@@takitako679recite py a couple of times, then a few random science words, all in the name of Newton or Einstein or any other worthy candidate. Then splash mountain dew in their eyes to cancel out the holy water.
It is a big deal though, it’s their child, their choice. Like giving a child their first hair cut, might not sound like a big deal but if you do it behind the parents back they will bring it up for weeks, months, years
I get both Mandy and Georgie’s feelings. I get Georgie’s feelings because some water and belief that a higher power is looking after her isn’t a big deal. But Mandy goes on to explain how they both went behind their backs, which is also something I understand. It’s the whole “I don’t care the outcome, I care about how it happened”
Yup. I'm religious myself, and I understand Mandy's feelings. It's not about the baptism; it's about the grandparents having it done behind the backs of the parents.
The moms had no right to do that, but I also get Georgie’s point of who cares. It gives the grandma’s peace of mind, it means there might be God looking out for the kid, and Mandy and Georgie can probably find a way to use it to their advantage. But the moms under minding their kids is a huge issue
You have to think about it from the mom’s point of view. Baptism is key for the baby going to Heaven. Out of love of course you would make sure the baby is baptized. Heaven is eternal-forever. I am not saying it’s right or that I would do it, but from their perspective it is not something you mess around with in the same way you wouldn’t leave a grenade around a bunch of preschoolers because they “probably” won’t pull the trigger.
Those that have never heard the word of god, or can't comprehend it. As long as they are in their hearts and souls good. Do not go to hell. A baby cannot go to hell. God is just, forgiving and understanding is he not? Also even humans understand "at least reasonable ones" that infants and children cannot consciously consent lifelong contracts. What makes Muppets think god is dumber? Baby baptizing is stupid and you're taking away an experience that can profoundly mean something to them. We do not have the authority to sign lifelong commitments for our children. We're out of the dark ages. @@michaelmoreno7889
At the same time, they did something the mother didnt'want it to. This whole show is filled with complicated characters with complicated morals, everyone is both right and wrong at the same time, it's very interesting. I understand her, totally, however: As someone who's depending on others to raise a child, because they have no house to live in, she's not truly into the right either. That's why everyone is wrong: She's wrong for wanting to act like she has the control over her daughter life while she can't even take care of the kid alone because she has no house to live. George is wrong for not understanding the backstabbing, but he's also right it's not a big deal. Both grandmothers are wrong for wanting to impose their religion on others. And so on, and so on, and so on.
Correction of "That meas my granddaughters soul is safe!" "That means im never going to be left alone with my granddaughter because clearly I have boundary problems and this breaking of trust is going to lead me to probably never having a big role in her life ever again."
@@CJFellowServant4288i’m super not religious and i do agree. however, those women are supposed to be in the support system, and both made it clear that they do not respect the parents. it doesn’t seem bad now, but that behavior indicates they’ll continue to undermine their parenting, which is a big issue. when your parents say one thing, and grandma does another, it shows the child that they do not have to respect their parents. also this is a show so who cares. but i have witnessed this happen for real and the grandparents were no longer allowed to see the children without being supervised by a parent.
@@CJFellowServant4288It wasn’t the fact that CeeCee got baptized. Mandy was angry because Mary and Audrey went behind their back to make a decision about CeeCee.
nah man if it was somn as simple as 'just sprinkling water' they wouldn't have taken all the effort to go behind her back it means something and it's significant enough for the parents to definitely have a say in it
Then the parents should take all the responsibility of the baby alone and don't take any help from the grandparents. It's either u share both the responsibility and the rights or neither
@@lopave6 sharing responsibility doesn't mean the grandparent can take a decision without consulting the parents. no matter what the parents always have the primary right over the child and everyone else comes after that. The grandparents have the right to suggest and discuss the idea, not execute it in secret
@@lopave6how absolutely disgusting........ unless you gave birth to that child, you have absolutely no right to make decisions for it. STOP grooming babies, stop indoctrination for children
Its not bout being baptised. Its about the audacity to do it, or anything for that matter, without mandy aka the moms knowledge. They could've atleast had a convo with mandy about this. Imagine you had a bike, your pride and joy, expensive af too. You spent all your life savings on it and took care of it. And a person just takes the bike without your knowledge when you were not present. Even if the bike is fine, you'd be appalled right?
And also like a baptism is something important, kinda like a milestone. A dinner is called for. It's like taking a child to see Santa for the first time WITHOUT their parents.
You have to think about it from the mom’s point of view. Baptism is key for the baby going to Heaven. Out of love of course you would make sure the baby is baptized. Heaven is eternal-forever. I am not saying it’s right or that I would do it, but from their perspective it is not something you mess around with in the same way you wouldn’t leave a grenade around a bunch of preschoolers because they “probably” won’t pull the trigger.
@@michaelmoreno7889 And that is great for you and your belief and you can do it for your kids in every which way. You cannot and should not ever do it to someone else’s child. I don’t care what you think a baptism will do if the parents don’t want it then you do not do it. Why don’t you look at it from the moms pov. She talked with both of them and said she doesn’t want it and thanked them for their understanding then right afterwards they did it anyway. That’s called lying. They lied about what they were doing to her baby. It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t seem like a big deal to you but it’s a big deal for the mother. It has nothing to do with heaven or religion it has to do with trust and they just broke the trust they had with her. What’s more important that you get to complete your religious practice on a family member or that said family member will never trust you alone with their baby ever again.
@@mcgm533It actually does have something to do with religion. It shows that both moms are hypocrites and are terrible Christians themselves whose only claim to faith is the abhorrent obedience to the dogmatic traditions instead of the essential teachings that the religion is supposed to impart.
Both atheists and a Christian would disapprove of what happened, but for almighty different reasons. The Christian for the important free will(which for infants is the parents). For atheists is “indoctrination” (which for the atheist simply means anything I don’t like) without parents consent.
1-yeah i dont think the writers know the difference between baptists and probably any other denomnation but baptists dont do infant baptism they do dedication but thats in the church with the parents and the rest of the church and it is not belieived to grant salvation 2- im not sure about the context but if the other mother is catholic she can not baptise anyone that can only be done by a priest who i imagine will ask the parents are present
You are right, but Mary convinced Pastor Jeff to do it "early" because Catholics apparently often try to do it much sooner then Christians so he not wanting this baby's life "ruined" or whatever, broke the rules.
@@AipomBTW Catholics are Christians. They just practice infant baptism and Baptists do not, but lots of other Christian denominations practice infant baptism too
@@AipomBTWthat's a decent way to explain it in the show. Decent writing. Lots of Christian denominations change and bend rules for expediency, even Catholics at times. And there are so many bits and pieces of independent denominations that I don't bat an eye when they mention a Baptist Baptizing a baby.
The level of rage I’d be at. You don’t ever do anything to my kid without my express consent, it’s MY baby, not yours. After that, the child privileges would be completely revoked until I decide to give them back.
@@YourLocalRod3nt It is still involving someone else's child into something their parents didn't consent for, it is something that can be considered a boundary cross, even more if the parents said to NOT do that
If my mother did that behind my back, she wouldn’t be seeing her grandchild again, because the point isnt the fact she baptised her, its the fact she did it against the mothers wish or knowledge and then acted like it was okay.
@@Mega_Queef If she ran off with the child without telling georgie or mandy that she's taking the kid, Then yeah its kidnapping. I haven't watched in a while I assumed both of them were babysitting and got it done secretly
Agreed. Being baptized as a baby is basically worthless. It's supposed to ensure you get into Heaven, but then there's all that gosh-darn sinning going on in day to day life that basically undoes that. Plus there's also a chance that kid is going to turn out agnostic/atheistic or they'll turn to another religion.
@@choryllis66461) getting baptizing doesn’t ensure you getting into heaven 2) sinning doesn’t undo being baptized 3) getting baptized shows that you are committed on following Jesus Christ
as a person who was unconsensualy baptized, i can say it wasn’t that big of a deal. the way georgie put it is exactly what it was. your beliefs don’t have to change or remain the same for a baptism to do what it does for those who believe in it. it’s literally just a. sacred clothed bath that is supposed to protect you that for some reason me parents have a. huge issue going through with or spend a weird amount of time getting caught up on. my girl wasn’t sure she wanted to do it until i talked to her about it and made her realize it’s just to protect the baby and make those who love her believe she’ll be okay. it’s a great way to get them to leave you tf alone too.
Baptizing a kid is a decision for the parents to make. If the parents don't want their kid to be baptized, the kid doesn't get baptized. End of discussion
It kinda sets a precedent too that behavior like this will escalate. They'll be doing a lot of stuff behind parent's backs if something isn't said the first time. The parents need to know if they set a boundary that won't be crossed.
That level of disrespect to the actual parents would be an automatic "you don't get to see her until you regain my trust!" moment. And my trust would not be easy to win back.
I think there was a Reddit story where there was a similar incident to this. The husband (OP) was so upset that he will not let the in-laws babysit the kids again.
I got baptized in a church tubcuzzi as a little kid. It was fun, ngl. I’m agnostic now. It’s something that gives people a sense of mind as well as being a community event that feels special. I can appreciate that without caring about the religious aspects so long as it is not harmful
She's mad about both of them doing it. Because it's her child and that is her and gorges decision to make. She didn't want Cece baptized, buy the grandparents went behind her back and did it anyway, then tried to hide it. That's why she's mad.
Forcing religion on someone who clearly doesn't want it is just wrong. I would be mad if someone told me I was going to be baptized and I didn't have the choice to say no.
If I TELL my parents and my in-laws NOT to do something as big as baptising my child, and they do it anyway, people are gonna hear me yelling in Wyoming - from New York. "Grow up?" Try this for a reply - "Get The Hell Away From My Damn Kid, You Damned Idiot!" And HELL would freeze over before either one of them laid eyes on my kid!! And Pastor Jeff? DON'T EVEN GO THERE!!!
Of the whole bunch of them, it was bad enough that the two grandmothers went behind the parents' backs, but Pastor Jeff apparently thought that it was perfectly okay to go ahead and do that without permission of the parents. The church should definitely know better and there should be some sort of a reprimand because of it. It is the total lack of respect for the parents' right to decide what to do with their own child.
Watching someone react with such strong emotion to this film feels so genuine and heartbreaking. Absolutely every aspect of this movie feels heartbreaking, and honestly I don't blame you for crying, many people did too. Heartbreaking film, but it's even worse when it settles in that this is very much reality.
@@seamus8695 it’s an opinion and not a fact that’s why I said I think. So in my opinion the baptism should and won’t be accepted if the PARENTS aren’t 1. Also baptized and 2. Are there to witness it
Its not about the water and baptism in itself, its the fact they did it without the parents' consent, disrespecting their wishes, and what they had come to an agree on regarding their daughter.
I can't believe I'm in the minority for once but here we go. Baptism is a huge deal, they didn't ask for the parent consent, or Ceecee's consent. Doing a baptism with ill intentions, which would include these circumstances, is a sin. On the Grandmothers and the Priest(s). Myself not getting Baptists was a major sticking point between my Parents and all of my Grandparents. It is dishonest, a sin by the rules of the religion(s), and it's Grandparents stomping over the rights of the parents and their grandchildren. It is NOT a teehee, oops sorry.
I would put both Mother's in the room and tell them. You are no longer gonna have contact with my child. You did this without my consent. It is not your child. You did not have the right to do so.
My MIL did the same thing. Of course I didn't get angry. She discreetly had her priest bless the children. She was low key about it, and I turned my head the other way. I respected my in laws, and there was no way I wanted them to think our children could die and go to purgatory. My MIL always respected me and my decisions, and I let her do this small thing (for me), big thing (for her). No one knew, and I had a wonderful relationship with my MIL. My kids grew up protestant.
While baptism should be the choice of the person getting baptized, Georgie has a VERY valid point. Many churches have baby dedications. In that, the pastor anoints the baby with blessed oil and asks God to look out for him/her. And the way Georgie put makes it about God and the baby, not about catholic or baptist or grandma or meemaw.
Forcing a baptism on someone(even a baby) goes against the will of God. He desires everyone to choose Him of their own free will, so what they did would most likely be worse than the baby never getting baptized. The last bit of the second sentence is mainly my opinion.
It's no wonder Sheldon's so selfish when you look at his mom. His mom is like a toddler who can't take no for an answer and always has to get what she wants.
As a young mom I'd have been furious. As a seasoned parent looking forward to grandkids, like Georgie said, not the biggest battle you're fighting in the parent vs grandparent war.
I would be pissed too if someone baptised my children without my consent. I don't care if you're family, that's my child and I'll raise them how I want.
Grandparents seem to think they have the right to do things without asking the PARENTS first! It’s true but they ever think it’s their daughter they might want to be apart of something like that!?
Born and raised Catholic and worked at a Catholic parish, without parental/guardian consent, it didn't happen. Having friends in other denominations, it's the same if a baby, otherwise , my understanding is if the person can speak for themselves, that's different. Unless the baby is at death's door (in the Catholic religion) this baptism doesn't hold.
A 7 year old is not capable of deciding things for themselves as that sets a dangerous precedent. I'd say the age where kids can decide for themselves is 13 years old.
@sarahedwards2 don't Mormons still practice child marriage? Because I knew a girl who grew up in Utah (which is very Mormon). And she would tell me about how often random people would ask her, when she was a teenager, where her husband was. She even once had a bizarre incident where she got sent to the hospital when she was 10 for intense stomach pain. The doctor in charge actually had the gaul to suggest she was having a miscarriage and that they need to call her husband.
I’m an exmormon. I understand both points of view. On one hand it’s a complex set of emotions when you despise the religion you grew up with and don’t want anything to do with it. It may seem harmless to others, but in reality it feels like a giant betrayal. On the other hand, it didn’t hurt ceecee nor cause any real problems. Other than a huge breach of trust
I dont agree with someone going behind the back to do something unless its for a good cause. This was a good cause and i agree with Georgie. Its good that after she was baptized that God would be looking out for her.
It’s technically just water but they still went behind their backs. That’s f up. The problem now is that you can’t trust the grandparents to not do more things like this because of “religious” reasons because they already openly went behind your back and don’t even feel sorry about it so they would completely do it again.
If my mom believed that splashing some water on my baby was the only way to keep her safe then didn’t. That would be the real issue. Imagine your mom caring so little about your child that they wouldn’t even sprinkle some water on them. That would just show how little your mom cared.
My husband's grandmother really did this to him. She volunteered to babysit and took him to the church and had the priest christen him. Then she waited YEARS to confess to what she did. She was Irish Catholic.
Funny thing is in most churches if they find out it was done without parents permission and behind their back those two will actually be kicked out of the church and barred from any other churches in the city of the same religion. (In real life outside of comedy show)
I'm cis-ish (probably agender?). When I was around 14 I asked my mum to 1) buy me a binder 2) let me try out a different name and different pronouns. She said no, which caused me to repress my feelings around gender and I ended up hating myself for exploring my gender identity. As I said, I'm fine as a cisgender-ish adult now, but I still have this kind of "shame" when it comes to thinking about my gender. If my mum had just let me do reversible things in my childhood I would be so much more at ease. Trans kids just want to exist as they are. I wish everybody would let them.
me in that situation I'd do this: go to both mothers and say: your actions have caused the both of us to distrust you forever, but hey at least you can live with the fact that granddaughter is baptized and that your children will never trust you again.
It's not Grandmas baby so she has no say whatsoever and its the parents who need peace of mind, not them! My own "mother" learnt the hard way fuckin with my boundaries for MY child!! To any of you who think "Grandma can do as she pleases" .. You're sadly mistaken!
Just a tip for the boys, if a woman says "do i have to explain it?" Dont say "yes", remain silent and stare blankly. That way She'll explain it for clarity
Georgie has a very calm demeanor about him it really is just harmless but mentally and emotionally it’s wrong on every level they broke trust and went behind the parents back to do something the parents didn’t consent to
Yet another reason Mary is one of the best written selfish, hypocritical, terrible characters ever. The writers and actor deserve Emmys for the work on this one character alone.
From the catholic perspective this is a HUGE no-no and actually nullified the baptism and excommunicated the grandmother. Also if Mandy makes a complaint to the bishop the priest can be stripped of duty and rights as a priest. Essentially gettink kicked out of his order.
My parents didn’t want me and my sisters christened, but my grandma had the vicar do it without them the first time we stayed with them overnight, this happened on 3 separate occasions each time a baby came along. It only came out when we were adults and my nan had already died. After my parents calmed down they realised that atheism is what you believe, not what you do. That for them some water on the head is just that, a wet head, but to a devout Christian it’s so much more, and if it made someone we loved happy and cost them nothing, then it wasn’t really worth the animosity.
Grandparents need to realize they have no rights to their grandchildren. They dont get to do things without asking. They raised their kids. If youre a grandparent, what they do isnt up to you. This would be a wonderful way to not be left alone with my kid. Its the disrespect in not asking, even if it was one parent doing it without asking the other it would be an issue. I cannot stand people like this.
Mandy: *Leaves the house*
Mary: “Your time has come, cee cee!”
That makes it sound like Mary was gonna sacrifice it XD
@@Comfy_Gamingchristianity itself sounds like a cult sometimes...
@@brokentoaster999 Any organization can sound like a cult with the right description. Especially organized religions.
@@Comfy_Gamingmight as well have
@@brokentoaster999it is a cult
I love that Georgie 1- didn't think it was a big deal, but 2- went to Sheldon and asked him to undo the baptisms lmao
I lost it when he said " Not me, put it back!" or something 😂
'Tell her some science things it'll cancel it'
Wait im curious how to undo baptism 👀
@@takitako679recite py a couple of times, then a few random science words, all in the name of Newton or Einstein or any other worthy candidate. Then splash mountain dew in their eyes to cancel out the holy water.
It is a big deal though, it’s their child, their choice.
Like giving a child their first hair cut, might not sound like a big deal but if you do it behind the parents back they will bring it up for weeks, months, years
I get both Mandy and Georgie’s feelings. I get Georgie’s feelings because some water and belief that a higher power is looking after her isn’t a big deal. But Mandy goes on to explain how they both went behind their backs, which is also something I understand. It’s the whole “I don’t care the outcome, I care about how it happened”
Plot twsit:CeCe become atheist like her uncle Sheldon
@@antonioayreslee5995 I mean Sheldon did “unbaptize” CeCe
@@antonioayreslee5995I thought he was agnostic
@@davidlane256 agnostic is a knowledge claim. You can be an agnostic atheist. It means you dont believe that a god exists but you don't know for sure
Yup. I'm religious myself, and I understand Mandy's feelings. It's not about the baptism; it's about the grandparents having it done behind the backs of the parents.
The moms had no right to do that, but I also get Georgie’s point of who cares. It gives the grandma’s peace of mind, it means there might be God looking out for the kid, and Mandy and Georgie can probably find a way to use it to their advantage. But the moms under minding their kids is a huge issue
You have to think about it from the mom’s point of view. Baptism is key for the baby going to Heaven. Out of love of course you would make sure the baby is baptized. Heaven is eternal-forever. I am not saying it’s right or that I would do it, but from their perspective it is not something you mess around with in the same way you wouldn’t leave a grenade around a bunch of preschoolers because they “probably” won’t pull the trigger.
Those that have never heard the word of god, or can't comprehend it. As long as they are in their hearts and souls good. Do not go to hell. A baby cannot go to hell. God is just, forgiving and understanding is he not?
Also even humans understand "at least reasonable ones" that infants and children cannot consciously consent lifelong contracts.
What makes Muppets think god is dumber? Baby baptizing is stupid and you're taking away an experience that can profoundly mean something to them.
We do not have the authority to sign lifelong commitments for our children. We're out of the dark ages.
@@michaelmoreno7889
@@michaelmoreno7889
No! And she's NOT CeeCees mom.
@michaelmoreno7889
1. They are the grandmother's of the baby not the mom
2. The real mom DID NOT want her baby to be Baptisted, end of story
At the same time, they did something the mother didnt'want it to.
This whole show is filled with complicated characters with complicated morals, everyone is both right and wrong at the same time, it's very interesting.
I understand her, totally, however: As someone who's depending on others to raise a child, because they have no house to live in, she's not truly into the right either.
That's why everyone is wrong:
She's wrong for wanting to act like she has the control over her daughter life while she can't even take care of the kid alone because she has no house to live.
George is wrong for not understanding the backstabbing, but he's also right it's not a big deal.
Both grandmothers are wrong for wanting to impose their religion on others. And so on, and so on, and so on.
Correction of "That meas my granddaughters soul is safe!"
"That means im never going to be left alone with my granddaughter because clearly I have boundary problems and this breaking of trust is going to lead me to probably never having a big role in her life ever again."
REAL
I'm with Georgie on this one, they splashed some water on her and asked God to look out for her.
Dramatic ass comment lol
@@CJFellowServant4288i’m super not religious and i do agree. however, those women are supposed to be in the support system, and both made it clear that they do not respect the parents. it doesn’t seem bad now, but that behavior indicates they’ll continue to undermine their parenting, which is a big issue. when your parents say one thing, and grandma does another, it shows the child that they do not have to respect their parents.
also this is a show so who cares. but i have witnessed this happen for real and the grandparents were no longer allowed to see the children without being supervised by a parent.
@@CJFellowServant4288It wasn’t the fact that CeeCee got baptized. Mandy was angry because Mary and Audrey went behind their back to make a decision about CeeCee.
nah man if it was somn as simple as 'just sprinkling water' they wouldn't have taken all the effort to go behind her back
it means something and it's significant enough for the parents to definitely have a say in it
Then the parents should take all the responsibility of the baby alone and don't take any help from the grandparents.
It's either u share both the responsibility and the rights or neither
@@lopave6 sharing responsibility doesn't mean the grandparent can take a decision without consulting the parents. no matter what the parents always have the primary right over the child and everyone else comes after that. The grandparents have the right to suggest and discuss the idea, not execute it in secret
@@lopave6talk about not knowing where boundaries are. I’ll pray for your children.
@@lopave6how absolutely disgusting........ unless you gave birth to that child, you have absolutely no right to make decisions for it. STOP grooming babies, stop indoctrination for children
@@lopave6that’s completely crazy
Its not bout being baptised. Its about the audacity to do it, or anything for that matter, without mandy aka the moms knowledge. They could've atleast had a convo with mandy about this. Imagine you had a bike, your pride and joy, expensive af too. You spent all your life savings on it and took care of it. And a person just takes the bike without your knowledge when you were not present. Even if the bike is fine, you'd be appalled right?
And also like a baptism is something important, kinda like a milestone. A dinner is called for. It's like taking a child to see Santa for the first time WITHOUT their parents.
“Hey I thought I heard you okay”
Immediately leaves the room
😂😂😂
He didn’t want to be caught in the crossfire of that conversation
These mom had no right to do that
You have to think about it from the mom’s point of view. Baptism is key for the baby going to Heaven. Out of love of course you would make sure the baby is baptized. Heaven is eternal-forever. I am not saying it’s right or that I would do it, but from their perspective it is not something you mess around with in the same way you wouldn’t leave a grenade around a bunch of preschoolers because they “probably” won’t pull the trigger.
@@michaelmoreno7889 And that is great for you and your belief and you can do it for your kids in every which way. You cannot and should not ever do it to someone else’s child. I don’t care what you think a baptism will do if the parents don’t want it then you do not do it.
Why don’t you look at it from the moms pov. She talked with both of them and said she doesn’t want it and thanked them for their understanding then right afterwards they did it anyway. That’s called lying. They lied about what they were doing to her baby. It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t seem like a big deal to you but it’s a big deal for the mother.
It has nothing to do with heaven or religion it has to do with trust and they just broke the trust they had with her. What’s more important that you get to complete your religious practice on a family member or that said family member will never trust you alone with their baby ever again.
@@mcgm533It actually does have something to do with religion. It shows that both moms are hypocrites and are terrible Christians themselves whose only claim to faith is the abhorrent obedience to the dogmatic traditions instead of the essential teachings that the religion is supposed to impart.
@@michaelmoreno7889Christians have a tough time of grasping the concept of "nobody asked" don't they
@@mcgm533 I agree with Georgie from the show, it's no big deal.
I fucking love Mandy’s dad 😂😂😂😂
real
Chill out on the swearing
Dont baptize someone's elses child without parental consent ez pz
Ye why are people arguing for the grandparents
@@minecraftnerd2175 religion and delusion seem to have pretty tight ties.
@Reulorics it's the disrespect of doing it without the parents permission and intentionally hiding it. It's so disrespectful
@Reulorics Womp Womp
@Reulorics how van u be this stupid
I swear, something like this is grounds for disowning someone and cutting contact with them completely
@Reuloricsscripture is clear baptism saves, but I understand your sola fide doctrine necessitates you to deny that
Both atheists and a Christian would disapprove of what happened, but for
almighty different reasons. The Christian for the important free will(which for infants is the parents). For atheists is “indoctrination” (which for the atheist simply means anything I don’t like) without parents consent.
"Do I have to explain it to you?"
*Proceeds to pull out a whiteboard*
History lecture of the religion
Mandy cares about the gesture, Georgie cares about the actions.
That’s because Mandy is more mature, and is able to see beyond the actions themselves
Isn't Marry a baptist? Isn't not baptizing children one of the central elements of baptism?
1-yeah i dont think the writers know the difference between baptists and probably any other denomnation but baptists dont do infant baptism they do dedication but thats in the church with the parents and the rest of the church and it is not belieived to grant salvation
2- im not sure about the context but if the other mother is catholic she can not baptise anyone that can only be done by a priest who i imagine will ask the parents are present
You are right, but Mary convinced Pastor Jeff to do it "early" because Catholics apparently often try to do it much sooner then Christians so he not wanting this baby's life "ruined" or whatever, broke the rules.
@@AipomBTW Catholics are Christians. They just practice infant baptism and Baptists do not, but lots of other Christian denominations practice infant baptism too
@@nicoallison9228 yes and no. Catholics are Christians, but Christians aren't Catholics.
@@AipomBTWthat's a decent way to explain it in the show. Decent writing. Lots of Christian denominations change and bend rules for expediency, even Catholics at times. And there are so many bits and pieces of independent denominations that I don't bat an eye when they mention a Baptist Baptizing a baby.
The level of rage I’d be at. You don’t ever do anything to my kid without my express consent, it’s MY baby, not yours. After that, the child privileges would be completely revoked until I decide to give them back.
It just some water chill out.
@@YourLocalRod3nt It is still involving someone else's child into something their parents didn't consent for, it is something that can be considered a boundary cross, even more if the parents said to NOT do that
"Hey! Thought I heard you- okay."
Jim is a living W.
I love how nobody is talking about the guy that just came in and immediately dipped
Yes!! I was thinking about that too😅
That's Mandy's dad.
LMFAOO dude immediately sensed what was wrong and left
Knowing how to read a room is a _very_ useful skill.
"Do I have to explain this to you?"
Who tf do you think you're talking to of course you have to explain it to Georgie.
If my mother did that behind my back, she wouldn’t be seeing her grandchild again, because the point isnt the fact she baptised her, its the fact she did it against the mothers wish or knowledge and then acted like it was okay.
I like how Georgie is so chill.
FR I wish my man was chill enough to not care about my child literally getting kidnapped
@@Mega_Queef "Kidnapped" thats hilarious, They were babysitting
@@Bob_Bob347 didn’t she run off after telling Mandy to go get a sweater
@@Mega_Queef If she ran off with the child without telling georgie or mandy that she's taking the kid, Then yeah its kidnapping. I haven't watched in a while I assumed both of them were babysitting and got it done secretly
@@Bob_Bob347 yeah that’s not what happened
That’s a very loved baby with a crazy family
Im honestly with georgie here. I dont care about how it happened, all i care about is the outcome. If someone disagrees that's fine but still.
As a Baptist, this is not okay. Being Baptized is a CHOICE. You can't baptize a baby, because it means nothing.
Disguising yourself as a Baptist to appease these immature atheist
I would be so ticked off - how dare they go against the parents wishes for THEIR child!!!
mary: *acts so polite and tries to explain so she would understand*
mandy's mom: i baptized her, grow up
Mary try to underplay her behaviour but bith were very wrong.
They're both wrong but... at least Mary has some shame.
On principle, she’s wrong, but overall Georgie is right lmao
Agreed.
Being baptized as a baby is basically worthless. It's supposed to ensure you get into Heaven, but then there's all that gosh-darn sinning going on in day to day life that basically undoes that. Plus there's also a chance that kid is going to turn out agnostic/atheistic or they'll turn to another religion.
@choryllis6646 Water baptism at any age doesn't mean anything about entering heaven. You aren't more likely to at any age you receive it.
@@choryllis66461) getting baptizing doesn’t ensure you getting into heaven
2) sinning doesn’t undo being baptized
3) getting baptized shows that you are committed on following Jesus Christ
Baptism is cult behavior
@@hfksj6349no it doesn’t, it’s just an opening to the religion. Commitment is when you actual commit
as a person who was unconsensualy baptized, i can say it wasn’t that big of a deal. the way georgie put it is exactly what it was. your beliefs don’t have to change or remain the same for a baptism to do what it does for those who believe in it. it’s literally just a. sacred clothed bath that is supposed to protect you that for some reason me parents have a. huge issue going through with or spend a weird amount of time getting caught up on. my girl wasn’t sure she wanted to do it until i talked to her about it and made her realize it’s just to protect the baby and make those who love her believe she’ll be okay. it’s a great way to get them to leave you tf alone too.
Baptizing a kid is a decision for the parents to make. If the parents don't want their kid to be baptized, the kid doesn't get baptized. End of discussion
It kinda sets a precedent too that behavior like this will escalate. They'll be doing a lot of stuff behind parent's backs if something isn't said the first time. The parents need to know if they set a boundary that won't be crossed.
Major disrespect of boundaries!
That level of disrespect to the actual parents would be an automatic "you don't get to see her until you regain my trust!" moment. And my trust would not be easy to win back.
I think there was a Reddit story where there was a similar incident to this. The husband (OP) was so upset that he will not let the in-laws babysit the kids again.
Hey I heard you “ok”😂
I got baptized in a church tubcuzzi as a little kid. It was fun, ngl. I’m agnostic now. It’s something that gives people a sense of mind as well as being a community event that feels special. I can appreciate that without caring about the religious aspects so long as it is not harmful
Lol...... the dad smartest guy in the room
Both of them baptised her.
Whats the difference?
Different denominations of Christianity which is too big a deal to too many people
She's mad about both of them doing it. Because it's her child and that is her and gorges decision to make. She didn't want Cece baptized, buy the grandparents went behind her back and did it anyway, then tried to hide it. That's why she's mad.
Forcing religion on someone who clearly doesn't want it is just wrong. I would be mad if someone told me I was going to be baptized and I didn't have the choice to say no.
@@ch4z_bucks to the moms. Not the parents. But this type of baptisms don't work anyways
No different, they are both equally disrespectful to the child’s mother.
If I TELL my parents and my in-laws NOT to do something as big as baptising my child, and they do it anyway, people are gonna hear me yelling in Wyoming - from New York. "Grow up?"
Try this for a reply - "Get The Hell Away From My Damn Kid, You Damned Idiot!" And HELL would freeze over before either one of them laid eyes on my kid!! And Pastor Jeff? DON'T EVEN GO THERE!!!
Ye cool
Religious people not respecting people... that NEVER happens!
Religious people not respecting people? It aways happens.
Of the whole bunch of them, it was bad enough that the two grandmothers went behind the parents' backs, but Pastor Jeff apparently thought that it was perfectly okay to go ahead and do that without permission of the parents. The church should definitely know better and there should be some sort of a reprimand because of it. It is the total lack of respect for the parents' right to decide what to do with their own child.
It’s f¥cked up that Mary did that. Honestly, sometimes she’s great, but sometimes she’s just to much.
Tbf, Mandy's mom did the same
I honestly hate how Mary is obsessed with religion to the point that overwrites every good intention she has
Even though it was harmless and didn't hurt the baby, they still need the mum consent cause that's her baby!
neither of them would ever see me or their grandchildren ever again.
Watching someone react with such strong emotion to this film feels so genuine and heartbreaking. Absolutely every aspect of this movie feels heartbreaking, and honestly I don't blame you for crying, many people did too. Heartbreaking film, but it's even worse when it settles in that this is very much reality.
Not Mary being the worst character in the show again.
I mean Mandy mom is standing right there 😬
Ikr, she thinks everything is about her, all the time
A babies baptism isn’t accepted if the parents aren’t there to approve. That’s what I think anyway
Well, You think wrong
@@seamus8695 it’s an opinion and not a fact that’s why I said I think. So in my opinion the baptism should and won’t be accepted if the PARENTS aren’t 1. Also baptized and 2. Are there to witness it
Its not about the water and baptism in itself, its the fact they did it without the parents' consent, disrespecting their wishes, and what they had come to an agree on regarding their daughter.
Forcing the most devastating creation some humans made upon anyone, is the deadliest/disgusting/worst thing you could ever do🤬
“Hey I thought I heard youuuuuuuu-okay” got me dying 😂
The fact is both grandmothers were fighting for control of the granddaughter without parents consent
I can't believe I'm in the minority for once but here we go. Baptism is a huge deal, they didn't ask for the parent consent, or Ceecee's consent. Doing a baptism with ill intentions, which would include these circumstances, is a sin. On the Grandmothers and the Priest(s). Myself not getting Baptists was a major sticking point between my Parents and all of my Grandparents. It is dishonest, a sin by the rules of the religion(s), and it's Grandparents stomping over the rights of the parents and their grandchildren. It is NOT a teehee, oops sorry.
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Good thing for the parents that it doesnt mean anything.
It has legal effects in many countries, so I wouldn't be so sure
My family’s atheist but we got baptized just in case
😂
Sounds like your family is agnostic, not athiest
Cover the bases.😊
That's stupid
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No consequences means they will continue with this behavior of not asking patent permission.
I would put both Mother's in the room and tell them. You are no longer gonna have contact with my child. You did this without my consent. It is not your child. You did not have the right to do so.
Matty gained sentience in 6th grade 😂😂
My MIL did the same thing. Of course I didn't get angry. She discreetly had her priest bless the children. She was low key about it, and I turned my head the other way. I respected my in laws, and there was no way I wanted them to think our children could die and go to purgatory. My MIL always respected me and my decisions, and I let her do this small thing (for me), big thing (for her). No one knew, and I had a wonderful relationship with my MIL. My kids grew up protestant.
The real ones will understand that she's not mad about the baptism but that it was done without the parents' consent or presence.
While baptism should be the choice of the person getting baptized, Georgie has a VERY valid point. Many churches have baby dedications. In that, the pastor anoints the baby with blessed oil and asks God to look out for him/her. And the way Georgie put makes it about God and the baby, not about catholic or baptist or grandma or meemaw.
Mandy dad is the funniest person
Even though the parents were disrespectful, Georgie's got a point.
Forcing a baptism on someone(even a baby) goes against the will of God. He desires everyone to choose Him of their own free will, so what they did would most likely be worse than the baby never getting baptized.
The last bit of the second sentence is mainly my opinion.
It's no wonder Sheldon's so selfish when you look at his mom. His mom is like a toddler who can't take no for an answer and always has to get what she wants.
I am with her here. I was baltised as a baby and after learning about the religion and what baptism means i see this as a HUGE deal
I agree with George.
As a young mom I'd have been furious. As a seasoned parent looking forward to grandkids, like Georgie said, not the biggest battle you're fighting in the parent vs grandparent war.
I would be pissed too if someone baptised my children without my consent. I don't care if you're family, that's my child and I'll raise them how I want.
Grandparents seem to think they have the right to do things without asking the PARENTS first! It’s true but they ever think it’s their daughter they might want to be apart of something like that!?
The good thing about stuff like this is you can just ignore it and pretend it never happened. Nobody will be able to prove it anyway
Born and raised Catholic and worked at a Catholic parish, without parental/guardian consent, it didn't happen. Having friends in other denominations, it's the same if a baby, otherwise , my understanding is if the person can speak for themselves, that's different. Unless the baby is at death's door (in the Catholic religion) this baptism doesn't hold.
Mandy sounded just like Sheldon's mom wheb she said what did you do lol
A child should never be baptized against the will of the parents. Unless they’re 7 or older, at which point they can decide for themselves.
A 7 year old is not capable of deciding things for themselves as that sets a dangerous precedent. I'd say the age where kids can decide for themselves is 13 years old.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Well in the Mormon church you’re baptized when you’re 8.
@sarahedwards2 don't Mormons still practice child marriage? Because I knew a girl who grew up in Utah (which is very Mormon). And she would tell me about how often random people would ask her, when she was a teenager, where her husband was. She even once had a bizarre incident where she got sent to the hospital when she was 10 for intense stomach pain. The doctor in charge actually had the gaul to suggest she was having a miscarriage and that they need to call her husband.
I’m an exmormon. I understand both points of view. On one hand it’s a complex set of emotions when you despise the religion you grew up with and don’t want anything to do with it. It may seem harmless to others, but in reality it feels like a giant betrayal.
On the other hand, it didn’t hurt ceecee nor cause any real problems. Other than a huge breach of trust
I would have been pissed. Baptism is so important.
At least Sheldon's mom had the balls to say it to her in a appropriate manner like wtf
"I baptized her grow up" got me rolling 😆😆
“Hey, thought I heard yyyyooouuuuuuu ok….” 🤣
Easy way to never see ur grandchild ever again lmfao
I dont agree with someone going behind the back to do something unless its for a good cause. This was a good cause and i agree with Georgie. Its good that after she was baptized that God would be looking out for her.
This is why the structure of the Church is important ☝🏼✝️🇻🇦
It’s technically just water but they still went behind their backs. That’s f up.
The problem now is that you can’t trust the grandparents to not do more things like this because of “religious” reasons because they already openly went behind your back and don’t even feel sorry about it so they would completely do it again.
If my mom believed that splashing some water on my baby was the only way to keep her safe then didn’t. That would be the real issue. Imagine your mom caring so little about your child that they wouldn’t even sprinkle some water on them. That would just show how little your mom cared.
I love how this show has turned from "Young Sheldon", to Everyone BUT Sheldon!!!
The audacity of her saying "grow up" when it was her daughter's child
My husband's grandmother really did this to him. She volunteered to babysit and took him to the church and had the priest christen him. Then she waited YEARS to confess to what she did. She was Irish Catholic.
Funny thing is in most churches if they find out it was done without parents permission and behind their back those two will actually be kicked out of the church and barred from any other churches in the city of the same religion. (In real life outside of comedy show)
As a Baptist, Mary should’ve known that baptism is done after a testimony to salvation, not before.
the writers of this show are anti christian, they dont actually know christian practices lol.
I'm cis-ish (probably agender?). When I was around 14 I asked my mum to 1) buy me a binder 2) let me try out a different name and different pronouns. She said no, which caused me to repress my feelings around gender and I ended up hating myself for exploring my gender identity. As I said, I'm fine as a cisgender-ish adult now, but I still have this kind of "shame" when it comes to thinking about my gender. If my mum had just let me do reversible things in my childhood I would be so much more at ease. Trans kids just want to exist as they are. I wish everybody would let them.
me in that situation I'd do this: go to both mothers and say: your actions have caused the both of us to distrust you forever, but hey at least you can live with the fact that granddaughter is baptized and that your children will never trust you again.
Dad and the 180 to get out of danger🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's not Grandmas baby so she has no say whatsoever and its the parents who need peace of mind, not them! My own "mother" learnt the hard way fuckin with my boundaries for MY child!! To any of you who think "Grandma can do as she pleases" .. You're sadly mistaken!
Just a tip for the boys, if a woman says "do i have to explain it?" Dont say "yes", remain silent and stare blankly. That way She'll explain it for clarity
Georgie has a very calm demeanor about him it really is just harmless but mentally and emotionally it’s wrong on every level they broke trust and went behind the parents back to do something the parents didn’t consent to
Yet another reason Mary is one of the best written selfish, hypocritical, terrible characters ever. The writers and actor deserve Emmys for the work on this one character alone.
From the catholic perspective this is a HUGE no-no and actually nullified the baptism and excommunicated the grandmother. Also if Mandy makes a complaint to the bishop the priest can be stripped of duty and rights as a priest. Essentially gettink kicked out of his order.
My parents didn’t want me and my sisters christened, but my grandma had the vicar do it without them the first time we stayed with them overnight, this happened on 3 separate occasions each time a baby came along. It only came out when we were adults and my nan had already died. After my parents calmed down they realised that atheism is what you believe, not what you do. That for them some water on the head is just that, a wet head, but to a devout Christian it’s so much more, and if it made someone we loved happy and cost them nothing, then it wasn’t really worth the animosity.
Grandparents need to realize they have no rights to their grandchildren. They dont get to do things without asking. They raised their kids. If youre a grandparent, what they do isnt up to you.
This would be a wonderful way to not be left alone with my kid. Its the disrespect in not asking, even if it was one parent doing it without asking the other it would be an issue.
I cannot stand people like this.
I’m not religious but if I was, i would want to be with my baby when she gets baptized
Neither grandmother would ever, ever see her again.
A baptism IS a big deal, but it IS a good thing so they should’ve told them but still done it