It is hardly my intention to throw cold water on the family aspect of thru-hiking, but on the PCT this year, as a much older hiker (81), I was, with a couple of very delightful exceptions, virtually ignored by the others, most of which were much younger than me. As a point of fact, I finally made up my own trail name, as it seemed that that was the only way I was going to have one. It doesn't, sadly, particularly surprise me, but it would have been nice if there was a bit more of the 'all folks are the same, hikers one'. Larry Robinson
This is something that I'm apprehensive about as a potentially "older" hiker approaching my 50's, and a bit of an introvert. Most of the folks in your videos seem to get close, but to those within a similar age. Yeah that's natural I think...just curious if you saw older folks brought into the same tramily's and group fun?
@@zudora1978 I'm not much of a social butterfly either, but it would have been nice to be more of 'just a hiker' than the distance I felt. Keep in mind that you are 30+ years younger than I am, so there won't be quite the age separation.
Noticed this as well when I interacted with PCT through hikers as a day hiker and I’m between you and the other commenter age wise. Ageism is very real in society and on the trail. But they did rely on me for directions at a trail intersection that was not well marked so there’s that….
I was 56 on the CDT last year and was pleasantly surprised on how accepting the ‘youngsters’ were of me. My trail name came from a young group as well. Though two of my closest friends from the trail are from my age group, one other close friend is much younger, and I had great relationships with others as well. I am not an outgoing person either. It was a great experience for me.
I’m 45 and just fell into these thru hike videos this weekend. Binged horizontally in bed. Makes me really want to hike the AT, as I’m on the EC but I just don’t see it happening. My husband’s body is deteriorating pretty steadily, bad knees and ankles, etc. I wouldn’t want to experience it without him but maybe one day we’ll get out and do a small clip of it. Keep on hikin’ on!
Do AT shelters all have hot tubs and beers available or are those amenities only available at the fancier bougie locations like pictured in the thumbnail?
As a section hiker I would never kick someone out of a shelter. Rules be damned ill sleep in my tent. (All the micromanagement of who can or cannot sleep in shelters or tents is absolutely ridiculous anywa), like....in the example given either way someone is in a tent. Who is going to know? Let me know if I'm missing g something.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention about do not put up tents in shelters. That is about the worse thing I've seen and heard about. So inconsiderate.
I’m a nobody in this world, but I still want to share my two cents: I’ve seen a number of Dixie’s videos, and I have to commend her on being so thoughtful, gracious, caring and lovely with her efforts to educate others in her passion of thru-hiking. I’m not into this stuff, but if I was - what a godsend she is.
I’m planning to thruhike the at in spring 2024. Nobo. I started watching Dixie when she first did the AT and now I’m in a position to do it. Thanks Dixie for the years of inspiration.
I love your content, and get so much out of it. This is the first thing I have ever disagreed with you on. I would never get upset that a baby was crying on an airplane. It is my responsibility to have noise canceling headphones if that sort of thing bothers me. I think the same applies here with people who snore and people who are light sleepers. If snoring tends to keep you up at night, it is on you to either wear ear plugs or sleep in your tent. I only think that's true for bodily functions outside your control, not for inconsiderate choices like blasting music down the trail. I'm not saying they couldn't choose to sleep in their tent, but in this instance I don't think it's bad etiquette, or that it should be expected they sleep in their tent.
Hey Dixie. Just FYI I've section hiked in the smokys the last few years and they even allow section hikers to tent around shelters now according to the info on the website each time I bought my permits. Love the videos.
That's great! To me, camping in a tent or hammock is part of the fun and being forced to stay in the shelter (and boot out some poor frozen through-hiker who was there first) would defeat the purpose.
I was ahead of the bubble in the smokies. I only ran into few thru hikers at intersections and everyone was very friendly. I hope they all made it. The few people I talked to were stoked that I had a few days to hike and were nothing but nice.
As far as snoring goes, my view is just the opposite. If you are sensitive to others snoring, then maybe you should consider sheltering alone. Otherwise a good set of earplugs are the way to go. This viewpoint is informed from my extensive hosteling experience. Snoring is not an intentional act, it is just a fact of life for a huge proportion of people. Telling those people they should go elsewhere is wrong, in my opinion.
My wife and I do the trail magic several times a year near Franklin, we are wondering what food and snacks including drinks do the thru hikers really want? We usually try giving both healthy and junk food, how about homemade stuff? We want to focus our time and resources on what you guys really crave.
Honestly any type of food or cold drinks. But cold cut sandwiches and fresh veggies are some of my most memorable trail magic. Always thought it would be cool if someone did a breakfast drink bar.... iced coffee, smoothies, juice etc
Probably fresh produce and fruit. It's not feasible to carry it on the trail, so cold melons in the summer or hot cocoa with milk in the winter would be awesome and much appreciated. Even a canopy or similar thing that can be stood under is nice when it's sunny/rainy.
I just did my first thru hike and earned a trail name! (Double Check, because I was constantly double checking all my gear. Almost to a point of annoyance) I met so many amazing people and can't wait to go back!! (We hiked The Long Trail)
The whole not eating in shelters thing is absurd on the AT--the picnic table is 5 feet from the shelter LOL! So obviously the area around the shelter REEKS of cooked food all the time LOL. One more reason to tent camp as far from the shelter as possible LOL!
Funny..as 65 year old sobo I felt the younger hikers were great. Loved learning from those with special expertise in their careers or hobbies. I didn't feel any ageism but like joggers people spend more time with those running or hiking at same pace!...later I looked up some I met on their.blogs. their comments were respectful..but a little more " met a nice white haired man...an enthusiastic gentleman vs what I expected them to write like.." met a super fit old man....
And today's keyword for Dixie's video is: POLITE, it blows my mind how someone can not know general manners. You can get a lot more accomplished with being kind and polite than with stern commands.
Im curious, has anyone ever stolen anything from you or taken your food when you had it hung up from bears. i think my greatest fear is someone doing that to me.
The sense of hiker entitlement in these shelters and bunk rooms is ridiculous. Telling people they NEED to sleep somewhere else is the most stuck up sh!t. You're sleeping in a communal place, get over it. Follow the golden rule and be respectful and there will be no issues.
Back in 2014 I was on a fishing trip camping alongside the Susquehanna river in PA and ran into 2 guys from Germany who were hiking the entire Appalachian Trail. Those guys were having the time of their lives. We sat around the campfire at our site and we had some beers and cooked them fresh fish.. I’ll never forget that. Their trail names were “Smokes” and “Smiling Virgin”
I'm 50. I've never hiked the AT. I hiked in NC with friends all the time in the past. Once my kid was old enough I got him into scouts. We hike in three states. I've been to Philmont a few times Philmont teaches the same principle of trail hiking as you do. If you can find a boy scout troop that goes on high adventure trips sign up your kids. It gives them extensive knowledge of hiking as a group. Buy them decent gear at about 14. Hiking with your kid is cool.
I think you are fantastic. It is because of you that I now have this desire to hike the AT. Still in the pontificating stage, but I love it none the less. Thank you for all you do. ❤️
Wow, I need to block out a day to watch all your current posts. Even tho I have no plans to hike the AT. But you always have great info and produce great content
Wow. I have not seen that name (last name anyway, idk his first) since Bulldog OCS Quantico VA 1993. Well actually I also saw it on the IOC plaque a few years later when I went through. My actual initials are VT, part of the alphabetical tail end as things tended to operate there at OCS. Semper Fi
@@airic499 That's a real Dutch name anyway if I'm not mistaken. I sorta got one on my maternal side. I inherited the Dutch Uncle genes if there is such a thing 😜
I snore sometimes when im really tired though, so after a long day of hiking I wouldnt know if i would snore or not. So would it be best for me to just set a tent up no matter what? Dont snore normally but dont want to have someone cussing me out just for something you cant control. Figured its a good question.
I feel sad Dixie that you have to explain all this. As COMMON sense to me!! is not so COMMON for others . YOU are so kind and I appreciate the efforts you use in your forum to spread the COMMON SENSE to others. Thank you. I hope to start my AT journey next year and you will find nothing but pleasantries from me, spread the love..
Trail Magic. I'll never forget the Chick-Fil-A sammiches some old fellow gave us after getting to Neels Gap. Just 6 or 7 days in and holy smokes, that food was so good. I think it was then that I decided I'd never eat another Mountain House meal unless I was dying.
Hi, I have just found your site, fantastic. I have walked most my life, great job. You should come down and tramp (that's what we call it in New Zealand) the Te Araroa Trail, the length of New Zealand. Anyway, thanks.
Also remember tents are privacy bubbles, please announce when you are approaching someone’s campsites. If you come right up and tap or shake someones tent it’s going to end up badly.
Toying with a thru hike in March 2023. The crowds are the one thing that is giving me pause.. my kumbaya days have long passed and I spend most of my time doing wildlife photography. I hiked from Central Florida to Santa Monica Beach between July 2018 and January 2020. I managed to do it completely alone aside from traffic. Looking at blogs from thru hikers over the last few years it just seems crowded, loud and seems like it would be hard to enjoy wildlife on the AT. Still haven't made up my mind but that seems like the biggest con as opposed to pros.
The only thing I would be worried about in shelters sleeping with complete strangers is people who would hurt others. As a woman, I would be very apprehensive.
Ok, gotta ask about your hair. How do you do the so clean multi-colored braids? The colors are so segregated in the braid. Fire dancing is an ancient pagan rite for celebration. So do it of you can.
I have a question and since I’ve never hiked any of these trails, I’m asking out of curiosity not trying to be inflammatory. I just want to learn. When Dixie was talking about the section hikers not being allowed to sleep in a tent near the shelter, so if you (a through hiker) are already sleeping, you may have to get up and go pitch tent in the rain, I was wondering something. I am all for rules. They’re there for a reason. They’re often made to reduce confusion. Here’s the question though, do ppl come by and check? And if the section hikers are in a tent, they get a fine?
Greetings from Damascus, VA!!! I am fairly new to your channel but I have enjoyed catching up. I am by no means an out door girl, but I am always watching the videos through the eyes of other hikers. I have lived in this town for 40 years and the beauty of a small town should always be appreciated. Praying that God keeps you safe and always on the move doing what you love.
I love how you are boiling this back down to basics for the potential news folks, as well as others who have hiked elsewhere, but want to get more structured lay of the land "basics" (and, not so much)... Etiquette goes a long way to not just enjoying others, but keeping the experience a big plus for everyone, as much as possible.
@9mil. Will speak for the entire hiking community by saying "Thank You," as someone who goes by the handle "9mil," for doing all your hiking in the dead of winter when no one else is around.
You are a beautiful person Dixie girl! It makes me a little sad that you had to express some of these thoughts out loud. Your presentation is fantastic, as per usual. 👌👍👉🤙
I've never been so ashamed of my snoring. I always provide earplugs for my hiking companions and still have to set my tent up far away. Can't share a hotel room with anyone. And I've been woken up for "napping too loud". Hikers should carry ear plugs if they're going to camp near other people. Snorers are people too!
I challenge anyone to walk by an AT shelter at 3 AM and not have 80% of the hikers snoring. Yes, even the women. I get it. It’s frustrating when someone falls asleep five minutes after hiker midnight and snores like a banshee. Might even have sleep apnea. Carry earplugs and don’t be a hater. Thank God for sleeping bags, otherwise Dixie might have been kicking the farters out of the shelters too. Love ya Dixie, but I think you went a little too far with ostracizing the snorers.
The rules for section hikers in the Smokies are ridiculous. If the shelter is full, they should be required to sleep outside. Typical bureaucratic, non thinking things through nonsense. BTW Love your videos and the service you provide!!!
I've been backpacking, bike touring, canoe and kayak touring as well as a little X country ski touring since the late 60"s. No matter what way I'm traveling I avoid traveling parties. Whether it is on a river, a point-to-point trail or a cross State or coast to coast bike tour. Never got into traveling with 1,000 of my closest and most intimate friends who don't go by their real name. The last thing I want out of trip is waiting in line to poop. Traveling in a small group of 6 to 8 likeminded friends or with three generation of my family is much more enjoyable. No drunks or crazies. We can set up camp and enjoy an evening around the campfire or a candle lantern by ourselves. There is a big difference between those out to prove some kind of point and are detached from the reality of the natural world. and those concerned about a world full of biodiversity. Then there are the nomads, those on a sustainable journey. They are not bragging about their newest lightest gear. New is more important to them than appropriate technology. The nomads on their journey don't look for a trashcan to dispose of all their plastic and paper warpers their food came in, because they don't create trash. In their travels they have learned how to live within the sustainable circle of life. The nomad lives the same on the road and at home. They eat the same food, wear the same clothing, they don't segment their lives into two non-compatible compartments. The nomad is on a journey to infinity and back or a walk through the Milky Way.. Living deep in the wonders of the natural world. They are more likely to be carrying a butt kicking powerhouse stove designed in 1899 that is the same size and weight as the newest great idea, or a tent design 10,,000 years ago that you don't have to crawl on your hands and knees to get in and out of. They use their most important tool, their brain to explore and investigate the wonders above and under their feet. Nomads don't count grams or Kelo's, they take what they need, and they know how to use it in three or four different ways. Life is good and they embrace good.
Thank you for your creativity and kindness to share with us this video. It is very soothing and relaxing to watch this and get an uplifting feeling that everything we experience shall pass, and even the bad time will become the past of time. As someone who has been struggling with work and I don't enjoy doing any more and accumulating stress, I come to your channel and feel moved. I feel inspired to make something out of my life and change the circumstances. Thank you and wishing you the best on your journey :)
I had that very same thing happen to me except kind of in reverse I had a bunk reserved and when I got there there was this gorgeous whoa I mean gorgeous girl in my bunk so I know I wasn't supposed to sleep outside but I did. I guess I'm just a nice guy like that besides those bunks with the wires in them most of the time was not comfortable and the little pad I had never helped anyway. so I set up my hammock and my little system to keep me dry. I did however cook inside at the fireplace and she did keep an eye on my pack while I left it inside the shelter. it was kind of crazy though later on that night I heard something and lifted my tarp up and low and behold Here Comes baby bear then Here Comes Mama Bear then Here Comes two more babies but they left me alone and only walked right by. they went on over to the shelter where the smell of food was and I was lucky that way because there was no smell of food with me. anyway it sure was cool to see that Mama and three babies go by. I didn't know whether to tell this story or not but I thought it was pretty cool about the Bears.🐻🤪😇
I have heard that they are not naturally nocturnal. Anymore idk what to believe sometimes, but if so then it's kinda sad bc that means those baby bears are learning wrong from the git-go. I suppose that would make them semi-feral if they are getting their feed from human sources. None of that your fault, so don't get me wrong, just wondering how to reverse such things. Maybe it's kinda impossible where towns and human habitation is encroaching on the ever thinning free range wilderness.
idk about the AT specifically, but everyone is welcome on the PCTs although there are certain rich tourist types who like the idea that it should be exclusive to big spenders. I think their kind have lost ground in recent years btw. What you generally don't see is many ppl who are vastly more suited for warm and hot climates than for high mountain cold and snow. I strongly suspect that is why you see so many with Scandinavian/North European genetics regardless of their actual nationality. There are a few exceptions where rugged adventurism is a strong part of the culture, but this is also true for individuals who break away from their own upbringing (like yours truely). I really don't think there is any unwelcome for anyone based on pigmentation (you should see what the sun does to some hikers, haha - funny but sometimes not so much), but there is one thing I have faced a bit. I'm one of those genetically suited for higher temperatures. I did the San Jacinto ascent SoBo in July which the guidebooks for the rich tourists call a no go (too hot - but not for me). The typical hiker thinks it would kill them, idk, maybe. But I digress Anyway what I face is criticism against the extra warming layers, clothing that I absolutely need for the higher elevations almost year round. 55°F is not too hot for me to use a sleep system survival rated at minus 10°F, but since sub-freezing is way common (even less with wind chill) I actually need much more. It's not easy for everyone to brush off the criticism from some who call these essentials, "luxury items" but no old school Boyscout would be like that However I think this too is diminishing. Some of the rich tourist types do grow up and mature a little bit over time, not that anyone should pay them so much attention, but they sadly do. I could add a bit more but this comment is already long. Happy hiking
The video doesn’t show that 90% of whites people don’t hike the Back country either. It’s a very small group of people who Hike 2000miles. 330,000,000 Americans. Less than 1000 hike The AT per year. That’s 1/330,000.
@@PInk77W1 An interesting angle your comment. I think it means this: Dare to be different than most. I'm no fan of exclusivity, however, being one of the hikers excludes me from the "woulda, coulda, shoulda" crowd. Virtually anyone can go hike; all are welcome; nothing much exclusive about the opportunity, just carry your own water and LNT.
I would rather be alone. I would not do the AT for companionship. I have no interest in sharing drugs or alcohol with total strangers. I would not be there to party. IMHO, the partiers will ruin the total experience, and that's something I want no part of,,, in fact, the more of these videos I watch, the less I even want to go there....
As someone planning their first overnight, this was great info! I feel as some have mentioned though, that it's sad you have to put it out there. The golden rule applies to life, all life. You can party, have fun, etc, and still be considerate to others. Just realize like Dixie said, there's all kinds of people on the trail. Being on the trail doesn't suddenly make people considerate, thoughtful, and appreciative. If they were like that before, chances are they still will be. My plan is to do some backpacking and enjoy time with my hubby now that our kids are grown. Hopefully, other hikers won't treat us like "old People". And regarding trail names, if you happen to meet me on the trail.....I love Mickey Mouse, just saying! lol
What is the drug use like on the trails or camping areas? Is marijuana or mushroom use socially acceptable in the shelter area? Is it frowned upon or are people ostracized? It seems like many things are frowned upon.
I know from my small experience and word of mouth that there is a lot of marijuana use on the trail. But I would assume the etiquette is not to smoke it or anything else in shelters or too close. For the usual reasons(allergies and personal preference/smell).
If you snore, start mouth taping it takes a week or 2 to get used to it, but it's a life changer, getting so much better sleep and the benefits that brings. All the time not just on trail.
Imagine knowing you’ll disturb the sleep of everyone around you and still CHOOSING to do so instead of being considerate and sleeping in your own space (something you can control).
Are shelters different sizes along the AT? And approximately how many people can a shelter accommodate for sleeping? And thanks for the video, you do such a great job.
Yes there's so many types. Some are single level and fit 6 to 8. Some are double level and fit 12 to 24. When it's raining you'll fit as many as you can.
You remind me of what Gabby Petito probably wanted to be. I wonder if she watched you? Anyway you inspire me. My husband and I are walking 4 to 6 miles in the woods daily in preparation for our first section hike. We are around 50 so can’t decide where to go. Ideas for mid aged peeps?
Start local. Then when you branch out further try try try to remember that the gear and methods that work for one kind of terrain and weather does not mean that it is suited for different terrain and weather. Make allowance for adverse conditions, then go for it. The difference between an ordeal and an adventure is mostly attitude, but being prepared also goes a long way. Btw I was about your age when I transitioned from a day hiker to a long hiker. That was some years ago now.
I would like a longer hike but having lived most of my life near the AT I have no desire to hike any of it - not a fan of the "green tube" aspect. I like big views and vistas. Great videos HW.
I'm sorta the opposite, but I don't like being too close to towns which makes the forest less of a wilderness and more of a town park, something that usually isn't very pristine these days. Anyway if you are ever near Central Washington State, The Enchantments would be the kind of place that might greatly appeal to you. Just don't let the milage fool you. Depending on the season it can be 3 to 6 times rougher than many other simple trail hikes. The Core Zone especially has more heavy duty rock scrambling than actual trail and the elevation is no joke for a lot of people either.
I hate to be a Debbie downer but you’re blond and white….would a brown or black person have the same welcoming experience??????? That’s why I’m so wary of what people say about trail angels
Just be aware that there is a generation that likes to attempt to "re-invent" everything and that can even include the unofficial rules for hiking. If they keep their thoughts to themselves fine, but on occasion when they seek to impose their phoney made up rules on others then they need to be told to stick 'em where the sun don't shine.
Woah, the snore hate is insane, mate! If you ask me, if we are irritated by someone else's snoring, we gotta deal with it. Get a pair of goddamn earplugs. Why does someone's right to not sleep next to a person who snores trump the latter's right to not have to camp in a downpour?...
I agree with the trail angels. I only help those who help themselves, pay their own way through life, and contribute to the civilization that provides them with their very existence. I don't give anything to people whos job it is to smoke crack, drink and parasitically live off others who work and contribute to society.
ok so basically, you're asking thru-hikers to use common sense and don't be selfish or jerks. While I enjoy all this, I'm actually saddened by people who do this, especially the selfish ones that think they own the trails and things are owed to them.
Your comments about the Smokey mountain and it being "no ones fault" sounds a bit specious. My guess is that the thru hikers are the dicks in that case. Some of the thru hikers can be super rude.
Is there a reputation for strict enforcement? The reason I ask is bc on the PCT it seemed like every last app hiker had no problem whatsoever in violating their long distance permit by using app campsites in blatant violation of their permit. To set up outside a shelter along the AT seems like a miniscule thing in comparison.
On the PCT a few years ago I saw some extreme individual ingratitude and also a pattern of ingratitude from hikers from a particular modern European country. I think as rich tourists they presumed that all Americans were rich, but half the trail angels were quite poor by their standards and yet got no gratitude time and time again. In contrast, hikers from Asian countries who were a distinct numerical minority, showed exception gratitude from what I saw.
@Paul Revere. Those damn Germans. Oh for two in World Wars so they take it out on American trail angels. Bringing that Mercedes back to the dealer tomorrow.
It is hardly my intention to throw cold water on the family aspect of thru-hiking, but on the PCT this year, as a much older hiker (81), I was, with a couple of very delightful exceptions, virtually ignored by the others, most of which were much younger than me. As a point of fact, I finally made up my own trail name, as it seemed that that was the only way I was going to have one. It doesn't, sadly, particularly surprise me, but it would have been nice if there was a bit more of the 'all folks are the same, hikers one'. Larry Robinson
This is something that I'm apprehensive about as a potentially "older" hiker approaching my 50's, and a bit of an introvert. Most of the folks in your videos seem to get close, but to those within a similar age. Yeah that's natural I think...just curious if you saw older folks brought into the same tramily's and group fun?
@@zudora1978 I'm not much of a social butterfly either, but it would have been nice to be more of 'just a hiker' than the distance I felt. Keep in mind that you are 30+ years younger than I am, so there won't be quite the age separation.
I would’ve thought it would be different.
Noticed this as well when I interacted with PCT through hikers as a day hiker and I’m between you and the other commenter age wise. Ageism is very real in society and on the trail. But they did rely on me for directions at a trail intersection that was not well marked so there’s that….
I was 56 on the CDT last year and was pleasantly surprised on how accepting the ‘youngsters’ were of me. My trail name came from a young group as well. Though two of my closest friends from the trail are from my age group, one other close friend is much younger, and I had great relationships with others as well. I am not an outgoing person either. It was a great experience for me.
I’m 45 and just fell into these thru hike videos this weekend. Binged horizontally in bed. Makes me really want to hike the AT, as I’m on the EC but I just don’t see it happening. My husband’s body is deteriorating pretty steadily, bad knees and ankles, etc. I wouldn’t want to experience it without him but maybe one day we’ll get out and do a small clip of it. Keep on hikin’ on!
Maybe someday IDK
You can try doing a section.
Some are easier than others.
Do AT shelters all have hot tubs and beers available or are those amenities only available at the fancier bougie locations like pictured in the thumbnail?
As a section hiker I would never kick someone out of a shelter. Rules be damned ill sleep in my tent. (All the micromanagement of who can or cannot sleep in shelters or tents is absolutely ridiculous anywa), like....in the example given either way someone is in a tent. Who is going to know? Let me know if I'm missing g something.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention about do not put up tents in shelters. That is about the worse thing I've seen and heard about. So inconsiderate.
Or hammocks. Came back from dinner with some dude strung accoss the shelter width wise over top of our sleeping bags.
You don't know you snore until someone tells you Not everyone knows. It's not them being inconsiderate.
I’m a nobody in this world, but I still want to share my two cents: I’ve seen a number of Dixie’s videos, and I have to commend her on being so thoughtful, gracious, caring and lovely with her efforts to educate others in her passion of thru-hiking. I’m not into this stuff, but if I was - what a godsend she is.
Keep that attitude and you’ll always be a nobody.
I’m planning to thruhike the at in spring 2024. Nobo. I started watching Dixie when she first did the AT and now I’m in a position to do it. Thanks Dixie for the years of inspiration.
I want to hike the AT so bad. I've been collecting my gear for 2 years I have everything I need. I just need to save money to go
I love your content, and get so much out of it. This is the first thing I have ever disagreed with you on. I would never get upset that a baby was crying on an airplane. It is my responsibility to have noise canceling headphones if that sort of thing bothers me. I think the same applies here with people who snore and people who are light sleepers. If snoring tends to keep you up at night, it is on you to either wear ear plugs or sleep in your tent. I only think that's true for bodily functions outside your control, not for inconsiderate choices like blasting music down the trail. I'm not saying they couldn't choose to sleep in their tent, but in this instance I don't think it's bad etiquette, or that it should be expected they sleep in their tent.
Dixie, all your videos combined make an excellent e-book on hiking. You are a treasure trove of experience and knowledge. Thank you.
Hey Dixie. Just FYI I've section hiked in the smokys the last few years and they even allow section hikers to tent around shelters now according to the info on the website each time I bought my permits. Love the videos.
it changed after Covid, hopefully it stays this way b/c it makes the shelters more comfortable and not crammed full!
That's great! To me, camping in a tent or hammock is part of the fun and being forced to stay in the shelter (and boot out some poor frozen through-hiker who was there first) would defeat the purpose.
Is it possible to do the AT without ever having to stay in a shelter or shared accommodation? I just want to camp and do my own thing.
Solitude is priceless.
When I'm on my last day. I give away my fuel and extra food to a kind face.
I was ahead of the bubble in the smokies. I only ran into few thru hikers at intersections and everyone was very friendly. I hope they all made it. The few people I talked to were stoked that I had a few days to hike and were nothing but nice.
As far as snoring goes, my view is just the opposite. If you are sensitive to others snoring, then maybe you should consider sheltering alone. Otherwise a good set of earplugs are the way to go. This viewpoint is informed from my extensive hosteling experience. Snoring is not an intentional act, it is just a fact of life for a huge proportion of people. Telling those people they should go elsewhere is wrong, in my opinion.
But is anyone really *not * bothered by snoring?
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Billions ...
Just subscribed loved you honesty😊
@Krsfsh I am my boyfriend and I have separate bedrooms
I get it! People can't help if they snore. Just give them a nudge.
My wife and I do the trail magic several times a year near Franklin, we are wondering what food and snacks including drinks do the thru hikers really want? We usually try giving both healthy and junk food, how about homemade stuff? We want to focus our time and resources on what you guys really crave.
Honestly any type of food or cold drinks. But cold cut sandwiches and fresh veggies are some of my most memorable trail magic. Always thought it would be cool if someone did a breakfast drink bar.... iced coffee, smoothies, juice etc
Water because it weighs so much.
All good! I personally loved homemade stuff...and loved the less packaging trash the better..LNT. Thanks!
Waffles! Mini waffles! ❤ lol, 😂 oh and Nanaimo bars 🇨🇦
Probably fresh produce and fruit.
It's not feasible to carry it on the trail, so cold melons in the summer or hot cocoa with milk in the winter would be awesome and much appreciated.
Even a canopy or similar thing that can be stood under is nice when it's sunny/rainy.
I just did my first thru hike and earned a trail name! (Double Check, because I was constantly double checking all my gear. Almost to a point of annoyance) I met so many amazing people and can't wait to go back!! (We hiked The Long Trail)
@Theonlynikki. My nickname would "quintuple check." Always paranoid I lost/forgot something somewhere because it's happened and it SUCKS when it does.
The whole not eating in shelters thing is absurd on the AT--the picnic table is 5 feet from the shelter LOL! So obviously the area around the shelter REEKS of cooked food all the time LOL. One more reason to tent camp as far from the shelter as possible LOL!
Yup. So much for the 100' triangle.
Funny..as 65 year old sobo I felt the younger hikers were great. Loved learning from those with special expertise in their careers or hobbies. I didn't feel any ageism but like joggers people spend more time with those running or hiking at same pace!...later I looked up some I met on their.blogs. their comments were respectful..but a little more " met a nice white haired man...an enthusiastic gentleman vs what I expected them to write like.." met a super fit old man....
The only etiquette there is on the AT is to mind your own business and worry about yourself. Don't like something? Then keep moving on....
And today's keyword for Dixie's video is: POLITE, it blows my mind how someone can not know general manners. You can get a lot more accomplished with being kind and polite than with stern commands.
Im curious, has anyone ever stolen anything from you or taken your food when you had it hung up from bears. i think my greatest fear is someone doing that to me.
The sense of hiker entitlement in these shelters and bunk rooms is ridiculous. Telling people they NEED to sleep somewhere else is the most stuck up sh!t. You're sleeping in a communal place, get over it. Follow the golden rule and be respectful and there will be no issues.
looks like the at is becoming the rock and roll marathon of the hiking world
Back in 2014 I was on a fishing trip camping alongside the Susquehanna river in PA and ran into 2 guys from Germany who were hiking the entire Appalachian Trail. Those guys were having the time of their lives. We sat around the campfire at our site and we had some beers and cooked them fresh fish.. I’ll never forget that. Their trail names were “Smokes” and “Smiling Virgin”
Thank you Dixie! Clear, concise excellent trail tips that all should appreciate :) you rock!
I'm 50. I've never hiked the AT. I hiked in NC with friends all the time in the past.
Once my kid was old enough I got him into scouts. We hike in three states.
I've been to Philmont a few times Philmont teaches the same principle of trail hiking as you do. If you can find a boy scout troop that goes on high adventure trips sign up your kids. It gives them extensive knowledge of hiking as a group. Buy them decent gear at about 14. Hiking with your kid is cool.
Hosepipes. You couldn't be more Southern! I love it! You talk like me.
I think you are fantastic. It is because of you that I now have this desire to hike the AT. Still in the pontificating stage, but I love it none the less. Thank you for all you do. ❤️
Time to stop pontificating and to start taking steps to take that first step. Your life will never be the same. Good luck!
Wow, I need to block out a day to watch all your current posts. Even tho I have no plans to hike the AT. But you always have great info and produce great content
Not everyone who snores know that they snore. Ask me how I know (now I do).
One big one is privacy is often the honor system. You should respect other's privacy, if you expect privacy.
Wow. I have not seen that name (last name anyway, idk his first) since Bulldog OCS Quantico VA 1993. Well actually I also saw it on the IOC plaque a few years later when I went through.
My actual initials are VT, part of the alphabetical tail end as things tended to operate there at OCS.
Semper Fi
@@paulrevere2379 Sorry, not me. Very few of us though so likely a relative.
@@airic499 That's a real Dutch name anyway if I'm not mistaken. I sorta got one on my maternal side. I inherited the Dutch Uncle genes if there is such a thing 😜
@@paulrevere2379 Dutch, but also German. One of those areas you have to know the year you are talking about.
looking forward to the Iceland videos.
Dixie I’ve been following you since you started pretty much and just want you to know you are awesome! Thanks for sharing your travels🧚🏾♀️🤗
I snore sometimes when im really tired though, so after a long day of hiking I wouldnt know if i would snore or not. So would it be best for me to just set a tent up no matter what? Dont snore normally but dont want to have someone cussing me out just for something you cant control. Figured its a good question.
I feel sad Dixie that you have to explain all this. As COMMON sense to me!! is not so COMMON for others . YOU are so kind and I appreciate the efforts you use in your forum to spread the COMMON SENSE to others. Thank you. I hope to start my AT journey next year and you will find nothing but pleasantries from me, spread the love..
Summary: Be considerate, be kind and have fun.
Trail Magic. I'll never forget the Chick-Fil-A sammiches some old fellow gave us after getting to Neels Gap. Just 6 or 7 days in and holy smokes, that food was so good. I think it was then that I decided I'd never eat another Mountain House meal unless I was dying.
😂💖
Hi, I have just found your site, fantastic. I have walked most my life, great job. You should come down and tramp (that's what we call it in New Zealand) the Te Araroa Trail, the length of New Zealand.
Anyway, thanks.
Per usual, Dixie’s common sense solutions and tips make her the Queen of Thru-hiking.🌿
Also remember tents are privacy bubbles, please announce when you are approaching someone’s campsites. If you come right up and tap or shake someones tent it’s going to end up badly.
Who just goes right up to someones tent and shakes it lol thats crazy
Toying with a thru hike in March 2023.
The crowds are the one thing that is giving me pause.. my kumbaya days have long passed and I spend most of my time doing wildlife photography.
I hiked from Central Florida to Santa Monica Beach between July 2018 and January 2020.
I managed to do it completely alone aside from traffic.
Looking at blogs from thru hikers over the last few years it just seems crowded, loud and seems like it would be hard to enjoy wildlife on the AT.
Still haven't made up my mind but that seems like the biggest con as opposed to pros.
You can go southbound, and have less crowds.
The only thing I would be worried about in shelters sleeping with complete strangers is people who would hurt others. As a woman, I would be very apprehensive.
Ok, gotta ask about your hair. How do you do the so clean multi-colored braids? The colors are so segregated in the braid. Fire dancing is an ancient pagan rite for celebration. So do it of you can.
OK now I'm weirded out. If I ever attempt this then let it be known my trail name is "go away with the hippy stuff".
I have a question and since I’ve never hiked any of these trails, I’m asking out of curiosity not trying to be inflammatory. I just want to learn.
When Dixie was talking about the section hikers not being allowed to sleep in a tent near the shelter, so if you (a through hiker) are already sleeping, you may have to get up and go pitch tent in the rain, I was wondering something.
I am all for rules. They’re there for a reason. They’re often made to reduce confusion. Here’s the question though, do ppl come by and check? And if the section hikers are in a tent, they get a fine?
I'm really curious about that too. Why would you have to sleep in the shelter and not wherever you wanted? Makes no sense.
Greetings from Damascus, VA!!! I am fairly new to your channel but I have enjoyed catching up. I am by no means an out door girl, but I am always watching the videos through the eyes of other hikers. I have lived in this town for 40 years and the beauty of a small town should always be appreciated. Praying that God keeps you safe and always on the move doing what you love.
I love how you are boiling this back down to basics for the potential news folks, as well as others who have hiked elsewhere, but want to get more structured lay of the land "basics" (and, not so much)... Etiquette goes a long way to not just enjoying others, but keeping the experience a big plus for everyone, as much as possible.
Another great video. Many good points for me to remember. Since i snore horribly.
I do my hiking in winter,no people,no problems.no shelters either,tent and stealthy.
@9mil. Will speak for the entire hiking community by saying "Thank You," as someone who goes by the handle "9mil," for doing all your hiking in the dead of winter when no one else is around.
Amen Brother👍
You are a beautiful person Dixie girl! It makes me a little sad that you had to express some of these thoughts out loud. Your presentation is fantastic, as per usual. 👌👍👉🤙
Here for my Dixie fix. 🥾
Such an important video, not just for the trail, but for life also. Well done!
I've never been so ashamed of my snoring. I always provide earplugs for my hiking companions and still have to set my tent up far away. Can't share a hotel room with anyone. And I've been woken up for "napping too loud". Hikers should carry ear plugs if they're going to camp near other people. Snorers are people too!
I challenge anyone to walk by an AT shelter at 3 AM and not have 80% of the hikers snoring. Yes, even the women.
I get it. It’s frustrating when someone falls asleep five minutes after hiker midnight and snores like a banshee. Might even have sleep apnea.
Carry earplugs and don’t be a hater.
Thank God for sleeping bags, otherwise Dixie might have been kicking the farters out of the shelters too.
Love ya Dixie, but I think you went a little too far with ostracizing the snorers.
I'm glad someone said it.
SNORING just HAPPENS... in time with age - you will become a snorer ... it happens !! 😉
your shit is the best, you should be a professor of hiking at Harvard
The rules for section hikers in the Smokies are ridiculous. If the shelter is full, they should be required to sleep outside. Typical bureaucratic, non thinking things through nonsense. BTW Love your videos and the service you provide!!!
I've been backpacking, bike touring, canoe and kayak touring as well as a little X country ski touring since the late 60"s. No matter what way I'm traveling I avoid traveling parties. Whether it is on a river, a point-to-point trail or a cross State or coast to coast bike tour. Never got into traveling with 1,000 of my closest and most intimate friends who don't go by their real name. The last thing I want out of trip is waiting in line to poop. Traveling in a small group of 6 to 8 likeminded friends or with three generation of my family is much more enjoyable. No drunks or crazies. We can set up camp and enjoy an evening around the campfire or a candle lantern by ourselves. There is a big difference between those out to prove some kind of point and are detached from the reality of the natural world. and those concerned about a world full of biodiversity. Then there are the nomads, those on a sustainable journey. They are not bragging about their newest lightest gear. New is more important to them than appropriate technology. The nomads on their journey don't look for a trashcan to dispose of all their plastic and paper warpers their food came in, because they don't create trash. In their travels they have learned how to live within the sustainable circle of life. The nomad lives the same on the road and at home. They eat the same food, wear the same clothing, they don't segment their lives into two non-compatible compartments. The nomad is on a journey to infinity and back or a walk through the Milky Way.. Living deep in the wonders of the natural world. They are more likely to be carrying a butt kicking powerhouse stove designed in 1899 that is the same size and weight as the newest great idea, or a tent design 10,,000 years ago that you don't have to crawl on your hands and knees to get in and out of. They use their most important tool, their brain to explore and investigate the wonders above and under their feet. Nomads don't count grams or Kelo's, they take what they need, and they know how to use it in three or four different ways. Life is good and they embrace good.
Props to Damascus VA. Fantastic!
Thank you for your creativity and kindness to share with us this video. It is very soothing and relaxing to watch this and get an uplifting feeling that everything we experience shall pass, and even the bad time will become the past of time. As someone who has been struggling with work and I don't enjoy doing any more and accumulating stress, I come to your channel and feel moved. I feel inspired to make something out of my life and change the circumstances. Thank you and wishing you the best on your journey :)
I had that very same thing happen to me except kind of in reverse I had a bunk reserved and when I got there there was this gorgeous whoa I mean gorgeous girl in my bunk so I know I wasn't supposed to sleep outside but I did. I guess I'm just a nice guy like that besides those bunks with the wires in them most of the time was not comfortable and the little pad I had never helped anyway. so I set up my hammock and my little system to keep me dry. I did however cook inside at the fireplace and she did keep an eye on my pack while I left it inside the shelter. it was kind of crazy though later on that night I heard something and lifted my tarp up and low and behold Here Comes baby bear then Here Comes Mama Bear then Here Comes two more babies but they left me alone and only walked right by. they went on over to the shelter where the smell of food was and I was lucky that way because there was no smell of food with me. anyway it sure was cool to see that Mama and three babies go by. I didn't know whether to tell this story or not but I thought it was pretty cool about the Bears.🐻🤪😇
I have heard that they are not naturally nocturnal. Anymore idk what to believe sometimes, but if so then it's kinda sad bc that means those baby bears are learning wrong from the git-go.
I suppose that would make them semi-feral if they are getting their feed from human sources. None of that your fault, so don't get me wrong, just wondering how to reverse such things. Maybe it's kinda impossible where towns and human habitation is encroaching on the ever thinning free range wilderness.
One thing I notice is there doesn't seem to be many black or brown people in this video. Are they less welcome in those areas? Like, by the locals.
idk about the AT specifically, but everyone is welcome on the PCTs although there are certain rich tourist types who like the idea that it should be exclusive to big spenders. I think their kind have lost ground in recent years btw.
What you generally don't see is many ppl who are vastly more suited for warm and hot climates than for high mountain cold and snow. I strongly suspect that is why you see so many with Scandinavian/North European genetics regardless of their actual nationality.
There are a few exceptions where rugged adventurism is a strong part of the culture, but this is also true for individuals who break away from their own upbringing (like yours truely).
I really don't think there is any unwelcome for anyone based on pigmentation (you should see what the sun does to some hikers, haha - funny but sometimes not so much), but there is one thing I have faced a bit. I'm one of those genetically suited for higher temperatures. I did the San Jacinto ascent SoBo in July which the guidebooks for the rich tourists call a no go (too hot - but not for me). The typical hiker thinks it would kill them, idk, maybe. But I digress
Anyway what I face is criticism against the extra warming layers, clothing that I absolutely need for the higher elevations almost year round. 55°F is not too hot for me to use a sleep system survival rated at minus 10°F, but since sub-freezing is way common (even less with wind chill) I actually need much more.
It's not easy for everyone to brush off the criticism from some who call these essentials, "luxury items" but no old school Boyscout would be like that However I think this too is diminishing. Some of the rich tourist types do grow up and mature a little bit over time, not that anyone should pay them so much attention, but they sadly do.
I could add a bit more but this comment is already long.
Happy hiking
The video doesn’t show that
90% of whites people don’t hike the
Back country either.
It’s a very small group of people who
Hike 2000miles.
330,000,000 Americans. Less than 1000 hike
The AT per year.
That’s 1/330,000.
@@PInk77W1 An interesting angle your comment.
I think it means this: Dare to be different than most.
I'm no fan of exclusivity, however, being one of the hikers excludes me from the "woulda, coulda, shoulda" crowd. Virtually anyone can go hike; all are welcome; nothing much exclusive about the opportunity, just carry your own water and LNT.
So. How did Rigga get her trail name?
I would rather be alone. I would not do the AT for companionship. I have no interest in sharing drugs or alcohol with total strangers. I would not be there to party. IMHO, the partiers will ruin the total experience, and that's something I want no part of,,, in fact, the more of these videos I watch, the less I even want to go there....
Just general life advice..
.do to others as you'd want them to do to you.
Open a class and teach little ones….
As someone planning their first overnight, this was great info! I feel as some have mentioned though, that it's sad you have to put it out there. The golden rule applies to life, all life. You can party, have fun, etc, and still be considerate to others. Just realize like Dixie said, there's all kinds of people on the trail. Being on the trail doesn't suddenly make people considerate, thoughtful, and appreciative. If they were like that before, chances are they still will be. My plan is to do some backpacking and enjoy time with my hubby now that our kids are grown. Hopefully, other hikers won't treat us like "old People". And regarding trail names, if you happen to meet me on the trail.....I love Mickey Mouse, just saying! lol
Reminds me why I always avoid large groups on the trail.
But what if you don't like people in general? Like seriously how do you try to avoid people?
”Wilderness solitude is great so lets build a crowded city of tents”
I enjoyed the video and advice.
Yeah idgaf about some reservations or whatever. I’m not getting out of bed for someone else to have my spot. Nope
So....the golden rule applies to the trail too? Got it. It's a cry'n shame that it has to be said out loud.
What a great video and as someone who doesn't backpack, an eye-opener
I recently vacationed in Monson and a couple businesses were no longer thru hiker friendly. (Not Shaw’s)
What is the drug use like on the trails or camping areas? Is marijuana or mushroom use socially acceptable in the shelter area? Is it frowned upon or are people ostracized? It seems like many things are frowned upon.
I know from my small experience and word of mouth that there is a lot of marijuana use on the trail. But I would assume the etiquette is not to smoke it or anything else in shelters or too close. For the usual reasons(allergies and personal preference/smell).
If you snore, start mouth taping it takes a week or 2 to get used to it, but it's a life changer, getting so much better sleep and the benefits that brings. All the time not just on trail.
Agreed!
Good idea, you just start taping people's mouths shut so they can't complain about your snoring!😅
Most down to earth informative helpful videos I’ve seen to date. Thank you 🙏🏽
Imagine telling someone they cant sleep in a shelter because of something they cant control
(snoring), pathetic.
Imagine knowing you’ll disturb the sleep of everyone around you and still CHOOSING to do so instead of being considerate and sleeping in your own space (something you can control).
Are shelters different sizes along the AT? And approximately how many people can a shelter accommodate for sleeping? And thanks for the video, you do such a great job.
Yes there's so many types. Some are single level and fit 6 to 8. Some are double level and fit 12 to 24. When it's raining you'll fit as many as you can.
GREAT video as usual.
All that tell me is there little kids who can't follow rules
You remind me of what Gabby Petito probably wanted to be. I wonder if she watched you? Anyway you inspire me. My husband and I are walking 4 to 6 miles in the woods daily in preparation for our first section hike. We are around 50 so can’t decide where to go. Ideas for mid aged peeps?
Start local. Then when you branch out further try try try to remember that the gear and methods that work for one kind of terrain and weather does not mean that it is suited for different terrain and weather.
Make allowance for adverse conditions, then go for it.
The difference between an ordeal and an adventure is mostly attitude, but being prepared also goes a long way.
Btw I was about your age when I transitioned from a day hiker to a long hiker. That was some years ago now.
R.I.P. Gabby
I appreciate all the extra posts.
I had to steep off at the half way because medical
Great video!
I would like a longer hike but having lived most of my life near the AT I have no desire to hike any of it - not a fan of the "green tube" aspect. I like big views and vistas. Great videos HW.
I'm sorta the opposite, but I don't like being too close to towns which makes the forest less of a wilderness and more of a town park, something that usually isn't very pristine these days.
Anyway if you are ever near Central Washington State, The Enchantments would be the kind of place that might greatly appeal to you.
Just don't let the milage fool you. Depending on the season it can be 3 to 6 times rougher than many other simple trail hikes. The Core Zone especially has more heavy duty rock scrambling than actual trail and the elevation is no joke for a lot of people either.
Is snoring a bear deterrent?
I hate to be a Debbie downer but you’re blond and white….would a brown or black person have the same welcoming experience??????? That’s why I’m so wary of what people say about trail angels
Dixie, I see you’re wearing a Glacier National Park jacket. Did you hike there? Fantastic place, visited September 2022.
Drinkin', smokin', DRUGGIN' 😅
Makes me think, are most hikers Republicans, Democrats or Independant?
Love how you share your experience and knowledge. Never would have guessed at some of the strange rules.
Just be aware that there is a generation that likes to attempt to "re-invent" everything and that can even include the unofficial rules for hiking. If they keep their thoughts to themselves fine, but on occasion when they seek to impose their phoney made up rules on others then they need to be told to stick 'em where the sun don't shine.
Woah, the snore hate is insane, mate! If you ask me, if we are irritated by someone else's snoring, we gotta deal with it. Get a pair of goddamn earplugs. Why does someone's right to not sleep next to a person who snores trump the latter's right to not have to camp in a downpour?...
I agree with the trail angels. I only help those who help themselves, pay their own way through life, and contribute to the civilization that provides them with their very existence. I don't give anything to people whos job it is to smoke crack, drink and parasitically live off others who work and contribute to society.
ok so basically, you're asking thru-hikers to use common sense and don't be selfish or jerks. While I enjoy all this, I'm actually saddened by people who do this, especially the selfish ones that think they own the trails and things are owed to them.
Your comments about the Smokey mountain and it being "no ones fault" sounds a bit specious. My guess is that the thru hikers are the dicks in that case. Some of the thru hikers can be super rude.
Wow yeah that's a terrible system in the Smokies
Is there a reputation for strict enforcement?
The reason I ask is bc on the PCT it seemed like every last app hiker had no problem whatsoever in violating their long distance permit by using app campsites in blatant violation of their permit.
To set up outside a shelter along the AT seems like a miniscule thing in comparison.
On the PCT a few years ago I saw some extreme individual ingratitude and also a pattern of ingratitude from hikers from a particular modern European country. I think as rich tourists they presumed that all Americans were rich, but half the trail angels were quite poor by their standards and yet got no gratitude time and time again.
In contrast, hikers from Asian countries who were a distinct numerical minority, showed exception gratitude from what I saw.
@Paul Revere. Those damn Germans. Oh for two in World Wars so they take it out on American trail angels. Bringing that Mercedes back to the dealer tomorrow.