When Judo fought Karate
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- This video discusses a sparring that happened in 1991 between a karate and a judoka.
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Bonjour chadi,
Look at All KAKIE technique made by morio HIGAONNA sensei.
He got an anvil in the HARA.
These pushing hands are the first shape of body to get for realyse a good fight against a judoka or wrestler.
Salutations.
Look at the vidéo :
KAKIE.shihan morio HIGAONNA 10 dan. Okinawa karaté goju ryu.
I love shouting "sweep the leg" at both Judo and Karate competitions.
But there’s also half of the karate competitions will tell you no sweeping
@@timelesswarriors strike first and strike hard then!👊
"Swiper no sweeping"
Не совсем бей так чтоб пробить как бить ❤@@mritchie85
Great stuff
Judo is so effective that even when you are defeating your opponent, you are “protecting” him! With slight variations in the throw (ex on head etc) or immediate immobilization for strangle or joint… it’s over. Then again, a high level knowledge of grappling with a striking base can make any gap or moment of hesitation fatal 🙏
the above vid is just friendly match to test their skills, they are not MMA fight what soever. The fight already ended at the first waki gata,e.
6:06 especially, but this is what I try to warn my students about when they ask me if grappling or striking arts are better. It depends on who has their range. As grapplers we have to get through the strikers range before we can do anything to them, so don't underestimate them.
What a sick fight. Proper martial arts, here.
Judo vs Karate - X
Train Judo and Karate - O
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The Kanji used for Tegumi (Okinawan wrestling) and Kumite (Karate sparring, grappling hands) is the same Kanji just reversed.
Te-gumi just means "grab with hand". Its a generic term. I forget the name of Okinawan wrestling style. But we can find some moves in heian sandan.
@@staurosnordeste I've seen the Wrestling style called Tegumi. "Catch as Catch can" could be a similar descriptor they use for some styles of Catch wrestling, your literally catching your opponent as you can, any part of them.
@@staurosnordesteMuto?
This is exactly what needs to happen, for the future of Japanese Martial Arts...
To combine them all into a single curriculum...
Kobudo, Karate, Judo, Jiu-Jutsu, and Aikido...
Remember "Kumite" means Grappling hands, that is not by accident!
Kumite meant grappling hands?! That changed my perspective on the Bloodsport movie. LOL 🤣
@@tichtran664 yes a bjj tourny that got really real
Thank you for this information!
Fun Fact Legendary Masters of Karate Like Oyama-Sensei, Funakoshi-Sensei they trained Judo too and Became Black Belt of Judo.
i think both did very well
That was very cool to watch. Very good match.
The mistake teh karate made was he tried to grapple with teh judoka. He should have maintained his distance. I also believe that judo is mandatory for Japanese students and the karate 'reverted' to his 'school judo'. I was also surprised at the lack of striking to the face or neck by the karate when the judoka was looking for his 'grips'.
That's possible, but also, karate has some throws (more or less depending on the style), and that may have contributed. Maybe the feeling of the fight made him forget the strategy.
@@WillyansMaciel Some throws that you are not practiced at all in regular bases. This's the problem with karate that techniques are not practiced. Only katas are practiced, maybe some kumite.
@@WillyansMaciel This is a fair assessment, but why 'fight someone else's fight' if you have your chance to impose your will (distance-wise). Judo also has strikes at the higher level but the judo player stayed true to his training. I would say the judo player won the fight base on the 'first fall' and trusting his training.
There was possibly a 'no striking above the collar bone' rule there, like kyokushin karate. The strikes in this match that did land on the judoka's head; a punch and an axe kick earned the karateka a warning... I once did a similar "MMA" match, as a karateka against a BJJ practitioner; no head strikes, no ground and pound. I was able to land leg kicks at will and though I got taken down a few times, I was able get up from the ground... Until about halfway through the 2nd round, where I fatigued, couldn't get up and tapped to ude-garami... Though I lost, I was un-injured, but the BJJ fella had trouble walking afterwards... From my experience, head strikes and ground and pound would've changed the match significantly.
@@jimbotussock3856 Thank you for your insight and thorough explanation. I did notice there was a lack of facial strikes and I was wondering if the karate practitioner was Kyokushin based on his stance. Either way, I this match and your match that you recounted. I think that it is a touch 'unfair' with respect to 'style' match-ups since the equivalent of the 'no head strikes' would be like telling the judo practitioner no ne-waza. Either way, I do appreciate all of these respectful and detailed responses. Thanks again.
When karatéka turned into kick boxer mentallity,you've got this vidéo.
A karaté must Work IPPON KUMITE : one attack and one response.
And in the second time,work the KAKIE technique ( pushing hands as morio HIGAONNA did).
with KAKIE,your Hara became as an anvil !
It's more difficult to put you down and you have the time to hit or using open Hands for groin and throat and eyes.
Look at the KAKIE technique of morio HIGAONNA when he got 35 years old....
IPPON KUMITE+ KAKIE is the solution against judo and wrestlers.
After got my Black belt karaté morio HIGAONNA school,i practise WRESTLING.
The teacher said :
You re already practise ??!
i said,no,never !
And he said:
I don't understand,you are heavy as a dead horse 😂!
It's KAKIE gain.
6:00 a calf slicer from my experience, is primarily about the arm that grips the leg. The forearm bone when you keep your thumb oriented upward, should provide the focus of pressure needed to submit.
Last time I checked, there are some branches of Karate which do a grappling session to get well rounded like the early generation. Some examples are Shidokan Karate, Seidokaikan Karate and certain groups of Goju Ryu.
I saw a comment here from Renku07 claiming Karate dudes don't practice the fundemental techniques of Kata in live sparring. Is that so? I have the video proofs on my channel. Go ask Katsunori Kikuno (Okinawa Kenpo) who literally knocked out a Thai fighter with Yama Tsuki from Bassai Kata.
こういうの高校生の頃、お遊びでやったな。剣道部の防具を借りてw
They USED to do foot lock/ leg lock in karate?! I NEVER knew that 😕. I like old karate MORE than old judo
I think the karate guy knows some basic grappling
Fighting Commentary Breakdowns is a great channel. You should get him on your podcast if you get the chance.
I fought karatekas when I was a judoka and I always won when they did not keep their distance.
On the other hand I was badly defeated by a muy thai pracitioner in close combat because he locked my neck and began to hit me with his knees and I did not what to do against this.
Striking is the way to against that, but you don't see that in tournament because the strike target is illegal. I know that Muay Thai practitioners always glorify that move, my friends do 😂 But us Silat practitioners are used to them, Malaysia and Thailand are neighbors. We know their moves and they know our moves as well. 😁
When a thai boxer grabs your neck and starts to hit you with his knees, sweep his pivot leg.
Do u hate karateka”s also i do okinawan karate and boxing i do Japanese jujitsu but judo seem fun
@thunderkatz4219 I hate noone. I think traditional martial arts are good. I practiced judo for 11 years , and I know a bit of ju jutsu as well. I switched to aikido.
But when I was a kid I wanted to do karate.
I think they are all good, but judo has become more and more like wrestling with the compétition system. Also in karate some grappling techniques are not used anymore because of compétition again
And for aikido, it is technical but only katas so without real sparing it has watered down a lot.
@@ThibautKurt23 If you want a real deal you must go to the said MA home country, you won't find it in the west because MA in the west is either watered down or sport version. To find a genuine one is rare, and usually it's a private session between you and your teacher, not in the class. That need a lot of trust because Asians are not likely want to share "secrets" to everybody...anyway, the west has too many regulations to open MA schools, there are things that we can't do in the west, but we can in Asia. So, if want a real Karate and Aikido, go to Japan...
Bonjour Chadi, tu es francophone, donc j'écrirai en français.
La video que tu montres au vu des techniques du karatéka, oppose un judoka et un pratiquant de karate kyokushinkai ou autre style proche. Donc techniques de frappe dans les jambes mais pas au visage.
Je pense que les règles du combat ont été aménagée pour ne pas avoir de coups de coude et genou.
Tout le problème d'une compétition sportive ce sont les règles. Les premiers UFC des frères Gracie montraient la supériorité de la lutte, les derniers événements montrent que des karatékas ou des boxeurs avec un entrainement prenant en compte les règles de l'UFC peuvent performer.
Les confrontations lutte conte frappe m'ont toujours laissé dubitatif. Dans un cadre sportif le vainqueur, ce sont les règles. Celui qui gagne c'est celui qui les exploite du mieux possible.
Concernant la vraie vie la réponse est plus complexe. J'ai fait de nombreuses missions à l'étranger, et le résultat est sans appel l'arme à feu et le couteau gagnent toujours.
Pour ce qui est du combat à main nue sans "règles" dans "rue" là encore c'est complexe.
Si tu es des forces de l'ordre, tu dois neutraliser un individu dans le cadre de la loi (avec des règles), alors que ton adversaire est pas definition en dehors de la loi. Pour le policier les techniques seront des saisies (judo, aikido, lutte) pour amener le délinquant en bonne santé devant la justice, le délinquant utilisera les coups les plus vicieux qui sont souvent des percutions et des armes. Nous sommes dans ta video dans des combats un contre un, mais souvent ce sont des groupes qui combattent. Un groupe de combat à l'armée c'est 10 personnes, on ne lutte pas, on ne va pas au sol, car en face c'est la même chose, si tu tombe en luttant en combat localité, ton binôme traite la menace ou c'est le binôme de ton adversaire qui te traite.
C'est pour cela qu'a l'armé on privilégie la frappe et toujours se relever et rester sur ses appuis. Les techniques de saisie sont pour les missions de type sécurisation d'un lieu ou de population civiles.
J'avais été tres impressionné par le reportage "battle of marseille" entre hooligans russes et anglais pendants l'euro de foot 2016. On voit des groupes se déchainer dans de la pure violence, ce qui m'avait interpellé, pas de saisie, pas de lutte, que de la percussion. On isole un adversaire, on lui tombe dessus à 5, on le frappe pendant 10 secondes interminables et l'on part vers d'autres victimes que l'on mettra dans le coma.
Je pratique le karate Shotokan, je suis 5 DAN et j'ai aussi fait de nombreux théâtres de guerre, mon fusil et mon pistolet étaient ma meilleur défense...et encore isolé dans Kaboul face à un kamikaze je n'aurai eu aucune chance. Nous devons pratiquer nos discipline martiale en comparant mais surtout en comprenant ce que fait l'autre et pourquoi. Le karate que je pratique est un art martial okinawaien, d'origine chinoise, codifié par les japonais. Je le pratique car il convient à ma morphologie, il est une porte d'entré vers les cultures asiatiques, il est une reflexion sur la violence inhérente à l'espèce humaine. Il est un DO, il nourrit ma spiritualité. Corps, âme, esprit. En aucun cas ma pratique sportive ou martiale n'est "efficace" en cas de guerre, elle nourrira ma reflexion, mais je compte plus sur mes seances de tir.
Très bon témoignage.
Je suis ceinture noire de karaté morio HIGAONNA school.
Après tsuki jodan la main s'ouvre pour les doigts aux yeux ou saisir les cheveux pour un Genou.
C'est évident un exemple.
Il Y en a beaucoup comme ça.
Karaté n'est pas un kick boxing.
C'est une sorte de boxe sale où tout est possible.
Donc les combats sportifs judo contre karaté n'ont pas de sens.
Je vous conseille d'aller voir les vidéos du power training par morio HIGAONNA.
Cela va peut être vous plaire...
Cordialement.
Very interesing.
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It was foolish. I have done both judo and karate. It was no fair competition. Karatekas couldn’t go “till the end” when judokas could. Never was fair. And also sports karate has nothing to do with real karate, as you certainly agree with me.
Morio HIGAONNA for GOJU RYU.
André BERTEL for SHOTOKAN.
and Judd REID for KYOKUSHINKAI.
SHINJO sensei for UECHI RYU.
4 KARATEKA very good and strong.
( but morio HIGAONNA sensei is the best,it's obvious for everyone who know).
@ I did shito-ryu. I don’t mind styles, I mind knowledge that has been proved on the battlefield (the actual combat) and training. All styles are good enough, with their peculiarities. None is better than the other. Practitioners are, instead.
I’d like to nuance my first post. I don’t say that karate would be superior than judo. I don’t know what the result would be. I only say what I said, the intent was foolish and unreal. I practised judo before karate (fifty years ago, and I knew about this “competitions”j and this was my feeling from the beginning. Sports Karate is not about harming someone, it’s about winning points. Judo can be either way, although there are certain techniques that are not allowed on the tatami, but only a few. The rest is for real.
That karate fighter had too many restrictions placed on/against him, and his base was very unstable, when I was practicing shotokan hard style, you risked being knocked out rushing into our style of fighting, but don't get me wrong, ALOT of us went for our rank in pure judo as well. Good video and appreciate your channel/platform
Seriously, one strike can KO a person, no matter what MA background that person is. It just that in tournaments and sparrings, strikers don't deliver 100% and don't attack at vital points for obvious reason, otherwise the fight will end in few seconds. Strike first, grapple second. That's my rule for self-defense. Well, it is easier to grapple when your opponent is already in pain, is it not? Why want to grapple a strong and healthy person? It will be 50-50, either you succeed, or your opponent do. So, weaken your opponent first by quick powerful strike, then do whatever you want, you can even escape should you need to.
This is why the weird feud between striking and grappling for self defense is just that-weird, unnecessary and at the end of the day, bad for the development of martial artists on both sides. They work together, very efficiently, and all martial artists should aspire to learn as much as they can about both.
@@vperna6035 As a Silat practitioner I find the feud funny because we have everything in Silat. We only need to tweak a bit here and there to fit into modern world. In fact, we don't need MMA because Silat itself is an ancient MMA influenced by cultures come into contact with us Southeast Asians. So, for me, there is no issue 😄
The way I look at it as a Judoka, you will always have to pass through a strikers range to get to a grapplers range, but if you don't know what to do when someone gets past your striking range you're in for a world of hurt. Learn both, train both, favor one if you must, but keep what's useful, leave what's useless.
I look at striking as the first line of unarmed self defense. It's like the infantry, clinch work and Judo is the Cavalry that backs it up. BJJ is the wall around the keep lined with archers. The last line of defense before th castle falls.
@ That's a good way to put it! And each artist has different levels of skill in each area, so you can still defend against a siege even if your cavalry is lacking because your infantry and archers are so skilled.
Hi Chadi, where can I find the video of the old footage of submission from guard?
6:55
And that is why leg grabbing needs to be brought back into judo. Effective simple way to take out your opponent.
返そうと力んだら、柔系の思うツボなので、リフトされる瞬間に全身の力を抜いて身体を軟体化して体重で潰す。
特に投げに入って投げの頂点に入る寸前のタイミングだと、姿勢的に一番体重が荷重となって相手の関節や筋におそいかかるのでうまくいけばダメージになることがある。
Whats your thoughts on kudo a mix of judo and karate
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Good timing as Jesse the Karate Nerd posted a vid on the grappling aspects of Tai Chi vs Karate recently.
Well just maybe the outcome would be different if karatekas were allowed to do full contact techniques.
Judo and BJJ can immobilize all striking-style martial arts like Karate and Muay Thai BUT in my country (Indonesia) they will get killed so easily by 2 street robbers (they are very common here, act in team, armed with machete and sickle).
In my country, striking-style martial arts are more effective and more profitable (of course because our society clearly needs it here, more potential "customers" than grappling dojo business).
have a look at johan la grange for good karate take downs
His throw against Toshihito Kobukun was legendary. Albeit in ultimately a defeat.
The striker’s hand techniques were poor. Many missed opportunities and novice power.
This was a poor comparison. Admittedly, the judoka was good fighter.
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as a karateka and judoka, I would say that the "karate guy" has some notions of throwing and ground playing. Is not an absolute beginner.
that said, i don't like is attitude.
I was not surprise that the judo guy had a straight punch on his face. in judo, we have a very low gard. because there is no punch in the face in judo.
The best : train judo + karate + muai thai + jjb... If you have time to do it ! 😅
Désolé,non.
Il faut développer une forme de corps a travers un travail de 20 ans dans une école.
Ensuite vous pouvez étudier une autre école 6 où 7 ans pour être complet où meilleur dans le combat Total.
J'ai eu la chance de travailler avec hidehiko YOSHIDA.
sa forme de corps est maîtrisée et puissante, tout passe naturellement.
Ensuite il a étudié le muay thaï pour le MMA.
C'est pas sa spécialité et cela se voit.
Néanmoins sa boxe est correct, mais c'est pas la même forme de corps.
On ne peut pas avoir deux formes de corps.
C'est UNE et un complément ensuite.
Tout travailler en même temps est une perte de temps et d'efficacité.
......je le sais j'ai testé 😂....😢
Une école pour une vie et un complément au choix de quelques années.
C'est tout.
@didiervidry7687
désolé, mais perso, le karaté, c'est en effet pas 3 ans que j'ai pratiqué, mais bientôt 40.
et à un moment donné tous les arts martiaux se rejoignent. Et mon judo ne fait qu'améliorer mon karaté.
Pour le muai thai ou le kick boxing, évidemment pour être un pro, il faut faire que ça. Mais à mon avis tout pratiquant d'art martiaux, et surtout les karatékas, devraient avoir un minimum de connaissances de base dans ces formes de boxe, d'une part par culture générale, mais surtout pour se rendre compte que le tatami ou le ring, c'est 2 choses assez différentes, et arrêter de se raconter des histoires.
Amitiés
I like seeing the fujiwari armbar. Yes I like pro wrestling and catch wrestling.
I also like seeing the uranage ( suplex) being turned into almost a rock bottom.
Karateka = kyokushin. There are a lot of different styles.
Not sure if this can be called fight. More like hard sparring with same strange rules (and clothes) which are favoring the judoka. Put a amateur kickboxer against either one and both would be destroyed in a moment.
Don t know what karate this should be
1 important point in Karate Shotokan is stable deep stand it is not possible to through someone who is able to perform this kind of stand .
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