It's incredibly symbolic that Flying Scotsman and 3801 would cross each other and partner frequently during 4472's time down under. Both were famous green-painted Pacific locomotives, both came into service exactly twenty years apart from each other, both achieved notable feats for steam engines before and after preservation, both made daring feats in the year 1970 - Flying Scotsman was in the middle of its ill-fated nationwide USA tour while 3801 was making its epic run to Perth from Sydney across the Australian continent with 'The Western Endeavour'. It was an unintentional culmination that they finally met side-by-side. Regards, Samuel Farris.
Me too looks like the sequel to flying Scotsman tour in America has finally come the iconic Australia and British engines have crossover this is the moment we have waited for
I visited Walter's Flying Scotsman museum in Yarrambat several times as a kid in the few years before it closed. I recall the walls were covered in FS memorabilia, and the main room was dominated by a large HO scale model railway. The back yard was filled with several garden railways of various scales.
A most excellent production, neatly detailing the Australian trip in its entirety. Thank you for your efforts in putting this together. It’s funny, I was only watching The Unlucky Tugs video about the US tour yesterday and was wondering why we didn’t have one for here, turns out you were already on top of that!
Just brilliant. Thanks so much for this. I sent the link to my Australian railway buddies from Puffing Billy at Belgrave. They saw her in 1988/89 in Melbourne. What an adventure!
Mate, where to start. 10/10 work, this has been an excellent production. Some really great information, and footage I’ve never seen! You should be really proud of this video! Keep up the great work!
my Brother saw the Flying Scotsman in Alice Springs in the Middle of Australia, sadly the railway line to Darwin 1500 Kilometres north of Alice Springs had not been started yet, so that was the then Terminus of the Ghan Line.
I had a feeling someone was going to make a video like this. Well done for all your efforts. Flying Scotsman has such an interesting history, it´s surprising no one ever made a a TV of UA-cam series about it!
There had been one by the ABC Australia in the early 90’s and there had been rare videos of its visit by enthusiasts and other production companies of its visit.
@@NWR1991 Thanks for the info. I was actually thinking more in terms of a British Railway Series style of production with the full story of the locomotive though it would probably never happen as people would look at it and think ´trains with faces? It´s just a baby show. ´
Man I wish I could time travel back to 1988! Would’ve been a truly amazing time to be a Steam Train Enthusiast. I’ve always been fascinated about Scotsman’s Aussie tour. I learnt some new things that I didn’t know. Was a really enjoyable video. Great stuff mate 😃👍
You did a Fantasic job on this good sir, the detail you poured into this is absolutly brilliant. And your music chioices were perfecly chosen too, Especially Gustav holst's Jupiter for the final train Scotsman pulled, I got actual chills with that part
God I wish Aus Steam 88 was still possible to do with todays generation. (I was only a baby when it happen) But new laws and safety guidelines will never let it happen. :-(
We could do it again it's just Scotsmans won't be able to see as many steam engines interstate but will be able to run on the Adelaide to Melbourne line being converted to standard gauge in 95
I may not be a big fan of Flying Scotsman as she's not my favorite Pacific or UK steam engine, but I do find her tours of the US and Australia very interesting and one of the fascinating parts of her history aside from the place runs and places she's visited and records she has. Plus I only know of a few steam engines that have visited and or run in another country one of which will be doing another one in the future.
Despite several attempts to see it in the UK, I first saw the Scotsman and it's double heading partner 3801 in Kyogle during Easter 1989, where the tour train stopped for a couple of hours. Talking with the drivers they claimed 3801 did most of the hard yakka on the hilly and excessively curvy North Coast railway, due to it's superior gearing via it's smaller diameter driving wheels. Interestingly, as the Scotsman was undergoing its major refit in the 2010's, 3801 also underwent a massive refit from 2010 to 2021, including a new German boiler; returning to service early this year. We often hear it whistling of a weekend at Sutherland station, magic stuff! We need to restore our past so our future can learn. Finally, Bill McAlpine's family company made it's name building the Glenfinnan Viaduct on the Highland Fishing Line between Fort William and Mallaig. It was the first ever concrete viaduct in the world I believe, and earned fame & fortune as the viaduct the Hogwart's Express is seen to cross in a Harry Potter film.
I thought 3801's German boiler was shelved due to issues with the way it was constructed not meeting AU certification and they just rebuilt the original one at great expense? Edit to add context: please don't take what I'm saying as gospel, this is just what I've read over the years but, I believe the German boiler has either been shelved as a spare, or is going to be rebuilt to compliance for 3830s restoration.
God I with I was alive back then to see it he would have come buy not far from were I live also I know a museum that has the flying Scotsman shovel when the flying Scotsman came to victoria
I don't have the facts on why they don't do interstate trips anymore but I think it's maybe due to money in the end. The closest trip that would be almost interstate was 3801's visit to Albury during Easter 2021.
the different organisations require accreditation in any state they plan to run in which is expensive to have for a single run not to mention the different requirements for loco's and then the extra for crews in different states for the loco's which has the extra cost of driver training required, way cheaper and simple to run in a single state. one organisation in NSW(Picnic Train) has expressed interest in doing interstate trips given they have former Victorian Railways R class R766 which has been regauged and will be easier for crews to work on with there being 3 examples running in vic at the moment
@@lachlansmith1522 ok I see, but can I tell u that I am planning on showing the NSWRTM a project called "the western endeavor recreation" and one of my ideas is to use donation boxes (about the same size of a dining table chair) and 2 of them r for the logistic and insurance funds and the other is for the mainline and interstate funds.
It was in a 1988 issue of Newsrail that I bought from eBay a few years ago, I think it was their December issue as they were recapping the whole event.
Great video, my Father Bernard Staite was the managing director of Flying Scotsman Enterprises. Would it be possible to get a download copy of this film for my family archives, You maybe aware Dad passed away in April 2009.
@@daviobryker full size? There's several new (true) build projects in the UK. I say true as there's is a few extinct ex GWR classes that are being constructed using the remains from scrapped locos of common classes, as the GWR used very standardised designs. a few of the patterns used for the castings for Tornado's have been used to build the newbuild LNER B17, which is almost a 460 version of Scotsman. After the P2, the group are planning to build a new V4, which is a smaller version of Green Arrow, who said (real) steam is dead lol
It's incredibly symbolic that Flying Scotsman and 3801 would cross each other and partner frequently during 4472's time down under. Both were famous green-painted Pacific locomotives, both came into service exactly twenty years apart from each other, both achieved notable feats for steam engines before and after preservation, both made daring feats in the year 1970 - Flying Scotsman was in the middle of its ill-fated nationwide USA tour while 3801 was making its epic run to Perth from Sydney across the Australian continent with 'The Western Endeavour'. It was an unintentional culmination that they finally met side-by-side.
Regards, Samuel Farris.
Me too looks like the sequel to flying Scotsman tour in America has finally come the iconic Australia and British engines have crossover this is the moment we have waited for
That was a good show.
Flying Scotsman has a real hero's story to tell.
31:52 - 32:10 That incident could work perfectly for a new Thomas story idea.
I agree to that. His use of Thomas music throughout is actually a nice touch ^_^
I visited Walter's Flying Scotsman museum in Yarrambat several times as a kid in the few years before it closed. I recall the walls were covered in FS memorabilia, and the main room was dominated by a large HO scale model railway. The back yard was filled with several garden railways of various scales.
Wish it was still open. Would love to go there and see it for myself, after the way you've described it.
You put together an absolutely stellar soundtrack for this documentary, and an absolutely stellar documentary as well. Thank you for this.
A most excellent production, neatly detailing the Australian trip in its entirety. Thank you for your efforts in putting this together.
It’s funny, I was only watching The Unlucky Tugs video about the US tour yesterday and was wondering why we didn’t have one for here, turns out you were already on top of that!
Best flying Scotsman documentary EVER!!!!!
Just brilliant. Thanks so much for this. I sent the link to my Australian railway buddies from Puffing Billy at Belgrave. They saw her in 1988/89 in Melbourne. What an adventure!
Mate, where to start. 10/10 work, this has been an excellent production. Some really great information, and footage I’ve never seen! You should be really proud of this video! Keep up the great work!
my Brother saw the Flying Scotsman in Alice Springs in the Middle of Australia, sadly the railway line to Darwin 1500 Kilometres north of Alice Springs had not been started yet, so that was the then Terminus of the Ghan Line.
I had a feeling someone was going to make a video like this. Well done for all your efforts.
Flying Scotsman has such an interesting history, it´s surprising no one ever made a a TV of UA-cam series about it!
There had been one by the ABC Australia in the early 90’s and there had been rare videos of its visit by enthusiasts and other production companies of its visit.
@@NWR1991 Thanks for the info. I was actually thinking more in terms of a British Railway Series style of production with the full story of the locomotive though it would probably never happen as people would look at it and think ´trains with faces? It´s just a baby show. ´
I live in Junee NSW, and one of my uncles drove Scotsman and my poppy was a firefighter and refuelled the engine. Unfortunately both have passed away.
Man I wish I could time travel back to 1988! Would’ve been a truly amazing time to be a Steam Train Enthusiast.
I’ve always been fascinated about Scotsman’s Aussie tour. I learnt some new things that I didn’t know. Was a really enjoyable video. Great stuff mate 😃👍
I wish I could be in 1988 again & be 26 years old! Scotty in Oz was awesome - I was on board from Adelaide to Sydney with my dad....never forget it!
This was a fantastic documentary mate, well done.
You did a Fantasic job on this good sir, the detail you poured into this is absolutly brilliant.
And your music chioices were perfecly chosen too, Especially Gustav holst's Jupiter for the final train Scotsman pulled, I got actual chills with that part
God I wish Aus Steam 88 was still possible to do with todays generation.
(I was only a baby when it happen)
But new laws and safety guidelines will never let it happen. :-(
We could do it again it's just Scotsmans won't be able to see as many steam engines interstate but will be able to run on the Adelaide to Melbourne line being converted to standard gauge in 95
@@allstufftrainssa3618 Plus, run all the way up to Darwin.
@@allstufftrainssa3618 Could run the Steamranger loco's up to Mt Barker Junction as the train came through from Melbourne!
Truly a brilliant documetary on the Flying Scotsman's visit to Australia. :)
Flying Scotsman is one of my favourite locomotives.
I may not be a big fan of Flying Scotsman as she's not my favorite Pacific or UK steam engine, but I do find her tours of the US and Australia very interesting and one of the fascinating parts of her history aside from the place runs and places she's visited and records she has. Plus I only know of a few steam engines that have visited and or run in another country one of which will be doing another one in the future.
Absolutely love this video thank you for making it
Despite several attempts to see it in the UK, I first saw the Scotsman and it's double heading partner 3801 in Kyogle during Easter 1989, where the tour train stopped for a couple of hours. Talking with the drivers they claimed 3801 did most of the hard yakka on the hilly and excessively curvy North Coast railway, due to it's superior gearing via it's smaller diameter driving wheels.
Interestingly, as the Scotsman was undergoing its major refit in the 2010's, 3801 also underwent a massive refit from 2010 to 2021, including a new German boiler; returning to service early this year. We often hear it whistling of a weekend at Sutherland station, magic stuff! We need to restore our past so our future can learn.
Finally, Bill McAlpine's family company made it's name building the Glenfinnan Viaduct on the Highland Fishing Line between Fort William and Mallaig. It was the first ever concrete viaduct in the world I believe, and earned fame & fortune as the viaduct the Hogwart's Express is seen to cross in a Harry Potter film.
I thought 3801's German boiler was shelved due to issues with the way it was constructed not meeting AU certification and they just rebuilt the original one at great expense?
Edit to add context: please don't take what I'm saying as gospel, this is just what I've read over the years but, I believe the German boiler has either been shelved as a spare, or is going to be rebuilt to compliance for 3830s restoration.
I honestly wish the American trip could have been this successful. Amazing video it was amazing!
Don’t we all?
Agreed but politics, lack of money and no enthusiasm in some areas here in the US really prevented it from being as successful as it should've been.
Thanks for sharing this
Great video my bro been waiting for this story
It looks interesting I can't wait to watch it.
I’m excited to see this!
Absolutely incredible video
looking forward
My favourite chapter of Flying Scotsman's history & what made me fall in love with 4472 ❤
Pretty cool video The Flying Scotsman in Australia. I think it would be pretty cool The Flying Scotsman visited Continental Europe.
No wonder as heard that CME Roland Kennington had said being exhausted after that trip
This is pretty interesting and great
20:12 the old days when sunshine still had a SG platform
Sailor Star Song really caught me off gaurd
As an Aussie i still find the photos of Flying Scotsman in Australia with NSWGR carriages and water tank behind it so odd and out of place.
Good show old boy
God I with I was alive back then to see it he would have come buy not far from were I live also I know a museum that has the flying Scotsman shovel when the flying Scotsman came to victoria
Should be noted why the queensland part was so short, of the 8000ish km of track in qld only 117km of it is standard guage
Yeah, and the amount of standard/dual gauge trackage hasn't increased much since 1989.
You know, Australia had a lot more fun with Scotsman than the USA did.
Can't wait to see it
how come NSW cant do interstate excursions anymore?
I don't have the facts on why they don't do interstate trips anymore but I think it's maybe due to money in the end. The closest trip that would be almost interstate was 3801's visit to Albury during Easter 2021.
@@NWR1991 ok fair enough. im surprised they dont at least go as far as brisbane?
the different organisations require accreditation in any state they plan to run in which is expensive to have for a single run not to mention the different requirements for loco's and then the extra for crews in different states for the loco's which has the extra cost of driver training required, way cheaper and simple to run in a single state. one organisation in NSW(Picnic Train) has expressed interest in doing interstate trips given they have former Victorian Railways R class R766 which has been regauged and will be easier for crews to work on with there being 3 examples running in vic at the moment
@@lachlansmith1522 ok I see, but can I tell u that I am planning on showing the NSWRTM a project called "the western endeavor recreation" and one of my ideas is to use donation boxes (about the same size of a dining table chair) and 2 of them r for the logistic and insurance funds and the other is for the mainline and interstate funds.
@percyengineproductions061
The Rail Motor Society at Paterson have operated interstate tours
Amazing and well detailed video, how did you know that a Chinese and an American steam locomotive were considered of coming to Aus steam 88?
It was in a 1988 issue of Newsrail that I bought from eBay a few years ago, I think it was their December issue as they were recapping the whole event.
@@NWR1991 cool, thanks for the information 👍
Great video, my Father Bernard Staite was the managing director of Flying Scotsman Enterprises. Would it be possible to get a download copy of this film for my family archives, You maybe aware Dad passed away in April 2009.
This should be good!
Wish Tornado or the P2 visited Aus and recreate this fun like the Scotsman including Melbourne to Adelaide
@@James_Rivett well in South Australia there's a guy making a train solo in his back shed
@@daviobryker full size?
There's several new (true) build projects in the UK. I say true as there's is a few extinct ex GWR classes that are being constructed using the remains from scrapped locos of common classes, as the GWR used very standardised designs.
a few of the patterns used for the castings for Tornado's have been used to build the newbuild LNER B17, which is almost a 460 version of Scotsman.
After the P2, the group are planning to build a new V4, which is a smaller version of Green Arrow, who said (real) steam is dead lol
2:18 words spoken by a legend respect
This was when I was 3 and Lindsay was a baby.
Pity he never made to Canberra, Darwin and Tasmania
No standard gauge in Tassie, and there wasn't even a railway to Darwin in 1988!
@@Taitset that in itself is a story of its own My cousin has a railway ticket dated 1925 for a trip from Darwin to Pine Creek.
@@adriaandeleeuw8339 Yes indeed! The story of the North Australia Railway is very interesting.
Stuart Studios' film about this is really disgraceful!
I saw. It made 3801 into a villain