the early 2000s were awful for body standards oh my god. on what planet was robin plus-sized??? and then they turn around and call elyse too thin. nothing is good enough and every girl who grew up in this time had to deal with that level of scrutiny
yeah, and the whole “heroin chick” look in the early 2000’s was really bad for young girls… it was all about looking unhealthy thin with every bone showing through skin, with nearly emaciated stomachs… just scary. scary what those girls had to go through at that time when heroin chick was “ideal body goals”!
It's not just the stilettos that would have made it look Playboy. Every contestant would have had hard nipples, in -13C weather. The photographer may have been judging them negatively for that too. ANTM judges do not know what they want.
This episode is a perfect depiction of the sexism and degradation of women in the early 2000’s which I feel like no one talks about but I was born in 1994 and I remember the kinds of horrible things said about women during this era. It made it really difficult for me as a young girl to really love myself and my body. I’m glad things are even just slightly better now.
yeah, and the whole “heroin chick” look in the early 2000’s was really bad for young girls… it was all about looking unhealthy thin with every bone showing through skin, with nearly emaciated stomachs… just scary. scary what those girls had to go through at that time when heroin chick was “ideal body goals”!
The “slightly better” part is still sad though, but yay for slightly?…. 🤷♀️ *sigh* I’ll take small victories, in this case, very small, for two decades of time passed
@@jnbg61584 I know right. I want to say it’s more than slightly, I think in some industries it is and other it isn’t. I just can’t BELIEVE they had the audacity to call that girl plus size. That would never happen now….right? Lol
I looked it up. Hypothermia can set in within 15 minutes in this setting. if you aren't dressed properly, are thin, and you add wind, it can be even faster. It was literally dangerous. So while they are literally suffering from onsetting hypothermia, they are criticizing them. This is just horrendous. No one should have to deal with this situation at WORK! Bull.
Thanks! That was my thought then and today. After season one, episode four. I could not take it. Years Later KUWKardash I could foresee that something similar would happen but instead of modelling. It would be a family creating a toxic environment and showing people "I'm better than you because I am rich. Deal with it." (finger snaps). No model or a regular person should have to go through that type of mistreatment.
And that photograher is a complete tool bag , he didn't even give any proper direction yet he's happy to belittle & mock them . His partner was just as rude aswell .
Okay let’s just say they absolutely HAD to shoot a bikini shoot in the winter in New York on top of a roof with biting winds (even tho they didn’t have to do that) have they never heard of heat lamps???? I feel like there are ways to warm the set so it’s not colder than the arctic
The point of that was to show that modeling isn’t so “glamorous”. In addition, Cycle 1 was noted for being put/thrown together last minute and being low budget, besides from being the first season.
@@Bea56601 heatlamps did exist. Also indoor swimsuit shoots are more common than Winter ones. I google it and all that comes up are instagram models skying and ariel Winter in a bathing suit. They would learn their lesson that modeling is not cozy in a 10° c room just as well without having the risk of hypothermia. They had the same issue again, because they were unwillig to heat up a Pool and the poor girl did get hypothermia and the pictures were not as sharp because she was shivering and clapping with her teeth. It's so much cheaper to just heat up to place than to have to try to Photoshop out every goosebump and correct bluish skin
@@marklisowski6549 modelling isn't easy but the people in charge of the shoot would need to provide heat lamps, care for the safety of their models, etc. There's a difference between 'hard' and 'being treated cruelly' 😂
"it's 8°, guys" Oh damn, that's a bit cold to be standing out in the wind in a bikini, I wouldn't want to do that "8° farenheit, -13°C" OKAY that sounds more like a violation of human rights
In that temperature depending on how thin you are and how poorly dressed you are you can have hypothermia set in after 15 minutes definitely a violation
“Being a model isn’t just about a pretty face. A good model can bend physics. If they’re really devoted to getting a good shot, they’ll just heat their body using pure willpower and shut that frostbite down.”
"but also a good model knows her limits and if you try to push through and not tell the directors you're sick then how can we trust you to work?" -an actual critique from the later seasons. They yell at them to push through despite how they're feeling and then yell at them when they push through.
It’s so interesting that Tyra said she wished Robins upper body was bigger to make her a true “plus size” model but with Toccara, who did have a larger chest and upper body, it was always talked about in a negative way
Good bountiful breasts are the way this industry "allows" plus size... If you have more of you and that doesn't translate into more boob, there is no hope for you!
@@sarahwithstars My thing is they had so much to say about the one they said had a heavy bottom...does that make sense when people are dying and I do mean some are dying to have butt fillers?
If they didn’t want a “plus” size model to win… why did they let her on the show…??? Aaand she has like 10 lbs of body fat. She is NOT a plus size model.
Yes, she is a plus size model. Go to Paris & try telling them she’s not plus size they would laugh you out the door. It’s only in America people are so obese & think it doesn’t matter & we should want to see obese people in fashion shows… um, nope, nobody wants to see unhealthy people modeling, models work hard to stay in shape & fat people want to be models? Put in the damn work then.
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Tyra sarcastically “welcome to the beautiful glamorous world of modeling” while she’s standing there in a turtle neck and feather winter coat. Okay girl.
The fact that Robin was considered "plus-sized" is insane. I have that they pick apart every body they see. Seems like nothing is good enough for them.
absolutely, to me Robin is midsize at most... imagine being put through so much bodyshaming and bullying when they actually brought her there, poor her
@@lucierichard9417 that comment about Tyra wishing she was bigger on the top half because she's only "half plus-sized" was uncalled for. She has the body she was born with. Plus "slim thick" bodies were still a thing back then. Tyra had curves herself. She should've known better than to talk about some like that. Especially when they had similar figures and she cried when people talked about her figure. Then they talked about the still developing bodies because the girls were slim. Wth? I hope all the contestants are healthy and happy now.
@@lucierichard9417 I stopped watching after a while. I didn't realize how harmful the show was. I watch this channel or Google their pictures so I don't have to watch the newer seasons. This was definitely a wild era.
"Why do it on a rooftop in NY in the middle of winter?" The REAL reason is because Tyra is a classic case.of the abused turning into the abuser. She was treated like dirt to "earn" her way to the top, so she does the same to them. Worst of all, the look on her face tells us she enjoys it.
Basically getting back at the people who abused HER in the industry by projecting it onto new models.. This show had a lot of potential to change the industry rather than gas lighting the contestants.
@@lunix3259 I graduated from university at 25 and got my first job after graduation (since I also had jobs while studying) on my 26th birthday. I experienced a lot of setbacks in life that made it hard for me to accomplish things earlier. Sometimes I console myself by saying that even though I was held back by my circumstances, at least I gained strength through those experiences. Honestly, I still feel like I'm "late" for the stereotypical timeline of life (mostly because of my surroundings, seeing and hearing the people arround me), and I do get envious of other people I know who are "ahead"/"on time". But I believe (and I'm saying this to encourage myself and my fellow "late bloomers" out there) that even though we feel like it's "too late", there are still a lot of opportunities and things that we can conquer even after turning 26.
Same, in so many areas of my life. Even now 30+ years i hear how hard is for a woman get a job after 30, cause, we are not getting younger of prettier.
Janice once again proving she’s the worst judge in this ep most if not all judges have been awful in some way towards the models imo but Janice was on another level
Janice was a monster. She never should have been a judge when she has no filter. Maybe they wanted a Simon Cowell-type judge? But when you're talking about a teenage girl's body, we don't need Simon Cowell.
@@sabrinaschell4938 In interviews, Janice said that she was brought on the show’s equivalent of Simon Cowell. Although scattered on sources, Tyra even admitted Janice was hired to play/create a good cop (her), bad cop (Janice) situation. However, Janice went over the top to everyone’s liking while Tyra, outside of some support and coaching on the first couple of shoots this cycle, wasn’t exactly a good cop.
One of my biggest issues with them age shaming Robin this whole season was the fact that they had an AGE REQUIREMENT! If they wanted only super young women, they should have made the cutoff like 23/24 or younger. They knew how old she was when she came on there so why keep bringing it up 😒???
Same goes for the ‘plus’ model. If she was too ‘big’ to be a good candidate they should have turned her down or made her offer conditional on getting the ‘right’ size before the show
I bet if they had goosebumps that showed in the photo, the judges would probably blame them for that and say "as a model you need to know how to control your body"
Delays by what? 30 seconds? I’m confused here? She didn’t delay anything I mean with that the photographer could have delayed the photo shoot by making any comment because he wasted 1 second?
@@_peepee_ she just made a statement and they moved on. It’s not like it was a part of the shoot and also did she delay the shoot for calling OUT THE GIRLS FOR BEING LATE because she also wasted 30 seconds on that. They are wasting the time and money for the photographers and editors who are legit on standby for them.
I remember this series and thinking Robin (the girl that’s 26) was soo old..that in my memory she was almost 40..crazy how things stick in our head differently..(and as a 30 year old I’m highly offended how they treat her as an ancient being)
I'm almost 40 and I don't feel ancient. Though frankly, Robin looks older than even I do probably. Still, I was watching this season on another channel and other shows, and the commenter there noted that people in that decade just look older for some reason. It could be the styling.
@@TheAray6 On that channel there was also a where are they now segment and she's basically married and that's it. She had an article where two kids under her care, maybe in some sort of foster situation, ran away. Small kids too.
"For today's photoshoot, we are gonna actually be hacking off the model's limbs with rusty saws." "A real model wouldn't be screaming and would push through the pain." "Wow, she really looks horrible in all these photos. She's not ready for the modeling world."
No but it really is a fake background. During the shoot they all stood in the same place more-or-less and yet all the pictures backgrounds are totally different from each other AND from the skyline visible during the actual shoot. So like why even shoot on a roof in freezing temperatures
As someone who just turned 26 and still is treated as if I’m too young to have any life experience in my family to hear them say 26/27 was too old is crazy!
I feel like 26 would be a better time to get into modeling. An industry like this, even though it changed, can really damage one's self esteem and confidence. No one should be going through that, but it's even worse when it's done to some who is still developing.
Although things have improved and are flexible with age now, the impression, even now, is to prefer younger so they can develop someone instead of them coming developed, as screw up as that sounds.
A big part of why they want the girls to start young is the impossible size restrictions. It is easier for a 16 year old girl to have a hip measurement under 90cm than a 26 year old woman.
Yes but people over 26 don’t really look at the commercials and believe everything they see. They are aware that clothes that looks amazing on 0 size model is just a rag with some famous name attached to it… modeling is definitely a stupid job to have and there is always just 2-3 famous models every 10 years that might have some fame but everyone else is just a nobody. Also today Instagram models get so much more money for promoting and it costs so much less to hire someone to take a pic with their phone. They want young people to promote stuff for young people. People over 30 don’t have time and don’t care for the products because we don’t trust anyone but our close friends and ourselves.
A BIKINI PHOTOSHOOT AT -13 DEGREES CELSIUS THAT COULD’VE BEEN SHOT FOR THE SUMMER. It’s basically that 5 hour Meeting that could’ve been a 5 line E-mail.
I am also a professional photographer & I agree with you on every point here. That photoshoot was garbage, there was nothing special about it! The background looked fake. They endangered the health of the models. Then blame the models if they didn't produce. Awful.
“Elizabeth has a lot to say with her very comfortable jacket.” 😂 I’m so glad that you went all the way back to react to the very first episode. I love your critiques with the photography in these and the rude comments that they made towards the models. Times have changed so much In the last almost 20 years.
They pulled an entire eating disorder storyline for Elyse that several of the other contestants got involved in, very uncomfortable to watch, especially for someone like me who's had issues with an ED himself in the past. Also kind of hypocritical to feign concern for her health in the same elimination where Robyn is labelled plus size. Granted, it was a different time, but still, big yikes. Sidenote, Ebony was done dirty too throughout the season, Robyn had it in for her because she's a lesbian so production jumped on that to make her the stereotypical angry black woman.
I learned recently that Shannon wrote on her blog about her own struggles with an ED. She was actually hospitalized as a young teen because she passed out after restricting so much. She's doing much better now, but I can't imagine how it felt for her to hear those speculations for Elyse when she had struggled herself. It certainly wasn't a friendly environment to talk about what you're going through.
Apparently, according to Adrienne and Shannon, they didn't even bother to make sure the women had proper meals to eat! (it's why Adrienne was desperate enough to eat clearly undercooked chicken later) They DID NOT CARE about their health or safety and damn sure didn't care about an ED
Totally agree, and also, a side note: I don't think it was a different time back then in the sense that saying this stuff was okay. I was watching this as it came out, and I remember there being an episode of E! News (the drama and commentary channel in the era of cable TV) where a woman absolutely BLASTED Tyra for this specific episode. It was a big deal at the time, back in 2003. This is a total theory of mine, but: I don't think there was much of a difference between now and then in terms of what was 'okay' and what wasn't. I kinda think that the only thing that's changed is our increased ability to talk to each other about messed up things, now that social media has connected us. Because now, regular people have more power than ever to express their complaints and have them seen/validated by millions of other people. Maybe I'm romanticizing the internet too much, but I think the major difference between then and now is only that we couldn't connect with each other as much as before.
@@honestlynotsponsored you definitely have valid points. The internet and social media helps immensely with sharing how messed up the media was back then and still is now, unfortunately. Looking back on it now, we have hindsight being 20/20 and everything to know just how wrong it was/is. Just like certain jokes, terms, etc was “okay” then because our society had a different mindset. This was passable then because it was kinda the norm, just like the Kate Moss/Calista Flockhart/Lara Flynn Boyle era of the waif stick thin women, yet still expected have a chest….somehow
@@honestlynotsponsored I should highlight that I am from Germany so mentalities might have been different between the US and here, but at least in my immediate environment EDs were often treated as illnesses stemming from vanity. If you had them you were obsessed with beauty and weight rather than today's theory which assumes that people mostly develop them out of a need for control, and that there are also restrictive EDs that manifest as an obsession with healthy food rather than no food or purging and thus go unnoticed for a long time until the person visibly avoids food groups. The sensitivity around the issue isn't quite where it should be - some people who know I've had one still constantly talk about how they are too fat and need to reduce their food intake around me. I'm not just talking harmless holiday banter about having gained weight, but full on beach body obsession.
This is a TV show. It was productions responsibility to get those girls there on time. They never should’ve been put in a situation where they were allowed to oversleep and had to pay for their own cab.
When you converted the temperature to Celsius, I audibly gasped. This is appalling. Thank you for making these videos that humanize models and call out abusive practices in reality TV. Edit: Oh, and the _cattiness_ later on? Critiquing a woman's feet as if foot size is something over which a woman has any control? And critiquing an incredibly toned model's thighs and suggesting she go on a diet? Like oh wow, what these 'judges' must think of the vast majority of us non-model humans. Shocking to see someone feeling like it was okay to say this stuff in front of a TV camera. (And oh man, the photographer saying he didn't like the girl in person but liked how she looked in photos.... what a spiritually ugly environment this was. Just yikes.) And oh. _Oh._ Robyn is a "plus-sized" model? What bubble of deception do these people live in? It's like they're auditioning for the role of evil villains in some Disney movie about an aspiring model.
Season 1 was brutal for the models. Janice was nasty, Adrienne had been groped during a go see and the models themselves were making each other crazy to a level rarely seen afterwards.
That said, I think part of the Adrienne reason stayed over Kesse (though eliminating Kesse was a reality tv decision; watch the in-episode promo for the following episode) was the production cluing in the in the judges about the incident. However, they went about in an odd, indirect way, and that was criticizing Robyn for convincing a random guy to guide through the Paris go-sees.
@@sabrinaschell4938 Back then they actually did some form of performance evaluation in judging, but they could have created an alternative test. Surely production could have obtained a note from a doctor
Adrienne was literally groped on the street and she was too upset to go to the other go-sees. Tyra’s reaction? Not sympathy at all, only pretty much telling her “it’s your responsibility nobody cares.”
I saw a thing with Adrianne and Shannon where they talked about this shoot and Adrianne actually talked about how they would do exactly what the photographer(s) said to do only to have the judges blame the models if the photo came out bad. Also, you have to wonder what sorts of questions production was asking those people. Editing can be misleading.
“I don’t have time to teach girls how to model” well maybe Tyra should have carved out for some for that since none of these girls knew how to model?? I don’t understand why they expected professional pictures from people they found in the mall
My biggest issue is, that they don't actually teach anything to the models about modeling. Like Tyra is a veteran model, big name in the industry, if somebody could have given good advices to the girls, that would have been her. But they don't theach them anything, just expect complet beginners to do good.
Tyra is just repeating the cycle of abuse she went through but made it worse and profited from it. Being compared to Naomi all the time did not help but she also didn't have to keep the status quo....
Oh Janice is/was mad fatphobic. She basically bullied Toccara in season 3. I also vaguely remember this scene from her reality show, where her partner decided to include plus-size models in their agency and she didn't even want to be in the same room as them.
@@ValarienWings True. I'm pretty sure she started her career around the same time stick-thin models became the norm, so that must've caused a lot damage.
To crop the photos the way they did was just such a slap in the face to the models. It looked like a fake green screen photo. If the photos showed the models whole body, plus the top of the skyscraper so we could tell were they where, it would have looked amazing! Imo ANTM photo editing has always been questionable.
Sorry if this has already been said but why do I feel like Tyra “defending” the model for hooking her thumbs in her bikini and comparing it to her own picture was just an invitation for the other judges to compliment her by saying “well she’s no you, she has a long way to go to be you etc.” obviously that comment was pre planned because Tyra has the picture of herself ready to compare! The Comment was nice but given the context of the entire show I just don’t buy it!!
No wonder I have body dysmorphia. I used to idolize this show as a teen and think women like here WERE plus sized models thanks to that. So sad that there might be so many women ruined by this.
Jessica, I would love to see you reinterpret all the Top Model photo shoots as a series, without freezing the models, insulting them, giving them no feedback or unhelpful advice, etc. It would be cool to see these through your lens.
I’m glad this toxic mindset is FINALLY being called out for what it is. Unacceptable. Tyra likes to act like she helped these women when in reality she probably scarred the majority of them for life.
Nothing makes me want to get into a bikini more than 8-degree weather with high-rises in the background with 6-inch stilettos. Who decided on this concept? Get on a beach!
Yeah it's a really weird choice, when advertising bikinis it feels like you would want people to actually want to wear them and a rooftop in the middle of a city isn't really were I'd want to wear a bikini 🤦♀️
Not that photographer's assistant being snooty on literally every girl while she's up there in a heavy warm coat, complaining about every girl not moving the way she wants them to then at the end flipping and said "they all did great for it being their first time modeling and with the cold weather". We all see past your little two-faced backtalk there.
I find it ironic that they bashed Robin’s body back then but she’s literally the epitome of beauty in today’s time. Small waist and thick thighs. And she’s NATURALLY like that!! Robin was sculpted by an angel. I’m jealous.
The ANTM rule should be that everyone one on the photoshoot set should have to dress how the models are dressed. Let's see the photograoher in his swimsuit and have to deal wirh that.
If that’s the worst episode you’ve seen so far, you haven’t seen the Paris episode of that season. It is literally crazy from hara**ement to kind of gr**ming situations… how did they get away with that?
I would also love to see Jessica talk about that UGLY underwear shoot they did with that other male model. Literally the worst looking photoshoot I've ever seen on the show and there was nothing the girls could've done to fix that mess lol
@@herefortheshrimp1469 and you couldn’t even really see the underwear/ product they were supposed to promote… just shows it was never about the underwear…
@@sabrinaschell4938 yeah I agree… there was so much wrong with that season. Also when they tried to push this whole “Elise has an eating disorder” drama for literally only one episode and then never addressed it again. This kind of behavior could actually trigger one… and let’s not even talk about how they starved the girls …
@@jessicaao400 you could really argue that the show isn't even about modeling. Modeling is the "theme" of the reality show. Just another flavor of fake TV entertainment.
That is literally abuse. It is so common that in other situations abusers find an excuse ( many times for the victims "own good") to normalize violence, and the rooftop photoshoot is exactly that, they are torturing young women with freezing temperatures (which is known as an actual form of torture for mind breaking in interrogations). And we just watched this kind of atrocities in the show week after week and help Tyra and all the team make millions. It´s disgusting. Thank you so much Jessica for bringing awareness into this.
This is cruel, “relax, don’t be cold” while he’s toasty in his jacket. They have no body fat to warm them. For Tyra to tell them “create a character” she gave two faces with her “smizing” but they looked the same. Zoolander was better with Blue Steel 😂
The whole "pictures are shot just a season ahead" is bs, there is no problem to shoot 1-2 years before the line drops, and if they want an urban backdrop, they could have done this in the summer. Or just do it in a budget studio, since the final images sure look like it.
And for the backdrop they got in the shot, honestly they really could've just shot in a studio with a greenscreen behind them and then edited the city in. It wasn't really necessary at all
Im glad I understand this kind of stuff as an adult. This show is really just an hour of watching pretty people trying their best to get through being tortured
Back when I did art modeling, I did a _very_ brief shoot in the snow in fancy lingerie. There's like, a *total* of 6 pictures because it was cold af LOL Edit: Oh lord...we're into an episode with _Janice_ 🙄 I never liked Janice as a judge. There's a difference between criticism & being a bully/mean. Janice was *often* just effing mean. I will never forget that when Adrienne won & she was thanking the judges, Janice legitimately looked her dead in the eyes & told her "don't thank me, I didn't pick _you_ "
Like, as a consumer of art and advertising I don't want to see models in clearly uncomfortable situations like that! Even if they don't look uncomfy, I get caught up in hoping they're okay and that it's fake snow or something. Anyway, glad you weren't freezing for more than six frames!
@@yesterdaydream the upside of not doing fashion modeling - pretty much all the shoots I did were purely for fun. It was my dumb idea to go out in the snow like that LOL
I love that you always mention people would point out it being bad photography, not a bad model. There was one episode in cycle 5 I think it was the paparazzi challenge shoot they had. Nigel said the picture was bad photography and Tyra cuts him off and says ‘no one looks at it and thinks bad photography, they think the model isn’t bringing it.’ I have to agree with you, I always am judging the photography, not the model in the photo
When you said the temperature was 8 I thought you meant celcius, but 8F? Aren't there laws against that? -13C is a painful experience in full winter gear! I live in Canada, and when it's anything under -10 I try not to leave my house! I can't believe how bad this show was back then, smdh
@@jeancranston304 that is still way too cold! Let's put it this way, if these models were cats or dogs and these same demands were made on them, we would all be screaming animal abuse! Simply because these women are "choosing" to be there, doesn't change the fact that this is wrong. How the photographers and other people there had no problems being bundled up then demanding the models to strip down to almost nothing really baffles me. I would feel like such a terrible hypocrite if I was standing there in my thick coat and thick socks and shoes while other people are shivering. It's like eating a gourmet meal in front of a homeless person.
I always find it so astonishing how different the top model shows are in America and Germany. In Germany we have Heidi Klum, who is incredibly sweet and open, supports and helps every model, and tries to get the best out of everyone. In America, I have the impression that Tyra and the show try to embarrass and put down the models as often as possible. Be it with rude comments from the judges, or by situations in which the models are overwhelmed and fail.
I think, at the time, we in the USA leaned more towards Mean TV. Look at what American Idol was like. The auditions were all about making fun of people. Simon Cowell was the one people loved to hate. And look how popular American Idol became.
The german version wasn't without it's own problems, but it was nowhere near this level (unless my memory of the things I have seen were distorted with time). I would love to see Jessica react to some of the shoots they did there, I feel like overall, they were crazy too, but more interesting.
Only on the camera. But how many girls needed to take legal actions because they are pressured to sign contract with Gunter Klum's model agency, who is Heidi's dad. But this agency is BS. Or now Heidi changing her years long agenda about the perfect model because her daughter have not the height. And many other toxic things.
I remember distinctly watching this episode when I was 12 and it being a huge turning point in the way that I viewed and treated my own body. The day this episode aired was the day I started to really struggle because my thighs and “booty” were much like Ebony’s. It makes me so sad knowing that I wasted over a decade of my life trying to shrink the size of my body after I started watching this show. I can only imagine the amount of lives affected by it. I have a 4 year old daughter now, and I will always do everything in my power to make sure she knows that her body is the least interesting thing about her.
Well done for protecting your daughter! I am appalled that this revolting show even aired, let alone influenced (and hurt) so many young people. Revolting judges, revolting industry! Shameful and disgusting
Shows like this were a big part of why my eating disorder developed when I was younger. I've always been fat, and never saw anyone considered "beautiful" who were around my size. All the models, the "beautiful" women, were always skinny, and to me, that meant being fat was automatically ugly. It was so damaging and hurtful. I still carry that hurt now, so many years later, even as I try to learn and let it go. I feel for all the other kids who grew up with this, grew up with the idea that only skinny was beautiful.
Me too…. I watched this show as a young preteen girl and at the age of 28 still struggle with an eating disorder and body dysmorphia. It sticks with you.
Apparently her thighs and butt were a bit bigger than the other girls. 🤷🏾♀️ But that's about it. I don't know why that makes SUCH a big difference either.
back then if you wernt a size 0-2 you were plus size i saw someone mention robin being a size 6 so that would by technicality be a lot larger than all the other girls i never understood it
@Felicity Nicole in all reality there really isnt much difference between a 0 and a 6 but to them there was and i agree it is insane ive always worn a size 10 and i was so scared of that growing up because of shows like this
I’ve been struggling with Covid these last two weeks, so I really appreciate your videos! These little trips down memory lane with ANTM have kept me entertained! I love your videos! ✨💕
Everyone's talking about how Robin isn't a plus-size model at all -- which is true, she's so beautiful -- but for me it was Tessa casually going "I got a little bit more meat to me" when she's literally one of the skinniest people I've ever seen. Like ma'am if you think you're on the bigger side then wtf am I. 😭 I was born in the early 2000s, so seeing that this is what women were subjected to is wild to me.
It's crazy how at 6:40 she confessed she had "a little more meat" in her, then it cuts to her body and I'm like... that's "meat"-y to you??? She has a great body and not "meat"-y at all. The pressure put on by society is just so dang toxic. Like, she's clearly fine the way she is with a great body. I mean... It's sad how this was an actual thing back in the day (still is today actually) calling girls with close-to-normal body types as "meaty" and bodyshaming models (Hi, Ashley Graham. Yes, you. I'm talking about you ironically bodyshaming other models. Scared to be dethroned from being the "plus-sized supermodel"? Methinks so.) 🙄
Whoa, especially India from cycle 23 winner, i'm so insulted & dissapointed... i'm not surprise in general fashion industry is competetive & unhealthy standard until now, if you're model good luck on your 1st job, not all models are healthy but sometimes healthy thick toned curvacious supermodels like Gisele Bündchen, Adriana Lima, Doutzen Kroes, Eniko Mihalik, Joan Small, Maryna Linchuk is pretty healthy at least you're not rescrticting the food and your enjoying the food. But clients were insulted until now not surprise.
@@visualbeauty3427 I wouldn't call those ladies thick..... toned, yes.... healthy, yes...... but thick?? no-no.... (I am not so sure about curvacious either). SALMA HAYEK is curvacious (and WAS even in her twenties).
When ANTM began airing I was a 21 year old flight attendant in my first year of flying, I’ll never forget one of my good friends told me about this show (Cycle 2 was airing when she told me) and I had been hooked ever since, recording episodes on my VCR to watch when I got home LOL. Never missed an episode. What’s incredible to me now as a 40 year old looking back is how bad this show overall is aging. We used to be so excited to see Tyra, Miss Jay, Mr Jay, loved calling Janice a b!tch haha….but my god, it’s crazy how problematic everything really was! I’m enjoying watching your take on some of the classic episodes I’ll never forget!
I’m really glad that as a professional photographer you are saying these things. I always thought these scenarios and judges were harsh and abusive, but I thought those things were part of that industry 😖 I always felt sad for them.
This is the only season I've actually watched. Tyra was definitely a lot more helpful and the judging was more arguing than anyone actually agreeing. The first season was a lot different than the rest
True, though it had some questionable moments like the dinner with those greasy men that felt more like escort training than a business meeting, and the dude groping Adrienne in Paris with the camera person just filming the whole thing.
I've heard Tyra and Janice weren't getting along at all during the filming. Interesting to see how that translates to what we see in the finished project.
The first two cycle were more of documentary style with how they trying to present it. Cycle 3 was where it shifted to more of a reality tv presentation.
I remember Tyra saying in Caridee's season (the photoshoot where Caridee went into hypothermic shock) that apparently models do this kinda stuff all the time. Glad to know that it's not REALLY like this!
What do they think justifies treating people this way. I don't think they understand how terribly wrong this is. I'm sorry that you tolerated this type of treatment for fame and riches, because honestly this should be unacceptable to any human being for work. So bogus.
The only redeeming critique from the photographer, albeit delivered in the wrong was, was about Shannon and her tanning. It is much easier to make a model look tan for a shoot than the reverse, not to mention the damage to her skin, the increased difficulty for the makeup artist to work with skin that can be peeling and flaking.
I understand plus size has evolved recently, though I still can’t help but think that if any of these women are classified ‘plus-size’, then I must be a whale!
I absolutely hate the early seasons because they focus sooo much on weight and literally they all look good. These early seasons are just evidence of why the girls who grew up in the early 2000s have body issues. Like all their bodies are gorgeous and they’re like “she needs to lose weight” and then “she’s too thin, no meat on her bones”
I’m literally watching this season this week haha Adrienne and Shannon are still really great friends! I love and respect both of them they are wonderful girls
I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE YOUR REACTION VIDEOS!! (i will go back in my history and like each video I already watched over the weekend) You have an amazing way to grabbing and keeping the audience attention and you seem so down to earth! I love when you pause the video and just go off on Ms Jay and Tyra! lol! you made me look at the series in a whole new light, especially since you're a photographer. It never dawned on me it wasn't just model's responsibility--it was EVERYONE on the set responsibility to ensure the photo comes out great. ANTM came out when I was in the 9th grade, I haven't watched it since maybe season 8/9 and it's so crazy how "normal" the red flags seemed back then! and I LOVE WHEN YOU CALL/ EXPOSE EACH ONE. Keep doing your thing, sis!💜
Yeah cycle 1 of this show is really something else. It feels really unsafe in a lot of parts. And the photoshoots are by and large trash tbh. The snake one is good and the diamonds one is descent but overall, not a great cycle for photography. I think the lingerie one in paris is the worst, that could be fun to look at.
I just mentioned that shoot in another comment lol. I still can't believe that was something done with a budget for a real brand!!!!!! France should sue lol
@@herefortheshrimp1469 Tell me about it! I'm from Paris and I'm in shock that they dragged our poor Eiffel tower into this mess AND managed to make it looked photoshopped into the pics...
I LOVE how you brought up the fact that they refuse to address the model directly regarding their criticisms/corrections while also subtly insulting her in her face. That's exactly how gaslighting works. The perpetrators purposefully dis-clude their victim in their conversation, while insulting/accusing them. . THEN if the victim attempts to call them out on it by directly attempting to make communication with them... they are denied, scoffed at, mocked, accused of being "paranoid" or "too sensitive" and then continued to be ignored. . This makes the perpetrators appear to be "too above" their victim to communicate directly with them while completely manipulating and twisting the narrative to seem as though the victim was "too troublesome" or "not worth it" in the first place... . (The overall goal of this type of behavior is to get others to isolate and shun this victim from positive and healthy communications -- which then they attempt to make the victim feel as though they are somehow "inferior" as a person, and making them be "all alone" so that they eventually become depressed, socially isolated and self-destructive.) . Thankfully I majored in psychological studies in college- narcissism and other destructive personality types were most definitely includes in this! . Soooooooo .... Again. To reiterate.. . These are all Tendencies of Die-hard TRUE and REAL malignant narcissists ! . . . BTW: this post is directly in reference to Jessica's statement when she says: "Do you guys see the issue here? They're not actually communicating with the models. They're kind of just snickering in the background ..." Maybe say all that stuff TO HER! "PROBLEM SOLVED." Video: 12:03-12:35
They literally did the shoot and had edited photos ready for judging in what? 1-5 days? This could have waited for warmer weather. Also completely agree that the background looks like a green screen anyways 🤷♀️
There was definitely a concept back then of just having that "it" factor. People were supposed to be naturally good/fitting for the thing they were trying to achieve and then hone their skills from there. You rarely thought it was really ok to start from 0 talent/skills. And we were all conditioned to be so competitive, we really leaned into that. If you were at least a little bit naturally good at the thing you were trying to do people would just call you out and say you weren't fit for it.
I was just thinking about that! Like we were supposed to instinctively know how to do something out of nowhere, without any guide or indications. I'm glad more people know about social determinism nowadays. The people who were "naturally gifted ", actually learned from their environment for most part. If you criticise a little girl about her look she most likely will be stiff and shy during a photoshoot when grows up VS when you constantly praise someone, this person will grow up having confidence.
I absolutely love your content, your talent, and your ability to be so relatable on camera while also being able to teach newcomers in photography. I've learned so much through your channel.
to begin with this shouldn’t have been shot outside when the temperature is so low it can literally seriously hurt them but they could’ve atleast surrounded them with heaters i would love to see tyra do this
"Fun" thing they did in Cycle 1 was send a personal trainer in to give all the girls a public weigh-in and BMI or something like that. Like it could have been a decent moment, teaching them about exercise that will help them model (increased flexibility and core strength for dynamic poses, perhaps) but nope, it was just another opportunity to humiliate them on television. iirc, it didn't even go anywhere because it's not like they had regular fitness checks with this trainer guy.
@@justine4652 Did they? I genuinely don't remember, it's been years since I actually saw s1. Only remember the first "weigh in" because of another youtuber (lucretia? I think that's her name?) reacting to s1e1. Either way, it wasn't (to my memory) treated as a "fitness can help with modeling" so much as "let's publicly humiliate these young adults about their bodies".
John, the fitness instructor, was featured inat least 3 episodes, prior to going to Paris. One was the weigh-in (something they did for they next couple of cycle); one involved had drama with Robyn while praising Adrienne; one commending Adrienne and praising Elyse (the episode that highlight Elyse alleged eating disorder) After more thought, I think the real reason why they had John and the fitness segments was to better assess if one of the girls did have an eating disorder. If this sounds, you can spot that ANTM has very odd, roundabout way to showcase a few things, from time to time.
I saw something similar on a different modeling competition show. They brought a doctor in to give all the contestants physicals and they were told they were at a healthy weight by the doctor but the judges were always telling them that they weren't thin enough to be models thereby basically saying that being a model is not healthy.
Can I just say, thank you to the algorithm for bringing me your channel. I've been binging you for the last 3 days. I didn't know how much I needed someone to say out loud how I felt about this show. I know this is stupid but it's healing in away to know I haven't been crazy all these years thinking this was a dumpster fire of a show. There's just this mean spirited undercurrent to the whole show that I could never get anyone else to see...and you do it in such an entertaining way...you're doing the lords work honey...drag them!
I was 20 when this came out. This show was focused less on the modeling and more on the drama. I remember thinking it was BS when they were saying 'it's about social change,' but as a 4'10 petite woman, I was immediately shunned. My friends loved the show, I loved to make fun of it. Not the models, but everything you're calling out (ridiculous statements, drama, Tyra being the center).
the early 2000s were awful for body standards oh my god. on what planet was robin plus-sized??? and then they turn around and call elyse too thin. nothing is good enough and every girl who grew up in this time had to deal with that level of scrutiny
The queen of the 00s, Britney Jean Spears, really summed it up in her modern masterpiece 'Piece of Me': 'I'm Mrs. She's-Too-Big-Now-She's-Too-Thin'
@@c.j.4180 Now that song is gonna be stuck in my head all day. 😂 I'm not complaining though. 💜
Entering my pre-teens in the early 2000’s destroyed my self esteem and I still struggle with it to this day
yeah, and the whole “heroin chick” look in the early 2000’s was really bad for young girls… it was all about looking unhealthy thin with every bone showing through skin, with nearly emaciated stomachs… just scary. scary what those girls had to go through at that time when heroin chick was “ideal body goals”!
@@julas3642 kinda reminds of Kate Moss.
You put the girls in bikinis and stilettos, then complain that “it’s lookin’ a little Playboy”?! 🤨
I really don’t know how else it could look except “a little playboy” 😂
Yow it's JLO swimsuit i think?
It's not just the stilettos that would have made it look Playboy. Every contestant would have had hard nipples, in -13C weather. The photographer may have been judging them negatively for that too. ANTM judges do not know what they want.
Wow. So weird. Literally in a sense
@@kameryn2918 They literally set these girls up for failure every week , the judges are mean spirited .
This episode is a perfect depiction of the sexism and degradation of women in the early 2000’s which I feel like no one talks about but I was born in 1994 and I remember the kinds of horrible things said about women during this era. It made it really difficult for me as a young girl to really love myself and my body. I’m glad things are even just slightly better now.
yeah, and the whole “heroin chick” look in the early 2000’s was really bad for young girls… it was all about looking unhealthy thin with every bone showing through skin, with nearly emaciated stomachs… just scary. scary what those girls had to go through at that time when heroin chick was “ideal body goals”!
The “slightly better” part is still sad though, but yay for slightly?…. 🤷♀️ *sigh* I’ll take small victories, in this case, very small, for two decades of time passed
@@jnbg61584 I know right. I want to say it’s more than slightly, I think in some industries it is and other it isn’t. I just can’t BELIEVE they had the audacity to call that girl plus size. That would never happen now….right? Lol
@@EmilyRuth22 oh no…that doesn’t happen anymore to a girl like her, who’s just healthy. Nope not at all /s
@@jnbg61584 okay yeah you’re right we got a long way to go 😂
I looked it up. Hypothermia can set in within 15 minutes in this setting. if you aren't dressed properly, are thin, and you add wind, it can be even faster. It was literally dangerous. So while they are literally suffering from onsetting hypothermia, they are criticizing them. This is just horrendous. No one should have to deal with this situation at WORK! Bull.
Thanks! That was my thought then and today. After season one, episode four. I could not take it. Years Later KUWKardash I could foresee that something similar would happen but instead of modelling. It would be a family creating a toxic environment and showing people "I'm better than you because I am rich. Deal with it." (finger snaps). No model or a regular person should have to go through that type of mistreatment.
@@hameley12 but it's exist of mistreatment in fashion sorry to say.
Terrible!!! And yes dangerous!!
And that photograher is a complete tool bag , he didn't even give any proper direction yet he's happy to belittle & mock them . His partner was just as rude aswell .
@@gemstar7286 yessss. She was a straight up b:tch
Okay let’s just say they absolutely HAD to shoot a bikini shoot in the winter in New York on top of a roof with biting winds (even tho they didn’t have to do that) have they never heard of heat lamps???? I feel like there are ways to warm the set so it’s not colder than the arctic
Even when I waited to see dir en grey in March they got us a giant heater.
The point of that was to show that modeling isn’t so “glamorous”. In addition, Cycle 1 was noted for being put/thrown together last minute and being low budget, besides from being the first season.
@@marklisowski6549 hell nah
@Jorie Murphy it may be that way today but not then.
@@Bea56601 heatlamps did exist. Also indoor swimsuit shoots are more common than Winter ones. I google it and all that comes up are instagram models skying and ariel Winter in a bathing suit. They would learn their lesson that modeling is not cozy in a 10° c room just as well without having the risk of hypothermia. They had the same issue again, because they were unwillig to heat up a Pool and the poor girl did get hypothermia and the pictures were not as sharp because she was shivering and clapping with her teeth. It's so much cheaper to just heat up to place than to have to try to Photoshop out every goosebump and correct bluish skin
This first photoshoot really set the tone for the rest of the series lol
The whole point of the shoot was enforce that the point that modeling isn’t supposed to be easy. Whether it was a little too harsh is another story
yeh, they just added scorpions later
Yea. It did. There was no budget so most of the shoots were bikini, lingerie or nude lol
@@marklisowski6549 modelling isn't easy but the people in charge of the shoot would need to provide heat lamps, care for the safety of their models, etc. There's a difference between 'hard' and 'being treated cruelly' 😂
@@marklisowski6549 There's leagues of difference between "hard" and "hazardous to your health and wellbeing."
"it's 8°, guys"
Oh damn, that's a bit cold to be standing out in the wind in a bikini, I wouldn't want to do that
"8° farenheit, -13°C"
OKAY that sounds more like a violation of human rights
In that temperature depending on how thin you are and how poorly dressed you are you can have hypothermia set in after 15 minutes definitely a violation
They’re out there almost naked basically!! This is horrible
If all of the models had said "No", they wouldn't have had an episode to shoot.
“Being a model isn’t just about a pretty face. A good model can bend physics. If they’re really devoted to getting a good shot, they’ll just heat their body using pure willpower and shut that frostbite down.”
These girls went unltrainstinct everytime they go to a shoot 😭
"but also a good model knows her limits and if you try to push through and not tell the directors you're sick then how can we trust you to work?" -an actual critique from the later seasons. They yell at them to push through despite how they're feeling and then yell at them when they push through.
And they'll retract their feet into a more appropriate model size 6 from an 11
If you don't have an MCU level of power, it's time to get the F out of modeling.
@@sedg83 Ah yes, the retracting feet. One of the many features of the “model” type humans.
It’s so interesting that Tyra said she wished Robins upper body was bigger to make her a true “plus size” model but with Toccara, who did have a larger chest and upper body, it was always talked about in a negative way
Tocarra is so gorgeous she should have won
Good bountiful breasts are the way this industry "allows" plus size... If you have more of you and that doesn't translate into more boob, there is no hope for you!
More evidence that Tyra has no real opinions and just wants to make people feel bad on a case by case basis
To be fair Tyra is always rooting on Toccara from day 1.
JAnice and the other judges that eventually outvoted Tyra and got Toccara eliminated.
@@sarahwithstars My thing is they had so much to say about the one they said had a heavy bottom...does that make sense when people are dying and I do mean some are dying to have butt fillers?
“Plus size model” WHERE?! 😂 This is why my entire generation had an eating disorder.
For real tho, she’s super skinny??? The hell 💀
Was this Top Model episode on Delusion Land? If they say she looks like a plus size model(despite looking healthy and slim), what am I? A whale?
She was a size 6 or something from what I remember. 😭😭 like wtfffff
Yas, yas, ENTIRE generation, like every. Single. Person. Like, everyone...
Right I hope things have changed. We all deserved so much better
If they didn’t want a “plus” size model to win… why did they let her on the show…??? Aaand she has like 10 lbs of body fat. She is NOT a plus size model.
I would say Robin thick but not plus size you know, it's 2000s sorry to say.
Then Ashley Graham a beautiful plus size model comes on the show in like season 20 lmao this is truly terrible
@@kathryng4821 she's so horrible to India. It's cycle 23.
Yes, she is a plus size model. Go to Paris & try telling them she’s not plus size they would laugh you out the door. It’s only in America people are so obese & think it doesn’t matter & we should want to see obese people in fashion shows… um, nope, nobody wants to see unhealthy people modeling, models work hard to stay in shape & fat people want to be models? Put in the damn work then.
@@sweetbabyem i love this comment!!11!1
Love that you thought this in your head and decided to take the time and type this out to share 💕
in fact, i hope your wildest wishes and hopes come true. Like, for example, if you wanted to become a programmer and so you “did the work” and got a degree and studied all you can- getting to the top of the ladder, and making it!
And I absolutely, positively, do not hope, that on the day of your promotion, when you’re moving into the big office, and you grab all your equipment and you’re walking across the floor; I truly don’t wish you slip on moldy carpet flooring, dropping all of your equipment and especially your hardware- shattering to pieces in a devastating, humiliating, and because you didn’t think to back up: losing all your data, would take centuries to recover, career ending move🎉🎉🎊🎊🥳🥳💕💕💞💖💗💓💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻
Tyra sarcastically “welcome to the beautiful glamorous world of modeling” while she’s standing there in a turtle neck and feather winter coat. Okay girl.
D E A D! You did not have to read her that bad 😭
Yeah, puffer jacket and a hat! Yeah, and she was still old. What a biotch!
The fact that Robin was considered "plus-sized" is insane. I have that they pick apart every body they see. Seems like nothing is good enough for them.
Robin was considered plus-sized but they judged Elyse also because she was "too thin". Yes you're right nothing is good enough for them...
absolutely, to me Robin is midsize at most... imagine being put through so much bodyshaming and bullying when they actually brought her there, poor her
@@lucierichard9417 that comment about Tyra wishing she was bigger on the top half because she's only "half plus-sized" was uncalled for. She has the body she was born with. Plus "slim thick" bodies were still a thing back then. Tyra had curves herself. She should've known better than to talk about some like that. Especially when they had similar figures and she cried when people talked about her figure. Then they talked about the still developing bodies because the girls were slim. Wth? I hope all the contestants are healthy and happy now.
@@CariDMM fr, they cant keep up with their own narrative
@@lucierichard9417 I stopped watching after a while. I didn't realize how harmful the show was. I watch this channel or Google their pictures so I don't have to watch the newer seasons. This was definitely a wild era.
Adrienne being judged for having big feet, like she can magically make them smaller
I remember they had chosen this short model as a contestant and then they kept telling her to "think tall." Like wtf
@@jessicacook992 maybe they said you have to be a tall in pic the same in cycle 13.
@@jessicacook992 They were obviously talking about angles and posture.
They're the right size for how tall she is, if her feet were tiny she'd be tipping over all the time
@@visualbeauty3427 although I love nicole, but in cycle 13 they did choose the tallest model as the winner.
"Why do it on a rooftop in NY in the middle of winter?"
The REAL reason is because Tyra is a classic case.of the abused turning into the abuser. She was treated like dirt to "earn" her way to the top, so she does the same to them. Worst of all, the look on her face tells us she enjoys it.
Totally!!! Always seems like some sort of sick revenge to me!!
Completely agree! This whole show seems like it was made to torture these poor models.
Basically getting back at the people who abused HER in the industry by projecting it onto new models..
This show had a lot of potential to change the industry rather than gas lighting the contestants.
That “26 is too old” stuck in my head all through my teens and 20s. I was terrified of hitting 26
Same 😳 I still think if I haven't accomplished anything by 26 I'm never gonna go far
@@lunix3259 I graduated from university at 25 and got my first job after graduation (since I also had jobs while studying) on my 26th birthday. I experienced a lot of setbacks in life that made it hard for me to accomplish things earlier. Sometimes I console myself by saying that even though I was held back by my circumstances, at least I gained strength through those experiences. Honestly, I still feel like I'm "late" for the stereotypical timeline of life (mostly because of my surroundings, seeing and hearing the people arround me), and I do get envious of other people I know who are "ahead"/"on time". But I believe (and I'm saying this to encourage myself and my fellow "late bloomers" out there) that even though we feel like it's "too late", there are still a lot of opportunities and things that we can conquer even after turning 26.
Same!!!
@@belovedtwiceteen I feel the same about people who are around me and my age who are accomplishing a lot more than me.
Same, in so many areas of my life. Even now 30+ years i hear how hard is for a woman get a job after 30, cause, we are not getting younger of prettier.
Janice once again proving she’s the worst judge in this ep
most if not all judges have been awful in some way towards the models imo but Janice was on another level
To drunk
Out of the judges I dislike her the most. She always had some of the rudest comments I’ve heard on the show. Shes so negative and nasty.
Unfortunately, Kimora was no angel. If you watch the next few episodes, Kimora had it out for Ebony.
Janice was a monster. She never should have been a judge when she has no filter. Maybe they wanted a Simon Cowell-type judge? But when you're talking about a teenage girl's body, we don't need Simon Cowell.
@@sabrinaschell4938 In interviews, Janice said that she was brought on the show’s equivalent of Simon Cowell. Although scattered on sources, Tyra even admitted Janice was hired to play/create a good cop (her), bad cop (Janice) situation. However, Janice went over the top to everyone’s liking while Tyra, outside of some support and coaching on the first couple of shoots this cycle, wasn’t exactly a good cop.
Tyra: See how my eye changes it??
Jessica: … no.
🤣🤣💀
One of my biggest issues with them age shaming Robin this whole season was the fact that they had an AGE REQUIREMENT! If they wanted only super young women, they should have made the cutoff like 23/24 or younger. They knew how old she was when she came on there so why keep bringing it up 😒???
exactly. This whole show was like a psychological warfare against young girls self esteem all over the globe.
They did that on purpose. They just loved mocking the girls for every reason they could come up with.
Same goes for the ‘plus’ model. If she was too ‘big’ to be a good candidate they should have turned her down or made her offer conditional on getting the ‘right’ size before the show
We went to college together and Robyn was the sweetest person I've met.
cause ratings
I bet if they had goosebumps that showed in the photo, the judges would probably blame them for that and say "as a model you need to know how to control your body"
Tyra: "Photoshoots are thousands of dollars, you can't make people wait for you"
Also Tyra: delays the photoshoot to give basic modeling advice
Wait how?
It’s so cold no one is paying attention
Delays by what? 30 seconds? I’m confused here? She didn’t delay anything I mean with that the photographer could have delayed the photo shoot by making any comment because he wasted 1 second?
@@linda33528 you dont know how shooting a tv show works. 1-2 minutes of screentime can take 30 minutes or more to shoot
@@_peepee_ she just made a statement and they moved on. It’s not like it was a part of the shoot and also did she delay the shoot for calling OUT THE GIRLS FOR BEING LATE because she also wasted 30 seconds on that. They are wasting the time and money for the photographers and editors who are legit on standby for them.
I remember this series and thinking Robin (the girl that’s 26) was soo old..that in my memory she was almost 40..crazy how things stick in our head differently..(and as a 30 year old I’m highly offended how they treat her as an ancient being)
I'm almost 40 and I don't feel ancient. Though frankly, Robin looks older than even I do probably. Still, I was watching this season on another channel and other shows, and the commenter there noted that people in that decade just look older for some reason. It could be the styling.
And Robin is gorgeous! I wonder what she is up to now.
@@TheAray6 On that channel there was also a where are they now segment and she's basically married and that's it. She had an article where two kids under her care, maybe in some sort of foster situation, ran away. Small kids too.
I remember feeling the same too... 🤦🏾♀️
@@IzzysTravelDiaries Luxeria? Adore her if so!
"For today's photoshoot, we are gonna actually be hacking off the model's limbs with rusty saws."
"A real model wouldn't be screaming and would push through the pain."
"Wow, she really looks horrible in all these photos. She's not ready for the modeling world."
Tyra: "It's all about the face"
Photgrapher: "A model has to be more than just a pretty face"
Well that's compliment & needs to learn competitive business.
No but it really is a fake background. During the shoot they all stood in the same place more-or-less and yet all the pictures backgrounds are totally different from each other AND from the skyline visible during the actual shoot. So like why even shoot on a roof in freezing temperatures
To be cruel.
I was thinking the same thing, that background skyline looks nothing like what we've seen during the shoot. Neither does the sky.
Good eye!
@@baka_yu9343 I think it’s the lighting they have used that made the photo appear like that very patinated
That's what I thought
Tyra: see how it just changes?
Jessica: no.
So simple yet so effective
😂🙊🙊 I giggled when she did that
As someone who just turned 26 and still is treated as if I’m too young to have any life experience in my family to hear them say 26/27 was too old is crazy!
when they criticized the age of the 27 year old i was laughing lol because germanys next topmodel right now has models 60+ in them.
And? Lmao.
@@corimoon3360 what and? I didn't say it's bad, I just wanted to inform about it
I feel like 26 would be a better time to get into modeling. An industry like this, even though it changed, can really damage one's self esteem and confidence. No one should be going through that, but it's even worse when it's done to some who is still developing.
Although things have improved and are flexible with age now, the impression, even now, is to prefer younger so they can develop someone instead of them coming developed, as screw up as that sounds.
@@marklisowski6549 there are some countries that want young girl. It’s Asian countries, for example.
This is not good, but this is life and modelling…
A big part of why they want the girls to start young is the impossible size restrictions. It is easier for a 16 year old girl to have a hip measurement under 90cm than a 26 year old woman.
Absolutely. At 26,36,46... The obsession with youth is ridiculous and pervy
Yes but people over 26 don’t really look at the commercials and believe everything they see. They are aware that clothes that looks amazing on 0 size model is just a rag with some famous name attached to it… modeling is definitely a stupid job to have and there is always just 2-3 famous models every 10 years that might have some fame but everyone else is just a nobody. Also today Instagram models get so much more money for promoting and it costs so much less to hire someone to take a pic with their phone. They want young people to promote stuff for young people. People over 30 don’t have time and don’t care for the products because we don’t trust anyone but our close friends and ourselves.
A BIKINI PHOTOSHOOT AT -13 DEGREES CELSIUS THAT COULD’VE BEEN SHOT FOR THE SUMMER. It’s basically that 5 hour Meeting that could’ve been a 5 line E-mail.
Bikini shoots are almost always in the winter.
@@Uhohohno319 but usually its INSIDE with a green screen
@@Uhohohno319 yeah but most either in warmer location or in studio photoshopped the background.
@@Uhohohno319 yeah in an exotic, warm location. Not above a trap house in NY.
@@amethysthill3359 the "trap house in NY" bit made me laugh
I am also a professional photographer & I agree with you on every point here. That photoshoot was garbage, there was nothing special about it! The background looked fake. They endangered the health of the models. Then blame the models if they didn't produce. Awful.
They could've easily done it in a studio.
I've heard during a shoot, the photographer's responsible for the model's well-being.
“Elizabeth has a lot to say with her very comfortable jacket.” 😂 I’m so glad that you went all the way back to react to the very first episode. I love your critiques with the photography in these and the rude comments that they made towards the models. Times have changed so much In the last almost 20 years.
They pulled an entire eating disorder storyline for Elyse that several of the other contestants got involved in, very uncomfortable to watch, especially for someone like me who's had issues with an ED himself in the past. Also kind of hypocritical to feign concern for her health in the same elimination where Robyn is labelled plus size. Granted, it was a different time, but still, big yikes.
Sidenote, Ebony was done dirty too throughout the season, Robyn had it in for her because she's a lesbian so production jumped on that to make her the stereotypical angry black woman.
I learned recently that Shannon wrote on her blog about her own struggles with an ED. She was actually hospitalized as a young teen because she passed out after restricting so much. She's doing much better now, but I can't imagine how it felt for her to hear those speculations for Elyse when she had struggled herself. It certainly wasn't a friendly environment to talk about what you're going through.
Apparently, according to Adrienne and Shannon, they didn't even bother to make sure the women had proper meals to eat! (it's why Adrienne was desperate enough to eat clearly undercooked chicken later) They DID NOT CARE about their health or safety and damn sure didn't care about an ED
Totally agree, and also, a side note: I don't think it was a different time back then in the sense that saying this stuff was okay. I was watching this as it came out, and I remember there being an episode of E! News (the drama and commentary channel in the era of cable TV) where a woman absolutely BLASTED Tyra for this specific episode. It was a big deal at the time, back in 2003.
This is a total theory of mine, but: I don't think there was much of a difference between now and then in terms of what was 'okay' and what wasn't. I kinda think that the only thing that's changed is our increased ability to talk to each other about messed up things, now that social media has connected us. Because now, regular people have more power than ever to express their complaints and have them seen/validated by millions of other people.
Maybe I'm romanticizing the internet too much, but I think the major difference between then and now is only that we couldn't connect with each other as much as before.
@@honestlynotsponsored you definitely have valid points. The internet and social media helps immensely with sharing how messed up the media was back then and still is now, unfortunately. Looking back on it now, we have hindsight being 20/20 and everything to know just how wrong it was/is. Just like certain jokes, terms, etc was “okay” then because our society had a different mindset. This was passable then because it was kinda the norm, just like the Kate Moss/Calista Flockhart/Lara Flynn Boyle era of the waif stick thin women, yet still expected have a chest….somehow
@@honestlynotsponsored I should highlight that I am from Germany so mentalities might have been different between the US and here, but at least in my immediate environment EDs were often treated as illnesses stemming from vanity. If you had them you were obsessed with beauty and weight rather than today's theory which assumes that people mostly develop them out of a need for control, and that there are also restrictive EDs that manifest as an obsession with healthy food rather than no food or purging and thus go unnoticed for a long time until the person visibly avoids food groups. The sensitivity around the issue isn't quite where it should be - some people who know I've had one still constantly talk about how they are too fat and need to reduce their food intake around me. I'm not just talking harmless holiday banter about having gained weight, but full on beach body obsession.
That first shoot was abuse, period. There was absolutely no reason for them to make the girls do that.
This is a TV show. It was productions responsibility to get those girls there on time. They never should’ve been put in a situation where they were allowed to oversleep and had to pay for their own cab.
When you converted the temperature to Celsius, I audibly gasped. This is appalling. Thank you for making these videos that humanize models and call out abusive practices in reality TV.
Edit: Oh, and the _cattiness_ later on? Critiquing a woman's feet as if foot size is something over which a woman has any control? And critiquing an incredibly toned model's thighs and suggesting she go on a diet? Like oh wow, what these 'judges' must think of the vast majority of us non-model humans. Shocking to see someone feeling like it was okay to say this stuff in front of a TV camera. (And oh man, the photographer saying he didn't like the girl in person but liked how she looked in photos.... what a spiritually ugly environment this was. Just yikes.) And oh. _Oh._ Robyn is a "plus-sized" model? What bubble of deception do these people live in? It's like they're auditioning for the role of evil villains in some Disney movie about an aspiring model.
Season 1 was brutal for the models. Janice was nasty, Adrienne had been groped during a go see and the models themselves were making each other crazy to a level rarely seen afterwards.
Remember when Adrienne dragged herself to an elimination after having been hospitalized with food poisoning? Absolutely insane.
That said, I think part of the Adrienne reason stayed over Kesse (though eliminating Kesse was a reality tv decision; watch the in-episode promo for the following episode) was the production cluing in the in the judges about the incident. However, they went about in an odd, indirect way, and that was criticizing Robyn for convincing a random guy to guide through the Paris go-sees.
@@Itri_Vega And they gave her praise for that!!! They said she'd be eliminated if she didn't participate when she was in horrible pain!
@@sabrinaschell4938 Back then they actually did some form of performance evaluation in judging, but they could have created an alternative test. Surely production could have obtained a note from a doctor
Adrienne was literally groped on the street and she was too upset to go to the other go-sees. Tyra’s reaction? Not sympathy at all, only pretty much telling her “it’s your responsibility nobody cares.”
According to Tyra...
Dead eye: 👁👄👁
Eyes with fire: 👁👄👁 👀
I saw a thing with Adrianne and Shannon where they talked about this shoot and Adrianne actually talked about how they would do exactly what the photographer(s) said to do only to have the judges blame the models if the photo came out bad.
Also, you have to wonder what sorts of questions production was asking those people. Editing can be misleading.
“I don’t have time to teach girls how to model” well maybe Tyra should have carved out for some for that since none of these girls knew how to model?? I don’t understand why they expected professional pictures from people they found in the mall
My biggest issue is, that they don't actually teach anything to the models about modeling. Like Tyra is a veteran model, big name in the industry, if somebody could have given good advices to the girls, that would have been her. But they don't theach them anything, just expect complet beginners to do good.
How that show is gonna be a "star" if they don't train u as well as a being supermodel, if they don't gave reputation in fashion industry in general.
Tyra is just repeating the cycle of abuse she went through but made it worse and profited from it. Being compared to Naomi all the time did not help but she also didn't have to keep the status quo....
Oh Janice is/was mad fatphobic. She basically bullied Toccara in season 3. I also vaguely remember this scene from her reality show, where her partner decided to include plus-size models in their agency and she didn't even want to be in the same room as them.
As evidenced by her extensive uncanny valley plastic surgery she has severe body dysmorphia
@@ValarienWings True. I'm pretty sure she started her career around the same time stick-thin models became the norm, so that must've caused a lot damage.
good for Janice
How awful. Not everyone is rail thin. I think it's good including women who are plus size, but also athletic builds & more
This whole judging
“You’re too thin get some fat on you”
“You’re too fat, slim down”
Like pick a message people!
“See how it changes with my eyes?”
“No.”
I’m dying 🤣
Wait, -13 degrees PLUS windy? The chilling effect of wind is extreme, this is legit dangerous.
Yes, terrible!!!
To crop the photos the way they did was just such a slap in the face to the models. It looked like a fake green screen photo. If the photos showed the models whole body, plus the top of the skyscraper so we could tell were they where, it would have looked amazing! Imo ANTM photo editing has always been questionable.
Sorry if this has already been said but why do I feel like Tyra “defending” the model for hooking her thumbs in her bikini and comparing it to her own picture was just an invitation for the other judges to compliment her by saying “well she’s no you, she has a long way to go to be you etc.” obviously that comment was pre planned because Tyra has the picture of herself ready to compare! The Comment was nice but given the context of the entire show I just don’t buy it!!
Maybe! But also the photo of Tyra was probably added in after the fact during editing to give context for viewers. It would have been easy to find it.
But the comparison photo was def added during post production
No wonder I have body dysmorphia. I used to idolize this show as a teen and think women like here WERE plus sized models thanks to that. So sad that there might be so many women ruined by this.
Jessica, I would love to see you reinterpret all the Top Model photo shoots as a series, without freezing the models, insulting them, giving them no feedback or unhelpful advice, etc. It would be cool to see these through your lens.
Love this idea as well!
that's such an interesting idea!
Yes! Even one such a shoot would be great.
I love this idea and she wouldn’t have to do more then like three models per shoot. I’ll donate to this Lol Jessica’s Top Model school
I would LOVE to see this!
When Jessica said “no” when Tyra asked “Do you see a difference?”😂
O Tyra, I'm dying of Hypothermia.
Tyra: SMIZE!
I’m glad this toxic mindset is FINALLY being called out for what it is.
Unacceptable.
Tyra likes to act like she helped these women when in reality she probably scarred the majority of them for life.
Nothing makes me want to get into a bikini more than 8-degree weather with high-rises in the background with 6-inch stilettos. Who decided on this concept? Get on a beach!
☀️🌝🌞🔥🔥🔥
Yeah it's a really weird choice, when advertising bikinis it feels like you would want people to actually want to wear them and a rooftop in the middle of a city isn't really were I'd want to wear a bikini 🤦♀️
Or, if it's swimwear go to a in-door pool ....I'm sure a cityas big New York has one of those...
You've never seen bikini models pose in the snow? It's the same thing. It's just a dumb tactic for shock value/marketing.
Or do it in the studio
Not that photographer's assistant being snooty on literally every girl while she's up there in a heavy warm coat, complaining about every girl not moving the way she wants them to then at the end flipping and said "they all did great for it being their first time modeling and with the cold weather". We all see past your little two-faced backtalk there.
Assistant? She's probably the art/creative director.
So weird that Tyra was actually the nicest judge here. The others were so brutal and completely inappropriate.
I find it ironic that they bashed Robin’s body back then but she’s literally the epitome of beauty in today’s time. Small waist and thick thighs. And she’s NATURALLY like that!! Robin was sculpted by an angel. I’m jealous.
I would die to right now to have her body
The ANTM rule should be that everyone one on the photoshoot set should have to dress how the models are dressed. Let's see the photograoher in his swimsuit and have to deal wirh that.
If that’s the worst episode you’ve seen so far, you haven’t seen the Paris episode of that season. It is literally crazy from hara**ement to kind of gr**ming situations… how did they get away with that?
I would also love to see Jessica talk about that UGLY underwear shoot they did with that other male model. Literally the worst looking photoshoot I've ever seen on the show and there was nothing the girls could've done to fix that mess lol
I commented that she needs to review the entire season, because it was brutal.
@@herefortheshrimp1469 and you couldn’t even really see the underwear/ product they were supposed to promote… just shows it was never about the underwear…
@@sabrinaschell4938 yeah I agree… there was so much wrong with that season. Also when they tried to push this whole “Elise has an eating disorder” drama for literally only one episode and then never addressed it again. This kind of behavior could actually trigger one… and let’s not even talk about how they starved the girls …
@@jessicaao400 you could really argue that the show isn't even about modeling.
Modeling is the "theme" of the reality show. Just another flavor of fake TV entertainment.
That is literally abuse. It is so common that in other situations abusers find an excuse ( many times for the victims "own good") to normalize violence, and the rooftop photoshoot is exactly that, they are torturing young women with freezing temperatures (which is known as an actual form of torture for mind breaking in interrogations).
And we just watched this kind of atrocities in the show week after week and help Tyra and all the team make millions. It´s disgusting. Thank you so much Jessica for bringing awareness into this.
This is cruel, “relax, don’t be cold” while he’s toasty in his jacket. They have no body fat to warm them. For Tyra to tell them “create a character” she gave two faces with her “smizing” but they looked the same. Zoolander was better with Blue Steel 😂
The whole "pictures are shot just a season ahead" is bs, there is no problem to shoot 1-2 years before the line drops, and if they want an urban backdrop, they could have done this in the summer. Or just do it in a budget studio, since the final images sure look like it.
And for the backdrop they got in the shot, honestly they really could've just shot in a studio with a greenscreen behind them and then edited the city in. It wasn't really necessary at all
Im glad I understand this kind of stuff as an adult. This show is really just an hour of watching pretty people trying their best to get through being tortured
@@herefortheshrimp1469 it is pretty obvious by now that ANTM is all about wretched entertainment and not educational by any mean
Back when I did art modeling, I did a _very_ brief shoot in the snow in fancy lingerie. There's like, a *total* of 6 pictures because it was cold af LOL
Edit: Oh lord...we're into an episode with _Janice_ 🙄 I never liked Janice as a judge. There's a difference between criticism & being a bully/mean. Janice was *often* just effing mean. I will never forget that when Adrienne won & she was thanking the judges, Janice legitimately looked her dead in the eyes & told her "don't thank me, I didn't pick _you_ "
Like, as a consumer of art and advertising I don't want to see models in clearly uncomfortable situations like that! Even if they don't look uncomfy, I get caught up in hoping they're okay and that it's fake snow or something. Anyway, glad you weren't freezing for more than six frames!
@@yesterdaydream the upside of not doing fashion modeling - pretty much all the shoots I did were purely for fun. It was my dumb idea to go out in the snow like that LOL
Janice is bitter and jealous. That's why she does her best to tear down anyone else's confidence.
Janice chose Shannon? Jesus.
@@moyo6606 she's always drunks 🤢🤣
I love that you always mention people would point out it being bad photography, not a bad model. There was one episode in cycle 5 I think it was the paparazzi challenge shoot they had. Nigel said the picture was bad photography and Tyra cuts him off and says ‘no one looks at it and thinks bad photography, they think the model isn’t bringing it.’
I have to agree with you, I always am judging the photography, not the model in the photo
I'm from South Africa, where I'm located the winters get about - 1 / - 2, I lost it when you said - 13!!!
When you said the temperature was 8 I thought you meant celcius, but 8F? Aren't there laws against that? -13C is a painful experience in full winter gear! I live in Canada, and when it's anything under -10 I try not to leave my house! I can't believe how bad this show was back then, smdh
I live in Sweden so I relate to that. I could never go through a photoshoot like that :/. Feeling sorry for the girls.
Same here!
It was 8 by wind chill, not actual temp.
@@jeancranston304 that is still way too cold! Let's put it this way, if these models were cats or dogs and these same demands were made on them, we would all be screaming animal abuse! Simply because these women are "choosing" to be there, doesn't change the fact that this is wrong. How the photographers and other people there had no problems being bundled up then demanding the models to strip down to almost nothing really baffles me. I would feel like such a terrible hypocrite if I was standing there in my thick coat and thick socks and shoes while other people are shivering. It's like eating a gourmet meal in front of a homeless person.
-13 here in Canada is very cold. Even clothed you’ll still be freezing
I always find it so astonishing how different the top model shows are in America and Germany. In Germany we have Heidi Klum, who is incredibly sweet and open, supports and helps every model, and tries to get the best out of everyone. In America, I have the impression that Tyra and the show try to embarrass and put down the models as often as possible. Be it with rude comments from the judges, or by situations in which the models are overwhelmed and fail.
I'm also just gonna that in America, we also like Heidi Klum more lmao
I think, at the time, we in the USA leaned more towards Mean TV. Look at what American Idol was like. The auditions were all about making fun of people. Simon Cowell was the one people loved to hate. And look how popular American Idol became.
The german version wasn't without it's own problems, but it was nowhere near this level (unless my memory of the things I have seen were distorted with time). I would love to see Jessica react to some of the shoots they did there, I feel like overall, they were crazy too, but more interesting.
And she does the shoots herself too. At least she did, when I last watched the show.
Only on the camera. But how many girls needed to take legal actions because they are pressured to sign contract with Gunter Klum's model agency, who is Heidi's dad. But this agency is BS. Or now Heidi changing her years long agenda about the perfect model because her daughter have not the height. And many other toxic things.
I remember distinctly watching this episode when I was 12 and it being a huge turning point in the way that I viewed and treated my own body. The day this episode aired was the day I started to really struggle because my thighs and “booty” were much like Ebony’s. It makes me so sad knowing that I wasted over a decade of my life trying to shrink the size of my body after I started watching this show. I can only imagine the amount of lives affected by it. I have a 4 year old daughter now, and I will always do everything in my power to make sure she knows that her body is the least interesting thing about her.
Well done for protecting your daughter! I am appalled that this revolting show even aired, let alone influenced (and hurt) so many young people. Revolting judges, revolting industry! Shameful and disgusting
Shows like this were a big part of why my eating disorder developed when I was younger. I've always been fat, and never saw anyone considered "beautiful" who were around my size. All the models, the "beautiful" women, were always skinny, and to me, that meant being fat was automatically ugly. It was so damaging and hurtful. I still carry that hurt now, so many years later, even as I try to learn and let it go. I feel for all the other kids who grew up with this, grew up with the idea that only skinny was beautiful.
Me too…. I watched this show as a young preteen girl and at the age of 28 still struggle with an eating disorder and body dysmorphia. It sticks with you.
Can someone explain to me how Robin is plus size!? Like WHERE?
Apparently her thighs and butt were a bit bigger than the other girls. 🤷🏾♀️ But that's about it. I don't know why that makes SUCH a big difference either.
@@MsReveur Hindsight 101 OH GOSH AF
back then if you wernt a size 0-2 you were plus size i saw someone mention robin being a size 6 so that would by technicality be a lot larger than all the other girls i never understood it
@@jessicabohl933 she doesn’t look any bigger than the other girls though. It’s crazy to me.
@Felicity Nicole in all reality there really isnt much difference between a 0 and a 6 but to them there was and i agree it is insane ive always worn a size 10 and i was so scared of that growing up because of shows like this
Janice was the most toxic and mean judge. She was a classic mean girl bully. Always jealous of the girls natural beauty.
I’ve been struggling with Covid these last two weeks, so I really appreciate your videos! These little trips down memory lane with ANTM have kept me entertained! I love your videos! ✨💕
Everyone's talking about how Robin isn't a plus-size model at all -- which is true, she's so beautiful -- but for me it was Tessa casually going "I got a little bit more meat to me" when she's literally one of the skinniest people I've ever seen. Like ma'am if you think you're on the bigger side then wtf am I. 😭 I was born in the early 2000s, so seeing that this is what women were subjected to is wild to me.
It's crazy how at 6:40 she confessed she had "a little more meat" in her, then it cuts to her body and I'm like... that's "meat"-y to you???
She has a great body and not "meat"-y at all.
The pressure put on by society is just so dang toxic. Like, she's clearly fine the way she is with a great body. I mean...
It's sad how this was an actual thing back in the day (still is today actually) calling girls with close-to-normal body types as "meaty" and bodyshaming models (Hi, Ashley Graham. Yes, you. I'm talking about you ironically bodyshaming other models. Scared to be dethroned from being the "plus-sized supermodel"? Methinks so.) 🙄
Whoa, especially India from cycle 23 winner, i'm so insulted & dissapointed... i'm not surprise in general fashion industry is competetive & unhealthy standard until now, if you're model good luck on your 1st job, not all models are healthy but sometimes healthy thick toned curvacious supermodels like Gisele Bündchen, Adriana Lima, Doutzen Kroes, Eniko Mihalik, Joan Small, Maryna Linchuk is pretty healthy at least you're not rescrticting the food and your enjoying the food. But clients were insulted until now not surprise.
@@visualbeauty3427 I wouldn't call those ladies thick..... toned, yes.... healthy, yes...... but thick?? no-no.... (I am not so sure about curvacious either). SALMA HAYEK is curvacious (and WAS even in her twenties).
@@mariahetszaz8567 Naomi Campbell is also toned body curves bec. of standardism 90s back then idk maybe i'm wrong, but i respect your opinion too.
@@visualbeauty3427 Just so you know, you are a cool person. :) Respectful in youtube comments. Bless you! :)
@@mariahetszaz8567 thanks, but you know fashion is changing & evolving i mean we don't what trends these days, 2000s were unexpect imo.
Robin looks like a size 6 at most… and that was considered plus sized??? wilddd
Her photo was gorgeous and deserved more
Google confirmed she was a six
When ANTM began airing I was a 21 year old flight attendant in my first year of flying, I’ll never forget one of my good friends told me about this show (Cycle 2 was airing when she told me) and I had been hooked ever since, recording episodes on my VCR to watch when I got home LOL. Never missed an episode. What’s incredible to me now as a 40 year old looking back is how bad this show overall is aging. We used to be so excited to see Tyra, Miss Jay, Mr Jay, loved calling Janice a b!tch haha….but my god, it’s crazy how problematic everything really was! I’m enjoying watching your take on some of the classic episodes I’ll never forget!
I’m really glad that as a professional photographer you are saying these things. I always thought these scenarios and judges were harsh and abusive, but I thought those things were part of that industry 😖 I always felt sad for them.
This is the only season I've actually watched. Tyra was definitely a lot more helpful and the judging was more arguing than anyone actually agreeing. The first season was a lot different than the rest
True, though it had some questionable moments like the dinner with those greasy men that felt more like escort training than a business meeting, and the dude groping Adrienne in Paris with the camera person just filming the whole thing.
I've heard Tyra and Janice weren't getting along at all during the filming. Interesting to see how that translates to what we see in the finished project.
The first two cycle were more of documentary style with how they trying to present it. Cycle 3 was where it shifted to more of a reality tv presentation.
I remember Tyra saying in Caridee's season (the photoshoot where Caridee went into hypothermic shock) that apparently models do this kinda stuff all the time. Glad to know that it's not REALLY like this!
Cycle 7, i was gonna say that!
What do they think justifies treating people this way. I don't think they understand how terribly wrong this is. I'm sorry that you tolerated this type of treatment for fame and riches, because honestly this should be unacceptable to any human being for work. So bogus.
The only redeeming critique from the photographer, albeit delivered in the wrong was, was about Shannon and her tanning. It is much easier to make a model look tan for a shoot than the reverse, not to mention the damage to her skin, the increased difficulty for the makeup artist to work with skin that can be peeling and flaking.
This show made me think that pain and bad treatment would be normal when you were a model.
I understand plus size has evolved recently, though I still can’t help but think that if any of these women are classified ‘plus-size’, then I must be a whale!
Right? Like this was such a toxic show that enforced the "skinny" narrative as the only type of beautiful
I absolutely hate the early seasons because they focus sooo much on weight and literally they all look good. These early seasons are just evidence of why the girls who grew up in the early 2000s have body issues. Like all their bodies are gorgeous and they’re like “she needs to lose weight” and then “she’s too thin, no meat on her bones”
I’m literally watching this season this week haha Adrienne and Shannon are still really great friends! I love and respect both of them they are wonderful girls
I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE YOUR REACTION VIDEOS!! (i will go back in my history and like each video I already watched over the weekend) You have an amazing way to grabbing and keeping the audience attention and you seem so down to earth! I love when you pause the video and just go off on Ms Jay and Tyra! lol! you made me look at the series in a whole new light, especially since you're a photographer. It never dawned on me it wasn't just model's responsibility--it was EVERYONE on the set responsibility to ensure the photo comes out great. ANTM came out when I was in the 9th grade, I haven't watched it since maybe season 8/9 and it's so crazy how "normal" the red flags seemed back then! and I LOVE WHEN YOU CALL/ EXPOSE EACH ONE. Keep doing your thing, sis!💜
"My nickname is aircraft carrier" lmao
Yeah cycle 1 of this show is really something else. It feels really unsafe in a lot of parts. And the photoshoots are by and large trash tbh. The snake one is good and the diamonds one is descent but overall, not a great cycle for photography. I think the lingerie one in paris is the worst, that could be fun to look at.
I agree, I've been suggesting it too because the photos are so incredibly awful!
I just mentioned that shoot in another comment lol. I still can't believe that was something done with a budget for a real brand!!!!!! France should sue lol
@@herefortheshrimp1469 Tell me about it! I'm from Paris and I'm in shock that they dragged our poor Eiffel tower into this mess AND managed to make it looked photoshopped into the pics...
The snake shot Is the ONLY one that was good, and even then it was a couple of photos
I LOVE how you brought up the fact that they refuse to address the model directly regarding their criticisms/corrections while also subtly insulting her in her face. That's exactly how gaslighting works.
The perpetrators purposefully dis-clude their victim in their conversation, while insulting/accusing them.
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THEN if the victim attempts to call them out on it by directly attempting to make communication with them... they are denied, scoffed at, mocked, accused of being "paranoid" or "too sensitive" and then continued to be ignored.
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This makes the perpetrators appear to be "too above" their victim to communicate directly with them while completely manipulating and twisting the narrative to seem as though the victim was "too troublesome" or "not worth it" in the first place...
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(The overall goal of this type of behavior is to get others to isolate and shun this victim from positive and healthy communications -- which then they attempt to make the victim feel as though they are somehow "inferior" as a person, and making them be "all alone" so that they eventually become depressed, socially isolated and self-destructive.)
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Thankfully I majored in psychological studies in college- narcissism and other destructive personality types were most definitely includes in this!
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Soooooooo ....
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These are all Tendencies of Die-hard TRUE and REAL malignant narcissists !
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BTW: this post is directly in reference to Jessica's statement when she says: "Do you guys see the issue here? They're not actually communicating with the models. They're kind of just snickering in the background ..."
Maybe say all that stuff TO HER!
"PROBLEM SOLVED."
Video: 12:03-12:35
They literally did the shoot and had edited photos ready for judging in what? 1-5 days? This could have waited for warmer weather. Also completely agree that the background looks like a green screen anyways 🤷♀️
they didn't even have to bring them to a warmer place, they could have just done it INSIDE with a background
There was definitely a concept back then of just having that "it" factor. People were supposed to be naturally good/fitting for the thing they were trying to achieve and then hone their skills from there. You rarely thought it was really ok to start from 0 talent/skills. And we were all conditioned to be so competitive, we really leaned into that. If you were at least a little bit naturally good at the thing you were trying to do people would just call you out and say you weren't fit for it.
I was just thinking about that! Like we were supposed to instinctively know how to do something out of nowhere, without any guide or indications. I'm glad more people know about social determinism nowadays. The people who were "naturally gifted ", actually learned from their environment for most part. If you criticise a little girl about her look she most likely will be stiff and shy during a photoshoot when grows up VS when you constantly praise someone, this person will grow up having confidence.
Omg I love that you are exploring the first season ! Trust me, there are so many moments with the first 3 seasons for you to react to. 💖💖💖
I absolutely love your content, your talent, and your ability to be so relatable on camera while also being able to teach newcomers in photography. I've learned so much through your channel.
to begin with this shouldn’t have been shot outside when the temperature is so low it can literally seriously hurt them
but they could’ve atleast surrounded them with heaters
i would love to see tyra do this
"Fun" thing they did in Cycle 1 was send a personal trainer in to give all the girls a public weigh-in and BMI or something like that. Like it could have been a decent moment, teaching them about exercise that will help them model (increased flexibility and core strength for dynamic poses, perhaps) but nope, it was just another opportunity to humiliate them on television. iirc, it didn't even go anywhere because it's not like they had regular fitness checks with this trainer guy.
They did see him regularly
@@justine4652 Did they? I genuinely don't remember, it's been years since I actually saw s1. Only remember the first "weigh in" because of another youtuber (lucretia? I think that's her name?) reacting to s1e1. Either way, it wasn't (to my memory) treated as a "fitness can help with modeling" so much as "let's publicly humiliate these young adults about their bodies".
@@PhoenyxV Luxeria! She reacted to the whole cycle and I remember him returning
John, the fitness instructor, was featured inat least 3 episodes, prior to going to Paris. One was the weigh-in (something they did for they next couple of cycle); one involved had drama with Robyn while praising Adrienne; one commending Adrienne and praising Elyse (the episode that highlight Elyse alleged eating disorder)
After more thought, I think the real reason why they had John and the fitness segments was to better assess if one of the girls did have an eating disorder. If this sounds, you can spot that ANTM has very odd, roundabout way to showcase a few things, from time to time.
I saw something similar on a different modeling competition show. They brought a doctor in to give all the contestants physicals and they were told they were at a healthy weight by the doctor but the judges were always telling them that they weren't thin enough to be models thereby basically saying that being a model is not healthy.
Jess: aren’t they going to have goosebumps in the pictures?
ANTM: Worth it for the drama - we’ll fix it in post
Can I just say, thank you to the algorithm for bringing me your channel. I've been binging you for the last 3 days. I didn't know how much I needed someone to say out loud how I felt about this show. I know this is stupid but it's healing in away to know I haven't been crazy all these years thinking this was a dumpster fire of a show. There's just this mean spirited undercurrent to the whole show that I could never get anyone else to see...and you do it in such an entertaining way...you're doing the lords work honey...drag them!
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LMAO that's literally me when Tyra gives the girls a model advice with her body
I was 20 when this came out.
This show was focused less on the modeling and more on the drama. I remember thinking it was BS when they were saying 'it's about social change,' but as a 4'10 petite woman, I was immediately shunned.
My friends loved the show, I loved to make fun of it. Not the models, but everything you're calling out (ridiculous statements, drama, Tyra being the center).
Even Tyra Banks, HERSELF, said it was freezing & she was wearing a poppy jacket, sweater, & a hat