@@Schrift_Mthey can have the trophy it doesn't matter but if they start calling themselves a champion because Fnop wins and it was org of indo then that's becoming a delusional because Moonton recognized PH as the champion not indo period so let them dream that they were the champions
It’s kinda sad that MLBB is one of the few esports that people value achievements over individual performance. Like in League, Uzi is considered one of the greatest of all times despite never winning worlds, faker 2017 was considered the best individual player of all time despite not winning worlds that year, and in CSGO, s1mple is considered the GOAT despite having only 2 majors, while players like device has like 4. And it’s for this particular reason that people are not respecting the players in MLBB, like I see so many people saying sanz is shit because he doesn’t have a world title, or like kairi is shit. If you actually watch the games, Sanz 2023 was arguably the greatest midlaner performance of all time (over the span of a single year). Imo, kelra is already in GOAT status contention just based on his individual performance, even when he is not in a top team, he is entering the conversation of the best goldlaners at that time, i.e. S10 S11 S12 S13, like people keep talking about him and how good he is even when he’s not winning anything. Imo, KarlTzy > Phew, FlapTzy in GOAT conversation, he peaked more times and had better performances compared to Phew and FlapTzy. If anything I would rate the GOATS in order, KarlTzy, Kelra, Phewww, FlapTzy. It’s insane that in a team game people value the trophies more than individual performance when ranking players. By this logic some shit players that won M-series are better than the greats that never could. So you’re telling me before kelra won M6, oheb was better????? AINTNOWAY that’s some delusional type shit. Edit: wait I actually forgot about Edward. Now that you mentioned it, Edward is definitely the EXP lane goat and I would probably put him above FlapTzy. He’s definitely in the GOAT conversation tho, the only problem with it is when he was at his all time high (M3) he was playing with arguably the greatest jungle support duo of all time. Can’t believe I forgot about him. He never had a bad performance. M3-M4 consistently one of the best if not the best exp lane performance of all time. In MSC 2023 and M5, solid performances too. Edward > FlapTzy for me. Sorry that I forgot about him.
I think it’s coz mlbb players just can’t comprehend what is a good play to what’s not? Most only understands surface level, they don’t notice small important details and always use achievements as basis instead 😂 whether it be ph or whoever like my, when their team loses expect the opposing team to be discredited coz they have less achievements lmao Can’t really blame anyone for that happening, mlbb is way more casual compared to games you’ve mentioned
(not meant to hate or anything, I think you make good points) Now would you say based on your analysis that Edward is also in the GOAT conversation? I mean back when he was still in Blacklist, everyone had him in the EXP lane when they ask "Who is your dream team" it's always Edward. He was considered THE god of EXP lane . Now achievement wise, he really doesn't have much. He has 3 MPL's (one of them being a back to back s9 and s10) and 1 Worlds. But his consistency is what makes him good. He has 2 2nd places in MSC, and 4 M series appearance. His individual performace topped every EXP laner whether it was in PH or ID (BEFORE S12 BY THE WAY). And in s7 he won MPL while being a rookie. Beating out the arguably better team back then, Execration (with Kelra). Now, what I do appreciate about your analysis is that, I don't recall a single time where Kelra underperformed on a team, even when he was in EXE/OMG he was always consistent, no underperformances. Which I like.
@@Amanyaze wait I actually forgot about Edward. Now that you mentioned it, Edward is definitely the EXP lane goat and I would probably put him above FlapTzy. He’s definitely in the GOAT conversation tho, the only problem with it is when he was at his all time high (M3) he was playing with arguably the greatest jungle support duo of all time. Can’t believe I forgot about him. He never had a bad performance. M3-M4 consistently one of the best if not the best exp lane performance of all time. In MSC 2023 and M5, solid performances too. Edward > FlapTzy for me. He’s also better than Phew. Sorry that I forgot about him.
if you watch MSC 2 grandfinals aether main players already wearing bren esports jersey meaning after they won MPL PH season 1 they were acquired by Bren Esports but during MSC they still keep Aether Main name even though they are already bren and technically they already BREN Esports when they champ MSC 2, this is as per Aether Main original owner Akosidogie
@@mlbbxgamings9231technically they did I think cuz they have the aether main msc trophy the players for aether main were already signed to bren during that time they just didn't change their team name
@@aja0822 mirko literally explained it that the roster is the only msc champ not the org. If they already signed with bren, then ain't it necessary to used the eSports org name for the team? or else it doesn't count as the achievement of the whole org. in my opinion at least
@@behappy.4530 They were already acquired by Bren before MSC. They just used their old team name because that's what they used in MPL. Duckey and former Aether Main players already mentioned this way back.
@@behappy.4530Technically, bren won the 2nd msc. They acquired the roster before the msc happened, but they can't change the name because it was the Aether Main who won the mpl ph and the team obtained the spot in msc. The difference between what mirko said and this is that the omega hasn't acquired the roster yet during that msc (well, correct me if im wrong abt this)
kelra doesnt have sea games yet representing his country.. 2 worlds >>>>> various trophy.. it is very hard to win worlds. worlds is the peak tournament of mlbb
Bren already own aethermain back then its just moonton didnt allow the team name to change.... go watch the MSC grandfinals aethermain wearing bren jerseys so technically theyre already bren back then
Most of Mlbb pros mostly started their career at 17+ and retired around age of 25+, at the very max they can get probably 3 Mseries. So i guess having 2 rn already considered a GOAT
I was a fan of kelra since he killed karltzy without map vision Happy he finally got what he deserves But soon when he will underperform a little ,haters must be waiting to spread hate 😂
@@YOGAWA24 yeah the audacity of indo players and even their casters hahahahah embarrassing for real, imagine they wanted to claim the title of hardworks and dedictaions of filo players and coaches just bcoz the orgs owned by indo hahahahhaha
Kelra is on his way to be the Goat next year if he manage to be a consistent player and have a connect to his teammates even they already have a Mseries title.
Nope onic is the first golden org, cause bren already acquired aether main even before they got the msc. Just check their jersey you will see the bren logo.
@@jairozequeira3962 they are already acquired by Bren eSports after they won MPL PH but in the msc teams are not allowed to change their name so they are called as the former but the MSC medal is held by the Bren org
My opinion is that moontoon or any other legit sources should be the one giving the title or award if it's for an org. Just like a gift or a present, it cannot be called "it" if you give it to yourself. As well as you cannot declare yourself as the best employee in your workplace. If it's you, other group or individuals who says it, then it's yours and their opinion. If it's the administration declares it then it's official, and if overall statistics shows it then it's a fact. There's a quote we Filipinos are very familliar with, "Nagbubuhat ka nang sarili mong bangko." Not to be toxic to the community, but if their only angle of point of view to this is that they're just claiming their org as something like gold, of big worth and value then i think its valid. Onic really is one of the "Golden Orgs" in mlbb, "but not the best." They did not claim their org as the best. They only named or titled theirselves as a "Golden Org".
Kelra is not their yet. But if this current roster of FNOP will continue until M7 then we'll see to it. And btw, if kelra is one of the representative player in Seagames next year that'll probably give him status boost.
Sibol will have another trial for PH reps but it will be different coz of Esports Olympics plus SEA Games raises the stakes. Sibol did not want the same mistake that happened in 2024 lineup consists of MDL team
@@stayclan2130check the stats from kills , gold , assists and overall damage 😅inflicted in history of all mpl regions... it was all dominated by karltzy.. kelra is still far behind bud
@@roadrunner-kk2uv karltzy got 2 mseries but no msc but kelra completed just 1 more msc or 1 m series he goat lol tf u mean he's far behind he's just 1 behind karl
Karl has 3 MPL to Kelra’s 1. Karl has Sea Games; Kelra has none. Kelra has MSC, but Karl has none also. 2 Worlds >>>> 1 Worlds and 1 MSC. Karl was always relevant, making 2 teams a champ. Karlty is top 1 in the history of MPL in KILLS, gold farmed, and damage inflicted, top 1 in Retribution, and top 3 in overall assists in all history of MPL region… while Kelra was only seen as top 6 in kills and was not seen on other statistics… Karl was winning since MPL season 2, while Kelra just won this season only… DO THE MATH D^mb!!
I entered RRQ streams and they are still saying that Skylar is still the top 1 marksman in M6, greater than Kelra, Innocent, AeronShiki and Hiko. Thats dedicated RRQ fan delusions.
Lols ,almost said that during prime blacklist that they are the strongest team in mlbb has ever built but echo express came then ap bren came then fnop came..😂😂as of now its to early to say which strongest team of all because mpl ph teams are very unpredictable maybe for now fnop is very op .we dont know which from mpl ph will defeat them...winning in mpl ph are very difficult than winning mseries ..as ive said we dont know which team from mpl ph will defeat fnop next season..what if other ph team will defeat fnop next season ,are you still saying theyre strongest team
@@hanagakisasuke4160 Those 3 Bren players have a multitude of trophies won. They just didn't win MSC, M-Series, and MPL, they also won SEA Games and other international tournaments. And KarlTzy and Flap have multiple MVPs as well.
Bren as golden org are acceptable than onic. Bren have sea games medal and 2 m - series championships.. onic they got those achievement because of our filipino players. If rounding off
Seagames and IESF represent the country not the org, plus it’s SIbol Team is the winner of Seagames and IESF not Bren, Sibol composed of 2 teams. And they are Phil Team not org name. So technically we are talking org. Not country
Those 3 Bren players (1 former) are just insane. Their achievements are just crazy. And even Ribo is GOATED as well.
Kelra is not "GOAT" Yet you need 2 m-worlds trophy's to require the goat 🐐 status
Well goat or not hes kelra
I'd rather be kelra than flap
Indo people want to get the m6 trophy from ph😂
@@cartman7570this is base on achievement not your feeling
@@Schrift_Mthey can have the trophy it doesn't matter but if they start calling themselves a champion because Fnop wins and it was org of indo then that's becoming a delusional because Moonton recognized PH as the champion not indo period so let them dream that they were the champions
GOAT needs 2 m series
Even msc too
@@noboru5138Kelra has msc
nahh need 3 tobe the one
M series = Worldcup
MSC = Ballon d'or
snapdragon = league
@@SKYCENZOmpl = league
It’s kinda sad that MLBB is one of the few esports that people value achievements over individual performance. Like in League, Uzi is considered one of the greatest of all times despite never winning worlds, faker 2017 was considered the best individual player of all time despite not winning worlds that year, and in CSGO, s1mple is considered the GOAT despite having only 2 majors, while players like device has like 4. And it’s for this particular reason that people are not respecting the players in MLBB, like I see so many people saying sanz is shit because he doesn’t have a world title, or like kairi is shit. If you actually watch the games, Sanz 2023 was arguably the greatest midlaner performance of all time (over the span of a single year). Imo, kelra is already in GOAT status contention just based on his individual performance, even when he is not in a top team, he is entering the conversation of the best goldlaners at that time, i.e. S10 S11 S12 S13, like people keep talking about him and how good he is even when he’s not winning anything. Imo, KarlTzy > Phew, FlapTzy in GOAT conversation, he peaked more times and had better performances compared to Phew and FlapTzy. If anything I would rate the GOATS in order, KarlTzy, Kelra, Phewww, FlapTzy. It’s insane that in a team game people value the trophies more than individual performance when ranking players. By this logic some shit players that won M-series are better than the greats that never could. So you’re telling me before kelra won M6, oheb was better????? AINTNOWAY that’s some delusional type shit.
Edit: wait I actually forgot about Edward. Now that you mentioned it, Edward is definitely the EXP lane goat and I would probably put him above FlapTzy. He’s definitely in the GOAT conversation tho, the only problem with it is when he was at his all time high (M3) he was playing with arguably the greatest jungle support duo of all time. Can’t believe I forgot about him. He never had a bad performance. M3-M4 consistently one of the best if not the best exp lane performance of all time. In MSC 2023 and M5, solid performances too. Edward > FlapTzy for me. Sorry that I forgot about him.
Real😔
But some people will prolly argue with your statement even though it makes a lot of sense
I think it’s coz mlbb players just can’t comprehend what is a good play to what’s not? Most only understands surface level, they don’t notice small important details and always use achievements as basis instead 😂 whether it be ph or whoever like my, when their team loses expect the opposing team to be discredited coz they have less achievements lmao
Can’t really blame anyone for that happening, mlbb is way more casual compared to games you’ve mentioned
(not meant to hate or anything, I think you make good points)
Now would you say based on your analysis that Edward is also in the GOAT conversation? I mean back when he was still in Blacklist, everyone had him in the EXP lane when they ask "Who is your dream team" it's always Edward. He was considered THE god of EXP lane . Now achievement wise, he really doesn't have much. He has 3 MPL's (one of them being a back to back s9 and s10) and 1 Worlds. But his consistency is what makes him good. He has 2 2nd places in MSC, and 4 M series appearance. His individual performace topped every EXP laner whether it was in PH or ID (BEFORE S12 BY THE WAY). And in s7 he won MPL while being a rookie. Beating out the arguably better team back then, Execration (with Kelra).
Now, what I do appreciate about your analysis is that, I don't recall a single time where Kelra underperformed on a team, even when he was in EXE/OMG he was always consistent, no underperformances. Which I like.
@@Amanyaze wait I actually forgot about Edward. Now that you mentioned it, Edward is definitely the EXP lane goat and I would probably put him above FlapTzy. He’s definitely in the GOAT conversation tho, the only problem with it is when he was at his all time high (M3) he was playing with arguably the greatest jungle support duo of all time. Can’t believe I forgot about him. He never had a bad performance. M3-M4 consistently one of the best if not the best exp lane performance of all time. In MSC 2023 and M5, solid performances too. Edward > FlapTzy for me. He’s also better than Phew. Sorry that I forgot about him.
Kelra is the GOAT in the gold lane.
But GOAT player is another thing.
He needs more for that I guess
yeah that was such a dumb question, he left out the gold lane part
if you watch MSC 2 grandfinals aether main players already wearing bren esports jersey meaning after they won MPL PH season 1 they were acquired by Bren Esports but during MSC they still keep Aether Main name even though they are already bren and technically they already BREN Esports when they champ MSC 2, this is as per Aether Main original owner Akosidogie
Bren is the only team which won everything in mlbb
Not everything they haven't win msc
@@mlbbxgamings9231technically they did I think cuz they have the aether main msc trophy
the players for aether main were already signed to bren during that time they just didn't change their team name
@@aja0822 mirko literally explained it that the roster is the only msc champ not the org. If they already signed with bren, then ain't it necessary to used the eSports org name for the team? or else it doesn't count as the achievement of the whole org. in my opinion at least
@@behappy.4530
They were already acquired by Bren before MSC. They just used their old team name because that's what they used in MPL. Duckey and former Aether Main players already mentioned this way back.
@@behappy.4530Technically, bren won the 2nd msc. They acquired the roster before the msc happened, but they can't change the name because it was the Aether Main who won the mpl ph and the team obtained the spot in msc. The difference between what mirko said and this is that the omega hasn't acquired the roster yet during that msc (well, correct me if im wrong abt this)
Being the GOAT means you have to overachieve not only by team performance but also by individual performance.
MOBAZANE the goat of MLBB
No trophy's but his famous 😅
Famous in trashtalking 😅😅😅
Yeah hahha😂.. at this point he is a celebrity for mlbb.
HE IS THE GOAT GOLD LANE
having various tropy are better than 2x
And those 3 (Karl, Pheww, Flap) have many various trophies.
@riri2803 msc?
@@Everywhere08neither does onic ph have msc
kelra doesnt have sea games yet representing his country..
2 worlds >>>>> various trophy..
it is very hard to win worlds.
worlds is the peak tournament of mlbb
@@Everywhere08
'Various'.
Bren already own aethermain back then its just moonton didnt allow the team name to change.... go watch the MSC grandfinals aethermain wearing bren jerseys so technically theyre already bren back then
Most of Mlbb pros mostly started their career at 17+ and retired around age of 25+, at the very max they can get probably 3 Mseries. So i guess having 2 rn already considered a GOAT
I was a fan of kelra since he killed karltzy without map vision
Happy he finally got what he deserves
But soon when he will underperform a little ,haters must be waiting to spread hate 😂
MSC 2018 trophy is on BREN HQ right now so basically and obviously they won MSC title already and their varsity jacket has MSC title patch
let them cope, it's all that Indos can cling into right now 🤣
imagine claiming a title from a PH team because they belong to an Indo org 🤡
@@YOGAWA24 yeah the audacity of indo players and even their casters hahahahah embarrassing for real, imagine they wanted to claim the title of hardworks and dedictaions of filo players and coaches just bcoz the orgs owned by indo hahahahhaha
100% agree
Kelra not GOAT of mlbb yet
But goat of gold lane yes
Kelra is on his way to be the Goat next year if he manage to be a consistent player and have a connect to his teammates even they already have a Mseries title.
Kelra was always consistent on his performance just no results because of bad teammates his always on the dream line up of big names on mlbb
MOBAZANE is the goat of MLBB 😂 no international trophy's and his kairi and kelra famous level 😂😂😂
😂😂
Mobazane is not The GOAT, he is the COW = Continuesly 0 Wins 😂
And A pro player😂😂 not like both of you idiot epic division😂
Nope onic is the first golden org, cause bren already acquired aether main even before they got the msc. Just check their jersey you will see the bren logo.
hes not YET in the GOAT status
But can u guys name a PLAYER that got a
MSC CHAMP - FMVP
MPL PH - FMVP
MWORLD - FMVP ???
There's none. That's why Kelra is the GOAT gold laner.
@@riri2803 Kelra is Gold Standard. You need to get out of your cave lol
Kelra complete his journey....final MVP MPL MSC M6 he got all why still doubt him as GOAT
Aether main was bren that time just look at the jersey their wearing during msc
@@yperochi2066 they have the Bren t-shit , but why every one says , aether main is not Bren??
@jairozequeira3962 because that's what they are non for aither main, does everyone calls echo tlph? No some still call them echo
@@jairozequeira3962 but the fact that they are wearing bren jersey tells what organisation they are in
@@jairozequeira3962because not everyone knows that bren already acquired aether main even after they got msc
@@jairozequeira3962 they are already acquired by Bren eSports after they won MPL PH but in the msc teams are not allowed to change their name so they are called as the former but the MSC medal is held by the Bren org
Technically Bren is Golden Org. Bren already bought Aether Main roster before flying to indonesia to compete for MSC.
My opinion is that moontoon or any other legit sources should be the one giving the title or award if it's for an org. Just like a gift or a present, it cannot be called "it" if you give it to yourself. As well as you cannot declare yourself as the best employee in your workplace. If it's you, other group or individuals who says it, then it's yours and their opinion. If it's the administration declares it then it's official, and if overall statistics shows it then it's a fact. There's a quote we Filipinos are very familliar with, "Nagbubuhat ka nang sarili mong bangko."
Not to be toxic to the community, but if their only angle of point of view to this is that they're just claiming their org as something like gold, of big worth and value then i think its valid. Onic really is one of the "Golden Orgs" in mlbb, "but not the best."
They did not claim their org as the best. They only named or titled theirselves as a "Golden Org".
Kelra is not their yet. But if this current roster of FNOP will continue until M7 then we'll see to it. And btw, if kelra is one of the representative player in Seagames next year that'll probably give him status boost.
Onic is not golden org ap bren is ..
Soo the PH is the 1st Golden Country 😂😂✌🏻✌🏻
Those 3 only need msc on their resume to stand side by side with ribo😛
Maybe if kelra have sea games and iesf next kelra would be goat status?
BREN is the golden org.
I hope, Onic Ph will be the SIBOL representative so they will win SEA Games Gold medal
Maybe 2 years after this coming sea games. Coz we already got the team going to 2025 sea games. That's the Rrq kaito with kyletzy if i'm not mistaken.
@@peppa_pinkthat's 2024
@@peppa_pink your mistaken
Sibol will have another trial for PH reps but it will be different coz of Esports Olympics plus SEA Games raises the stakes.
Sibol did not want the same mistake that happened in 2024 lineup consists of MDL team
mirko is wrong. aether main won mpl ph s1 but bren esports won the msc. bren acquired aether main just after they won the mpl, no??
Winning by single m series it doesn't mean kelra is goat 😆
Bren esport vs onic esport
Onic is a Golden org….not onic ID,Even if the org is the same,Onic Ph represents ph and onic ID represents Indonesia
GOAT?! Nah kelra is not there yet
Nah just 1more champ he goat
@@stayclan2130check the stats from kills , gold , assists and overall damage 😅inflicted in history of all mpl regions... it was all dominated by karltzy.. kelra is still far behind bud
@@roadrunner-kk2uv karltzy got 2 mseries but no msc but kelra completed just 1 more msc or 1 m series he goat lol tf u mean he's far behind he's just 1 behind karl
Karl has 3 MPL to Kelra’s 1.
Karl has Sea Games; Kelra has none.
Kelra has MSC, but Karl has none also.
2 Worlds >>>> 1 Worlds and 1 MSC.
Karl was always relevant, making 2 teams a champ.
Karlty is top 1 in the history of MPL in KILLS, gold farmed, and damage inflicted, top 1 in Retribution, and top 3 in overall assists in all history of MPL region… while Kelra was only seen as top 6 in kills and was not seen on other statistics…
Karl was winning since MPL season 2, while Kelra just won this season only… DO THE MATH D^mb!!
@@stayclan2130
New fan giving out their uninformed takes, aye.
I entered RRQ streams and they are still saying that Skylar is still the top 1 marksman in M6, greater than Kelra, Innocent, AeronShiki and Hiko. Thats dedicated RRQ fan delusions.
Poor pignoy with their economy mindset
Poorest countries in Asia
Poor pek pek
@Kidboi1 Poor indogs with their poor and loser achievements in ALL SPORTS and E-SPORTS🤣🤣🤣
How about duckey? He got 3 m series
We're talking about the Players dude
"Golden Org" sounds lame because of this same reason. That's a total CREDIT GRAB BS. "Golden Region" makes more sense
Kelra is the GOAT 🐐 no matter what they say
Being goat is subjective, but the fact is 2 M series was better than 2 MSC and 1 MSeries
So what's more important msc or M series??
msc of course
msc of course
@@leclercc
For ij0ts like you.
Indo's mindset hahaahahaha
Onic ph is the strongest Mseries champion bcoz they win Mpl ph and Mseries champion are undefeated and not from lower bracket to win a championship
Lols ,almost said that during prime blacklist that they are the strongest team in mlbb has ever built but echo express came then ap bren came then fnop came..😂😂as of now its to early to say which strongest team of all because mpl ph teams are very unpredictable maybe for now fnop is very op .we dont know which from mpl ph will defeat them...winning in mpl ph are very difficult than winning mseries ..as ive said we dont know which team from mpl ph will defeat fnop next season..what if other ph team will defeat fnop next season ,are you still saying theyre strongest team
Kelra is not GOAT don't disrespect KARLTZY flap phew you need 2 m-worlds
He is not disrespecting them
u do realize that PHEW FLAP and KARL doesnt have an MSC trophy
@@hanagakisasuke4160are you saying that msc is more important that M series?😅😅😅
@@eunatrump1876 so are u saying that MSC is not a major achievement ???
@@hanagakisasuke4160 if your comparing it to M series. Yes. M Series is more important than MSC. go search in google what tier M series and MSC is
@@hanagakisasuke4160
Those 3 Bren players have a multitude of trophies won. They just didn't win MSC, M-Series, and MPL, they also won SEA Games and other international tournaments. And KarlTzy and Flap have multiple MVPs as well.
Onic golden org? Hahahah
Bren as golden org are acceptable than onic. Bren have sea games medal and 2 m - series championships.. onic they got those achievement because of our filipino players. If rounding off
Seagames and IESF represent the country not the org, plus it’s SIbol Team is the winner of Seagames and IESF not Bren, Sibol composed of 2 teams. And they are Phil Team not org name. So technically we are talking org. Not country
No goat yet lol i would consider someone goat if they have 3 m series