FAT VS. PROTEIN: The Great Ratio Debate. Advice from three 10+ year Carnivores on MACROS.
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I think y'all just saved my carnivore journey. I started in March without any information other than "beef, butter, bacon, and eggs" and did great until July when, for a variety of reasons, I really fell off the wagon. I've been trying to climb back on and it's been so hard, and I started going down the macro rabbit hole trying to figure out what I was "supposed" to be eating. Major frustration ensued because, as y'all surmised in this video, there IS no official "everyone needs to do THIS." That search led me today to this video. Hearing the advice to just listen to your body, aim roughly for that 80/20 ratio as a starting point, and just flex as necessary is so liberating. I really appreciated the reminder that we don't always know what healing is going on, and my diet was a DISASTER before this so Lord knows I have a lot of healing to do! I also appreciated hearing how that phase of unending hunger could also be a sign of the body healing, because that's been an ongoing issue for me and I thought it meant I was doing something wrong, because I kept seeing advice to "eat until comfortably full" and thought I was broken somehow because I am NEVER full! Anyway, thank you again so much for your honesty and willingness to acknowledge that carnivore is a very personal, individualized journey and that listening to our own body is the best guide!
Thank you for sharing your story. Very similar to my own journey especially the never ending hunger part. Glad l am not the only one.
Amber, major respect for being up front about the issues you face on Carnivore. It’s hard to admit that things aren’t going perfectly when you’re not following mainstream advice.
Agreed! I love her honesty!
myzerocarblife it’s very helpful!
As an Ex Owner of a 35 year old excema:
If your skin is good, if youre happy, singin and whistling while walking, if you can ignore even the biggest idiot, youre doing things right and no scale can change my mind, although i lost 60 pounds in the past!
Sorry for my english, im german.
Greetings from munich, Bavaria
Had to laugh :) “can ignore the biggest idiot”....so true in the modern working life haha
Yah!
Da haben Sie recht!!!
Congratulations!!! 🏆🏆🏆. By the way… your English is perfect! No apologies need. 😊
Kelly, you are just the sweetest person. You are kind, generous with your compliments, genuinely appreciative with a warm personality. It’s always so much fun and also educational to listen to you and your valuable guests. I lived in TN for 15 years, I live in OR now. I wish I could know you, maybe one day 😊
I definitely prefer high fat carnivore. I was always hungry and gaining lots of weight on high protein. Since dropping my protein to low-mod levels and eating a lot more fat, I’m feeling better, my energy is coming back, and I’m not hungry all the time.
Is it still that way?
I am 42, and consume 180 grams of protein a day. I lost 9 pounds the first 2 weeks. I am 120lbs. I also body build. If I did not lift heavy, I would reduce it to 1 gram per pound of ideal bodyweight.
Which fats do you mostly consume?
OMG - I cannot tell you how much this has helped me!! I'm 6 weeks into Carnivore after like 8 weeks on Keto and I've been really struggling. My mood has dropped, my weight loss has been plateaued for like 3-4 weeks and I just today added more fat, in heavy whipping cream. I found my stomach can't tolerate that but I LOVE the energy boost! FINALLY my mood is so much better. So my local grocery store already said they would hold back like 2-3 pounds of beef fat for me when they're doing their cuttings and they'll give it to me for FREE!! I've already been watching how to get that stuff rendered down. IT'S SOOO nice to hear you ladies talking about your different experience and trying what works for you. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
This video was so needed! I am considered morbidly obese and I wasn't ever sure if I was eating enough fat Or too much while carnivore. I think now I will try to eat more fat in my meals!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
This is probably the most useful info for me. I like the suggestion to eat fat first at meals. I have experienced the increased protein cravings when eating a higher protein percentage. I wonder if we create too many carbs when overeating protein and those carbs are making us crave more protein. Higher fat helps me with sleep and regularity.Fat increases my thirst, which is good. I agree that just adding butter is not the best way. I think it’s better to add cooked trimmings or raw suet, if you can find that. And lots of water.❤️Thanks again for this info. I would encourage people to experiment with more fat but also listen to their bodies, as you said. There is some daily variation in what we need.
I love this woman (Amber) so so much! Thank you Kelly for inviting her!
Awesome job and something I needed to here. I've only been 70 day carnivore and feel I've stalled. I need to figure this out and don't feel so bad. I just get so impatient to get this 60 lbs off! I'm going to relax and go enjoy some fat! Or maybe a eat "cookie" or both!!!!! Love you all so much. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting to help us figure it out!♥️
I’ve just spent the last couple days watching all of your videos. Thank you for starting your channel. I’ve been keto for almost 3 years now but I still yo-yo a lot with weight and have some health issues I wish to resolve. I’ve just finished up my second day zero carb and my joint pain is already starting to go away! Thank you for all the great guests you interview and for using your bubbly personality to help, educated and entertain us.💛
Kelly's enthusiasm is just gorgeous.
A big problem is that many people start carnivore for whatever reasons, are *desperate* for results. They want to know what works best, which is absolutely understandable. But, as you've noticed in your life is that there is no exact ratio that necessarily works best. Unfortunately for most people, it really does take time to figure out what works best for them at that point in time, and that could change at another point in time. It seems like there is a surge in popularity for carnivore, and you're going to get new people asking questions. Thank you for the video and info-drops!
The content you put forth is so applicable to everyday life as a carnivore! I can't thank you enough for you humility, your selection of topics and the people you interview. These women are so intellectual!
Absolutely brilliant interview.
Amber was my first introduction to the carnivore diet back in 2014.
My journey has been scenic but she still remains my heroine!
@Kelly Hogan: You're eye candy and your southern accent is totally infectious 😍. But I subbed immediately because you touch the topic in such a unique way! I treat all my patients like my colleague Saladino. Nice to see your angle too!
Cheers!
Dr. Surya Narayanan
MD, DDS
Excellent, excellent, excellent....you are our very favorite UA-cam channel...we learn so much from you and are highly motivated by your enthusiastic outlook.....we are four months now into our carnivore journey and have both hit stalling points and have been trying to figure out what is going on...should we increase protein or should we alter our fat either up or down......it definitely is so good to hear this! Thank you Kelly and Amber and Dana!
I met Amber in Houston last fall. Very pleasant and humble considering her accomplishments.
Just LOVE Amber! Can't get enough of her interviews!!
I adore Amber and I am so bummed that the CarnivoryCon got disrupted this year.
This was a Great video!!! So many of you all have been basically saying the same thing separately but not as spelled out. This was really awesome to listen to. Thanks so much!
That's a deep question right there. Love Kelly's personality.
I believe in meeting protein and nutritive requirements first, then moderate fat for energy /weight/appearance maintenance.
Love that thought
I’m one of those people that blood sugar elevates with too much protein. The only way blood sugar stays regulated is eating higher fat and moderate protein.
Love this video . Everyone is different. Everyone has a different demand . There are days I am super hungry and days that I don’t need to eat 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks Ladies, Brilliant advice, and exactly what I needed today. Love when that serendipity happens. Not feeling the fat today, but feeling it most days, today I was questioning my choices around fat. I am now giving myself permission to listen to my body and cut it back for a meal or two, and that's o.k. I think moving forward, I need to get some pork rinds and fat trimmings on hand to bump up my daily, when I'm not feeling to add too much of it to a meal like today. With so many zealots in this community, it's soooooo refreshing to hear the voice of reason. We do all have different genders, ages, hormones and health issues/ requirements and a one size fit ALL approach is just ludicrous. I really appreciate you Kelly and your approach in general. Thankyou so much 😊🫶
I started to eat only meat and eggs 1.5 years ago. It was winter, cold and I was eating beacon only almost. I gained lots of fat in two months which I still didn't lose all. Fat is very appetizer to me, it's like candy. I don't eat so much at one meal but it's like I feel hungry very fast after eating few slices of beacon. On the opposite, the leaner the meat I eat, the less appetite I have. For example I bought chicken breast for two weeks and I had to shovel it in my stomach. I did felt more happy the more fat I ate, I felt more balanced and strong when eating fat and protein like fat chicken with skin or beef or pork muscle. When eating only chicken breast I felt depressed and I had to add eggs which totally helped. The strongest and balanced I felt by eating beef, one step down and losing fat for me is eating lean chicken and boiled eggs
Wow! I guess it’s a different combination for everyone. Glad you found what works for you. I’m still trying to find what works for me. I was eating more protein not too much fat and barely losing 1 lb here and there. I’d gain one day lose another day. Ughh! Now, I’m going to tweak it to eat more fats and less protein let’s see if that works. Can’t wait to find my own combination.
I understand this struggle myself, especially with being sensitive to different types of protein. I wonder if you used chicken as your source of protein, and then used ghee or tallow for fat - that way you lose the depressed feelings but you also lose some weight. Maybe worth a try for a couple weeks? Its definitely a balancing act. Also maybe eating liver could help the mental health issues.
@@tayalcu6750 Yes, when I fried chicken I used pork fat. But than it doesn't make sense why even eat chicken with fat and not good old balanced beef because it's better protein in beef
Kelly, I think it would be GREAT if you had Ted Naimen on your UA-cam channel. How he explains it, makes perfect sense to me that higher protein is better for ideal body composition. It would be amazing!
It is complicated, hearing that makes it easier to try different ways. When I started I fell into worrying about macros ugh…
I did lose weight but muscle was also falling away, I’m 83 (healthy) feel 60 or less because I Finally started to listen to my body.
Back to decent exercise, muscle tone starting to come back, 5 ft 10 180 lbs weight and yes cholesterol went high which made my doctor crazy.
Off statins by myself which helped pains in shoulder diminish also finger pain.
BP is always normal…
Amber is beyond perfection 🥩🥩
Agreed!!! She's such a calm, intelligent, and kind voice in this world. I love her!
Three of my favourite "girls".... I love hearing all you three have to say... My attempts at Zero Carb has been going on now since October of 2018... so I guess that would be 18 months now... some of the time I was more "Carnivish" than Carnivore... but really I have made a very earnest try... I would say at minimum 95% Carnivore... I am overweight and never lost a pound yet... I do have diarrhea most of the time though on meat, meat and more meat... I switch from ribeyes to mostly ground beef, some chicken, only a bit of seafoods and a bit of pork... I don't seem to do well on dairy, eggs, or bacon... I have insulin-resistance and I am old at 74... so I keep experimenting and eventually I will find the way to lose the excess weight... I might have to do a serious fast for a jump-start and then strict zero-carb after that... Thanks for everything...
there is an old rhyme--like 600 years old that goes----Jack frat ate the lean and his wife ate the fat between them both they cleaned the platter.
I remember it thus: Jack sprat could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean. And betwixt the two they licked the platter clean . ( is betwixt a word?)
@@leonardoandbeverlygarzon5685 yes it is a word.
Jack Spratt could eat no fat
His wife could eat no lean
And so between them both, you see
They licked the platter clean 😅
I've eaten too much fat, I assume when diarrhea hit. So I've scaled it back a bit.
This video really reflects the Inuit study that long ago told us the truth about sugar. Living on seal/whale blubber these folks thrived until western culture introduced the sweet tooth.
I love the carnivore community which allows us to experiment with the macros that drive our individual health. I understand there is out there the OCD version that is stricter but thankfully I’m not exposed.
Kelly I am so grateful for your passion to bring all these carnivores to our attention who have struggled with so many health issues which were simply cured by diet change-tossing out tons of prescription drugs. Between you and Dr Ken Berry I have lost my sugar cravings (eat more fat!), my underwear began to fall off (I am not a slave to the scale, I don’t know my current weight) but thankfully I had previous weight undies to rescue me;
I can eat tons of my favorite luncheon meat, liverwurst (restricted for years by low fat dieting); my skin tags are dissolved, my joints no longer ache, my mood is elevated (politely eating a small piece of my son’s birthday cake made me depressed that night, definitely NOT worth it) and I am waiting for my annual blood work which will incorporate the correct tests for the first time ever in 66 years! Fasting glucose & insulin, C-peptide, and A1C plus I will have a CAC done.
Now to persuade my vegan grandchildren to take a look at these videos, all of whom are on psychotropic drugs because they want to save the baby whale and literally kill themselves.
So sad the propaganda in the media and the alarming lack of knowledge in medical and even mainstream nutrition community. If a study says NIH, CDC, ADA, etc approved I IGNORE IT.
God Bless both of you with His protection and provision as you demystify the Proper Human Diet.
I thought it was just me. Sometimes the more I seek out knowledge the more doubts I have about what the right ratio is for me. But I just keep trying! Thanks ladies!!!
I first heard of the Carnivore Diet when Justin Peterson mentioned that his daughter Mikhaila Peterson ate only meat. I then found her and listened to her, I thought it was interesting and extreme but didn't really give it much more thought. Then my sister (who was Keto) started it and got excited and when I seen her results I got on board. I immediately lost 40 lbs and and my energy levels are better than it was 10 years ago.
I'm over 60. Carnivore for 2.5 years, keto a year before that. I've discovered i need very high fat and low protein. I can't eat more than 60 to 70 grams protein per day so thats about 3 to 4 ounces meat twice a day. I really don't like the low protein high fat but too much protein kicks me into gluconeogenisis and gives me higher blood sugar.
hey why do you think that is. it seems to be the same with me , naturally we should be eating until full like every other animal?
@@lokomotive28 I'm currently eating high protein low fat now. I had my hba1c tested and it's a pretty healthy 4.9
Also, I found out that the insulin spike caused by the protein is tempered by a corresponding spike in glucagon which makes it not harmful. Staying with the high protein low fat for a while because older adults need more protein to avoid sarcopenia
@@lynnecobb9399 so your feeling good with high protein now? are you eating organs
No organs. I'm on the fence about too much vitamin A
@@lynnecobb9399 same here everyone says something different about organs. Liver is bitter to me and isn’t bitter a signal that something isn’t healthy for us OR taste not developed for it due to not growing up eating it. I don’t know…
38:00 After 10 years, Dana changed from ribeyes and started losing weight. 40:00 They recommend that people should start carnivore with 80/20 calories from fat/protein. Fat has 2.25 times as many calories as protein.
As a senior I can attest that with age you likely will have to cut down the fat. We just have slower metabolisms; plus we need the extra protein.
Dean Riley: Yep! I experienced the same thing. High fat is great but it made me gain weight and I could always eat more. My body wants more protein now, and I find it more satiating too.
@@AnimaLibera I am in my mid 40s, a women and have been doing Carnivore for 17 mnths. I was mostly really high fat like 200 grams of fat per day and moderate protein. Trying to get my hormones better with all the fat. I just found that instead of making hormones I just put more fat on, never tapping into my own energy stores. So I have just this week, with the help of this podcast decided to not worry about being"Keto Carnivore", and so far I know that I am eating less calories but am more satiated. Its weird but I hope it can help balance things out for me better. Even on really high fat I was always hungry!
Dean Riley .. I agree. I love fat, fatty meats and fatty organs like tongue and kidney, marrow... but even small amounts of fat give me the runs! What to do? Great show! Thank you 🙏❤️
I’m 64. I do much better when choosing high fat-blood glucose consistent, sustained energy, no arthritis pain, no gut issues-and those are the things I care about. Weight is not that important.
@@vickibedford55 After reading all the info. on protein vs fat, eating will need to depend on us finding the right combination that works. I was eating more protein than fat and I haven’t been losing weight. ( I do need to lose weight.) Now, I’m going to try the reverse and see how that works. I think I found my own combination. I’ll see results within the next month. I’m new to carnivore, but I love it!
One thing that I see the carnivore and fasting community starting to realize is that women's nutritional needs differ on monthly and weekly basis based on our cycles.. and what age we are hormonally.. One thing Kelly said in this was some days she craves tons of fat and other days she doesn't.. I wouldn't be surprised if those days directly correlate to where she is in her cycle. Now that I have a little more knowledge of how important hormones are for us .I have found eating and fasting to be a little more easier..but I'm still learning. It's going to be really interesting to see what we understand in 5 years
I’m post menopausal and I have been eating almost the same thing for a month lol
My hormones are MESSED up for decadessss but not having the crazy ride every month helps - this go thru
Good subject! I am 50 pounds overweight and when I eat too much fat I stall my weight loss and have watery loose stools with stomach issues. When I switched from ribeye to NY Strip and pulled pork I felt much better and no more stomach issues. If fat is needed I will eat salmon a couple of days per week or add butter to my ny strip. I will just listen to my body. If I feel fatigued and sleepy I will add fat.
I had to turn the volume down when Kelly spoke and up when Amber and Dana spoke. I have noticed this with Amber's voice in other videos. With such vital information and wonderful personality could you please adjust this one technicality?
It's almost like your mouth is too close to the mic and comes across very harsh.
With fond regards and much respect.
I think the big problem with minced beef, besides the misconception about it's percentage FROM calories, is that when you make burger patties you cook all the fat away.
I've started making a bowl with cooked minced beef instead, with 50g. of butter added and maybe some oregano and cheese.
When cooked for patties, I think the ratio becomes way too close to 50/50 fat & protein. For me, when going from 500-800 carbs daily, I needed A LOT of fat, to make up for the missing energy from carbs - especially transitioning.
Unfortunately I did carnivore for a year, frying all the fat way.
The other thing is, which is a game changer for me, is adding smoked Mackeral. Even higher fat than salmon, and works GREAT as a launch or late night snack. It's also cheaper, and always wild caught. It's so fatty filled with fat-soluable vitamins. It's like rocket fuel for me.
Amber is great! LOVE the podcasts with her!
Antibiotics can affect weight gain. Animals are given antibiotics specifically to fatten them quickly. That could have been Dana's source of weight gain after her bacterial infection.
Love love love this! So helpful!
Great discussion folks!
I'm in the UK. I googled "buy beef fat UK". One of the results was a farm shop that sells 250g bags of beef fat for about £1.50 per bag. So I bought a few kilos, and it came in a big box with some cool bags.
Now I just slice up some beef fat chunks and put them in the frying pan with my ribeye steaks. Some of the fat renders out, but that's just my 'gravy'.
I did the same. When I was at uni my butchers gave me free kidney fat which is the best fat. Fry it up and is super good. Bone marrow is also an elite source of fat and collagen for my skin
This is so very helpful!!! Thank you so much 💕
"Amber O'Hearn is a brainiac" - is it a little understatement? :)
samoMasnoMeso - You’re right. I wasn’t sure how to appropriately sell her. But yes. She’s brilliant. And it was my total honor to have her on the show. ❤️❤️❤️
@@myzerocarblife Thank you for your videos, thank you for your channel. It is unbelievable useful.
What a great user name, only fatty meat...😄 Lijepo je sresti nekoga s naših prostora
@@irmawranna :) Takođe
Thank you so much for this amazing video. 3 wonderful, brilliant women. 🥰
Quit sugar/carbs. Eat lots of fat to get your body fat adapted and insulin sensitive. When adapted, cut down on fat and eat more lean. Let your body fat feed you. Use intermittent fasting and occasional longer term fasting and continue to loose weight until you get to your ideal weight. Feel wonderful and cut out vegetables that makes you feel lousy. Cut out any Keto foods you overeat on. Usually nuts, cream or cheese. My journey to a healthy life.
FYI - just listened to a talk from Dr. Paul Mason (Low Carb Down Under) about the role of inflammation and low iron in stalling weight loss in women on Keto diet. Sounds like it may be one of the factors.
I'm trying to go 100% carnivore but I do also experience times when I need butter or lard on all my meat or add lard in my bone broth and recently butter in my coffee. I just had to add more fat. On other days I just need meat and can't stand butter..... I wonder if this is for women mostly due to hormones?
Wow! Which butter are you eating? (See the ingredients make sure it say milk and salt only.) I love that salty butter. Lol!
I gained 20 pounds eating carnivore. Been carnivore 7 months already. It’s so frustrating. 😥 I feel amazing though.
Are you exercising? If not then how dare you.
cool28990 yes I walk and sprint every night for at least 30 min. and I do taekwondo 2 times a week. I was doing high protein lower fat because it makes sense on the surface that this is how to loose body fat. I gained belly fat which I generally don’t gain. Also high fat gave me the runs. I bought some pills to help with digestion and have upped my fat and lowered my protein to no more than 8 ounces and I have lost 7 lbs in a week. Keto 101, which I completely forgot, teaches that red meat is highly insulin spiking and fat is virtually not. That is the reason, I believe anyway, that we need high fat to loose weight.
Kelly, this video is great just what I needed to here,more fat less fat ,iam more little fat tyred mostly eczema, not loosing much fat,saying eat fat to loose fat if my body needs to eat fat so I think I need to include more fat,see how it goes, this video made me more interesting in carnivore, just not worrying about should I or not ,just do it, thankyou kelly,and your guests 😀 anyway love your happyness😇
Two types of fuel carbohydrates and fats. No protein. I think that if you starve your body energy from either , then you over consume food cause body is craving energy from food source. If your body is fat adapted then you must give more fat less protein you won’t get overweight. And if your body is using glucose (carbohydrates) for energy then eat more protein less fat and you won’t get overweight
Springteen - Sounds like you have it all figured out without even watching the entire video. 😉 It may work exactly that way for you, but it doesn’t for everyone. Lots of very fat-adapted carnivores lose weight when they reduce their fat to protein ratios. Dana had eaten only meat for 6 years when she started gaining weight and had to reduce her fat intake in order to lose weight. It happens plenty.
However, just like amber, some people need high ratios of protein to fat in order to drop weight. She lost weight when she cut back on fat.
It’s just not as simple as a blanket statement or equation. Different people need different things.
Ok~ one MORE thing to simplify folks, per these fine humans speaking in this post~ because it's NOT a "one-size-fits-all" as far as weight loss/keto/carni & how you go about it, how about we try this fantastic idea; "What are you gonna start with"? And then she says, "You know, you might just start with- which one SOUNDS better to you"? Because it's true, it IS arbitrary- which is ok!
Wow~ I think so many of could benefit from hearing & grasping this, I know I sure did~ & could have way sooner into this, had I not been so heck bent on getting it just right, or following what somebody else had success with! Good grief, I spent an entire year with ZERO weight loss- in fact, I gained 10#, & kept stressing that I just was not 'doing it right'~ or good enough, etc.
*Amber & Kelly ~Thank you both so very, very much💞🙏 Your time & efforts in this world are truly appreciated~Samantha
Thank you for this talk about - more fat? more protein. ? had been weighing on my mind.. Thank you for sharing the point that we need to give the diet one year 80%. Been on it for 6 weeks. I still feel like I am not running on all cylinders. Now I know the answer, eat the 80% fat. I do use myfitpal to figure out fullness in lieu of calories, protein and fat. Well, going to be more mindful of the fat 80, protein 20%.
Yes I went on same journey nearly 70 kgs in 16 months
Amber might want to look into SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth) as a mechanism for her weight gain after Salmonella
Out of curiosity I used a calculator and only ate 70% fat yesterday, but I’m sure it’s higher on many days (63 yrs old, not actively looking to lose weight)
Dana is really sharp. Starts at minute 34. When Dana, after 6 years at 80% fat, started gaining weight she cut back to 65% fat and lost weight fast. Yes, she cut fat - but that means she also cut calories. I'd guess she'd been a bit over her daily calorie budget. You likely want to eat enough fat up to your calorie budget but not over to stay slim and in ketosis. Dana's "It's just fuel now," is 100% exactly it. We aren't kids anymore who want ice cream every day.
What are some ways to add more fat in your diet?
Kelly adds extra bacon grease to her burgers sometimes. You could also add butter to scrambled eggs, on top of a steak, to ground beef, etc. I like added butter grease and bacon fat instead of melted beef grease or visable fat, but if you like that, just eat more/eat it first. I also don't drain bacon/sausage as much now. I used to actually rinse my ground beef after cooking, thinking that was healthier 🙄
@@nightlady2001 Thanks! I think I definitely need more fat in my diet.
Love you girls xoxo
Only anecdotal, butter is the best source of energy
And it burns clean
Thank you for this video!!
I had no trouble losing 75 lbs. on Keto, and felt terrific at 67 yrs. old. I prayed to Jesus to take away my decades long cigarette habit, and He did!!!! 😍🙏💕 That was two yrs. ago . I developed a sweet tooth, which I never had and gained 40 lbs. I still can't get this under control! 😭😭😭😞😞 I do OMAD and crunch on ice with liquid Stevia and lemon extract at night. That's where the problem is and I can't stop. I am not anemic and don't have Pica. I have a very dry mouth living in dry Las Vegas and I can't chew on sugar free mints all the time either. I got some peppermint extract, and put that in a small spray bottle, diluted with water and a tiny bit of stevia. Not even that works. I tried sipping on water, but I was floating from all the water and up all night peeing. I tried eating some tiny cooked bacon chips which was ok, but this sweet tooth thing has me really floored. My health is suffering and I can barely walk now, my joints hurt so much! I have no energy, always sleepy and depressed. Doctors are no help at all and I don't trust them. Do you think my body is getting all the toxins out? I would think after two years, drinking only water and eat plenty of good food, no carb-low carb, I would be able to stabilize and lose weight again. Hmmm....
I'm KetoVore now, mostly meat, eggs, butter, green beans every now and then. I can't get a handle on the fat to protein ratio. Some days I'll lose weight, get a "Whoosh", but then stall again. If I eat extra fat, I gain and get heartburn. Sheesh! 🙏🙏🙏
Does anybody have any other ideas for me? Please pray for this challenging situation.🙏🙏🙏📖📖📖😞
I like to keep protein around 35% and eat no more than 150-200 grams carbs
Thank you for this video. So helpful
Will listen again.
I actually was craving salted butter the other day. Just a tbsp of butter. I thought” how weird is that?” Now I’m thinking that was my body telling me something. So, Do I just eat the butter?
Video in a nutshell:
Experiment and see what works best for you (what makes you feel the best).
Note that higher fat is usually needed if you’re sick/unhealthy. Fat is healing. But if you’re already healthy, you can eat less fat. Just don’t go below 60% of your calories from fat. If you eat too little fat over a long period, you’ll get sick.
Great overview 👍
Very true..I failed in my first attempts of carnivore because I was just eating meat mainly protein.i failed big time feeling miserable.until I went 90% fat and 10% protein.
I thrived from day one and never felt the negative/transition symptoms that people talk about. For me carnivore is mainly about fat in the first stages.fixing Hormonal imbalances first.
Another good thing about fat is that it kills the cravings for junk foods/carbs
@@karelchuma5781 22:36 well how do you up your fat as opposed to protein… People keep saying they up their fat… But they’re not saying what they’re eating are you eating butter… Are you eating just a fat shavings… Like she mentioned in the video… Or are you eating super super fatty meats please assist it seems like people are talking in circles about the fact… Can they be clear and specific… As to what type of fact is it just the fact within the meat that you’re buying and eating… I’m new carnivore four days
@@sistersabrina4786 Speaking for myself I would put butter, MCT oil and whipped cream in my coffee!
I’m 3.5 years low carb 20 a day was my target, now I’ve been carnivore 100% for just over a week but the transition was supper easy. The only thing negative was yesterday I had a energy sag. I’m so happy when I was 71 I made my health my hobby. Love being a unicycle,bike ,walking sprinting 75 year old. These videos rock.
Great English use, too! Thanks for sharing.
I want to unicycle. I know it’s off-topic, but I think they’re pretty cool.
How old were you when you learn how to ride a unicycle?
You may have had energy sag if you go over a certain amount of protein per meal it is converted to glucose, and this will prevent you from accessing fatty acids for fuel until that glucose is dealt with. Keep in mind that when you go zero carb you may not be producing enough insulin to deal with the extra glucose. This is not ideal.
@@sylviaking8866 Seems we need 80% fat to 20% carbs which she talks about in more recent videos
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The recommendations to stay in ketosis is to eat 20 to 35% calories from protein, 5 - 10% calories from carb and 60 to 80% calories from fat.
I love Amber. She's so calming. Great interviews!
calm? lol .... probably your drugs
I like fish and beef plus all the organ meats and I don't need to add more fat, but I was never obese: I came to the carnivore diet because of autoimmune issues after 20 years of veganism. The carnivore diet literally saved my life.👍🙏
Karine Savard - Awesome comment! I’m so happy for you!!! If you ever want to give a carnivore update on camera for an episode here, email me at contact@myzerocarblife.com It sounds like you have an incredible story, and I’d love to hear more! ❤️
Early in carnivore eating. I find it hard to believe I will heal with just diet. I react with histamines, I have itch without rash, possibly autoimmune. Eating just beef and water my itching it really bad. Give me hope.
@@myzerocarblife yes, I will put my story out there once I feel completely cured. I will send you an email👍 Indeed, my story is amazing because I escaped death 3 times over. Imagine, all because of the wrong food and the doctors saying that diet had nothing to do with it....I was desperate and very very ill....
@@christinehorne5165 Sorry you're experiencing that. It can be confusing sorting out symptoms. I am not well educated in diet issues but I have had similar experiences.
I should have consulted a diet expert. Funny how I'll spend thousands on a car or truck but I
cringe at spending money on my personal wellness. Good luck. Could it be oxalate dumping?
@@christinehorne5165 beef is aged for weeks, thus will be high histamine. If u can get freshly butchered (non aged) beef, that may work better for you (but it may be super hard to find and get). Lower histamine meats may work better for you. Quercetin is a supplement that can help lower histamine.
You two create the perfect balance between calm (amber) and excitement (kelly). Great duo.😊
My hack is to make fatty meat in a slow cooker in broth. The cooked off fat is taken up by the broth and makes a very fatty soup that I eat with the meat. I feel like I have significantly increased my fat intake.
I believe boiled meat used to be far more common in past generations.
Just ask the Irish.
Smart
I was just thinking today, that's where gravy came from..as a way to add the fat from roasted meat back into your meal..❤
I've just done this and the broth istoo fatty for me ,l felt sick so lm scraping of the set fat and drinking the liquid . Trusting this l boiled in slow cooker short ribs , with those lovely bones xx
I’m just starting but i love bone broth. I get heaps of fat on the top so I store the fat and the broth separately and add in 30-50g of fat to my broth which usually I’m drinking with a meal. It’s yummy with fat in it and I use it to build up my fat intake if it’s a bit low. I think I’m starved of fat. 😂 I’m measuring at the moment so that I can get a handle on what I’m doing.
I've had Rheumatoid arthritis for 30 years, once I cut out butter and replaced it with fat trimmings I felt a significant decrease in inflammation & pain! Turns out dairy is a much bigger trigger for me than I ever realized! Try cutting out dairy and see how you feel!
Have you ever tried ghee? It’s butter without the lactose and milk proteins. Literally just the purified fat.
I suspect the same for me... It's been off an on
Unfortunately it's hard to get fat trimmings from the grocery store. I guess grass fed is the best.
Yes I was a big fan of butter but recently my taste buds changed and I can now taste what I think is Mold toxicity in food and surprisingly butter has a small amount of the taste, even the expensive brands. So I stopped. All processed meat also tastes bad to me now even deli counter ham etc.
Steak, chops etc. pork fat, bacon eggs all ok. Cream luckily is ok as I put it in my tea
That’s great Eva. Same for me too.
i just keep cold butter off to the side and add it to each bite of meat lol
Lol My Too. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one.
angela piccolella …I also eat cold butter with my meat. 😋
Same!! Before going full carnivore I never knew how good butter tasted with beef!! 😋😋
Butter your meat people, it’s a real game changer!! 😂😂
Butter and beef.... Be still my heart... Or stomach! 😆
I make Ghee at home and do the same with that. Just seems to go better for me with the milk solids removed. Maybe it’s my diabetes issues. 2 months carnivore and feeling great 👍🏻
I found in my past keto life that when I would "plateau" it was my bodies way of tightening things up! After I would lose up to 10 lbs., my body would stop and tighten up the loose skin. Then it would kick back into burning and losing! So I have never minded the "plateaus"!
Kelly you’re a rare breed. Love your simplified approach to life. Breath of fresh air! Amber you have taught me a lot. Much appreciated
Sometimes my dog won’t eat meat. So I give her a 1/2 tsp of butter. Once she’s had that, then only will she go on to eat the meat. There’s something to this...
Your dog requires bone marrow too, which is also a good source of fat.
@@davidday8692 I have been thinking about this as well- I love bone marrow
80% muscle meat 10% boney meat 10% organ meat that's what's recommended to me from animal naturopath for my dogs :)
I need to try that!
I give my dog beef soup bones..He now is at the point when he let's me know when he needs them. That's intuitive eating! Wish I had that! Lol!!
Great show! You always hit the mark.
The fat-to-protein ratio is a thorny problem. I taught Arctic survival some years ago, and “mal de Caribou” or “rabbit starvation” is one of the potential problems when trying to survive on a very lean protein/meat diet with little or no carbohydrate. In fact, our on-base nutrition was a high fat/high protein diet and featured a very high-fat post-dinner meal which was probably over 80% fat. I routinely lost excess body fat and gained a significant amount of muscle despite high levels of physical activity and exposure to temperatures that went to 40 below and occasionally lower. It’s why pemmican is such a great travel food in an adverse situation. I’d point to the Inuit ancestral diet.......
I’m with Amber on the higher-fat regimen. I feel “right” with higher fat in my diet.
Rabbit starvation is caused by too little fat, not too little carbohydrate. I'm Metis from Northern Alberta, and many of my ancestors struggled with this. The remedy was always to find & eat more fat.
This is the sanest discussion on the fat/protein subject. Thank you.
agreed!
I choose to follow a slightly calorie restricted, 2:1 therapeutic ketogenic diet as part of my cancer management strategy. I'm 9 years post diagnosis and treatment for stage lll breast cancer. Ive had treatment for two isolated metastases but nothing new for 18 months
Amber talks of her Salmonella poisoning. She also speaks of eating uncooked fat. The question is how does she think she contracted the Salmonella poisoning? From what?
My experience on Carnivore is that higher protein (1:1 by weight) is more satiating than higher fat (2:1).
I’m the same way!!!
Me too!!
I ate high fat carnivore/PKD for the first 10-11 months on carnivore and kept gaining weight. I only started losing fat when I tried lowering my fat and raising my protein intake. Now I'm burning body fat whether I workout or not!
I think my body needed the first 10 months on higher fat carnivore so it could heal though. I guess now my body's telling me it's healed enough and is ready to start letting go of my body fat.
Naoki22 On the PKD what did you eat to get that 2:1 ratio?
@@userillusion86 I was 80:20 to 85:15 fat to protein, so I was pretty high fat. I would add tons of fat trimmings to my meals to force my fat intake to meet those ratios and I guess my body couldn't handle it. I think higher fat is good for healing though, but not necessarily for weight loss. I guess it depends on the individual.
Wow this is exactly my story too! I was high fat for the first 10 months and only now going into month 11 am I starting to intentionally eat leaner (leaner beefs, fish, etc.) as I did not lose any weight the first 10 month. But I also believe my body needed that time to heal too. Did you keep this up and how is it going now?
I’m better with 1:1 ratio
Interesting idea and comment
I am now learning that sunlight is key in my body letting go of stored fat.
Ohhh...interesting. how much ?
You walking as well? Reducing stress and such while outside? Both of those are factors for weight loss. ^^
@@jacquiandbrendon4779 I'm still trying to figure it all out but I try to get at least 20 minutes of sunshine.
@@NariKims No walking, at the moment. I do have a little less stress but I was able to shed fat easily last year while under lots of stress. Sunshine seems to be the major component for me.
@@nicolew231 Glad to hear it works so well for you!!
WOW, this explained so much for me. I too lost 60lbs with fasting carnivore and was easily maintaining that loss until I had pretty major surgery. Not only was I gaining weight (about 15lbs in 5 months) I was craving surgar (I've been low carb for 20 years) and couldn't fast past 24 hours. At the 24 hour mark, I'd get so incredibly nauseated there was no way I could continue fasting. I stepped back, doubled down on carnivore, eating intuitively, and TRIED to "trust the process," sometimes more successfully than others. LOL ! At about the 5-month mark I started to be able to fast again, and am trying to now re-lose those pounds. Understanding the immune-insulin connection is huge, as fasting was near impossible as long as my insulin was elevated from my body healing! Thanks, Amber for the insight, and thanks to Kelly for your dedication to posting accessible content to your platform.
According to Dr Chaffe and others fasting can mess with your metabolism, making it harder to lose weight when you're not fasting. Also, you have to be careful that you're not losing muscle tissue. I watched a personal trainer who used a body scanner on one of his clients, said she lost 7lbs fasting, but 6 were muscle tissue, not fat.
Thanks Kelly for all the wonderful guests you have on. I know your a busy mom with the kids home . Thanks for your time to do this. 💕💐
This is insanely helpful. Thank you both for addressing this issue!!!!!! I did so much research around fat/protein ratio (youtube, raddit, google). I didn't do well nor did I feel well on 'eat as much as I want' and 'eat when hungry' even when I ate fatty meats. I knew that my electrolytes were good so it must be "NOT ENOUGH fat". So I started experimenting prior to watching this video. Yesterday, I ate cooked beef suet first till the point I couldn't eat any more and then I started to eat my steak.... What a difference! Also, sometimes you think it is electrolytes issue but it could be a fat issue. I had so much energy yesterday after lifting the fat. I weighed myself this morning and the scale actually went down. FYI, I started this diet 2 weeks ago.....Also eating fats attached to meat is better than eating liquid fats. You might get a lot of diarrhea (explosive) if you just start this diet and you add a lot of lard (liquid fat) to whatever meat you are eating. Don't worry about calories. My opinion, this is hormonal. I also read about The Bear (there is a PDF online). He started his diet with 80%/20%. (2:1 in grams), and he dropped to 60% to 40%. Audience, Do Not be Afraid to eat a lot of fat!
I LOVE hearing the experiences of other carnivores! So fascinating! I hope this continues to work for you forever and ever amen! I wish you many, many beautiful years of excellent health and happy meat eating! Thank you so much for your feedback!
People are not used to eating more fat than they're used to. We automatically think we should trim off the fat and that can be the entire problem. If you want clear skin (like Steak and Butter Girl) it's the fat. She eats butter by the stick. Dry skin means eat more fat.
If I eat a grass fed steak with a little butter, I’m satisfied.
Two nights ago, I ate a big price of salmon & prawns.
With an hour I was very hungry.
I didn’t have anything quick to eat, my partner went out and bought ice cream & chocolate.
YEP I ate it.
I believe it was the high protein perhaps ?
It was the *lean* protein, I believe. Seafood has its benefits but it doesn't satisfy like red meat, in my opinion.
Dana absolutely nailed it!! I eat higher protein, fat when I want it, love seafood and chicken and weight loss stays steady!!
Do you know what your macros are?
Ruth...love to find a "dating site for Carnivores"...LOL...but, really not joking. I liked your Opossum video.
@@frankfromupstateny3796 Oh my goodness, Frank, you made my day!! Well I think you just found a new business venture, right? My parents were from Clarksburg and Worthington, WVA and married for 69 years and mom made a lot of prime rib, standing rib roasts, rib-eyes and great food. Thanks for being kind. That goes a long way.
Ketosis should be easy and enough fat should be easy.
50 to 100 grams of protein per day is enough, and will not be too much (active types need more). More protein than that and your weight loss may stall and you may fall out of ketosis as the excess protein turns into glucose as when you were eating carbs all day long.
Enough fat is easy, just eat more. Use Chronometer (free)but know that the macro numbers currently are wrong for ground beef, so double-check that. Fat grams should always be more than protein grams and not reversed.
The optimal Paleomedicia gram weight ratio is 1 g of Protein weight (not meat weight) to 2 g Fat or by meat weight, 100 grams of meat to 35 grams of fat, or 3:1 by weight.
Or just buy 73%/27% ground beef which has your 100 meat/35 fat ratio with no added fat needed. Easy. Get 73/27 for cheap at your local supermarket from Signature Farms.
If you're still not losing weight or not in ketosis, that can only mean you're eating too many calories, which is hard if you get enough fat. Enough fat is the key plus keeping calories under what you burn. These ratios are correct for everyone because they are based on long-term clinical experience with a few thousand people and confirmed by fine-tuned molecular testing - not iffy intuition. Start there and carefully deviate to adjust. If your experiment does not work out, go back to the 100 g meat:35 g fat ratio that seems to cure everyone of everything regardless of their background.
80% fat and 20% meat by Calories matches the 100 grams meat to 35 grams fat by weight as well as the 1:2 ratio of protein to fat. Ketosis and losing fat and curing leaky gut and avoiding doctors depend on 2 things - enough fat and fewer calories. Simple. No need for grass-fed or organic. By the way, constipation on this diet is a sign of not enough fat.
This is such a great video. I’m in my 4th month of carnivore and haven’t lost any weight. Although I know my body is thriving on carnivore, it does bother me that I am not getting skinny lol. I keep tweaking and experimenting with my fat and protein and other variables. For the last week I’ve been telling myself I just need to stop thinking so much about and let my body learn to do what it needs to do. This was a super great reinforcement of that need. As always Kelly, you are the best and I appreciate you!!!
Comments like these mean so much! Thank you for letting me know that it was helpful! I hope and pray that you find all of the benefits and improvements that you're looking for. Thank you again for being so supportive and kind.
Hi, Yes, I so agree with @Daisy's Journey! Same here, in Week 8, and no weight change or "smaller" size yet. I probably don't have more than 1 or 2 sizes to drop, but still... it's hard to NOT think about that part. ;) Your information is really helpful! Thank you so much!
Me too, carnivore for a long while and still waiting or weight loss benefits, starting to doubt the whole thing. Went paleo in 2011, then low carb in 2012, keto in 2017, now carnivore in 2918. Not sure what’s going wrong 😩
Julia S - you’ve been eliminating carbs since 2011 and haven’t lost weight?? Or are you saying that you lost weight doing paleo and keto, but not on carnivore? Are you certain that you need to lose weight? If so, what do you typically eat each day? (And if you don’t want to answer, it’s perfectly fine. I was just going to offer to help, if you’d like.) ☺️
I agree. I appreciate your simplicity of the zero carb lifestyle. And....thank you for not trying to sell something. No coaching no cookbooks nothing. Thanks for sharing your way of life
It is such a relief to hear Amber talk about her recent challenges with eating and weight gain. I've been going through the same and feeling like such a failure. But to know that someone as experienced as Amber has the same issues is a huge weight off my shoulders, no pun intended! Thanks as always, Kelly :)
This is great!
Carnivore Yogi hey 👋 good to see you here this way of eating takes time to learn been doing it for one ☝️ year
Menopause definitely was a game changer for me, I gained 40 lbs in the past three years, bit the bullet and realized I needed high protein high fat no plant carbs and the pounds are melting away quickly
I love the nuance presented here, focus on paying attention to your body, and hearing from different veterans. Thank you!
I love the interview format of your channel, Kelly. It makes so much sense to learn through having conversations with people. You’re bring back the lost art of conversation. I’ve learned so much by listening.