I did a long, 4000 mile cross-country trip last summer. Cruised at 80 or more (90 in Montana), and the car felt planted at those speeds. I wasn't being a mileage jockey at all, and averaged 31.7 for the whole trip. It's a hoot to drive, fast or slow. There's nothing like it at the price point. I'll keep it for years.
I'm 60 and I've wanted one for a while. My daughter has a 2019 and I just picked up a 2018 in Orange Spice with the Recaros. I don't find them uncomfortable at all. I'm not letting go of it anytime soon!
Need a new daily. Have 90 lb bulldog any know one else. Live off the 101 in Nor Cal! Down to this or old WRX wagon. Really thing the FiST is the way to go. $4.70 for ⛽ up here
I own a ‘16 FiST factory ordered and want to chime in on a few things : - Recaro seats are a must. In Canada they are standard from factory. Allow them to break in and they’ll be crazy comfy + they’re heated ! - Ford put a very conservative tune from factory with : No boost in 1st gear; limited boost in 2nd gear + 87 octane compatible tune. With a Cobb AP and a tune you can release the full potential and get smthn close to 300 lb/ft of torque from stock turbo in all gears ! You’ll only struggle with FWD grip and start looking for bigger tires to put all that power torque down! - Ford equipped the ST with the same rear motor mount as the regular Fiesta so one needs to throw that into garbage and instal an upgraded mount (Cobb for example) so the motor doesn’t hit heatshield and no lost power / jerky shifts. - Stock exhaust is meh. A SS exhaust with or without upgraded downpipe makes an amazing difference. Mine sounds awesome with a Stratified pops and crackles tune + Cobb SS catback - People like to talk sh*t abt the FiST and their owners. Fact is I still love the car after 2 years of ownership despite owning another car and a sportbike. In the future the only cars I am considering as an upgrade are ones in the new Corvette category and price point.
Yesterday I got a brand new 2018-2019 Fiesta ST with 56 miles (it came from another dealership) originally it was $25,000 but we got it down to $17,500 , it’s my first car and my payment is super low 😁
Nodq Soulja As far as total car payment with 7 years 75,000 mile Warrenty it’s $278 a month and my insurance is $120 a month ( my limits are super high at $300,000) I’m 19 BTW
Guys, try rotating your tires. You track the car so you don’t have to wait for the 7500 mile mark for tire rotation. There is no other cars in this class with this many features and performance.
Just rolled over 30k in my 2016 FiST that I bought new. Still smile every time I drive it, and still look back every time I park it. Also, a protune from Randy Robles at Mountune does wonders :)
IM OLDER THAN MOST FIST OWNERS AND IT'S A PERFECT REPLACEMENT 4 MY 2004 SVT FOCUS. LOVED THAT CAR. OWNED FOR 8 YEARS AND NEVER GOT BEAT BY A POS HONDA. HOPE 2 DO THE SAME THING W THIS. SO FAR SO GOOD. LOL.
The fiesta ST just has magic too it. The torque steer is bit of a challenge but it’s nothing unmanageable It actually adds to the character I love my little fiesta ST it’s juvenile and hilarious and I love it
Live in Nor Cal. Would be in mountains to sea level in an hour. Would the FiST hold up through the incline, sure it will stick to the curves going down..
The ride is probably what makes most over 30 get rid of it. The Sony stereo is quite awesome for a factory no charge radio. The looks are awesome. Super easy to drive. The Civic Si has terrible rev hang . The GTI is boring and really doesn't have much character. Every car has negatives, you gotta see what you can live with the best.
"The GTI is boring and really doesn't have much character." Nail, meet head, and I've owned and loved old VWs. I could not believe the accolades it got versus how lame it was to drive. The fastest car I've ever driven that didn't make me smile.
Yeah you here when he went into 2nd he cant drive they are not gonna say anything good about it because they get paid by Chevrolet so if its not a gm they gonna talk shit about it
I'm 38 and I've had mine since the summer of 16, I still love it, my wife calls it my mid life crisis car. I do agree with the cheapness of the plastics though, when it's cold bits of it rattles. Also the paint is really soft, scratches really easy, other than that I love it and will drive it into the ground.
The FIST has been the premier entry level track car since its introduction. That tells you all you need to know and you can ignore 95% of what these two say.
0-60 sub 7 seconds, tons of midrange torque, super light and you guys only beat a couple of cars drag racing? Either something is wrong with your car or you guys can't drive. Granted the best part of the Fiesta is the handling but you guys fail to mention it beat a lot of those cars around the track.
Spend $500 on bracing, $500 on an accessport, and even with the off-the-shelf tunes this literally becomes a different car. Full bolt on, on stock Turbo, and you will be hanging with vehicles you have no business hanging with. The straight-line guys go Big Turbo and have good results. If you do your part the 1.6 is a good little engine. If you just looking for a fun drive, I wouldn't go beyond full bolt on stock turbo.
I have had 2 Fiesta ST. One 2016 with Recaros, and paid $22,500. Traded in for 2019 without Recaros, and paid $20,500 for it. I put 42,000 miles on my 2016, and have 17k miles on my 2019. I am 58 years old, and have owned 57 cars. I travel for work, and rent cars a lot. I have driven or owned a WRX, Ford Focus ST, Ford Focus RS, a 5.0 mustang, a 911 Turbo, a regular 911, 2015 Chevy Corvette, Chevy SS, Camaro SS. The Fiesta ST is more fun to me than all of them. Why? Feels fast, Handles incredibly well for a short high seated hatch, and most importantly for me - police don't really notice the car. It's a very inexpensive street legal go kart.
Exactly my point of view. I'm 55 & had a bunch of sporty cars - but at the end of the day: got me a FiST about three years ago & when it comes to fun, there are very few & even more expensive sportscars, on the same high level of sheer driving pleasure. Because of what? Feels fast (although to be fair, it really isn't - comparing to real sportscars), handles nimble & has a direct steering feel (although electric, without a mechanic diff). Dampers & suspension are nearly perfect trimmed & balancend (for stock). And all the parts are in a harmonic balance for a rough ride. I live in germany & what's best about is not the autobahn drive (still the car catches up 95% of all the others there). No, it is the ride on small & curvy roads over hills. Cart feeling with torque enough to put the pedal down just before the apex...& ...smile!
one thing I don't understand is not that long ago all cars had cheap hard plastic interiors and they lasted just fine,my neighbors 2003 buick with 300000 miles still has a good interior made of hard plastic and my old 95 hardbody pickup that I sold to a friend years ago still has a decent look to it who's really knows if all these soft touch interiors will last any longer and why are people so concerned with feeling there dash just drive the damn thing and take care of it and it should be just fine
I would say, probably not at least in any wear and tear areas. The couple of cars I've had with soft touch if it's anywhere that you touch I've noticed wear marks after a few months.
I had several cars from the 50s and 60s with stamped steel dash boards and side window trim, that was the norm back then. Now I have two cars with soft touch areas, like the dash Etc. and I never have a need to touch/feel them.Remember what Mr. Whipple said, don't squeeze the Charmin!
Well this is a fiesta, so it's gonna be cheaper. A camry's plastics, for example will last fine, but of course, it costs like 10,000 more dollars so of course it will
your Fiesta ST is equipped with a full size, dissimilar spare tire assembly. Although the spare is a traditional, full size tire (as opposed to a mini spare), it is different in both size and handling characteristics from the standard Fiesta ST performance tire.
I hate North American's obsession with huge cars. Who gives a shit about an "SUV ST." The whole point so many people love the Fiesta ST, and cars like it, is because they're light, nimble and fun. It's not about straight line horsepower.
I saw enough reviews and I knew I had to have one ! For the record tommy missed the 1-2 for a solid second ! But this review and a few others made me get one and I am so happy with it ! 30 plus mpg beating on it on regular fuel . And my God I really feel like a race boy every time I drive it !
Thanks for your video! That ten second test he didn't rev it out enough in first gear.. if you nail that first to second gear change the car actually goes pretty fast, I find it is very hard to nail it tho but when you do you definitely know as the torque just catapults the car when it hits second as long as your still in the boost.. they do suffer from heat soak on warm days tho as a stock car.
I got a 2019 se model with 40k for around 9k. Bummer it doesn't have the turbo but it's a decent car. First "new car" I've over owned. Will probably keep it for 13 years and give it to my kid when she is 16
I am on my second one. First one was a 2014 and now have a 2016. I put 60k on the 2014 and have 50k on my 2016. I have a company car now so i dont drive it as much but when I do, it is still a blast to drive. Only thing I did to either one was on the 2016 I cut out the resonator and sounds better without being obnoxious.
I've never been so let down by any of your videos...until now. The Fiesta ST, compared to what's currently on the market, is one of the greatest bargains around. Great power to weight. Physics-bending dynamics. Reliability. Value. Practicality. It honestly sounds like you're both being sarcastic and joking around. You guys are much smarter than this. C'mon!!!
Bought my 2018 Fiesta ST in May. First thing I did was get rid of the stock tires/wheels and went with Team Dynamics Pro race wheels for 630 bucks shipped from the UK to my doorstep! I went down to 15s and got myself some 55mm sidewalls and the ride quality is amazing! Then I went cobb Stage 3 :) love this lil rocket! Also sitting at 4,500 miles.
I had one in 14 and got rid of it because of the bouncy made me sick ride. I wish I could ride in one with different wheels/tires/shocks to see what that really does for it. I loved that car as long as I didn't have to drive more than 20 minutes. I still find myself looking at them even after owning my awesome 2017 Camaro SS 6 speed. It may be I just don't do well with light cars.
0-60 is probably the worst aspect of the Fiesta ST. On back roads and even the freeway it feels so much faster. I have never had a problem passing or going up-hill. The ride is harsh and the seats can be a bit uncomfortable on long drives. Its a great car and can be used as a daily but I would have at least 2 cars if you want a Fiesta ST. I have had 2 ST's 3 years between the two and 40k miles or more driven. COBB tune on both vehicles.
I literally only mastered a manual weeks ago and already I'm hitting 7 or sub 7 0-60 times. Either this car really doesn't like the extra 2 people in it, or this dude really sucks at driving.
I have a 2011 Fiesta hatchback ses manual transmission not the sport model and it really doesn't feel like you are riding on the road or in a little race car. I have been in other brands subcompact models and felt like I was riding on the road. The Fiesta is extremely Comfortable for me to drive and gets much better gas mileage. That being said my dad finds it a little small for shifting as his feet are big, but being a passenger in the front seat is comfortable. I basically only have dogs and small people ride in the back seat. It is amazing what you can fit in the Fiesta especially if you put the back seats down. I brought a desk home in it I got from a friend, I have brought bags of fuel home for the stove, mulch for the yard I even have brought trees home I just put them out the top of the sunroof. It's a workhorse of a small car.
I'm sitting in my 2011 fiesta right now. My commute is about 45 minutes each way. Up to an hour, its okay. Not great, not bad, just okay. After an hour, I'm ready to get out if the car and I really don't want to get back in it. I think alot of that is how uselessly shaped and uncomfortable the seats are. Being 6'5, the headrest pokes forwards in the middle of my back between my shoulders. Honestly, it would be hard to make a less uncomfortable seat.
I can understand that difficulty if I was that tall, but I'm short. I'm sorry you have that problem. My dad has problems driving it because he is tall as well. It's extremely comfortable to me, but not him
I am getting 27.7mpg average over 9700 miles so far, mixed driving, highway/stop and go/lots of idling. I guess I'm nit driving efficiently? Maybe I am. I was getting 30mpg in a Honda CR-Z hybrid with CVT with the same driving type.
Just purchased a 2019 ST. First, my first car was a 1970 VW Beetle that was capable of a 14.3 second 0-60 time. Note, that was smoking fast for a Beetle back in 1971. So, my new ST is definitely faster than a Beetle. Also was surprised that the Ford Dealer was unwilling to swap out the 205R40-17 tires and rims for the 16 inch set for the ST-Line Fiesta (a Fiesta SE in ST badging). Because I knew from the get go that those rickey racer wheels would produce a horrible ride and be incredibly vulnerable to Michigan roads. As a result within a week I had a set of 16x7 wheels and some good all season Firestone's on the Fiesta. That change made for a HUGE difference in the ride quality and IMO had zero detrimental effects on the handling. Another plus is that the taller profile provides for a decent level of resistance to potholes. BTW, if you want to see real world evidence of the stupidity of today's super low profile tire fad all you have to do is look at any of the 3 major Racing venues. NASCAR, Indycar, and Formula One all use tires with a 50 or higher profile tire. Because when you crack a rim at 200 + mph the result will be a spectacular wreck that kills drivers and spectators without discrimination. Some acts just shouldn't be done without prefacing the act with "hold my beer and watch this" and putting 40 or 30 profile tires on an automobile is one of those acts. Shame on Ford for putting 205R40-17 wheels and tires on a car that will see duty on regular roadways. Finally I have to address that "real world" 0-60 run with an excess load of baggage of about 400 lbsl. It's a 197 HP engine and an extra 400 lbs. will have a significant impact on the 0-60 time. There is also the matter of the granny shifting being used. Finally I have to ask WHAT OCTANE FUEL were they using. Based on my Butt Sensor for G forces I would guess that using 89 octane gas reduces the engine output for 197 HP to something around 150-165 HP. On the plus side that reduced power does make it much easier to this old RWD geezer to get used to Torque Steer.
I only use super premium (91-97 octane depending on the time of year) with the NOS brand octane booster, the thing dynos 205hp and 210ftlbs torque. With an additional 350lbs of passengers in it with myself it most certainly goes from a 6.7s 0-60 to about 8.7s... but then again my normal passenger is scared of interstate speeds
I took on a Ford gt 2012 and kept up with it he had to down shift twice to leave my ads but I kept up with it for 2 miles there good at stop lights they can beat most cars off the line but long haul there gonna get beat but for gas mileage go kart handling you can t beat it and to get it for 18 grand that's a steal if it regular ly 23 grand
Not many people can afford them? Ford is dropping sedans BECAUSE SUVs are far outselling "cars". I am not a fan of Ford's plan but it is their business to improve or destroy at their leisure. Time shall tell if it is a wise move.
Yeah there gonna regret it people will go get a shitty Chevy cruze for gas mileage they better re think and bring the Europe fiesta St. Version over cuz gas is 250 to 3 dollars a gallon who the he'll can afford a sub if they got to commute to work over 45 min. To and hour drive a day stupid Ford better do something quick or people or gonna be Che y fans and Ford's gonna come up short
Another awesome review, real world living opinion review! And honest review, that's a good thing. Going to be very sorry to see the Fiesta go. This has been a very enjoyable segment in your line up. But you took the chance when you traded the Raptor in on it, and it has been a success. I'm sure the replacement will just as awesome or better. Are we going to get a farewell film for the Fiesta?
Does the elevation affect the performance of this engine all that much given that it is turbocharged? I was under the impression that only NA engines were badly affected by reduced oxygen at altitude
I am going to miss this car. You said it wasn’t fast in a straight line but at that small imi track it was very hard to beat. I hope you get new 2019 raptor with the updated suspension as replacement, and you tune it.
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This is my first TFL review and it's hard to watch, very disjointed and clunky, rough presentation and very dismissive of the car. The Fiesta ST has it's issues but trashing a car's tire wear because you spent all your time at the track or saying the interior is plasticy when it costs under $20k is just taking cheap shots. No comment was made about the stellar handling or the amazing braking, frankly if you aren't driving a Fiesta ST for the handling you're missing the entire point of the car. Also, Tommy needs to learn to shift.
I like it, for a daily commuter in the city. But,..I now have a 2017 Ford Escape, 2.0 Turbo with the trailer towing option, and am looking forward to 'trade in day' and the new Ranger.
Its also two three speed manual transmission built into the same case, but with computer control. It also has more then six gear ratios, but they are close enough together they are simply bypassed. Wish it had a decent overdrive ratio. 80mph sucks down on gas.
@@01gtbdaily30 Agreed. I owned a Fiesta ST for 2 years. I loved it. I test drove the Veloster before I got the ST and it felt like a matchbox car. I didn't like it at all. The ST in my opinion beats out the Veloster in every category.
These guys discuss the Fiesta ST's interior noise level. They totally miss that fact that the FiST has a "Symposer", a plastic hose that connects to the intake manifold on one end and the dashboard on the other end. It literally pipes sound from the engine into the interior to make occupants think they're in a more powerful car. That's the "genius" you get when you hire MBAs into your design department. The first mod I did to my 2016 FiST was install a symposer delete kit.
Dam... i payed too much . Im glad for all of you who got sweet deals ! My car at 40k mikes is great. But anytime i hop into another car i realize how uncomfortable it is, but i forget about it once im enjoying how it drives. But ya, without ideal roads at the wrong speeds will exhaust you. Now in mine the other annoyance is that it seems like every plastic and interior part crackles and creeks and makes my old 02 prizm sound and feel like a brand new high end luxury car... plus the heater wont blow hot till its been driven a 10 miles wich sucks when you live in cold country and work is 3 miles away... I know i could enjoy the wonderful qualities of this car more than i do, i baby the thing because I want it to last should i keep it around for a long time. But i do find myself thinking I'd rather have something more comfortable for my daily driver or finding ways to make the ride smother via different tires and rim selection..
You must be in sales managing a territory like me. I just got mine two months ago and have 9700+ miles on it, however I love driving it so much I drove on the weekends as well. I just can't stop driving it, it's just so good! Im making up for all the lost time and years driving Honda Fits and CR-Zs, I've wasted time and money on those dumb Hondas!!! Goodbye Honda. I finally got a manual with the FiST. It definitely has been taking me a while to get good at it, but hopefully no damage done, stalled some times and hard shifts, letting the clutch release too quickly many times, mostly 1st to 2nd has been taking me the whole time to get smoothly. There have certainly been plenty of frustrations along the way but I definitely love the connection and involvement and control in driving manual, like I said hope not doing any damage and doing everything the right way as I've been teaching myself since day one.
Bought one of these in 2017 the 2-door model. This car really comes alive when adding a few bolt ons a tune and removing some of the dead weight in the car, like the rear seats and spare tyre. Its making 220HP at the wheels and only weighing in at 1080KG. Only issue I've got would be the clutch biting point is soft and the ride quality on certain roads.
I agree with the ride quality being a bit rough. Replacing the wheels to a 16” wheel and getting better shocks and different springs will fix that issue.
The 19 has a mechanical limited slip differential with torque vectoring and active corner management... going to softer suspension will cause the car to behave erratically
@@80s_Boombox_Collector the stock 17"s on mine look almost perfect to size scale... but due to the weather where i live 17"s aren't always a good choice. My 08 fusion had 17"s and it didn't like the front range winter at all but it loved the mountain corridor winter *same brand/type of tires across 2 winters in Colorado*
2019 It has no oh shit handles and has no hanger hooks. Be wary of the transmission sometimes it sticks. When you push the start button sometimes it doesn't start for 10 seconds or so. Only the driver's window has express up-and-down. The other 3 windows hold to open and close. Sunroof only has express open not close. Engine makes non rpm noise. Finger controls such as blinkers and wipers could be more ergonomic designed. 1/2 moon storage below A/C useless anything will fall out. Hard to see traffic out right rear window corner even with rear headrests collapsed. ST should be fully loaded. Mine came without heated seats. However, seats are durable cloth unlike cold leather needing heat. Having said all that I dig the car white on black. I have a full size spare.
My 19 doesn't have the "10s no start" problem or the sticking transmission... but then again mine is spec'd almost identical to the 17 in this video. I don't have the black rims or painted brakes but i do have the factory 4 way recaro bucket seats *not the fancy race car version that's in fixed position* rear window visibility is fine as long as i drop my seat to the floor but the fact that i can only see out the bottom of the window means i have to be getting tailgated to have a car behind me blinding me
I hear, unfortunately that those wonderful and 'zippy' cars were plagued with crappy cylinder head gasket life. I saw one at a local dealership, and it sat there for most of the year. I'd buy one in a heartbeat, if only that engine had a better reputation.
But your fiat 500 only packs 68 hp and 110 ftlbs torque on a body that weighs 1800lbs. The fiesta packs right at 200hp 210 ftlbs torque on a body that weighs 2200-2700lbs depending on configuration while leaving "sporty" cars like the vw golf gti standing on the circuit
Yup, any 4 bangers with more passengers will feel slow. I drive my TC on onramps alone and can feel vvti at high RPM's, however, with passengers, that feeling isn't present.
I did a long, 4000 mile cross-country trip last summer. Cruised at 80 or more (90 in Montana), and the car felt planted at those speeds. I wasn't being a mileage jockey at all, and averaged 31.7 for the whole trip. It's a hoot to drive, fast or slow. There's nothing like it at the price point. I'll keep it for years.
I get about 38 mpg on my work commute, 60 miles at 65-70 mph on regular.
@@freeaolcd Yeah, it does a lot better if you can keep it out of boost. Kinda hard to resist, though. 🙂
I'm 76, and I love it!!
I like your style!
I'm 60 and I've wanted one for a while. My daughter has a 2019 and I just picked up a 2018 in Orange Spice with the Recaros. I don't find them uncomfortable at all. I'm not letting go of it anytime soon!
Need a new daily. Have 90 lb bulldog any know one else. Live off the 101 in Nor Cal! Down to this or old WRX wagon. Really thing the FiST is the way to go. $4.70 for ⛽ up here
I'am now going to be 79 in couple of months, my ST has 84,000 miles on it still runs great, and still love it!
I own a ‘16 FiST factory ordered and want to chime in on a few things :
- Recaro seats are a must. In Canada they are standard from factory. Allow them to break in and they’ll be crazy comfy + they’re heated !
- Ford put a very conservative tune from factory with : No boost in 1st gear; limited boost in 2nd gear + 87 octane compatible tune. With a Cobb AP and a tune you can release the full potential and get smthn close to 300 lb/ft of torque from stock turbo in all gears ! You’ll only struggle with FWD grip and start looking for bigger tires to put all that power torque down!
- Ford equipped the ST with the same rear motor mount as the regular Fiesta so one needs to throw that into garbage and instal an upgraded mount (Cobb for example) so the motor doesn’t hit heatshield and no lost power / jerky shifts.
- Stock exhaust is meh. A SS exhaust with or without upgraded downpipe makes an amazing difference. Mine sounds awesome with a Stratified pops and crackles tune + Cobb SS catback
- People like to talk sh*t abt the FiST and their owners. Fact is I still love the car after 2 years of ownership despite owning another car and a sportbike. In the future the only cars I am considering as an upgrade are ones in the new Corvette category and price point.
Thank you need a daily that I can have fun in on my days off.
Yesterday I got a brand new 2018-2019 Fiesta ST with 56 miles (it came from another dealership) originally it was $25,000 but we got it down to $17,500 , it’s my first car and my payment is super low 😁
who cares about your super low payments. whats the total price of the car after u got it financed? LMAO
Quite a difference from brand new to 170k on the odometer .
for an ST?! Nice! Pricey for a first car but it is new. Take care of it and congrats
Nodq Soulja As far as total car payment with 7 years 75,000 mile Warrenty it’s $278 a month and my insurance is $120 a month ( my limits are super high at $300,000)
I’m 19 BTW
Nodq Soulja I also put $4,000 down
Guys, try rotating your tires. You track the car so you don’t have to wait for the 7500 mile mark for tire rotation. There is no other cars in this class with this many features and performance.
The fact they never rotated them and complained on tire tread in the front killed me
@@phillipconant They aren't car guys who do maintenance.......
Just rolled over 30k in my 2016 FiST that I bought new. Still smile every time I drive it, and still look back every time I park it. Also, a protune from Randy Robles at Mountune does wonders :)
Can't say enough good things about mountune. It's not cheap, but they make good stuff.
IM OLDER THAN MOST FIST OWNERS AND IT'S A PERFECT REPLACEMENT 4 MY 2004 SVT FOCUS. LOVED THAT CAR. OWNED FOR 8 YEARS AND NEVER GOT BEAT BY A POS HONDA. HOPE 2 DO THE SAME THING W THIS. SO FAR SO GOOD. LOL.
The fiesta ST just has magic too it. The torque steer is bit of a challenge but it’s nothing unmanageable It actually adds to the character I love my little fiesta ST it’s juvenile and hilarious and I love it
I absolutely LOVE my Fiesta ST. On a nice canyon road, it's a giant slayer. Probably the best driving experience I've had. It's an amazing car.
Live in Nor Cal. Would be in mountains to sea level in an hour. Would the FiST hold up through the incline, sure it will stick to the curves going down..
@@anthonybryant7390 the fist has a ton of low end torque for it's engine size so it's a lot of fun on canyon roads, up or down.
Going to test drive one soon. Sure once I do it's on.
2017 nearly 2yrs at 23,000 miles, I love my daily driver ST. Fun! Fun! Fun!
bikechef twenty-two have you raced and civic si? Torn between one of these and a new civic si gotta drive both and compare em soemtime
The ride is probably what makes most over 30 get rid of it. The Sony stereo is quite awesome for a factory no charge radio. The looks are awesome. Super easy to drive. The Civic Si has terrible rev hang . The GTI is boring and really doesn't have much character. Every car has negatives, you gotta see what you can live with the best.
The Focus' ride isn't any better
"The GTI is boring and really doesn't have much character."
Nail, meet head, and I've owned and loved old VWs. I could not believe the accolades it got versus how lame it was to drive. The fastest car I've ever driven that didn't make me smile.
You’ve hit the nail on the head, the ride is why I’m getting rid of mine
@@2LiterFoxBody need new daily, want a 2013 gti or 2016 Fist. ? Which way should I go?
@@anthonybryant7390 depends on how much you value comfort and ride quality. If not much, then Fiesta
Those shifts..... sell it before you guys destroy the clutch
Yeah you here when he went into 2nd he cant drive they are not gonna say anything good about it because they get paid by Chevrolet so if its not a gm they gonna talk shit about it
I'm 38 and I've had mine since the summer of 16, I still love it, my wife calls it my mid life crisis car. I do agree with the cheapness of the plastics though, when it's cold bits of it rattles. Also the paint is really soft, scratches really easy, other than that I love it and will drive it into the ground.
Do you still have it? Would love to get it as well but wondering how its like for us married guys out there
The FIST has been the premier entry level track car since its introduction. That tells you all you need to know and you can ignore 95% of what these two say.
"Uncomfortable" Recaros? What?!
0-60 sub 7 seconds, tons of midrange torque, super light and you guys only beat a couple of cars drag racing? Either something is wrong with your car or you guys can't drive. Granted the best part of the Fiesta is the handling but you guys fail to mention it beat a lot of those cars around the track.
Turn off trash control lol
Spend $500 on bracing, $500 on an accessport, and even with the off-the-shelf tunes this literally becomes a different car.
Full bolt on, on stock Turbo, and you will be hanging with vehicles you have no business hanging with.
The straight-line guys go Big Turbo and have good results. If you do your part the 1.6 is a good little engine.
If you just looking for a fun drive, I wouldn't go beyond full bolt on stock turbo.
I have had 2 Fiesta ST. One 2016 with Recaros, and paid $22,500. Traded in for 2019 without Recaros, and paid $20,500 for it. I put 42,000 miles on my 2016, and have 17k miles on my 2019. I am 58 years old, and have owned 57 cars. I travel for work, and rent cars a lot. I have driven or owned a WRX, Ford Focus ST, Ford Focus RS, a 5.0 mustang, a 911 Turbo, a regular 911, 2015 Chevy Corvette, Chevy SS, Camaro SS. The Fiesta ST is more fun to me than all of them. Why? Feels fast, Handles incredibly well for a short high seated hatch, and most importantly for me - police don't really notice the car. It's a very inexpensive street legal go kart.
Exactly my point of view. I'm 55 & had a bunch of sporty cars - but at the end of the day: got me a FiST about three years ago & when it comes to fun, there are very few & even more expensive sportscars, on the same high level of sheer driving pleasure. Because of what? Feels fast (although to be fair, it really isn't - comparing to real sportscars), handles nimble & has a direct steering feel (although electric, without a mechanic diff). Dampers & suspension are nearly perfect trimmed & balancend (for stock). And all the parts are in a harmonic balance for a rough ride. I live in germany & what's best about is not the autobahn drive (still the car catches up 95% of all the others there). No, it is the ride on small & curvy roads over hills. Cart feeling with torque enough to put the pedal down just before the apex...& ...smile!
How reliable was the 2016?
one thing I don't understand is not that long ago all cars had cheap hard plastic interiors and they lasted just fine,my neighbors 2003 buick with 300000 miles still has a good interior made of hard plastic and my old 95 hardbody pickup that I sold to a friend years ago still has a decent look to it who's really knows if all these soft touch interiors will last any longer and why are people so concerned with feeling there dash just drive the damn thing and take care of it and it should be just fine
I would say, probably not at least in any wear and tear areas. The couple of cars I've had with soft touch if it's anywhere that you touch I've noticed wear marks after a few months.
I had several cars from the 50s and 60s with stamped steel dash boards and side window trim, that was the norm back then. Now I have two cars with soft touch areas, like the dash Etc. and I never have a need to touch/feel them.Remember what Mr. Whipple said, don't squeeze the Charmin!
Well this is a fiesta, so it's gonna be cheaper. A camry's plastics, for example will last fine, but of course, it costs like 10,000 more dollars so of course it will
your Fiesta ST is equipped with a full size, dissimilar spare tire assembly. Although the spare is a traditional, full size tire (as opposed to a mini spare), it is different in both size and handling characteristics from the standard Fiesta ST performance tire.
Love all the little kids shitting on the car who have never even driven one.
I hate North American's obsession with huge cars. Who gives a shit about an "SUV ST." The whole point so many people love the Fiesta ST, and cars like it, is because they're light, nimble and fun. It's not about straight line horsepower.
I love my fist too! The only option I have are the Recaro seats.
Drove my 2016 Fiesta ST 42,000 miles, my 2019 ST 24,000 miles, I will keep it till I die or it does.
Any issues with the 19?
How reliable was the 2016?
I love the recaros and think they are very comfortable but I'm not very big.
i love my FiST! glad you enjoyed yours too. mine was $17K and blue with nav as the only option.
Hahaha, love-fist.... Oh the puns... 😆😁😆
?! Girls like it, in my experience! They think it's like a puppy. A delightful, slightly scary puppy.
I saw enough reviews and I knew I had to have one ! For the record tommy missed the 1-2 for a solid second ! But this review and a few others made me get one and I am so happy with it ! 30 plus mpg beating on it on regular fuel . And my God I really feel like a race boy every time I drive it !
I ordered this late 2013. So much fun to drive then and now, in 2024.
Thanks for your video!
That ten second test he didn't rev it out enough in first gear.. if you nail that first to second gear change the car actually goes pretty fast, I find it is very hard to nail it tho but when you do you definitely know as the torque just catapults the car when it hits second as long as your still in the boost.. they do suffer from heat soak on warm days tho as a stock car.
I got a 2019 se model with 40k for around 9k. Bummer it doesn't have the turbo but it's a decent car. First "new car" I've over owned. Will probably keep it for 13 years and give it to my kid when she is 16
Love my 2016, most fun car I've ever had
I am on my second one. First one was a 2014 and now have a 2016. I put 60k on the 2014 and have 50k on my 2016. I have a company car now so i dont drive it as much but when I do, it is still a blast to drive. Only thing I did to either one was on the 2016 I cut out the resonator and sounds better without being obnoxious.
You're so American. Fiesta is spacious. I fit two road bikes inside mine.
I can't fit my road bike in mine, but i can fit 4 adults and 1 child in mine
I've never been so let down by any of your videos...until now. The Fiesta ST, compared to what's currently on the market, is one of the greatest bargains around. Great power to weight. Physics-bending dynamics. Reliability. Value. Practicality. It honestly sounds like you're both being sarcastic and joking around. You guys are much smarter than this. C'mon!!!
I couldn't agree more! they're not even trying... they're acting like they got stuck with a rental.
Bought my 2018 Fiesta ST in May. First thing I did was get rid of the stock tires/wheels and went with Team Dynamics Pro race wheels for 630 bucks shipped from the UK to my doorstep! I went down to 15s and got myself some 55mm sidewalls and the ride quality is amazing! Then I went cobb Stage 3 :) love this lil rocket! Also sitting at 4,500 miles.
The 55 is an aspect ratio, not an actual measurement of sidewall.
Thanks for that clarification!
I had one in 14 and got rid of it because of the bouncy made me sick ride. I wish I could ride in one with different wheels/tires/shocks to see what that really does for it. I loved that car as long as I didn't have to drive more than 20 minutes. I still find myself looking at them even after owning my awesome 2017 Camaro SS 6 speed. It may be I just don't do well with light cars.
@@Stclairm1 Well Mag ride is amazing. I used to have a 2014 ZL1 and even my GT-R didn't beat how well GMs mag suspension smoothed out the rough stuff.
@@Dormantee Mine doesn't even have the magneride. Just a 1SS. Got pics of your FiST?
0-60 is probably the worst aspect of the Fiesta ST. On back roads and even the freeway it feels so much faster. I have never had a problem passing or going up-hill. The ride is harsh and the seats can be a bit uncomfortable on long drives. Its a great car and can be used as a daily but I would have at least 2 cars if you want a Fiesta ST. I have had 2 ST's 3 years between the two and 40k miles or more driven. COBB tune on both vehicles.
I literally only mastered a manual weeks ago and already I'm hitting 7 or sub 7 0-60 times. Either this car really doesn't like the extra 2 people in it, or this dude really sucks at driving.
I have a 2011 Fiesta hatchback ses manual transmission not the sport model and it really doesn't feel like you are riding on the road or in a little race car. I have been in other brands subcompact models and felt like I was riding on the road. The Fiesta is extremely Comfortable for me to drive and gets much better gas mileage. That being said my dad finds it a little small for shifting as his feet are big, but being a passenger in the front seat is comfortable. I basically only have dogs and small people ride in the back seat. It is amazing what you can fit in the Fiesta especially if you put the back seats down. I brought a desk home in it I got from a friend, I have brought bags of fuel home for the stove, mulch for the yard I even have brought trees home I just put them out the top of the sunroof. It's a workhorse of a small car.
Both my grandmas have been passengers and loved it BTW I forgot to mention that so it got the granny approval even for longer trips of over an hour
I'm sitting in my 2011 fiesta right now. My commute is about 45 minutes each way. Up to an hour, its okay. Not great, not bad, just okay. After an hour, I'm ready to get out if the car and I really don't want to get back in it.
I think alot of that is how uselessly shaped and uncomfortable the seats are. Being 6'5, the headrest pokes forwards in the middle of my back between my shoulders.
Honestly, it would be hard to make a less uncomfortable seat.
I can understand that difficulty if I was that tall, but I'm short. I'm sorry you have that problem. My dad has problems driving it because he is tall as well. It's extremely comfortable to me, but not him
Like his son said it's better if there's one person in it great on gas I get 35.5 miles a gallon it handles like a go kart
I am getting 27.7mpg average over 9700 miles so far, mixed driving, highway/stop and go/lots of idling. I guess I'm nit driving efficiently? Maybe I am. I was getting 30mpg in a Honda CR-Z hybrid with CVT with the same driving type.
Bought a completely stock 2017 a year ago. Still love it 😊
Btw I average 35 mpg on Sunoco 93 petrol. While driving like a fiend.
" I need a buddy and look at this I got my best buddy of all my son" ur selling smiles per gallons and on faces too
Do you guys want to review my autocross CRX Si? It'll redefine what's "sporty" and "harsh" lol
Just purchased a 2019 ST. First, my first car was a 1970 VW Beetle that was capable of a 14.3 second 0-60 time. Note, that was smoking fast for a Beetle back in 1971. So, my new ST is definitely faster than a Beetle.
Also was surprised that the Ford Dealer was unwilling to swap out the 205R40-17 tires and rims for the 16 inch set for the ST-Line Fiesta (a Fiesta SE in ST badging). Because I knew from the get go that those rickey racer wheels would produce a horrible ride and be incredibly vulnerable to Michigan roads. As a result within a week I had a set of 16x7 wheels and some good all season Firestone's on the Fiesta. That change made for a HUGE difference in the ride quality and IMO had zero detrimental effects on the handling. Another plus is that the taller profile provides for a decent level of resistance to potholes. BTW, if you want to see real world evidence of the stupidity of today's super low profile tire fad all you have to do is look at any of the 3 major Racing venues. NASCAR, Indycar, and Formula One all use tires with a 50 or higher profile tire. Because when you crack a rim at 200 + mph the result will be a spectacular wreck that kills drivers and spectators without discrimination. Some acts just shouldn't be done without prefacing the act with "hold my beer and watch this" and putting 40 or 30 profile tires on an automobile is one of those acts. Shame on Ford for putting 205R40-17 wheels and tires on a car that will see duty on regular roadways.
Finally I have to address that "real world" 0-60 run with an excess load of baggage of about 400 lbsl. It's a 197 HP engine and an extra 400 lbs. will have a significant impact on the 0-60 time. There is also the matter of the granny shifting being used. Finally I have to ask WHAT OCTANE FUEL were they using. Based on my Butt Sensor for G forces I would guess that using 89 octane gas reduces the engine output for 197 HP to something around 150-165 HP. On the plus side that reduced power does make it much easier to this old RWD geezer to get used to Torque Steer.
I only use super premium (91-97 octane depending on the time of year) with the NOS brand octane booster, the thing dynos 205hp and 210ftlbs torque. With an additional 350lbs of passengers in it with myself it most certainly goes from a 6.7s 0-60 to about 8.7s... but then again my normal passenger is scared of interstate speeds
I like these reviews a lot, it's nice that you found a style that can make you stand out while being traditional and informative.
Thanks for the kind words!
I took on a Ford gt 2012 and kept up with it he had to down shift twice to leave my ads but I kept up with it for 2 miles there good at stop lights they can beat most cars off the line but long haul there gonna get beat but for gas mileage go kart handling you can t beat it and to get it for 18 grand that's a steal if it regular ly 23 grand
That’s awesome! That’s the same exact spec as my fiesta! Even down to the color and everything!!!
Don't get the obsession with quarter mile racing in a car designed for b roads .
SUVs are expensive, not many people can afford them. I dont know why Ford abandon sedan segment in the US, is the sedan segment less profit?
Not many people can afford them?
Ford is dropping sedans BECAUSE SUVs are far outselling "cars".
I am not a fan of Ford's plan but it is their business to improve or destroy at their leisure. Time shall tell if it is a wise move.
Yes. Every mom wants an SUV.
Yeah there gonna regret it people will go get a shitty Chevy cruze for gas mileage they better re think and bring the Europe fiesta St. Version over cuz gas is 250 to 3 dollars a gallon who the he'll can afford a sub if they got to commute to work over 45 min. To and hour drive a day stupid Ford better do something quick or people or gonna be Che y fans and Ford's gonna come up short
Except they can't because you can't import new cars in the us. (Or any younger than 25 years)
yup
Let's do a 0-60 test with 3 people in the car and a driver who can't shift for shit 🙄
Another awesome review, real world living opinion review! And honest review, that's a good thing. Going to be very sorry to see the Fiesta go. This has been a very enjoyable segment in your line up. But you took the chance when you traded the Raptor in on it, and it has been a success. I'm sure the replacement will just as awesome or better. Are we going to get a farewell film for the Fiesta?
Does the elevation affect the performance of this engine all that much given that it is turbocharged? I was under the impression that only NA engines were badly affected by reduced oxygen at altitude
The dad is over 6 foot if your 5 7 or 510 you'll like it but if your over 6 foot it's gonna be uncomfortable
I am going to miss this car. You said it wasn’t fast in a straight line but at that small imi track it was very hard to beat. I hope you get new 2019 raptor with the updated suspension as replacement, and you tune it.
The dad needs a comfortable lazy boy ride a Buick lesabre
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I love you guys. Great review of a very fun car.
8-10yrs from now .... will it make it to become a good used first-car for a 16yo .... will it be a reliable beater or a nickel & diming eyesore
Depends on how the previous owner treated it. Mine will be like new.
This is my first TFL review and it's hard to watch, very disjointed and clunky, rough presentation and very dismissive of the car.
The Fiesta ST has it's issues but trashing a car's tire wear because you spent all your time at the track or saying the interior is plasticy when it costs under $20k is just taking cheap shots. No comment was made about the stellar handling or the amazing braking, frankly if you aren't driving a Fiesta ST for the handling you're missing the entire point of the car.
Also, Tommy needs to learn to shift.
Tommy is a very very poor driver.
yah it was disorganised and rushed
I like it, for a daily commuter in the city.
But,..I now have a 2017 Ford Escape, 2.0 Turbo with the trailer towing option, and am looking forward to 'trade in day' and the new Ranger.
I want one I got the Ford fiesta se sedan dual clutch automatic it hauls ass like 2600 lbs. I love mine I took on a 2012 Ford gr8 and kept up with it
So the Powershift thing is actually a dual clutch? You learn something new everyday.
Its also two three speed manual transmission built into the same case, but with computer control. It also has more then six gear ratios, but they are close enough together they are simply bypassed.
Wish it had a decent overdrive ratio. 80mph sucks down on gas.
"big rear disc breaks" ... ? say waht? they're like the smallest disc breaks i've ever seen.
Just think Fiesta just a nice cute little sporty vehicle. Very fun to drive
I like that little Fiesta. If I could only fit inside, I'd pick one up just to run around town with.
It competes with the Hyundai veloster turbo and mini cooper S
Its price doesn't compete, it just coexists and fails lol
Page Perrine except the Hyundai is crap. So slow and horrible handling by ST standards
@@01gtbdaily30 Agreed. I owned a Fiesta ST for 2 years. I loved it. I test drove the Veloster before I got the ST and it felt like a matchbox car. I didn't like it at all. The ST in my opinion beats out the Veloster in every category.
They’re both bigger and heavier than the Fiesta, so they’re not direct competitors.
But the Veloster Turbo N will beat this and the Focus ST I bet.
Mine has a 82 hp engine and I have no trouble keeping up pace on the autoroutes here in the South of France, 200 HP and yours is slow? lol
Well he can't shift worth shit he drives like grandma
To think you can now have a hybrid truck for the same MSRP as this Fiesta.🤯🤯
It's hard to find a bad review of this car.
Ford has announced to keep the fiesta in the us side by side with the mustang then the escape, explorer, expedition, and f series plus the ranger
2019 RAM REBEL in White with Air Suspension!
These guys discuss the Fiesta ST's interior noise level. They totally miss that fact that the FiST has a "Symposer", a plastic hose that connects to the intake manifold on one end and the dashboard on the other end. It literally pipes sound from the engine into the interior to make occupants think they're in a more powerful car. That's the "genius" you get when you hire MBAs into your design department. The first mod I did to my 2016 FiST was install a symposer delete kit.
Nope; we know about this
Dam... i payed too much . Im glad for all of you who got sweet deals ! My car at 40k mikes is great. But anytime i hop into another car i realize how uncomfortable it is, but i forget about it once im enjoying how it drives. But ya, without ideal roads at the wrong speeds will exhaust you. Now in mine the other annoyance is that it seems like every plastic and interior part crackles and creeks and makes my old 02 prizm sound and feel like a brand new high end luxury car... plus the heater wont blow hot till its been driven a 10 miles wich sucks when you live in cold country and work is 3 miles away... I know i could enjoy the wonderful qualities of this car more than i do, i baby the thing because I want it to last should i keep it around for a long time. But i do find myself thinking I'd rather have something more comfortable for my daily driver or finding ways to make the ride smother via different tires and rim selection..
5,000 isn’t a lot of miles that’s how many miles I drive in a month
You must be in sales managing a territory like me. I just got mine two months ago and have 9700+ miles on it, however I love driving it so much I drove on the weekends as well. I just can't stop driving it, it's just so good! Im making up for all the lost time and years driving Honda Fits and CR-Zs, I've wasted time and money on those dumb Hondas!!! Goodbye Honda. I finally got a manual with the FiST. It definitely has been taking me a while to get good at it, but hopefully no damage done, stalled some times and hard shifts, letting the clutch release too quickly many times, mostly 1st to 2nd has been taking me the whole time to get smoothly. There have certainly been plenty of frustrations along the way but I definitely love the connection and involvement and control in driving manual, like I said hope not doing any damage and doing everything the right way as I've been teaching myself since day one.
my 09 focus has the same exact colors for ambient lighting as my 2017 st lol.
All in one take -- nice!
5000 may be long term for an American mark but don’t know how useful it is for the rest of us.
Bought one of these in 2017 the 2-door model. This car really comes alive when adding a few bolt ons a tune and removing some of the dead weight in the car, like the rear seats and spare tyre. Its making 220HP at the wheels and only weighing in at 1080KG. Only issue I've got would be the clutch biting point is soft and the ride quality on certain roads.
I wish my 19 had the 2 door option, it would be 400lbs lighter
lovely Ford
Fiesta st is a brilliant car
You guys don't have the gear for your camera?
I agree with the ride quality being a bit rough. Replacing the wheels to a 16” wheel and getting better shocks and different springs will fix that issue.
The 19 has a mechanical limited slip differential with torque vectoring and active corner management... going to softer suspension will cause the car to behave erratically
@@80s_Boombox_Collector the stock 17"s on mine look almost perfect to size scale... but due to the weather where i live 17"s aren't always a good choice. My 08 fusion had 17"s and it didn't like the front range winter at all but it loved the mountain corridor winter *same brand/type of tires across 2 winters in Colorado*
It's a good little car for some, I test drove one but it was just too cramped.
Isnt it supposed to do 0-60 in 6.9 seconds or quicker?
Wow! That must be the only Fiesta with dual exhaust? And it still isn’t all that fast?
Looks like a minvan interior, with how the dash is so damn far away. Also please get ride of that center armrest, it bangs into your elbow.
Awesome videos
2019 It has no oh shit handles and has no hanger hooks. Be wary of the transmission sometimes it sticks. When you push the start button sometimes it doesn't start for 10 seconds or so. Only the driver's window has express up-and-down. The other 3 windows hold to open and close. Sunroof only has express open not close. Engine makes non rpm noise. Finger controls such as blinkers and wipers could be more ergonomic designed. 1/2 moon storage below A/C useless anything will fall out. Hard to see traffic out right rear window corner even with rear headrests collapsed. ST should be fully loaded. Mine came without heated seats. However, seats are durable cloth unlike cold leather needing heat. Having said all that I dig the car white on black. I have a full size spare.
My 19 doesn't have the "10s no start" problem or the sticking transmission... but then again mine is spec'd almost identical to the 17 in this video. I don't have the black rims or painted brakes but i do have the factory 4 way recaro bucket seats *not the fancy race car version that's in fixed position* rear window visibility is fine as long as i drop my seat to the floor but the fact that i can only see out the bottom of the window means i have to be getting tailgated to have a car behind me blinding me
They already import the Focus RS from Germany. Why not import the new gen ST?
Not a big seller. They make more money from their other vehicles.
This almost looks like this road I take when I'm in Boulder.
Your 0-60 time seems... Off. I average 7 seconds typically in it.
My brother fit 4 winter tires for his 01 duramax in his fiesta st
Does this compete with a Sentra SR or Nismo?
Thanks....
You need to get a Focus RS.
Dustin Juell that’s what I thought
I hear, unfortunately that those wonderful and 'zippy' cars were plagued with crappy cylinder head gasket life. I saw one at a local dealership, and it sat there for most of the year.
I'd buy one in a heartbeat, if only that engine had a better reputation.
Have you seen how outrageously priced they are? They START at 58k here in Canada. Anyone spending 60k on a 350hp hatchback is out of their mind.
I have never seen a 5 door fiesta ST in my life !
And now you have, it looks just like a focus hatch or escape but smaller
That's all we have in the US.
4000 miles is not long enough I’ve own my escape for a month and I’ve done 5200 miles.
I'm 51. I bought it.
you must really be driving it hard. I just replaced the original tires on my 2012 Fiat 500 at 50,000 miles. And could have gone longer.
But your fiat 500 only packs 68 hp and 110 ftlbs torque on a body that weighs 1800lbs. The fiesta packs right at 200hp 210 ftlbs torque on a body that weighs 2200-2700lbs depending on configuration while leaving "sporty" cars like the vw golf gti standing on the circuit
You really shouldn't test the 0-60 with two people in the car, my fiesta St feels way slower with other people in the car
Real-world reviews can be painful
Yup, any 4 bangers with more passengers will feel slow. I drive my TC on onramps alone and can feel vvti at high RPM's, however, with passengers, that feeling isn't present.
I sat in one a while ago, almost too tight to fit two legs, and shift must be a bitch.