you've brought to us throughout the year.
For people interested in Sol Invictus, Religionforbreakfast has a very interesting video on it. He also might be an interesting guest for the Toldinstone Podcast, just saying!;)
From what I have heard and read? The way Christmas was celebrated before the modern era was as a wild Saturnalia like Festival involving lots of drinking.
Really enjoyed your piece on Roman jewelry...How exactly...if it is known...were signet rings...seals and gemstones engraved in such incredible and minute detail at that scale...such as the recently discovered Warrior of Pylos as an example... presumably without the aid of magnification... the engravers eyesight must have been godlike... was some form of convex mirror used...and what types of engraving tools were used...how was this done... thanks again for your unique and very original channel
The whole "mathematically perfect life" thing is at odds with what the Bible actually says. In Luke 2:5 it refers to Mary being "great with child" (about ready to pop) as the Romans were going about collecting their taxes. The Romans tended to do this in the Spring just as we do. So Jesus was either born in the spring or early summer.
Wonderful as always... covering various scholarly divergent opinions and alternatives... because often there isn't a single definitive answer to be found...and two questions...if you had one day to spend in the ancient world I'm curious where when and with whom might that be...and the Toldinstone backdrop is I believe the Oracle at Dudona in Epirus is there any special reason... Thanks for the wonderful content... Happy Holidays and stay warm!
Thanks for another great video! I'm curious if Constantine had anything to do with the association of the day of Sol Invictus with Christmas. As I'm sure you know, Constantine was a fan of that deity. Was the 9-month gestation of Jesus from March 25 to Dec 25 a justification for the date of Christmas before the Edict of Milan or afterwards, when Constantine may have had more influence over church issues? I ask this out of curiosity of possible influences one way or the other.
The whole "mathematically perfect life" thing is at odds with what the Bible actually says. In Luke 2:5 it refers to Mary being "great with child" (about ready to pop) as the Romans were going about collecting their taxes. The Romans tended to do this in the Spring just as we do. So Jesus was either born in the spring or early summer.
wow saturnalia was multiple days? that seems really socially awkward to maintain status reversal for so long..but then i'm not even sure i could cosplay anything well anyway...
How did the Romans assimilate cultures that they conquered, like the Gaullic, Thracian, Illyrian, Iberian, and other cultures on the Italian peninsula, which don't directly survive today. And why did the Basque people specifically seem to avoid this?
What is your comment on the coin found where they thought it was fake but deeper research shown it was a regional coin minted by a local general in Bohemia or east slavic region? Bulgaria - What is your comment about this news on THIS Roman coins found researched - youtube title [Gold coin proves 'fake' Roman emperor was real] - BBC News
And please buy my worldwide best-selling book, 'Naked Statues, Erect Gladiators and Crusty, Smelly Coins" - only $135.00 US for a special Holiday Season price. First ten purchasers as of 10:00 PM this evening will get a FREE Roman coin, worth about, well, almost nothing. But it's the thought that counts!
The birthday of the Sun or the Son lowest and darkest so the Sun died for three days and then did resurrect. was it the Sun who died for 3 days or the Son the resurrection and the calibration of easter or Ishtar when life began 21 of march
I didn't find the explanation satisfactory. You've explained why early Christians chose the specific date, the 25th, to make sense with their religion. But you haven't adequately explained that they did not absorb saturnalia into the new celebration of Xmas. In fact you gave several examples of similarities and the only reason it's not the same thing is the date. I have always thought that early Christians used existing festivals and layered over their festivals to make transition easier. Which makes the most logistical sense. Your saying they asked local people to stop celebrating what they always did and just adopt a new, unrelated celebration. Doesn't it make more sense that they just included, ad hoc, parts of various local traditions to make the transition to Christianity easier. Christmas isn't just saturnalia but rather all European traditions of pagan celebrations of the Winter solstice.
The whole "mathematically perfect life" thing is at odds with what the Bible actually says. In Luke 2:5 it refers to Mary being "great with child" (about ready to pop) as the Romans were going about collecting their taxes. The Romans tended to do this in the Spring just as we do. So Jesus was either born mid-late spring or early summer.
Missing the fact that the Solstice was also a holiday, dedicated to Mithras, the Sun God of the Roman Legion that competed with Christianity for a century or two. What you hooked on to in your research is the Christian excuses and material on the timing etc. you need to dig deeper into the period Roman material before Christianity takeover.
Here comes some arguing: The Holy Roman Church used pagan holidays as ways to bridge pagans over to Christ in so many examples that the Saturnalia is MUCH MORE likely to be another example of that than any other explanation. MHO.
"The birthday of the sun was celebrated in Rome with chariot races... but that's not really too distinctive." I like the deadpan humor here. Of course the Romans celebrated everything with a chariot race!
this is the only Q&A episode where you didn't do that deadpan stare into my soul in the thumbnail, really glad to know i wasn't being indirectly threatened to watch the video this time, but i still did, i suppose i'm just conditioned now! great content as always
This is going to make for some interesting dinner conversation! I can always count on learning something educational and you make it interesting, not dry and boring (looking at you, Mrs. Sanchez!) I sincerely hope that you receive as much joy this season as you've brought to us throughout the year.
This channel is a gem.
For people interested in Sol Invictus, Religionforbreakfast has a very interesting video on it. He also might be an interesting guest for the Toldinstone Podcast, just saying!;)
Love this video
Thanks for all of the great content.
Happy Holidays! Thanks for this. It's very helpful!
From what I have heard and read? The way Christmas was celebrated before the modern era was as a wild Saturnalia like Festival involving lots of drinking.
Very cool! Thanks for shedding much light on this subject!
"Julklapp" The klap was a knock on the door and the inexpensive gag-present; often a piece of firewood. God Jul! 🎄
Stay warm and safe! ♥️
Happy holidays to you too.
The days are getting brighter, that's why we're all celebrating!
Merry Christmas! Let's see if I get your book as a gift!
Very interesting, thanks for sharing! You’re my favorite content creator Merry Christmas
This is an awesome video - I am reading up on Saturnalia now. 🎄🎄
Io Saturnalia and Merry Christmas to you as well, and thanks for all the wonderful content
Really enjoyed your piece on Roman jewelry...How exactly...if it is known...were signet rings...seals and gemstones engraved in such incredible and minute detail at that scale...such as the recently discovered Warrior of Pylos as an example... presumably without the aid of magnification... the engravers eyesight must have been godlike... was some form of convex mirror used...and what types of engraving tools were used...how was this done... thanks again for your unique and very original channel
The March 25, Annunciation, "perfect" years and months approach is what I find most convincing. Of course, I like videos that confirm my thoughts. 😊
The whole "mathematically perfect life" thing is at odds with what the Bible actually says. In Luke 2:5 it refers to Mary being "great with child" (about ready to pop) as the Romans were going about collecting their taxes. The Romans tended to do this in the Spring just as we do. So Jesus was either born in the spring or early summer.
Same in WNY, same
Thank you!
Did Romans ever defect and fight on the side of those that Rome was at war with? If so, are there any famous examples?
Wonderful as always... covering various scholarly divergent opinions and alternatives... because often there isn't a single definitive answer to be found...and two questions...if you had one day to spend in the ancient world I'm curious where when and with whom might that be...and the Toldinstone backdrop is I believe the Oracle at Dudona in Epirus is there any special reason... Thanks for the wonderful content... Happy Holidays and stay warm!
Are you typing this through a telegram!? What's with all the ellipses?
It's all...the blanks...
It's just the way I write... Happy Holidays
@@malcolmcurran6248 Well try to be better, Boomer.
I'll do my best... thanks 🙏
Happy festivus
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Thanks for another great video! I'm curious if Constantine had anything to do with the association of the day of Sol Invictus with Christmas. As I'm sure you know, Constantine was a fan of that deity. Was the 9-month gestation of Jesus from March 25 to Dec 25 a justification for the date of Christmas before the Edict of Milan or afterwards, when Constantine may have had more influence over church issues? I ask this out of curiosity of possible influences one way or the other.
The whole "mathematically perfect life" thing is at odds with what the Bible actually says. In Luke 2:5 it refers to Mary being "great with child" (about ready to pop) as the Romans were going about collecting their taxes. The Romans tended to do this in the Spring just as we do. So Jesus was either born in the spring or early summer.
wow saturnalia was multiple days? that seems really socially awkward to maintain status reversal for so long..but then i'm not even sure i could cosplay anything well anyway...
How did the Romans assimilate cultures that they conquered, like the Gaullic, Thracian, Illyrian, Iberian, and other cultures on the Italian peninsula, which don't directly survive today. And why did the Basque people specifically seem to avoid this?
yes
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This does leave out the Lord of Misrule and the Feast of Fools...which have remarkable similarities, but no documented direct decent from Saturnalia.
Catherine Nixey points out Saturnalia had Holly
IO PAN! to you too
What is your comment on the coin found where they thought it was fake but deeper research shown it was a regional coin minted by a local general in Bohemia or east slavic region? Bulgaria - What is your comment about this news on THIS Roman coins found researched - youtube title [Gold coin proves 'fake' Roman emperor was real] - BBC News
And please buy my worldwide best-selling book, 'Naked Statues, Erect Gladiators and Crusty, Smelly Coins" - only $135.00 US for a special Holiday Season price. First ten purchasers as of 10:00 PM this evening will get a FREE Roman coin, worth about, well, almost nothing. But it's the thought that counts!
The comments (up to this point in time) are hilarious.
I heard that Mitra was born also 25th of December...
May your winter be kvlt and grim.
Did Romans have hobbies?
The birthday of the Sun or the Son
lowest and darkest so the Sun died for three days and then did resurrect.
was it the Sun who died for 3 days or the Son
the resurrection and the calibration of easter or Ishtar when life began 21 of march
As someone born on March 25th, I find this quite entertaining.
I didn't find the explanation satisfactory. You've explained why early Christians chose the specific date, the 25th, to make sense with their religion. But you haven't adequately explained that they did not absorb saturnalia into the new celebration of Xmas.
In fact you gave several examples of similarities and the only reason it's not the same thing is the date.
I have always thought that early Christians used existing festivals and layered over their festivals to make transition easier.
Which makes the most logistical sense.
Your saying they asked local people to stop celebrating what they always did and just adopt a new, unrelated celebration.
Doesn't it make more sense that they just included, ad hoc, parts of various local traditions to make the transition to Christianity easier.
Christmas isn't just saturnalia but rather all European traditions of pagan celebrations of the Winter solstice.
Go Jesus
He went alright.
Birth of the Sun seems like an easy transition to the Birth of the Son. Thanks for this video.
Only in Germanic languages
The whole "mathematically perfect life" thing is at odds with what the Bible actually says. In Luke 2:5 it refers to Mary being "great with child" (about ready to pop) as the Romans were going about collecting their taxes. The Romans tended to do this in the Spring just as we do. So Jesus was either born mid-late spring or early summer.
Jesus was probably born In March for these reasons and some more
The bible says that Gabriel came to Mary in the 6th month. Can’t be march
Missing the fact that the Solstice was also a holiday, dedicated to Mithras, the Sun God of the Roman Legion that competed with Christianity for a century or two.
What you hooked on to in your research is the Christian excuses and material on the timing etc. you need to dig deeper into the period Roman material before Christianity takeover.
But did the Jews go to the movies and eat Chinese food during Saturnalia?
germany cele rates more 24.12 evening.
Here comes some arguing: The Holy Roman Church used pagan holidays as ways to bridge pagans over to Christ in so many examples that the Saturnalia is MUCH MORE likely to be another example of that than any other explanation. MHO.
"The birthday of the sun was celebrated in Rome with chariot races... but that's not really too distinctive."
I like the deadpan humor here. Of course the Romans celebrated everything with a chariot race!
well they had to make up some Christian explanation why they chose to do it on Saturnalia.