3 BODY PROBLEM Season 1 Episode 8 "Wallfacer" First Time Watching Reaction/Review
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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Saul was chosen because Ye Wenjie told him a joke. Remember, she said to him after that, "I hope I didn't cause you any trouble."
There must be more than one way to take all that. Ye knows she's the subject of observation, so she says something the San-Ti would not understand...but must presume is critically important and probably dangerous to them. And at the same time, it could have been merely her expression of a bitter joke upon herself...she had tried to "accompany God" and discovered her gods don't want human accompaniment. But at the same time, the fact that she had given a "message" to Saul is known to Wade, which made Saul an excellent candidate for the Wallfacer diversion. Yet...maybe there _is_ a coded message in Ye's joke that Saul will understand later.
I agree,that conversation is what put him on the San-ti's radar as a danger to their plan.
@@kirkdarling4120 Wade must the 4th wallfacer. There are 4 of them in the book
She also said "jokes are important. We wouldn't SURVIVE without them."
@joingbow7496 oh man that would be sooooo brilliant on the show's part
Remember that sail is about 2 miles wide. let that sink in when thinking about how long the cords are that attach the sail to the probe.
I can’t wait for the “Droplet” scene.
I think that’s the scene D&D wants to shoot like the reason they produce GoT for the red wedding.
No one noticed that the Mission Director was played by Bobak Ferdowsi, real life NASA flight director.
How the fuck we supposed to know who the NASA flight director is ???
@@subhashismandal9871 pay attention in the world? He's pretty goddamn famous.
@@misterkite In the US may be ??
Dude! I knew he looked familiar!!!
@@subhashismandal9871 "a" flight director not "the" flight director. Same for any space program in any country/company.
It didn’t dawn on me Wade is the 4th wall facer until watching this!
"It's a lie about a liar?"
"No, it's not a lie, its an allegory - a way we convey meaning in an abstract manner. These stories are read to our children to instill morality, instinct, and life lessons. It's an untruth, but not a lie - a lie implies malicious intent. We all know that stories are untrue"
"A story is an untruth that is known to be untrue"
"Yes"
"The wolf represents danger"
"Yes"
"We understand"
And just like that you prevented interstellar war.
I don’t know that it would have prevented war, but the San-ti might not have withdrawn their protection from the ETO. I definitely like that answer a lot more though. 😅
Very close, but I would not use "untruth' rather that they are abstractions that represent Truth with a capital "T" rather than truth with a lowercase "t." The story is not a lie about liars, it is a story that uses metaphor to convey *Truth's*
They said that communication is done once you have communicated. They don't have a hive mind but what they think, they will 'speak' what they think once they speak. They probably can't understand figures of speech because of this. I think they evolved to be this way because of the need for species-preservation everytime they experience an apocalypse during chaotic eras. Lying and manipulating against each other will just make them go extinct faster hence their "if one of us survived, everyone survives" dogma. They don't fear their kind, they fear the unknown and what they can't calculate, and that fear is what made them survive. That's why they can't understand the ways of the fearless. That's why they can't lie. That's why they are afraid of us.
And yet this would result in nothing... They still can't read human minds and tell what they are thinking... They still don't understand what the intentions of humans are at any point of time, even if someone speaks the truth, there might be some hidden motive... Therefore they simply cannot trust us just on face value!
Ha, the acting when you've already read the book. I can't tell at all "Woah, what in the world happened!" :D
So there's a huge oversight Ive noticed here on the part of humanity. We know for certain that the San-Ti can't lie to each other. At least not directly. That does not at all mean they can't learn to lie to other species that can't see their thoughts like they do.
@seraeggobutterworth5247appreciate you letting us know this gets addressed without spoiling anything. This will be very interesting 👀
yea but its not part of their culture per say, so it might not be a hard rule but just something that are design to.
@@rushyscoper1651 it's engrained enough in their culture that they have a hard time understanding the concept of allegory.
Humans can advance exponentially to a degree... Ever since Santi sent Sophons to earth, they locked the scientific progress for humans and their fate is sealed. They wouldn't be able to make any new discoveries as Sophons would always cause interference and conflict the results... Book 2 is majorly about how humans try to come up with solutions for the deterrence of the incoming threat, operating creatively within the confines of the current situation... Things have just begun, Season 2 will be even more mind blowing...🤯🤯
So excited. I feel like there is a plothole though: Why did the San Ti let humans know they are coming? If physicists hadn't started dying and the sky didn't blink humans would go on fighting each other and focusing on the wrong technology for the next 400 years
@@agentseptember7185 Because "God doesn't care". It feels San-Ti technology might be obsolete in 400 years, but they are actually way ahead of humans. They think we are bugs. Do humans worry about bugs' idea of making their nests better? Book 2 has several big scenes about this.
@@agentseptember7185 When they said that humans will surpass them in 400 year i assumed that under normal condition a.k.a not revealing themselves, humans will advance to the point of detecting the Santi are coming and destroy them before they do
Always a good day when you get to be "someone in the comments."
Looking forward to Season 2.
Was just renewed also
Now you know why Tatiana is around. She's slightly unhinged and then radicalized to follow a "Lord" that she has never met but can erase her from observation by modern technology.
Unlike many other "stories", I found it helpful to see this show before reading the book. I started reading the book after ep 1 and gave up on it. In the book, the names are confusing and the events difficult to visualize. Being able to "see" how D&D saw the made the books more intelligible for me. Yes, the book's version is different. However, I could understand who was who and see the difference much better.
That's a common feeling when we read translated books from another culture.
One of the reasons that makes being a wallfacer unable to resign from it is that since you are expected to formulate ideas in your head and they can even seem wrong , illogical , incoprehensible , saying you dont want to be a wallfacer could easily be part of your strategy so they have to play along saying "yes sir", but you re still a wallfacer for them and for the enemy as well. Great reaction to series btw . PS: I would recommned to react to Silo and Severance , two greeat series well worth watching and reactiing to
Are wallfacers expected to freeze themselves?
@@agentseptember7185don't think that's been explicitly explained but I think it's implied. Because since they're the only ones that can formulate the plan, they have to either:
1) Be there and alive for when San Ti arrive, or;
2) Pass down the information somehow
So either freezing or a good way to pass the info without revealing anything
@@agentseptember7185 sorry havent read the books so i cant answer that.
Nate is more insightful than he knows! Can’t wait for season 2. Thank you so much for your reaction videos 🙏
Making your own pictographic language where only you know the meaning of the symbols, and if the symbols mean IDEAS and PLANS instead of letters, it would be impossible for Sophons to understand I hope. If the symbols were just corresponding to letters, it would be almost immediately decoded. If the symbols are ideas/concepts/plans, then Sophons would have no way to decode. But never teach the language to anyone, ever. The language is just for you, so you can keep your own thoughts organized, written on the wall you're facing.
I don't know if it is actually like that in the books, but I just finished the first book and about to start The Dark Forest. The Wallfacers can also use the collection of fairy tales and mix and match meanings that people but not Trisolarans could interpret but that seems risky.
I would order up a load of canvases and paint and start painting abstract stuff to just lead them on and waste their time.
@seraeggobutterworth5247 his point is still valid.
I don’t know why they had a cameo by that Bobek Ferdowski guy from JPL (I believe) who became a bit of micro-celeb during the Curiosity rover’s landing… good for him, tho
His voice is unique, which makes it a standout. I never knew who he was until people pointed him out.
I don't think it is such that they advance slower than we do, the linear vs exponential advancement, so much as, every time they enter a chaotic era, their civilization gets reset to the stone age. So while they, as a species, are probably millions of years older than us, their technology is less then 400 years ahead of us, not because they advance their tech slower, but rather they have been reset to the stone age over 1000 times. Also, the technology on the San-Ti transit ships are tech locked. The technology on the ships can not progress beyond what was available to the San-Ti at the date of their launch. And of course, their home planet could right now be in a chaotic era, or just coming out of one meaning the home planet is in a stone age. and will still be in the stone age when the San-Ti arrive.
I have a question. One of the scenes that really freaked me out was the scene of Will floating alone in a boat. So, is he just stuck alone in a horrible solitary limbo for millions of years, floating through the void of space?
His brain is no longer functional, so he will not experience time or anything whatsoever. Its as if he is dead.
@@agentseptember7185 I understand what you are saying, but the scene implies that he has some level of disembodied consciousness.
The way I interpreted this scene is that: It's up to interpretation regarding exactly where his consciousness is. Wether he'll be "experiencing" this setting throughout the whole time, I think may be intentionally unclear.
My current head canon is that since the cryo process just slows everything down 1000-fold, maybe this dream-setting is where he "paused", and he'll experience this state of consciousness 1000x slower while he's in transit. But being disconnected from his body might change this? Idk, but very interesting to speculate about
I interpreted as more of a symbolism. The boats Jin made that represented herself and Will stayed together at the end of episode 6, I saw Will floating off into the void as him moving on to the next chapter of life.
@@AUniqueName That’s an excellent answer! Did you read the book? I wonder if it has any more details, or if they also intentionally leave the outcome vague.
Ye Wenjie is playing chess with Santi. She challenged them at home, leaved some books as clue and talked jokes with Saul. If Santi takes action, like killing Ye and Saul, someone else could still figure it out from the clues. If they don’t do anything, Saul could figure it out.
The acceleration and deceleration of a proton would create heat trails visible to IR detectors anywhere that Sophonts were in motion. Of course, since the Santi have Clarke-Tech that rewrites all the common sense rules of physics and reality.
"Clarke-Tech." I like it. It takes an SF nerd to immediately grok it, but I like it.
they could fold a car into a proton pretty sure it would be easy to prevent some spark from the wheel of their car.
They can’t change the wallfacer plans too much because certain elements of the plans from the books might be needed by other wallfacer’s plans. I’m not worried about there being one less wallfacer because at least one of them is not really needed and too hard to show on screen. What I am worried about is I think Will’s probe needed to be going a bit faster before it failed. That was a strange choice by the writers. Why not, say, the tenth nuke?
Having a single line of the shroud come loose would not have affected the probe's trajectory until after the detonation of the following nuclear device because, between the detonations, the probe (and sail) are in "free-fall."
I kinda assumed just the very action of it coming apart produces enough friction and force to steer it off course
It's really the SLIGHTEST thing that could be off from the predictions/calculations that can affect its course exponentially. It's why the entire process itself is an absolutely incredible feat. Everything has to be incredibly exact
@@AUniqueName Still, even if the line had broken, the effect would be at the next explosion. I wish they had thought that part through a little better. It would still have been just as dramatic.
@@falxonPSNyou're assuming physics nerds such as yourself have the final say in the production of a fictional Netflix series
Are we sure Nora wasn’t the target? Maybe she was supposed to be the Wallfacer, and the Sophons succeeded just fine and are laughing their 11-dimensional asses off
It’s implied the park bench talk with Ye Winjie is what aroused their interest plus they attempted to kill Saul again after the 1st attack.
@@OilBaron i was joking. The park bench scene is doubly obvious if you’ve read the dark forest
The fable of the smart frog and the dumb frog, both trapped in a butter churn. Saul is the smart frog; Shi is the dumb frog. The singular advantage that insects have is rapid reproduction and thus unpredictable evolutionary mutation. The comparable advantage of humans is rapid scientific evolution...which also has unpredictable mutation. A lot of human technological innovations come out of the blue of individual conception, not the result of some continuous group effort...like a spurious mutation.
the San Ti didn't use the Sophons to hack the cars. The remaining ETO members did that. Maybe on the San Ti's behalf. So why would they have tried to kill him to begin with? It could've been that they knew he would become a Wallfacer before it was announced. So why would he be chosen as a Wallfacer? Because he spoke with Ye Wenjie at the graveyard. The joke that wasn't funny holds meaning. And I believe the meaning is that there is no meaning. Saul is a hedonist, he does things that aren't particularly useful. And I think the San Ti thinking he's useful when he isn't is the tactic. They will focus on him and waste their time.
But at the same time I do want to see Saul develop beyond hedonism and actually come up with a plan. I haven't read far into The Dark Forest yet so I don't know what actually happens.
Yep, I like how the showrunners intentionally misleading audiences (as if we are people in the show on Earth). hehehe... You have to read Dark Forest and Death's End as soon as possible, these 2 are actually more award worthy than Three-Body Problem.
San-Ti knows Ye told him something, but they couldn't decode human's jokes, so they decided to kill Saul. Then PDC knows that San-Ti wanted Saul to die (should be the only one who got San-Ti's attention so much), and therefore, they chose him to be the Wallfacer.
Good series! I can’t wait for the next season.
i wonder if Saul was attacked by the cars because he was chosen that morning by UN to be the wallfacer OR he was chosen to be the wallfacer because/after the cars attack?
Book-wise it’s the latter, he’s chosen because the San-Ti seem to want him dead, so he must be special
Watching this again I caught something I missed on the first viewing of your reaction.
You said the Sophon move near the speed of light and can circumvent the world in 8 seconds.
If it moves at almost lightspeed, it can actually go around the world EIGHT,(8), times in ONE,(1), second.
These numbers are an approximation so please don't demand my head on a plate for inaccuracy. 😰
37:53 would be interesting to see Deterrance Era being depicted accurately, but it will surely trigger a lot of people especially Westerner.
This tv show is a disaster. You should watch the Tencent Three Body version (Anniversary Edition, 26 chapters).
May i ask why they speak do much Chinese in the Tencent version
You talk through all the important dialogue. It’s honestly infuriating, I can’t subscribe to this channel.
Like so many others, this video is a true inspiration, thank you.
Great! It is very interesting to see your detailed reaction to the film Robocop 1987. This is a cool movie 🦾🤖🔥
Do you have any plans to do it?
We’ve both seen it already :)
Well I guess I'm reading these books because there's no freaking way I'm waiting to figure out what the actual hell is going on haha
Stop talking through the dialogue. You’ve read the books your friend hasn’t.
I am feeling good that nearly all the book readers on the internet keep the secret to themselves, because they know any spoiling for this story would deprive the joy as a first-time reader.
Yup, nice guy but he is too spoiley.
Let your friend come to his own conclusions, please.
Raj here is creepy, but buy now you can understand who he is in the books
So help me god if he's who/what I think he is..
Another great video guys. Sean did you hear people speculate that Saul's first line may end up being repeated as his last line?
My guess is they combined Frederick Tyler and Bill Hynes in hou bolin becaue Fredrick Tyler didn't really pay a huge impact on the story. I am Guessing they are going to give Leyla Aric rey diaz's story.
It's nice they are building for future of the show though. Will on his death bed is reading a book of fairy tales which of course is alluding to Yu tianming's stories. Also the paper boats, and Jin brining a fish in a bowl to Will as a gift were really cool little touches.
For some reason also the scenes where judgment day was being ripped up made me think of the scene in the book where the space station (forgot the name of it) was being destroyed by the dual vector foil
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The SanTi aren’t telepathic. They can’t lie when they communicate- that’s different. It could be their bodies use light as part of their communication and that would explain the human computer concept too.
Pouring libation
I assumed the capsule being knocked off course was intentional. Wade said he wanted to ensure the San-Ti go out of their way to pick it up. So why send it directly to them instead of causing a detour?
Interesting point....
In ep1, you talked about how we lived in a completely different world than what Ye experienced. Before watching this, I had watched reactions to Band of Brothers and Hacksaw Ridge, where they talked about people strongly feeling that serving was their duty, and that some felt it so strongly that they committed suicide when they were medically disqualified. Contrast that with the core group who frequently behaved with absolutely no concern for anything beyond themselves, even when confronted with the entire human race being destroyed. Choosing to let the entire species die rather than bear the guilt of causing and handful of deaths. Or, "No one asked me if I wanted this. I don't wanna play! I'm going home. WAH!" Even after knowing the stakes. Saul was an insufferably whiny little bitch thru most of this episode.
Staircase failing is much more in the tradition of actual space flight.
It also struck me that the women of the core group were the grownups, while the boys (wording intentional), were pretty immature.
*"It also struck me that the women of the core group were the grownups, while the boys (wording intentional), were pretty immature."*
That kind of sexist portrayal of males has been around in movies, ads, and tv series for decades now.. it's not going away any time soon.
So if San-ti wanted, they could wipe humanity out with those sophons. I guess they still need us for something.
It seems like Sophons can only do illusions
The show kind of implies they're more capable than they are in the books. The scene with Wade near the end - the flight turbulence was an illusion, same as Sophon appearing, but the show made it look like they were tampering with the plane, which they cannot do. The same with Shi not being able to see Jack getting murdered. I don't really disagree with these changes, the way sophon communication is done in the book is by writing a message into the retinas like the countdowns. The way the show does it much more dramatic since it's a realtime conversation between a human and Sophon rather than someone talking to themselves.
@@gosnooky I don't think hiding Jack getting murdered goes against anything in the books. We know the sophons can both be transparent and made to display images, so they could easy show an image of the empty apartment using an unfolded sophon.
They can hack cars anytime they want, why can't they hack airplanes and crash?
They could have gotten the spacecraft up to speed using gravity assist without the nukes. Voyager 1 is near 1% light speed but it took 50 years to do it. They could do it in less time because NASA didn't have their foot on the gas when they did the Voyager probe.
The Voyager probes travel at around 15km/s, that is 0.005% of the speed of light, and they relied on an orbital alignment for their gravity assist that only appears every 175 years
Lol..... stop lying on the internet
Voyager 1 is at 17km/s , that's 0.006% of light speed.
The Parker Solar Probe is the fastest man-made object right now , at 0.064% of light speed.
I love your bullshit.
Voyager is no where near lightspeed. Why do you keep repeating this?