I was also waiting for you to react to that Megan Thee Stallion dissing Nicki Minaj. Now for Important context to this rap beef and how it started, was simply Nicki Minaj being JEALOUS AF about Megan Thee Stallion getting a bit more popular, meanwhile Nicki Minaj. So for 3 plus years Nicki was constantly cyber bullying Megan during Megan's work on her album Cobra. So finally Megan released a track which IMO it's technically not a super aggressive diss track because there are subtle shots fired at Nicki Minaj, but also her entire family and ex boyfriend, and EVEN DRAKE is getting some subs at them. I especially will look forward to when you hear Megan drop that bar at Nicki Minaj, because after that one bar Nicki was spazzing on Twitter like a trigger BITCH, like she can't handle when pettiness is thrown back at her!🤣
@@duarteduarte3649how he a stan he literally said em got killed in the last 2 reactions while all the other reactors say how em already won because it's "ghostwritten" or because of the track he did 20 years ago
The song was suppose to be haunting, it's about his friend who jumped off The Menai Bridge late one night when Ren was a younger man. Ren was the first to reach the bridge after a mutual friend alerted him to something going on. Ren was just a few moments too late to an empty bridge where his best friend had been. They never recovered the body. Listen again and you will get a different feel from it. Thanks for giving it an open minded listen.
They are not singing in octaves, but in thirds and diminished fourths, which gives it this erie and haunting vibe. And they are both doing a very good job, especially as this is a live performance. I think the musical expression is totally on point.
Yeah it's only like every fourth note matches or something like that So there's like some like weaving in and out of tune but you know the notes are Just mathematically not going to match up when they are purposely anti-syncrocity if that's even a word
Eugene, Ren did write this song as well as all of them unless it's a retake. As far as the vocals go, and I say this as a singer, they're not off key, it's a stylized choice. You may not like the sound or style and that's fine. I've watched a lot of reactions to this, particularly from singers & vocal coaches, etc. I haven't heard vocal criticism on that tune or Chalk Outlines. Both are done live, one shot. These are not reactors who pander. I know one of those when I see one. No hate here. I still watch your Ren Dotta reaction every once in a while, cracks me up.
She is off key. She's missing the harmony in several parts by a half step. Maybe it's stylized, maybe it isn't, but it's my job to know, hear, and correct these things. Harmonic minors are tough to duo, and many times when it's not noticeable, it's her simply octaving which can also be jarring in a duo, burying one singer or the other. It's not terrible here, but it's completely noticeable.
@@x8jason8x Maybe you're talking about _instrumental_ pitches. In singing there can (should!) be a quarter-step difference between omophones like -say- G sharp and A flat. And this is especially important in minor key melodies, more so in interwined 2-voice harmonized melodies. Not every singer is able to manage this quarter-step subtelty. But when two (or more) singers do manage to, it shines (esp in rehearsals a cappella). We call it "intervals' _fragrance_", as opposed to mere perfect-pitch intervals that sound correct but "dry". Anyway, her FIRST slide definitely went too high. She noticed it and corrected in the second slide.
It's a bit sad, Michelle, for a music reactor, that you don't understand some of the most basic fundamentals of music as a performance art. You should get out more, man! Ren and Chinchilla both sang every note EXACTLY as they meant to, to convey the meaning and emotion of the song.
@@MichelleShow I'm actually kind of the same. You don't know what you're talking about most of the time with your technical music critiques, but you also aren't as much of a twat as I once thought you were. LOL.
Though you know nothing about singing in harmonies in the same key -or pretend to- I like your provocative reaction style. I don't agree with your complaints - I mean, it is pretty obvious that it's meant to sound haunting- but I find them funny and entertaining. 😂
Hi Ren is deep. Eugene needs to check out the trilogy of Jenny and Screech. The story telling will trip you out. It's about 13 minutes, but it like a play, just like Hi Ren
Ren is the best talent 100% it would be good if you listen and hear his work. Ren is brilliant respected and loved.I think you will find that out and that will be fire.
If you want Ren singing, try some of his back catalogue pre-Sick Boi era. Also, him in his band The Big Push is fire 🔥 and he's recently done a mashup cover of some of Fred Again's material which sounds epic too
The thing with Ren is he's experimental with it. Sometimes it might miss, but it was always just a matter of time before something hit. He's talented as fuck
Not really super talented, but this was pretty good. I've heard enough of his stuff to agree with experimental though. He pretty much is a throw every basic formula he can artist. Not exceedingly great at writing great music, but he panders to his audience like a pro, and has work ethic... which is all you need to succeed in the pop zeitgeist currently. He reminds me of Kurt Cobain in a way. Not exceedingly talented, but sometimes you don't need to be. Sometimes you just need to be relatable.
This is called dissonant chords . It’s intentional to create an awkward anxiety to the song. These aren’t typical harmonies. Ren is a master at creating this tension. It sounds out of tune but it’s intentional. Like creepy.
Ren snd Chinchilla are fire 🔥 when they sing together.. They were singing exactly how they meant to sound. Their voices were meant to sing together. You are wrong about the pitch being off. Sometimes it helps to just give the song more than a few seconds before making assumptions ...the way they sing together was meant to create an unsettling feeling Peace
As always i love your reactions its rare to find an honest reactor lol that said-they mismatched on purpose. You can tell because when theyre meant to and want to match they absolutely can
The part you are confused on is not wrong. In music theory lets take a simple chold like C major. C major is made up of 3 notes..C, E, G. Now let's say Ren is singing C and Chinchilla is singing say in E or G. Even though they are singing different notes, they are still singing within the structure C major. This is an extremely basic explanation and there are endless possibilties withen music to create a certain type of feel/mood. It's very much intentional.
Yes, exactly, except she was missing the notes by a half step, when she wasn't octaving and burying Ren's voice lol. It's called harmonizing when referring to singing. I don't know if the half step off was intentional for some weird attempt at dissonance, or she just missed, but it happened several times. It's not bad overall musically at all, especially for Ren tracks, but holy crap does it give cringe over 9000 as a video. This one-take thing just doesn't do it justice imo.
@@x8jason8x I watched some videos from Chris Liepe who is a vocal coach for a lot of the big name artists and he and REN even face timed during some vocal breakdowns of some of his songs. He did vocal breakdowns of this song here as well as many other REN songs. He suggested that where the beginning sounded "off" was very much deliberate in creating an "uneasiness feel" to mirror something of an uneasiness nature would later be revealed in the song. At the end of the day, I guess we'll never actually know with absolute certainty.
So, in music theory, we have something called dissonance. To dumb it down, it’s basically when artists do something that doesn’t sound or feel right. It’s actually done intentionally because it makes the listener feel on edge. Like you did. You kept saying it didn’t sound “right” in certain points of the song. Here’s why they chose to do it. Yes, it sounds “off” or “wrong” but it makes the impact of things sounding “right” more powerful. I know you’re a hater by trade, and that’s cool. I just didn’t want you to think it was a “mistake” it was done intentionally. It’s just another way to create tension in music. It’s not everyone’s thing, but I’m pretty sure Ren and Chinchilla don’t give a fuck.
She's not fucking up anything. Lol. She's not meant to match the pitch! It's meant to be unsettling. Please listen again with your new Ren appreciation ears. Lol
He writes all his own stuff. Does his own beats. Plans every vid out like a type a personality would. Crutch or fred again has got to be your next by him lol. I love that you dont love him but still can appreciate his music sometimes... might be a good selection for your next reacts for the type of reactor you are
You know because we know you are hating we are literally not even giving you the traction you would get if only you would only your mind..how about you do seven sins lyrical song and let us all know what your brain makes of that song. Because if you don't like that song you are really just not willing to open your ears
What wait ……wha what is going on here ! U actually enjoyed it 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 finally u can see a glimmer of what we see in ren .please bro could u do ren HUMBLE I’m 100% sure u would enjoy it well 99% u are the greatest hater ever so I could be wrong
Check out Annalisa, an amazing singer from Italy. She dropped great album recently that has awesome songs in it: Bellissima, Ragazza Sola, Euforia, Sinceramente. She has a powerful voice and her live performances are very strong. React to her, you won't regret it.
This simply demonstrates how little musical knowledge you actually have (which I think is universally recognized anyway). These vocals are perfectly harmonized - you simply don't understand how harmony works. I guess you can add that to the long list of things you have no idea about.
Really ? Geez man - I take back my apology - show us your skills sweetie. Would love to see you do any bars or singing or anything that even touch this one . Thought you’d had enough after Ren smacked you . ❤
Not only is she fucking up the pitch but she’s intermittently messing up the timing on those parts. Also, I agree they could have done better on the Halloween part.
She's trying to harmonize and missing a bit. Sounds like what Patsy Cline used to do but she eventually hit the note lol. I agree that Ren sounds good here, the video is cringe though haha.
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Ren and Chinchilla got a song called "Chalk Outlines" that's better than this one!
You react to em just to get views. You are a Em D rider like everyone else. You are a stan
LMAO! I knew that singing intro was going to get to you MichelleShow, you really hate singing! I believe that's a legit weakness you have!🤣
I was also waiting for you to react to that Megan Thee Stallion dissing Nicki Minaj. Now for Important context to this rap beef and how it started, was simply Nicki Minaj being JEALOUS AF about Megan Thee Stallion getting a bit more popular, meanwhile Nicki Minaj. So for 3 plus years Nicki was constantly cyber bullying Megan during Megan's work on her album Cobra. So finally Megan released a track which IMO it's technically not a super aggressive diss track because there are subtle shots fired at Nicki Minaj, but also her entire family and ex boyfriend, and EVEN DRAKE is getting some subs at them. I especially will look forward to when you hear Megan drop that bar at Nicki Minaj, because after that one bar Nicki was spazzing on Twitter like a trigger BITCH, like she can't handle when pettiness is thrown back at her!🤣
@@duarteduarte3649how he a stan he literally said em got killed in the last 2 reactions while all the other reactors say how em already won because it's "ghostwritten" or because of the track he did 20 years ago
Its' simple. He likes Ren, he just really doesn't want to like him. It's comical.
Right?
I like him as a person
Miss Chinchilla sang exactly the notes she was meant to sing. They’re unsettling on purpose.
Hey the man is giving Ren props The baby steps lol I'm actually listening through this got me to actually listen through got to say it ain't bad
The song was suppose to be haunting, it's about his friend who jumped off The Menai Bridge late one night when Ren was a younger man. Ren was the first to reach the bridge after a mutual friend alerted him to something going on. Ren was just a few moments too late to an empty bridge where his best friend had been. They never recovered the body. Listen again and you will get a different feel from it. Thanks for giving it an open minded listen.
Wow thats terrible
This is an original song by Ren.
Fire writing dam near perfect
@@MichelleShowChalk Outlines by Ren and Chinchilla. Also Fingers (Live!) by Chinchilla. You won't regret it.
Co-written by Chinchilla!
They are not singing in octaves, but in thirds and diminished fourths, which gives it this erie and haunting vibe. And they are both doing a very good job, especially as this is a live performance. I think the musical expression is totally on point.
Yeah it's only like every fourth note matches or something like that So there's like some like weaving in and out of tune but you know the notes are Just mathematically not going to match up when they are purposely anti-syncrocity if that's even a word
Seems they come together at the end though
Great reaction. We know you loved it, you just had to have a wee complain in the middle. 😂 Big up from the UK. 💯
It’s fire
Facts!
Eugene, Ren did write this song as well as all of them unless it's a retake. As far as the vocals go, and I say this as a singer, they're not off key, it's a stylized choice. You may not like the sound or style and that's fine. I've watched a lot of reactions to this, particularly from singers & vocal coaches, etc. I haven't heard vocal criticism on that tune or Chalk Outlines. Both are done live, one shot. These are not reactors who pander. I know one of those when I see one. No hate here. I still watch your Ren Dotta reaction every once in a while, cracks me up.
Fire writing I didn’t know ren had this in him
He wrote the lyrics to the retakes too, the beats were the retake part.
She is off key. She's missing the harmony in several parts by a half step. Maybe it's stylized, maybe it isn't, but it's my job to know, hear, and correct these things. Harmonic minors are tough to duo, and many times when it's not noticeable, it's her simply octaving which can also be jarring in a duo, burying one singer or the other.
It's not terrible here, but it's completely noticeable.
F...the pitch, and the key, this is pure emotion!! El que sabe..sabe,y el que no, enseña!
@@x8jason8x Maybe you're talking about _instrumental_ pitches. In singing there can (should!) be a quarter-step difference between omophones like -say- G sharp and A flat. And this is especially important in minor key melodies, more so in interwined 2-voice harmonized melodies. Not every singer is able to manage this quarter-step subtelty. But when two (or more) singers do manage to, it shines (esp in rehearsals a cappella). We call it "intervals' _fragrance_", as opposed to mere perfect-pitch intervals that sound correct but "dry".
Anyway, her FIRST slide definitely went too high. She noticed it and corrected in the second slide.
It’s don’t matter what your criticisms-all I ever hear is “Michelle show can clean that shit up” and like Pokémon but with dreads.
🤣
It's a bit sad, Michelle, for a music reactor, that you don't understand some of the most basic fundamentals of music as a performance art. You should get out more, man! Ren and Chinchilla both sang every note EXACTLY as they meant to, to convey the meaning and emotion of the song.
It’s because rapping is not singing and they definitely don’t harmonize. Singing is alot different..
❤ Great to see you enjoying this beautiful song!
This might be his best song
Chalk outlines by these two is good
Deaf pokemon with dreads
😅
Ren is fantastic!! Loved the reaction. A little bit of a positive Ren reaction from you was a pleasant surprise lol love the channel
I dont know why i like you, but i do! Great reaction Michelle 😁
I’m surprised comin from a ren fan
@@MichelleShowI’m a Ren fan too, and I’m still here 😁
@@MichelleShowKeep holding on to that surprise. It's haunting and get stuck in your brain.
@@MichelleShow I'm actually kind of the same. You don't know what you're talking about most of the time with your technical music critiques, but you also aren't as much of a twat as I once thought you were. LOL.
Yo I'm impressed you gave our boy ren a second chance. Dude you got to dig into him. He does everything and I once again am impressed.
I ❤ this reaction. You are really putting in the work this week and I'm here for it.
Grindmode
Chinchilla is perfect
Though you know nothing about singing in harmonies in the same key -or pretend to- I like your provocative reaction style. I don't agree with your complaints - I mean, it is pretty obvious that it's meant to sound haunting- but I find them funny and entertaining. 😂
You made it through the whole thing ….baby steps but I love that you did 😂
Yea I like this one
Right !? I’m so glad he did. I still wish he would revisit Hi REN. A girl can hope!
Hi Ren is deep. Eugene needs to check out the trilogy of Jenny and Screech. The story telling will trip you out. It's about 13 minutes, but it like a play, just like Hi Ren
LOL I've never heard anyone complain about harmony before. Funny reaction though. Loved the ghost 👻
@user-or2wb5nm5s but this is pure and unedited music.
Damn you don't have an ear! You say she's screwing it up?! They were fusing just right foo..
Ren is the best talent 100% it would be good if you listen and hear his work. Ren is brilliant respected and loved.I think you will find that out and that will be fire.
They are at the very spot where his friend jumped off the bridge. Thats why there's so much emotions into it.
No matter if you hate or love something, I’m always entertained by your reactions! 😂😂💯
Yeah… If you do a bit of research on Ren….. He does feel this from his soul! It’s personal!
Rens like a modern-day folk singer holy shit
Hell hath frozen over--I hear MichelleSWhow saying something positive about Ren. I guess I'll subscribe to see more.
You like to jump to conclusions early...
Listen to the live version of Chalk Outlines, its a much better example of their vocal range.
Bet
It's about the Raw emotion not the accuracy in the pitch. Chinchilla is an amazing singer- Try chalk out lines.
She is singing exactly the way she is supposed to be singing!
If you want Ren singing, try some of his back catalogue pre-Sick Boi era. Also, him in his band The Big Push is fire 🔥 and he's recently done a mashup cover of some of Fred Again's material which sounds epic too
The thing with Ren is he's experimental with it. Sometimes it might miss, but it was always just a matter of time before something hit. He's talented as fuck
Not really super talented, but this was pretty good. I've heard enough of his stuff to agree with experimental though. He pretty much is a throw every basic formula he can artist. Not exceedingly great at writing great music, but he panders to his audience like a pro, and has work ethic... which is all you need to succeed in the pop zeitgeist currently.
He reminds me of Kurt Cobain in a way. Not exceedingly talented, but sometimes you don't need to be. Sometimes you just need to be relatable.
Michelle Ren is a tremendous talent! Put on Losing It and The Hunger which will be more your speed. Ren is incredible he is so amazing.
He didn’t like The Hunger. Reacted to it a while back.
@@angiel3412 figures …
FFS.....after clought like Ur buddy
It's Ren's song. Do Fred Again Mashup by Ren!!!
I get a feeling you would like Chinchilla! All of her collabs with REN are 🔥but i'd suggest you checked out "Fingers" Live by her
lol, It's pitching perfect dude!! It's supposed to be harrowing.
I don't know how a British dude tapped into the soul of the Southern US field work sound.
Right
They both sounded exactly the way they were supposed to... Perfect
This is called dissonant chords . It’s intentional to create an awkward anxiety to the song. These aren’t typical harmonies. Ren is a master at creating this tension.
It sounds out of tune but it’s intentional. Like creepy.
You either have hearing problems or it’s Opposite Day in your mind.
Remember, it's live. Everything Ren does is live one take but the last two colabs
This song breaks me everytime love it
After that dotta thing u still react to him 100 percent respect to you N you were honest...thanks
Ren wrote the song!
8:27 I'm dead asf 😆
Michelle, have you checked out " back on 74" by Ren?
Each to their own. Maybe because Ren sounds so different it's hard for people to except.
The first part Chinchilla was a bit of key, but she worked it out. Great reaction.
Agreed
I am a Ren fan and this was hilarious!!! 😂❤😂😂
Ren snd Chinchilla are fire 🔥 when they sing together.. They were singing exactly how they meant to sound. Their voices were meant to sing together. You are wrong about the pitch being off. Sometimes it helps to just give the song more than a few seconds before making assumptions ...the way they sing together was meant to create an unsettling feeling
Peace
LMAO! I knew that singing intro was going to get to you MichelleShow, you really hate singing! I believe that's a legit weakness you have!🤣
I liked the singing in this song. Just the ghost howling wasn’t it.
Even if you don't do reactions to him, you've got to dig into Ren. He doesn't have just one lane. Genesis, crutch, power.
Yeah. He was right “ugly with dreads”
Yes, Ren wrote that. You are correct on the pitch...but it's a raw, live performance, and it's still awesome.
You Make Me Happy Eugene!
As always i love your reactions its rare to find an honest reactor lol that said-they mismatched on purpose. You can tell because when theyre meant to and want to match they absolutely can
Was worried the hate had gone but I shouldn’t have worried
Ren can sing pretty good
👻👻👻👻
@@heckheckle7040 🤣
I love SATIRE. I have someone who will Ghost write a song for you hahahahah
As much as you're supposed to be trying to hate on Ren, and as much as I love him, that bit at the end with Corey Taylor cracked me up 🤣
just popped up unannounced
And now that you've deepened in your spirit, revisit " hi ren" I think you'll see why so many respected the artistry
Dissonant chords is a whole technique bro
You should finish that Corey Talyor singing Snuff video!😂 Shit's a dope performance.
The part you are confused on is not wrong. In music theory lets take a simple chold like C major. C major is made up of 3 notes..C, E, G. Now let's say Ren is singing C and Chinchilla is singing say in E or G. Even though they are singing different notes, they are still singing within the structure C major. This is an extremely basic explanation and there are endless possibilties withen music to create a certain type of feel/mood. It's very much intentional.
Yes, exactly, except she was missing the notes by a half step, when she wasn't octaving and burying Ren's voice lol. It's called harmonizing when referring to singing. I don't know if the half step off was intentional for some weird attempt at dissonance, or she just missed, but it happened several times.
It's not bad overall musically at all, especially for Ren tracks, but holy crap does it give cringe over 9000 as a video. This one-take thing just doesn't do it justice imo.
@@x8jason8x I watched some videos from Chris Liepe who is a vocal coach for a lot of the big name artists and he and REN even face timed during some vocal breakdowns of some of his songs. He did vocal breakdowns of this song here as well as many other REN songs. He suggested that where the beginning sounded "off" was very much deliberate in creating an "uneasiness feel" to mirror something of an uneasiness nature would later be revealed in the song. At the end of the day, I guess we'll never actually know with absolute certainty.
Great reaction
These are Ren’s lyrics and joint composer credits.
I do agree, ChinChilla was hitting them octaves a bit higher than Ren. Song was kinda meh for me.
The best part of this Ren video is seeing Corey Taylor at the end
MY BOY!
Show us how it should be done man.. be interesting to hear
So, in music theory, we have something called dissonance. To dumb it down, it’s basically when artists do something that doesn’t sound or feel right. It’s actually done intentionally because it makes the listener feel on edge. Like you did. You kept saying it didn’t sound “right” in certain points of the song. Here’s why they chose to do it. Yes, it sounds “off” or “wrong” but it makes the impact of things sounding “right” more powerful. I know you’re a hater by trade, and that’s cool. I just didn’t want you to think it was a “mistake” it was done intentionally. It’s just another way to create tension in music. It’s not everyone’s thing, but I’m pretty sure Ren and Chinchilla don’t give a fuck.
That's interesting to know.
Haunting sounding vocals. I get it now
Man, that ghost poop had me rolling
This song a go crazy in the haunted house
Ren wrote this song for his friend Joe who he lost when they were younger. His song Suicide tells a deep story about what happened
Chinchilla also co-wrote this song
Live version… the Halloween noises they’re making are vocal impressions of the strings on the studio version. ✌️❤️
She's not fucking up anything. Lol. She's not meant to match the pitch! It's meant to be unsettling.
Please listen again with your new Ren appreciation ears. Lol
Dude please do tale of Jenny and screech . It’s like nothing I’ve seen.
Oh, thank god, I thought you were gonna be nice this whole video.
And not tell the truth? That ain’t me.
the howling is just imitating the instrumentals in the studio version.....so u would def prefer that i guess
For a "Music Reactor", it's obvious your depth of musical knowledge is as shallow as your music reactions. *Clicks Do Not Recommend Channel*
The other 1 he did with chinchilla is better.
Can't believe you actually liked a ren song
He writes all his own stuff. Does his own beats. Plans every vid out like a type a personality would. Crutch or fred again has got to be your next by him lol. I love that you dont love him but still can appreciate his music sometimes... might be a good selection for your next reacts for the type of reactor you are
You know because we know you are hating we are literally not even giving you the traction you would get if only you would only your mind..how about you do seven sins lyrical song and let us all know what your brain makes of that song. Because if you don't like that song you are really just not willing to open your ears
Goodness sakes ! No one is off tune - chinchilla is amazing - I know you are a hater - but way off on this one . Good luck 👍
when we getting
lupe rocafella yall
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ransom last gasp
king los the secret recipe
What wait ……wha what is going on here ! U actually enjoyed it 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 finally u can see a glimmer of what we see in ren .please bro could u do ren HUMBLE I’m 100% sure u would enjoy it well 99% u are the greatest hater ever so I could be wrong
Wow. Well done.xx
Check out Annalisa, an amazing singer from Italy. She dropped great album recently that has awesome songs in it: Bellissima, Ragazza Sola, Euforia, Sinceramente. She has a powerful voice and her live performances are very strong. React to her, you won't regret it.
This simply demonstrates how little musical knowledge you actually have (which I think is universally recognized anyway). These vocals are perfectly harmonized - you simply don't understand how harmony works.
I guess you can add that to the long list of things you have no idea about.
Yoooooooo
That was the live version the studio version is probably more on pitch i guess 😂 i prefer the live as theirs more emotion
Really ? Geez man - I take back my apology - show us your skills sweetie. Would love to see you do any bars or singing or anything that even touch this one . Thought you’d had enough after Ren smacked you . ❤
That ghost..😅
Not only is she fucking up the pitch but she’s intermittently messing up the timing on those parts. Also, I agree they could have done better on the Halloween part.
Can we get a ren-i shot the sherriff reaction
You have to do Snuff, you will fuck with it!👌
lmao 👻
Michelle PLEASE check out benzino talking about em on drank champs🙏😭
Cassidy diss EM
She's trying to harmonize and missing a bit. Sounds like what Patsy Cline used to do but she eventually hit the note lol. I agree that Ren sounds good here, the video is cringe though haha.