Repertoire That EVERY Pianist Should Have!
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
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Today: talking about the most essential repertoire that every aspiring pianist should have!
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:18 Competitions
1:50 Competitions: Round I
5:20 Competitions: Round II
9:07 Competitions: Round III
11:05 60 Minutes Recitals
Imagine playing 4'33 as a contemporary piece :D
Wish someone did that so I could see the reaction
@@PianoTechSupport i can't think about how any jury would react if anyone did, imagine risking your acceptance percentage just to do that 🤣 but if it is played along with hammerklavier & sonata b-moll (either liszt or chopin) i think there's still hope 🤔
@@Armissimo I think one wouldnt even get that far, they would probably say something when you submit the repertoire to the competition :S
What about playing Satie’s Vexations 🎉
@@vatican2397 hahahah, everyone would have been dead after it's played 840 times.
Here is my piano repertoire including pieces I have learnt or plan to learn:
Bach: Prelude and Fugue in G minor, Book 2
Chopin: Prelude op. 25 no. 4
Rachmaninoff: Etude op. 39 no. 1
Mozart: Sonata in F major K 332
Chopin: Polonaise-Fantasie (If it is too long then polonaise op. 44)
Beethoven: Sonata op. 101
Ravel: Miroirs
Messiaen: Prelude no. 8
Ravel: Concerto in G major
That’s it?
That don’t look realist ,you have like 1 piece for each level of piano but don’t tell me you was a complete beginner and started whit chopin prelude no 4 and then went to a mozart sonata,and you learned like 3 piece easy-advanced nd the rest is pro pianist level,expect if you only said the ones you remember to play (in the case you forgot your first etudes or pièces) this is impossible
This is all just a recommended rep. Mine would start by periods I want to master Bach start with Anna's beginning Bach, then start on the 2 part inventions 8 is a good starting place then 1 those two are most popular. I like 13 and 4 . All 15 should be learned before starting on the three part. Then the well tempered klav. They are in all the keys. Once all learned then try for the harder pieces like fugues and partitas . Once that period you can do other composers Handel and so forth. Beethoven is one you have to dance around movements it's best to learn the easier slow movements I know people don't like starting on the second movements first but I think in level of difficulty would be a better approach. Beethoven is fun to play scherzos they live up to their name. Well I will continue when I decide where I want to go from Beethoven. Mozart and Schubert are some suggestions but I will have to look through the books to come up with a curriculum I have no idea yet. 73
Fun fact: here in Italian conservatories, a contemporary piece is something like Brahms or Rach, and those contemporaries that you mentioned aren't even contemplated as composers
This somewhat explains my Italian piano teacher's aversion to anything after then.
@@erikrobinson2547 and she's right
@@MiScusi69 She actually.
Their loss
@@thibomeurkens2296 L for you W for the Italian people as an Italian.
A version of this for intermediate pianists would be welcome. So easy concerti, balanced rep, popular intermediate works...
He just said the Grieg Piano Concerto was easy so I really doubt this guy would be able to do something like that.
Hey, dont start a war over here ;)
@@chrisoconnor9521 Grieg pc is the easiest romantic concerto bruh
@@Trooman20 yeah it's so easy to get round all the technical challenges and musicianship difficulties and still make it ones own rather than merely copying others or just bashing notes out.
And this isn't even taking into consideration the vast number of other OBSCURE concerti that exist...
@@chrisoconnor9521 you're missing the point completely
As you recommend I'd build my repertoire with these :
1) Bach prélude et fugue No2 en C minor
2) Chopin's Op10no6 & Op25No11
3) Rachmaninov Étude tableau Op39 No5
4) Mozart's Sonata 8
5) Chopin's Ballade No4 Op52
6) Beethoven's sonata op57 appassionata
7) Ravel - Gaspard de la nuit
8) Debussy Cathédrale engloutie
9/ Rachmaninov's piano concerto No2 Op18
What do you think about it ?
Really good Repertoire and high level!
Good list but Debussy isn't exactly contemporary...
@@PianoTechSupport thank you !! 😊
@@leonlinton634 It's modern but I don't know a lot of contemporary challenging pieces 😅
i cannot express how thankful i am for these kinds of videos. They give direction instead of blindly attempting to learn new pieces i find that i enjoy
Thank you!! Also I made a video like this for intermediate repertoire :)
Kind of odd that the C major Bach Prelude and Fugue from Book II didn't meet the requirement because it's only a three voice fugue. Yet the Prelude is one of the "busiest" 4 voice preludes. It stands out in my memory as all four voices are active throughout the piece. Kind of unusual for Bach to not have a voice drop out for awhile.
I listened several of your videos. I love them, you are to the points and very informative too.
Your channel is extremely insightful! Thank you so much!
My pleasure!
following your recommendations I create these repertoire for the first round: :
1: BWV 847, 851 or 855
2: chopin etudes: op 10 7/11 and op 25 no 12
3: lidzt etude: Un sospiro
4: sonata: Haydn E flat major/ Mozart no 8
5 romantic piece: Ballade no 1, Scherzo no 3 or Hungarian rhapsody no 2
is it correct or would you change something?
Very nice video. Thank you!
Glad you liked it!!
My current programme (a mixture of reheating and new) for a solo recital as follows:
Haydn Sonata A-flat Hob 46
Chopin (selections of Nocturnes and Mazurkas, if in apt. context, I would play his Op. 10 no. 1/10/11 if need be)
Chopin Op. 39 Scherzo and Op. 54
Beethoven Op. 7 Sonata in E-flat
Scriabin Sonata No. 4 Op. 30
Liszt H. Rhapsody 12 (or 9, haven't decided to reheat or to learn yet)
A lot of main courses in this programme, and I'm still wishing to fit in a Bach suite in substitute for one of the larger works.
Very objective and useful video, thank you!
How difficult should the Haydn sonata be? Is henle 6 scale ok? I mean the Haydn sonata. In d Major. Or should you learn a more difficult one? And is that kind of Repertoire also for a intermediate pianist OR just advanced one?
1) would Chopin's Heroic polonaise op 53 fit in the 7-10 min romantic works? It's generally a bit shorter
2) would Beethoven's op 111 sonata work? It's "only" two movements
These two I'd love to play and have prepared, so I want to know whether I need to prepare something else "just to be safe"
I'd also learn a scherzo or ballade to be safe because I think heroic polonaise is too short to fit that category. op 111 is a fantastic choice though
I found out (quite late unfortunately haha 😄 ) that everything under 7 minutes has less "use" in competitions, exams and so on. they make great encores for recitals and concerts OR are great in sets; for example if you were to play 3 polonaises it would make sense in a recital.
Any comments or suggestions on this rep for a solo recital?
Preude and Fugue No. 21 in Bb (JS Bach)
Prelude and Fugue No. 2 in C Minor (JS Bach)
Sonata No. 8 in C Minor, Op. 13 (LV Beethoven)
Etude Op. 10 No. 1 in C Major (F Chopin)
Etude Op. 25 No. 12 in C Minor (F Chopin)
Intermezzo Op. 118 No. 2 (J Brahms)
Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini, Variation 18 (arr. solo piano M Loveridge)
Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 16 (E Grieg)
I've read that you dislike having Chopin and Brahms in one concert. May I know why? I'm not terribly mature when it comes to being an effective narrator in music.
Hi there! Repertoire sounds really good. BTW; I always bundle Bach preludes & Chopin etudes / any other kind of etudes together. there are two schools of thought, some might do the concert chronologically, or some might do it more depending on the matter / theme - if you play Bach preludes and chopin etudes, its best to have them next to each other in the program, because bachs preludes and fugues were also originally called by Bach himself "48 exercises in all different keys" - same as the chopin etudes in a way.
About the Brahms / Chopin thing, dont mind that too much, just a personal opinion of mine. Both express very similar things , similarly to Scriabin (early Scriabin) and Chopin - not sure how to feel about having those two in the same concert, i would rather have a strong contrast between my works.
Opinions on a Gershwin concerto at competition? For example, the Cliburn offers Rhapsody in Blue and Concerto in F.
What's your opinion in Mendelssohn 1 in this context? It's a beautiful concerto ofc but I feel like it might be on the easy side
Well here's mine:
1. I'm nor really fond of playing and especially memorizing Bach, only ever played с minor from book 1, but since it doesn't work due to 3 voices in the fugue, let it be а sharp minor from
book 1, at least it's short
2. Op 25 n11, and either Op 10 n 4 or Op 10 n 12
3. Liszt Mazeppa
4. Mozart Sonata n 8 a minor
5. Liszt Mephisto waltz n1
6. Beethoven sonata n 17 "Tempest"
7. Perhaps Schumann: Sonata No.1 in F-sharp minor, Op.11, not sure yet, maybe you can give me some advice?)
8. No idea
9. Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.5. Also Saint-Saëns n 2, Beethoven 4 and Prok 2 and 3 are among the options, Mendelssohn g minor and Grieg a minor I've played, but they are known for being "easy", so perhaps I have to rule them out
What do you think? I'll be happy to hear your opinion and advice
Dang he is so underrated
I am doing a senior recital this May, and it has no requirements, but I want to play my favorite/best pieces that I've learned/am learning. Do you have any advice on the order I should play my pieces? I was thinking of playing Bach Prelude and Fugue 1 in C major, Beethoven's Opus 27 n. 2 (all 3 movements), Chopin's Scherzo n. 2, Debussy's Arabesque N. 1, Golliwog's Cakewalk by Debussy, Ravel's Prélude, Satie's Gymnopédie 1, Gershwin's Prelude n. 1.
Then, I also have a piano duet from last year (gershwin impromptu variations on I got rhythm), a piano ensemble this year (Stars and Stripes forever for 4 pianos arr. Mack Wilberg), a piano and violin duet (final duet from omori), and my teacher wants me to do a french horn quartet because I play horn at my high school. So those are the pieces I want to perform, but I'm a little lost on the order I should do. I wanted to organize it roughly by time period, but I also thought it'd be nice if I ended on the Scherzo because once that's fully learned, it'll be my best piece. I was also debating on Debussy's arabesque being the last piece because it was the first one I learned during highschool and with this teacher, and it is a sweet, slightly nostalgic piece. 🤷♂️
Im going to try to work with what you gave here, but I can tell you that personally I would never allow this kind of repertoire in one recital to happen haha, no disrespect but you are all over the place here. I understand that you are playing your best works but I think every recital no matter what or where, how big or how small, nowadays should have a bigger idea or interesting thought. In your case it sounds like you do have a nice potential theme for the recital, the early & late impressionistic works (debussy, satie, ravel, gershwin... now thats a recital i would attend!)
but anyways, this doesnt work with bach, beethoven, chopin and everything else going on.
my advice is that you go chronologically and embed the chamber music in between, whenever it appears. this is far better than having a solo piano part, then a chamber music part seperately.
personally i think, seeing that now your concept would be "a trip through time in music" the worst you could do is then make a detour at the end on debussy or scherzo.
But if you must do so, then play Debussy at the end. its far more fitting than Chopin.
hope this helped.
I'm planning on giving a recital at the end of the year and the program I have in mind is:
Beethoven Appassionata
Ravel Valses nobles et sentimentales
Brahms Handel Variations
in that order. Do you have any opinions on a program like that? My other option would be to substitute the Brahms for Scriabin 4th Sonata and Liszt Rigoletto, but I feel much more strongly about the Brahms both in terms of personal preferences and effectiveness in a program. The issue is I feel like the Brahms might be a bit stylistically similar to Beethoven (although they are vastly different pieces of music).
I love the choices! I would personally start with the ravel. May seem like not a chronological choice but the pieces are a better warm up and also way to start a concert. Just my opinion though!
Great video !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Joplin? Nazareth? Just wondering about your opinion on these composers. Not really competition material, of course.
I have a recital coming up and the current program is:
Mozart Sonata in E-flat
Bach/Brahms Chaconne
Debussy Estampes
Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody 6
played in that order. I'm still selecting the final piece and am debating between Chopin's 2nd Ballade, Ravel's Sonatine, and Prokofiev's Pieces Op. 4. I think the Chopin would be best because the Ravel would feel too similar to Debussy, while the Prokofiev would feel inappropriate (I want to present a diverse program but also one that is coherent). Do you have any suggestions for me, even other pieces? Thank you.
Also, I've read through all of those pieces and they all seem to be manageable.
excellent repertoire, very good concert. Normally i would see Brahms & Chopin and say, NO! never. I could never put those two in the same concert, But of course, this is a bach transcription of the chaconne, so its Brahms as an editor not as a composer. So it would make perfect sense to end on the 2nd ballade. good choice! btw if you want to go through the pieces with me , i also give individual lessons ( check link in description) cheers!
What about a Schubert sonata instead of Mozart (Mozart can be really problematic and reveals all shortcomings.)
Should I include Schumann Kindersehen in solo recital in competitions? Is it meet the requirement difficulty in such competitions?
For solo recitals I think it's okay, but for competitions I think it's too easy to take up 20 minutes of your program.
I’m auditioning for college this winter (music therapy) and I need to choose 2 songs of different styles. Any advice on what should I choose?
My rep to choose from (as of right now): Bach prelude + fugue in Ab major, Beethoven op 90 (first movement, might learn second movement), and Chopin op 25 no 7 (“cello Etude”)
I’ve also worked on Ginestera’s Danza de la Mosa Donosa and Prokofiev’s visions fugitives no.s 1,8, and 11, but I’m not entirely sure about these. They don’t seem as impressive
The difficulty seems to vary a lot with these. If you just need 2 different styles of pieces to present, I'd go for something that contrasts a lot. Beethoven and Ginastera, for example. But this is a very broad assessment, and I'd have to know you better to make an accurate decision. You can check out my coaching if you're interested, info on my website -Pts
In this very useful video you mention a larger (20-30 min) work of free choice for a '2nd round', so to speak (as in a competition). For that category, can we consider, for the sake of repertoire building, a 'set' or 'cycle' of pieces like Fantasiestücke op. 12 by Schumann or Visions fugitives op. 22 by Prokofiev? Or even a Bach's suite or partita?
I've seen Bach-Busoni Chaconne performed at competitions before. Would this fall under the category of a bigger piece (20-30 minutes)?
Yes, I would say so! its a great choice btw.
@@PianoTechSupport it's a fantastic piece! I'm tinkering on my competition repertoire currently. Do you have any recommendations on a romantic piece that's 8-10 minutes long, except for the ones mentioned in the video?
ahh I've forgotten how good your videos were. I'm back now though! :D
Tysm:)
Does anyone know repertoire that falls into the 15-20 minutes standalone category but that is at an intermediate level
I shall do a video on intermediate stuff too! give me time :D so many video ideas
@@PianoTechSupport I’ll be on the lookout thank you!
Pathetique sonata by Beethoven
Really really good video
glad to hear it :D
Someone do this for violin.
I might know someone who can 😂👌
Would Brahms Piano Concerto No. 2 be a good concerto for the competitions? I’m not quite sure. By the way, this was a really useful video!
Brahms 2 is the hardest concerto of the ones in traditional repertoire, so if you have so much time to practice it, then yes, but otherwise no. Exception : some competitions might not offer it (it's also challenging for orchestra and they'd have to prepare and rehearse more)
@@PianoTechSupport Alright, it’s one of my favorites and I think I might be ready to tackle it. I’m not attending any competitions soon, but all this information is really helpful for the future!
I would also add Nikolai Kapustin’s Piano Concert Etudes
True, those are so nice.
5:10 do you think liszt's vallee d'obermann would be able to fill in the role of a romantic work? asking this because its a little long and weird
Hmm maybe a bit too long, I remember it very well from colleagues playing it about.. 15min? Maybe not the best choice
@@PianoTechSupport thanks for the quick reply, i think ill settle with a chopin scherzo
6:58 would something like liszt's sonata work there?
would toru takemitsu have anything possible for the contemporary part
oh yeah, the rain tree sketches are quite famous i think
Hi, I just found your channel sir
and it is awesome!
would you say great Fuge in g minor transcribed by Liszt could be one of the recommended pieces for me?
Thanks Nikanm! I'd have to know a little bit more about you to tell you my opinion, maybe you give some more details or email me for detailed opinions:)
Any ideas on the ordering for a mini concert with the following pieces?
Bach prelude and fugue in f sharp minor (the one from book 1)
Mozart sonata in d major
Chopin variation brillantes
Chopin ballade no.1
Debussy arabesque pagodes
Nice repertoire for a concert ! I'd do this:
Bach
Mozart
Chopin variations
Debussy
Chopin ballade 1 (because it's a better piece to finish with!!)
Next year I will have my first piano recital. Now me and my teacher havent discussed anything more than that yet, but I wonder what I am going to be playing and maybe you have an idea.
I will have two Beethoven sonatas ready, Waldstein and n.18, two Scarlatti sonatas(which arent really sonatas but yes) and 3 Bach Preludes and Fugues. I have a Brahms Rhapsody also, and a Chopin and Liszt etude as well, in addition to a big 15 minute Liszt piece. In terms of more modern repertoire, I have a single Debussy prelude and a piece of Rodion Shchedrin if you know him. Any opinions?(In general, nothing crazy, its quite early anyway...)
maybe a prokofiev sonata would be nice
@@khangmapiano For now Im pretty stacked with new repertoire so its a bit difficult to add a whole new sonata from a composer I havent really worked with before. I didnt mention it but Im also working on Prokofievs Piano Concerto N1 for some exams, but I cant really play that on a solo piano recital..
Thanks for the comment, it all depends on how long the recital should be! If it's an hour, then 2x Bach (8min?) + beet waldstein 22=30, then your big work by Liszt 15min = 45, followed by your Shchedrin (I know him) and something else potentially to make 55mins, so that at the end to finish your recital you play a liszt etude. That's the best way in my opinion
@@mariosvourliotakis778 maybe you could play that in a 2 piano version
@@PianoTechSupport Thanks a lot!
Hey, great information. Do you think Gaspard de la nuit by Ravel could work as level 7?
What exactly is level 7?
@@PianoTechSupport sorry, number 7) One "bigger" work of 20-30 minutes
@@peperojelio8266 ohh!!! of course! haha
Hello😊I'm thinking of playing Chopin's Op 26 No 2 Polonaise, a work from the Romantic period. The work exceeds 7 minutes. I think having such a work in my repertoire will be useful both in music competitions and in my future master's degree applications. Do you think it makes sense?
Sure it makes sense! It's a great piece 👌
Thank you🙂So, what do you think of The Tempest Sonata? I started working on my future master degree applications in Germany or austria? I think it's a very good sonata to get accepted by schools? What do you think?
Also my repertoire:
-J.S.Bach (Prelude and fugue book 2 no 2) and ( Prelude and fugue book 1 no 23.)
-Chopin etudes (Op.10 No 1 and 9)
-S.Rachmaninoff ( Op.23 No.5)
-F.schubert (Op.90 , No 2)
-L.v.Beethoven (Sonata op 79 no 25 and Op 31, No 2(tempest)
Actually these repertoire is great? What do you think?
What more do you think I should add to this repertoire? schools usually require 40 minutes of repertoire.
I would be very happy if you answer. I am waiting for your recommendations😊🙏
Could you talk about smaller performances please ?
Or exams for secondary school
sure, i think i could do a video about that!
What about a saint sean piano concerto ?
Probably depends on the contest like he said as they dont offer everything. Also, it may not be long enough to cut it...
I think number 2 is offered regularly, but also its a bit of an outside choice. i have heard it once in a competition though!
@@PianoTechSupport #2 is difficult.... i was thinking #3 or #5 which is probably even easier than Grieg..... (and more refreshing to learn)
Beethoven 3: "easier"
*laughs in double 4ths*
Easier than 5th for sure!
@@PianoTechSupport have you played them both?
@PianoTechSupport I have a question. I'm entering a competition that has the only concerto requirement as 'a concerto for piano and orchestra in the standard repertoire'. For this competition, would the 2nd Liszt concerto work? If not, what concerto would you recommend given the free choice? (something that is kind of in the same vain as the Liszt)
Yes, that sounds like it works 💪 it's a shorter concerto but a good one. If you have any beethoven concerto, those are usually bullet proof choices : 4 or 5 especially. Same for Chopin 1 and Tchaikovsky , always accepted & respected
@@PianoTechSupport Oh there’s one thing I need to add. In the previous edition of the competition in 2017 someone else got 2nd with that exact concerto. Would this take away from my performance if I were to play it?
You'd need to check if the jury is the same. But in my experience the repertoire makes less impact compared to performance. One competition I entered, someone played mozart A major, another rachmaninoff 3, another Tchaikovsky and the 2 others played chopin concertos. Mozart won. It really is about the playing at the end of the day
Got it, thanks a lot for the help!@@PianoTechSupport
As a beginner, watching this gives me a heart attack😂
Think of it more as *repertoire you can work towards* for the next years, in that case 😁😁😁
@@PianoTechSupport I'm learning the easier pieces in Schuman Album for the Young, Burgmuller op100, Bach prelude in C major and BWV939, some William Gillock pieces. Those in the video are way above my head. Can you please upload a video of good repertoire for late beginner/early intermediate level? thanks
I am about to start my bachelore studies for classical piano in a year and also got an heart attack lol... that showed me once again how much I still have to learn and what a long way is still ahead of me. But it sure is possible to reach this!
@@alzhang74 that was what I was learning a bit more then a year and a half ago. Now I’m learning my second Bach prelude and fugue, Mendelssohn prelude and fugue in E minor, Bartók allegro bárbaro and the Bach partita no. 2 and I’m thinking of some more complex pieces.
So yeah, it is possible to reach intermediate quite fast. But reaching advanced level will take more time.
@@alzhang74 be calm and press the keys
My hate for Bach makes me cringe at the Prelude in C requirement. Cool video, that's quite a difficult repertoire needed D:
youre not gonna make it
Man I feel like a talentless twat after watching this video
Noooo 😂 this video wasnt meant to bash on anyone. think of it more of what a semi-pro or someone who wants to go pro should have in his repertoire. im going to make a beginners version or intermediate version of this too.
Sorry did you just regard the Grieg concerto as ''easy''?????
Dude, not only should you be proposing repertoire from more obscure composers, you really need to have a better idea of ''easy''...
This is just the same old rubbish everyone says over and over again. Bor-ing.
Yes, I did! Grieg concerto is one of THE easiest concertos in the modern piano repertoire!
It is a very difficult piece of music generally, but "easy" when compared to other professional piano rep as well as for concertos.
@@jackdesmul7288 so by that logic most concerti prior to Brahms could be in the same category...yet it's ironic the poster talks about Beethoven sonatas ranked by difficulty and takes musicianship into consideration. Something which ought to be factored in here too. Double standards...
@@chrisoconnor9521 i think all things considered, grieg is really easy for concerto standard. of course it’s super hard for someone who’s not at this level yet but there is just no comparing it to the rach, beethoven… concerti
@@xqf868 yet you're comparing exclusively to the mainstream...as well as pretty much the wrong era if you're referencing Beethoven so your point is literally void now.